Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's everything you would think it's you know,
Speaker 1: to one one of the one of the weird kind
Speaker 1: of transitions that we have to make emotionally is that
Speaker 1: like we're not underdogs anymore, you know, but for the
Speaker 1: last two weeks we still were. And yeah, dude, it
Speaker 1: was like fucking hoosiers. You know. It was just absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: It was just, uh, it was one of the it's
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime experience, and in fact, most
Speaker 1: people don't even get it once in a lifetime. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I was.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of tears and a lot of excitement,
Speaker 1: and and then Monday morning here at the factory, you know,
Speaker 1: we had all hands meeting. We got fifty seven of
Speaker 1: us now at work here and all of us, you know,
Speaker 1: got together and just just a release, just a full on,
Speaker 1: fucking just release of tension and emotion and like it's
Speaker 1: not just me man, like my my employees. Every single
Speaker 1: person in this building is like legitimately passionate about what
Speaker 1: they do, Like real deal fucking passionate, and they live
Speaker 1: and die by every the same way I do. It
Speaker 1: was incredible, you know, it was an incredible morning. We
Speaker 1: all get together about nine thirty in the morning, which
Speaker 1: was you know, they had actually that morning gotten in
Speaker 1: there at four am because our fucking ac is broken.
Speaker 1: Its one hundred degrees here, and uh so they got
Speaker 1: in early to you know, to work while it was
Speaker 1: still cooler, and and it was incredible. You know, we
Speaker 1: had this wonderful meeting and lots of hugging and high
Speaker 1: five and and screaming and hooting and hollering, and then
Speaker 1: we had to get back to work and the work work.
Speaker 1: Pert's pretty fucking hard.
Speaker 3: Lave all the fire. Nobody here is getting time. Welcome
Speaker 3: to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 4: There you have it. The end, as Sam Han articulated
Speaker 4: in that hook Lab, Golf is back to work, and
Speaker 4: in addition to Adam Scott, guys like Will's Alatorus been on, Camilla,
Speaker 4: Vijaygis and Grayson Murray are all using their putters now. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: Lucas Glover is number thirty five in what's left of
Speaker 4: the so called official world golf rankings. As we approach
Speaker 4: the Masters of twenty twenty four, Glover has slipped back
Speaker 4: to one hundred and sixty third in strokes gained putting
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteenth in putting average and one hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty ninth in putts per round. But he's not yipping,
Speaker 4: and no one can ever take away career wins number
Speaker 4: five and six. As I said in the first episode,
Speaker 4: I had no idea that the first call to Han
Speaker 4: in August of twenty twenty three would lead to an
Speaker 4: eight part now nine parts series on a putter company.
Speaker 4: But if you've been following along, it's a story that
Speaker 4: is so much more than just about a putter. For me,
Speaker 4: this was Sam Hans's story and Bill Pressey's story. It's
Speaker 4: a Bob Duncan, Matt Holme, Stuart Smith, Tim Wilkinson, Liam Bedford,
Speaker 4: Von Taylor, Jeff Slowman, Kelly Slater, Adam Scott, Brett Rumford,
Speaker 4: Mac Barnhart, Michael Simms, Jason Kuhn, and of course Lucas
Speaker 4: Glover story. As with all of my podcasts, at the end,
Speaker 4: I like to get reflections from the protagonist, share some
Speaker 4: of the best comments and quotes that didn't make the
Speaker 4: main narrative, which is what I'm going to do in
Speaker 4: this episode. But before we get to more thoughts on
Speaker 4: Glover the Putter, the idea of letting go of control
Speaker 4: to gain control one hundred foot waves in Ireland and
Speaker 4: final comments from a Navy seal. Another thank you to
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Speaker 4: your next purchase of a headcover, putter, cover, duffel bag
Speaker 4: and more on Lucas Glover's accomplishments of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: Here's a final reflection from Jeff Slowman. For a guy
Speaker 4: like that who's been grinding so hard or hits it
Speaker 4: so good, and to keep your card for that long
Speaker 4: and put that bad, that's a small miracle in itself.
Speaker 4: I think everybody felt good for him.
Speaker 5: As a professional golfer, and especially people that know Lucas.
Speaker 5: We didn't feel good about it. We felt great for him,
Speaker 5: you know. And if you've ever had some trials and
Speaker 5: tribulations with the putter, which almost to a man, every
Speaker 5: professional golfers gone through, whether it's for a week, a month,
Speaker 5: a year, or decades. You know, that's this feeling of
Speaker 5: hope you can come back and put like a kid,
Speaker 5: you know, because I don't think kids ever ten years old,
Speaker 5: fifteen twenty, you know, eight year olds, they're just they
Speaker 5: don't care about the consequences of a miss because they're.
Speaker 6: Going to make the next one right.
Speaker 5: And I think every psychologist would tell you put like
Speaker 5: a kid with no cares in the world and nothing
Speaker 5: about the miss. It's going to bother you. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it brought hope to every professional golfer, and
Speaker 5: I thought that was great.
Speaker 4: Here's von Taylor.
Speaker 7: When you see a guy like Lucas Glover and you
Speaker 7: know what he's gone through and then to go back
Speaker 7: to back wins like that out of like virtually nowhere.
Speaker 7: What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 8: I mean, that's kind of like what I was hoping
Speaker 8: to happen to Reno, that it was going to like
Speaker 8: blow up into this thing. And that's kind of like
Speaker 8: that that dream we have, and that's why you never
Speaker 8: quit because you always hope something's going to click. And
Speaker 8: and the putters, obviously, I mean, the most important club
Speaker 8: in the bag I believe in and Lucas that's all,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 9: I look, his whole.
Speaker 2: Game looks great.
Speaker 8: I mean, he looks like he's swinging well too, but
Speaker 8: you know, he just needed something like that to click
Speaker 8: for him. And you know, kudos for him to try
Speaker 8: so many different things. And I didn't realize it was
Speaker 8: so bad. I just I hadn't seen some of those
Speaker 8: videos of him, and you know those are those are tough,
Speaker 8: Like I've never seen anyone strike one out of the
Speaker 8: heel that far on that short one at on eighteen.
Speaker 8: I just was like, wow, I didn't know it was
Speaker 8: that bad. But you know, the more I've read about it,
Speaker 8: it sounds, you know, it was a lot of mental
Speaker 8: stuff going on, but to also break down those barriers
Speaker 8: with you know, a different style putter, and then to
Speaker 8: be a playoff event. But it wasn't like it was
Speaker 8: just back to back regular weeks. I mean that was
Speaker 8: and he led the whole entire way and the cameras
Speaker 8: are on him just for eight days straight or something.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just like and just to see him
Speaker 8: continuously roll it well and just it's pretty cool to
Speaker 8: see the transformation just all the way around. But mentally
Speaker 8: that's got to be you know, I can't imagine what
Speaker 8: he feels like inside. You know, it's just what you
Speaker 8: dream of to break through and clear some hurls.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 10: And Lucas Glover, I don't know a ton about the
Speaker 10: lab technology because I didn't want to because I tried
Speaker 10: to use technology to beat it also, and so I've
Speaker 10: kind of shied away from I mean, I just found
Speaker 10: out what the lie was a couple or the loft
Speaker 10: was a couple of weeks back. Uh, I just I
Speaker 10: didn't want to know. I didn't want to know too much.
Speaker 10: I didn't want to any of that to clog up
Speaker 10: anything that was working. So I kind of ran away
Speaker 10: from the tech stuff. But understanding that it works is
Speaker 10: enough for me. And you know, obviously i'm pretty much
Speaker 10: or pretty pretty good proof that it does.
Speaker 4: Glover's friend and manager Mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 6: You can depend on Lucas being Lucas, and that's a
Speaker 6: wonderful thing in this world, as you know, so good
Speaker 6: or bad or ugly like it's uh, you can depend
Speaker 6: on him and that's and that's what's made it fun.
Speaker 6: But you know, I like, I say, he he deserves this.
Speaker 6: He's a fighter, man, I mean he's and look we're
Speaker 6: I don't like I say. People are like, what can
Speaker 6: he do? I think he can win the Grand Slam.
Speaker 6: He's never putted great. He can putt grat and he's
Speaker 6: got a team around him. Now we know that works.
Speaker 6: We know we got I mean, people go, you can't
Speaker 6: say that he's this age. I might told me he
Speaker 6: could have done what he did, and I know this gap.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, he's not scared. I know he's been
Speaker 6: in the gym almost every day since he's gotten home.
Speaker 6: I thought to Kobe about his workouts. His workouts are
Speaker 6: going good. He's yeah, he went to New York from
Speaker 6: fashion Week. Let him have a week off. That's great,
Speaker 6: you know, but he's back in the gym. I mean
Speaker 6: he's back. I mean maybe not getting picked for the
Speaker 6: Ryder Cup might add just a little more incentive. And
Speaker 6: that's fine too. We'll take that right.
Speaker 4: Back to Matt Home, one of the original salesmen of
Speaker 4: the Directed Force design, on the business impact of clovers
Speaker 4: back to backs, Sam said that from January to July
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, they had sold about one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty Broom you know, Broom Labs. Right after Lucas
Speaker 4: wins back to back they sold like two thousand, six
Speaker 4: hundred in one month.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I could see that for sure. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 11: when it's validated. When it's validated by it, you know,
Speaker 11: people people want to see it, they want to see
Speaker 11: what they're using. And it's got a different story. It's
Speaker 11: not like just different colors or weights. There's a complete
Speaker 11: different set of principles being used. And that's pretty impressive
Speaker 11: to be able to patent a mathematical formula. And Bill
Speaker 11: got that done. But he has the patent for I've
Speaker 11: seen it. And if anybody else makes a putter that
Speaker 11: does what this putter does, they're in a hear from
Speaker 11: Bill's lawyers, I'm sure, and in Sam's So it does.
Speaker 11: It's an amazing it's an amazing It's going to be
Speaker 11: in the golf House someday. I mean think some of
Speaker 11: the original stuff it will be in the It'll be
Speaker 11: that kind of a historic thing.
Speaker 4: I wanted to revisit and share a few of the
Speaker 4: perspectives on the idea of quote letting go of control
Speaker 4: to gain control or take control, which again started with
Speaker 4: Brett Rumford, the Australian short game guru. Here's Sam Hun.
Speaker 1: You know, like my tagline is like you know you've
Speaker 1: in the past you have to keep a face square
Speaker 1: and with us, all you have to do is let
Speaker 1: a face stay square. And his whole thing is you
Speaker 1: have to let go of control to gain control. That's
Speaker 1: how he describes, you know, what the what the feeling is,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the high level pros the feedback
Speaker 1: we get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling,
Speaker 1: you know, in along kind of similar to what we
Speaker 1: talked about before about you know, just kind of how
Speaker 1: the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's when
Speaker 1: you know you're doing it right. When it kind of
Speaker 1: feels vague and free, that's when you know the putter's
Speaker 1: face is squared up to the plane that you're putting
Speaker 1: it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's when
Speaker 1: you know you're off.
Speaker 4: Here's Brett Rumford.
Speaker 12: And for me, it's it's all about with the lad product,
Speaker 12: it's all about for me, it's like giving up control
Speaker 12: to take control and I think so many people, you know,
Speaker 12: whether it's a personality or otherwise, try to, you know,
Speaker 12: control the face, control of the stroke, and they get
Speaker 12: so caught up in the stroke and the plane and everything.
Speaker 7: Else, which is all good and well, you do your work, but.
Speaker 12: And you know, the holy grail is having it perfectly
Speaker 12: art and have your face to path and all the
Speaker 12: rest of it. But there's got to be a point
Speaker 12: where you just got to go play, and you just
Speaker 12: got to go. You just got to get just give
Speaker 12: up all the controlling element and you just got to just.
Speaker 3: Let it go.
Speaker 4: Rumford was not only one of the hardest guys to
Speaker 4: track down for this series, he was also well worth
Speaker 4: the weight and one of my favorite voices in this story,
Speaker 4: not only his walking analogy.
Speaker 12: Mastery comes down to mastering the movement and then everything
Speaker 12: switches off, so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've
Speaker 12: mastered the art of walking. Yes, So if I were
Speaker 12: to ask you, what do you activate in your legs
Speaker 12: when you walk? Truthfully, just walk, anyone, just got it
Speaker 12: out of your couch, whoever's listening to this right now,
Speaker 12: and just walk and walk a little bit faster when
Speaker 12: I say that, and walk a little bit faster again,
Speaker 12: and tell me what's being activated. You couldn't tell me.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't know, But especially as it related to that
Speaker 4: idea of letting go of can and as he put it,
Speaker 4: to take control the essence of the lie angle and
Speaker 4: balanced technology. And I loved the story. Rumford shared about
Speaker 4: the experience he had when he had to make a
Speaker 4: tricky putt to win a tournament with the lab putter.
Speaker 4: As he described it his quote, light bulb moment.
Speaker 12: All I can remember was when I hit it, I
Speaker 12: just went, my god, that was the best part I
Speaker 12: think I've ever hit. But I think it was more
Speaker 12: the sense of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion
Speaker 12: that really connected me to this stroking his part.
Speaker 13: But it was just amazing.
Speaker 12: In that situation where normally you might feel a little
Speaker 12: bit of the tension or a little bit of the
Speaker 12: grab or a little bit of that after the hit,
Speaker 12: you feel like that little bit of the acceleration or
Speaker 12: that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but it's it
Speaker 12: is what it is. It's just nerves and the rest.
Speaker 12: But this thing just flowed and it just went off
Speaker 12: in my hands, and I just looked up and I
Speaker 12: just went, Wow, that's got to be the purest part
Speaker 12: I think I've ever hit. Subsequently, subsequently it went in.
Speaker 12: But irrespective of that, I just find, I mean that
Speaker 12: that feeling and memory will last with me for a
Speaker 12: long while, because I'd say to Sam, if I had
Speaker 12: have had this technology, maybe when I first turn pro
Speaker 12: who knows how many order one, maybe with the broomstick,
Speaker 12: A part of very well with the broomstick. But yeah, look,
Speaker 12: it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's pretty cool and
Speaker 12: you just got to experience it, but you sort of
Speaker 12: you have to give it some time too, because so
Speaker 12: many people don't like the feeling of no control. They
Speaker 12: don't like the feeling of like giving up, that feeling
Speaker 12: of where the face is or the awareness of it.
Speaker 12: And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything
Speaker 12: just switches off through here rather than trying to feel
Speaker 12: this tension. I just love the flow of it. And
Speaker 12: you get into the flow after a while, but it
Speaker 12: takes time.
Speaker 4: And then Bill Pressey on Rumford's summary of how to
Speaker 4: utilize the technology.
Speaker 14: I think people let go of their fears. The hardest
Speaker 14: thing that even though you like it's a fear. You
Speaker 14: think it would be easy to let go of, right,
Speaker 14: but fear in golf is the hardest thing by far.
Speaker 14: This car tissue in and and the memories that that
Speaker 14: that exist in lurking your subconscience somewhere during that backstroke,
Speaker 14: they tend to open the door, and that is the
Speaker 14: the fear there's You know what fear comes from, I'll
Speaker 14: tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing
Speaker 14: You know what you miss is torque and unless you
Speaker 14: practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know
Speaker 14: this particular golf club just like a good driver or
Speaker 14: like a good wedge that you have, you know it.
Speaker 13: You know what it's gonna do.
Speaker 15: But when you take away the torque, you could take
Speaker 15: away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know,
Speaker 15: if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you
Speaker 15: made a poor stroke, it wasn't the yips though the
Speaker 15: yips is, there's no bigger fear.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of great conversations with Bill Pressey.
Speaker 4: After our original interview, he has been listening to the
Speaker 4: podcast as he rides his bike, much like a lot
Speaker 4: of his close friends. I love that he's getting the
Speaker 4: attention and credit that he and his revealer deserves. Stuart
Speaker 4: Smith is one of those friends, first on letting go
Speaker 4: of control to gain control, and then on Bill Pressey's
Speaker 4: back nine of life.
Speaker 16: That's saying resonates pretty strong in golf anyway, but probably
Speaker 16: even more so with this putter. When you put this
Speaker 16: putter in their revealer and you see that that putter
Speaker 16: isn't going to move when it when you swing it on,
Speaker 16: it's playing it just it doesn't budget. It's amazing.
Speaker 7: What a story, you know, literally from rags to what
Speaker 7: would be aimed Riches right, uh, from you know, from
Speaker 7: out of his trunk of his car to now being
Speaker 7: able to kind of you know, take a breath and
Speaker 7: and think about what's next, and you know, think about
Speaker 7: what's next in life and keep this positive, you know,
Speaker 7: path to a back nine that looks like it's going
Speaker 7: to be a lot more a lot more fun than
Speaker 7: maybe the front nine of his life. Would you would
Speaker 7: you would you agree with all that?
Speaker 16: I would concur Yeah, he's you know when you see
Speaker 16: him now, I mean he's he's happy. You can tell
Speaker 16: he's happy within himself, and I know he's finally overcome
Speaker 16: a lot of some of the struggles that he's had,
Speaker 16: But you know, the one thing that he's never lost
Speaker 16: is the is the passion for learning, the passion for
Speaker 16: his self belief and his product. Maybe he's had to
Speaker 16: overcome some self belief in himself, but certainly just the
Speaker 16: self to be validated in the golf world like he
Speaker 16: has now with with lyingle balance is a pretty amazing accomplishment,
Speaker 16: and I think he's maybe finally recognizing the impact that
Speaker 16: he has created through no one else, through everyone else's
Speaker 16: disbelief early right, people are finally now starting to believe him.
Speaker 16: You wonder why a face balance putter is so great?
Speaker 16: I said, I still wonder myself. You know, we still
Speaker 16: wonder why was face balanced such a big thing? Lyingle
Speaker 16: balance is just it's the it's the next step.
Speaker 4: Another guy I enjoyed getting to know was Liam Bedford,
Speaker 4: the guy who built Glover's original lab putter.
Speaker 17: The physics of the putter is trying to stay square.
Speaker 17: If you put the putter in motion and it's trying
Speaker 17: to square it square itself. So if you the way
Speaker 17: the only way that you can manipulate the putter is
Speaker 17: with type grip pressure and your hands are the only
Speaker 17: things that can move the putter, so you can either
Speaker 17: open the face or close the face with your hands.
Speaker 17: If you don't do that with your hands, the ball
Speaker 17: will start on the starting line. So if you give
Speaker 17: up control by taking loose grip pressure and just allowing
Speaker 17: the product to do what it's doing, the ball will
Speaker 17: start on its starting line. And so if you can
Speaker 17: find your speed with super light grip pressure and just
Speaker 17: let the potter swing like, you will start it on
Speaker 17: your starting line. And if you have a good speed,
Speaker 17: you're giving yourself a better chance. The people that we
Speaker 17: have a hard time with the guys that typically death
Speaker 17: grip it and then want to hit putts and like
Speaker 17: guide putts in because they're managing talk. The reason they
Speaker 17: have type grip pressure is because the potter wants to
Speaker 17: twist in their face because of the way the weight is
Speaker 17: in the potu. So they for a guy with a blade,
Speaker 17: the blade's trying to do this on the way on
Speaker 17: the way back, and then this on the way through.
Speaker 17: So the guys typically are holding it off and then
Speaker 17: trying to hit little draw parts on the way through.
Speaker 17: With our stuff, you don't need to. You can just
Speaker 17: literally get there and just make a stroke and the
Speaker 17: face is going to stay square to the arc.
Speaker 4: Again. I've known Mac Barnhardt for over thirty years. He
Speaker 4: has always been a spiritual guy.
Speaker 7: Let go of control to gain control, as it relates
Speaker 7: to both putting in life. Would do you subscribe to that?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's why I say, I I mean,
Speaker 6: like you don't. I didn't know as much about the
Speaker 6: technology as I probably should have until Lucas got it.
Speaker 6: And then I started researching and calling people and you know,
Speaker 6: already Cunningham on tours kind of my go to tech guy,
Speaker 6: and you know, just get ideas from people about this putter,
Speaker 6: you know, after Luke. I mean I wasn't but it
Speaker 6: didn't matter what I thought about it anyhow. Lucas wanted it.
Speaker 6: He's getting it. But then you start reading about it,
Speaker 6: and you're like, man, that's that's different stuff, right, you know,
Speaker 6: that's a lot further along than Carston did with with
Speaker 6: the answer, right, I mean, I think, and it makes sense, right,
Speaker 6: I mean, we we've come as we went up in
Speaker 6: technology so much and all the other equipment, the gop balls,
Speaker 6: the drivers, right and the shafts, even there hasn't been
Speaker 6: a I mean, there's different pretty putters, but there hasn't
Speaker 6: been a lot of technology change in the putting look
Speaker 6: at it. So that was kind of interesting. And obviously
Speaker 6: they must work. I think they're selling a lot of
Speaker 6: them right now. If they're not, they're they're in trouble.
Speaker 4: Adam Beach of My Golf Spy on the same subject, right.
Speaker 18: It goes back to what I was saying. With those
Speaker 18: other putters, you have to you have to do some
Speaker 18: work with those, whereas this you don't have to. So
Speaker 18: we've been trained to not let go, to hold on
Speaker 18: to you know, you watch people putt and they're like, oh,
Speaker 18: you know, they're like trying to hold on and.
Speaker 9: Keep their face square, And I agree with that.
Speaker 18: You got to let go to not only in life,
Speaker 18: but with putting to have it work real well.
Speaker 4: And no one is more spiritual than Glover's friend Michael Simms.
Speaker 4: His laughs were some of my favorite moments from this series.
Speaker 13: That's a life lesson.
Speaker 19: Times when we're holding on too tight, you know, things
Speaker 19: don't go the way that they should. But the second
Speaker 19: we let go things start to flow. It just all happened.
Speaker 19: It all happened right when I was supposed to is.
Speaker 19: Mac always said to me, I'll never forget this. On
Speaker 19: a pudding green in two thousand and seven, I made
Speaker 19: a comment about something and he looked at me and
Speaker 19: he goes, Michael, You're always right where you need to be, Bud.
Speaker 13: And it may not be comfortable sometimes, and it may
Speaker 13: not be where you want to be, but you're always
Speaker 13: right where you need to be. And we don't know
Speaker 13: why you just are. That's all right, fucking right.
Speaker 4: I certainly enjoyed talking golf in life with Adam Scott,
Speaker 4: forever one of my favorites to watch and root for.
Speaker 4: Here he is on letting go of control to gain control.
Speaker 4: Does that ring true to you? Is that something that
Speaker 4: makes sense to you?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 20: I think absolutely it does. I think you know, I
Speaker 20: try and do that with my entire game. But we're
Speaker 20: we're so professional in a sense. We think of everything
Speaker 20: all the time. We're trying to be so good at
Speaker 20: every little part of it. And when it comes to
Speaker 20: performing and shooting the lower score, you know, you want
Speaker 20: to have all the stuff under control that you've thought
Speaker 20: about and then forget it and just and execute and
Speaker 20: just play and just let go. And that's what I'm
Speaker 20: trying to do generally, so I think I think that
Speaker 20: does ring true. I probably didn't have the internal fights
Speaker 20: that Rummy had in his head with the putter. I
Speaker 20: was just like, Yeah, this swing's really good. Yeah, this
Speaker 20: is getting a consistent role. I don't need to find
Speaker 20: necessarily fault with it. How about I just use this
Speaker 20: thing and make more putts. And I was enjoying that
Speaker 20: end of it. And I've really enjoyed the relationship with
Speaker 20: Sam and his team and being able to give him
Speaker 20: feedback and then being receptive to that feedback, and in
Speaker 20: developing the mez and the mes Max and you know,
Speaker 20: getting to a place where I feel like I'm putting
Speaker 20: with as good a putter as I can put with.
Speaker 4: It's possible none of this becomes such an incredible story
Speaker 4: if it wasn't for Tim Wilkinson being an early adopter
Speaker 4: and getting the number of starts Han needed to get
Speaker 4: the credential that got him inside the ropes and on
Speaker 4: the practice putting greens of tour events. Here's Wilkinson on
Speaker 4: the same subject.
Speaker 21: You know, putting, you always, I mean, when you're putting poorly,
Speaker 21: you're always trying to control the stroke as much as
Speaker 21: you can, and the strike and speed and rather than
Speaker 21: being more athletic and yeah, just letting your instincts take over.
Speaker 21: And I think that Potter, with the technology that it has,
Speaker 21: can allow you to do that for sure.
Speaker 4: And then there's Kelly Slater, not only one of the
Speaker 4: greatest athletes of my generation again eleven world championships in surfing,
Speaker 4: which is mind boggling to anyone who knows anything about
Speaker 4: surfing and sports in general. Here he is on letting
Speaker 4: go of control to gain control.
Speaker 9: It makes sense because, like I was saying, the revealer
Speaker 9: reveals all. And when you see somebody take If somebody
Speaker 9: puts your favorite putter in there you've had forever and
Speaker 9: the toe starts flipping around and it you know, it
Speaker 9: doesn't hit square. You realize that you have to try
Speaker 9: and control your putter to make it work, as opposed
Speaker 9: to letting it just do its job and you're just
Speaker 9: along for the ride. Putting's so freaking hard already. Why
Speaker 9: make it any harder? You want something that's just gonna
Speaker 9: make it easier and easier. I'm surprised maybe the rnals
Speaker 9: try to outlaw it. You know, it's the new Sam's
Speaker 9: need putting between your feet.
Speaker 4: It't be that easy. We have to insist it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we're gonna roll back. It's gotta be way harder.
Speaker 9: You've had no three putts in three rounds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're rolling back the ball. We're outlying good putters.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's that's when I heard you were involved, or that
Speaker 4: you you had an impact. You know. He talks about
Speaker 4: all these magic moments that have happened, and you using
Speaker 4: it is one of the magic moments, which then leads
Speaker 4: to Adam, which then leads to Lucas, which is how
Speaker 4: this whole chain of like good vibes happens that leads
Speaker 4: to where they are now.
Speaker 7: So it's kind of a.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's cool. I'm I feel fortunate to to you know,
Speaker 9: be in there and and and be friends with these
Speaker 9: guys because I'm you know, I'm a golf fan. Obviously.
Speaker 9: I love the game. I love the history, I love
Speaker 9: the I love watching I love seeing the competition. It's
Speaker 9: in my blood. And and you know.
Speaker 10: Two.
Speaker 9: Be some part of that story is really fun. And
Speaker 9: same thing. I was playing with Charles Howl in Florida
Speaker 9: and Charles saw me strike stroking the ball and he's like, oh,
Speaker 9: you know they had mentioned it to me or contact me.
Speaker 9: He's like, think I'm gonna check that out again.
Speaker 22: I think he's I think it's in his back now,
Speaker 22: not sure, but last year it was, so I mean,
Speaker 22: it's fun, it's it's it's a really it's those are
Speaker 22: good memories, cherished memories for me in my golf life.
Speaker 4: You know, it's really cool. Well, thank you for taking
Speaker 4: the time to do this. I I've talked to Chewie.
Speaker 4: I've mentioned it to him. I'll just mention it to
Speaker 4: you now. But the twenty two the pipeline story, the
Speaker 4: buzzer beater is a story that I would love to
Speaker 4: try and tell, not only through your words, but with
Speaker 4: all the observers and all the people that were a
Speaker 4: part of that, almost like as a cherry on what's
Speaker 4: been your your just like insane career, but like I
Speaker 4: would love to tell a story about that. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm you know, I know just enough about surfing
Speaker 4: with my family and the involvement in Hawaii and the surfing.
Speaker 4: But someday I may come back to you and try
Speaker 4: to see if I can pin you down on telling
Speaker 4: that story.
Speaker 9: So yeah, that'd be awesome. I was in I was
Speaker 9: in Namibia last week about a week and a half
Speaker 9: ag surfing, and there was just an incredible swell that
Speaker 9: everyone around the world heard about. So about one hundred
Speaker 9: and fifty people probably flew to this place to go surf.
Speaker 9: And I'm walking up the beach, so it's about it's
Speaker 9: about a mile long point break, so you got to
Speaker 9: rock you surf about a mile down. You walk back
Speaker 9: up and the wind's blown about twenty thirty miles an hour,
Speaker 9: and you got to walk against the wind, and the
Speaker 9: sand is like almost like quicksand there the way that
Speaker 9: you just kind of sink in the sand. So it's
Speaker 9: I mean walking that thing. Everyone's walking between sort of
Speaker 9: five times and twelve fifty twelve fifteen times a day
Speaker 9: if you're really like in good shape, and the amount
Speaker 9: of energy it us is just crazy. It's just you're
Speaker 9: so beat afterwards. But anyways, I'm walking back up the beach.
Speaker 9: At one point I'm walking next to the sky and
Speaker 9: we get the chat and he's he's Australian, and uh,
Speaker 9: he goes, hey, man, I got to confess something to you.
Speaker 9: We're just about to put we're putting our leashes and
Speaker 9: we're about to jump back in the water. He goes,
Speaker 9: I got to confess something to you. When you won pipeline,
Speaker 9: I started crying. Man, and and uh, he goes, I've
Speaker 9: never met you, he goes. But I'm about the same
Speaker 9: age and just meant so much to me. And I've
Speaker 9: heard that from so many people like it felt really
Speaker 9: special to a lot of people. And that's, you know,
Speaker 9: another reason why it was the best win of my career.
Speaker 9: And you know, there's a pretty good chance it will
Speaker 9: be my last win. And it's at my favorite event,
Speaker 9: and you know the place I as a kid I
Speaker 9: dreamt of doing well at and even just being able
Speaker 9: to surf and not be scared.
Speaker 4: Well, Kelly, thanks for this. Enjoy your Friday play well.
Speaker 4: Headed up to the goat with the little guy and
Speaker 4: meeting up with with Simsey and Ashy and uh and
Speaker 4: I'm sure I'll see up there at some point soon.
Speaker 9: Yeah, stay high to ash for me. And I'm just
Speaker 9: at the I'm in that traffic right before Ocean side
Speaker 9: heading south.
Speaker 4: Oh brutal, that's brutal, brutal.
Speaker 9: Lay traffic, dude, this thing is brutal.
Speaker 4: Here, No, I know, I'm dreading it, but but I
Speaker 4: got to get up there. I got to hit some balls.
Speaker 4: We got monthly Metal tomorrow, so I got to make
Speaker 4: sure I'm ready for for tomight. I just came back
Speaker 4: from thirty nice Ireland. Thirty days in Ireland, which is
Speaker 4: by the way. They get some big ass swells out there.
Speaker 4: Have you ever surfed the Ireland swell?
Speaker 9: And I've been there once, but it wasn't giant. It
Speaker 9: was just nice and clean. But Mulligmore on the West
Speaker 9: Coast is as big and intense as any wave in
Speaker 9: the world. It's a friend of mine. A friend of
Speaker 9: mine was up there about a decade ago, just chasing waves,
Speaker 9: a big wave guy, and he showed me, well, he
Speaker 9: did an article and surf his journal and showed me
Speaker 9: a couple of pictures himself. But he said it was
Speaker 9: the biggest he's ever seen. And he's surfed all the
Speaker 9: biggest waves around the world, and he said it was
Speaker 9: by far the biggest ways he'd ever seen. He was
Speaker 9: sure it was one hundred feet plus and judging by
Speaker 9: he had pictures this wave that it's a big right
Speaker 9: on an outer reef and normally it kind of just
Speaker 9: feathers and it can only be let's say it's like
Speaker 9: fifty sixty feet on a big day. And he said,
Speaker 9: just in comparison, this day was breaking top to bottom
Speaker 9: barrels outside of where he normally sees it break at
Speaker 9: like sixty feet. And so the depth of water and
Speaker 9: the intensity in the ocean, like the amount of energy
Speaker 9: they were seeing, he said, like nothing he's ever seen
Speaker 9: like you get you know, you're get in a situation
Speaker 9: out there, you're never gonna get found. But he just
Speaker 9: said a one hundred foot waves are out there for sure.
Speaker 9: I saw him.
Speaker 4: If interested, there's a cool little digital short called Cold
Speaker 4: Comforts in which Peter Klein talks to Conor Maguire about
Speaker 4: surfing the biggest waves of Ireland at Maligmore, which is
Speaker 4: in County Sligo, only twenty five minutes from the County
Speaker 4: Slago Golf Club. Ross's point, I couldn't help myself. Here's
Speaker 4: a short clip of Maguire on surfing those waves.
Speaker 23: I guess what's so unique about Ireland as it's the
Speaker 23: island itself is made up of rock formations that are
Speaker 23: millions of years old, and that's kind of what makes
Speaker 23: our slabs and our other points and reefs so perfect
Speaker 23: and amazing on their day. Also, our dramatic weather that's
Speaker 23: carved the coastline and on different setups is just yeah,
Speaker 23: it really adds to it and it makes it all
Speaker 23: the more dramatic. And when the light does come out,
Speaker 23: it's always ethereal and a bit magic. And yet there's
Speaker 23: a lot of different things that make Ireland so special.
Speaker 4: On the subject of overcoming fears, we'll wrap all of
Speaker 4: this with Jason Kuhne, the former Navy seal sniper who
Speaker 4: helped guide Glover into overcoming the yips and back into
Speaker 4: the winter circle.
Speaker 7: Are you still working with Lucas per Se or I mean,
Speaker 7: are you guys still sort of having.
Speaker 1: Off and on.
Speaker 24: It's just more like kind of check in and guidance
Speaker 24: here and there when he feels appropriate. All of the
Speaker 24: information that I have to deliver to him has been delivered.
Speaker 24: So when I work with players, we record the meetings
Speaker 24: and they're uploaded to a folder for them to go
Speaker 24: back and review and.
Speaker 2: Keep and the idea behind that.
Speaker 24: That's another thing with sports psychology as well as one
Speaker 24: of my frustrations is I'm here to train them from
Speaker 24: point A to point B. Okay, to a point where
Speaker 24: they don't need me anymore. That's the idea behind it,
Speaker 24: and then just passed me off to someone else if
Speaker 24: they need me around forever.
Speaker 2: In terms of.
Speaker 24: You know, just just all that not now some of them, yeah, hey,
Speaker 24: it would never hurt to have a performance coach around
Speaker 24: providing guidance and whatever else. Okay, But in terms of
Speaker 24: learning what they need to learn and being able to
Speaker 24: apply it on the field, if they need me around forever,
Speaker 24: then I'm not doing my job properly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 24: If a corporate group hires me on retainer to consult
Speaker 24: for them and teach human performance to their people, and
Speaker 24: they got to keep me around forever, then I'm not
Speaker 24: getting that information delivered and effectively apply for them. I'm
Speaker 24: not doing my job properly. So that's the idea behind it.
Speaker 24: Is to take a player from point A to point
Speaker 24: B to the point where they don't really need me anymore.
Speaker 24: And I think that's pretty much where he's at.
Speaker 7: I'm going to go through that wall you're sitting in
Speaker 7: front of right now.
Speaker 24: Yeah, that's that's what we do. This is the world
Speaker 24: I live in. And you know, for athletes that may
Speaker 24: be listening, you know, we're still breaking in into the game.
Speaker 24: I've got my colleague Sean Kanagi, who is my mentor
Speaker 24: in the Sealed Team's twenty three years in, one of
Speaker 24: the most respected special operators in the community, and we
Speaker 24: are breaking this down. So there's Stonewall Solutions, there's yipsfree
Speaker 24: dot Com, and then Shawn and I are run in
Speaker 24: Parabellum Performance dot Com and it's you know, we're not
Speaker 24: going to take everyone. It's going to be exclusive for
Speaker 24: serious people who seriously want to win and train them
Speaker 24: up and you know, from there, perhaps start bringing in
Speaker 24: more highly experienced operators to learn the curriculum and develop it.
Speaker 24: With these guys both their education and application. We're going
Speaker 24: to take them to the golf cour and we're going
Speaker 24: to do things that are very untraditional and unorthodox. We're
Speaker 24: gonna we're going to simulate the environment of chaos as
Speaker 24: much as we possibly can to where golfing in a
Speaker 24: match should seem simple and easy train like you fight,
Speaker 24: as well as other times where it's just nice and
Speaker 24: easy learning the material. And that's that's what we want
Speaker 24: to do. We want to take this to the next level,
Speaker 24: you know one because we enjoy it and we understand it.
Speaker 24: But to get these athletes what they deserve in terms
Speaker 24: of this, because I'm tired of seeing I had. It's
Speaker 24: not my words, but a pro golfer sat down with
Speaker 24: me a couple of weeks ago and he was telling
Speaker 24: me about his experiences and working with sports psychology, and
Speaker 24: he said, Man, what I've experienced so far and the
Speaker 24: money I've spent on it should be considered malpractice. And
Speaker 24: I'm just tired of hearing stories like that. Let's get
Speaker 24: these guys what they need with people who know what
Speaker 24: they're doing and who have applied the skills they're asking
Speaker 24: others to apply and just win everything.
Speaker 7: You know, what would it cost me to have you
Speaker 7: just sort to follow me around every day and just
Speaker 7: be like my security guard. You could be my mental coach,
Speaker 7: my life coach. You can help me like just overcome
Speaker 7: anything and everything. What what does that?
Speaker 4: What does that cause? Just be seven days a week?
Speaker 24: Yeah, well, you know we're not we're not super cheap,
Speaker 24: but we're very effective at what we do. And I
Speaker 24: think that the results people get through what we provide
Speaker 24: to them, they end up coming out on exponentially on top.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 24: So, uh, yeah, we can we can certainly talk about
Speaker 24: that for sure.
Speaker 7: Well, you've you've certainly helped me in this process of
Speaker 7: telling what I think is a very compelling story that
Speaker 7: goes you know, and and it's beyond Lucas, but it certainly.
Speaker 4: Culminates with Lucas as it relates to this, this narrative
Speaker 4: and you taking the time and sharing all this with me.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to say thank you, thank you for
Speaker 4: your service, thank you for all that you've done for
Speaker 4: our country and for us and our you know, our
Speaker 4: our peace and safety, but also you know, what you're
Speaker 4: continuing to do to help these people. It's really really
Speaker 4: it's really powerful stuff.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 7: Pleasure meeting you, and I hope to actually get to
Speaker 7: shake your hands someday.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's.
Speaker 24: Great to meet you as well. I'm going to start
Speaker 24: getting around to some of those golf courses and you know,
Speaker 24: meeting some folks and learning the game better. Probably start
Speaker 24: playing some golf. I've got some assets now to help,
Speaker 24: you know, some of the best in the world that
Speaker 24: teach me how to play, so I should probably take
Speaker 24: advantage of that. But now the good folks out there,
Speaker 24: like yourself and those telling them the story and allowing
Speaker 24: me to have a platform to get this information out.
Speaker 24: There will no doubt get to some athletes that whose
Speaker 24: careers will be saved and or enhanced through it through
Speaker 24: their efforts, not mine, but in contribute, you know, in
Speaker 24: the contributions that I make. And so thank you as well.
Speaker 7: Thank you Jason, Thanks, enjoy the rest of your weekend
Speaker 7: and and and hope to cross passing.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir see you buddy.
Speaker 3: Put another log on the fire. Doing here is get
Speaker 3: the tie