WEBVTT - L.A.B. Golf - Part 9: “Reflections” - The Fire Pit w/ Matt Ginella 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.480 Yeah, dude, it's it's everything you would think it's you know, 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.880 to one one of the one of the weird kind 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.360 of transitions that we have to make emotionally is that 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:20.119 like we're not underdogs anymore, you know, but for the 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:25.439 last two weeks we still were. And yeah, dude, it 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:32.040 was like fucking hoosiers. You know. It was just absolutely incredible. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.760 It was just, uh, it was one of the it's 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.120 a once in a lifetime experience, and in fact, most 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.879 people don't even get it once in a lifetime. And 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.159 then yeah, you. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:43.600 Know, I was. 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.720 There was a lot of tears and a lot of excitement, 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.519 and and then Monday morning here at the factory, you know, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.760 we had all hands meeting. We got fifty seven of 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.480 us now at work here and all of us, you know, 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.520 got together and just just a release, just a full on, 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:08.360 fucking just release of tension and emotion and like it's 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.200 not just me man, like my my employees. Every single 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.280 person in this building is like legitimately passionate about what 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.039 they do, Like real deal fucking passionate, and they live 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.679 and die by every the same way I do. It 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.760 was incredible, you know, it was an incredible morning. We 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.000 all get together about nine thirty in the morning, which 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.640 was you know, they had actually that morning gotten in 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.480 there at four am because our fucking ac is broken. 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.400 Its one hundred degrees here, and uh so they got 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.039 in early to you know, to work while it was 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:45.080 still cooler, and and it was incredible. You know, we 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.319 had this wonderful meeting and lots of hugging and high 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.760 five and and screaming and hooting and hollering, and then 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.600 we had to get back to work and the work work. 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:53.680 Pert's pretty fucking hard. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:12.160 Lave all the fire. Nobody here is getting time. Welcome 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.000 to the fire pit with Matt Chanella. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.440 There you have it. The end, as Sam Han articulated 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.120 in that hook Lab, Golf is back to work, and 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:26.280 in addition to Adam Scott, guys like Will's Alatorus been on, Camilla, 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:30.520 Vijaygis and Grayson Murray are all using their putters now. Meanwhile, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:33.560 Lucas Glover is number thirty five in what's left of 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:37.560 the so called official world golf rankings. As we approach 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.920 the Masters of twenty twenty four, Glover has slipped back 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.760 to one hundred and sixty third in strokes gained putting 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.440 one hundred and fifteenth in putting average and one hundred 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.280 and twenty ninth in putts per round. But he's not yipping, 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.600 and no one can ever take away career wins number 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:57.040 five and six. As I said in the first episode, 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.880 I had no idea that the first call to Han 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.160 in August of twenty twenty three would lead to an 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.120 eight part now nine parts series on a putter company. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.400 But if you've been following along, it's a story that 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:13.560 is so much more than just about a putter. For me, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.880 this was Sam Hans's story and Bill Pressey's story. It's 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.160 a Bob Duncan, Matt Holme, Stuart Smith, Tim Wilkinson, Liam Bedford, 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.240 Von Taylor, Jeff Slowman, Kelly Slater, Adam Scott, Brett Rumford, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:30.160 Mac Barnhart, Michael Simms, Jason Kuhn, and of course Lucas 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.280 Glover story. As with all of my podcasts, at the end, 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.360 I like to get reflections from the protagonist, share some 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.960 of the best comments and quotes that didn't make the 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.360 main narrative, which is what I'm going to do in 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.080 this episode. But before we get to more thoughts on 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.400 Glover the Putter, the idea of letting go of control 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.240 to gain control one hundred foot waves in Ireland and 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.080 final comments from a Navy seal. Another thank you to 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.000 Dormy Workshop for sponsoring this podcast. We have a lot 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.080 more coming in our partnership with the Canadian based company 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.880 that specializes in fine leather goods, which will include events 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.120 that we're calling bonfires. More on that and those in 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.640 an upcoming fire Drill podcast which will drop Master's week. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.640 But in the meantime, go to dormyworkshop dot com and 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.960 use promo code fire Pit fifteen for fifteen percent off 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.480 your next purchase of a headcover, putter, cover, duffel bag 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:27.040 and more on Lucas Glover's accomplishments of twenty twenty three. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:31.760 Here's a final reflection from Jeff Slowman. For a guy 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.400 like that who's been grinding so hard or hits it 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.799 so good, and to keep your card for that long 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.680 and put that bad, that's a small miracle in itself. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:43.479 I think everybody felt good for him. 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.160 As a professional golfer, and especially people that know Lucas. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.760 We didn't feel good about it. We felt great for him, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.320 you know. And if you've ever had some trials and 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.960 tribulations with the putter, which almost to a man, every 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.760 professional golfers gone through, whether it's for a week, a month, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:08.960 a year, or decades. You know, that's this feeling of 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:14.440 hope you can come back and put like a kid, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.440 you know, because I don't think kids ever ten years old, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.240 fifteen twenty, you know, eight year olds, they're just they 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.839 don't care about the consequences of a miss because they're. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:26.800 Going to make the next one right. 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.839 And I think every psychologist would tell you put like 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.680 a kid with no cares in the world and nothing 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:40.320 about the miss. It's going to bother you. So yeah, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.240 I mean it brought hope to every professional golfer, and 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.640 I thought that was great. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:47.200 Here's von Taylor. 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.440 When you see a guy like Lucas Glover and you 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.119 know what he's gone through and then to go back 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.600 to back wins like that out of like virtually nowhere. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.520 What what are your thoughts on that? 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.400 I mean, that's kind of like what I was hoping 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:09.240 to happen to Reno, that it was going to like 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.840 blow up into this thing. And that's kind of like 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.479 that that dream we have, and that's why you never 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:18.480 quit because you always hope something's going to click. And 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.280 and the putters, obviously, I mean, the most important club 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.040 in the bag I believe in and Lucas that's all, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:24.400 you know. 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:25.839 I look, his whole. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.360 Game looks great. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.159 I mean, he looks like he's swinging well too, but 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:31.280 you know, he just needed something like that to click 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.679 for him. And you know, kudos for him to try 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.159 so many different things. And I didn't realize it was 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.040 so bad. I just I hadn't seen some of those 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.479 videos of him, and you know those are those are tough, 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.400 Like I've never seen anyone strike one out of the 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:53.719 heel that far on that short one at on eighteen. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.560 I just was like, wow, I didn't know it was 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.200 that bad. But you know, the more I've read about it, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:59.800 it sounds, you know, it was a lot of mental 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:04.000 stuff going on, but to also break down those barriers 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.520 with you know, a different style putter, and then to 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.800 be a playoff event. But it wasn't like it was 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.040 just back to back regular weeks. I mean that was 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.400 and he led the whole entire way and the cameras 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.120 are on him just for eight days straight or something. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.640 I mean, it's just like and just to see him 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.760 continuously roll it well and just it's pretty cool to 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:30.360 see the transformation just all the way around. But mentally 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.880 that's got to be you know, I can't imagine what 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.440 he feels like inside. You know, it's just what you 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.840 dream of to break through and clear some hurls. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:41.480 It's pretty cool. 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.200 And Lucas Glover, I don't know a ton about the 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.920 lab technology because I didn't want to because I tried 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.160 to use technology to beat it also, and so I've 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.000 kind of shied away from I mean, I just found 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.200 out what the lie was a couple or the loft 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.800 was a couple of weeks back. Uh, I just I 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.760 didn't want to know. I didn't want to know too much. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.640 I didn't want to any of that to clog up 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.119 anything that was working. So I kind of ran away 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:17.400 from the tech stuff. But understanding that it works is 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:22.320 enough for me. And you know, obviously i'm pretty much 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.840 or pretty pretty good proof that it does. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.000 Glover's friend and manager Mac Barnhardt. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.560 You can depend on Lucas being Lucas, and that's a 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.280 wonderful thing in this world, as you know, so good 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.560 or bad or ugly like it's uh, you can depend 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.360 on him and that's and that's what's made it fun. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.079 But you know, I like, I say, he he deserves this. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.040 He's a fighter, man, I mean he's and look we're 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.320 I don't like I say. People are like, what can 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:57.599 he do? I think he can win the Grand Slam. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.640 He's never putted great. He can putt grat and he's 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.720 got a team around him. Now we know that works. 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.120 We know we got I mean, people go, you can't 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.520 say that he's this age. I might told me he 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.040 could have done what he did, and I know this gap. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.040 I mean, like, he's not scared. I know he's been 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.160 in the gym almost every day since he's gotten home. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:23.160 I thought to Kobe about his workouts. His workouts are 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.640 going good. He's yeah, he went to New York from 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.480 fashion Week. Let him have a week off. That's great, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.000 you know, but he's back in the gym. I mean 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.559 he's back. I mean maybe not getting picked for the 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.280 Ryder Cup might add just a little more incentive. And 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.319 that's fine too. We'll take that right. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.120 Back to Matt Home, one of the original salesmen of 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.840 the Directed Force design, on the business impact of clovers 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:50.640 back to backs, Sam said that from January to July 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.760 of twenty twenty three, they had sold about one hundred 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:02.480 and sixty Broom you know, Broom Labs. Right after Lucas 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.840 wins back to back they sold like two thousand, six 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:06.920 hundred in one month. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.920 Yeah, I could see that for sure. Yeah, it's it's 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.440 when it's validated. When it's validated by it, you know, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.400 people people want to see it, they want to see 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.480 what they're using. And it's got a different story. It's 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.079 not like just different colors or weights. There's a complete 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.640 different set of principles being used. And that's pretty impressive 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.360 to be able to patent a mathematical formula. And Bill 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.360 got that done. But he has the patent for I've 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.200 seen it. And if anybody else makes a putter that 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:35.560 does what this putter does, they're in a hear from 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:40.360 Bill's lawyers, I'm sure, and in Sam's So it does. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.160 It's an amazing it's an amazing It's going to be 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.040 in the golf House someday. I mean think some of 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.800 the original stuff it will be in the It'll be 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.280 that kind of a historic thing. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.760 I wanted to revisit and share a few of the 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:54.600 perspectives on the idea of quote letting go of control 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.880 to gain control or take control, which again started with 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.840 Brett Rumford, the Australian short game guru. Here's Sam Hun. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:05.400 You know, like my tagline is like you know you've 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:06.920 in the past you have to keep a face square 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.559 and with us, all you have to do is let 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.360 a face stay square. And his whole thing is you 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.840 have to let go of control to gain control. That's 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:18.080 how he describes, you know, what the what the feeling is, 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.800 and a lot of the high level pros the feedback 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.880 we get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling, 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.000 you know, in along kind of similar to what we 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.640 talked about before about you know, just kind of how 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.520 the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's when 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.120 you know you're doing it right. When it kind of 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.359 feels vague and free, that's when you know the putter's 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.320 face is squared up to the plane that you're putting 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.800 it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's when 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:43.520 you know you're off. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.240 Here's Brett Rumford. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.680 And for me, it's it's all about with the lad product, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.440 it's all about for me, it's like giving up control 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.280 to take control and I think so many people, you know, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.560 whether it's a personality or otherwise, try to, you know, 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.400 control the face, control of the stroke, and they get 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.079 so caught up in the stroke and the plane and everything. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:03.719 Else, which is all good and well, you do your work, but. 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.240 And you know, the holy grail is having it perfectly 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:07.880 art and have your face to path and all the 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.320 rest of it. But there's got to be a point 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.920 where you just got to go play, and you just 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.040 got to go. You just got to get just give 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.959 up all the controlling element and you just got to just. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:18.360 Let it go. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.240 Rumford was not only one of the hardest guys to 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.760 track down for this series, he was also well worth 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.640 the weight and one of my favorite voices in this story, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.920 not only his walking analogy. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.240 Mastery comes down to mastering the movement and then everything 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.120 switches off, so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.520 mastered the art of walking. Yes, So if I were 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.600 to ask you, what do you activate in your legs 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.559 when you walk? Truthfully, just walk, anyone, just got it 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.560 out of your couch, whoever's listening to this right now, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.600 and just walk and walk a little bit faster when 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.319 I say that, and walk a little bit faster again, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.840 and tell me what's being activated. You couldn't tell me. 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.360 You wouldn't know, But especially as it related to that 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.240 idea of letting go of can and as he put it, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.360 to take control the essence of the lie angle and 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.200 balanced technology. And I loved the story. Rumford shared about 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:10.760 the experience he had when he had to make a 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.640 tricky putt to win a tournament with the lab putter. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.520 As he described it his quote, light bulb moment. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:19.760 All I can remember was when I hit it, I 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:24.160 just went, my god, that was the best part I 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.240 think I've ever hit. But I think it was more 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:30.960 the sense of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:35.240 that really connected me to this stroking his part. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:36.480 But it was just amazing. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.480 In that situation where normally you might feel a little 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.800 bit of the tension or a little bit of the 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.520 grab or a little bit of that after the hit, 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.720 you feel like that little bit of the acceleration or 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.760 that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but it's it 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.600 is what it is. It's just nerves and the rest. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.320 But this thing just flowed and it just went off 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:56.800 in my hands, and I just looked up and I 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.480 just went, Wow, that's got to be the purest part 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.400 I think I've ever hit. Subsequently, subsequently it went in. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.520 But irrespective of that, I just find, I mean that 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.240 that feeling and memory will last with me for a 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.400 long while, because I'd say to Sam, if I had 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.439 have had this technology, maybe when I first turn pro 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.199 who knows how many order one, maybe with the broomstick, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.880 A part of very well with the broomstick. But yeah, look, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.640 it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's pretty cool and 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.200 you just got to experience it, but you sort of 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.480 you have to give it some time too, because so 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.400 many people don't like the feeling of no control. They 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.000 don't like the feeling of like giving up, that feeling 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.160 of where the face is or the awareness of it. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.560 And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.240 just switches off through here rather than trying to feel 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.120 this tension. I just love the flow of it. And 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.000 you get into the flow after a while, but it 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:49.520 takes time. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.360 And then Bill Pressey on Rumford's summary of how to 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.800 utilize the technology. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.640 I think people let go of their fears. The hardest 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.200 thing that even though you like it's a fear. You 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.480 think it would be easy to let go of, right, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.360 but fear in golf is the hardest thing by far. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:13.120 This car tissue in and and the memories that that 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:19.160 that exist in lurking your subconscience somewhere during that backstroke, 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:25.359 they tend to open the door, and that is the 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:31.320 the fear there's You know what fear comes from, I'll 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:36.000 tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:41.840 You know what you miss is torque and unless you 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:47.840 practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.840 this particular golf club just like a good driver or 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.880 like a good wedge that you have, you know it. 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:54.080 You know what it's gonna do. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.800 But when you take away the torque, you could take 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.240 away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know, 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.840 if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.600 made a poor stroke, it wasn't the yips though the 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:14.400 yips is, there's no bigger fear. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.160 I've had a lot of great conversations with Bill Pressey. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.320 After our original interview, he has been listening to the 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.000 podcast as he rides his bike, much like a lot 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.480 of his close friends. I love that he's getting the 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:31.200 attention and credit that he and his revealer deserves. Stuart 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.680 Smith is one of those friends, first on letting go 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.880 of control to gain control, and then on Bill Pressey's 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:38.920 back nine of life. 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.840 That's saying resonates pretty strong in golf anyway, but probably 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.000 even more so with this putter. When you put this 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.440 putter in their revealer and you see that that putter 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.880 isn't going to move when it when you swing it on, 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:55.200 it's playing it just it doesn't budget. It's amazing. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.400 What a story, you know, literally from rags to what 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:04.720 would be aimed Riches right, uh, from you know, from 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.160 out of his trunk of his car to now being 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.840 able to kind of you know, take a breath and 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.440 and think about what's next, and you know, think about 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.639 what's next in life and keep this positive, you know, 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:20.080 path to a back nine that looks like it's going 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.600 to be a lot more a lot more fun than 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.920 maybe the front nine of his life. Would you would 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:27.040 you would you agree with all that? 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.520 I would concur Yeah, he's you know when you see 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.800 him now, I mean he's he's happy. You can tell 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.800 he's happy within himself, and I know he's finally overcome 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.040 a lot of some of the struggles that he's had, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.439 But you know, the one thing that he's never lost 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.600 is the is the passion for learning, the passion for 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.600 his self belief and his product. Maybe he's had to 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:56.119 overcome some self belief in himself, but certainly just the 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.520 self to be validated in the golf world like he 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:05.120 has now with with lyingle balance is a pretty amazing accomplishment, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:11.560 and I think he's maybe finally recognizing the impact that 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.520 he has created through no one else, through everyone else's 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:21.960 disbelief early right, people are finally now starting to believe him. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.800 You wonder why a face balance putter is so great? 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.640 I said, I still wonder myself. You know, we still 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.879 wonder why was face balanced such a big thing? Lyingle 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.879 balance is just it's the it's the next step. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.600 Another guy I enjoyed getting to know was Liam Bedford, 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.600 the guy who built Glover's original lab putter. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.359 The physics of the putter is trying to stay square. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.399 If you put the putter in motion and it's trying 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.960 to square it square itself. So if you the way 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.080 the only way that you can manipulate the putter is 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.680 with type grip pressure and your hands are the only 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:55.640 things that can move the putter, so you can either 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.800 open the face or close the face with your hands. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.800 If you don't do that with your hands, the ball 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.000 will start on the starting line. So if you give 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.920 up control by taking loose grip pressure and just allowing 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:10.120 the product to do what it's doing, the ball will 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.600 start on its starting line. And so if you can 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.119 find your speed with super light grip pressure and just 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.919 let the potter swing like, you will start it on 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.440 your starting line. And if you have a good speed, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.040 you're giving yourself a better chance. The people that we 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.000 have a hard time with the guys that typically death 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.439 grip it and then want to hit putts and like 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.200 guide putts in because they're managing talk. The reason they 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.119 have type grip pressure is because the potter wants to 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:35.760 twist in their face because of the way the weight is 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.760 in the potu. So they for a guy with a blade, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.840 the blade's trying to do this on the way on 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.080 the way back, and then this on the way through. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:46.840 So the guys typically are holding it off and then 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.359 trying to hit little draw parts on the way through. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.399 With our stuff, you don't need to. You can just 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.679 literally get there and just make a stroke and the 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.400 face is going to stay square to the arc. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.639 Again. I've known Mac Barnhardt for over thirty years. He 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.760 has always been a spiritual guy. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.560 Let go of control to gain control, as it relates 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.960 to both putting in life. Would do you subscribe to that? 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:06.680 Oh? 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.440 Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's why I say, I I mean, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.399 like you don't. I didn't know as much about the 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.720 technology as I probably should have until Lucas got it. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.719 And then I started researching and calling people and you know, 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.960 already Cunningham on tours kind of my go to tech guy, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.040 and you know, just get ideas from people about this putter, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.720 you know, after Luke. I mean I wasn't but it 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.840 didn't matter what I thought about it anyhow. Lucas wanted it. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.280 He's getting it. But then you start reading about it, 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.919 and you're like, man, that's that's different stuff, right, you know, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.399 that's a lot further along than Carston did with with 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.359 the answer, right, I mean, I think, and it makes sense, right, 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.679 I mean, we we've come as we went up in 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.359 technology so much and all the other equipment, the gop balls, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:56.360 the drivers, right and the shafts, even there hasn't been 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:59.600 a I mean, there's different pretty putters, but there hasn't 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.560 been a lot of technology change in the putting look 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:07.000 at it. So that was kind of interesting. And obviously 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.399 they must work. I think they're selling a lot of 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.440 them right now. If they're not, they're they're in trouble. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.520 Adam Beach of My Golf Spy on the same subject, right. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.040 It goes back to what I was saying. With those 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:24.000 other putters, you have to you have to do some 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.080 work with those, whereas this you don't have to. So 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.840 we've been trained to not let go, to hold on 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.080 to you know, you watch people putt and they're like, oh, 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:34.679