1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's everything you would think it's you know, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: to one one of the one of the weird kind 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: of transitions that we have to make emotionally is that 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: like we're not underdogs anymore, you know, but for the 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: last two weeks we still were. And yeah, dude, it 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: was like fucking hoosiers. You know. It was just absolutely incredible. 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: It was just, uh, it was one of the it's 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime experience, and in fact, most 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: people don't even get it once in a lifetime. And 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: then yeah, you. 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: Know, I was. 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: There was a lot of tears and a lot of excitement, 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: and and then Monday morning here at the factory, you know, 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: we had all hands meeting. We got fifty seven of 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: us now at work here and all of us, you know, 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: got together and just just a release, just a full on, 17 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: fucking just release of tension and emotion and like it's 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: not just me man, like my my employees. Every single 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: person in this building is like legitimately passionate about what 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: they do, Like real deal fucking passionate, and they live 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: and die by every the same way I do. It 22 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: was incredible, you know, it was an incredible morning. We 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: all get together about nine thirty in the morning, which 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: was you know, they had actually that morning gotten in 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: there at four am because our fucking ac is broken. 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: Its one hundred degrees here, and uh so they got 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: in early to you know, to work while it was 28 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: still cooler, and and it was incredible. You know, we 29 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: had this wonderful meeting and lots of hugging and high 30 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: five and and screaming and hooting and hollering, and then 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: we had to get back to work and the work work. 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: Pert's pretty fucking hard. 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: Lave all the fire. Nobody here is getting time. Welcome 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: to the fire pit with Matt Chanella. 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: There you have it. The end, as Sam Han articulated 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: in that hook Lab, Golf is back to work, and 37 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: in addition to Adam Scott, guys like Will's Alatorus been on, Camilla, 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: Vijaygis and Grayson Murray are all using their putters now. Meanwhile, 39 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: Lucas Glover is number thirty five in what's left of 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 4: the so called official world golf rankings. As we approach 41 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: the Masters of twenty twenty four, Glover has slipped back 42 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: to one hundred and sixty third in strokes gained putting 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteenth in putting average and one hundred 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: and twenty ninth in putts per round. But he's not yipping, 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: and no one can ever take away career wins number 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 4: five and six. As I said in the first episode, 47 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: I had no idea that the first call to Han 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: in August of twenty twenty three would lead to an 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: eight part now nine parts series on a putter company. 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: But if you've been following along, it's a story that 51 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: is so much more than just about a putter. For me, 52 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 4: this was Sam Hans's story and Bill Pressey's story. It's 53 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: a Bob Duncan, Matt Holme, Stuart Smith, Tim Wilkinson, Liam Bedford, 54 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: Von Taylor, Jeff Slowman, Kelly Slater, Adam Scott, Brett Rumford, 55 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: Mac Barnhart, Michael Simms, Jason Kuhn, and of course Lucas 56 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 4: Glover story. As with all of my podcasts, at the end, 57 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 4: I like to get reflections from the protagonist, share some 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: of the best comments and quotes that didn't make the 59 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: main narrative, which is what I'm going to do in 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: this episode. But before we get to more thoughts on 61 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: Glover the Putter, the idea of letting go of control 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 4: to gain control one hundred foot waves in Ireland and 63 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: final comments from a Navy seal. Another thank you to 64 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: Dormy Workshop for sponsoring this podcast. 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For a guy 74 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: like that who's been grinding so hard or hits it 75 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 4: so good, and to keep your card for that long 76 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: and put that bad, that's a small miracle in itself. 77 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 4: I think everybody felt good for him. 78 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 5: As a professional golfer, and especially people that know Lucas. 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 5: We didn't feel good about it. We felt great for him, 80 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 5: you know. And if you've ever had some trials and 81 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 5: tribulations with the putter, which almost to a man, every 82 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 5: professional golfers gone through, whether it's for a week, a month, 83 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 5: a year, or decades. You know, that's this feeling of 84 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: hope you can come back and put like a kid, 85 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: you know, because I don't think kids ever ten years old, 86 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 5: fifteen twenty, you know, eight year olds, they're just they 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 5: don't care about the consequences of a miss because they're. 88 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 6: Going to make the next one right. 89 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 5: And I think every psychologist would tell you put like 90 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 5: a kid with no cares in the world and nothing 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 5: about the miss. It's going to bother you. So yeah, 92 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: I mean it brought hope to every professional golfer, and 93 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: I thought that was great. 94 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: Here's von Taylor. 95 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 7: When you see a guy like Lucas Glover and you 96 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 7: know what he's gone through and then to go back 97 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 7: to back wins like that out of like virtually nowhere. 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 7: What what are your thoughts on that? 99 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 8: I mean, that's kind of like what I was hoping 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 8: to happen to Reno, that it was going to like 101 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 8: blow up into this thing. And that's kind of like 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 8: that that dream we have, and that's why you never 103 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 8: quit because you always hope something's going to click. And 104 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 8: and the putters, obviously, I mean, the most important club 105 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 8: in the bag I believe in and Lucas that's all, 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 8: you know. 107 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 9: I look, his whole. 108 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: Game looks great. 109 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 8: I mean, he looks like he's swinging well too, but 110 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 8: you know, he just needed something like that to click 111 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 8: for him. And you know, kudos for him to try 112 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 8: so many different things. And I didn't realize it was 113 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 8: so bad. I just I hadn't seen some of those 114 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 8: videos of him, and you know those are those are tough, 115 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 8: Like I've never seen anyone strike one out of the 116 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 8: heel that far on that short one at on eighteen. 117 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 8: I just was like, wow, I didn't know it was 118 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 8: that bad. But you know, the more I've read about it, 119 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 8: it sounds, you know, it was a lot of mental 120 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 8: stuff going on, but to also break down those barriers 121 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 8: with you know, a different style putter, and then to 122 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 8: be a playoff event. But it wasn't like it was 123 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 8: just back to back regular weeks. I mean that was 124 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 8: and he led the whole entire way and the cameras 125 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 8: are on him just for eight days straight or something. 126 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 8: I mean, it's just like and just to see him 127 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 8: continuously roll it well and just it's pretty cool to 128 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 8: see the transformation just all the way around. But mentally 129 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 8: that's got to be you know, I can't imagine what 130 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 8: he feels like inside. You know, it's just what you 131 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 8: dream of to break through and clear some hurls. 132 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. 133 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 10: And Lucas Glover, I don't know a ton about the 134 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 10: lab technology because I didn't want to because I tried 135 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 10: to use technology to beat it also, and so I've 136 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 10: kind of shied away from I mean, I just found 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 10: out what the lie was a couple or the loft 138 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 10: was a couple of weeks back. Uh, I just I 139 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 10: didn't want to know. I didn't want to know too much. 140 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 10: I didn't want to any of that to clog up 141 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 10: anything that was working. So I kind of ran away 142 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 10: from the tech stuff. But understanding that it works is 143 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 10: enough for me. And you know, obviously i'm pretty much 144 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 10: or pretty pretty good proof that it does. 145 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: Glover's friend and manager Mac Barnhardt. 146 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 6: You can depend on Lucas being Lucas, and that's a 147 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 6: wonderful thing in this world, as you know, so good 148 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 6: or bad or ugly like it's uh, you can depend 149 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 6: on him and that's and that's what's made it fun. 150 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 6: But you know, I like, I say, he he deserves this. 151 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 6: He's a fighter, man, I mean he's and look we're 152 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 6: I don't like I say. People are like, what can 153 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 6: he do? I think he can win the Grand Slam. 154 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 6: He's never putted great. He can putt grat and he's 155 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 6: got a team around him. Now we know that works. 156 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 6: We know we got I mean, people go, you can't 157 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 6: say that he's this age. I might told me he 158 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 6: could have done what he did, and I know this gap. 159 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 6: I mean, like, he's not scared. I know he's been 160 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 6: in the gym almost every day since he's gotten home. 161 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 6: I thought to Kobe about his workouts. His workouts are 162 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 6: going good. He's yeah, he went to New York from 163 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 6: fashion Week. Let him have a week off. That's great, 164 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 6: you know, but he's back in the gym. I mean 165 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 6: he's back. I mean maybe not getting picked for the 166 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 6: Ryder Cup might add just a little more incentive. And 167 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 6: that's fine too. We'll take that right. 168 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: Back to Matt Home, one of the original salesmen of 169 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: the Directed Force design, on the business impact of clovers 170 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: back to backs, Sam said that from January to July 171 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, they had sold about one hundred 172 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: and sixty Broom you know, Broom Labs. Right after Lucas 173 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 4: wins back to back they sold like two thousand, six 174 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: hundred in one month. 175 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 11: Yeah, I could see that for sure. Yeah, it's it's 176 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 11: when it's validated. When it's validated by it, you know, 177 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 11: people people want to see it, they want to see 178 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 11: what they're using. And it's got a different story. It's 179 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 11: not like just different colors or weights. There's a complete 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 11: different set of principles being used. And that's pretty impressive 181 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 11: to be able to patent a mathematical formula. And Bill 182 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 11: got that done. But he has the patent for I've 183 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 11: seen it. And if anybody else makes a putter that 184 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 11: does what this putter does, they're in a hear from 185 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 11: Bill's lawyers, I'm sure, and in Sam's So it does. 186 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 11: It's an amazing it's an amazing It's going to be 187 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 11: in the golf House someday. I mean think some of 188 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 11: the original stuff it will be in the It'll be 189 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 11: that kind of a historic thing. 190 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 4: I wanted to revisit and share a few of the 191 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: perspectives on the idea of quote letting go of control 192 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 4: to gain control or take control, which again started with 193 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 4: Brett Rumford, the Australian short game guru. Here's Sam Hun. 194 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: You know, like my tagline is like you know you've 195 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: in the past you have to keep a face square 196 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: and with us, all you have to do is let 197 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: a face stay square. And his whole thing is you 198 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: have to let go of control to gain control. That's 199 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: how he describes, you know, what the what the feeling is, 200 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: and a lot of the high level pros the feedback 201 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: we get is they describe this very kind of vague feeling, 202 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, in along kind of similar to what we 203 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: talked about before about you know, just kind of how 204 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the potter head disappears. That's a good thing. That's when 205 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: you know you're doing it right. When it kind of 206 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,359 Speaker 1: feels vague and free, that's when you know the putter's 207 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: face is squared up to the plane that you're putting 208 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: it on. It's when you start feeling resistance. That's when 209 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: you know you're off. 210 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: Here's Brett Rumford. 211 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 12: And for me, it's it's all about with the lad product, 212 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 12: it's all about for me, it's like giving up control 213 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 12: to take control and I think so many people, you know, 214 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 12: whether it's a personality or otherwise, try to, you know, 215 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 12: control the face, control of the stroke, and they get 216 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 12: so caught up in the stroke and the plane and everything. 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 7: Else, which is all good and well, you do your work, but. 218 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 12: And you know, the holy grail is having it perfectly 219 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 12: art and have your face to path and all the 220 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 12: rest of it. But there's got to be a point 221 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 12: where you just got to go play, and you just 222 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 12: got to go. You just got to get just give 223 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 12: up all the controlling element and you just got to just. 224 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: Let it go. 225 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: Rumford was not only one of the hardest guys to 226 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: track down for this series, he was also well worth 227 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: the weight and one of my favorite voices in this story, 228 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 4: not only his walking analogy. 229 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 12: Mastery comes down to mastering the movement and then everything 230 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 12: switches off, so everything deactivates. So when you walk, you've 231 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 12: mastered the art of walking. Yes, So if I were 232 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 12: to ask you, what do you activate in your legs 233 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 12: when you walk? Truthfully, just walk, anyone, just got it 234 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 12: out of your couch, whoever's listening to this right now, 235 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 12: and just walk and walk a little bit faster when 236 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 12: I say that, and walk a little bit faster again, 237 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 12: and tell me what's being activated. You couldn't tell me. 238 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: You wouldn't know, But especially as it related to that 239 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: idea of letting go of can and as he put it, 240 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: to take control the essence of the lie angle and 241 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: balanced technology. And I loved the story. Rumford shared about 242 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: the experience he had when he had to make a 243 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: tricky putt to win a tournament with the lab putter. 244 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 4: As he described it his quote, light bulb moment. 245 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 12: All I can remember was when I hit it, I 246 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 12: just went, my god, that was the best part I 247 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 12: think I've ever hit. But I think it was more 248 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 12: the sense of the feeling, my heightened sense of emotion 249 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 12: that really connected me to this stroking his part. 250 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 13: But it was just amazing. 251 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 12: In that situation where normally you might feel a little 252 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 12: bit of the tension or a little bit of the 253 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 12: grab or a little bit of that after the hit, 254 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 12: you feel like that little bit of the acceleration or 255 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 12: that I wouldn't use the word apprehension, but it's it 256 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 12: is what it is. It's just nerves and the rest. 257 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 12: But this thing just flowed and it just went off 258 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 12: in my hands, and I just looked up and I 259 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 12: just went, Wow, that's got to be the purest part 260 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 12: I think I've ever hit. Subsequently, subsequently it went in. 261 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 12: But irrespective of that, I just find, I mean that 262 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 12: that feeling and memory will last with me for a 263 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 12: long while, because I'd say to Sam, if I had 264 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 12: have had this technology, maybe when I first turn pro 265 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 12: who knows how many order one, maybe with the broomstick, 266 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 12: A part of very well with the broomstick. But yeah, look, 267 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 12: it's just it's quite amazing technology. It's pretty cool and 268 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 12: you just got to experience it, but you sort of 269 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 12: you have to give it some time too, because so 270 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 12: many people don't like the feeling of no control. They 271 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 12: don't like the feeling of like giving up, that feeling 272 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 12: of where the face is or the awareness of it. 273 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 12: And it's just I love the internal feeling where everything 274 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 12: just switches off through here rather than trying to feel 275 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 12: this tension. I just love the flow of it. And 276 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 12: you get into the flow after a while, but it 277 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 12: takes time. 278 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 4: And then Bill Pressey on Rumford's summary of how to 279 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: utilize the technology. 280 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 14: I think people let go of their fears. The hardest 281 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 14: thing that even though you like it's a fear. You 282 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 14: think it would be easy to let go of, right, 283 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 14: but fear in golf is the hardest thing by far. 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 14: This car tissue in and and the memories that that 285 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 14: that exist in lurking your subconscience somewhere during that backstroke, 286 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,359 Speaker 14: they tend to open the door, and that is the 287 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 14: the fear there's You know what fear comes from, I'll 288 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 14: tell you it comes from missing, right, comes from missing 289 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 14: You know what you miss is torque and unless you 290 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 14: practice enough, or you've got this innate ability to know 291 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 14: this particular golf club just like a good driver or 292 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 14: like a good wedge that you have, you know it. 293 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 13: You know what it's gonna do. 294 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 15: But when you take away the torque, you could take 295 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 15: away the fear and start reprogramming. And then you know, 296 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 15: if you miss putts, it's a misread or or you 297 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 15: made a poor stroke, it wasn't the yips though the 298 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 15: yips is, there's no bigger fear. 299 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 4: I've had a lot of great conversations with Bill Pressey. 300 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 4: After our original interview, he has been listening to the 301 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 4: podcast as he rides his bike, much like a lot 302 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: of his close friends. I love that he's getting the 303 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: attention and credit that he and his revealer deserves. Stuart 304 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 4: Smith is one of those friends, first on letting go 305 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 4: of control to gain control, and then on Bill Pressey's 306 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 4: back nine of life. 307 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 16: That's saying resonates pretty strong in golf anyway, but probably 308 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 16: even more so with this putter. When you put this 309 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 16: putter in their revealer and you see that that putter 310 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 16: isn't going to move when it when you swing it on, 311 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 16: it's playing it just it doesn't budget. It's amazing. 312 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 7: What a story, you know, literally from rags to what 313 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 7: would be aimed Riches right, uh, from you know, from 314 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 7: out of his trunk of his car to now being 315 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 7: able to kind of you know, take a breath and 316 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 7: and think about what's next, and you know, think about 317 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 7: what's next in life and keep this positive, you know, 318 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 7: path to a back nine that looks like it's going 319 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 7: to be a lot more a lot more fun than 320 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 7: maybe the front nine of his life. Would you would 321 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 7: you would you agree with all that? 322 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 16: I would concur Yeah, he's you know when you see 323 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 16: him now, I mean he's he's happy. You can tell 324 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 16: he's happy within himself, and I know he's finally overcome 325 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 16: a lot of some of the struggles that he's had, 326 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 16: But you know, the one thing that he's never lost 327 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 16: is the is the passion for learning, the passion for 328 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 16: his self belief and his product. Maybe he's had to 329 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 16: overcome some self belief in himself, but certainly just the 330 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 16: self to be validated in the golf world like he 331 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 16: has now with with lyingle balance is a pretty amazing accomplishment, 332 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 16: and I think he's maybe finally recognizing the impact that 333 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 16: he has created through no one else, through everyone else's 334 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 16: disbelief early right, people are finally now starting to believe him. 335 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 16: You wonder why a face balance putter is so great? 336 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 16: I said, I still wonder myself. You know, we still 337 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 16: wonder why was face balanced such a big thing? Lyingle 338 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 16: balance is just it's the it's the next step. 339 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: Another guy I enjoyed getting to know was Liam Bedford, 340 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: the guy who built Glover's original lab putter. 341 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 17: The physics of the putter is trying to stay square. 342 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 17: If you put the putter in motion and it's trying 343 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 17: to square it square itself. So if you the way 344 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 17: the only way that you can manipulate the putter is 345 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 17: with type grip pressure and your hands are the only 346 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 17: things that can move the putter, so you can either 347 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 17: open the face or close the face with your hands. 348 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 17: If you don't do that with your hands, the ball 349 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 17: will start on the starting line. So if you give 350 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 17: up control by taking loose grip pressure and just allowing 351 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 17: the product to do what it's doing, the ball will 352 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 17: start on its starting line. And so if you can 353 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 17: find your speed with super light grip pressure and just 354 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 17: let the potter swing like, you will start it on 355 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 17: your starting line. And if you have a good speed, 356 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 17: you're giving yourself a better chance. The people that we 357 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 17: have a hard time with the guys that typically death 358 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 17: grip it and then want to hit putts and like 359 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 17: guide putts in because they're managing talk. The reason they 360 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 17: have type grip pressure is because the potter wants to 361 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 17: twist in their face because of the way the weight is 362 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 17: in the potu. So they for a guy with a blade, 363 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 17: the blade's trying to do this on the way on 364 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 17: the way back, and then this on the way through. 365 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 17: So the guys typically are holding it off and then 366 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 17: trying to hit little draw parts on the way through. 367 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 17: With our stuff, you don't need to. You can just 368 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 17: literally get there and just make a stroke and the 369 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 17: face is going to stay square to the arc. 370 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 4: Again. I've known Mac Barnhardt for over thirty years. He 371 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: has always been a spiritual guy. 372 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 7: Let go of control to gain control, as it relates 373 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 7: to both putting in life. Would do you subscribe to that? 374 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 13: Oh? 375 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah. And that's why I say, I I mean, 376 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 6: like you don't. I didn't know as much about the 377 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 6: technology as I probably should have until Lucas got it. 378 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 6: And then I started researching and calling people and you know, 379 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 6: already Cunningham on tours kind of my go to tech guy, 380 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 6: and you know, just get ideas from people about this putter, 381 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 6: you know, after Luke. I mean I wasn't but it 382 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 6: didn't matter what I thought about it anyhow. Lucas wanted it. 383 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 6: He's getting it. But then you start reading about it, 384 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 6: and you're like, man, that's that's different stuff, right, you know, 385 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 6: that's a lot further along than Carston did with with 386 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 6: the answer, right, I mean, I think, and it makes sense, right, 387 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 6: I mean, we we've come as we went up in 388 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 6: technology so much and all the other equipment, the gop balls, 389 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 6: the drivers, right and the shafts, even there hasn't been 390 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 6: a I mean, there's different pretty putters, but there hasn't 391 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 6: been a lot of technology change in the putting look 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 6: at it. So that was kind of interesting. And obviously 393 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 6: they must work. I think they're selling a lot of 394 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 6: them right now. If they're not, they're they're in trouble. 395 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 4: Adam Beach of My Golf Spy on the same subject, right. 396 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 18: It goes back to what I was saying. With those 397 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 18: other putters, you have to you have to do some 398 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 18: work with those, whereas this you don't have to. So 399 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 18: we've been trained to not let go, to hold on 400 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 18: to you know, you watch people putt and they're like, oh, 401 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 18: you know, they're like trying to hold on and. 402 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 9: Keep their face square, And I agree with that. 403 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 18: You got to let go to not only in life, 404 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 18: but with putting to have it work real well. 405 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: And no one is more spiritual than Glover's friend Michael Simms. 406 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: His laughs were some of my favorite moments from this series. 407 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 13: That's a life lesson. 408 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 19: Times when we're holding on too tight, you know, things 409 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 19: don't go the way that they should. But the second 410 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 19: we let go things start to flow. It just all happened. 411 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 19: It all happened right when I was supposed to is. 412 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 19: Mac always said to me, I'll never forget this. On 413 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 19: a pudding green in two thousand and seven, I made 414 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 19: a comment about something and he looked at me and 415 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 19: he goes, Michael, You're always right where you need to be, Bud. 416 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 13: And it may not be comfortable sometimes, and it may 417 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 13: not be where you want to be, but you're always 418 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 13: right where you need to be. And we don't know 419 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 13: why you just are. That's all right, fucking right. 420 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 4: I certainly enjoyed talking golf in life with Adam Scott, 421 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 4: forever one of my favorites to watch and root for. 422 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 4: Here he is on letting go of control to gain control. 423 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 4: Does that ring true to you? Is that something that 424 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 4: makes sense to you? 425 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 12: Yeah? 426 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 20: I think absolutely it does. I think you know, I 427 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 20: try and do that with my entire game. But we're 428 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 20: we're so professional in a sense. We think of everything 429 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 20: all the time. We're trying to be so good at 430 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 20: every little part of it. And when it comes to 431 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 20: performing and shooting the lower score, you know, you want 432 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 20: to have all the stuff under control that you've thought 433 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 20: about and then forget it and just and execute and 434 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 20: just play and just let go. And that's what I'm 435 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 20: trying to do generally, so I think I think that 436 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 20: does ring true. I probably didn't have the internal fights 437 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 20: that Rummy had in his head with the putter. I 438 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 20: was just like, Yeah, this swing's really good. Yeah, this 439 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 20: is getting a consistent role. I don't need to find 440 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 20: necessarily fault with it. How about I just use this 441 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 20: thing and make more putts. And I was enjoying that 442 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 20: end of it. And I've really enjoyed the relationship with 443 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 20: Sam and his team and being able to give him 444 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 20: feedback and then being receptive to that feedback, and in 445 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 20: developing the mez and the mes Max and you know, 446 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 20: getting to a place where I feel like I'm putting 447 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 20: with as good a putter as I can put with. 448 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 4: It's possible none of this becomes such an incredible story 449 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 4: if it wasn't for Tim Wilkinson being an early adopter 450 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 4: and getting the number of starts Han needed to get 451 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 4: the credential that got him inside the ropes and on 452 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 4: the practice putting greens of tour events. Here's Wilkinson on 453 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 4: the same subject. 454 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 21: You know, putting, you always, I mean, when you're putting poorly, 455 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 21: you're always trying to control the stroke as much as 456 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 21: you can, and the strike and speed and rather than 457 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 21: being more athletic and yeah, just letting your instincts take over. 458 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 21: And I think that Potter, with the technology that it has, 459 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 21: can allow you to do that for sure. 460 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 4: And then there's Kelly Slater, not only one of the 461 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 4: greatest athletes of my generation again eleven world championships in surfing, 462 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 4: which is mind boggling to anyone who knows anything about 463 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 4: surfing and sports in general. Here he is on letting 464 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 4: go of control to gain control. 465 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 9: It makes sense because, like I was saying, the revealer 466 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 9: reveals all. And when you see somebody take If somebody 467 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 9: puts your favorite putter in there you've had forever and 468 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 9: the toe starts flipping around and it you know, it 469 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 9: doesn't hit square. You realize that you have to try 470 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 9: and control your putter to make it work, as opposed 471 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 9: to letting it just do its job and you're just 472 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 9: along for the ride. Putting's so freaking hard already. Why 473 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 9: make it any harder? You want something that's just gonna 474 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 9: make it easier and easier. I'm surprised maybe the rnals 475 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 9: try to outlaw it. You know, it's the new Sam's 476 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 9: need putting between your feet. 477 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: It't be that easy. We have to insist it. 478 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, we're gonna roll back. It's gotta be way harder. 479 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 9: You've had no three putts in three rounds. 480 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're rolling back the ball. We're outlying good putters. 481 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: That's it. 482 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 4: That's that's when I heard you were involved, or that 483 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 4: you you had an impact. You know. He talks about 484 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 4: all these magic moments that have happened, and you using 485 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 4: it is one of the magic moments, which then leads 486 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: to Adam, which then leads to Lucas, which is how 487 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: this whole chain of like good vibes happens that leads 488 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 4: to where they are now. 489 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 7: So it's kind of a. 490 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's cool. I'm I feel fortunate to to you know, 491 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 9: be in there and and and be friends with these 492 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 9: guys because I'm you know, I'm a golf fan. Obviously. 493 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 9: I love the game. I love the history, I love 494 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 9: the I love watching I love seeing the competition. It's 495 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 9: in my blood. And and you know. 496 00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 10: Two. 497 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 9: Be some part of that story is really fun. And 498 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 9: same thing. I was playing with Charles Howl in Florida 499 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 9: and Charles saw me strike stroking the ball and he's like, oh, 500 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 9: you know they had mentioned it to me or contact me. 501 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 9: He's like, think I'm gonna check that out again. 502 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 22: I think he's I think it's in his back now, 503 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 22: not sure, but last year it was, so I mean, 504 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 22: it's fun, it's it's it's a really it's those are 505 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 22: good memories, cherished memories for me in my golf life. 506 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 4: You know, it's really cool. Well, thank you for taking 507 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 4: the time to do this. I I've talked to Chewie. 508 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: I've mentioned it to him. I'll just mention it to 509 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: you now. But the twenty two the pipeline story, the 510 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 4: buzzer beater is a story that I would love to 511 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: try and tell, not only through your words, but with 512 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: all the observers and all the people that were a 513 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 4: part of that, almost like as a cherry on what's 514 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: been your your just like insane career, but like I 515 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: would love to tell a story about that. You know, 516 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: I'm I'm you know, I know just enough about surfing 517 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 4: with my family and the involvement in Hawaii and the surfing. 518 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: But someday I may come back to you and try 519 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 4: to see if I can pin you down on telling 520 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: that story. 521 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 9: So yeah, that'd be awesome. I was in I was 522 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 9: in Namibia last week about a week and a half 523 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,919 Speaker 9: ag surfing, and there was just an incredible swell that 524 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 9: everyone around the world heard about. So about one hundred 525 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 9: and fifty people probably flew to this place to go surf. 526 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 9: And I'm walking up the beach, so it's about it's 527 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 9: about a mile long point break, so you got to 528 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 9: rock you surf about a mile down. You walk back 529 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 9: up and the wind's blown about twenty thirty miles an hour, 530 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 9: and you got to walk against the wind, and the 531 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 9: sand is like almost like quicksand there the way that 532 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 9: you just kind of sink in the sand. So it's 533 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 9: I mean walking that thing. Everyone's walking between sort of 534 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 9: five times and twelve fifty twelve fifteen times a day 535 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 9: if you're really like in good shape, and the amount 536 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 9: of energy it us is just crazy. It's just you're 537 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 9: so beat afterwards. But anyways, I'm walking back up the beach. 538 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 9: At one point I'm walking next to the sky and 539 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 9: we get the chat and he's he's Australian, and uh, 540 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 9: he goes, hey, man, I got to confess something to you. 541 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 9: We're just about to put we're putting our leashes and 542 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 9: we're about to jump back in the water. He goes, 543 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 9: I got to confess something to you. When you won pipeline, 544 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 9: I started crying. Man, and and uh, he goes, I've 545 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 9: never met you, he goes. But I'm about the same 546 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 9: age and just meant so much to me. And I've 547 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 9: heard that from so many people like it felt really 548 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 9: special to a lot of people. And that's, you know, 549 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 9: another reason why it was the best win of my career. 550 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 9: And you know, there's a pretty good chance it will 551 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 9: be my last win. And it's at my favorite event, 552 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 9: and you know the place I as a kid I 553 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 9: dreamt of doing well at and even just being able 554 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 9: to surf and not be scared. 555 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 4: Well, Kelly, thanks for this. Enjoy your Friday play well. 556 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 4: Headed up to the goat with the little guy and 557 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 4: meeting up with with Simsey and Ashy and uh and 558 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: I'm sure I'll see up there at some point soon. 559 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, stay high to ash for me. And I'm just 560 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 9: at the I'm in that traffic right before Ocean side 561 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 9: heading south. 562 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 4: Oh brutal, that's brutal, brutal. 563 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 9: Lay traffic, dude, this thing is brutal. 564 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: Here, No, I know, I'm dreading it, but but I 565 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 4: got to get up there. I got to hit some balls. 566 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: We got monthly Metal tomorrow, so I got to make 567 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 4: sure I'm ready for for tomight. I just came back 568 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: from thirty nice Ireland. Thirty days in Ireland, which is 569 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 4: by the way. They get some big ass swells out there. 570 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 4: Have you ever surfed the Ireland swell? 571 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 9: And I've been there once, but it wasn't giant. It 572 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 9: was just nice and clean. But Mulligmore on the West 573 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 9: Coast is as big and intense as any wave in 574 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 9: the world. It's a friend of mine. A friend of 575 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 9: mine was up there about a decade ago, just chasing waves, 576 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 9: a big wave guy, and he showed me, well, he 577 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 9: did an article and surf his journal and showed me 578 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 9: a couple of pictures himself. But he said it was 579 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 9: the biggest he's ever seen. And he's surfed all the 580 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 9: biggest waves around the world, and he said it was 581 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 9: by far the biggest ways he'd ever seen. He was 582 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 9: sure it was one hundred feet plus and judging by 583 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 9: he had pictures this wave that it's a big right 584 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 9: on an outer reef and normally it kind of just 585 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 9: feathers and it can only be let's say it's like 586 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 9: fifty sixty feet on a big day. And he said, 587 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 9: just in comparison, this day was breaking top to bottom 588 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 9: barrels outside of where he normally sees it break at 589 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 9: like sixty feet. And so the depth of water and 590 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 9: the intensity in the ocean, like the amount of energy 591 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 9: they were seeing, he said, like nothing he's ever seen 592 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 9: like you get you know, you're get in a situation 593 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 9: out there, you're never gonna get found. But he just 594 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 9: said a one hundred foot waves are out there for sure. 595 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 9: I saw him. 596 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 4: If interested, there's a cool little digital short called Cold 597 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 4: Comforts in which Peter Klein talks to Conor Maguire about 598 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: surfing the biggest waves of Ireland at Maligmore, which is 599 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 4: in County Sligo, only twenty five minutes from the County 600 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 4: Slago Golf Club. Ross's point, I couldn't help myself. Here's 601 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 4: a short clip of Maguire on surfing those waves. 602 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 23: I guess what's so unique about Ireland as it's the 603 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 23: island itself is made up of rock formations that are 604 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 23: millions of years old, and that's kind of what makes 605 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 23: our slabs and our other points and reefs so perfect 606 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 23: and amazing on their day. Also, our dramatic weather that's 607 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 23: carved the coastline and on different setups is just yeah, 608 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 23: it really adds to it and it makes it all 609 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 23: the more dramatic. And when the light does come out, 610 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 23: it's always ethereal and a bit magic. And yet there's 611 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 23: a lot of different things that make Ireland so special. 612 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 4: On the subject of overcoming fears, we'll wrap all of 613 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: this with Jason Kuhne, the former Navy seal sniper who 614 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 4: helped guide Glover into overcoming the yips and back into 615 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 4: the winter circle. 616 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 7: Are you still working with Lucas per Se or I mean, 617 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 7: are you guys still sort of having. 618 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: Off and on. 619 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 24: It's just more like kind of check in and guidance 620 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,719 Speaker 24: here and there when he feels appropriate. All of the 621 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 24: information that I have to deliver to him has been delivered. 622 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 24: So when I work with players, we record the meetings 623 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 24: and they're uploaded to a folder for them to go 624 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 24: back and review and. 625 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: Keep and the idea behind that. 626 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 24: That's another thing with sports psychology as well as one 627 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 24: of my frustrations is I'm here to train them from 628 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 24: point A to point B. Okay, to a point where 629 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 24: they don't need me anymore. That's the idea behind it, 630 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 24: and then just passed me off to someone else if 631 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 24: they need me around forever. 632 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 2: In terms of. 633 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 24: You know, just just all that not now some of them, yeah, hey, 634 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 24: it would never hurt to have a performance coach around 635 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,479 Speaker 24: providing guidance and whatever else. Okay, But in terms of 636 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 24: learning what they need to learn and being able to 637 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 24: apply it on the field, if they need me around forever, 638 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 24: then I'm not doing my job properly. 639 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: You know. 640 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 24: If a corporate group hires me on retainer to consult 641 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 24: for them and teach human performance to their people, and 642 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 24: they got to keep me around forever, then I'm not 643 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 24: getting that information delivered and effectively apply for them. I'm 644 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 24: not doing my job properly. So that's the idea behind it. 645 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 24: Is to take a player from point A to point 646 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 24: B to the point where they don't really need me anymore. 647 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 24: And I think that's pretty much where he's at. 648 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 7: I'm going to go through that wall you're sitting in 649 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 7: front of right now. 650 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 24: Yeah, that's that's what we do. This is the world 651 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 24: I live in. And you know, for athletes that may 652 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 24: be listening, you know, we're still breaking in into the game. 653 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 24: I've got my colleague Sean Kanagi, who is my mentor 654 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 24: in the Sealed Team's twenty three years in, one of 655 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 24: the most respected special operators in the community, and we 656 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 24: are breaking this down. So there's Stonewall Solutions, there's yipsfree 657 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 24: dot Com, and then Shawn and I are run in 658 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 24: Parabellum Performance dot Com and it's you know, we're not 659 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 24: going to take everyone. It's going to be exclusive for 660 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 24: serious people who seriously want to win and train them 661 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 24: up and you know, from there, perhaps start bringing in 662 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 24: more highly experienced operators to learn the curriculum and develop it. 663 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 24: With these guys both their education and application. We're going 664 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 24: to take them to the golf cour and we're going 665 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 24: to do things that are very untraditional and unorthodox. We're 666 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 24: gonna we're going to simulate the environment of chaos as 667 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 24: much as we possibly can to where golfing in a 668 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 24: match should seem simple and easy train like you fight, 669 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 24: as well as other times where it's just nice and 670 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 24: easy learning the material. And that's that's what we want 671 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 24: to do. We want to take this to the next level, 672 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 24: you know one because we enjoy it and we understand it. 673 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 24: But to get these athletes what they deserve in terms 674 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 24: of this, because I'm tired of seeing I had. It's 675 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 24: not my words, but a pro golfer sat down with 676 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 24: me a couple of weeks ago and he was telling 677 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 24: me about his experiences and working with sports psychology, and 678 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 24: he said, Man, what I've experienced so far and the 679 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 24: money I've spent on it should be considered malpractice. And 680 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 24: I'm just tired of hearing stories like that. Let's get 681 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 24: these guys what they need with people who know what 682 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 24: they're doing and who have applied the skills they're asking 683 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 24: others to apply and just win everything. 684 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 7: You know, what would it cost me to have you 685 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 7: just sort to follow me around every day and just 686 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 7: be like my security guard. You could be my mental coach, 687 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 7: my life coach. You can help me like just overcome 688 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 7: anything and everything. What what does that? 689 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 4: What does that cause? Just be seven days a week? 690 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 24: Yeah, well, you know we're not we're not super cheap, 691 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 24: but we're very effective at what we do. And I 692 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 24: think that the results people get through what we provide 693 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 24: to them, they end up coming out on exponentially on top. 694 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 10: You know. 695 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 24: So, uh, yeah, we can we can certainly talk about 696 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 24: that for sure. 697 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 7: Well, you've you've certainly helped me in this process of 698 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 7: telling what I think is a very compelling story that 699 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 7: goes you know, and and it's beyond Lucas, but it certainly. 700 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 4: Culminates with Lucas as it relates to this, this narrative 701 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 4: and you taking the time and sharing all this with me. 702 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 4: I just wanted to say thank you, thank you for 703 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 4: your service, thank you for all that you've done for 704 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 4: our country and for us and our you know, our 705 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 4: our peace and safety, but also you know, what you're 706 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 4: continuing to do to help these people. It's really really 707 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 4: it's really powerful stuff. 708 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: So thank you. 709 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 7: Pleasure meeting you, and I hope to actually get to 710 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 7: shake your hands someday. 711 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's. 712 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 24: Great to meet you as well. I'm going to start 713 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 24: getting around to some of those golf courses and you know, 714 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 24: meeting some folks and learning the game better. Probably start 715 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 24: playing some golf. I've got some assets now to help, 716 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 24: you know, some of the best in the world that 717 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 24: teach me how to play, so I should probably take 718 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 24: advantage of that. But now the good folks out there, 719 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 24: like yourself and those telling them the story and allowing 720 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 24: me to have a platform to get this information out. 721 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 24: There will no doubt get to some athletes that whose 722 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 24: careers will be saved and or enhanced through it through 723 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 24: their efforts, not mine, but in contribute, you know, in 724 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 24: the contributions that I make. And so thank you as well. 725 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 7: Thank you Jason, Thanks, enjoy the rest of your weekend 726 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 7: and and and hope to cross passing. 727 00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:24,720 Speaker 2: Yes, sir see you buddy. 728 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: Put another log on the fire. Doing here is get 729 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 3: the tie