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Speaker 1: Making Conversation the man who taught me how to fish again?

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Speaker 1: Running great? How are you doing, Rochelle? And I'm told

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Speaker 1: is awesome to be here. Well, you know, it's really good.

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Speaker 1: that is a good point, you know, because of the

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Speaker 1: fact that because we're about to transition to into your

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Speaker 1: two parts series, the difficult discussion because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that when I look at our president, you know, quit

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Speaker 1: to sign executive orders to protect the Confederate statues. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then turn around and say that Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 1: is a hate group and and not understanding their the

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Speaker 1: the the the accomplishments we had. That's why when Drew

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Speaker 1: Breese said his father's fought in the war and his

436
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Speaker 1: grandfather saw in the world, because in his mind he's

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Speaker 1: never been educated black people fought and anything, because the

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Speaker 1: history is not there. You know, the history doesn't write

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Speaker 1: us in like that. And now you know, we we

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Speaker 1: we they brought us over, they freed us. Okay. Then

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Speaker 1: it moved up to to uh, the I have a

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Speaker 1: dream speech. Then it moved up to the Civil rights

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Speaker 1: and after that, brother, you know, we didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: else but stay on welfare, sale crack and raised the

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Speaker 1: crime rate according to the population that wants to push

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Speaker 1: that narrative. And so when I hear you talk about

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Speaker 1: eighteen twin in a black man created the first really

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Speaker 1: fishing rod, I'm not stunned because, as you all know,

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Speaker 1: black people were creative because basically we're out there doing

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Speaker 1: the work anyway. So if you're doing the work, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna figure out how to do it faster and easier

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Speaker 1: and more convenient. That's why we created the cotton gym, Okay, now,

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Speaker 1: but you put together this this two parts, here's all

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Speaker 1: the difficult discussion. As I saw both episodes, it was

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Speaker 1: three black men, two white men. Tell us how you

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Speaker 1: selected the five and tell us how the whole scenario

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Speaker 1: the whole scenario started. Because it really was cool where

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Speaker 1: you did it, because you still kept the fishing aspect

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Speaker 1: into the episode wrapped around this conversation, which I really enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know what to expect, but when

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Speaker 1: I got that, went, oh, this is this is I

462
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say we're nice, but it was enjoyable because I wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't taken out of the whole reason why I

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Speaker 1: watched the show. But I was able to hear on

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Speaker 1: this conversation from men having the difficult conversations because even

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Speaker 1: though the conversation flowed the way flow, some statements will

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Speaker 1: held back a little bit, but a lot of honest

468
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Speaker 1: thing was at least transmitted. Talk to us about the

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Speaker 1: right quick running. Yeah, so what we did is we

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Speaker 1: took some folks that have been on my show already.

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Speaker 1: Everyone that was in the panel because I fished with

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Speaker 1: him before. Um, we had them on the show and

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Speaker 1: I've called several other folks and not everybody was comfortable.

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Speaker 1: So I was okay with that. So I took the

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Speaker 1: folks that were available, and uh, we had some folks

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Speaker 1: even fly in just to be a part of it.

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Speaker 1: Because when a lot has gone on in our country

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Speaker 1: over the last few months, Uh, there's been a lot

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Speaker 1: of conversation and talking to friends and family and then

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Speaker 1: talking to even the guys that were on the show

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Speaker 1: before we even got on the show, and there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of different dialogue and conversation about it. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: why don't we bring it to a place I said,

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Speaker 1: where it's my lane. And what I mean by my lane.

485
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to walk into a surgeon's office

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Speaker 1: and try to become a surgeon just because I want to.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to be a politician because I

488
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Speaker 1: feel like I'm a politician. But I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about honest issues from the platform that I have. And

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Speaker 1: so we brought everybody on and we talked about the

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Speaker 1: difficult discussions. Uh with the show, it's starting off being

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Speaker 1: just one show, but after all the content was done

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Speaker 1: and CBS Sports agreed we need to have to show

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Speaker 1: through episodes and Uh. We we got into some deep

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Speaker 1: barreaus Colin Kaepernick. We got into you know, all of

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Speaker 1: the folks being killed, you know in the streets our police. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then we talked about a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we actually established

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Speaker 1: the ground rus. And there is a ground rus that

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Speaker 1: I established, uh, just based on my interaction with folks

501
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Speaker 1: and me and my wife sit down and talk about

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Speaker 1: it is belief system because that's where everything starts. And

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Speaker 1: so we define what a belief system is. And then

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Speaker 1: we actually built on belief system by moving to narrative,

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Speaker 1: because the narrative is an account of what you see,

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Speaker 1: sometimes infused with the belief system, which we all agree

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Speaker 1: the belief system comes from our parents or pair of figures.

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Speaker 1: So at the end of the day we talked about

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Speaker 1: all those issues and always being being able to refer

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Speaker 1: back to belief system and narrative. So just because you

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Speaker 1: see a certain thing and doesn't mean that it's exactly

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Speaker 1: what you see, but it's easy to ride to train

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Speaker 1: when you feel like your emotions are stirred. Case in

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Speaker 1: point is calling Kaepinet not talking about the the the

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Speaker 1: important fixed factor in it is he sat down on

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Speaker 1: his on his bottom, you know. At first, and then

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Speaker 1: UH talked to and consulted Sergeant Bowyer, who was a

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Speaker 1: long snapper on the San Francisco forty niners, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I agree with what you're doing, but it might be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more respectful. You can do whatever you want,

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Speaker 1: but I would recommend you take a knee. He said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take a knee, and because

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Speaker 1: he wanted to take a peaceful stance, but the message,

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Speaker 1: the narrative was missed because he was doing it to

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Speaker 1: actually bring attention to what we are dealing with right now,

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Speaker 1: which is African American people are being assassinated in the

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Speaker 1: streets by people of authority that are paid to protect

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Speaker 1: and serve. So that was the issue. But the narrative

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Speaker 1: was slipped. And I talked about historically, and we couldn't

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Speaker 1: put everything into the episode. We had to depend on

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Speaker 1: the editor and I had to be a part of

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Speaker 1: that process as well, but we had to put what

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Speaker 1: we could get in at the end of the day. Historically,

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Speaker 1: if you look at Muhammad Ali, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the folks in n Olympics, if you look at any

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Speaker 1: entertainer yes, sir, it takes a stand about something simple

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Speaker 1: that is unrested has to do with us. The narrative

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Speaker 1: can be flipped because it's so easy to flip a

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Speaker 1: narrative because you want to stop the momentum. The momentum

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Speaker 1: is what you want to stop. So what you do

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Speaker 1: is find a way to give a Counternetter and I

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Speaker 1: talked about even Martin Luther King. There was always a

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Speaker 1: counter narrative with him, but we celebrate him as a hero,

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Speaker 1: American hero. We have a holiday dedicated to it. But

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Speaker 1: it was so many more in our country that look

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Speaker 1: like me. But again, narratives, so uh, it's interesting no

547
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Speaker 1: matter what we do. In some instances, sometimes the narratives

548
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Speaker 1: can be flicked. And it's because there is always a

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Speaker 1: countercurrent trying to say, hey, we don't want to give

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Speaker 1: that credit because we don't want to give the ability

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Speaker 1: for someone to actually change the belief system. Because if

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Speaker 1: you change the belief system, then people believe that there's

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Speaker 1: other people that did some other things in this country.

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Speaker 1: We don't want that. That's the that's the key right there,

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Speaker 1: giving credit given the recognition, you know, acknowledging that we

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Speaker 1: did not share properly the history of African Americans in

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Speaker 1: our school books. Uh, that's what we're talking about with

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Speaker 1: you know, when you when you walk around here and

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Speaker 1: you're saluting uh statues that of the Confederacy, and and

560
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Speaker 1: then you hear the word trader thrown out there a lot.

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Speaker 1: They were traders. They fought against the against them, they

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Speaker 1: try to they divide this country. But we're saluting them

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Speaker 1: as heroes. But we don't salute our accomplishments throughout the community,

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Speaker 1: you know. And so what we what we try to do.

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Speaker 1: And so so what I was looking at the two parter,

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was informative, it was humorous,

567
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Speaker 1: you know, a little what the little chubby guy name,

568
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Speaker 1: he was funny man, he was funny, he knew you know.

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Speaker 1: I spent a good under good conversation away and and

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Speaker 1: I love for the conversation about you can disagree with

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Speaker 1: the African American, but you but all you're you're not

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Speaker 1: a racist. And that's that's what the conversation we're trying

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Speaker 1: to get to is they talk to me. Don't just

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Speaker 1: talk to me, just talk And that's what that was

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Speaker 1: My big takeaway from watching your show was like just

576
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Speaker 1: talk to me and I get you there, but but

577
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: if you just assume something about me, and that's that's

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00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: where we all turned the wround corner. When you when

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Speaker 1: you lock your doors and I walked by, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you when you nervously walked past me, or when

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Speaker 1: the cop that a white person will never understand. I

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Speaker 1: gotta said, like this, that is different when a cop

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Speaker 1: stops a white person and an emotion that they feel

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Speaker 1: when the cops stops a black person, way different, way different, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: because I said this and I talked about it in

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Speaker 1: in the very first stepisode. That's your first storm my experience. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're the white passenger and he took you out, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and brought you to the rack

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Speaker 1: and the white passenger like what's going on? He hey,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's really that's really where we had in

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00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: our lives right now, man, And to see that first

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Speaker 1: of all, you know, for you to do that for

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Speaker 1: your show, because you're gonna reach a totally different audience,

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00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: audience very you know, Fisherman. We're not saying that they

595
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Speaker 1: pretty conservative. They kind of rural minded individuals who needed

596
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Speaker 1: to see that conversation also from some people who were

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Speaker 1: courageous enough that we're white to sit down and have

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Speaker 1: this conversation, because that's how we're gonna win. Man. That's

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Speaker 1: that's that's how the flag comes down at NASCAR. Man,

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Speaker 1: That's how we're gonna remove some of these statues. He's

601
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Speaker 1: gonna want to remove them, all these Confederate statues and

602
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Speaker 1: walk around and realize that I have value And that's

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Speaker 1: all you told me. And you're show man, right. I

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00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: want to thank you for doing that, man, for you

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00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: realize what motivates you to do that about your show,

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Speaker 1: to do that bring that to your show. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of my motivation is again, I

608
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: always believe that with everything going on, make no mistakes

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Speaker 1: about it, I have emotion like anybody else, and I

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Speaker 1: get upset and I but I always feel like, you

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00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: gotta stay in your lane, so use your platform. So

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Speaker 1: my wife is a physician and where she does what

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Speaker 1: she does is at work as a physician, and she

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Speaker 1: can do what she does at her platform. But I

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Speaker 1: felt like I was not granted and get it this

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Speaker 1: platform just to sit on it and feel comfortable. That's

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Speaker 1: a problem. You cannot always feel comfortable. You gotta get

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable to make change. And that's the history of America

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Speaker 1: is You've got to do something that makes you uncomfortable

620
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: and that causes growth, not just for you, but everybody

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Speaker 1: around you. So I felt like I'm gonna do it

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Speaker 1: as fair and as possible by having a dialogue. And again,

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Speaker 1: people are gonna see it because a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: have never been exposed to it. So at the end

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00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: of the day, now they see a model here. Now

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Speaker 1: we got the best practice. So when people see a model,

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Speaker 1: they may be able to replicate that behavior in a

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Speaker 1: different environment. Cool writing. Thank you for I can see

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Speaker 1: this episode on Amazon Prime right now, Amazon Prime Video. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it will be coming. And as a matter of fact,

631
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Speaker 1: we have and you'll hear it first on your show.

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Speaker 1: Is We're gonna have an actual airing on on on

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Speaker 1: YouTube as well, especially in both episodes, because we really

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Speaker 1: want people to see this because many people don't have

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Speaker 1: cable nowdayes. Absolutely, I want to thank you my friend

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Green. Gotta come back to the ladder man and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, take me big a and fish some more.

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Speaker 1: Just come out and eat dinner man. You know he

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Speaker 1: came by my house and fix your breakfast. Remember you

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