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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 3: Just when you think you're out, they pull you back.

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Speaker 2: In a famous line from The Godfather, it also applies

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Speaker 2: for all these insane COVID policies. So I'm going to

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Speaker 2: read a letter for you in a moment. A public

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Speaker 2: elementary school in Montgomery County, Maryland, just out outside of

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Speaker 2: our nation's capital, is reinstituting a mask mandate for third

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Speaker 2: graders because a couple of kids have tested positive for COVID.

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Speaker 2: I think we have to fight this with every fiber

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Speaker 2: of our being, and I mean that.

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Speaker 3: As a parent.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read you this letter in a moment,

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Speaker 2: but it's important to understand where this mask lunacy is

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Speaker 2: coming from.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Jill Biden.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jill Biden, of course, doctor Joe Biden has tested

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Speaker 2: positive for COVID. I think this is at least the

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Speaker 2: third time that they've publicly announced that she's tested positive

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Speaker 2: for COVID. Buck They've also made a big deal about

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Speaker 2: the fact that she's gotten six seven eight COVID shots.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it is that you're supposed to have gotten by now.

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Speaker 2: Karine Jean Pierre, the Historic Press Secretary for the White House,

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Speaker 2: was just asked about what precautions Joe Biden would be

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Speaker 2: undertaking as a result, he of course, is testing every

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Speaker 2: day as well.

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Speaker 3: She says, he will be wearing a mask again indoors.

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Speaker 4: Listen, President Biden tested negative last night for COVID nineteen

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Speaker 4: and tested negative again today. He's not experiencing any symptoms

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Speaker 4: as far as the steps he is taking. Since the

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Speaker 4: President was with the First Lady yesterday, he will be

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Speaker 4: masking while indoors and around people, in alignment with CDC guidance,

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Speaker 4: and as has been the practice in the past, the

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Speaker 4: President will remove his mask when sufficiently distanced from others

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Speaker 4: indoors and while outside as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Buck, this is ridiculous. This was just sent to me.

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Speaker 2: A DC area elementary school in Montgomery County, Maryland, reinstating

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Speaker 2: a mask mandate. This is today for third graders, over

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Speaker 2: a few kids testing positive for COVID. I'm reading from

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Speaker 2: the letter that was sent to me today. This letter

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Speaker 2: is to inform you that three or more individuals have

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Speaker 2: tested positive for COVID. This is today, right, I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about like four years ago.

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Speaker 3: This is today.

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Speaker 2: We are taking that three kids have gotten COVID in

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Speaker 2: the past ten days. We are taking the following steps

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Speaker 2: to keep our school environment as safe as possible for

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Speaker 2: of COVID in this group. Additional K ninety five masks

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Speaker 2: k N ninety five masks have been distributed students and staff,

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Speaker 2: and identified classes or activities will be required to mask

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Speaker 2: while in school for the next ten days, except while

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Speaker 2: eating or drinking. Masks will become optional again following the

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Speaker 2: ten day period. At home, rapid test will be sent home.

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Speaker 2: All of this is madness. First of all, For anybody

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Speaker 2: go on for ten days, I would submit to you

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Speaker 2: that fifteen days to stop the spread went on for

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Speaker 2: about a thousand days, and it's still in some ways

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Speaker 3: Buck. This is going to spread like wildfire. If you're

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Speaker 3: this is a public school, Wait, COVID or the craziness both?

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Speaker 3: The great well Man maybe both. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean we always get colds during winter.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know about you, but unless

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Speaker 2: the cold is so bad that everybody can notice that

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Speaker 2: I have a cold. I typically would not, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming for your kids again on this mask thing. And

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Speaker 2: for those of you out there who are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you care, because we've heard from that,

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Speaker 2: just let people do whatever they want. It's never what

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Speaker 2: they are satisfied with talking about. This is the fourth

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Speaker 2: year of fall and winter that COVID has existed. These

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Speaker 2: poor third graders buck have never been in a elementary

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Speaker 2: school environment where COVID wasn't omnipresent in their mind.

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to think about.

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Speaker 2: The psychological issues that we've created in convincing all these

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Speaker 2: they're gonna get germs. But we're going to go back

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Speaker 2: when you're eating and drinking.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're not learning, and they will do this.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to me right now in California, if

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Speaker 3: DC area, they're gonna do this to your kids too.

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Speaker 3: They are coming for them. You're gonna have to put

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Speaker 3: on masks. If people go along with this in those places,

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Speaker 3: I also think, look, the fact that the White House

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Speaker 3: is announcing this is this is to set the tone.

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Speaker 3: This is to prepare people. You know, It's like the

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Speaker 3: word is going out from on high that you should

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Speaker 3: be in a Democrat enclave ready for this. What I

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Speaker 3: think will be a real interesting red line is do

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Speaker 3: they try to do this the only place where I

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Speaker 3: like me who have hated masks all along and thought

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Speaker 3: very beginning, I never thought that masks work. I actually

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Speaker 3: was more willing to believe in hand washing than masks initially,

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Speaker 3: just because understanding airflow and you're breathing in the air,

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Speaker 3: the mask doesn't filter out the air. You're just breathing

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Speaker 3: I mean, it made no sense, no sense at all,

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Speaker 3: it's not like they're trying to stop you know, large

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Speaker 3: sawdust particles or something. That's the reason people were.

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Speaker 2: Even in this example, Buck, they're still taking them off

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Speaker 3: I mean, well, this is what I always said about

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Speaker 3: about the plane. The planes is the one place because

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Speaker 3: the airlines went full stalin on masks. I mean they

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Speaker 3: went completely completely insane, and they were banning people from

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Speaker 3: being able to fly airlines. If you and it was

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Speaker 3: a mask up between bytes policy. To your point, Clay,

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Speaker 3: it's not even the question we are presented with is

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Speaker 3: other people who may have COVID protect you indefinitely from COVID? Right?

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Speaker 3: That is the way that they frame this in their minds.

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Speaker 3: The real question is can intermittent on off sometimes yes,

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Speaker 3: some times no masking protect you in perpetuity from a

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Speaker 3: virus that will always be there and that you will

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Speaker 3: be exposed to with and without your mask on. That's

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Speaker 3: the real question. And when you frame it that way,

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Speaker 3: you understand immediately the people who believe in this are insane.

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Speaker 3: They are insane. They are the the you know, amygdala,

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Speaker 3: I think it's the amygdala is calling the shots for them.

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Speaker 3: And on the political side of this, you know, we

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Speaker 3: were at Clay It's interesting we talked the first hour

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Speaker 3: they throw in the four indictments. We think we agree

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Speaker 3: they're going to try some ballot measure to kick Trump

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Speaker 3: off the ballots because of the insurrection, right, the only nonviolent,

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Speaker 3: unarmed in u I shouldn't say non violent, but the

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Speaker 3: of the government in the history of so called insurrections.

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Speaker 3: What else could they add on to this to try

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Speaker 3: to rig the game even further, even if it's only

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Speaker 3: a temporary thing. The usage of COVID, Remember, it'll limit rallies,

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Speaker 3: it'll be an excuse for bided, It'll put them back

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Speaker 3: in the basement. It'll have Democrats consolidate and mobilize around

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Speaker 3: the idea that they take the virus seriously. It'll be

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Speaker 3: in the news. It'll drown out stories about the economy,

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Speaker 3: it'll drown out stories about the migrant crisis. And you know,

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Speaker 3: turns out when it's not El Paso having to deal

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Speaker 3: flip out about it. Right, we're seeing some really interesting

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Speaker 3: stuff happen. The political advantage that they can draw from

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Speaker 3: this is clear, and we know that it's only going

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Speaker 3: that they can maximize that. And remember, if they do

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Speaker 3: it now, they're going to do it again next fall.

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Speaker 3: They're setting the precedent. Not only that, buck, what does

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Speaker 3: it also allow them to do? Change the voting mail

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Speaker 3: in balloting AGAINEP again.

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Speaker 2: They get to go and say, well, there's an it's

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Speaker 2: just to be safe, there's an emergency. What sort of

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Speaker 2: We've got to ensure that vulnerable people are able to

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Speaker 2: all vote remotely.

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Speaker 3: Again, they will run the same place until they get stopped.

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Speaker 2: And that's why, for everybody out there, you can never

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Speaker 2: you acquiesced meekly when your kids in August of twenty

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Speaker 2: Never again, because unless.

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Speaker 3: You once and for all defeat this idea, it's anti science,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work, and it has significant learning consequences for children,

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Speaker 3: Come on, this is not revolutionary. There were jurisdictions that

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Speaker 3: previously had anti masking measures unless it was necessary for

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Speaker 3: specifically for that reason. Because of the public safety component

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Speaker 3: of this, you know, they didn't want people running around

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Speaker 3: for obvious reasons. You could say, well, a ski mask

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Speaker 3: person will do it no matter what. Yeah, but if

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Speaker 3: do you get to know? I think something bad is

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Speaker 3: law enforcement. So Clay, I mean, it's all coming together

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Speaker 3: exactly as you would have anticipated. If you're dealing with

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Speaker 3: the wind. Whatever works, whatever works, is what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do. And if they think this works, they're going

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Speaker 3: to push this all the way. If there's a video

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Speaker 3: for all of you, because it's insane what they're doing

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Speaker 3: to us. You cannot comply. I want every single one

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Speaker 3: I will not wear a mask anywhere in America over COVID. Right,

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Speaker 3: I want to say over COVID, because I want to

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Speaker 3: specify this is the fourth year. Okay. Some people have

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Speaker 3: to wear masks for a variety of different directions and reasons.

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Speaker 3: Your kids, you have to fight it, your ability. If

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Speaker 3: How many people out there are getting excited about getting

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Speaker 3: Monstrous, insane. You're gonna have people again. You're gonna have lunatic,

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Speaker 2: This is what happens buck when there are no consequences

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Speaker 2: going on right now, Mike, let me just start with this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well my first thought is a ron spot and like, hey,

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Speaker 2: on with us. Encourage you to go check out his podcast,

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Speaker 2: The President's Daily Brief Former CIA Covert Operations officer.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned China.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of discussions, certainly as the Republican

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Speaker 2: Primary continues, over what would happen if China invaded Taiwan.

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Speaker 2: This has been a big topic in the wake of

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Speaker 2: Ukraine's invasion by Russia. Do you think China will invade Taiwan?

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Speaker 2: Do you think there is a time frame under which

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Speaker 2: they are planning to do so?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the last part of that question, yes, I think

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Speaker 5: that time frame is somewhere within Jiji Thing's tenure. I

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Speaker 5: have a hard time imagining. And I think a lot

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Speaker 5: of people that have been looking at this and profiling

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Speaker 5: his character, his leadership, his personality. The idea that he'll

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Speaker 5: walk off into the sunset at some point and hand

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Speaker 5: over the rains and will not have acted on the

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Speaker 5: Taiwan issue. I think those chances are somewhat remote. So

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Speaker 5: I think your time frame has been condensed. Used to

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Speaker 5: be we talk about maybe twenty fifty or sometime out there,

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Speaker 5: but that has changed now. I think in terms of

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Speaker 5: like a lot of different things. So this may not

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Speaker 5: be ships heading across the strait which is remarkably narrow

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Speaker 5: and militarily taking over the country, right. There could be

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Speaker 5: other elements to this, and whether that includes, you know,

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Speaker 5: the next battlefield, which is cybersecurity and or cyber Shenanigan, sorry,

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Speaker 5: and space right, the degrading of you know, surveillance and

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Speaker 5: intel capabilities, taking out satellite systems, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 5: that that will look different. So and it also depends

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Speaker 5: in part on you know, the next upcoming election. The

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Speaker 5: front runner right now is you know, he's speaking out

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Speaker 5: more aggressively about the independence of Taiwan and the importance

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Speaker 5: of maintaining that so it is. I mean, look, we

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Speaker 5: got a lot of flashpoints around the globe. Obviously, China

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Speaker 5: Taiwan is you know, in the top three at this stage.

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Speaker 3: Mike Bake, everybody check out the PDB podcast, where he'll

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Speaker 3: talk about national security every day from the perspective of

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Speaker 3: a former CIA covert operations guy. Mike, great to have

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Speaker 3: you all, my friend, thanks for having here.

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Speaker 5: Hey, listen, thank you very much. I appreciate the the

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Speaker 5: opportunity to talk about it. I appreciate you mentioning the PDB.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to use all my big words and try

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Speaker 5: to be clean shaven and wear a clean shirt every day.

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Speaker 3: So well, Mike, as you know, I'm a CIA analyst,

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Speaker 3: So if you need someone to, you know, make sure

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Speaker 3: that all the hyphens are in the right place, I

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Speaker 3: got you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's you know, that's a really important

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Speaker 5: point to note, Buck, is that nobody, nobody was ever

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Speaker 5: gonna ask me to join the smart ranks of the analysts,

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Speaker 5: you know, where you guys actually knew what was going on, right.

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Speaker 5: We would just chunk in little bits and pieces of

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Speaker 5: information from wherever we happen to be and and uh

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Speaker 5: and then be amazed at at you know what would

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Speaker 5: be kind of turned out from all of that.

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Speaker 3: So James Bond over here, everybody is a very humble man,

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Speaker 3: but he's gonna do a great job.

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Speaker 5: On his I'm just saying the PDP is going to

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Speaker 5: look at things from from more of an operational perspective

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Speaker 5: than an analytical perspective, and I'm going to try not

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Speaker 5: to tell people how to think about things. But we'll

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Speaker 5: see how that goes.

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Speaker 3: Good luck to you, Mike, PDB podcast. Check it out. Everybody, thanks,

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Speaker 3: take care of them, Take care. Doesn't it seem like

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Speaker 3: Mister Clay, I got to tell you, I think they

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Speaker 3: Let's see if we have any calls we can get

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Speaker 3: light of thieves and criminals being able to walk into

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Speaker 3: who are pushing back on masks will be thrown out

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Speaker 3: of businesses for not complying with the mask craziness. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think that you're gonna see some ugly, ugly videos

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Speaker 3: of people who are going to get really contentious about

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Speaker 3: this because one of the things that I always found

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Speaker 3: so annoying about the whole process of masking beyond that

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work. People who say it's not a big deal,

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Speaker 3: it actually is a big deal. It's uncomfortable, it causes anxiety,

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Speaker 3: these fights on airplanes. Although I do think it was

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Speaker 3: it nationwide ground stop because of a computer issue. Some

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Speaker 3: of the airlines get worse and worse. Technology gets better

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Speaker 3: and better, you know, I you know, I remember when

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Speaker 3: carry around these iPhone supercomputers in our pockets. Like, everything

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Speaker 3: gets better except the airlines. Somehow, It's interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: They actually get worse?

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Speaker 2: But what was I sayd Especially if somebody poops in

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Clay wants to talk about this story,

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Speaker 3: and I keep telling them people maybe eating lunch not allowed.

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Speaker 2: This is the worst story I've heard, other than an

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Speaker 2: airline crashing, which would be awful. Delta Airlines Atlanta. They

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Speaker 2: plane had explosive diarrhea and they had to return to Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine a worse situation. This might be the

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Speaker 2: worst poop story of all time to have to return

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Speaker 2: the plane where they over the Atlanta Like, how far

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Speaker 3: Those of you who are who are like halfway through,

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Speaker 3: uh you know your general So's chicken right now. It's

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Speaker 3: just going to tell you. I tried to veto this,

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Speaker 3: but I can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is the worst story ever. Can you imagine,

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Speaker 2: Reland because somebody like blew it up in the bathroom,

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Speaker 3: Obviously, God Clay. But I will say this, I've noticed this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the only one. There is a trend now

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Speaker 3: watching a movie or something with no headphones. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I will tell you as much as the Acella

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Speaker 3: Corridor gets a lot up, which is the obviously the

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Speaker 3: high speed train that goes from Boston to Washington, DC,

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Speaker 3: the Accella quiet car is enforced with ruthless efficiency. If

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Speaker 3: without fail, someone comes over and does the really aggressive

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Speaker 3: shsh excuse me, sir. You know, and I may or

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Speaker 3: may not have been that person a few times myself,

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Speaker 3: because not all heroes wear capes, but on planes, we

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Speaker 3: have to shut down the people who think you can

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Speaker 3: watch something on your iPad with no headphones on. I

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Speaker 3: don't know what this has started to happen. We are civilized,

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Speaker 3: we are not barbarians. Clay, this is there are rules.

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Speaker 2: I think this is having to do my I've noticed

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Speaker 2: because for some reason, they did the cordless headphone thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, there used to be a jack and everybody

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Speaker 2: kind of had a I felt like most people had

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Speaker 2: remote headphones. A lot of times they don't seem to

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Speaker 2: stay very charged. They don't work very well. I would

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Speaker 2: having a plug for regular headphones, because I think that's

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Speaker 2: what this is about. People don't have them, they get uncharged,

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Speaker 2: they don't work, and then they're sitting there with no

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Speaker 2: reading material or anything else, so they listen to audio

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Speaker 2: on the on the on the plane, which I agree

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Speaker 2: is become a big issue.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we can save the country from

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Speaker 3: the the possible systemic collapse of taking Trump and throwing

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Speaker 3: in prison and all the things that are gonna happen

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Speaker 3: next year. But I do think we can all band

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Speaker 3: together and prevent loud people from being rude on airplanes

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Speaker 3: with their with their iPads. That I think is possible.

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Speaker 3: That's achievable. And no matter how bad your flight is today,

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Speaker 3: if you didn't have to turn around because of a

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Speaker 3: poop explosion, it wasn't as bad as you thought. Just

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Speaker 3: because I told them not to do it. You see

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Speaker 3: how much he does it. This is what happens