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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course fun. Today's episode is definitely one that's a

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Speaker 1: little outside of my comfort zone and probably most pupils.

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Speaker 1: But I'm so excited to have the amazing Emily Moore's

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Speaker 1: on the pod. You might know Emily from her incredibly

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Speaker 1: successful podcast Sex with Emily, or from one of her

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Speaker 1: best selling books, Hot Sex, over two Hundred Things you

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Speaker 1: Can Try Tonight or Smart Sex. Emily is truly one

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Speaker 1: of the pioneers in the podcast space, I think twenty

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Speaker 1: years now, and her story is truly fascinating. So let's

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Speaker 1: get right into it. I'm very excited to have you on.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I would say, don't ask Roger, but

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Speaker 1: I would say, I'm known to be a little bit

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Speaker 1: like I'm I'm definitely like a modest person in this

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Speaker 1: sense of It's weird because on the one hand, I'm

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Speaker 1: obviously not because I'm like loud and over the top

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Speaker 1: and constantly making fun of myself whatever. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to have you on because I think what you've done

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Speaker 1: is I think you've really helped to normalize, to revolutionize,

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Speaker 1: to make talking about sex your sex life and everything

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Speaker 1: else like basically like talking about what you ate for

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Speaker 1: dinner exactly. And so I'm very curious. I want to

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Speaker 1: go back to the beginning for a second, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you woke up as a little girl

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Speaker 1: and said I'm going to be a sex therapist. So

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Speaker 1: tell me a little like. I love to know because

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Speaker 1: Climbing and Heels is so much about really talking about

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Speaker 1: the journey of all the amazing women that I speak to.

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Speaker 1: And I think the journey is the hardest part, the

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Speaker 1: most challenging, and also the most exciting, and it is

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Speaker 1: obviously what gets you to where you are now. So

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that. So tell me a

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Speaker 1: little bit, like give me you give me Emily, okay,

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Speaker 1: tell me.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you Okay.

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Speaker 3: So no, I did not come out of the womb

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Speaker 3: talking about sex knowing anything, just checking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, this was later, much later. Let's look my third career.

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Speaker 3: So I it's really I was just looking so a

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Speaker 3: and then as you know, I grew up in Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Then I went to University of Michigan, and in college

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Speaker 3: I was always like it always it was really hard

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how do I know?

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Speaker 2: Like, I love that you always knew what you wanted

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Speaker 1: I know, like, no, I was a psyche major. I

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Speaker 2: And so okay, yeah, okay, so you did. You weren't

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Speaker 1: I was, but at the time there was there was

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Speaker 1: I did know that I didn't want to be corporate

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Speaker 2: Invented a path and then a path to get to

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Speaker 3: I was always working, so my parents grew up like

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Speaker 1: That by choice because you had to define because there's

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Speaker 1: So you were in a spoiled brat. That's great. I

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Speaker 2: But the one is that great, I know, right, who knew?

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Speaker 3: my parents got divorced and my mom was independent.

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Speaker 2: To get along.

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Speaker 1: Wait, want to backtack. You made a documentary about politics,

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Speaker 3: And that by this time sex people would always say

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Speaker 3: But I would start asking people, and I realized there

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Speaker 1: I think all of these things, but I think you're

438
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Speaker 1: now going on like today's shows and talk shows and

439
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Speaker 1: like being on morning television, and I think that it's

440
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Speaker 1: amazing and I wanted to have you on the pod

441
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Speaker 1: because I feel like so much so many of the

442
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Speaker 1: women I talk to, you know, they're game changers in

443
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Speaker 1: a lot of different fields, and I feel like you've

444
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,399
Speaker 1: obviously really changed the game here the conversation. And I

445
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: remember when I first met you. I mean, I'm pretty

446
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,959
Speaker 1: sure we were talking about sex within five minutes, and

447
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Speaker 1: I was like, this is so funny, because like anyone

448
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Speaker 1: who knows me is like, Rachel talked about sex, like what?

449
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Speaker 1: And I think it's again. I think it because growing

450
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Speaker 1: up you're sort of like, ladies don't talk about that, right,

451
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Speaker 1: And not that my mom was like you need to

452
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Speaker 1: sit straight and walk like a certain lady. It was

453
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Speaker 1: just sort of I think it was considered to not

454
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Speaker 1: be okay or classy to do such a thing. Yeah,

455
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Speaker 1: and I think it wasn't. And I think now it's

456
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Speaker 1: more intelligent and less trashy and more I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just I think it's becoming normal, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think it's becoming normal twenty years it is, right,

459
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Speaker 1: and they are talking about it at a young age

460
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Speaker 1: in school, they're starting in third grade for sure. So amazing.

461
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Speaker 1: But you think that this is really impacting mental health? Right?

462
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Speaker 2: Yes?

463
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

464
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Speaker 3: And here's the thing is that it's confidence and it's

465
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Speaker 3: so I wrote this book last year called Smart Sex,

466
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Speaker 3: How to Boost your Sex Like you and Own your Pleasure.

467
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Speaker 3: And I realized when I was writing the book that

468
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: it was all my best tips because people coming for

469
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Speaker 3: tips and there's twenty years and then I realized that

470
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 3: it's so whatever someone so a lot of on my

471
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Speaker 3: podcast un Sex with Emily, people call with questions Today.

472
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Speaker 2: I get hundreds of questions.

473
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Speaker 3: A day, and I realized that when they asked me

474
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Speaker 3: a question, I have to kind of go through this

475
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 3: like these five In my mind, I would go through

476
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: these five pillars, like how how in your body? The

477
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 3: first was like embodiment, like are you in your body

478
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Speaker 3: during sex? Or are you leaving the room? Are you fantasizing?

479
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Speaker 2: What's your health like?

480
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Speaker 3: If you're not moving your body, you're not in a

481
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Speaker 3: healthy place, you're not eating great foods. That's also going

482
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Speaker 3: to impact your ability to feel aroused and turn on

483
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Speaker 3: if you're stressed. Do you know the three biggest killers

484
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Speaker 3: of our sex drive are stress? Trauma and shame, Like

485
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: if you're stressed and anxious, you got a spiking cortisole.

486
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Speaker 3: It literally cannot live with being turned on? Yeah, can's

487
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Speaker 3: each other all day? You're like, why can't I get

488
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: out in the bedroom. It's like, because you actually are stressed.

489
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Speaker 3: So they're just knowledge that people don't realize. Then the

490
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Speaker 3: first one, Yeah, so your health and wellness, your health

491
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 3: and that it's your collaboration. How well do you communicate

492
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Speaker 3: about sex? So most people Rachel, never talk about sex,

493
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Speaker 3: like we're saying, and then they don't certainly don't talk

494
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Speaker 3: to their partners about it. So then they expect their

495
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Speaker 3: partners a mind reader and they should know what they want.

496
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Speaker 2: So I you know.

497
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Speaker 3: And the next one is self knowledge, like how well

498
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Speaker 3: do you know yourself? Like I had to realize I

499
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Speaker 3: know that there's certain times a day, maybe world I

500
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Speaker 3: want sex. A lot of times I don't, and people

501
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Speaker 3: assume that I'm like having sex all the time.

502
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Speaker 1: No, I'm like anyone else that's like me get stressed

503
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Speaker 1: and changing twenty times a day?

504
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Speaker 3: Hell Rachel, Well no, Hell, I'm like, are you kidding?

505
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: Like I do not want sex? In fact, I know

506
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Speaker 3: what I do What I do know is I know

507
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Speaker 3: how to handle it when I don't. I know when

508
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Speaker 3: and I want it when I don't. What has to

509
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Speaker 3: be happening, Like if it's cold in the house, there's

510
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Speaker 3: no way. If it's past ten o'clock in the weekday, no,

511
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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I sit down the barrier.

512
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Speaker 2: But people make assumptions.

513
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Speaker 1: It's just that No.

514
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Speaker 2: I know how to help people and help myself.

515
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Speaker 3: Just literally think about It's like food, Like if you

516
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 3: go to somebody and you're like deciding where to go,

517
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 3: You're like, I know that I don't like the food here,

518
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 3: but I like it here.

519
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 2: Same thing with sex, but we just never think.

520
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Speaker 3: About it because we just think it's it's like this

521
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 3: mysterious closer eyes and for the best. It's like you

522
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: have to It's like I help people kind of crack

523
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: the code on that so they could be their own

524
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: best advocates for what they want. It is related to

525
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: mental health because if we're depressed, if we're anterest not

526
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: feeling good in our bodies, all the things, which is

527
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 3: a lifetime journey. By the way, you never get to

528
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Speaker 3: all five pillars and feel like now I'm the most

529
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Speaker 3: sexually intelligent person out there's just a way to understand

530
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Speaker 3: where you're at and then how to connect more with

531
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Speaker 3: yourself and with your partner.

532
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Speaker 1: But yeah, on journey, so fascinated, it's so it's it's

533
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Speaker 1: so impressive, honestly, and fearless in a lot of ways,

534
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Speaker 1: because again, like I think anyone who can demystify and

535
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Speaker 1: open up the you know, conversation but really make it

536
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Speaker 1: like every day. I mean, I think it's it's not easy.

537
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: It's not easy to do, you know, but yet it's

538
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Speaker 1: the thing that everybody needs to talk about.

539
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: They need to Yeah, they do. They feel better. Like

540
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 3: that's the thing about listening to the podcasts. People will

541
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,120
Speaker 3: say to me, Oh, my boyfriend and I were driving

542
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: on a twelve hour road trip and we listen to

543
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: your podcast the whole time, And I was like, that

544
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: seems like a lot of time listening to my boy

545
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 3: But it's because if you listen a few times, it's

546
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: going to normalize it. You're like, oh, she talks about

547
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 3: it like, you know, Sonny with a chance of war

548
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 3: gas and you can do that.

549
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Speaker 2: We can talk about it. That's not a problem.

550
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have to normalize it. But the whole business.

551
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Speaker 3: Like I'm an entrepreneur like you. That part has not

552
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: been easy. You know, I've been doing this for on

553
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: my own, Razor, you know, buy the bootstraps. Building a

554
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: brand a business around it has been you know, that's

555
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: a journey for sure.

556
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Speaker 1: And how many books do you have, Emily? Now you

557
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: have more than one?

558
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: No, I have two bucks. I have two buffs, yes, And.

559
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Speaker 1: Can you tell our listeners what they're called, because I

560
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: think everybody's going to run out and grab it after.

561
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: Once called hot sex, one's called hot sex, and one's

562
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Speaker 3: called smart sex.

563
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure all the dudes are buying hot sex. Yes, exactly.

564
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Speaker 2: It's good.

565
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Speaker 3: It's actually pictures. It's great. It's like it's ten years old.

566
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: It was time for another book. It's like a lot

567
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: of pictures. I'm like, don't even you don't.

568
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: Have to read, just see what to do. That's we

569
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Speaker 2: all need tips, Rachel. We never got tips or we did?

570
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Speaker 2: Are we watch porn?

571
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Speaker 1: We just figured it out, girl, just figured it out.

572
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Speaker 2: It's no different.

573
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Speaker 1: It's better though, Yeah, I mean yeah, but I mean something.

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Speaker 1: I think probably a lot of people ask you or

575
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Speaker 1: would want to ask you, how do you suggest in

576
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Speaker 1: this day and age. And I know you don't have

577
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Speaker 1: your own kids, but I know you're around a lot

578
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: of kids and love kids, but a lot. How what

579
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Speaker 1: is your best sort of advice on how to talk

580
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Speaker 1: to kids? What age? Or does it vary based on

581
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: your like? What what is your like? Give me your

582
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: your thoughts on because I think that is the real

583
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: struggle for parents, because the Internet now has pretty much

584
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: done all the work, and not in a good way.

585
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

586
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

587
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: And so here's the thing I love you ass is

588
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: now that all my friends have teenagers and kids. This

589
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: is like I spend a lot of my time figuring

590
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Speaker 3: this out. So and I'm is that well. First, the

591
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 3: biggest challenge why it's so hard for parents is because

592
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: we haven't quite well. First, we were never having sex education,

593
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 3: and we've got issues around it too. We're like, maybe

594
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: we have shame around it, or maybe we grew up

595
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: in a religious upbringing where it wasn't okay, and so

596
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 3: we have to figure out why we're uncomfortable.

597
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 2: With it too. But it's also okay.

598
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Speaker 3: So, like the best way to start with your kids

599
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: is to say, you know, and your kids are twelve,

600
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 3: and minors just thirteen and just ten just thirteen ten. Okay,

601
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: so it's like, yeah, we got to start. So it

602
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: would mean like when you are watching something on TV.

603
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Speaker 3: For example, Let's say you're watching something and you see

604
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: something and you it's like using social media or using

605
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: media to ask them a question.

606
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: So let's say you're watching.

607
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: There's a relationship, and let's say there's a couple that

608
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: kisses or something happens, and you're like, you could stop

609
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: the TV and be like, so, what do you think

610
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: of that relationship?

611
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Speaker 2: What did that make you think? Do you guys have

612
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: any you know, what do you think? Yeah? And then

613
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: just just you start, even though they're young and they're like,

614
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: oh gross or whatever they do.

615
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: I said to me, Mommy, that's how you made me right,

616
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: Like when they kiss, That's how you and Daddy made

617
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: me right. And then and then you just pushed me

618
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: out and I came out with a big smile. Yep,

619
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. And I looked at each other.

620
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Speaker 1: But but Skyler, funny enough is like I know everything, Mom,

621
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: don't worry.

622
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: They don't know.

623
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 3: I mean, because what they're learning the mechanics, But so

624
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: you use examples and you say, yeah, well, you know,

625
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 3: there's a little more to it than that, would you

626
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 3: like to you know, and then you just sort of

627
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: it has to be do you want to know?

628
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Do you want to know?

629
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Speaker 3: Know what happens? You know how I have a vagina

630
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: and your dad has a penis? I mean, I know

631
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: it sounds like.

632
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 2: But you just give it to the eight.

633
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: You give them the information at the age is like

634
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: commensurate with their age, and you just continue to listen

635
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: and you ask questions and you use things, and so

636
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: when they say something like that, you could say, well,

637
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: let me just tell you actually what happens, but you

638
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 3: don't have to judgment around it. You just sort of

639
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 3: keep going and you could even say, you know, what's

640
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: so cool right now is that my parents didn't talk

641
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: to me about it because it was you know, it

642
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: was a different times. I'm learning too, I'm figuring out

643
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: the best way to parent you on this because i

644
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: want you to have all the information. But even at

645
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: this age, talking and about puberty, like letting them know

646
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: what to expect that you might have, you know, you

647
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: might start to feel at night, start to feel, you know,

648
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: your your penis gets harder, you'll have a dream or

649
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: this thing will happen. I know, but you have to

650
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: be like, that's totally okay, and just you know, if

651
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: you you have a question about it, you can ask

652
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: me about it. But I want you to be expecting

653
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: that it's because you have hormones and your body starts

654
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: to change at this time and you might be having

655
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: these thoughts and I just want you to feel okay,

656
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: And you have to bring it up often, like it's

657
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: like not every day, but the more repeated you are

658
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 3: and the more you normalize it, the more comfortable they're

659
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: going to feel to ask you questions. And if you

660
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: don't know the answer, it's okay to say let me

661
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: get back to you on that.

662
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: But I'm so glad you asked me.

663
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: I did that once with my little one because he

664
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: asked it such a young age, and I was like,

665
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: what do you want to know? You know? And we

666
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: kept it. Yeah, we kept it light, We kept it,

667
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: We kept it light. I think I went to an

668
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: animal reference. I think because they're really into animals and

669
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: they know animals and they understand that. So I was like, okay,

670
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: and then I was like, let me know when you

671
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: want to know more, you know.

672
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but sometimes they don't know.

673
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like like a lot of we

674
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 3: talked abo about their periods, right, which like girls will

675
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: start for developing breasts and you know boys, you could

676
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: say to them, you know that you might have a

677
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 3: growth spurt, or you might you know, have a penis

678
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: that grows, or your voice changes.

679
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes they have wet dreams.

680
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: You could say, you might get I have wet dreams

681
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: and this might happen in your sleep. But you just

682
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: are giving them the facts and you're just saying this

683
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: things could be happening. I want you to know that

684
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: it's totally normal and you can ask me anything about it.

685
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: But the problem is on is we don't know the

686
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: questions to ask. Like my mom always said to me,

687
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: you know, if you have any questions about sex, ask me,

688
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,479
Speaker 3: And much like your son, I was like, oh, I

689
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: know it all, but we really, you know, we don't

690
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: know what we don't know. So they might ask them

691
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: like why don't I have you know, puba carry out?

692
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: You can Everyone develops at their own time, so it's

693
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: just you can hit me just anytime.

694
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: I was like, or if you're lucky enough to know Emily.

695
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: You just pumped them to Emily too.

696
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 2: But I would love it. I talked to my nieces.

697
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: I was literally on a zoom last week with my

698
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: niece and like twenty five of her friends in college

699
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: like her is.

700
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: Like the thing in the whole entire I love it.

701
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: I pull out my vulva puppet and I'm like, you

702
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: know that's right behind me. I'm like, because they don't know,

703
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, here's your vulve, like this is your

704
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: clear and I'm showing them and that I have the penis.

705
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: Because they all want to know how to please their partners.

706
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, but this is your vagina. They all

707
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: look different, I literally do. And I'm like, they're like

708
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: aunt Emery out.

709
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: Just navigating.

710
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: No, no, they really they don't want to look between

711
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: their legs.

712
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 3: Women are grossed out. And here's a proble with women.

713
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: We are so disconnected from our bodies that we walk

714
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: around like we hate my bodies. My thoughts a rubbing together.

715
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: I forgot, And then we're like, but we think that

716
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: we should just get into the bedroom and feel amazing

717
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: and know what to do if we don't spend the

718
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 3: time being our own best.

719
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: Well I want it, okay, So I don't want to

720
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: take all your time, but I want to just ask

721
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: one more thing. What what is the most common issues

722
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: that you're presented with? Like what what are people constantly

723
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: like wanting you to talk about, like for women in

724
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: their like forties or fifties, Like, is there like I

725
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is like in relationship podcasts or

726
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: or just in general and counseling or anything else. It

727
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: seems to be there is a mid life crisis, right,

728
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: Like that is a very real thing, right, And whether

729
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: that's forty, whether that's fifty, whether it's fifty five, but

730
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I would imagine and just from like the people in

731
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, there is common threads as too. Okay,

732
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 1: sex drive don't you hear down I just hear a

733
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: lot of like disinterest. There's a lot of medications people

734
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: are taking freight like anxieties and different things, and that

735
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: obviously I'm sure you know this better than anyone impacts

736
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: sex drips. So I think I'm curious sort of what

737
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: the most common threads are that people come to like

738
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: females like age guys. I mean, I can sort of

739
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: figure that one out. But like I think i'm.

740
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: Girls, so like women.

741
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, women want to know, yeah, why they're not as

742
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: turned on anymore, why that, Yeah they're libido, they don't

743
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: want to have sex as much, and they get older, perimenopause, menopause,

744
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: they want to know why they're just like dry everywhere

745
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: and why they don't yeah feel great or waking and

746
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: all these things happen. So really I'm a big advocate

747
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: for HRT or hormone replacement therapy for a lot of women.

748
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: There was a lot of There was actually a really

749
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: you know, bunk study that came out in the early

750
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: two thousands that said that it was bad for women

751
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: to take estrogen, for which many many years before that

752
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: women were so for the last twenty years, women were

753
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: not getting this relief that they need because they were

754
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: told that it was directly really the cancer. But we

755
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: have found out now that it's really not. It's really

756
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: safe for most women to at least take vaginal estrogen

757
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: because it doesn't really transfer as much into your body,

758
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: but you could just use it. So anyway, I tell

759
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: women to also if you're on a medication or you're

760
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: on an antidepressant that is going to impact your sex drives.

761
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: So I think that what we find is later in

762
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: life is that this is always the case, to be honest,

763
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: because I hear from women in their twenties like I

764
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: moved with my boyfriend two years ago, and now I

765
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: don't want to have sex. So that's my challenges that

766
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: my listeners are all ages. You ask me, like, they're

767
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: literally eighteen to eighty five. Wow, and they're all ages.

768
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: And I think because it's so mysterious and we don't

769
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: we never really like understand all of it. So I

770
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: think in all ages, it's like you get to decide

771
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: what actually sex means to you. And the other thing

772
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: is that so much of sex again is for was

773
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: based on man a male's pleasure, like procreation. You can

774
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: only have sex in this one position, but that's the

775
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: position that actually doesn't feel the best for most women,

776
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 3: and women don't have as much pleasure that way. So

777
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: I just asked women, like, figure out what you actually

778
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: like by a vibrator, be okay not having sex as

779
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: often too, Like there's no like sex police, it's gonna

780
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: knock on your door and be like I hear you

781
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: only having sex once a month, like what's wrong.

782
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: Your husband, your husband, your boyfriend.

783
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: Well then we exactly.

784
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: Well then you got to say, like this is actually

785
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: what I need to feel. And that's what I tackle

786
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: my book, like figure out what you if you still

787
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: think that sex is important, because some people are like

788
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 3: I'm done, I'm out, I've had enough.

789
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: I actually don't ever need it again.

790
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 3: But if you're like, no, I'm really curious on how

791
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: I could start to like it again or start to

792
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: get into it, then then I've got tons in my

793
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: book what I talk about all the time, Like you

794
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: got to break it down into it's not just one thing,

795
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: Like I could give you a million positions and toys

796
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: and loops, but at the end of the day, it's

797
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: an inside job.

798
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, like everything so figuring it so layered.

799
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: It's so layered it is, and so you know that's

800
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you're having me on talk about but

801
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: also like yeah, I mean it's but.

802
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: It's it's so layered. But it's it's been a it's

803
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: been a journey.

804
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: They're also just being you know, having the business around

805
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: it too, and trying to it's amazing figure out how

806
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: to help more people when there's still so much shame

807
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: around it, like even the world is opening up to it,

808
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 3: but there's still like sponsors or brands or like I'm not.

809
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: Going to touch it. Yeah, so so there's still shame.

810
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: Like some parties people collect. You can tell when you go.

811
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: To a party, like like people go to dinner party

812
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: and there's like half rooms like I have a question,

813
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 3: and the half rooms like leaving the room because they

814
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 3: don't want to talk to you about right, It's like

815
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: the fronting.

816
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: So that's so wild, but yes, it's it's absolutely one

817
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: percent true, and I think getting less. So you know,

818
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: even just saying the word vagina was like a thing,

819
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like really definitely, like if

820
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: someone's saying on television, no, no, hell no. But somehow

821
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: penis is susceptible. It is.

822
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: When I started, I couldn't say it anyway. I was

823
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 3: do television and radio, like you can't say it. You

824
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: can't say peens, vagina, you can't say master. But they

825
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: were like nothing on the radio, and you couldn't on

826
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: TV and the morning shows like you can't, like you

827
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: can come on, you have to say intimacy. You know,

828
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: it's like you say, now they are they let me

829
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: bring vibrators on.

830
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: It's I know, it's the only day.

831
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: Get it Emily.

832
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: Long enough, ry long enough, people are ready for you.

833
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, Well, I love having you on. You're

834
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: such honestly really are such a game change, and I

835
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: love that you do this. I think so many people

836
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: are grateful that you do this. I think many people

837
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: are grateful and cult followers of sex with Emily, And

838
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: I think you're really important for young people, older people, yes,

839
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: but I really think that young people really need to

840
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: really need you the most, honestly, because it is this

841
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: weird thing. It's this weird thing. It's a weird thing

842
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: to talk about. It's still this very like she's a slut,

843
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: he gets all the girls, Okay, what is a slut? Like? What? Okay?

844
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: Why is she slut?

845
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: Like?

846
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: All the things right, and and then it's sort of

847
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: like what does that even mean? And what should we

848
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: be doing? And how is it you know, really hard?

849
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: How can it be respectful versus trashy? And how you

850
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: know all all the things. So I think that's a

851
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: whole nother layer and a whole nother book for you

852
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: just saying.

853
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it is Rachel and I have to say

854
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: that is my greatest passion right now is talking to

855
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: young people. And I do these little programs. So the

856
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: problem is, though, parents, you have to teach kids about sex. No,

857
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: you have to get parental signature to.

858
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: Get to sign up for eight yep, so eighteen and over.

859
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 3: Though, like I do these little boot camps for women

860
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: before they go to school and college like women and

861
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: I and I've done that the last few years, just

862
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: kind of tell them what they need to know, and

863
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: I go round to college campuses and so really though,

864
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, my because this is

865
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 3: like our future of these youth that need to know.

866
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: So I that is something I'm developing right now, developing

867
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: a course. And if anyone's listening and they're interested, like

868
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: they can just you know, email me DM me. But

869
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: we are developing a course for parents and for kids,

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Speaker 3: because I know it's awkward. I'm like, yeah, just tell

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Speaker 3: your kids about this. It's not fucking easy. So I'm

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Speaker 3: not I'm not like, yeah, just do this, turn.

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Speaker 2: Off the TV.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's so because parents again have to work

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Speaker 3: through their own stuff. Like I'm literally not there's very

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Speaker 3: few people who are doing what I'm It's why it's

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Speaker 3: so interesting because they're all coming up against it now,

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00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 3: be like, what the hell do I do? So I

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Speaker 3: know that I'm I'd love to tell parents just like

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Speaker 3: take this course and create and also get there.

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Speaker 1: I also think kids don't want to necessarily talk to

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Speaker 1: their parents, and then they also don't want to sit

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Speaker 1: there in a classroom with their peers, so.

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Speaker 2: Les, what do you do?

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Speaker 3: And then they might find porn on their phone and

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Speaker 3: you don't know they found poor And I think that

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Speaker 3: sex like.

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Speaker 2: That is not sex.

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Speaker 3: That is a start of the movie that was created

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Speaker 3: by a man for a man, and it's scripted, so like, no,

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Speaker 3: that's not sex. So the problem is when kids are like, well,

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Speaker 3: what if that's not sex?

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Speaker 1: What is?

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Speaker 2: And then they're like how do I explain this? So

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Speaker 2: I'm on it, Rachel, I'm on.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 2: I'm developing programs. But I love it. Really it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm grateful for you. This was so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I love what you're doing. And I'm obviously everybody knows

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. All right, you guys, everyone sex with Emily.

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Speaker 1: You gotta listen, you gotta check it out. And got

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Speaker 1: her new buck, got her new book all right Love. Thanks,

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00:39:53,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: have an awesome day and a great week. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much to Emily for being on Clembian Hills. Truly,

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Speaker 1: her work to destigmatize sex and change the conversation around

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Speaker 1: it is so important. Yes, for us, I think as

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Speaker 1: adults of any age. To me, I think even more

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Speaker 1: so for young people because I think just the way

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Speaker 1: we all grew up was like, don't talk about it,

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Speaker 1: don't mention your private parts, don't mention this different nicknames

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00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: for all your body parts, and don't talk about it

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Speaker 1: in school, don't mention it to your friend, definitely don't

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Speaker 1: say that around your dad, you know, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think that ultimately, to Emily's point, I think

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Speaker 1: it really impacts your mental your emotional health, and just

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Speaker 1: your confidence in yourself, how you carry yourself. And like

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Speaker 1: I think, similar to the way that I've always approached

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Speaker 1: fashion and style and people's fear of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the way that I truly believe it affects your confidence,

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Speaker 1: I believe it's the same here, honestly, And I think

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Speaker 1: the more that we normalize it, the more we really

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Speaker 1: lift the stigmafit, say, the words, talk about it in

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Speaker 1: a room, and make it normal. I think the more

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Speaker 1: relaxed and normal it will be, and the less weird

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Speaker 1: and the less invasive and the less scary to everybody.

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Speaker 1: So I want to thank you all so much for

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Speaker 1: listening to Climbing and Heels. If you haven't already, please

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the iHeart app,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts so you don't miss

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Speaker 1: a single episode this season. It's going to be so good.

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Speaker 1: And be sure to follow me on Instagram at at

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Speaker 1: Rachel z Oh and the show at Climbing Inhalepod for

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Speaker 1: the latest episodes and updates. I will talk to you

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Speaker 1: all soon. Wow.