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Speaker 2: What is up, Dolphans and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Travis Wingfield And on today's show,
Speaker 2: we have officially made it to week number one of
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four NFL season. But before we get
Speaker 2: into the preview content later on this week, we're going
Speaker 2: to catch you up on the latest around the team,
Speaker 2: including a contract extension for head coach Mike McDaniel. We'll
Speaker 2: also hear from coach on the offensive line as well
Speaker 2: as Lester Cotton and Leah Mikenberg, who had some really
Speaker 2: good media availabilities last week in open locker Room. I
Speaker 2: want to go ahead and share some of those chats
Speaker 2: with you guys as we break down that group heading
Speaker 2: into the season. Plus the practice squad continues to round
Speaker 2: into shape and the roster in general. I have some
Speaker 2: thoughts on some of the newcomers and guys I'm big
Speaker 2: fans of their game and what they offer. And last
Speaker 2: but not least. The Fish Tank Iconic series debuts tomorrow
Speaker 2: night on the Dolphins YouTube channel at seven o'clock. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get Seth and Juice here on the podcast talk
Speaker 2: about that project and what all went into that amazing
Speaker 2: piece of content and of course that amazing game back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four when the Dolphins down the Patriots
Speaker 2: on opening Day. From the Baptist Hill Studios inside the
Speaker 2: Baptist Hills Training Complex. This is.
Speaker 3: The Drive Time podcast.
Speaker 4: That's another Miami.
Speaker 2: Dolphins big news over the weekend, or actually really it
Speaker 2: came out right after our Friday podcast published. The head
Speaker 2: coach Mike McDaniel has a contract extension that we'll keep
Speaker 2: them with the team through at least twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: A coach, of course, coach has produced some of the
Speaker 2: most fun football teams of a Dolphins fan of a age,
Speaker 2: his entire life. I mean, we've had this conversation on
Speaker 2: the show before. It was twenty five years between top
Speaker 2: ten offenses for your Miami Dolphins, and they've built this
Speaker 2: thing pretty quickly here under head coach Mike McDaniel. He,
Speaker 2: of course, with his quarterback have a long term extension
Speaker 2: in place, so they should be tied together for the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future and the continuity this provides, not just from
Speaker 2: a head coaching standpoint, but what he's developed on the
Speaker 2: offensive staff with Frank Smith being here, Darryl Bevill, Eric Studisville,
Speaker 2: with John Embry, Butch Berry, Wes Welker, all these guys
Speaker 2: have really built up some time here and you figure
Speaker 2: or hope that can continue into the future. And of course,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're successful enough, you might lose some
Speaker 2: of those coaches. But I think going into this year,
Speaker 2: you've kind of learned the value of continuity on your
Speaker 2: coaching staff, something that Dolphins, especially offensively, just have not
Speaker 2: had in a very long time. You've heard players give
Speaker 2: their testimonials about, you know, head coach Mike McDaniel and
Speaker 2: how they love playing for him, they respond to him,
Speaker 2: and I think that you can kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: etch that back to proof with regards to people loving
Speaker 2: the Dolphins' entire makeup and program and wanting to be here.
Speaker 2: When you look at the free agent acquisitions and the
Speaker 2: guys that have lined up to come down here. I
Speaker 2: mean Kalaias Campbell has spoken many times about taking less
Speaker 2: money to come play for his hometown team and how
Speaker 2: excited he is to play for the new head coach.
Speaker 2: You look at a player like Odell Beckham coming down
Speaker 2: here for you know, similar reasons, talking about taking less
Speaker 2: to come play for the Dolphins and the role that
Speaker 2: he can have in their offense. Getting Tyreek Hill here.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be here, you know, as bad as
Speaker 2: anybody else. It just up and down the roster, you
Speaker 2: have players that wanted to be here to play for
Speaker 2: head coach Mike McDaniel, Jalen Ramsey last year, Kendall Fuller,
Speaker 2: and how fortunate we are to have this guy, you know,
Speaker 2: back to back winning seasons, back to back playoff seasons
Speaker 2: here under coach. So let's go ahead and spend this
Speaker 2: thing forward to coach McDaniel, who spoke about his contract
Speaker 2: extension and Monday's media availability.
Speaker 5: The congratulations goes to the to the organization. I think
Speaker 5: you there's a lot of people that live you up
Speaker 5: to give you the opportunity to become a head coach.
Speaker 5: But once you become a head coach for for that
Speaker 5: program to sustain, that takes each and every person involved
Speaker 5: in it. So I see that's an accomplishment as a
Speaker 5: for the organization, and there was a neat moment, as
Speaker 5: you'd phrase it. It was I had dinner over at
Speaker 5: a mister Rossi's house a couple of weeks ago, so
Speaker 5: it was a great dinner.
Speaker 4: I ate all of my steak I did, I did.
Speaker 5: They gave me minimal so they anticipated that.
Speaker 6: But I don't need.
Speaker 2: Man talk about a great offseason. McDaniel, Tua, Tyreek Waddle
Speaker 2: all getting either extensions or pay raises that I should
Speaker 2: attach them to the team for for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: So the things that have produced these top ranked offenses,
Speaker 2: they ain't going anywhere, and that's true, be very exciting
Speaker 2: for all Dolphins fans everywhere. Also, we have had a
Speaker 2: lot of roster shakeups since our initial fifty three man
Speaker 2: roster was announced, and you know this could even change
Speaker 2: as we go live here on the show when this produces,
Speaker 2: because it's a league of constant change and roster turnover.
Speaker 2: But I want to go ahead and update you guys
Speaker 2: on the latest practice squad for the Miami Dolphins, because
Speaker 2: I think last week talked we had like eight or
Speaker 2: nine players on that list and now it's rounding into form.
Speaker 3: So here's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: As of this taping, Tim Boyle, Robbie Chosen is back,
Speaker 2: and he is a receiver that was with us last year,
Speaker 2: who knows the offense, who spent time with the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers this offseason in a similar offense, and I
Speaker 2: think that kind of validates, you know, Chosen's ability to
Speaker 2: find his footing within the system. For a guy like
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan to say, you were in a similar offense
Speaker 2: last year and we think you can come here and
Speaker 2: be productive. Of course, he doesn't make the opening day
Speaker 2: roster for them and winds up back on the Dolphins
Speaker 2: practice squad in his you know, former stomping grounds where
Speaker 2: he grew up in the state of Florida. So he
Speaker 2: comes back to give the Dolphins some depth on the
Speaker 2: practice squad, along with Eric Azukama, who did not make
Speaker 2: the initial fifty three, but he's back in that same capacity.
Speaker 2: And then another receiver that I wanted to put some
Speaker 2: notes on here because I was a huge fan of
Speaker 2: his coming out of Western Michigan is d Es Gridge
Speaker 2: and he did not have, you know, the career that
Speaker 2: I'm sure he wanted to have with the Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 2: and here he finds himself on the Dolphins practice squad.
Speaker 2: But when you think about his game and what he
Speaker 2: features and what makes him a prominent prospect or didn't
Speaker 2: make him a prominent prospect, I should say it's a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that the Dolphins ask of their
Speaker 2: receivers here and with him and Aszukama and Grant Dubos,
Speaker 2: you can kind of see the thinking behind the depth
Speaker 2: in the receiver's room as we know, work to get
Speaker 2: River Craycraft back and eventually Odell Beckham Junior as well.
Speaker 2: And you saw the last two years, you know, Tua
Speaker 2: or rather Tyreek and Waddell, they come out and they
Speaker 2: get some rep some rest in between their reps because
Speaker 2: all the motions and vertical routes they run, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of running and it's a lot of conditioning that
Speaker 2: goes into that and to keep them fresh and to
Speaker 2: keep them available for them. As many many vertical routes
Speaker 2: they run, the Dolphins like to swap in a rotate
Speaker 2: receivers and you can oftentimes do that down in the
Speaker 2: red area when you're looking at you know, some run
Speaker 2: heavy type of situations with your offense. And I think
Speaker 2: that when you think about some of the swapouts they've
Speaker 2: had for for Reak and Waddle down there, it's been
Speaker 2: like Cedric Wilson, it's been River Craycraft. It's been these
Speaker 2: guys that are really exceptional run blockers. And that's exactly
Speaker 2: what I see with both Grant Dubos and d s Gridge.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and we'll get to Dobos here in
Speaker 2: one second, but es Gridge on top of that, he
Speaker 2: has really exceptional balance and a good center of gravity
Speaker 2: that keeps him through contact and keeps him on his
Speaker 2: feet through contact. And I think that with what that
Speaker 2: can do from a blocking standpoint and a ball carrier standpoint,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's akin to what John hus Smith
Speaker 2: offers in the sense of when you send him across
Speaker 2: the formation, it could be as a blocker, but it
Speaker 2: could also.
Speaker 3: Be as a ball carrier.
Speaker 2: And that just gives defenses against an offense that does
Speaker 2: this as well as anybody else in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: It gives them that extra fraction of a second of pause,
Speaker 2: which creates urgency to get to the perimeter, which creates overplay,
Speaker 2: which creates an opportunity for McDaniel to create a playoff
Speaker 2: of that is not enough creation for you guys. But
Speaker 2: that's the thinking I think with receivers like this, and
Speaker 2: especially with Grant Dubo's who you pull up his tape
Speaker 2: from the preseason or you go back to Charlotte in college.
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure he's not the best run blocking
Speaker 2: receiver in the entire program right now. I mean, go
Speaker 2: back and watch his clips for the Packers last year
Speaker 2: or in this preseason. I should say he was hitting
Speaker 2: some down blocks where he wiped dudes out and he
Speaker 2: was bodying them up. And you know, I watched the
Speaker 2: Colorado and North Dakota State game on Thursday night. What
Speaker 2: a great game that was. By the way, Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is an absolute star. I think Shouder Sara's gonna be
Speaker 2: pretty good too. But I was watching some of the
Speaker 2: plays where they'd get runs to the second level and
Speaker 2: the receivers didn't really have much of an interest in
Speaker 2: hitting blocks at that level. And it reminds me of
Speaker 2: the coaching Clint that McDaniel once did where he discussed,
Speaker 2: you know, this is a key element of our offense.
Speaker 2: And this is when he was in San Francisco, like,
Speaker 2: we can have four yard runs if you guys want.
Speaker 2: But if we're going to hit explosives in the running
Speaker 2: game like we want, we better have some blockers on
Speaker 2: the edge that hold their blocks and create those opportunities
Speaker 2: for our backs when they do find room at the
Speaker 2: second level. And that's what Debos looks like to me.
Speaker 2: On top of that, he is a very very good
Speaker 2: contested catch guy. He's not going to create a ton
Speaker 2: of separation, or at least that's not why he's been
Speaker 2: so far in his career and in college. But I
Speaker 2: think back to that go route, that quick read, you know,
Speaker 2: vertical shot to River Craycraft that Twa threw for the
Speaker 2: touchdown on his loan preseason possession back against the Commanders
Speaker 2: a few weeks back, and it's a similar look to
Speaker 2: what I've seen from Grant to Bosa's film, where he's
Speaker 2: the boundary receiver, the X receiver right the short side
Speaker 2: of the field and all the overplay that you get
Speaker 2: from the atten created on the front side of the
Speaker 2: formation from Reeke and Waddle, from Johnavis Smith and Von Hham.
Speaker 2: You put your big body X in the backside and
Speaker 2: if they roll coverage to create a one on one
Speaker 2: situation over there, it's a good look for two or
Speaker 2: to throw into and he makes a lot of those
Speaker 2: catches when he gets those looks. So I think there's
Speaker 2: a clear fit for a role on this team. Not
Speaker 2: to mention what he offers as a special teamer because
Speaker 2: he busts his butt down. There's you know, they don't
Speaker 2: have the wedge anymore, but if they did, he is
Speaker 2: a classic wedge buster, a guy that can run through
Speaker 2: blocks and go get a punt returner or a kick
Speaker 2: returner to the ground in quick succession.
Speaker 3: So I am a huge, huge.
Speaker 2: Fan of this grant to boast addition to the back
Speaker 2: end of your receiving Corps Special teams value and really
Speaker 2: really good work in the running game, which is for
Speaker 2: a guy that you know in that position typically you
Speaker 2: think like eight twelve, maybe fifteen snaps in a game.
Speaker 2: Hey man, if that's what we need from you, to
Speaker 2: go run one takeof from that boundary position for that
Speaker 2: ex position and go hit one key block on a
Speaker 2: raheem most of our touchdown run.
Speaker 3: That's value.
Speaker 2: And I know we were talking about practice squad there
Speaker 2: and got kind of sidetracked. Let's go ahead and go
Speaker 2: back to the practice squad here, because granted to both
Speaker 2: is on the fifty three man roster, so Tim Boyle,
Speaker 2: who comes over from the Jets. He had time in
Speaker 2: the system previously when he was with the Green Bay
Speaker 2: Packers under Matt Lafleur. I shouldn't say the system, but
Speaker 2: an offshoot of the system or a similar branch of
Speaker 2: the scheme mentioned. Robbie chosen d s Gridge. Jordan Colbert,
Speaker 2: the safety, had a nice preseason. He comes back on
Speaker 2: the practice squad. Eric Azukama Jonathan Harris is a guy
Speaker 2: that I think is in line to get in season
Speaker 2: elevations because I thought he showed pretty well in the preseason.
Speaker 2: Has a clear fit in this defense for what he
Speaker 2: can do up front. Chasing Hines comes back to the
Speaker 2: practice squad. To Kwan Jackson was a late addition to
Speaker 2: the Dolphins roster in training camp. He does enough in
Speaker 2: his short time to earn a spot on the practice squad.
Speaker 2: And Isaiah Johnson is a cornerback that I think can
Speaker 2: play at this level. His length when you watch him
Speaker 2: walk around at practice, he can scratch his knees just
Speaker 2: ending straight up. He has insane length and physicality. I
Speaker 2: think that tracks with you know what you need at
Speaker 2: the position in today's NFL, So I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: watching his career develop here. And then one more guy
Speaker 2: I wanted to kind of break down for you is
Speaker 2: Nakuon Jones, the newcomer from Arizona, a nose tackle who
Speaker 2: eat up a lot of space, eats up a lot
Speaker 2: of blocks, and has a very quick first step with
Speaker 2: the ability to kind of stack and shed. And you
Speaker 2: heard Chris Greer talk about how excited he was to
Speaker 2: add Nakwon Jones back at his press conference last week.
Speaker 2: I think this is a guy in a defense that
Speaker 2: you know, from Anthony Weaver's perspective last year in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: what did he have alongside justin Matdebuke, but someone like
Speaker 2: Michael Pierce who's three hundred and fifty pounds, but Nito
Speaker 2: Jones kind of fits that mold a true nose tackle.
Speaker 2: I think Nakwon Jones is the next best nose tackle
Speaker 2: on this team, where Brandon Peely and the like kind
Speaker 2: of you know, can play some nose but I think
Speaker 2: they're best suited for you know, one shades and three
Speaker 2: techniques and kind of kicking further out in the formation defensively.
Speaker 2: So very excited about that. We also have Nick Needham
Speaker 2: coming back to the practice squad. What a great veteran
Speaker 2: addition he is. You lose a player in the secondary
Speaker 2: for a game, what a great option to have off
Speaker 2: your practice squad for elevation, to come help you on
Speaker 2: special teams, to come be a sub package, you know,
Speaker 2: safety or cornerback because he can do both of those roles.
Speaker 2: Very very valuable piece of the practice squad here. And
Speaker 2: then of course tight end Hayden Rucci on the practice
Speaker 2: squad after a strong preseason. And then the three most
Speaker 2: recent additions of the Dolphins practice squad linebacker William Bradley King,
Speaker 2: tackle Anderson Hardy, and running back Generic Prince. And that
Speaker 2: leaves one more spot open. As of this taping, we'll
Speaker 2: get you guys updated on the sixteen member of the
Speaker 2: Dolphins practice squad, plus bidro Matt Doos who is the
Speaker 2: International Pathway exemption position as the seventeenth man who cannot
Speaker 2: play this year. He will be here all year getting
Speaker 2: some work in developing his game. So there you go,
Speaker 2: break number one right there. Let's come back on the
Speaker 2: other side and talk about this Dolphins offensive line. I
Speaker 2: have some great quotes from head coach Mike McDaniel also
Speaker 2: talked to Liam Eichenberg and Lester Cotton in the locker room.
Speaker 2: That's next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought
Speaker 2: to you by AutoNation. Segment number two take us back
Speaker 2: into a hot topic surrounding this Dolphins football team this year.
Speaker 2: And you know, the results are the results, and they
Speaker 2: speak for themselves for this Dolphins offense. And I know
Speaker 2: it's been much bandied about on social media and the
Speaker 2: like about the investment into the Dolphins offensive line, which
Speaker 2: if you take a look at the tackle position between
Speaker 2: toront Armstead as a free agent, between Austin Jackson's contract
Speaker 2: extension last year, between drafting a tackle in the second
Speaker 2: round of Patrick Paul who has the look of a
Speaker 2: real potential long term freak in this offense. As to
Speaker 2: Ron Armstead coined it earlier in training camp, this offense
Speaker 2: allows tackles to feel like playmakers, and it looks to
Speaker 2: me like Patrick Paul has the look of a playmaker
Speaker 2: at that left tackle position. Kendall Lamb gets a free
Speaker 2: agent or a returning contract, I should say, coming back
Speaker 2: to the Miami Dolphins, so they really invested in that spot.
Speaker 2: They went out and got Aaron Brewer as well. They've
Speaker 2: invested in developing players on the offensive line, which I
Speaker 2: think is going to be a critical piece of.
Speaker 3: How this whole thing comes together.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've talked about the Alex Gibbs coaching
Speaker 2: clinic in the nineties at that Marriott and Unknown locations
Speaker 2: where he talks about how this offensive system, he was
Speaker 2: the O line coach for the Denver Broncos under Mike Shanahan,
Speaker 2: how we value the position unlike anybody else in the NFL,
Speaker 2: look for different traits than anybody else in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And you know, covered those Broncos offensive lines that were
Speaker 2: full of seventh and tenth round draft picks and undrafted
Speaker 2: free agents up and down the board, that didn't have
Speaker 2: a single draft pick ahead of the third round, on
Speaker 2: that team that won back to back champions It's championships.
Speaker 2: It has been a long tried and true method of
Speaker 2: how this whole thing is built, how it operates, based
Speaker 2: upon that continuity and consistency of that group. And you
Speaker 2: can look at, you know, the forty nine Ers offensive
Speaker 2: line right now with Trent Williams there or not, It's
Speaker 2: a similar looking build, a similar looking concept. It's mostly
Speaker 2: you know, day three picks and guys they spent time
Speaker 2: developing in their program that they feel offered them value
Speaker 2: compared to the rest of the league, and I think
Speaker 2: that you can really extrapolate from them and.
Speaker 3: See where they're going with that concept.
Speaker 2: And you know, I keep seeing this relevant comment or
Speaker 2: pertinent comment I should say on social media about all
Speaker 2: the teams that go deep in the playoffs are built
Speaker 2: for the offensive line, and I just I don't know
Speaker 2: where that sentiment comes from, because I looked at the
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers offensive line that started the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: last year, and there was a bunch of guys that
Speaker 2: great in the back half of their position groups on
Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus. Now, does Pro Football Focus have the exact,
Speaker 2: you know, scheme and assignment type of knowledge the Niners
Speaker 2: do for what works for their offensive line.
Speaker 3: Probably not. And that's why I think that, you know,
Speaker 3: taking a.
Speaker 2: Look at that from a general perspective, as the rest
Speaker 2: of the league look at the offensive line play and
Speaker 2: analysis looks at the offensive line play and PFF grades,
Speaker 2: you kind of have to do it differently because it's
Speaker 2: coached and it's taught, and it's ran differently here in Miami.
Speaker 2: So I think it's worth touching on that to go
Speaker 2: back to more examples. Look at the twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: Bengals offensive line and that Super Bowl Four of the
Speaker 2: five guys are are not on like first team rosters
Speaker 2: right now, and half of them are.
Speaker 3: On practice squad.
Speaker 2: So I just push back on that sentiment that you
Speaker 2: have to build a team a certain way. I think
Speaker 2: it's been proven time and time again that you don't
Speaker 2: have to prioritize the trenches first.
Speaker 3: Above all, I.
Speaker 2: Think this team has done a good job of building
Speaker 2: a roster that has the second most top one hundred
Speaker 2: players in the National Football League, and those are scattered
Speaker 2: across the premium positions in the National Football League. Right quarterback, receiver,
Speaker 2: left tackle, cornerback, edge rusher. Those are the five premium spots.
Speaker 2: That's where the Dolphins really invests the most in as
Speaker 2: you look at this roster, and it's paid off for
Speaker 2: them in a big way. So I just wanted to
Speaker 2: get that diatribe out there ahead of some commentary here
Speaker 2: from head coach Mike McDaniel, who first talked about his
Speaker 2: confidence on the offensive line. We'll come back and hear
Speaker 2: from him on what I think is one of the
Speaker 2: most important aspects of this group is the continuity and
Speaker 2: development of the guys that they have invested in on
Speaker 2: the offensive line. First, here's Coach on his confidence in
Speaker 2: this Miami offensive line.
Speaker 5: I feel very confident in where we're at from the
Speaker 5: offensive line position, and that confidence comes from all not
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three or or a version that maybe people
Speaker 5: are exposed to. I'm talking about twenty twenty four of
Speaker 5: these individuals and the group and what I've watched every
Speaker 5: practice and the you know, or even to the point
Speaker 5: of how we blocked Atlanta's defensive line and joint versus
Speaker 5: a year ago. The group itself has given me confidence
Speaker 5: because I don't base any of my thoughts or opinions
Speaker 5: on the former, former production or the former self of someone.
Speaker 5: I let them define what they are right in front
Speaker 5: of me that day. So there's the group is give
Speaker 5: me more confidence at the O line position really in general,
Speaker 5: that I've had since I've been here.
Speaker 2: And looking at the group up and down, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's all guys that have been here for the most
Speaker 2: part for three years under head coach Mike McDaniel and
Speaker 2: Aaron Brewers new but he's probably the literally the best
Speaker 2: scheme fit in this offense in the entire National Football
Speaker 2: League from an explosive, get off the football type of
Speaker 2: perspective and his ability to create positive angles and stretch
Speaker 2: the defense horizontally that they want to execute here. But
Speaker 2: Rob Jones in his third year in the system, Lester
Speaker 2: Cotton his third year in the system, Liam Mikenberg and
Speaker 2: his third year in the system. I mean, it's up
Speaker 2: and down the roster, Tron, Austin Jackson, the tackles like
Speaker 2: everybody's been here, you know, since the start, and that
Speaker 2: level of stability to kind of piggyback off of that
Speaker 2: McDaniel extension talk and keeping his offensive staff intact. That
Speaker 2: proves beneficial for pretty much every team that can achieve that,
Speaker 2: And so I thought it was important to put that
Speaker 2: on tape and to go ahead and ask this question
Speaker 2: to coach about your guys's biggest investments this offseason, the
Speaker 2: offensive line, or the majority of them, I should say,
Speaker 2: was retaining incumbents. Can you tell us about the value
Speaker 2: of continuity and chemistry on an offensive line that has
Speaker 2: to work and seek, has to work in tandem, has
Speaker 2: to understand angles and double teams, and when to catch
Speaker 2: and climb at the right spots. Here's coach McDaniel on
Speaker 2: all those topics regarding the Dolphins offensive line.
Speaker 5: Well, particularly in the way we play football. That you
Speaker 5: would be well, I've just had the fortune of being
Speaker 5: in the same system for eighteen years and in that
Speaker 5: process you learn that it's if you prejudge something early
Speaker 5: in the process and understanding how to truly execute this scheme.
Speaker 5: If you take that as the if you take a
Speaker 5: player in year one and forecast that as being how
Speaker 5: he will be in the system, you're wrong way more
Speaker 5: than you're right. So that uh, and then you just
Speaker 5: get so much invaluable information from each and every player
Speaker 5: when you go through the through a journey of the
Speaker 5: journey of a season. And in that you know, I know,
Speaker 5: if we didn't have the right type of a combination
Speaker 5: of people and uh skill set, we we wouldn't have
Speaker 5: just stay stayed steadfast or or the moves would probably
Speaker 5: be a lot different. I think you react to what
Speaker 5: people uh, you know, what people show you who they
Speaker 5: are day in day out. In this in this circumstance,
Speaker 5: we had some some guys that were really buying in
Speaker 5: that started to uh make plays in their perspective, roles
Speaker 5: and assignments, and you know, uh so you you you
Speaker 5: decide that, hey, no, I want to invest in these
Speaker 5: in these guys more. Uh what I can say honestly
Speaker 5: from uh you know, hours upon hours upon hours of
Speaker 5: instruction and then evaluation, the group has really you know,
Speaker 5: proven proven the organization right into believe in believing in
Speaker 5: them based upon how they are performing, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: I would what would be interesting is asking, uh, any
Speaker 5: any you know veteran defensive linemen on the different versions
Speaker 5: of of players that that you know, the different version
Speaker 5: of Leah Eikenberg when when we got here into where
Speaker 5: he is now, the different version of Austin Jackson. It
Speaker 5: goes across the board, and you know, I think it
Speaker 5: speaks to even Toront Armstead is feeling more confident in
Speaker 5: his game than he ever has in his career. And
Speaker 5: you're talking about one of those guys that's one of
Speaker 5: those super athletes that is the fastest o line ever
Speaker 5: Oligneman ever at the combine in where he's at in
Speaker 5: his game, feeling more confident in playing football than he
Speaker 5: ever has in his career. That's because there's a group
Speaker 5: of people diligently working at the craft, excited to make
Speaker 5: a name for themselves under the current version of who
Speaker 5: they are in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: I want to finish up this segment with five soundbites,
Speaker 2: three from Liam Mikenberg, two from Lester Cotton. And the
Speaker 2: question posed first here to Liam was what's your perspective
Speaker 2: on the idea that the Dolphins look for different things
Speaker 2: on the offensive line that other places across the National
Speaker 2: Football League. Here was the perspective from the Dolphins fourth
Speaker 2: year offensive lineman who's played all five spots here.
Speaker 7: I think it's all about being coachable. I think that's
Speaker 7: the biggest thing. I think a lot of guys on
Speaker 7: the O line are used to kind of just being
Speaker 7: like Malers and just grabbing guys.
Speaker 4: And using like bruts shrine.
Speaker 7: But I say, with this style of offense in like
Speaker 7: a wide zone, like you're talking about it, like, it's
Speaker 7: so important the technique and the fundamentals, and you need
Speaker 7: to be able to be coached into like the footwork
Speaker 7: and also like your hand placement, head placement, and I
Speaker 7: think that is like the biggest key, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean. Obviously like athletic season matters, but I think
Speaker 7: if you can't get down the get down, like the fundamentals,
Speaker 7: it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 2: And that answer is why I think butcher Berry was
Speaker 2: so valuable and offers so much to the Dolphins franchise
Speaker 2: because he harps on those every single day and we
Speaker 2: hear the players communicate how open he is to their
Speaker 2: ideas and their interpret pations of what the Dolphins you know,
Speaker 2: schemes and fundamentals are for an offensive lineman, and that
Speaker 2: collaboration has produced, you know, good results in the first
Speaker 2: year under butch Berry. Let's go ahead and play one
Speaker 2: more line here from Liam Eichenberg, who was asked about
Speaker 2: the positive reinforcement he heard from Chris Career last week in
Speaker 2: his press conference.
Speaker 3: Here's Liam once again.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think it's it's something we work
Speaker 7: on improving on every single day. I mean, if you
Speaker 7: watch our individual I think we have a good group
Speaker 7: of guys who work hard. We care about the technique,
Speaker 7: the fundamentals, and like going out there and trying to
Speaker 7: improve every day and bringing a good attitude. And I
Speaker 7: think it matters, you know. I think I think that's
Speaker 7: like the most important thing.
Speaker 3: You gotta love. Locker room audio don't you. Let's go
Speaker 3: ahead and finish up.
Speaker 2: One last SoundBite here from Liam when he was discussing
Speaker 2: kind of the internal confidence of this Dolphins offensive line room.
Speaker 7: I think I know what we're capable of, and I'm not.
Speaker 7: I don't know if they're sleeping. I have no idea,
Speaker 7: but I know we're capable of. I know we did
Speaker 7: no ts and what we did in preseason and practice,
Speaker 7: and I'm looking forward.
Speaker 4: To the season.
Speaker 2: So a couple of similar questions here for Lester Cotton.
Speaker 2: The first one was asked, how is this line different
Speaker 2: than what you've done in the past in your career, college,
Speaker 2: pros or otherwise.
Speaker 8: There's an offense, Butch and Mike and Frank, they're all
Speaker 8: looking for runners. So in this in this on this team,
Speaker 8: you gotta bed and run. So your conditioner has to
Speaker 8: be top tier. Like you can't, you know, because you
Speaker 8: play like sixty plays a game, right, So you gotta
Speaker 8: be able to run for sixty plays. So that's that's
Speaker 8: that's all. That's how I see it. We're just his
Speaker 8: offense is about running, So I just try to get
Speaker 8: on my horse and run as fast as I can.
Speaker 2: The follow up question there for Lester was a little
Speaker 2: bit louder than what he was saying, so I cut
Speaker 2: it off there. But he wants to run as fast
Speaker 2: as he can there, I didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: get more loud audio into your guys' ears right there.
Speaker 2: He was then also asked about preferable weight and kind
Speaker 2: of building your body for the system. And this is
Speaker 2: really good insight here, I thought from Lester Cotton, as.
Speaker 8: An alphas alma, you always want to adjust to the scheme.
Speaker 8: So me coming from you know, duo scheme where it's
Speaker 8: just you know, just wadle off the ball, and you
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, be heavy and fit.
Speaker 6: I could afford to.
Speaker 8: Be ablet heavy. I have it from Crowns right. But
Speaker 8: now I done could a lot of weight, and so
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to do what my coach is asking
Speaker 8: me to do and just try to do it as
Speaker 8: fast ability there if I can.
Speaker 2: I wanted to play those sound bites and run through
Speaker 2: the stuff there from Lester because I just thought it
Speaker 2: was really instructive, especially when you content or when you
Speaker 2: consider where Lester was and what he showed in the
Speaker 2: preseason games this year, which looked pretty dang good to
Speaker 2: me versus you know, his first year in the system
Speaker 2: when he was trying to get things down. So I
Speaker 2: think it's worth, you know, investing in understanding the idea
Speaker 2: of growth and continuity and chemistry on this offensive line.
Speaker 2: Last break right here, come back on the other side
Speaker 2: and run my interview with Seth Levit and OJ McDuffie
Speaker 2: talking about Fish Tank Iconic, which premiere is tomorrow night
Speaker 2: on the Dolphins YouTube channel at seven o'clock. That's next
Speaker 2: Draft Time podcast. Your host, Travis Wingfield, brought to you
Speaker 2: by Auto Nation, the brethren of the Dolphins podcast network,
Speaker 2: jumps back in for the first time and quite frankly
Speaker 2: too long my guesterday from the Fish Tank Podcast, Seth Levitt,
Speaker 2: Oj McDuffie. Seth, what's going on, man, it's been it's
Speaker 2: been about a year now. We got to rectify that.
Speaker 2: I guess we're doing it right now, but we got
Speaker 2: to get you guys back on more regularly. Here.
Speaker 9: Well, juice, it tells me something, right, Like everything is
Speaker 9: a tell you know, we're some poker players in here,
Speaker 9: and we see Travis or talk to Travis or text
Speaker 9: with Travis daily like incessantly, right all day, all night,
Speaker 9: last night. I think eleven thirty five was the last
Speaker 9: text before we all wish to each other good night
Speaker 9: and so kind of us where I sit next to
Speaker 9: him in the press box, we do the postgame show.
Speaker 9: Why is it that it does take a year or
Speaker 9: more for us to get on the drive time? He's
Speaker 9: telling us something.
Speaker 4: He's big time bixcepth He's a big time for us. Man.
Speaker 4: We gotta fit into his schedule, Bro, and I thank
Speaker 4: goodness we were able to do so, you know, know
Speaker 4: with this one right here. So we'll just get in
Speaker 4: when we fit in.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 4: That's how we were I know.
Speaker 9: I mean, he's only doing a show every day, so
Speaker 9: it is tough to find to find an opportunity to
Speaker 9: squeeze us in now.
Speaker 3: To be fair, I have shoehorned a few of the
Speaker 3: radio segments.
Speaker 2: And so you guys, in spirit, your voices, thoughts are
Speaker 2: on the show, maybe not live and in the flesh here,
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't get a chance to ask
Speaker 2: you guys questions to update those types of thoughts and takes,
Speaker 2: but you're here, You're part of the podcast every single
Speaker 2: every single year we do this.
Speaker 3: Obviously, thank you for that.
Speaker 6: That was a great pr guy move. You might have
Speaker 6: made a good guy.
Speaker 2: Real I've heard a few, you know, examples from yourself,
Speaker 2: from Harvey Green, from you doing oh My Guy, and
Speaker 2: speaking of that, that's that's why we have you guys
Speaker 2: here on the show today to promote, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: the best project I've seen in my five years of
Speaker 2: doing Dolphins content for the organization, and first of all,
Speaker 2: the concept. I mean, I don't want to say I'm
Speaker 2: jealous that you thought of it before I did, Seth,
Speaker 2: because I've had the thought in my mind. I just
Speaker 2: don't have nearly the you know, patience or time or
Speaker 2: maybe even you.
Speaker 6: Know, Rea's just not an idiot like me. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: what it is. But thank you.
Speaker 2: But if you guys don't know by now, Fish Tank
Speaker 2: Iconic is producing this legendary, legendary piece of content recapping
Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety four season opener when the Dolphins beat
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots in a shootout in a mud
Speaker 2: soaked field with Dan Reno coming back off the Achilles
Speaker 2: injury when not a lot of folks thought he could
Speaker 2: do it, and he sure as hell did it as
Speaker 2: he did his entire career. Seth I just want to
Speaker 2: know about kind of the origins, the making of the
Speaker 2: thoughts behind this project, and we'll go to Jews to
Speaker 2: talk about that game in particular, but take us through
Speaker 2: how this came to be and where you are now
Speaker 2: and maybe some of the bloods that sweat in tears
Speaker 2: along the way.
Speaker 9: There's a lot of all of that. And thanks for
Speaker 9: all the nice stuff you said. Man, We're very proud
Speaker 9: of this. We couldn't be any more exciting. And it's
Speaker 9: been well, really almost two years into making, but certainly
Speaker 9: a year of effort that has been put into this.
Speaker 9: But it's a little bittersweet when you ask about the
Speaker 9: origins of it, because especially the timing when just a
Speaker 9: few days ago we were recognizing Jason Jenkins and as
Speaker 9: all of us here would say, he was our champion
Speaker 9: and he was the visionary behind the whole podcast network.
Speaker 9: But it was just a few weeks before we lost
Speaker 9: Jason that he reached out to me all fired up
Speaker 9: one day and he's like, all right, we're gonna have
Speaker 9: a great year, and you're gonna get this guest, and
Speaker 9: you're gonna get that guest. But you know, I want
Speaker 9: to think about years four and five, and six and
Speaker 9: where can we go? And how can the fish tank evolve?
Speaker 9: And I don't want to change what you do, but
Speaker 9: what other things can you do? I know you and
Speaker 9: Juice have so much in your bag, and you know
Speaker 9: just in the magical way that he always made everybody
Speaker 9: feel so special. And so, you know, Juice and I
Speaker 9: put our heads together, and I threw some ideas around
Speaker 9: and threw a few things at Jason, and the one
Speaker 9: that I was most excited about, thankfully, was the one
Speaker 9: that he loved.
Speaker 6: And he really loved it. And he's like, I don't
Speaker 6: want to just do it. I want to make like
Speaker 6: a movie.
Speaker 9: He's like, if I could fly you guys to you know,
Speaker 9: if we're doing something on Zanka, I want to fly
Speaker 9: to Alaska.
Speaker 6: And he goes, but I don't have the budget for that.
Speaker 6: But that's what is Yes, if anybody could find it, right,
Speaker 6: But it was but the fact.
Speaker 9: That you know, I was very excited about this idea,
Speaker 9: the fact that Juice was completely on board with this idea.
Speaker 9: And then when you pitch it and somebody gets even
Speaker 9: as excited or more excited than you, I mean, it
Speaker 9: only makes you want to deliver, right, And so that
Speaker 9: was kind of the inspiration. But I had watched a
Speaker 9: couple different thirty for thirties. I won't say which one
Speaker 9: motivated me because it starred somebody that we have cheered
Speaker 9: against for a long long time.
Speaker 6: But I saw a really well done.
Speaker 9: Thirty for thirty, I said, why can't we make these
Speaker 9: kinds of films for the Dolphins, for our history, for
Speaker 9: the things that matter to us? And I don't mean
Speaker 9: just me and Juice and you, I mean anybody who
Speaker 9: cheers for the Orange and aqua, right. And so that's
Speaker 9: where Fish Tank Iconic was born. And then it was okay,
Speaker 9: what are the iconic moments and a lot of times
Speaker 9: the low hanging fruit with the Dolphins, because there are
Speaker 9: so many iconic moments, it's very easy to point to
Speaker 9: the undefeated season. My gosh, what is more iconic than that?
Speaker 9: The eighty five Bears game the clock play was thrown
Speaker 9: at me. But I wanted to pick some games that
Speaker 9: were indeed iconic, but not necessarily covered as in depth
Speaker 9: or as often or as frequently as some of these
Speaker 9: other moments. And this was the first one. I think
Speaker 9: it wasn't the most meaningful game from a competitive standpoint,
Speaker 9: in Dan's career because it was a season opener, but
Speaker 9: my gosh, I think it might have been his finest
Speaker 9: performance in one of the most spectacular careers we've ever
Speaker 9: seen on the football field. So that's why we tackled
Speaker 9: this and we're pumped up for people to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to get a chance to see
Speaker 2: the full thing. I've seen the trailer you guys produced,
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen the whole thing yet, So I'll
Speaker 2: probably take it in live with the rest of the
Speaker 2: Dolphins world on Tuesday, September the third, is seven o'clock
Speaker 2: on the Dolphins YouTube channel, so don't miss that. We'll
Speaker 2: go ahead and say again at the end of the
Speaker 2: show here, but you know two thoughts that came to
Speaker 2: mind when you were giving that answer, Seth was number one,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of this way as well, and
Speaker 2: I know that you are too, But the concept of
Speaker 2: making something like this is so difficult to finally back
Speaker 2: away and say it's done, because you're such a perfectionist
Speaker 2: and these things, and like, I just imagine that that
Speaker 2: was a labor of love for you at certain times.
Speaker 2: And the second part for me was I remember when
Speaker 2: I had Irving Fryar back on Drive Time in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and you know, this was kind of when the Last
Speaker 2: Dance had just come out and there wasn't any sports,
Speaker 2: and so we kind of were diving headfirst into the
Speaker 2: looking back stuff even on Drive Time to kind of
Speaker 2: get some throwback stuff.
Speaker 3: And you guys would come on talk about those games
Speaker 3: with me as well, and I'll.
Speaker 2: Never forget on the fourth down touchdown for Irving, I
Speaker 2: was like, they gave you that outside release and he
Speaker 2: cut me off, he said they didn't give me ish.
Speaker 4: I took it.
Speaker 2: I took the outside release. If you're damn right you did, Irv,
Speaker 2: And you did definitely did that. So I want to
Speaker 2: go to you here, Juice, because you know, a decent
Speaker 2: chunk of our fan base and our audience here maybe
Speaker 2: wasn't alive in nineteen ninety four, and if they were,
Speaker 2: maybe they weren't old enough to watch football.
Speaker 3: Why is this game so legendary From someone that was
Speaker 3: a big part of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Travis. It's first of all,
Speaker 4: kudos is Seth in the team and Chris Clark and
Speaker 4: those guys that put this piece together. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: it really is a remarkable piece. And Seth, you know
Speaker 4: he wants to give some credit to others, man, but
Speaker 4: he was I mean he was all over this project, man,
Speaker 4: and you know, and put in a lot of work. Seth.
Speaker 4: He doesn't sleep, Travis. The man does not sleep man.
Speaker 4: And you know part of that is, you know, doing
Speaker 4: different projects. Man. This is really one of his babies
Speaker 4: right here. I think just thinking back to the whole,
Speaker 4: you know, nineteen ninety two, ninety three, ninety four, when
Speaker 4: this game happened in ninety four, think about this team
Speaker 4: in ninety two they went to the AFC Championship game
Speaker 4: and how good they were. You know, think about the
Speaker 4: team in nineteen ninety three that came back were pretty
Speaker 4: much the same piece as parts on defense, added a
Speaker 4: couple of guys like myself, Irban Friar, Terry Kirby, mark Ingram,
Speaker 4: you know, on offense, and our offense was was was sweet.
Speaker 4: And then Danny gets hurt in that game in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: We probably had our best chance, if anybody wants to
Speaker 4: look back in here, so we probably had our best
Speaker 4: chance of being unbelievable in that ninety three season. You know,
Speaker 4: we had the defense, the young defense. We had an
Speaker 4: offense we just revamped. Unfortunately, you know, Mark Clayton and
Speaker 4: Mark Duper moved on at that point. But man, do
Speaker 4: we have some firepower to go with that, you know,
Speaker 4: to go with that defense. And so when Danny got
Speaker 4: hurt early in the season, I mean, it was it
Speaker 4: was catastrophic and literally, I mean it really was a
Speaker 4: tough deal. We still got to like ninety two at
Speaker 4: one point, you know, and then of course we had
Speaker 4: a tough end, but we knew the loss of Dan
Speaker 4: Marino was huge in what we were trying to accomplish.
Speaker 4: No slight to Scott Mitchell, who came in and did
Speaker 4: a heck of a job, you know, leading and set
Speaker 4: the end of that season. But man if Dan Marino
Speaker 4: only about ten years in at that point, could have
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to finish out that season.
Speaker 6: We had.
Speaker 4: I thought we had the best opportunity to be as
Speaker 4: special as any other team has been here, you know,
Speaker 4: other than Seth talked about beforehand the seventy two team.
Speaker 4: So going into the next seat, and it was all
Speaker 4: about can we get Danny back. You know, look, I'm
Speaker 4: a rookie in ninety three. I get drafted down to
Speaker 4: Miami and Dann Marino gets hurt, you know, the beginning
Speaker 4: of my career. I mean, come on, man, it wasn't
Speaker 4: me that you know that, Jason a little bit, but
Speaker 4: the whole thing was could Danny get back to being Danny?
Speaker 4: And we all watched him and practically watching him go
Speaker 4: through his rehab, We watched him go through all this stuff.
Speaker 4: Could Danny get back to being Danny? And uh, you know,
Speaker 4: it was a rough start, honestly, you know, the rehab
Speaker 4: process was rough. But we knew that we needed Danny
Speaker 4: to be Danny in order for us to be who
Speaker 4: we wanted to be. And sure enough, sure enough, man,
Speaker 4: you know, coming back in that season, rough off season,
Speaker 4: rough preseason, and that game meant the world to all
Speaker 4: of us. Man, not only just you know, because of
Speaker 4: what you know, like talk about playing in the division,
Speaker 4: but we knew what it meant to Danny, and you know,
Speaker 4: we wanted him to go out there and be the
Speaker 4: best version of himself. And he didn't disappoint. He did
Speaker 4: not disappoint. And for me, you know, it was a
Speaker 4: rough game for me because of the mud, because of
Speaker 4: the sit you but man, to see him go out
Speaker 4: there and exercise the demons out there. It was, it was.
Speaker 4: It was truly awesome.
Speaker 3: Bro. Some of those darts that he threw.
Speaker 2: I mean I can still picture them in my mind
Speaker 2: today on you know, grainy VHS footage that I have
Speaker 2: available of that.
Speaker 6: Game just ripped ovailable too, by the way.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's such a flashback to a different era.
Speaker 2: And you know, Juice, you kind of touched on there,
Speaker 2: But I want to follow up and ask you about
Speaker 2: the mindset of a young receiver who you know, has
Speaker 2: the expectations of a first round pick who got you know,
Speaker 2: a handful of games with Danny in that first season,
Speaker 2: and then you know, your financial well being, your legacy
Speaker 2: as a pro is kind of on the line when
Speaker 2: your star quarterback goes down, right, because nobody knows what
Speaker 2: you have in the backup quarterback most of the time.
Speaker 2: Take us through your headspace when you're coming back into
Speaker 2: that season from the standpoint of is my guy going
Speaker 2: to be around to you know, help me maximize my
Speaker 2: career as a Dolphin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, man, it's a that's a great question, Travis.
Speaker 4: You know, we're all, you know, playing the ultimate team sport.
Speaker 4: You know, quote unquote, and when it comes to football,
Speaker 4: that QB one is critical to your success. It really is, man.
Speaker 4: And you know, like we talked about, talk a little
Speaker 4: bit about Scott Mitchell, but there's no other Damn Marino
Speaker 4: in the world. I mean, there really isn't. And when
Speaker 4: you've got Dann Marino at the helm and you're counting
Speaker 4: on him to do things for everybody on the football team,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean leading the whole the whole group offense, defense,
Speaker 4: special teams. But we all knew that he was the
Speaker 4: straw that stirred to drink for the whole team. And
Speaker 4: so for me, like you know, talking about coming out
Speaker 4: of draft, like, hell, man, I'm Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, you know, Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: What I get? I get Miami Dolphins and Dan Marino.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, you couldn't ask for a better
Speaker 4: situation for a receiver than to go to Miami and
Speaker 4: play with Da Marino or play with Dan Marino. And
Speaker 4: so it was, it was. It was tough, man. It
Speaker 4: was tough to see him go down, for one, because
Speaker 4: you know how hard he worked at the all season
Speaker 4: in the ninety three season, and we knew how we
Speaker 4: were rolling at that point. Man, the team was feeling
Speaker 4: real good about themselves at that point, and so, yeah,
Speaker 4: you worried about your livelihood, but you're a more importantly
Speaker 4: worry about Danny and you know how his legacy is
Speaker 4: going to be and how he's going to finish his
Speaker 4: career and if he could come back from such a
Speaker 4: devastated injury.
Speaker 2: How about the fan perspective, big seth, because I imagine today,
Speaker 2: if you know, Tua goes down with an achilles injury
Speaker 2: and we have to spend.
Speaker 6: The cool seasons, don't talk like that.
Speaker 3: If we have to spend the.
Speaker 2: Whole year, you know, watching a backup quarterback and then
Speaker 2: hoping that next year he can come back. I can't
Speaker 2: imagine those fourteen months or whatever would be on social
Speaker 2: media of back and forth. What was the sentimental like
Speaker 2: around around Dolphins fans albeit you know, in the pre
Speaker 2: social media era, what was that like for you as
Speaker 2: a Dolphins fan scene?
Speaker 3: You know, the demand go down?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean devastating.
Speaker 9: You know, you'll hear some of the guys that we
Speaker 9: spoke with talk about it was like the sky had fallen.
Speaker 9: I used the term Superman fell from the sky, you know,
Speaker 9: I mean that really was was like, wait a second,
Speaker 9: how is Superman laying on the ground. That's what it
Speaker 9: felt like. And the other thing I have to remember
Speaker 9: is Dan Marino's rookie year was nineteen ninety nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 9: So now you're talking nineteen ninety three. It wasn't like
Speaker 9: he was in his fourth year and he's going to
Speaker 9: bounce back and we see, you know, you know Jalen Phillips,
Speaker 9: that we see the way he's recovering, and he looks
Speaker 9: like talk about Superman, right, I mean, he just looks
Speaker 9: like he was built from a lab, as you like
Speaker 9: to say. But this was a guy who was in
Speaker 9: his eleventh season and it had knee surgeries and wasn't
Speaker 9: exactly you know, the arm Juicy said all the time,
Speaker 9: I'm hearing everything that was in the documentary now, but
Speaker 9: the arm was always golden. But the body did everything
Speaker 9: it could to get ready for Sundays. And so for
Speaker 9: Dan to have an injury like that at that era
Speaker 9: where we didn't have the science, the technology, the rehab,
Speaker 9: all of the things that were there, and he had
Speaker 9: some issues in recovering as well. There were some things
Speaker 9: that they had to go back in and do and
Speaker 9: address and so on. So it was I mean, you
Speaker 9: kind of held your breath and you never ever thought
Speaker 9: that the Dolphins would ever play a game again without
Speaker 9: Dan Marino. And then it hit in the face that that,
Speaker 9: wait a second, maybe they'll never play another game with him.
Speaker 9: So all of that led to the build up to
Speaker 9: this game, and that's one of the things that was
Speaker 9: so special about it.
Speaker 6: The game. Rarely does a game live up to the
Speaker 6: build up when we what.
Speaker 9: Is probably in this team's that this current generation's team
Speaker 9: with the game that jumps out at everybody is the
Speaker 9: Baltimore game, the comeback to a throwing six touchdowns, He's
Speaker 9: got hell that all of that stuff. No one going
Speaker 9: into that game expected that it would be a game
Speaker 9: that got people will talk about thirty years from now.
Speaker 9: But this game had all of the build up it had,
Speaker 9: you know, we just put it in the promo. You
Speaker 9: had Parcels against Shula, You had two new owners in
Speaker 9: Heisinga and Craft, and then certainly you know Dan Marino
Speaker 9: and could he come back with the young gun going
Speaker 9: against the young Gunslinger and Drew Bledsoe. So all of
Speaker 9: those factors were there heading into this game. Build up
Speaker 9: was there and somehow the actual performance exceeded the hype.
Speaker 9: That doesn't happen often.
Speaker 2: I want to finish up with you guys here about
Speaker 2: the making of because Seth you touched on it with
Speaker 2: you know just how much went into this and how
Speaker 2: many people did you talk to to get testimonials from.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it was sixteen seventeen. I mean
Speaker 9: it's quite a list. So you know, first of all,
Speaker 9: ain't tell me you have Dan Marino. It's already You've
Speaker 9: got a home run there. But so you got Dan
Speaker 9: Marino and Juice, you know that we were going to
Speaker 9: be fine. We got Drew Bledsoe. I mean, how cool
Speaker 9: was it for Anne Nolan to reach out to Stacy
Speaker 9: James at the Patriots and Drew was like, I can't
Speaker 9: wait to talk about that game. He was incredible. This
Speaker 9: would not have been the same without Drew Bledsoe's voice
Speaker 9: in it. Of course, you mentioned Irving Friar. IRV might
Speaker 9: have stole the show.
Speaker 3: You know, he was.
Speaker 9: Was it iceman to Danny's Maverick in this thing? I mean,
Speaker 9: he was the ultimate wingman in this game and certainly
Speaker 9: in this interview. But it wasn't just the guys on
Speaker 9: the field, and Terry Kirby and Richmond Webb and Jeff Allen.
Speaker 9: I mean, all those guys were there and were great
Speaker 9: in this, but it was also the people that were
Speaker 9: around it.
Speaker 6: My former boss.
Speaker 9: You hear Harvey Green in the promo. I mean, Harvey
Speaker 9: was incredible. Tony Eguist does his effort to steal the show,
Speaker 9: you know, his equipment manager and talks about what he
Speaker 9: had to do just to strap the mud out of Danny's.
Speaker 6: Cleats between every series.
Speaker 9: So Jim Lampley, you know who called the game for NBC,
Speaker 9: Bill's infer who called the game was his first Can
Speaker 9: you imagine you talked about Travis your first experience. So
Speaker 9: Bill's infor comes from Penn State. Shout out the Penn
Speaker 9: State choose But you guys ran in a different style
Speaker 9: of offense. You are a great blocking receiver because of
Speaker 9: your Penn State experience, right, I mean we can't argue that.
Speaker 9: And so Bill's infor comes from Penn State, he shows up,
Speaker 9: gets his first NFL job, and the first game that
Speaker 9: he calls in the NFL is this. I mean, could
Speaker 9: you imagine that? So Bill was great on this. Greg Cody,
Speaker 9: who was one of the most public doubters of maybe
Speaker 9: not necessarily doubting Dan if you actually have the conversation
Speaker 9: with Greg, but wondering if it's time.
Speaker 6: To move on. And he said that, and he's lived
Speaker 6: with that column to this day.
Speaker 9: Dave Hye, Mike Mayos, So, all of these voices are important,
Speaker 9: and I think when you're doing a project like this,
Speaker 9: what I've come to learn is that you need to
Speaker 9: hear every perspective. We all remember fourth and five, we
Speaker 9: all remember the Mud, but what else was going on
Speaker 9: that day? And I think that's what we tried to
Speaker 9: capture here and then. While you'll never hear his voice,
Speaker 9: Juice mentioned him earlier. Chris Clark, who edited this and
Speaker 9: essentially co directed and co wrote the Thing with Me,
Speaker 9: is a star of this show as well. I have
Speaker 9: to say that because the work that he put in
Speaker 9: and his gift for telling stories visually in this way,
Speaker 9: he's definitely now a third member of the fish tank,
Speaker 9: whether he likes it or not.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: By the way, the reason I was giggling there Juice
Speaker 2: that entire time was because when Seth mentioned Drew BLEDSOE
Speaker 2: was about.
Speaker 3: To hit you with the go Koogs and then for you,
Speaker 3: Jews got the we are before I could get in.
Speaker 6: Trying to give you guys both a little bit of
Speaker 6: love that's just.
Speaker 3: Too freaking good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, man, you know I want to I want
Speaker 2: to put a bowl on this and conclude with what
Speaker 2: I talked about with you guys last night via text.
Speaker 3: You know this is gonna be awesome. I can't wait
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 2: I'm excited that I get a chance to watch it
Speaker 2: with our fan base, you know, when it rolls out,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to see it before that, so
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 9: On what do you say we all live tweet if
Speaker 9: you're gonna watch it in real time at seven pm?
Speaker 6: Do you like that? All right?
Speaker 9: So if you're listening to Drive Time, which is like
Speaker 9: everybody it listens to Drive Time. So so Jews, Travis
Speaker 9: and I we will live tweet during this. We'll try
Speaker 9: not to bother Travis too much because he hasn't seen
Speaker 9: it yet. Juice and I actually know what's going to happen,
Speaker 9: so you.
Speaker 2: Can forecast ahead for you guys. But now I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take it a live and hopefully my kids allow that
Speaker 2: to happen. At anock, which is usually usually go time
Speaker 2: around the house.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right.
Speaker 2: But what I to conclude, I just wanted to tell
Speaker 2: you guys, same thing I told you via text, like
Speaker 2: you should be very very very proud of this project.
Speaker 2: It is I've you know, just just the promotion alone,
Speaker 2: I can tell we've got a high quality product here.
Speaker 2: Dolphins fans are deserving of content like this, the thirty
Speaker 2: for thirty approach with these types of things like come
Speaker 2: on that that's the fish tank at its core and
Speaker 2: you guys crushed it. And adding this you know component
Speaker 2: where it's more of a movie like the great Jason
Speaker 2: Jenkins once told you, I think is a perfect way
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: So hats off to you guys.
Speaker 2: I'll give you the final word here, but YouTube on Tuesday, septime,
Speaker 2: the third, seven o'clock.
Speaker 3: That's tomorrow. Record miss ahead of time, but it's tomorrow
Speaker 3: when this episode comes out, so do not miss it.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and pump those numbers up and show
Speaker 2: these guys the love they deserve for the for the
Speaker 2: job well done.
Speaker 3: So you guys are the best. Thanks for jumping on
Speaker 3: the show here.
Speaker 2: With you guys, and hey, we got what eighteen, nineteen
Speaker 2: twenty more weeks of radio together, so looking.
Speaker 4: Forward to at least at least twenty travers at least
Speaker 4: twenty that's.
Speaker 2: Right, don't stop there, good stuff, fellow Seth levit Oja
Speaker 2: McDuffie The fish Tank Podcast every Tuesday and season and
Speaker 2: of course this legendary documentary A fish Tank Iconic the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four he's an opener. Dan Marino outduels Drew
Speaker 2: Brees go Koog's thanks for coming on the show here, guys, appreciate.
Speaker 4: Y'all, Thanks to Travis, Thanks Jrev, and.
Speaker 3: Away they go.
Speaker 2: Fun chat with those guys again. Don't miss it tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: YouTube channel seven o'clock on the Dolphins YouTube channel. Fish
Speaker 2: Tank Iconic nineteen eighty four. He's an opener against the
Speaker 2: England Patriots. Let's go ahead and call it a show
Speaker 2: right there. Long one today, no podcast tomorrow. We're coming
Speaker 2: back on Wednesday and then the Thursday preview edition the
Speaker 2: first of the year, taking a look at the Jacksonville
Speaker 2: Jaguars opening the hood and finding out the keys to
Speaker 2: victory and this season opening game against the n State Rivals.
Speaker 2: Until then, until next time, that's going to be my
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Speaker 2: Until next time, fins up, Carolin and Cameron Daddy's Coming
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