1 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: The great Tim Kirchin is with us. I miss him. 2 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: I love him. He puts a smile on my face 3 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: every single time that I see him. You check out 4 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: his podcast. Is this a great game? Or what he 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: does it with his son? I think that's probably, Timmy, right, 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: the most enjoyable thing you've done with your professional. 7 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Career, right by far stew Gotts. 8 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: We do three days a week. We have a big 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: interview every Wednesday. Last two Wednesdays we had Chipper Jones 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 3: and then Billy Wagner if Tony Gwynn Junior this week, 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: and then we do a regular show every Tuesday and 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: every Thursday, so we're on three days a week. My 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: son is not the biggest baseball fan in the world. 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 3: He understands it, but he doesn't love it like I do. 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 3: But he knows everything else, you know. He's great at 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 3: music and pop culture and like how the world works 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: and poor pop pup. 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: He doesn't know anything other than wait, so. 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: Timmy, you have the baseball down and he has everything else. 20 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: Yes, he's he can really fill in the gaps on 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: so many things. Unless it's basketball and sitcoms from the sixties, 22 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: I'm an expert. But otherwise I stink at everything, and 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 3: he's good at everything. 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 2: So we're a good team. 25 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: Is it You seem surprised that Tim Kirchen's son is 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: not a monster baseball. 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 4: Fed I was a little bit, but then I realized 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 4: that I remembered that. I was just wondering though, Tim, 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: in terms of like, because you mentioned Chipper Jones, and 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: I know he's somebody that was, you know, in the 31 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: game when I covered it that one year, And I'm 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: wondering how many people lately, because it's got to be 33 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 4: such a great feeling for you, Tim, where these guys 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: who you know, maybe talked to you a time or two, 35 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 4: but they probably just talked to you like your family, 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: like you know each other for so long, because you 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: guys know the sports so well, like anybody recently just 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 4: tell you worries about yourself that made you a little uncomfortable, 39 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 4: that they were giving you too many compliments, or anything 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: like that, or or something that just made you feel 41 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 4: really good about your career and your life so far. 42 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: Well, I just got back from Cooperstown and it's it's 43 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: pretty cool when I get to talk to Johnny Bench 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: and even though he makes fun of me all the time, 45 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: he's also very complimentary. I talked to Alan Trammel the 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 3: other day and he was very kind to me, as 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: he always is. And then there's Ken Griffy Junior. I 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: had a long chat with the other day. I saw 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: him a couple of years ago in spring training. I 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: hadn't seen him in about six months, so first time 51 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: I see him, he goes, you know, people retire, you 52 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: know that, right, that's explain Well, I'm not ready to retire. 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: I still like what I'm doing. 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: So yes, Izzy, I have some of those encounters and 55 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 3: they're very flattering and they make me feel really good, 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 3: especially when you're in Coopertown and you run into Hall 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 3: of Famers step you take. 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: Can I tell you my favorite Ken Griffy Junior story then, 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: because like I said, I only covered baseball for one year, 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 4: but I was twenty two to twenty three years old, 61 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 4: and I was in a batting cage and Cincinnati, or 62 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 4: behind the batting cage in Cincinnati, and Griffy's up there, 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 4: you know, doing his usual routine, and about halfway through 64 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: his bat breaks in half and it's still he can 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 4: still hang it, he can still hold it. It's still 66 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 4: you know, pretty much intact, but there's a big chunk 67 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 4: missing out of one side. He just turns it a 68 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 4: little bit, keeps going, hits about three more home runs 69 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 4: with the broken bat, and then ends his session, doesn't 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 4: get a new bat, just finishes it with the broken 71 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: bat and didn't look like it had changed at all. 72 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 73 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: Well, he has the most beautiful swing that I've ever 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: seen in the time that I've covered. I think Ted 75 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: Williams has the greatest swing of all time, but of 76 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: all in the last forty five years, no one's ever 77 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: had a better, more fundamentally sound swing than Ken Griffy Junior. 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: And when you look. 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: At that swing and look at the way he played 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: center field over the years, he was a breathtaking player 81 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: to watch. 82 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: Timmy, we lost a great one in Ryan Samberg. We 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: were talking earlier that Ryan Samberg is eighties baseball. For 84 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: the people who didn't see Ryan Samberg or aren't aware 85 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: of just how great Ryan Samberg was. Can you put 86 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: his career, his life into perspective for those people to me? 87 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's one of the greatest defensive second basemen of 88 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: all time. He won nine Gold Gloves, set all sorts 89 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: of fielding records, Roberto Alomar with ten is the only 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 3: one to win more nobody, but nobody was better at 91 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: avoiding a runner who's trying to kill you at second 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: base that Ryan Sandberg was. In fact, Lloyd mcclennon told 93 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: me was former Major league player and manager, that he 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: got hit by a pitch on purpose by the Pirate 95 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: by the Cubs, and he's with the Pirates and all 96 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 3: he wants to do is kill the shortstop or second 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: basement on the double play. So he's hoping while on 98 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 3: first base, I hope there's a double playball, So there's 99 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: a ground ball of the shortstop. He's running a second 100 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: and he's got Samdberg, who he loves, by the way, 101 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: in his sights, and. 102 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: He says, I got him. 103 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: I got him. 104 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: I'm going to kill him just to make up for 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: them hitting me on purpose. 106 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: And then he said and then he disappeared, and then 107 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 3: there was a double play. That's how great Ryan Sandberg 108 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: was around the bag. But just as much as his defense, 109 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: he became an elite power hitter. Lee hit forty home 110 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: runs of the season, won the MVP in nineteen eighty, 111 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: won the home run derby one of three second basemen. Ever, 112 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 3: with two hundred and fifty homers and three hundred steals, 113 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: he was a complete player who played with an elegance 114 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: that very few players I've ever seen played with and 115 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: one of the nicest men I've ever met in a 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: major league uniform. 117 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: Well, Tim, can you take me back to that time? 118 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 4: Because when I think of growing up with baseball, when 119 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: I think of guys who are just baseball, were just America, 120 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 4: I think of two cal Ripkin, Ryan Sandberg, And I 121 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 4: don't know if it was because of was it because 122 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: of where he played, because of how he played, because 123 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 4: of how he looked, how he presented himself, or was 124 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 4: he marketed a certain way? Like what was it about 125 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: Ryan Sandberg that people just loved outside? Because nobody's going 126 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: to say he could really avoid that base runner at 127 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 4: second base, Like that's what Tim Kirschen is going to say, Tim, 128 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: what everybody else is going to say? 129 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well he was all of those. 130 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 3: I think the way he carried himself, more than anything else, 131 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: is what differentiated him from everyone else because and as 132 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: far as marketing goes, he didn't want any part of that. 133 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: He just wanted to play. 134 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 3: He wasn't about to sell his name or his face 135 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: or anything else. 136 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: He just wanted to beat you. And he was such 137 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 2: a great. 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: Player in his time, and famously, you know, he had 139 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: game tying homer off of Bruce Suiter in the ninth 140 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: and the tenth inning of a major league game. Suit 141 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: at the time was the best closer in the game. 142 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 3: And in Chicago they still call it the Sandberg game. 143 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 3: And why Herzog said after the game, He's got to 144 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: be the greatest player of all time to do what 145 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: he did today against an elite pitcher like. 146 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 2: Bruce Souters. 147 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, he and Ripkin are in very much the 148 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: same category. And Ripkin told me a story once about 149 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: playoff game in Tampa Bay in two thousand and seven 150 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: where the catcher and the pitcher I'll make it quick, 151 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: change the change the sign on the mound and didn't 152 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 3: tell all the middle infielders or all the infielders what 153 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: the next pitch was going to be. 154 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: And Ripkin was astonished. 155 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: How is it possible that a pitch was thrown in 156 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: a major league game and the middle infielders especially didn't 157 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 3: know what was coming. So I told this story to 158 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: Ryan Samberg. I got halfway through it and he said, no, no, no, 159 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: don't tell me the second basement and shortstop didn't know 160 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: what pitch was coming in a playoff game. I said, Rhino, 161 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: that's the truth, and he went, oh my god. Not 162 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: one pitch was ever thrown in a major league game 163 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 3: that I was playing in that I didn't know location 164 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: and pitch. And then I looked at Mark. Grayson told 165 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: him every single time what was coming. That's how much 166 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: he loved the game, and that's how important the game 167 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: was to him. 168 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Wow, seems like Grace owes everything to Sandberg. 169 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: I mean, well, he was he was an elite player 170 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: and there wasn't anything he couldn't do. 171 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Right, Timmy, what did you make about What did you 172 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: make of the Bryce Harper Rob Mafford story with Harper 173 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: telling Manford to get the fuck out of his dugouts? Yeah, 174 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: I feel front of Tim Kirchin. I do. 175 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 3: I've heard it before the story ran, and I was 176 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: surprised because very few people go toe to toe with 177 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: anybody these days. But I think it speaks sadly to 178 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: where we are and the tension in the game, because 179 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: I know wherever I go, I sense that we're heading 180 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: for a potential workstoppage in twenty twenty seven, and the 181 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: players know that Stu Gott's Izzy I Cover the eighty 182 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: one strike, nineteen eighty one strike, that was all about 183 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 3: a salary cap, and now we're talking about a salary 184 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: cap forty four years later. It just doesn't fly with 185 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: the players and the owners and the commissioner and everyone 186 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 3: else needs to understand that, Look, we have a lot 187 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: of work to do and both sides have to give 188 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: on this. 189 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 2: But when you start with. 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: A salary cap, you're going to get players like right, 191 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: like Bryce Harper standing up and saying no, we're not 192 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 3: going there. And that's my big concern is if that's 193 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: your number one topic, we're in a lot of trouble 194 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: moving forward. 195 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: Tim What would be a tipping point finally to get 196 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 4: to a salary cap, because it feels like you, I 197 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: don't know if it's show Hayes contract. It feels like 198 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 4: we've probably crossed a few of those and just kept going. 199 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: Well, we crossed a few of those in eighty one 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: and in ninety four, and we still haven't gotten to 201 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: a point where baseball is going to accept this. And 202 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: it goes back to Marvin Miller who's in the Hall 203 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: of Fame. It goes back to Don Fear and Gene 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: Orza and Michael Wiener. These are the guys who started 205 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: and ran and run the Players Association, and no union 206 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: leader is going to give in on something that Marvin 207 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: Miller and many others. 208 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: Fought for so hard. So that's why we're all concerned. 209 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: Those are the two words you just can't bring up, 210 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: especially in a major league clubhouse salary cap. 211 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: You're not going to go very far with that. 212 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: Timmy Cooper's down the Hall of Fame and shrime and 213 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: ceremony was over the weekend. You were there, of course, 214 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: and I am wondering. Listen, I think he's a Hall 215 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: of Famer. I do. I just don't think CC Sabbathia 216 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: is worthy of being a first ballot Hall of Famer. 217 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? 218 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: Well, you're wrong so often stupid? I love you, Thank you. 219 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 5: No. 220 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: First off, I don't make a differentiation between a first 221 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: ballot Hall of Famer and a Hall of Famer. You're 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: either one or you're not. That's just the way that 223 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 3: I present it to myself. 224 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: Sabathia. 225 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 3: When you look at winning percentage, wins and strikeouts, there 226 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 3: are only five other pitchers in Major League history that 227 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: can match him in those five categories, and they're five. 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: Of the greatest pictures of all time. 229 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 3: When you look at the strikeouts for Sabathia, the only 230 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: left handers that ever struck out more than him were 231 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: Randy Johnson and Steve Carlton, two of the top five 232 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: left handers in the. 233 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: History of the sport. 234 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: And I know it's corny and it's a cliche now, 235 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: but he took the ball when others didn't. We still 236 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: don't have pictures to take the ball anywhere close to 237 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: what he did. Short rest, free agencies and give me 238 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: the ball. It's a playoff game, get out of my way. 239 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: There is really something to be said for that. 240 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: I see your points. 241 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: Steve Gotts, He's not Randy Johnson, he's not Steve Carlton. 242 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: But for me, he's a first He's a Hall of Famer, 243 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: whether it's first ball or tenth ballot. 244 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 4: Tim, I know he was just a rental, but I 245 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 4: only remember him as a Milwaukee brewer. It's crazy, I know, 246 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 4: But like, what about that short stint that was so memorable? 247 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: Is see, that's one reason he went to the Hall 248 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 3: of Fame. Is people remember him getting traded and the 249 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 3: difference he made for the Brewers, and it was with 250 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: the Brewers that he said, give me the ball on 251 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: short rest, this is the playoffs we have to win. 252 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: Give me the ball. I'll go from here. 253 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: And those are the moments that separate him from so 254 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 3: many other pitchers out there. 255 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 5: Tim I've been banging my fist on the table when 256 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 5: Billy Wagner gets in, even as a Yankee fan, that 257 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 5: John Franco should be in the Hall of Fame with 258 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: the most saves as a lefty a sub three era. 259 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 5: Are you kind of on my side that Franco should 260 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 5: be in the Hall of Fame. 261 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 3: He doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he has done. However, 262 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: there's a difference between Billy Wagner and John Franco, and 263 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: I see your point, Taylor. I'm not going to say 264 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: John Franco not a Hall of Famer, but I'm going 265 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: to tell you that he's different than Billy Wagner. Billy Wagner, 266 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: I'll average eleven point nine strikeouts per nine innings. 267 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: He allowed six hits per nine innings. 268 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: That's the lowest rate of any pitcher in Major League history. 269 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: With at least nine hundred innings. 270 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: He was a power left hander like almost never seen 271 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: before out of a relief pitcher. And the amazing part 272 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: fellas as you may know, is he's a natural right 273 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 3: handed thrower who broke his arm twice when he was 274 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 3: six years old, so he had to learn how to 275 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: throw left handed. Then he learned how to throw left 276 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: handed at one hundred miles an hour. So he told 277 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: me a story on our podcast the other day. I'd 278 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: never heard this. 279 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: You know. 280 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 3: Ten years into his career, Kenny Rogers, pretty darn good 281 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: left handed pitcher, goes to Billy Wagner at the batting 282 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: cage one day and says, I bet I can throw 283 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: a baseball farther than you can with my right hand. 284 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: So Billy goes, okay, whatever. 285 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 3: Kenny Rodgers throws the ball to the outfield grass from 286 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: home play, pretty good throw for his weaker arm, and 287 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: then Billy Wagner picks it up with his right hand 288 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: and throws it over the left field fence into the streats. 289 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 3: Kenny Rogers look at him like, what if Billy Wagner goes. 290 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: I'm naturally right handed. 291 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: So there are so many great stories about Billy Wagner. 292 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 3: But the number one is he is a power left 293 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: hander who say four hundred and twenty two games. 294 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: That's why he made it to the Hall of Fame. 295 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: And John Franco didn't. 296 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: Taylor tell Tim Kirchen and is he and mikey a 297 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: what it is? You just texted me because we all 298 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: feel the same way we did. 299 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 5: I said I could listen to Tim Kirchin talk baseball 300 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 5: all day, all day. 301 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: And he knows it. 302 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: I was just thinking, Tim, like I've been out of 303 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: baseball for a while still, and like, I. 304 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: You want back in. 305 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 4: I do, because I watched one Marlin game all season. 306 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 4: It was the first game after the All Star and 307 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: think I think it was the first game that's where 308 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: Stowers had like a walk off, and I was like, Hey, 309 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 4: I really want to get into this team, this player 310 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: in particular, but something's like needs to reel me in. 311 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: And I'm wondering if Tim, if there's like one or 312 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: two like new ish storylines or players that you would suggest, hey, 313 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: really follow this guy. 314 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: His story is pretty cool or his arc is pretty cool. 315 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 3: Well, Izzy, what you need to keep your eye on 316 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: for me is just what kind of dominant pitching that 317 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: we have right now, I've never seen anything like this 318 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: in my life. The stuff that guys see on a 319 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: nightly basis is just ridiculously good. Jacob Mizerowski threw one 320 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: hundred and two miles an hour in the All Star 321 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: Game and then threw a slider at ninety eight miles 322 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: an hour. 323 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: This is what hitters. 324 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: See every single day when they go to the plate. 325 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Jake Berger, is a pretty good hitter for the Texas Rangers, 326 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: told me recently. He said, the pitching now compared to 327 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: five years ago when he debuted, he said, is absolutely 328 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: night and day. And he said, and I can't even 329 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: imagine what pitching is going to look like five years 330 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: from now. I'm telling you, fellas, we are getting close 331 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: to the point where we have to say, should we 332 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: be doing something about this like they did in nineteen 333 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: sixty eight sixty nine and lowered the mound, Because most 334 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: hitters on a daily basis have virtually no chance. When 335 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: a really good pitcher like Trek Scouoble or Paul Skins 336 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: or dozens of others locate with that really good stuff, 337 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: they have no chance. So just keep your eye for 338 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: the rest of the season on the pitching that we're 339 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: going to see, because it's like nothing. 340 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: I've ever seen make that much of a difference to him. 341 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: I think a lower mound would make a difference, yes, 342 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: but and you know people have told me lowering the 343 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 3: mount won't make enough of a difference. 344 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: We need to move the mound back five feet. Now. 345 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: We're not going to do that. 346 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 3: They said it at that distance in eighteen ninety three, 347 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: sixty feet six inches. We're not changing that because then 348 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 3: pitchers are going to get hurt more often than ever. 349 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: But it's pretty close to being the time because when 350 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge and show Hey Otani, the two best hitters 351 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 3: in the game, have one hundred strikeouts before the All 352 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: Star Break, it just means they're facing stuff that people 353 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 3: have never seen before. Judge struck out and I love 354 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: that guy, he's the best player in the game. But 355 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: he struck out forty two times in the month of June. 356 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 3: Tony went never struck out forty two times in his 357 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 3: career and Judge did it in one month. 358 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: That's what we're looking at these days. 359 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: All day Taylor, all day Timmy, we have a game 360 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: for you at the end. Kirtchin, kirkch out. We'll get 361 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: to it in just a second. I have too quick. 362 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: He hates the games. He's scratching his head. But two 363 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: quick questions, simmy, okay, we'll get you out of here. 364 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: The swing that we saw during the All Star Game, 365 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: is that something that you could see down the road 366 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: being implemented into regular season games? 367 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: No, and if it does, stew Goods. 368 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: Sorry, I know this crushes you, but I will retire 369 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: if we put that into the regular season. It worked 370 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: beautifully in the All Star Game. At All Star. 371 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: Game, it's an exhibition game. 372 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: Players leave the ballpark after the fifth inning, So how 373 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: much can winning and losing really matter at the All 374 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: Star Game? 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. But I was there. 376 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: I was on the field for the swing off, and 377 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 3: the nationally and American League players were going crazy. 378 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 2: When Brett Rooker hit two of his three pitches over 379 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 2: the fence for a homer, those guys were nuts about it. 380 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: And then when Kyle Schwarber hit three straight homers on 381 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: three straight pitches, it was fabulous. But I'm sorry, I'm 382 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: just too old to be to be saying that, Yes, 383 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: let's have a home run derby after every tie game 384 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: after ten innings. 385 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: No, we can't go there. It's too radical. 386 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: Night ends earlier, Tim, I don't know. I know we 387 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 4: found this retire is he? 388 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: I don't even like the ghost runner at second after 389 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: with a ten inning tie, imagine having. 390 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 2: A home run derby after ten. No, we can't do that. 391 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: Summry, all right, so quickly. I know you're not a gambler, 392 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: but if you had to gamble an amount of money 393 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: that meant something to you, Tim, on the team to 394 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: win the World Series this year, who would you bet on? 395 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: Well, I had this conversation the other day. There are 396 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: no great teams in the major leagues at this moment. None, 397 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: No one's going to win one hundred games this year, 398 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: and it just shows you how hard it is to 399 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: stay healthy. 400 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: The Dodgers. 401 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to answer your questions to God to say 402 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: the Dodgers are going to repeat as the World champions. 403 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: But I'm saying that thinking that Blake Snell's going to 404 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: come back, and Roki Sazaki is going to come back, 405 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 3: and Tyler Glass now is going to continue to throw 406 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: this well, and they're going to get their entire everyday 407 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: lineup solidified at some point this year. Then to me, 408 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 3: they have the best team in baseball, and they will 409 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 3: be the odds on favor to win. But right now 410 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 3: you can't. You can't think, oh, the Dodgers are going 411 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 3: to win, not with with all the injuries that they have. 412 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: So that's why baseball is so beautiful. Jordan in his 413 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: prime and they're rolling down, you know, the stretch run. 414 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 3: You kind of knew they were going to win. When 415 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: Steph and Clay and kd were shooting at the way 416 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 3: they were, You kind of knew they were going to win. 417 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: But you never know in baseball, And to me, that's 418 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: what makes the stretch run in October so interesting. 419 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: All right, Taylor, give him a kerch In. Kirtch you out, 420 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: make it quick. You need to get out of here. 421 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: He's a busy man. 422 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 5: Perfect perfect. That you mentioned the Dodgers, the first question 423 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 5: for kirch In or kerch out. The Cubs are the 424 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 5: biggest threat to the Dodgers in the National League. Kirchin 425 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 5: or kirch out. 426 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 3: Look, I love the Cubs the way they score runs 427 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: in an era when it's really hard to score runs. 428 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: But I still think the Phillies are the biggest threat 429 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 3: to the Dodgers. 430 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: That Phillies rotation is really good. 431 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: Sarez Sanchez, Nole's coming back Wheelers, one of the three 432 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 3: best pitchers. 433 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: In the game. 434 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 3: Uh. I love that Phillies pitching, and they're going to 435 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 3: really start to mash here. 436 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 2: Eventually they're the biggest threat to the Dodgers. 437 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 5: Kertch Out a concert that starts at nine point fifty 438 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 5: five on a Sunday, Kerchin or kerch Out. 439 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: There's no way he's in. I mean there's no way. 440 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: Well, I've only been to three concerts in my life 441 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: and one was a Yellow Card with my eighth grade 442 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: daughter Kelly. And I was told, having never really done 443 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: this before, that the concert starts at seven thirty on 444 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: a school night, and I'm at five eighth grade girls, 445 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 3: so I think, all right, starts at seven thirty two 446 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: hours nine thirty, will be home by ten fifteen piece 447 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: kick Well, which I got mixed up. 448 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 2: With Green Card or Green Day or whatever. I poul 449 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: that up. 450 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: Yellow Card went on at ten ten, ten ten, and 451 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: I'm in charge of five eighth grade girls. I called 452 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 3: their parents like twenty times. 453 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: I'll get them home as soon as we have. 454 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 3: We've gone through three walk up bands or whatever they're called. 455 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: So nine fifty is too late. 456 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, my walk up music. These other bands that play 457 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: right before I comeat. 458 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: Right Ocean Avenue was a beast back then, though one. 459 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: Hit Wonder Yellow Card from Jacksonville, Florida. 460 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: By the way, the band right. 461 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 3: Nine fifty is too late. Actually, when you're in elementary school. 462 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: No doubt. What were the other two concerts them? Just 463 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: out of curiosity. 464 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 2: I saw Dan Fogelberg in college. 465 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: Nice. 466 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: It was a disaster. 467 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: It was the date. 468 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 3: They were all disasters in college, and there weren't many 469 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 3: of them, believe me. And then I saw Kenny Chesney 470 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: on the day that we took Kelly Kirchen to Syracuse 471 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 3: because I met I met Kenny Chesney at the White 472 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: House once dropping names in a miracle. He knew who 473 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: I was, and I had a nice chat with him, 474 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: and I realized why he likes me. I'm shorter than him, 475 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: which is amazing. 476 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: Why was the data disaster disaster? 477 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: Uh? They Well, when you're four to eight and you 478 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: have no idea what to say to a girl, that 479 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: that makes it really hard. 480 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: So and you're walking around with a baseball home in act. 481 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that I never Yeah, I couldn't find a 482 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 3: girl who wanted to talk about uh runners, you know, runners. 483 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: With scoring position or anything like that. 484 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: It was bad. I was, you've found some guys because 485 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: we are. We're hanging on here every word. I have 486 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: a couple more. Go ahead and get him out of here. 487 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 5: The Yankees as is aren't a championship level team. 488 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: Kirch in or kirch out. 489 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 3: That's kirch out because as of now they don't have 490 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: Aaron Judge in the lineup. Now, when he comes back, 491 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 3: let's say in ten days, and he can play the outfield, 492 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 3: which I don't think he's going to be able to 493 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: do with his elbow injury, then I think I think 494 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: they could go back to the World Series. I'm certainly 495 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: not picking them too, but in a winnable American league, 496 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 3: I think they would be good enough to go back. 497 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 3: But right now I would say they are not good 498 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: enough to win the World Series with the team they 499 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 3: have now, especially with Judge hurt. 500 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Last one teller we have. 501 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 5: One final one. Paul Skeens is going to be the 502 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 5: first starting pitcher to win the cy Young with a 503 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 5: losing record. Kerchin or kerch out. 504 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: I'm kerch in on that we no longer pay attention 505 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: to wins and losses, which is, I guess in a 506 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: way good. It still bothers me as an old man. 507 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: That used to matter whether you whether you won or 508 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 2: lost the game. But Skeens is different. 509 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 3: He's got an ERA under two again, and he has 510 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: the lowest ERA of any pitcher in the history of 511 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 3: the game through forty five starts, two hundred and fifty innings, 512 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 3: and since earned runs became official in nineteen thirteen. I'm 513 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 3: telling you, fellas, I've never seen a young pitcher come 514 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: along with the impact that this guy has made. Nobody, 515 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 3: not Steven Strasburg, not Dwight Gooden, not even Fernando Venezuela, 516 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 3: not for forty five stars. 517 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 2: That's how good he is. 518 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: And I think he's only going to get better, and 519 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: I think he will win the Cy Young this year, 520 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 3: no matter what his record is. 521 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: I've heard a lot about Paul Skins, but that sentence 522 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: right there, and those names that he put in the 523 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 4: context with Skeins makes me recognize just how special he is. 524 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: Stu in five July starts Paul Skeins two and one 525 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 5: with a point sixty seven. 526 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: Ye, sirch No, it's absurd. I mean, tim he's wiping 527 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: his head. He's twenty three years old. Believe I've been 528 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: around baseball? Is all life? Go ahead? 529 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: That I was in the dugout two years ago at 530 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: the All Star Game, and he started the All Star 531 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: Game as he does both years. 532 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: I watched him fellas pace. 533 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 3: That dugout about fifteen times before the start, and he 534 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: was in a trance. It was like there was nobody 535 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: else around him. He was getting ready to go pitch. 536 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 3: This is what the great pitchers, Roger Clemens, all of 537 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: them that I've ever met, once their head is where 538 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 3: it needs to be. They don't have no idea what's 539 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: going on until they get on the mound. And they 540 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: look at that catcher Schmidt, and he was in a trance. 541 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,239 Speaker 3: And that told me again just how wildly competitive was 542 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: and how focused he can get a common denominator of 543 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: all the great athletes I've ever. 544 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 4: Met, just like a dead show in a trance. 545 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for three days coming up this weekend at 546 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: San Francisco three day trips, Timmy, you want to join 547 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: me for your fourth concert? What do you think? Dead 548 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: in companies? 549 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: San for Ammy and you, It's so embarrassing. 550 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: I've never seen the Dead. I've never seen Springsteen. Yeah, 551 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: but I saw green Green Card, Green Day. 552 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: Yellow card, yellow card. 553 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: With three opening acts. Did I get that right? 554 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: Well, Timmy, we asked that because I went to a 555 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: concert Sunday night that started. I had three opening acts, 556 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: seventeen videos about them saving the ocean, and then they 557 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: finally got around the story to get nine to fifty. 558 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 2: Five over yourself, way way too late. 559 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: Yes, old play, Timmy, thank you so much. We appreciate it. 560 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what? Check out the 561 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: podcast Tim and his son. It is fantastic. Tim loves baseball, 562 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: his son not so much. 563 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: He loves his son. He loves baseball. 564 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 3: He just doesn't know that much about it because he 565 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 3: was busy doing other things. 566 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: He would star of all the school plays. 567 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: He had five hundred and seventeen lines in the Odd 568 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: Couple as a senior, which was amazing. He played nicely, 569 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: nicely Johnson and Guys and dolls. So yeah, he's way 570 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: more talented than I am. 571 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: That dree. 572 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: I love you, Tim Kirschen, thank you so much for 573 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: doing this. We appreciate it. Okay, guys, I didn't mean 574 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: to say you didn't love baseball. You yelled at me. 575 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: You made me feel dead. I'm sorry I said it. 576 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: Tim Okay, I didn't yell at you. I don't yell 577 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 2: at anyone. 578 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: See you, guys, see you Tivvy