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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: George Noori with You, Sandra Champlain with us. Of course,

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Speaker 2: she heads up Shades of the Afterlife on the Paranormal

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Speaker 2: Podcast Network, Sandra. Reason Number three that Raymond Moody and

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Speaker 2: Paul Perry say that there was life after life is

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Speaker 2: called the transforming light. What might that mean?

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Speaker 3: Well, we often hear of the light at the end

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Speaker 3: of the tunnel.

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Speaker 2: Aha.

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Speaker 3: Many people experience this light. Some people call it God.

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Speaker 3: Some people it's just this overwhelming sense of love. It's

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Speaker 3: such a feeling that people cannot put it into words.

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Speaker 3: It's not a light that blinds you, It's a light

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Speaker 3: that loves you. There is a little boy story that

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Speaker 3: I know. I met the dad and the boy had

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Speaker 3: actually drowned and been resuscitated. And the way this three

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Speaker 3: year old boy described it, it was a face in

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Speaker 3: the sun, you know, it was just so bright, telling

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Speaker 3: him it was time to come back home to daddy.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't his time to die? My words, But it's just

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Speaker 3: this tremendous, bright, bright light. But it equals love.

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Speaker 2: Interesting Number four, This one I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Terminal lucidity Terminal lucidity is just before some people pass

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Speaker 4: and people can be unfortunately like mentally dead due to dementia.

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Speaker 3: They could have their mind filled or their head filled

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Speaker 3: with tumors and there's no medical explanation for this. People

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Speaker 3: can open their eyes, talk to their relatives, their loved

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Speaker 3: ones in the room, giving people hope that there was

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Speaker 3: a miracle that these people are back to life. They

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Speaker 3: can say they're goodbyes. They talk like they have been

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Speaker 3: aware of everything that's been going on, like I said,

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Speaker 3: giving people hope that they're getting better, but then they

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Speaker 3: pass away. So it is this burst of energy, burst

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Speaker 3: of clarity which tells me our consciousness cannot be in

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Speaker 3: our mind if our mind has already our brain has

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Speaker 3: already shut down. So it's pretty extraordinary and I'm studying.

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Speaker 2: More of that reason number five of seven. This is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Spontaneous muses healings and skills.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, the muses are people like guides. People have

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Speaker 3: these experiences that they feel like they're either Earth angels

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Speaker 3: or people that are in the other world that give

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Speaker 3: them advice on their life, show them direction. Perhaps they're

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Speaker 3: part of the life review. They can give them direction

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Speaker 3: as to what they may be good at So there's

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Speaker 3: a story in the book about a medical doctor who

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Speaker 3: had this incredible urge to play piano and became a

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Speaker 3: concert pianist along with being a doctor. So this brand

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Speaker 3: new skill seemed to just come out of nowhere with him.

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Speaker 3: And then healing is like people like Anita Morjani who

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Speaker 3: wrote the book Dying to Be Me. Yeah, she had

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Speaker 3: stage four cancer with given last rites, it was over,

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Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden she experienced being in

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Speaker 3: beyond so many things, beautiful, beautiful stories she has, but

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Speaker 3: she completely healed under the agreement that she would come

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Speaker 3: back to Earth and let people know that there is

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Speaker 3: a much bigger picture to life, that there's an afterlife,

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Speaker 3: that their life is for a purpose.

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Speaker 2: I'll be interviewing, of course, Raymond Moody and Paul Parry

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Speaker 2: next Monday the eleventh, and Sandra has them already on

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Speaker 2: her Shades of the Afterlife podcast if you want to

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Speaker 2: listen to that reason number six Light, mist and Music, George.

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Speaker 3: This can be just before someone passes, loved ones are

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Speaker 3: glow that is around their loved one or in the room,

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Speaker 3: which could be you know, a loved one coming to

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Speaker 3: hearing music. There's been doctors and doctor Moody will tell

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Speaker 3: this mist that would rise above a person after they've passed,

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Speaker 3: go towards the ceiling. And this to me signifies the

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Speaker 3: soul leaving the body.

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Speaker 2: Is it the ectoplasm.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's ectoplasm. I think it is a

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Speaker 3: And I asked them, do they think that because George,

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Speaker 3: and Paul Perry said, no, we really need to have empathy.

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Speaker 3: feelings and feelings is how mediumship works. I've taken enough

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Speaker 3: perhaps that's when we get to experience the light, the mists,

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Speaker 2: Neat of course, reason seven is the very strange, the psychomanteum,

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Speaker 3: Yes, And doctor Moody will tell you stories about how

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Speaker 3: he found out about that ancient Greeks or something. But

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Speaker 3: being in that meditative state, maybe seeing a loving prayer

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Speaker 3: is people would have thoughts of their loved ones. Well

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Speaker 3: with himself and his medical students, many actually claimed that

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Speaker 3: We human beings are so powerful. I know that we

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Speaker 3: not tapped into our soul ability. So I think what

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Speaker 3: So I'm really looking forward to experimenting with this psychomantium.

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Speaker 3: Hard word to pronounce, but it's a cool thing.

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Speaker 2: It is a weird thing too. Yeah, we're going to

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Speaker 2: take We're going to take calls next hour with Sandra.

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Speaker 2: We're opening up the lines right now if you want

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Speaker 2: to start lining up, but as we talk about life

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Speaker 2: after life and share your stories with us if you want,

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Speaker 2: or a question or two for Sandra. What if we're

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Speaker 2: all wrong about the afterlife? Sandra, what if there's nothing?

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Speaker 3: Well, George, if there's nothing, it'd probably be like going

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Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: That's it. But all signs for my twenty five years

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be incredible.

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Speaker 2: If I had the bet, I would bet that there

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Speaker 2: is an after life, I would too, and I think

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Speaker 2: we'd win that bet, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. But we can't push this on anybody. I

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Speaker 3: know we want to, but I think people have to

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Speaker 3: look for this information themselves.

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Speaker 2: Of course we'd have to come back and collect it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that if there's life throughout the universe,

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Speaker 2: and I do too. I believe that that they are

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Speaker 3: Probably so probably So. You know, I spoke earlier about

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Speaker 3: we are is vibrating energy, right, So I think it's

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Speaker 3: believe there's life. And if there's life, I would think

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Speaker 2: So I think, so, Sandra, this is a program based

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Speaker 2: You know that. And we've got some callers that have

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Speaker 3: They very well could be. But you know, it's tough

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Speaker 2: I would hope they lost their cell phones or something

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Speaker 2: the air or something. Right, my gosh, what about reincarnation.

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Speaker 3: I am of the feeling that if reincarnation is real,

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't happen to everybody, or it doesn't happen

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Speaker 3: to every everybody right away, that we will be reunited

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Speaker 3: with our family members and if we want that opportunity

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Speaker 3: to dip our toe back in the water of Earth,

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Speaker 3: that we can certainly do that. And when you think

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Speaker 3: of the population explosion, if there's only been reincarnation, you know,

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Speaker 3: fifty years ago there were four billion people on the

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Speaker 4: We're double that.

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Speaker 3: So where'd all these extra souls come from? Right, if

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Speaker 3: it's only reincarnation from the guff So, I think when

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Speaker 3: we transition, we continue to grow, we continue to learn.

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Speaker 3: I do think, because there's a several of my episodes

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Speaker 3: I've done on reincarnation, and I don't tell anybody what

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Speaker 3: to believe. You know, you believe what works for you,

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Speaker 3: that empowers you in this life. That's the thrust out

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Speaker 3: of everything, you know, helping people through grief, helping people

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Speaker 3: believe their loved ones and we go on, but then

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Speaker 3: also having a powerful life while we're here. You know,

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Speaker 3: what I may say might not fit for everybody, but

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Speaker 3: if parts of it does, will use it. And there's

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Speaker 3: one really incredible story, and I can't remember all the details,

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Speaker 3: but it was a little boy from a very young

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Speaker 3: age was telling the story as if he was somebody

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Speaker 3: who worked in Hollywood. He was one of the extras.

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Speaker 3: So you know, so many people say they're reincarnated, I

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Speaker 3: was Cleopatra, you know, always these big famous people. But

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Speaker 3: this little boy, who would have had no knowledge of

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Speaker 3: Hollywood was telling all of these stories and there was

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Speaker 3: something like forty seven details that he got correct out

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Speaker 3: from a man who was a Hollywood extra.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. And remember the story about Line Insured, the

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Speaker 2: little pilot boy from World War Two, that too, is incredible.

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