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Speaker 1: With that, I bring in Chad Milman, chief content officer

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Speaker 1: of the Action Network, my friend for a long time.

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Speaker 1: We decided at the volume sports we wanted best of class.

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Speaker 1: put our heads together about six months ago and said,

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Speaker 1: how do we get Chad Milman. Lucky for us, he'd

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Speaker 1: been drinking heavily the weekend. We offered and he decided

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Speaker 1: can't tell, but we're calling at his signature and Chad

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Speaker 1: Millman joins us. So this is a big deal for

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Speaker 1: us because you and I worked for other companies my

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Speaker 1: former employer. We got along great. We hit it off,

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Speaker 1: and you and I not that we plotted, but while

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Speaker 1: it wasn't our last gig. We would say, listen, this

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Speaker 1: is not our this is not the final destination for us.

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Speaker 1: So you go to the Action Network. I go to

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Speaker 1: Fox and iHeart and now the volume and here we

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Speaker 1: are working together again. I'm elated. Do you remember the

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Speaker 1: first time you heard this idea of us working together

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Speaker 1: on this project? Was it? Did we come after you?

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Speaker 1: Six months ago? Seven months ago? I can tell you exactly.

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Speaker 1: how much I just like you personally. We've become good

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Speaker 1: friends over the years and stayed in contact even after

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Speaker 1: are the pioneer in figuring out how to do gambling

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Speaker 1: gambling on your radio show. I used to go on

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Speaker 1: your radio show and talk about it when everybody else

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Speaker 1: And he asked me, like, how did I even get

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Speaker 1: Ten years later, you're in partnership doing this thing, and

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Speaker 1: until or for us, we thought you validated what we

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Speaker 1: want to get I said, let's get Milman. We bring

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Speaker 1: them on, and we like that it's right before the

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Speaker 1: tournament because this is a very interesting tournament. Yes, let's

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Speaker 1: start with this. Do you have an overall principle worldview

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Speaker 1: and I do like soccer, but college basketball, again, this

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Speaker 1: discussed me, then I won't like you. And see, I

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Speaker 1: want deniability, so if in ten years you go to prison,

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Speaker 1: I can say I have no idea what happened. So

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm not going to lunch. I don't even

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Speaker 1: want to be involved in the discussions. And I segued

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Speaker 1: that into the Chicago Bears when you allowed yourself to

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Speaker 1: not only get into the Russell Wilson discussions, but that

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Speaker 1: you didn't deny them when they went public. And then

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Speaker 1: you land Andy Dalton. That's promising your family two weeks

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Speaker 1: in Honolulu over Christmas and then giving them a weekend

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Speaker 1: at a state park. You built up your fan base,

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Speaker 1: and now today Bears fans are this, we get Andy

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Speaker 1: Dalton with I'm a skill people. I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a horrible twenty four hours, forty eight hours for the Bears.

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Speaker 1: You love Chicago, have lived there, your thoughts. I am

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Speaker 1: beside myself if I weren't already beside myself, meaning I

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Speaker 1: have been so disappointed in this team since they traded

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Speaker 1: up up to get Mitch Trubisky, and I like it's

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Speaker 1: hindsight is twenty twenty. Obviously, so many people I know

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Speaker 1: felt this way when Mitch Trubisky was drafted. Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: was a miracle as a quarterback in college. And there

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Speaker 1: are so many studies about what you look for as

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Speaker 1: an analyst when you are drafting someone to come into

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Speaker 1: the NFL to be your franchise quarterback. Chief among them,

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Speaker 1: how many games have they played in college. You get that,

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Speaker 1: you get someone who you know is going to be

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Speaker 1: effective if they have been effective in that position. Right,

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Speaker 1: was anybody more effective than to Shaun Watson? Like, it's

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Speaker 1: just astonishing to me that they decided he was not

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Speaker 1: worthy of being the guy. They had to go be

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Speaker 1: geniuses and find someone like Mitch Drubisky who they felt

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Speaker 1: had like unrivaled talent, and he's been terrible. I also think,

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Speaker 1: look like Matt Nage is a coach, has just not

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Speaker 1: been very good. And you could go back to the

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Speaker 1: year that they had the double doink and the team

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Speaker 1: was advancing and looked like they were doing okay. He

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Speaker 1: made terrible coaching decisions and did not put the ball

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Speaker 1: in the right people's hands at the right time, and

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Speaker 1: did not show faith in the people who could win

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Speaker 1: them games. So this has been a cluster of bad

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Speaker 1: decisions and hubris and ego. I am like the fact

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Speaker 1: that they kept pacing Nage this year on a one

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Speaker 1: year deal and did not renew them, to me, is

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Speaker 1: ownership saying we know the fans or suckers, we don't care.

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Speaker 1: They're going to keep coming back. They're going to keep

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Speaker 1: signing up for a season tickets. They're going to keep

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Speaker 1: buying the PSAs because we don't want to have to

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Speaker 1: extend these guys and show faith that might allow them

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Speaker 1: to get more players, because then we've got to start

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Speaker 1: paying more coaches, like because we're gonna have to fire them.

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Speaker 1: So instead they're throwing in the towel under the year

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Speaker 1: and we're getting bad decisions and bad quarterbacks. That's my

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Speaker 1: take on it as embarrassment. Okay, So your audience at

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Speaker 1: the Action Network, these are gamblers and very sophisticated people.

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Speaker 1: My audience is a lot of casual fans who doesn't

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Speaker 1: understand some of the numbers and some of the lexicon

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Speaker 1: of gambling. So I want to keep this really simple

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Speaker 1: and I want you to explain this. Okay, So the

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Speaker 1: worst division in football is the NFC East. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are currently one h five to win it. So just

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Speaker 1: tell my audience what that means. Basically means the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are even money to win the NFC East. And that

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Speaker 1: number is determined by bookmakers, and your audience would be surprised,

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Speaker 1: and they are the biggest influence on that number because

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Speaker 1: what happens is bookmakers. Bookmakers are pop psychologists, right, they

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Speaker 1: look at the public and they say, what are these

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Speaker 1: people thinking? And then they will make a number based

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Speaker 1: on what they think will bring them the most money

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Speaker 1: while still not making them liable for too much of

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Speaker 1: a loss. The Cowboys are a public team. We talked

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Speaker 1: about public teams earlier in college basketball. When you talk

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Speaker 1: about it in football, the Cowboys, Packers, Patriots, Steelers, Bears,

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Speaker 1: those five teams always get more money than anybody else

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Speaker 1: because they have more fans who are more passionate. So

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Speaker 1: if I bet five hundred dollars on the Cowboys to

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Speaker 1: win and they do one oh five, what does my

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Speaker 1: gambler get back at one oh five? You would basically

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Speaker 1: you get about like basically a one hundred dollars. I

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Speaker 1: need five hundred dollars, that's what you would get. All right.

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Speaker 1: Washington has plus three hundred. They won the division last year.

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Speaker 1: Tell me your thoughts on that number. And with the

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Speaker 1: signing of Ryan Fitzpatrick, which was a big Bowl and

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Speaker 1: nothing for me, a mistake prone gun slinger, which is

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Speaker 1: the last thing I would have thought, they would have

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Speaker 1: chosen your thoughts on the number and the thoughts of

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Speaker 1: Washington repeating all right, So I was a huge, huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Washington and I love their defense. I bet

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Speaker 1: then at sixty to one to win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: The Fitzpatrick thing worries me because with Alex Smith, they

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Speaker 1: were in a quarterback like him in perfect position to

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Speaker 1: keep themselves in a spot to win a game because

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Speaker 1: their defense is so good, right, that front four, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get a nickname and they could go down as

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Speaker 1: a historically great front four and that defense and Ron

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Speaker 1: Rivera like I just have faith in him as a coach. Fitzpatrick, Look,

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Speaker 1: he can do miracles and if he has a great

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Speaker 1: defense like that, and maybe it gives him a little

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Speaker 1: doing with Miami, and that Miami team might have gone

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs if if like he keeps playing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: might have had a better experience than if he keeps playing.

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Speaker 1: But it worries me because in games where it's gonna

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Speaker 1: matter and they do need to make a play, it's fifty.

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Speaker 1: It's a fifty fifty ball, right, And so I would

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Speaker 1: still bet Washington in plus three hundred because the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: defense is so bad that they're going to give up

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Speaker 1: so many points and they don't have any money. They

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Speaker 1: got twelve me on a cap space to help Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 1: Whereas I think the Washington football teams closer and if

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Speaker 1: I bet five, if I bet five hundred dollars similarly

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Speaker 1: to the Dallas bet and Washington wins, what does the

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Speaker 1: consumer get fifteen hundred dollars? Boom? That's what we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do. So I'm trying to teach my audience the

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Speaker 1: intricacies and the lexicon because I really do believe that

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Speaker 1: sometimes the smart people can talk over the head of

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Speaker 1: the casual better. Now, Futures are easy, Futures are fifty

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Speaker 1: to one, thirty one, twenty to one, and game bets

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Speaker 1: are easy. You know, I like this team minus three.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can all figure that out. But we'll

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Speaker 1: do this from time to time where I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: very remedial questions because there are people from your audience

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Speaker 1: that know all this stuff, and my audience is just

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Speaker 1: learning simply the language. Consider my audience often to be

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Speaker 1: hockey fans watching their fourth hockey game effort. They're just

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out icing. They're just trying to figure

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Speaker 1: it out, all right. One more NFL a topic Chad Millman,

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Speaker 1: Shack Griffin gone from Seattle. Noisy teams usually I bet

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Speaker 1: against and I don't know what Seattle is as a

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Speaker 1: few your bet right now, But Philadelphia got noisy. I

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Speaker 1: downgraded him. Dallas is historically noisy. I think Seattle's had

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Speaker 1: the noisiest offseason. They needed a corner in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Now they need to Seattle worries me. Yeah, your thoughts

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Speaker 1: of today on this drama and this division. For the record,

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Speaker 1: I think Stafford is a win over Golf from ten

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Speaker 1: to eleven. I do think they're more viable, higher ceiling

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Speaker 1: with Stafford. But the team right now, that's good, and

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Speaker 1: I I guess I have so much trust and Russell.

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Speaker 1: I figure they'll squeeze into the playoffs. But how do

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Speaker 1: you feel today about them? They are at twenty two

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Speaker 1: to one. They are not a play I would make.

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Speaker 1: And for a lot of the reasons you discussed, I

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Speaker 1: think that Russell there is something connected in that team

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Speaker 1: right now. I think the frustration that he's showing this

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Speaker 1: offseason was born of bad offensive line play defense is

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Speaker 1: that he was constantly having to bail out no help,

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Speaker 1: and after a while those things start to wear I

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Speaker 1: thought you had a key to leave on your podcast

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Speaker 1: about say three weeks ago, and his response about Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford was I thought the most honest, impure response that

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Speaker 1: came from within someone who knows the NFL, which was

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. Like, I think that's an upgrade, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think they're winning the super Bowl and I would

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Speaker 1: go back to the Niners. Like this really comes down

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Speaker 1: to who do you think is a better coach, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Shanahan or Sean McVeigh. Well, Shanahan has owned him so far,

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Speaker 1: and there's a reason why he's a better coach. And

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Speaker 1: you could see it just in the way San Francisco

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Speaker 1: last year is a better They were a live team, man,

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Speaker 1: Like you could put your money in San Francisco in

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Speaker 1: certain spots and feel like you were in it no

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Speaker 1: matter what, because this was a team. It's almost like

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shannham, the harder it got for him, the more

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Speaker 1: players he had injured, the more interested more interesting it became.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like he liked it being as hard as possible,

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Speaker 1: as if it's not hard enough to win in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to be harder about having feud of players.

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Speaker 1: So to me, what he was able to do schematically,

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Speaker 1: again with his game plans, was brilliant. And they were

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Speaker 1: a team that I consistently bet on because they constantly

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Speaker 1: got undervalued by the market and so there were huge opportunities.

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Speaker 1: So coming out of that division, I'm looking at San

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Speaker 1: Francisco before I'm looking at anybody else, and they're a

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Speaker 1: team to me that I actually did bet them a

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Speaker 1: future's bet to win the Super Bowl as well. What

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Speaker 1: were the what was the odds? I think that was

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Speaker 1: about fourteen to one. Okay, I like that I made.

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Speaker 1: I ended up like unloading on seven or eight futures bets.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, you like, we're talking about let's

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Speaker 1: say I put twenty dollars on eight different futures bets,

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Speaker 1: and I generally don't bet anything. The Niners were the

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Speaker 1: only one that I did that was less than twenty

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Speaker 1: dollars or less less than twenty to one. Every other

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Speaker 1: team Washington sixty to one, the Chargers, thirty three to one,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders in case they get to Shaun Watson at

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Speaker 1: fifty to one. The Panthers in case they get to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson at about fifty or sixty to one. What

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Speaker 1: I was trying to do was a little bit about

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Speaker 1: what a lot of people did last year when they

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Speaker 1: were handicapping where Brady would go. Is looking at the

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Speaker 1: teams that I think might end up with a great quarterback,

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Speaker 1: who have all the other pieces. They've got a great coach,

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Speaker 1: great defense. There's a lot of potential there. Put that

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Speaker 1: got a team that goes from fifty to one to

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Speaker 1: twenty five to one, and a lot of times when

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Speaker 1: you're betting, and this is great for the audience, Like,

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Speaker 1: all you want to do is is find the vale

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Speaker 1: value and beat where the line ends. In gambling terms,

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Speaker 1: it's called closing line value. Right, So you want to

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Speaker 1: if I want to bet on the Washington football team

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Speaker 1: at sixty to one, I'm doing it on a hunch

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Speaker 1: maybe Deshaun Watson ends there and the closing line on

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Speaker 1: the future. If Washington gets Deshaun Watson, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be like twenty to one and it's gonna go down

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Speaker 1: from there. So I just beat, I beat the closing line.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're looking for is a better as you

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Speaker 1: want that value, right, Melman Good stuff, some college hoops,

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Speaker 1: some NFL. Nice job, dude, do you want my official

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Speaker 1: Final four? Do people? Do you want that? You want

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Speaker 1: me to drive people to your network? Why? Why shouldn't

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Speaker 1: you force them to go to your network? I guess

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Speaker 1: that's Listen, you're a professional, you're a muni professional. That's

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Speaker 1: probably a better idea. Go to the Action Network. Go

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