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Speaker 1: didn't see like a metaverse application of this, Like this

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Speaker 1: You're not only in extruciating pain, you also you also

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00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: just like can't move your body, like you're stuck frozen

432
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: in horrible pain until someone turns the suit off. So

433
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 1: like there is there is this type of like logistical

434
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: problems with with these sort of things as well, and

435
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: it's one of those Like the first that I had

436
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: when using that thing was like, oh, this is kind

437
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,239
Speaker 1: of neat, uh, this what makes this actually would make

438
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: certain video games better? And the second thought I had

439
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: was I would only ever want to have this on

440
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: if I was playing a video game that was not

441
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: connected to the Internet, because the instant I would never

442
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: want to invocage in a multiplayer game where I could

443
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: be that would be horrible constantly. I mean obviously, like

444
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: you you can have lower settings on these things to

445
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: make it not painful at all, and you do get

446
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: to pick that. But I I tried to go as

447
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: far as I could. But in terms of practical applications

448
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: beyond just gaming, the next haptic suit that we tried,

449
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: this company is working with governments. Haptics is the is,

450
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: the is the come. But we know that they do

451
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: the thing where they like remove o um and they

452
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: have they have military contracts. We we we saw we

453
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: saw army people testing it to two employees of the

454
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: United States Army. But they already are working with law enforcement.

455
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: Um well and you know industrial government training video of

456
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos using their products to like wirelessly control a

457
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: robot that is like based off of human hands in

458
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: order to do that. But they work with governments, they

459
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 1: work with businesses, corporations. This is this isn't really a

460
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: consumer thing at this point because the full suit, I

461
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: think they said the next it's going to be like

462
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: eighty thou dollars. No, no, no, the the gloves are

463
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: four thousand, the gloves and battery pack. The next full

464
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: suit that they're doing, it's gonna be eighty thou dollars

465
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: or four months subscription. But that's for their suit that's

466
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: not even released yet. That is their next model. Yeah,

467
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 1: not a consumer Like theoretically, if you're willing to pay

468
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: the monthly fee, you could have the thing um, But

469
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: that's not the intent. But I think what's interesting about

470
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: it is this is kind of where all of the

471
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 1: technology is going and and the main difference is that

472
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: the haptics that we had used on us in the

473
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: lower end gaming products, where again they're basically just kind

474
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: of like shocking you a bunch in specific ways or

475
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: just like vibrating, yeah, or just like vibrating, whereas this

476
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: suit used airport is like pneumatic. So it was basically

477
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: you have these gloves on and the gloves are much

478
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: more cumbersome than the other gloves. Um. You have these

479
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 1: gloves on and they're like blowing air onto you parts

480
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: of your hand. It's it's it's compressed air that that

481
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: that feeds into these little sensor things that actually go

482
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: in they they make contact with your skin and so

483
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: you're the feeling is is real um in a way

484
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: that the other haptic stuff isn't UM and it doesn't

485
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: first off, it does not actually does not feel like

486
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: you're getting puffs of air blown on your hands. No. Not.

487
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: One of the things that they did in there is

488
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: they simulated holding your hand under a leak with drops

489
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: of I think it was oil in that, but like

490
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: drops of a liquid coming down on your hand, and

491
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: it felt like having water cup pour onto your hands

492
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: without wetness, which is an odd feeling. Um. But the

493
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: they had like a bonzaiet tree which kind of felt

494
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: like a it felt like a prickly almost. Yeah, it

495
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: felt like it felt like a prickly plant. Running your

496
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: hands through both plants. If you'd closed your eyes and

497
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: you'd run your hands through both plants, they would feel

498
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: like different plants. Um. And one thing you could do

499
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: is you could grab the vine with leaves on it

500
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: and pull your hand down. The leaves would come off

501
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: the way they would in a real vine and felt it.

502
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: You can feel it. And then your hand is full

503
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: of leaves at the end and you feel them too.

504
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: Is they like slide off of your hand, which is

505
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: a kind of fidelity I didn't really realize was possible

506
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: at the moment. Um. There was other stuff that really

507
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: there was some stuff that worked better. Like the turning

508
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: wheels and stuff was kind of like whatever. Um, the

509
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: knobs and buttons weren't great. I actually thought that the

510
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: weak point was turning knobs. It just felt kind of

511
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: shocky um. But the straw. There was one where the rope. Yeah,

512
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: there was a rope hanging from the ceiling, so you

513
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: could like pull it to like it was kind of

514
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: like attached to you were basically like a fake airship

515
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: in the sky, so it's kind of like attached to

516
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: a horn. So you could pull the rope and then

517
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: you could the way you can grab a rope and

518
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: pull it down hand over hand. You could pull it

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: and it felt like it felt just like pulling a

520
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: rope through your hand. Like it was like if if

521
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: I was if I had no near perfect fidelity, if

522
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: I had no like visual sensory perception, I would think

523
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: I am pulling a rope through my hand. It felt perfect.

524
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: And there there were there was a moment where I

525
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: was at a desk and I had to open it,

526
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: and so I like I pull like and normally in VR,

527
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: if you're like opening a desk or something, you just

528
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of like grab and pull in the right area

529
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: and it opens the drawer. This I I felt like

530
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: there was a big metal kind of like hook thing

531
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: that you get your hand up into pull. So I

532
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: pull it out and I feel my hand inside that

533
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: thing as I pull it, and then at a certain

534
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: point I stuck my hand into the drawer to push

535
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: it open the rest of the way, which I do

536
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: on real drawers when they get stuck. And it worked

537
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: the same way that it does in a real drawer,

538
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: and it it felt like one I mean. And the

539
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: other thing that was impressive about that is that even

540
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 1: just I instinctually picked up a mug by putting like

541
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: half my hand inside the mug and holding onto the

542
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: other side, which you can't really you can't do that

543
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: if you're using VR controllers, and you can't even do

544
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: that if you're doing like hand tracking. It just it

545
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: just doesn't work. But that you you put your hand

546
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: in pinched both sides of the mug and picked it

547
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: up and like just that by itself, like as you're

548
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: like feeling the mug in your hand, is like extremely

549
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: impressive right now, which kind of sounds silly because you're

550
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: talking about like the mechanics of grabbing a but it's

551
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: it's actually also talking ament the capacity for mimicking reality

552
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: with close to perfect fidelity, which um I would not

553
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: have guessed walking into the show, you could do the

554
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: things that we're doing. Yeah, and and we talked. We

555
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: talked to one of the products managers. They're they're talking

556
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: where they were speaking about how how they're using this

557
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: for workplace training, but also even even talking about how

558
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to just use this tech for workplace

559
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: training because then people will get too used to doing

560
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: it in VR and then when they actually go into

561
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: the real world will actually be completely lost because it's

562
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: not close enough to to the VR. So they actually

563
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: talked about how, you know, VR, it can only do

564
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: so much. You want to you want to use you know,

565
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: VR training as a supplemental thing for also in person

566
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: training and kind of go back and forth so that

567
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: you actually stay grounded in what you're going to be

568
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: actually doing. But then you can also use the VR

569
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: as an assistant, so you can you know, train it on,

570
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: you can train on your own, but also you get

571
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: to apply it to the real world so you don't

572
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: get stuck just doing the stuff in the in the

573
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: digital world, which I thought was an interesting comment from

574
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: the person who's like trying to sell the technology. Yeah, yeah,

575
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: which yeah, And that was kind of the thing one

576
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: of the neat things about ce s. So most of

577
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: the people you encounter and and CS for those of

578
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: you have never been to a trade show, it's rooms

579
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: that are bigger than you ever thought. Rooms could be

580
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: filled with thousands of booths, and some of the booths

581
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: contain earth movers by the company CAT that are like

582
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: the size of a mansion in terms of their actual

583
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: like mass, and some of the booths are crazy person

584
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: sitting with his homemade air conditioner and his cut open

585
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: gloves explaining to you the new way he's figured out

586
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: how to make air condition your coils um. And so

587
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: you get this mix of at the big corporate booths

588
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, like pr people who are

589
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: hired to sell a line and don't know what they're

590
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: talking about and they're just trying to hype a product.

591
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: And then inventors uh and people who like have are

592
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: actually have actually made the thing in front of you

593
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: and are very excited about it and are kind of

594
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: incapable of bullshitting you. Sometimes they believe irrationally in their products,

595
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: but they don't they're not pr people. UM and yeah,

596
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: I got that that feeling from the from the haptic people.

597
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: We should move on from metaverse, so I want to

598
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: talk about some of the other since we're doing the good.

599
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: The other products we saw or things that we saw

600
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: in mentions. We saw that that I made me kind

601
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: of hopeful about aspects of the future. So we we

602
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: saw some a R glasses and again VR is immersive.

603
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: A R is just kind of putting an overlay from

604
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: the digital world on the regular ship. You're wearing glasses

605
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: and you're seeing something that a computer is showing you. UM.

606
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: One of the things that we saw that I was

607
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: most impressed by was by a company called los x

608
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: v U z I x UM and it was there

609
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: Zander glasses, Zander with an ex like the guy from Buffy. UM.

610
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: And these are glasses that are designed to provide real

611
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: time captioning those with hearing loss. So you are wearing

612
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: them and you are conversing with people all around you,

613
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: and you see every word that's being set around you,

614
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: including the words you say on screen in front of

615
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: you live caption ing. UM. And it worked extremely I

616
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: didn't see it miss or Funk up any words. It's

617
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: not like punctuated or anything. But it was perfectly easy

618
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: to follow, and it works for all of the voices

619
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: around you. Um to the extent that I could tell.

620
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: And I'm not hard of hearing in a way that

621
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I need captioning glasses, but I think that if you are,

622
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of a miracle product. It worked incredibly

623
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: well as far as I could tell, And um, I

624
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: think a good amount of thought from what they said,

625
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: at least it seems like a good amount of thought

626
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: went into the fact that if you are acting as

627
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: someone's ears, you have a responsibility to take care of

628
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: their privacy. Um. But because all of it was local,

629
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: none of it was going into the cloud. There are

630
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: no app it doesn't touch your fucking phone. It's just

631
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: it's just the glasses. It's that's all it is. There's

632
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: no Internet, there's no app's just the glasses. So that

633
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: was one of the coolest things that I think we

634
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: saw there, and was just also a fairly rare, legitimate

635
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: example of a need being met through fascinating technology that

636
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: I think could really improve people's lives. Yeah, one of

637
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: the pair of air glasses I tried was by Ant

638
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: Reality Optics. They had a few different models. They're the

639
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: ones that make the actual lenses. They had models that

640
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: were that you could switch between A R and VR.

641
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty impressive how there. They look pretty

642
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: much like regular glasses. Um, the specific A R and

643
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: VR ones look a little bit funky, but they're not.

644
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: They're not completely ridiculous. But you could with a button,

645
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: you could switch between having like the A R path

646
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: through modes, so it's like you can see you see

647
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: the A R screen and then but you also see

648
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: the world around you. Then you can hit to the

649
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: VR mode and it blacks out the real world and

650
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: you just see the VR stuff. And that that was

651
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: That was pretty impressive. They also had a full frame

652
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: A R glasses that again looked look look relatively normal

653
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: in terms of like, you know, this is the regular

654
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: pair of glasses. And but this was the only pair

655
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: of air glasses I saw at the show that had

656
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: the A R going over the course of like the

657
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: entire lens. All the other ones had like a little

658
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: box that they operated in some cases up your vision

659
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: when you didn't have Yeah, and it's like hard to

660
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: it's hard for your eye. Yeah, and it's hard it's

661
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: hard for your eye to know what to focus on. UM.

662
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: But this the A R was was over. There was

663
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: was across the entirety of the lens, and that one

664
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: was was very nice to uh to test out. Now,

665
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that we're kind of

666
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: talking around here is the fact that if you've paid

667
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: attention to this, you'll note that none of the really

668
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: cool stuff we're talking about is made by a giant

669
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: tech companacebook, yeah, Facebook, Matter or like Samsung, Panasonic, um LG.

670
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: We went to those booths. Those are the largest boosts

671
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: at the show. They're fucking massively million dollars. God knows

672
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: how much money UM Panasonic spent one of the largest

673
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: boots at the show, which had to be probably was

674
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars. It is not cheap to

675
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: get the listate in the LBCC. They had like the

676
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: third largest booths in the entire show. Massive. They didn't

677
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: really have any of the problems. They didn't have any

678
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: products Panasonic makes things. No. They had like they had

679
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: like two cameras and like maybe like ten lenses, but

680
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: and like not not multiple ones of those, just those

681
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: the only two cameras and like ten lenses that that's

682
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: all they had for this massive, massive, some fucking TVs

683
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: and like nothing blue displays and like like not not

684
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: not displaced for sale. It was like just like like

685
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: like projected displays of people using their stuff. Like they

686
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't they didn't have anything to show at all. But

687
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: they did have they did have a breakdancing stage, and

688
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: they brought up DJ Funky and his Breakdancing Crew, which

689
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I swear were pulled right out of Times Square in

690
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, um, and just thrust into into

691
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: into our reality. It was deeply ak because it's these

692
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: very like clearly people who spend most of their time

693
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: doing breakdancing shows out in public in streets and crowded cities,

694
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: and a bunch of confused Japanese businessmen just like staring

695
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: back at them, and they're being like, come on, come on,

696
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: make some noise. And the Japanese businessmen are continuing to

697
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: do not want to make any noise, don't understand why

698
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: this is being asked of them. Um. It was extremely funny. Um.

699
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, And and that was one of kind

700
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: of the takeaways for me was the lack of ideas

701
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: from big tech. Most of what the big companies were

702
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: showing was like either a million different cars and you

703
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: know our technologies, this car technology, and I'm sure they're

704
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: all great cars. Cars were very popular. That That was

705
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: one of the bigger trends we saw was how much

706
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: people were pushing their V cars, which is I think,

707
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: if you want to read something about that, it's bad

708
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: news for Tesla. I also don't think it's good news

709
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: for the rest of us, because just replacing all of

710
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: the cars on the road with e v cars does

711
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: not solve many of the fundamental problems that we have,

712
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: including even emissions because even yeah, it's not easy to

713
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: make a lot of that electricities generated. And like some

714
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: of them look neat. There were a lot of e bikes,

715
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of e bikes which all

716
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: look neat, and of course that's going to be a

717
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: huge thing. A big, big impetus for the e bikes

718
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: right now is that Ukrainians have been using them very

719
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: effectively in combination with drones to murder Russian soldiers, and

720
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: the U. S Military is actually put in large orders

721
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: for e bikes as a result of that, So I

722
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: suspect you're going to see a lot more ebikes geared

723
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: towards military applications too in the near future. But like

724
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: what most of the big companies had were like TVs,

725
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: like like they fucking Samsung, like Samsung and l G

726
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: mostly big TVs, and like LG had one that it

727
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: was like stored in the little box where it was

728
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,479
Speaker 1: all rolled up and it was like when you press

729
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: a button, kind of like the you ever had a

730
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: hotel that has automatic blackout curtains that kind of works

731
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: that way. Um, but which is like conceptually like, oh, neat,

732
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: you've developed a TV that can fold and put itself away.

733
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: But also, is this really better than my current TV

734
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: in a way that's going to alter my life? Is

735
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: this like yeah, there isn't there's not much in terms

736
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: of actual new innovation. Like they were trying to make

737
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: their transparent TVs seem really cool and new, but like

738
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: that's not new tech either. It's just that people don't

739
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: really like using them outside of the corporate space. Yeah,

740
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: transparent TVs are neat for if you're decorating a space,

741
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: if you're doing like a lobby like that in your room,

742
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: because it's a worse experience. But but like so like

743
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I I think out of all the big companies. LG

744
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: had the best booth experience. Um I walked through Samsung

745
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: after waiting in a massive line, and all it looked

746
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: half like a hospital and half like an Ikea where

747
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: you're walking through and they're kind of showing you all

748
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: their different like smart appliance products, but nothing is like

749
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: actually new or innovative. It's all it's all the same

750
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: ship you can find it at like the best Buy.

751
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: It's not it's not cool or interesting. You're just waiting

752
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: in line to walk through these little Ikea homes. That that,

753
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: and they show you how you can now use you

754
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: can now use like Microsoft Teams from your television, and

755
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, a lot of people bragging about their

756
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Microsoft Teams integration. Look, you and I both have to

757
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: use Teams for work sometimes always the worst part of

758
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: my day. But now, but now, Robert, with with your

759
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: new rollable TV, you too can use Microsoft Teams. Finally,

760
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: a rollable TV that automatically takes me into my team's room.

761
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: So would you boot up Microsoft Teams and you and

762
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: you don't want to be there. When I first when

763
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: I first on Firefox, and it says this browser is

764
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: not supported you're going to have to use another browser

765
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: does start Microsoft Teams. You probably wouldn't run into that

766
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: issue if you had your roll Lible TV that was

767
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: a smart TV that could connect it directly to Microsoft Teams. Yeah, um,

768
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: I hate it. The Samsung booth was horrible. Sony mostly

769
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: had PlayStations, which find that's their people themstaystations, and Masonic

770
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: was a complete bust. LG at least had some interesting stuff,

771
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: like they had this one projection powered TV extension room

772
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: where you have you have an image or a three

773
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: D a three D like a three D video file

774
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: of the of the thing on the television that then

775
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: rejects out into the entirety of the room. At least

776
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: that was cool and new there was. There was no

777
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: stated release date for this, no stated price point for

778
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: complication because honestly, what what movies are going to work

779
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: in that? Now? The answer is that what you want

780
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: to do is you wanna combine that kind of drawing

781
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: AI and use it so you can run a movie

782
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: through it and it will finish the rest of the scene. So,

783
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: for example, you can put on Boogie Nights that opening

784
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: scene where it's that one long shot as they go through.

785
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: It's just all around you, but everyone looks a little

786
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: wrong and their hands are tweaked and fucked up. We

787
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: have mid Journey continuing up the movie to fill the

788
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings. When you look to your right,

789
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: one of the elves has hands that just curl up

790
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: in themselves, and then you just take a shipload of

791
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: acid and permanently damage your brain. I think the funniest

792
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: thing at the l G Booth though, although despite being corny,

793
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: was still miles miles better than anything else in Panasonic

794
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: or inside Samsung. It was the Home of the Future.

795
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Was they three different Home of the futures, which was

796
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: mostly talking about how do you smart appliances and how

797
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: to integrate them with your phone or whatever. That That

798
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: was most of what they were talking about. But they

799
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: had three actors in each of the home, actual ass

800
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: human beings who are like kind of kind of doing

801
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: like a kind of doing a presentation, kind of doing

802
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: a fourth wall breaking performance. It's a it was a

803
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: weird it was a weird mix of the Mom kept

804
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: emphasizing that she was almost criminally incompetent at cooking and

805
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: thus had to be taught by a robot how to

806
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: make pasta but like they're talking about like their kids

807
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: and my husband, and it's like it's a weird performance

808
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: art thing. But honestly, that way of presenting their products

809
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: was much more enjoyable to watch than walking through the

810
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Samsung booth who didn't have any of that. You were

811
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: just walking through like it's despite being silly, it was

812
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: still much much more enjoyable. Yeah, and so I have

813
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: been attending c e s since two thousand ten, not

814
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: every year, but often. I tried to hit it every

815
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: couple of years just to d of keep abreast of

816
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: what's not just like what's possible, because you always see

817
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: some exciting new stuff that you wouldn't have guessed was

818
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: a thing, but also to just kind of get an

819
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: eye for how the tech industry is talking about itself

820
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: to itself. Um. And the thing that struck me most

821
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: was how completely out of the driver's seat the big

822
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: tech companies were, um and not even really even not

823
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: even trying. Google's big Box was not in the main

824
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: convention center, their main booth. They had it outside the

825
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: convention center, And it does not seem to be a

826
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: focus of much coverage, right people, people are not do

827
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: not care it's just more phones and it's like razors.

828
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: They're right, the company makes gaming laptops, and they make

829
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: perfectly fine gaming laptops. But it's also just like, well,

830
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: now I can see what the new sixteen inch razor

831
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: looks like. It looks like a Razor laptop. Um, you know,

832
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: I can go to Lenovo and see what they had.

833
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: Actually a couple of cool laptop a Leiva. I was

834
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: bummed because they took away the laptop clit. They did

835
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: take the clitter iss off of the laptop, which is

836
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: a shame. Although they have a semi clitterest button on

837
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: the side of the phone. It's red like the old anyway, whatever,

838
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: um look up Lenovo clitter ist or just type clitter

839
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: ist into red tube. Um don't well, I don't know, whatever,

840
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: it's your life. Uh So, the Lenovo has, like I mean,

841
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: there's some like, oh, here's a laptop with two screens

842
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't completely suck. Um, you know, here's a laptop

843
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that is in a slightly better form factor, but it's

844
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: there's kind of they've given up the idea that like, um,

845
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: there's anything kind of but iterative, like here's TVs that

846
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: are slightly better than your current TV, but not in

847
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: a way that you can notice. And that's most of

848
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: like the products there, which is like, well, on paper,

849
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: this is slightly better than the thing I have, But

850
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I would actually notice a difference in

851
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: and when you're seeing that from the companies that are

852
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: put spending thirty million twenty million, have a many fucking

853
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: million of dollars to be at C E S and

854
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: have god knows how many billions that they put into

855
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: R and D when that's what they're bringing to the table.

856
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: And there's just like three nerds in a tiny booth

857
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: in a corner of a room that have a device

858
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 1: that like is capable of reading all of the speech

859
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: around you and translating and like captioning it live. Or

860
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: there's those I mean that little not a massive company,

861
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: although not you know, clearly a decent amount of backing

862
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: doing that kind of ship with haptics, Like that's all

863
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: of the that's the I think that the main takeaway

864
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: to me is like there's big tech um seems to

865
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: have entirely given up driving the conversation about what the

866
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: future is going to look like. I mean, even I

867
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: don't take as a bad thing. Actually even we went

868
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: to the John Deer booth and they had this. They

869
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: had this u AI assisted way to scan your crops

870
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: and locate where weeds are and another kind of and

871
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: it was on one of those gigantic UH irrigation plot

872
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: to drive it around. It's like a hundred yards long

873
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: and it waters and sprays pesticide. But it's it's the

874
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: AI power thing that recognizes things that are not crops

875
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: and tries to remove them. The case and point being

876
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: like trying to spray pesticides just on the weeds and

877
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: not on the rest of the crops. And it can,

878
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: it can go. It can do this while operating at

879
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: twelve hours an This this the person we talked to.

880
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: They just started working for John Deeer because this technology

881
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: was developed at a different company that John Deer just bought.

882
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: Like John Deer didn't make this, other companies did, and

883
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: then they just bought it. I think that's just another

884
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: interesting news case of like that was just another small,

885
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: random company who was doing you know, innovative farming technology

886
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: that then you know, another big company with money just

887
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: decided to buy and be like, hey, this is our

888
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: thing now, and I think I want to We'll do

889
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: another part where we talk about the dark side. We'll

890
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: talk about Palinteer, who was there and who we got

891
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: to chat with. We'll talk about surveillance, We'll talk more

892
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: about John Deer, because there's some some bleak ship in

893
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: the John Deer stuff too. Um, but I think this

894
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: is the stuff that I found broadly optimistic, even the

895
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: ship that didn't work, because what didn't work is like

896
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: big tech, and I kind of like the fact that

897
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: big tech it seems stumbling and crypto those particulars that

898
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: didn't work. What I like is the fact I like

899
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: to see big tech stumbling out the gate and a

900
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: bunch of weirdos um putting some cool shit out there.

901
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: And that actually makes me more hopeful of like a

902
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: future where technology makes things more accessible. And uh, I

903
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: get to wear motorized exoskeletons. Oh, let's end on the

904
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: exo skeleton. So we got to finally try the motorized

905
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: exo skeleton, which is supposed to basically increase your lifting

906
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: capacity by sixty or seventy pounds. Um. It's like a

907
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: backpack you were in your back with a chest piece

908
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: and hooks around your hips and stuff. Uh, and it

909
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: works when you're like carrying loads and moving and squatting.

910
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to move the way you normally do

911
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: to protect your lower back, which is kind of harder

912
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: on your knees. If you've ever liked done cattle bell

913
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: spots or dead lifts, UM when you when you first

914
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: put it on and they had you bend over and

915
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: then stand back up. The first thing we did that

916
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: it was you kind of felt like you're getting launched

917
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: in their yeah. Yeah, because it's pushing up with you,

918
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: it's assisting you, but you can move like springs in

919
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: your step as you're running. It worked really well. It

920
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: was very cool. I want to and I was kind

921
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: of shocked at how this is from a German biotics

922
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: German German bionics um, which is the name of the company.

923
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: And it was a really awesome first off shout out.

924
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: The folks were fans, so that was nice. Um. But

925
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: it was really cool product for like, the price point

926
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: was surprisingly like we're not talking Toyota factories can afford them.

927
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: We're talking like if you are if you work in

928
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: like a mid like a small automotive company or whatever,

929
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: like you could afford one of these suits. They're not.

930
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: They're sub tin k so they're not cheap, but they're

931
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: not the kind of thing that only a multi billion

932
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: dollar corporation could have access and it will actually improve

933
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: the lives of workers. Like can rent them for two

934
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: fifty bucks a month, which is again very because it

935
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: would allow you to work lifting and hauling ship all day,

936
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: or do stuff like on a farm like bail hay

937
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: and huck hey up without straining your knees and back,

938
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: which you know, we talk a lot about like the

939
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: kind of devices oftentimes, the kind of devices that make

940
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: work more that are like marketed to companies in this

941
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: may make work more efficient, but they don't try to

942
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: They try to try to increase productivity, yeah, by just

943
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: doing more numbers, but not actually improving the experience for

944
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: the worker. Like the human side of this is that well,

945
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: maybe a bunch of people who ruin their backs and

946
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: knees working in factories every day won't and that would

947
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: be nice to uh and and it seems like it

948
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: works really well. Um So if you are currently working

949
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: a job or run a company and your employees are

950
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 1: destroying their backs and knees, maybe reach out to the

951
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: German biotics guys. Um. Also, it does seem like I

952
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: could rent or purchase one and then combine my plate

953
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: carrier with the chest rig purchased extra thigh and shoulder

954
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: armor and have what is effectively powered armor without straining

955
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: my body. I can't say any reason why that wouldn't work, Garrison. Um,

956
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: So come back next week where I will have recreated

957
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: space marine power armor. Um, and soon after that gone

958
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: mad with power and take over Circus Circus. Yeah, finally,

959
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: finally take over Garrison. Why don't we end this by

960
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: so Circus Circus most beautiful place in the Las Vegas Strip.

961
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: If you've never been, you've ever read the book Feared

962
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 1: Loathing in the Las Vegas you're watched the movie, it's

963
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: where Hunter Thompson starts hallucinating. Um. Now, the thing about

964
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Circus Circus is that it's a clown them to casino,

965
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be a circus themed casino. There's

966
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: a lot of clowns, but there is a lot of

967
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: cleans in their branding, and it was it's like one

968
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: of the oldest casinos on the strip, so everything is faded.

969
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: They have not repainted it in a very long time.

970
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: It is the outside as a shade of like move

971
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: that you only get when the sun has deeply damaged

972
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 1: your building. You cannot purposely produce that color. No man

973
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: cannot create it, even with all of our talents. Um,

974
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: And it's it's just I perfectly put Garrison up there

975
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 1: because it's where I used to stay on the strip

976
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: and it's one of the worst places in the world.

977
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: I love it very much. UM, tell the people how

978
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: you found Circus Circus gear. I mean initially I wanted

979
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I wanted more theming on the inside. I think it's

980
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: it's a bummer that clowns have gotten such a bad

981
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: rap in the past twenty years that I feel like

982
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: they've kind of taken a back pedal off the clown theming. Yeah,

983
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: it's coward is because with without the clown, without the

984
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: clown theming, it's just kind of dingy and depressing, where

985
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: instead it could be surreal and uncomfortable. And I would

986
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: prefer it to be surreal and uncomfortable. That just did

987
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: you depressing? See, this is why I wanted to support

988
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: you in your dream of sitting in dark corners of

989
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 1: Circus Circus wearing your clown costume. I brought a clown

990
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: costume you could give. I mean, you might get stabbed.

991
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: I still I still have one more night. That's right. Yesterday, yesterday,

992
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: after I said to my hotel there was a Las

993
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: Vegas police officer what time of day am? A Las

994
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: Vegas plice officer was walking the hallway in the very

995
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: top floor where I'm staying. And then then I go

996
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: downstairs and there's a whole team of police sweeping the

997
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: ground at seven am. Circus. Probably just a murder um

998
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: So this has been it could happen here reporting from

999
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: c E S. We'll be back probably tomorrow to talk

1000
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: about the dark, horrifying things that we saw that made

1001
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: us deeply uncomfortable, and then we'll probably have like in

1002
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: an audio documentary on the way as well, using audio

1003
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: that we recorded um at ces so that will be

1004
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: integrated at some point in the future. Will continue to

1005
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: inform you of the future that is mercilessly rushing towards

1006
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: you and cannot be stopped and will inevitably crush you

1007
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: and everything and everyone you love. But in this episode

1008
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: in a good way, so true, so be happy it

1009
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,080
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