Speaker 1: Body yady yady yady, yadyadyada. That's all I know is
Speaker 1: that body yadayaddy is.
Speaker 2: What is that? Come on? You know it?
Speaker 1: Body YadA YadA YadA, yady yady yady. It's Meghanese Stallions.
Speaker 2: That's correct. I got it.
Speaker 1: That's contemporary.
Speaker 2: You got it right. Good job.
Speaker 1: You didn't know.
Speaker 2: I knew. I was no idea, my Megan.
Speaker 1: I could have said anything, just then, Well, I could
Speaker 1: have said Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2: That's correct.
Speaker 1: Actually, I would listen to Depeche Modes cover of Body
Speaker 1: by Meganese Stallion.
Speaker 2: My body, the audist Body.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what Meganistall is saying.
Speaker 2: But okay, well, no, that's Depeche Modes cover.
Speaker 1: That's their version. Yeah, there's something kind of cool about
Speaker 1: listening to covers of songs from completely different genres where
Speaker 1: they're like fully re arranged, Like postmodern jukebox is a
Speaker 1: good example.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's tons of them, and it's it's always
Speaker 1: really fun.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: There was kind of a joke about all the tweet
Speaker 1: ukulele like white Girl covers of rap songs, yeah, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: that got a little boring, But there's totally totally some
Speaker 1: really cool covers out.
Speaker 2: There, really into For a while, there was a series
Speaker 2: called picking On, and it'd be like picking on the shins,
Speaker 2: picking on, that's cool, Maggoty's tying. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they ever did make an these sing but it was
Speaker 2: all bluegrass covers of pop music at the time, early
Speaker 2: two thousands. It was it was good stuff. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, I don't go looking for bluegrass,
Speaker 2: but it's cool to hear I know this song, but
Speaker 2: it's the banjo cover.
Speaker 1: Right, and like a different, different vibe.
Speaker 2: Like what if Old Chrome Medicine Show did Cold Play?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Oh, what if you just come out with yellow Wagon?
Speaker 1: We all Yellow?
Speaker 2: Actually, when I was learning guitar and the twelve songs
Speaker 2: that I learned, I did do a country version of
Speaker 2: yellow Oh really a country version, but like, yeah, bluegrassy
Speaker 2: because it's a way i'll tell you why. It's a
Speaker 2: way easier strumming pattern than anything slightly complicated. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't play most of these songs, but I can
Speaker 2: play them. If I didn't Getting Geting Getting Game alone,
Speaker 2: wrote a song for.
Speaker 1: You get the twang in there? Oh that yep? I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I just got charged thirty two million dollars from Chris Martin.
Speaker 1: I don't think they make.
Speaker 2: Who's conscious uncoupling? We have not yet covered on this show,
Speaker 2: but I looked into it, and I'll tell you here's
Speaker 2: why I haven't done Gwynethoucher and Chris Martin story on
Speaker 2: this show. It was kind of boring. What it just
Speaker 2: wasn't that much to it, like that.
Speaker 1: The the two world were boring together.
Speaker 2: Well, the news batting around the term conscious uncoupling is
Speaker 2: how they and that was silly. That is, it was
Speaker 2: very Gwyneth. Other than that, it's really not very much
Speaker 2: to the story is like a couple separated amicably.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know conscious uncoupling. I guess they just
Speaker 1: felt like breakup was too violent or something. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was like, no, we're both amicably fine with it,
Speaker 1: and we decided as a couple to not be a couple.
Speaker 1: So we want a different phrase than break up, which
Speaker 1: I do get. I guess i'm conscious uncoupling. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just because Gwenneth said it. It seems one pretentious and
Speaker 1: it was intolerable.
Speaker 2: Literally waiting to jump in with that because if like
Speaker 2: some if I'm at a party and someone's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: me and Ryan we we I don't want to say
Speaker 2: we broke up, but we just like, you know, we uncoupled,
Speaker 2: like we consciously uncoupled. Yeah, I'd be like, Okay, I
Speaker 2: totally get what you mean by that. That's a you know,
Speaker 2: it's a unique way of putting in and I you
Speaker 2: have communicated the emotion, like the meaning that you're trying
Speaker 2: to communicate. I get what you mean. Yeah, but the
Speaker 2: fact that Gwyneth Paltrow said it made me. It's just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, woman.
Speaker 1: Now it's like a rock for your regina or whatever.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, I do feel hot take. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I feel a little bad for Gwyneth Paltrow because I
Speaker 2: do think that generally she wants to be a kind person.
Speaker 2: She wants to put goodness into the world. But she
Speaker 2: she can't help that she's so disconnected from reality because
Speaker 2: she she's rarely experienced it. It's you know, her parents
Speaker 2: are rich and famous. She grew up Gwyneth Paltrow and
Speaker 2: now she's Gwyneth Paltrow. And you know, downvote is because
Speaker 2: she's really profited off of you know, some snake Yeah,
Speaker 2: that people like genuinely believe in, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe people are getting helped from it. Some people are
Speaker 2: helped by snake oil sometimes those people like it turned
Speaker 2: my life around, even it's placebo effect, whatever it helped me.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say those people are wrong. But she's
Speaker 2: asking for a lot of money from people and telling
Speaker 2: them I can cure you. So that's where I don't
Speaker 2: like Whatneth Paltrow. But I don't think she's nefarious. I
Speaker 2: think she's just a little clueless about what that Like
Speaker 2: that grocery store trip I remember during the pandemic, She's like,
Speaker 2: here's what I can buy with It's so difficult for
Speaker 2: people who only have twenty dollars. At the grocery store.
Speaker 2: I could only get six limes.
Speaker 1: Like, why did you get that many lime?
Speaker 2: How am I supposed to live this week?
Speaker 1: You went to like boutique cool foods, not even whole food,
Speaker 1: but like the rich people whole food. It's like an
Speaker 1: avocado costs fifteen bucks or some shit. I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is this meal?
Speaker 2: It's just a banana, Michael, what could it cost ten dollars?
Speaker 1: That Gwyneth Paltrow no, I think you're right. What is that?
Speaker 1: Is it Handlan's razor or something. It's that philosophical like
Speaker 1: a Ockham's razor, but it's a razor where you're supposed
Speaker 1: to not assume malicious intent, where you can where you
Speaker 1: can say something was ignorance or or just incompetence or something,
Speaker 1: you can't assume maliciousness something like that. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it well, but it's yeah. And I like that because
Speaker 1: I was like, it's true. It feels like the problem
Speaker 1: with the Internet and the way it's making us talk
Speaker 1: to each other is that you have to you just
Speaker 1: immediately assume malicious rightness, and it's like you're trying to
Speaker 1: be as as fucked up as you can be right now,
Speaker 1: when in fact, most of the time people are just
Speaker 1: being thoughtless or like, I literally don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. And for some reason I felt the need
Speaker 1: to type that. I don't know why, but people do
Speaker 1: do that. Just want to say to everyone out there,
Speaker 1: it is always an option to shut the fuck up,
Speaker 1: like you can just not contribute to a conversation. That
Speaker 1: is literally it is peace too. It is claim your piece.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, do not It's been involved. This is
Speaker 2: like your one of your key things, and I love it.
Speaker 2: It's very true, and I've exercised that. I'll tell y'all
Speaker 2: that if you if you've done it, you know, there
Speaker 2: is no feeling quite like writing something out in response
Speaker 2: to someone on any social media forum and then deleting
Speaker 2: it before you post it. It's like, Oh, I'm free
Speaker 2: because I have this sometimes where I think about the
Speaker 2: reply I want to put on the Internet to someone.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to push back against something
Speaker 2: someone said. Maybe I'm not even trying to do an
Speaker 2: argument whatever, And I look forward into the future just
Speaker 2: a couple hours like this evening at six pm. There
Speaker 2: are two versions of me. One of them posted this comment,
Speaker 2: one of them did not. Their lives are exactly the
Speaker 2: same lives, except one of them is still irritated, one
Speaker 2: of them is still thinking about it, one of them
Speaker 2: still maybe even still in it in the in the argument.
Speaker 2: The other one has totally moved on and probably doesn't
Speaker 2: even remember the conversation to begin with. And I want
Speaker 2: that guy's life, Yes, And it's a it's a better life,
Speaker 2: I promise you all, it's a better A better life
Speaker 2: waits for you. Wrinkles, his blood pressure is lower. That
Speaker 2: guy is doing better, right, He's got time.
Speaker 1: To like work out or cooked a good meal because
Speaker 1: he's not sitting there furiously typing with his thumbs and
Speaker 1: getting a million notifications from ye dick. He didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went on to some other posts and said, hey,
Speaker 2: good job today, friend, And that's it, and then you
Speaker 2: feel good about that. You're like, man, I hope I
Speaker 2: brightened someone's day a little bit.
Speaker 1: I know true. I will say whenever I've ever as
Speaker 1: you are saying, when you're typing out some long ash
Speaker 1: response to something I've noticed, I'm like, ooh, I'm typing
Speaker 1: this so poorly, Like all my typos are really bad,
Speaker 1: like so bad that autocorrect doesn't even know what the
Speaker 1: fuck I'm talking about at this point. And that's when
Speaker 1: I go, you know what, girl, Like, let's just delete.
Speaker 1: You're clearly either don't know what you're trying to say,
Speaker 1: so you're not saying it well, or you're too emotional
Speaker 1: so you're saying it a little too like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you're too worked up, so you're not
Speaker 1: typing very clearly. That means you're not communicating clearly, and
Speaker 1: there's no point in getting involved in this. You just
Speaker 1: need to did that that delete, Get the fuck off
Speaker 1: that app go outside, touch some grass. We have a
Speaker 1: friend who puts up a weekly like music challenge. His
Speaker 1: name's Nate. I think he listens to high nats.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: He always tagged me, which I appreciate because they're always
Speaker 1: really fun to roll through. And this week's was a
Speaker 1: hot take. He said, please put your just hottest of
Speaker 1: hot take and then please argue. I want y'all to
Speaker 1: really defend your specific music, specifically about music. And somebody said,
Speaker 1: I was not bothered by Rebecca Black's Friday you gotta
Speaker 1: get down on Friday. If anyone remembers that it was
Speaker 1: from like a billion years ago, you forget. But it was,
Speaker 1: you know, just a silly was she like fifteen or something.
Speaker 1: Tops she puts out this song where she's talked about
Speaker 1: hanging out with her friends on Friday, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a fantastic piece of music, but it was a bop.
Speaker 1: It had you know, it's kind of catchy. But everybody,
Speaker 1: I mean, she became super viral and people were really
Speaker 1: making fun of her.
Speaker 2: On the internet.
Speaker 1: Really and yeah, a lot of people. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: thought it was fine. I don't know. I hated her
Speaker 1: so much and one of our friends was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people should really leave teenage girls alone. Just let them,
Speaker 1: just let them be.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: She just tried to put out a little stupid video
Speaker 1: with her friends, and she d up with like way
Speaker 1: more attention than she ever ever dreamed of getting. For that.
Speaker 1: That was probably a little fun thing that she was doing.
Speaker 1: Can you just let people be and let people live?
Speaker 1: Just trying to make something fun with her friends. She
Speaker 1: could have gone out and done crack cocaine, and instead
Speaker 1: she decided to make a fun hit.
Speaker 2: I could do one of two things today.
Speaker 1: There are too I could think a.
Speaker 2: Hit song for you too that's not that good, or
Speaker 2: I could do crack cocaine.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying crack cocaine's always on the list of options,
Speaker 1: and if you don't choose it, that day is a win.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know. I mean, yeah, I guess if
Speaker 2: I needed to, I could go find some.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could find crack cocaine.
Speaker 2: I mean, we live in Atlanta, Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: we'd have to go far as all. I'm saying you're right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like if a doctor came in right now and was like,
Speaker 2: Diana's got an hour to live unless she smoked some
Speaker 2: crack cocaine, I'd be like, I'll be right back talk.
Speaker 2: I know where to get I don't even need the car.
Speaker 2: I'll be back in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: You think you could buy crack cocaine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not far from the bell, right, we could.
Speaker 1: We could find crack cocaine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Line, well, I'm glad we don't want to, though, So
Speaker 1: do not reach out and tell us how to find
Speaker 1: crack cocaine.
Speaker 2: Because we don't need it. Diana will live many years without.
Speaker 1: It, I certainly hope.
Speaker 2: So. I know we've got quite an intro today. But
Speaker 2: I was going to say that I did go to
Speaker 2: the movies last night.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 2: I didn't saw Blue Beetle, But without Diana.
Speaker 1: It's weird to go. Yeah, not have seen it with you.
Speaker 2: Well, you weren't feeling well and my dad, you and
Speaker 2: me and my dad were going to go because my
Speaker 2: mom's out of town and she didn't want to see it,
Speaker 2: and we just figured, well, we're going to do something
Speaker 2: trying to get your dad out of the house yet,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you were feeling well. So it was just
Speaker 2: h just a boys night.
Speaker 1: That's nice.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. When the bank's boys cut loose.
Speaker 2: We uh. We went to our favorite bar and had
Speaker 2: I had a black bean Burger's delicious. My dad had
Speaker 2: a some kind of salmon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew it because he always talked
Speaker 1: he loves it.
Speaker 2: He loves it. And yeah, it was pretty wild. We
Speaker 2: had I think three Guinnesses between the two of us.
Speaker 2: He had too, I had one, yes, yeah, I know
Speaker 2: who had to. And yeah, then we went and saw
Speaker 2: kids movie, so pretty wild. You know, when the heads away,
Speaker 2: the roosters get cut loose, I'm telling you pretty good.
Speaker 2: I thought the supporting cast was awesome. The lead was great.
Speaker 2: I love that guy.
Speaker 1: I love him. But it's just for the stupidest reason.
Speaker 2: It's not a stupid reason, it's a great reason.
Speaker 1: It was like in twenty seventeen or something and Fringe
Speaker 1: put on our first five fifth shows the inter Festival,
Speaker 1: and we to take a movie, classic film that you
Speaker 1: know everyone's seen, and split it into five parts and
Speaker 1: give each part to five different groups, and then in
Speaker 1: one day you see the most unique retelling of the
Speaker 1: show of all time, and the first one we ever
Speaker 1: did was Karate Kid and happened to be when Cobra
Speaker 1: Kai was filming here in Atlanta, and so Ralph Maccio
Speaker 1: came to see the show.
Speaker 2: I sure did.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Ralph, that was really nice to you.
Speaker 2: In the show in our our theater group section, I
Speaker 2: was playing Daniel Son and for that we.
Speaker 1: Also made it.
Speaker 4: Hey.
Speaker 1: They also made mister Miyagi instead of Bonzi trees, he
Speaker 1: had weed plants and they really liked that. All the
Speaker 1: producers were there too of Cobra Kai, and and Soolo
Speaker 1: thank you was also in Cobra Kai. He also came
Speaker 1: to the show, had a great time whatever. And then
Speaker 1: like years later, a friend of ours is like, I
Speaker 1: think a makeup or hair person something on Blue Beetle
Speaker 1: and is doing sholos like makeup or hair and says
Speaker 1: something about, oh you uh, you were in Atlanta for
Speaker 1: Cobra Kai. Did you like Atlanta? And he says, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really remember except this one show that I
Speaker 1: saw at this church. They did this weird karate kids show.
Speaker 1: It was so good and she they told me, and
Speaker 1: I was like a fing out thing. He remembers about Atlanta.
Speaker 1: It's my show. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So Diana's now his biggest like show is the.
Speaker 1: Main He's my favorite superhero ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he.
Speaker 1: Doesn't I hope he doesn't do something really problematic one day.
Speaker 2: He's a charmer. He's got star power. I'm looking forward.
Speaker 1: I have heard that he's really Yeah, he really carries
Speaker 1: that film very well.
Speaker 2: We haven't watched Cobra Kai. I know we.
Speaker 1: Really Shore's it's been on this shows.
Speaker 2: We don't need to tell you y'all know, all right?
Speaker 2: Speaking of TV shows, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 2: remember Alias.
Speaker 1: Where are we going with this?
Speaker 2: Stay with me because I'm just going to relate it
Speaker 2: back to what we're doing right now, because I remember
Speaker 2: when you and I watched Alias, and what was so
Speaker 2: weird with that show. Sometimes they'd beat eighteen or twenty
Speaker 2: minutes into the episode, and then the opening credits would
Speaker 2: come up, like multiple scenes and then into the block
Speaker 2: then the Alias theme song would start.
Speaker 1: Oh we haven't.
Speaker 2: Done that yet.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember distinctly one time watching and like
Speaker 1: we were like in our bed or something, and that
Speaker 1: happened and we both were like.
Speaker 2: The episode was almost.
Speaker 1: There's like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: Left, like they'd already resolved whatever, you know, espionage they
Speaker 2: were doing.
Speaker 1: She'd already taken the wig off, right.
Speaker 2: So anyway, eat your heart out, change abrams, because that's
Speaker 2: what we're doing today. But we gotta let's say, it's
Speaker 2: been a minute. We got a lot of we got hate,
Speaker 2: we got a lot of projects in the work. We're
Speaker 2: gonna be telling you all about soon, cool stuff, can't we.
Speaker 2: But but today we do have a ridiculous promise to
Speaker 2: talk about more than.
Speaker 1: That's right, because yeah, I was just recently going through
Speaker 1: our list, which y'all know the list, the mystical list, So.
Speaker 2: It just it's like our TV list. It just keeps
Speaker 2: getting bad.
Speaker 1: It is so long, you guys. It's like four hundred
Speaker 1: plus names on it, couples on it. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: went through a couple that were kind of short, but
Speaker 1: they were still like really fun, cool, ridiculous romances that
Speaker 1: we want to share with you. We couldn't nix them completely,
Speaker 1: so we decided to just throw them together into a
Speaker 1: nice goodie bag for you. This is it the end
Speaker 1: of the birthday party, and you're getting your little erasers
Speaker 1: and oh and your little can.
Speaker 2: That's your goodie bag. I always thought of getting kicked
Speaker 2: right in the goodie bag. That's what I always think
Speaker 2: of for our show.
Speaker 1: And okay, I'm over here giving away pencils. But all right,
Speaker 1: you guys, kicking you in the nuts, whichever one you prefer, encil.
Speaker 1: Some people like to get kicked the best. Some people
Speaker 1: love it. Well, this goodie bag is really fun. It
Speaker 1: goes from medieval Germany to colonial America to seventeen hundred Sweden,
Speaker 1: and then to Norway in two thousand and four. I say,
Speaker 1: let's get to it.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Hey, their friends come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got
Speaker 4: some joy to tell. There's no match making, a romantic tips.
Speaker 4: It's just about ridiculous relation ship, a love.
Speaker 1: There might be any type.
Speaker 4: Of person at all, and abstract concept or a concrete wall.
Speaker 4: But if there's a story worth the second Clans so
Speaker 4: ridiculous romance.
Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with the siege of Weinsburg.
Speaker 2: Weinsberg, Weinsburg. Oh, ladies, Am I right? We've all sieged?
Speaker 2: Winesburg went through twice after a long day.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Winesburg has seized me. That's for sure.
Speaker 1: This is before Germany was Germany, guys, Because in eleven
Speaker 1: thirty seven the Holy Roman Emperor Lothair the Second died
Speaker 1: and they're.
Speaker 2: Star wars name Loath the Second. I guess you're right,
Speaker 2: Emperor Loath.
Speaker 1: And he looked a lot like Grievous. So there needed
Speaker 1: to be a new Holy Roman Emperor.
Speaker 2: You know, you know Grievous.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know what he looks like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love this look.
Speaker 1: The Holy Roman Emperor Grievous died.
Speaker 2: General Kenoby.
Speaker 1: History would be more interesting if there are more weird
Speaker 1: sidebords now, all right, So there needed to be a
Speaker 1: new Holy Roman Emperor. You can't have a Holy Roman
Speaker 1: Empire without a Holy Roman Emperor. So at the time
Speaker 1: there were these two really powerful dynasties, the vez and
Speaker 1: the Hohenstaufen. I'm sorry, and I don't care if they
Speaker 1: don't stand like that. That soundsome.
Speaker 2: I think they do. That's just what makes Germans such
Speaker 2: an amazing.
Speaker 1: But it might be Howen stealfen Well, the vels Heir
Speaker 1: Henry the Proud was a Bavarian duke. He had also
Speaker 1: been made the Duke of Saxony. He was married to
Speaker 1: Lothair's daughter. He had been with Lothair when he died,
Speaker 1: so he possessed the crown jewels. Basically, this guy was
Speaker 1: a sus ooo or powerful candidate, and he stood for
Speaker 1: election as the King of the Romans, which is already
Speaker 1: very interesting to me that they elected the King of
Speaker 1: the Romans and I didn't know that, but that's cool.
Speaker 1: But local princes did not like Henry the Proud because
Speaker 1: of all the things that made him be called Henry
Speaker 1: the Proud. Apparently they were like, this guy's real high
Speaker 1: in the end step or something.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm just proud, I'm not a hogen Stalfen.
Speaker 1: Oh I hate that. So they elected the Hohenstaufen candidate,
Speaker 1: who was named Conrad the Third, and Conrad told Henry, listen,
Speaker 1: return the royal jewels. Henry said, no problem, I will
Speaker 1: do it. You can be the Holy Roman Emperor. All
Speaker 1: I want is to keep the Duke of Saxony the
Speaker 1: Duchy of Saxony, because Lothair made me the duke and
Speaker 1: you need to ratify it or whatever, okay, And Conrad
Speaker 1: was like, I don't like that if you have two
Speaker 1: duchies or whatever. They're duchies, douchees.
Speaker 2: Don't get too douchey.
Speaker 1: You can't get too douchey around Conrad. But he said,
Speaker 1: no bodyship two dukedoms or whatever. That concentrates too much
Speaker 1: power into one set of hands. But not only did
Speaker 1: he not let him keep the Duke of Saxony, he
Speaker 1: also took away his Duke of Bavaria territories, He took
Speaker 1: away all everything man, and he gave both of them
Speaker 1: to a guy named Leopold, which is also really weird
Speaker 1: because he just said nobody can have two Oh but
Speaker 1: except for my friend Leopold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that really pissed off Henry. Politics just hasn't changed,
Speaker 3: not at all. I'm gonna seriously punish my former candidate
Speaker 3: and rival and reward my friend with the exact thing
Speaker 3: I just said shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Legal, right exactly. So Conrad the third.
Speaker 2: Was he an American senator, really.
Speaker 1: A modern guy kind of guy.
Speaker 2: I'm the best duke, I'm the best emperor that Germany's
Speaker 2: ever had. Everybody says, so.
Speaker 1: It was a perfect, the perfect just like me.
Speaker 2: I am all right. Well, okay, so Henry the Proud
Speaker 2: is feeling a little burnt by.
Speaker 1: All this, and as I would as well.
Speaker 2: His loyal subjects in Saxony and Bavaria were none too
Speaker 2: happy about it either. So with their support behind him,
Speaker 2: Henry the Proud rose up against Conrad and said time
Speaker 2: for a war.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, Henry actually died in eleven thirty nine, so he
Speaker 2: didn't get too far into this war. But his son,
Speaker 2: Henry the Lion, Uh not actually a lion, just disclaimer,
Speaker 2: it's just lion. Like. He was like, I'm picking up
Speaker 2: the mantle. My dad started this war, I'm going to
Speaker 2: continue it. And he continued the conflict himself. He's still
Speaker 2: supported by all the Saxons. So King Conrad is getting
Speaker 2: sick of this shit, and he decided that he was
Speaker 2: going to besiege the city of Weinsberg, where Henry lived,
Speaker 2: and he was going to destroy it and imprison everyone
Speaker 2: who defended it. A against him, He'll just punish anybody who.
Speaker 1: Sports this guy scor policy.
Speaker 2: Now, Weinsberg was not able to last against Conrad's army,
Speaker 2: so they negotiated a surrender in eleven forty. Now, under
Speaker 2: the terms they agreed upon, Conrad said, okay, well we're
Speaker 2: taking the city. We're imprisoning all the men. But the
Speaker 2: women are allowed to leave and take what hover they
Speaker 2: can carry with them. That's the rules I'm setting You
Speaker 2: pick it up, you you can carry it, you can
Speaker 2: take it. Go get out of here, ladies.
Speaker 1: You sounds so much like Frau Blucher right now. I
Speaker 1: just keep excited to be like, ohverty over.
Speaker 2: It feels very doctor scratch and sniff to me at
Speaker 2: any rate, parody German accent, terrible. My apologies to all
Speaker 2: the great people of Germany.
Speaker 1: All right, well, According to the Latin chronicle Chronicle Reggia Coloni,
Speaker 1: which was compared in the eleven seventies, the women heard
Speaker 1: this decree, they kind of thought about it for a minute.
Speaker 1: They look around all their homes and worldly possessions, probably
Speaker 1: exchanged a couple of glances, and looked back at the
Speaker 1: hohen staff an army, like you said, anything we could carry?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's what we said, Oh great.
Speaker 1: And then they hoisted their husbands onto their shoulders and
Speaker 1: carried them out of the town. Oops, you got got
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think that's amazing. Anything I can carry, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna carry my man. She put him across their shoulders.
Speaker 1: Like a furtle, and so I can't took him the
Speaker 1: fuck away from fines.
Speaker 2: Hey, the women of Finsberg, they can lift.
Speaker 1: They must be sturdy, yeah, or.
Speaker 2: The men of Weinsberg a light anyway.
Speaker 1: One of Conrad's dukes protested this, but as the chronic
Speaker 1: estates quote, the king, showing favor to the women's cunning,
Speaker 1: said that it would not be fitting to change his
Speaker 1: royal words incredible, So he let him get away with this.
Speaker 2: Oh, ladies, that's pretty clever.
Speaker 1: I've learned about a loophole.
Speaker 2: Next time you got me. What can I say? I'm
Speaker 2: not too big to admit it now.
Speaker 1: Listen though. This is kind of interesting to me though,
Speaker 1: because I feel like Conrad was likely like, well, now
Speaker 1: you're my subjects. Why do I not want awesome, badass
Speaker 1: intelligence subjects? All right, ladies, get up in here, become
Speaker 1: part of the whole and stuff and family or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, I'm sure that they you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: he just besieged their city. But the fact that he
Speaker 2: was like, okay, all right, I'm gonna let you have
Speaker 2: this one, you know, it probably made it a little
Speaker 2: less hard to subjugate them. It's true, they're probably like that.
Speaker 2: He was nice enough to, Oh, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he was gonna let me keep my tea towels whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they have.
Speaker 2: There was least wife of Winesburg who looked at her
Speaker 2: husband and her tea towels. Wow, it's a really nice teatowel.
Speaker 1: All right, She's like, I just stuffed this very nice
Speaker 1: down mattress, and I don't think I should babe it.
Speaker 1: So there were two to pick from.
Speaker 2: We each got one. Incredible. You can't script that book.
Speaker 2: This the kind of gold we get every day when
Speaker 2: the mites are of Oh all right, well, this incredible
Speaker 2: story became known as the Loyal Wives of Winesburg and
Speaker 2: the Castle Ruins are today known as the weiber Troy,
Speaker 2: which means wifely loyalty. Cute, but most people likely recognize
Speaker 2: this story because it was a plotline in the hit
Speaker 2: film Ever After starring Drew Barrymore, where her character saves
Speaker 2: her prints in the exact same way.
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, she like lifts them off a horse.
Speaker 2: Also, a peace agreement apparently between the Velfs and the
Speaker 2: Hopenstaufins was finally reached in eleven forty two, Just in
Speaker 2: case you're about the political curious about the political ending
Speaker 2: of this story.
Speaker 1: We all, it doesn't really matter because neither of them
Speaker 1: around but anymore, but didn't last. But surely the hohen
Speaker 1: Staffins were like, all right, well, so you guys some
Speaker 1: pretty dead people, So let us let us sit down.
Speaker 2: That a great story.
Speaker 1: I love it. I obsessed.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's turn our heads from Germany to Sweden.
Speaker 2: Some more high quality accents coming on here, We're gonna
Speaker 2: look at the Fallon Copper Mind or Falloon Copper Mind.
Speaker 2: This place operated for a full millennium from the tenth
Speaker 2: century until nineteen ninety two, which is crazy that it
Speaker 2: lasted till just seven years ago. That's wild, just just
Speaker 2: seven years ago ninety two? Wow? Wow, is crazy how
Speaker 2: time goes by. Well, this place supplied more than two
Speaker 2: thirds of the world's copper, right, so you can imagine
Speaker 2: this is like a you know, a pretty giant operation,
Speaker 2: going pretty deep into the mountain to get a long Yeah.
Speaker 2: And on December two of seventeen nineteen, workers opened up
Speaker 2: a long unused tunnel in the mine and they found
Speaker 2: the body of a dead man inside. Both of his
Speaker 2: legs were amputated and missing. But his clothes, skin, and
Speaker 2: hair were all intact. He looked like he just died
Speaker 2: pretty recently. But no one had been reported missing, not
Speaker 2: in the mine or anywhere else nearby. So they pulled
Speaker 2: the body out of the mine, you know, try and
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on in here. And then things
Speaker 2: got even weirder because once the body was out in
Speaker 2: the open air, it started to harden, almost like it
Speaker 2: was turning to stop, and they started calling it the
Speaker 2: petrified miner. I was a petrified miner when I was
Speaker 2: a Jurassic Park I was ten years old, went to
Speaker 2: the theaters and escaped me.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was once a petrified miner. Listen, if I
Speaker 1: had to go into a mine, I would also be
Speaker 1: a petrified miner.
Speaker 2: True, at an age, any age.
Speaker 1: At any time. I don't want to go into a mine.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Now, maybe maybe you know the felon copper workers or
Speaker 1: whoever wanted to figure out who this guy was, or
Speaker 1: maybe somebody just had an eye for a dollar.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: For some reason, it was decided to put the petrified
Speaker 1: miner's body on display, and one day a local named
Speaker 1: Margaret Old's daughter went to see it, and, imagine her surprise,
Speaker 1: she gazed on the hardened, intact face of this miner
Speaker 1: and realized she knew exactly who it was. It was
Speaker 1: her fiance, Matt's Israel's watch. By the way, fat matts
Speaker 1: means fat Matt oh. Okay, so his name was just
Speaker 1: Matt oh. And I guess he was a little there.
Speaker 1: There were three mats. I hate fat mat He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: proud of it, right. But this was even weirder because
Speaker 1: fat fat Matt had not disappeared recently at all. Margaret
Speaker 1: informed the authorities that he had actually disappeared in March
Speaker 1: sixteen seventy seven, forty two years before he was found
Speaker 1: looking perfectly preserved in this tunnel. What so, what is
Speaker 1: going on here?
Speaker 2: Creepy?
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to tell you right after we hear
Speaker 1: these fine words welcome back.
Speaker 2: Okay, So real spooky stuff here. A body was found
Speaker 2: in a mine, looking pretty fresh, looking ripe. It comes
Speaker 2: outside and it turns to stone, and the only person
Speaker 2: to claim she knew who it was says it was
Speaker 2: her fiance who disappeared forty two years earlier. Well, what
Speaker 2: the miners had found was actually a natural mummy, and that's,
Speaker 2: of course when a body is unintentionally preserved by environmental
Speaker 2: factors like extreme cold temperatures or low oxygen environments like bogs.
Speaker 2: If anyone remembers our recripulous romance episode about the bog
Speaker 2: body murder, fet Mattz is a lot like the Natural
Speaker 2: Mummy from that episode that tricked poor Peter into confessing
Speaker 2: that he'd killed his wife. That's right, that's a great episode. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's so good. So Fet Matts actually had died decades before,
Speaker 2: and he was just naturally preserved by the mine. So
Speaker 2: they did what any logical, forward thinking town would do,
Speaker 2: and they put his body on display and charged tickets
Speaker 2: to come see him for another thirty years. One Swedish naturalist,
Speaker 2: Carl Linnaeus went to see him and suggested, Oh, this guy,
Speaker 2: he's not petrified. He's actually covered in vitriol, which is
Speaker 2: so known as copper sulfate.
Speaker 1: Nandor is cute you doing in here?
Speaker 2: You will all forget that I ever did this accent.
Speaker 1: I wish I could.
Speaker 2: I wish it was the people of Sweden also, So anyway,
Speaker 2: he's saying, this wasn't petrified, but it was covered in
Speaker 2: this copper sulfate. And once the copper sulfate was cleaned
Speaker 2: off the body, he said it would start to decay naturally.
Speaker 2: They did, and it did, which if I hope they
Speaker 2: opened a window.
Speaker 1: Seriously, the man disgusting, but for a guy who never
Speaker 1: got married, that match inspired a lot of lovers. So
Speaker 1: after Margaret identified him, a second woman allegedly came forward,
Speaker 1: also claiming to be his fiance, which could have been
Speaker 1: a fun triangle for us to dive into, but most
Speaker 1: people thought that she was just doing it to collect
Speaker 1: miners widow's benefits.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, she was just lying.
Speaker 1: And also, while fet Mats was on display for thirty years,
Speaker 1: he became a really big inspiration for German romanticists. They
Speaker 1: wrote like short stories and ballads about him. Wagner even
Speaker 1: wrote a libretto about him in eighteen forty two. So then,
Speaker 1: finally fet Mats was buried in seventeen forty nine and
Speaker 1: rested in peace until the eighteen sixties when the church
Speaker 1: was doing some renovations. They unearthed beet Mats once more,
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody had an eye for a dollar because
Speaker 1: they decided to put him back on display.
Speaker 2: What he can't have looked very good at that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Like I don't know. But anyway, in the nineteen
Speaker 1: thirties he was finally finally laid to rest in the
Speaker 1: church's graveyard. Okay, so for somebody who died unknown, unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to anyone. In sixteen seventy seven, he kind of got around.
Speaker 2: Do we know why his limbs were all missing?
Speaker 1: Like speculation station? Okay, this is gory, Okay, but I'm
Speaker 1: imagining gets shut up in a tunnel, he doesn't die
Speaker 1: right away. Did he eat his own legs, ate.
Speaker 2: His own limbs.
Speaker 1: Or I don't know how, maybe gets stuck under a
Speaker 1: rock fall or something. It's like a twenty seven hour situation.
Speaker 2: I was wondering if his limbs decayed before they were
Speaker 2: before his body.
Speaker 1: Was preserved, but why how would it have done that?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't lose all the temperature in
Speaker 2: your arms and legs first, like I know geologists.
Speaker 1: You lose all the temperature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean your arm's cool off first because
Speaker 2: they're not at the center of your body. That's science.
Speaker 1: Probably that's something like I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I was definitely like the implications are dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe guy eat by rats or something.
Speaker 2: Rats.
Speaker 1: We're talking to mine. It could be anything in.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff in mind, but a water filled.
Speaker 1: Tunnel, so oh there was some water in there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's very interesting scientifically.
Speaker 2: Though, what can happen in forty two years?
Speaker 1: Very true?
Speaker 2: Well gross?
Speaker 1: And I also wonder about Margaret old Statta because it's
Speaker 1: like forty two years went by since her fiance disappeared.
Speaker 1: Huh did she ever get married? Because she clearly didn't care.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, yeah, this's my fiance. But I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all keep looking at him. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: Oh man, so I'm like a shitty boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Speculationation he was a shitty boyfriend. She chopped off all
Speaker 2: his limbs and threw him in the mine. Oh shit,
Speaker 2: but she was smarter than Peter. When they found him.
Speaker 2: She didn't confess, that's right. She was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you got god, he disappears long ago.
Speaker 1: How weird. That's that kind of thing about history that
Speaker 1: makes me happy. Is it just evidence of little nicknames?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know things like that. We're just like,
Speaker 1: this is just a guy who would go hang out
Speaker 1: after work, you know, and everyone's like, he is that mad, he's.
Speaker 2: A club you know, what a fun what a not
Speaker 2: fun story? I don't know. I almost said what a
Speaker 2: fun story? That little last bit was fun, That last.
Speaker 1: Bit was fun.
Speaker 2: Pretty horrific, Poor Fett, I would say the opposite of fun,
Speaker 2: poor f Matt. Yeah, weird. All right, Well, let's move
Speaker 2: a little forward in history backwards. Let's move somewhere in history.
Speaker 1: Backwards, little backwards.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I guess that's yeah, that's fine. We love going
Speaker 2: back in time. Yeah, go, I'm back and we're going
Speaker 2: to the sixteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: England Thomasine Hall. She was born in Newcastle upon Tyne
Speaker 2: right around the year sixteen hundred. This person was raised
Speaker 2: as a woman. She was wearing women's clothes, doing women's
Speaker 2: work like making lace. No exclusively for women, only a
Speaker 2: lady's job. But in sixteen twenty four Thomasine had enough
Speaker 2: of that. She chopped off her hair. She changed her
Speaker 2: name to Thomas, and they followed their brother into the
Speaker 2: army when England declared more on Spain. But then this
Speaker 2: Thomas left the army, came home, grew the hair back
Speaker 2: out and said, nope on Thomasine again.
Speaker 1: Time to make some lace.
Speaker 2: Time to get back to making lace. I did was
Speaker 2: a soldier for a while. Going back to lace making,
Speaker 2: one of these things is more comfortable than the other.
Speaker 1: Making lace is hard work, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, in sixteen twenty seven they decided to travel
Speaker 2: to colonial Virginia, and then again they became Thomas Hall,
Speaker 2: dressing in men's clothes. And that's because traveling as a
Speaker 2: single woman wasn't super comfortable or safe, and also because
Speaker 2: Thomasine intended to be an indenture, that is, someone who
Speaker 2: worked for free in the New World in exchange for
Speaker 2: their passage over. That contracts very eat. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people were taking advantage of in this system,
Speaker 2: but usually there was a seven year indenture, and of
Speaker 2: course male indentures were worth more than females. Uh so
Speaker 2: they could pay off their debt more quickly because you
Speaker 2: had to make a lot of lace.
Speaker 1: Ship ticket, clean, a lot of scruble, lot of chamber pots.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when Thomas got to Virginia, they dressed like a man,
Speaker 1: they acted like a man. They did hard labor in
Speaker 1: the fields cultivating tobacco plant But then Thomasine started alternating
Speaker 1: their appearance. They would dress as a man one day
Speaker 1: and as a woman the next. And that just caused
Speaker 1: a lot of drama in this small colonial village.
Speaker 2: Right. I was gonna ask, is this like Missus Doubtfire,
Speaker 2: where she's pretending that there's two different people, or she's
Speaker 2: just like today, I'm Thomas, today I'm Thomasine.
Speaker 1: I think it was more like that. It was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, today, I'm wearing the apron, get used to
Speaker 1: doing some sweeping.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm making your lace, I'm scrubbing your pots, whatever,
Speaker 2: and I'm picking the tabat checked it up.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I contain multitude.
Speaker 2: If anyone's ever said this.
Speaker 3: Multitude, sue are contradict myself.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this this is just Couslona tra I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about Puritans here. So anything anyone doing anything
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary at any time was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: something's going down. We got to all get together and
Speaker 1: talk about this whatever. And then, to make matters worse,
Speaker 1: rumors started flying that Thomasine had slept with a maid.
Speaker 1: Now this could be a really big problem. If Thomasine
Speaker 1: was a man, was Thomas, they were guilty of fornication
Speaker 1: and they needed to be punished absolutely, because this is
Speaker 1: a very punished based religion s. But if Thomasine was
Speaker 1: a woman, then funnily enough, no crime had been committed
Speaker 1: at all. Ladies sleeping with ladies, puritans, no problem. They
Speaker 1: were like, no sex is happening. They just were laying
Speaker 1: together in a bed, sometimes on top of each other,
Speaker 1: sometimes not.
Speaker 2: If you can't have sex, if the thing's not going
Speaker 2: inside the thing, what else could that be? Ow?
Speaker 1: Oh, they were roommates, they're just very good friends. So
Speaker 1: they really need to find out if Thomas was thomas
Speaker 1: or if Thomasin was Thomasine. They had to know for sure.
Speaker 1: So three very respected women examined Thomasin and they came
Speaker 1: out and they said, that's a man, no question about it.
Speaker 1: That is one percent of dude.
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
Speaker 1: But then Thomasin's employer, John Tyne, who owned the indentures,
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, Thomasine's a woman. Thomasin works for me.
Speaker 1: They do woman stuff. I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Then things got even more complicated because another farmer named
Speaker 1: John Atkins said, I want to buy Thomasine's indenture and
Speaker 1: have them work for me, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: buy it unless I know which gender they are. Because
Speaker 1: as we already said males are worth more than females,
Speaker 1: so that would change Atkins' price. Yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I need to know how much you know this person
Speaker 1: is worth, which is a crazy thing to say.
Speaker 2: If I could get a woman's price for that laborer,
Speaker 2: for that farm laborer, that I'm it's a good deal, right,
Speaker 2: women in it?
Speaker 1: Now that's true. Maybe that was more it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I a woman, but you can work as a man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's John Atkins should have been thinking. He wasn't thinking.
Speaker 1: He should have been like, yeah, Thomasine, total girl, here's
Speaker 1: four dollars. Now I get to do seven dollars worth
Speaker 1: of work with you.
Speaker 2: Right. So now a third farmer comes in to interview Thomasine,
Speaker 2: and Thomasine confessed that they were born with both male
Speaker 2: and female genitalia, but quote had not the use of
Speaker 2: their male part.
Speaker 1: That's right, they were they were an intersex person right now.
Speaker 2: The farmers all agreed that Thomasine was a woman, but
Speaker 2: the three women who had initially examined her were not
Speaker 2: happy with that verdict, so they decided that they were
Speaker 2: gonna examine Thomasine again, but this time, no heads up,
Speaker 2: no no fair warning, or prep time they went in
Speaker 2: there to look while Thomasine was asleep, no consent, no warning,
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna lift the sheets up here and take
Speaker 2: a look for myself. Now. Another time, Thomasine was just
Speaker 2: walking down the road and two men decided to examine
Speaker 2: them right there in public. Again, no permission.
Speaker 1: Now this is crazy to me. They're just walking down
Speaker 1: the street and somebody decides to like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: throw up their skirt, like throw them on their back
Speaker 1: on the streets and just expose their genitals to everybody.
Speaker 1: Now I know too that like I believe, at least
Speaker 1: in this you know, bodily autonomy was not a thing
Speaker 1: like people. You know, it was like your body doesn't
Speaker 1: really belong to you, especially if you're a woman. So
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go look at whatever I
Speaker 1: can touch and i can look. But this seems insane
Speaker 1: for such a conservative society again to just be like
Speaker 1: flash the whole village right now, try to figure out
Speaker 1: whether you're a man or a woman.
Speaker 2: But you know that's what they're trying to do in
Speaker 2: places like Florida and stuff that It's just like I'm
Speaker 2: going to I'm first I brought up the shame for it,
Speaker 2: and now I'm going to use that against you because
Speaker 2: I don't have shame, right, I'm just trying to shame you, right,
Speaker 2: And I mean you have.
Speaker 1: To assume if there was no question about what gender
Speaker 1: this person was, there's no fucking way that anyone would
Speaker 1: let them examine them in the street. Do you know
Speaker 1: they would have gotten in trouble for that. But because
Speaker 1: they were unusual in some way or another, their body
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to them even more, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm allowed to look at it, touch it, humiliate you,
Speaker 1: display it however I want, because it's different than I
Speaker 1: think it should be.
Speaker 2: But does it not also feel like at a certain
Speaker 2: point that is the long term goal is like I
Speaker 2: want to just be able to do that to anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to be able to you know, it's sort
Speaker 2: of a stop and frisk, like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: really sure what gender you are, so I should be
Speaker 2: allowed to look.
Speaker 1: And people out there are not smart. So I saw
Speaker 1: somebody staying that women don't have anybody here at all,
Speaker 1: including arm hair, So if you have arm hair, you
Speaker 1: must be a man. People are sorry, but that is
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, so anyway, it's just upsetting. But this
Speaker 1: is you know, American history, y'all goes way back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these guys that stopped Thomasine on the street
Speaker 2: examined and said that thomasin was quote a perfect man.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, that's so nice, me a perfect man. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: mishumiliation is good of nice.
Speaker 2: Well, it was decided there that Thomas should wear men's clothes,
Speaker 2: do men's stuff, go by Thomas, all that, But Thomas
Speaker 2: was not going to get away with pretending to be
Speaker 2: a woman. Now that we've decided you're a perfect man,
Speaker 2: you need to be punished. So in sixteen twenty nine,
Speaker 2: they dragged Thomas thomasin to court, right, and this.
Speaker 1: Is why know this story. Yes, of course there's court
Speaker 1: proceedings recording recordings of this.
Speaker 2: They wanted history to know what they were doing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they thought this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: We need to really make some precedents for some reason
Speaker 1: on this. And weirdly, the governor who was deciding everything,
Speaker 1: you know, the judge sure I guess injury of the time,
Speaker 1: decided that you know, ruled officially that Thomasine was both
Speaker 1: male and female, rather than picking one and saying stick
Speaker 1: to it. It was like said, you're both.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we can say the BINARYA is rigid.
Speaker 2: Perhaps gender is fluid and the society will construct.
Speaker 1: If only, if only, because that was not the case
Speaker 1: at all. That does sound kind of progressive from today's standards,
Speaker 1: I guess, But unfortunately, the sentence that Thomasine was given
Speaker 1: was that they had to wear both men's and women's clothings,
Speaker 1: So they had to wear the shirt and breeches of
Speaker 1: a man and the apron and cap of a woman
Speaker 1: at all times, Like at all times, that was your
Speaker 1: outfit now, And PBS points out that actually this was
Speaker 1: kind of the cruelest punishment that the judge could could
Speaker 1: have come up with, because it meant that no matter
Speaker 1: where Thomasin went in the world, everyone knew they were different.
Speaker 1: They couldn't hide anymore. And this was this was a
Speaker 1: society that truly prized conformity. You know, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be out of step with anybody. So this was
Speaker 1: a real, real.
Speaker 2: Punishment, probably kids giggling in the street, not.
Speaker 1: A moment's piece, you know. Ever again, you know, and unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Thomasin disappears from the written record after sixteen twenty nine
Speaker 1: after this case was decided. There's nothing else written, so
Speaker 1: no idea if they stayed in the village, if they
Speaker 1: what happened to them, But you know, no marriage likely
Speaker 1: was allowed for them, so they couldn't build a family.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it just was probably the most
Speaker 1: fucked up thing you could have done a scene. And then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, many many, many years later, Catherine
Speaker 1: Hepburn would go to jail for wearing pants as well.
Speaker 2: Wild wow, But that is just an.
Speaker 1: Interesting kind of look at colonial politics and being intersex
Speaker 1: in history. I just think that's crazy, fascinating that like
Speaker 1: examination in the streets, Yeah all that. Yeah, I'm furious.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wish I could time travel back to sixteen twenty
Speaker 1: nine punch him in the face. Yeah, just a nice
Speaker 1: punch in the face. I could. I wouldn't change it
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you could change it, but
Speaker 1: I would punch him in the face.
Speaker 2: I want to go back in time and show them, like,
Speaker 2: you know, one of those JQ spreads of Harry Styles. Yes,
Speaker 2: I like, look at that future, you losers.
Speaker 1: Honestly, in sixteen hundred, they'd probably be like, look, we
Speaker 1: left all that court stuff behind for the aristocrats because
Speaker 1: they were all wearing lace and yeah, and dresses and
Speaker 1: high heels and buckles, and I mean men were very beautiful.
Speaker 1: They were very powdered and painted in sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the women were dirty in their hands making
Speaker 2: all that lace.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: More men, probably more more lace than women because they
Speaker 1: had little those ruffles.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they had more money, I will.
Speaker 1: So they probably look at Harry Styles and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: seen it. Whatever, I've seen better embroidery on you know,
Speaker 1: Lord Chiswick, but I don't know who that is.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're gonna go find a whole Lord
Speaker 2: Chiswick was We're going to take a quick break. We
Speaker 2: do have one more story for y'all, and we're going
Speaker 2: to tell you about how you can have sex to
Speaker 2: save the world. We're back with that right after this.
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Speaker 1: entertaining encounter was, because I still I'm.
Speaker 2: Very I want to know, all right. Fuck for Forrest
Speaker 2: is an environmental activism organization founded in two thousand and
Speaker 2: four by an early twenties Norwegian couple named Tommy Howel
Speaker 2: Ellingsen and Leanna Johansen. Now they wanted to do some
Speaker 2: good in the world. A lot of early twenties s
Speaker 2: folks looking out there for you know, their way to
Speaker 2: make a change. Yeah. Sure, And as Tommy says, quote,
Speaker 2: we had nothing, just our bodies. You don't even want
Speaker 2: to know what they keeping their tuperware? Sorry, good and
Speaker 2: ill did. So these two realize that, hey, you know
Speaker 2: what makes a lot of money out there, porn, that's right,
Speaker 2: So they said, quote, why not use that money for good?
Speaker 2: So they told the Norwegian government that they were starting
Speaker 2: an alternative environmental activism group. They got some seed money
Speaker 2: and they started up a website where you can pay
Speaker 2: twenty bucks a month for a subscription to access a
Speaker 2: bunch of their sex tapes and photos. Now SFGate dot
Speaker 2: Com looked at their stuff, so we didn't have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: And they say that it's mostly the quote gentle burning
Speaker 2: men esque Tommy and Leona and their friends having sex
Speaker 2: in various combinations, often in the outdoors, of course, but
Speaker 2: also in sex clubs, apartments, and studios, and that the
Speaker 2: content quote runs the gamut from couplings involving vegetables used
Speaker 2: as sex toys to performances by scary looking, shaven headed
Speaker 2: German goths and is unflinchingly graphic. All right, wow, okay.
Speaker 1: All I can think it was Mac from Always Sunny
Speaker 1: being like, now that's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Where because you know how, what was that website again?
Speaker 2: Horrific? I can't believe the stuff's out there. Tell me
Speaker 2: the website so I can be sure to block it.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure if I have a filter setup.
Speaker 2: I don't accidentally log in, create an account and pay
Speaker 2: twenty dollars a month. He said, twenty right, is that
Speaker 2: American dollars?
Speaker 1: That American organ Well, things got controversial fast, as you
Speaker 1: can imagine. When Tommy and Leona went to a music
Speaker 1: festival in two thousand and four to promote their organization.
Speaker 1: They got on stage with a band called the Coum Shots.
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. All right, we're on theme here.
Speaker 2: For when or when gar wasn't available.
Speaker 1: I guess when is too tame, you call the gumshots.
Speaker 1: And they gave a speech about the human impact on forests,
Speaker 1: and then they asked the crowd. It was about five
Speaker 1: thousand people there, and they asked them how far would
Speaker 1: you go to save the world? And you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: surely cheering. I'm like, I like the world. I like
Speaker 1: the world. Meanwhile, they're taking their clothes off. Oh there's
Speaker 1: there's strip speeching, okay, and then they started doing it
Speaker 1: on stage while a banner was raised that explained that
Speaker 1: they were having sex to save the rainforest, which I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you need a reason, I guess public exposure.
Speaker 2: I'm like imagining a guy jerking off on the Marta
Speaker 2: train being like, no, it's to save the rainforest.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's not really something you can.
Speaker 2: Just say to excuse the public in decency.
Speaker 1: It's not really And yeah, I mean maybe the crowd
Speaker 1: for a band called the Coum Shots didn't really have
Speaker 1: many objections to this I don't know for sure, but
Speaker 1: of course Tommy and Leona got fined ten thousand kroner
Speaker 1: or about one thousand, four hundred and seventy dollars apiece.
Speaker 1: Wow for a public sex act. Sure, because as you say,
Speaker 1: is public in DC. You can't have sex in front
Speaker 1: of a lot of people without asking them all first
Speaker 1: and making sure everybody's down and there's no kids, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Who wants to get up here and give me a
Speaker 2: hand job to save the whales?
Speaker 1: I know the whales will really appreciate it. And Tommy
Speaker 1: thought that it wasn't very fair that they got fined
Speaker 1: because Norway was fighting in a rock and they show
Speaker 1: violence on TV every day, and if we had only
Speaker 1: said it was performance art, they would have gotten away
Speaker 1: with it. A lot of different excuses coming from Tommy. Okay,
Speaker 1: another thing, then another, and I was like, none of
Speaker 1: these things are related to your public sex act, sir,
Speaker 1: About okay.
Speaker 2: We're having sex on stage to fund the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: He would have been fine with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get his point that, like it's annoying
Speaker 1: up in arms about sex when you are fine with
Speaker 1: like people's boy murders and bloody stuff, but like still
Speaker 1: a bit of a straw man. So you know, obviously
Speaker 1: we can tell they don't really respect this court decision
Speaker 1: at all. So they showed up in court dressed in
Speaker 1: children's clothes. Tommy dropped his pants at one point and
Speaker 1: showed his penis. Okay, I'm sure the children's close thing
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're not grown adult, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they were trying to act like it
Speaker 1: was being patronizing or something, regulate sex or something. I
Speaker 1: imagine that was the message.
Speaker 2: Behind right right, you're just treating us like kids, right,
Speaker 2: can't handle?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, and then Tommy you know, dropped his pants,
Speaker 1: showed us penis. Very creative.
Speaker 2: He's spreading around out.
Speaker 1: And they're like, not really and it's Norway and they're
Speaker 1: probably just like, I don't know, I have seen better.
Speaker 2: For a court case somewhat entertaining. I guess maybe that.
Speaker 1: Might be the most interesting court cases.
Speaker 2: Only the third time a deck has come out in
Speaker 2: the courtroom this year.
Speaker 1: Tommy also told the paper Nede Weissen quote, we would
Speaker 1: have liked to have fucked here in court as well.
Speaker 1: It's a nice space, but we would probably be thrown
Speaker 1: in jail.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, they left Norway after this, and Fuck for
Speaker 1: Forrest made their new headquarters in Berlin.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's where his senses kicked in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, well, all right, sex, the courtroom is a
Speaker 2: little too far.
Speaker 1: That's too much. They'll probably throw us in jail for
Speaker 1: fucking in front of all of them for no reason.
Speaker 2: It's not like a Cumpshots concert.
Speaker 1: Let's be reasonable, which.
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, the Cumpshots pull five thousand people. That's
Speaker 2: a pretty good crowd.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a whole music festival. But that's not
Speaker 1: that's not bad though. It still five thousand that's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more than we had for any of our
Speaker 2: live particulous promurements. Ye, both of them, both of them.
Speaker 2: All right. Well. Tommy also says that within three months
Speaker 2: of their arrest, they attracted one thousand new subscribers to
Speaker 2: their site. In fact, Fuck for Forrest collected one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars within their first year from subscriptions, So you
Speaker 2: know what, take that. Yeah, fuck the haters.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: We're saving the environment here.
Speaker 1: I wish my nonprofit would raise one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: in the first year.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what you have to do. I will
Speaker 2: not participate.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to be able to do
Speaker 1: that either.
Speaker 2: Well, there was only one problem with raising all this money.
Speaker 2: None of the environmental nonprofits that they reached out to
Speaker 2: would accept this Cross Sex money.
Speaker 1: That's right after this controversy at the Cumshots concert.
Speaker 2: They said, we're gonna need you to figuratively and literally
Speaker 2: launder that much. Yes, more, we'll take it.
Speaker 1: I mean a good point. We don't know where that's been.
Speaker 2: So they decided that they were going to work out
Speaker 2: a way to give the money directly to indigenous people
Speaker 2: in Costa Rica and Brazil to purchase and preserve the rainforest.
Speaker 2: This again sounds pretty cool in theory. We often think like, man,
Speaker 2: if I had all this money, I would just go
Speaker 2: on to go hand it to people who needed it.
Speaker 1: It's true because you think about Red Cross or you
Speaker 1: know some of the really big ones, and they spend
Speaker 1: a lot of their money on administration, right or fundraising
Speaker 1: or like stuff, not the thing itself.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, that can be really frustrating about charity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to show up with the cash
Speaker 2: and give it to who needs it, but a documentary
Speaker 2: called Fuck for Forest, whose tagline is have sex, Save
Speaker 2: the World, that came out in two thousand and six
Speaker 2: and followed them to Peru to give all this money away.
Speaker 2: According to critical reviews, Tommy and Leona and their friends
Speaker 2: aren't really welcomed there with open arms. The locals, of course,
Speaker 2: didn't trust them. No, you just got these very white
Speaker 2: I mean, it's as white as you can get it.
Speaker 1: They're dreadhead hippie looking, you know, basically not teenagers, but
Speaker 1: very young, very young people.
Speaker 2: And you know, the locals kind of make a point
Speaker 2: of telling them that they just showing up with cash
Speaker 2: is not really very useful. Their poverty that they're experiencing
Speaker 2: is lifelong and generational and has a lot to do,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, with people coming in and taking their resources
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So you might buy me some meals,
Speaker 2: you might patch a hole in my roof, whatever, But
Speaker 2: what they really needed, they said, are jobs and sustainable
Speaker 2: sources of income. Right.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I think the Fuck for
Speaker 1: Forest people are like, you would buy you know, an
Speaker 1: acre of this rainforest and that would be yours now,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't log it, and they couldn't fuck around.
Speaker 1: But I imagine the indigenous people are like, you're talking
Speaker 1: about a David and Goliath situation where sure we can
Speaker 1: buy hectares worth of the fucking rainforest, but if they
Speaker 1: want to come through and log it or fuck, they
Speaker 1: can do that. Like we don't have power against these
Speaker 1: companies that you think. It's not just about ownership necessarily,
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure that is a big piece of
Speaker 1: the puzzle, yea, not everything. So it was they were
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to, i mean, kind of shake
Speaker 1: them into reality. I think a little bit.
Speaker 2: I remember in the nineties are like elementary school class
Speaker 2: buying an acre of the rainforest or something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like, I wonder.
Speaker 2: If that's still there. Did that work? I wonder that
Speaker 2: you And also can I go there? And I'll be like, Hi,
Speaker 2: it's me from Miss Models first grade class nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: They have like a brick with your name on it.
Speaker 2: I expect nothing less.
Speaker 1: This is your tree. I thank you for your granola
Speaker 1: bar money whatever.
Speaker 2: I only well, okay, well, we'll say that documentary does
Speaker 2: have some marks against it because critics didn't feel like
Speaker 2: it really followed through on that revelation about the indigenous
Speaker 2: reaction or if that reality check really did anything for
Speaker 2: Tommy and Leona or the other Fuck for Forest members.
Speaker 2: So like, you know, we could have used more information,
Speaker 2: I think, is what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, that might have been a better
Speaker 1: story overall. It is to be like, so, if y'all
Speaker 1: are really going to do this, you need to be intentional, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing about how they're not. They
Speaker 1: don't have a nonprofit in the strict sense of the word, right,
Speaker 1: it's not set up like one, but that's kind of
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and you need strategy to
Speaker 1: be a nonprofit. You need to know where the money's going,
Speaker 1: how it's being spent, and what's who's being serviced by it,
Speaker 1: and it has to be pretty otherwise it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 1: It's just money being flown around to different hands that
Speaker 1: doesn't really affect make lasting change. So it's really too
Speaker 1: bad that it doesn't get into that because it feels
Speaker 1: like that was really probably what they needed to hear
Speaker 1: the most. But controversy around Fuck for Forrest was renewed
Speaker 1: and twenty eleven, when three members went up to the
Speaker 1: Altar naked and simulated sex during Mass at the Oslo Cathedral.
Speaker 2: In my way, I remember this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like the one of the priests was like,
Speaker 1: I just feel sorry for them that they felt the
Speaker 1: need to do that or whatever. And the only reason
Speaker 1: these three gave was that they quote wanted to express
Speaker 1: their love.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: But of course they did get some new subscribers out
Speaker 1: of it, so I imagine they just do these stunts
Speaker 1: to like kind of call attention to them, the organization,
Speaker 1: and get some more people to the site.
Speaker 2: Mass at the Oslo Cathedral. Oh, I just wanted to
Speaker 2: express them. Let me give you a list of places
Speaker 2: you could express your love. Right, that's not the center
Speaker 2: of a you know of a big family event.
Speaker 1: Like a religious ceremony, a.
Speaker 2: Religious ceremony, bedrooms right, public bathrooms, common place comshots, performances.
Speaker 2: You know, you just go to a concert. There's plenty
Speaker 2: of opportunities. You guys chose Mass.
Speaker 1: They were trying to get some inks billed about them
Speaker 1: and get some folks to the website. I'm not mad
Speaker 1: at them or anything for that. It just seems annoying
Speaker 1: that they would go. I don't I'm not a religious person.
Speaker 1: The organized religions are usually used for evil, this seems
Speaker 1: to be these days, and greed, and so I don't
Speaker 1: find them to be super sacred, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people do. And if they're at mass at a cathedral,
Speaker 1: you know, that's just disrespectful in a way that's kind
Speaker 1: of unsavory to me.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of places that I don't necessarily respect
Speaker 2: the institution, but I'm not going to go and disrupt it.
Speaker 2: Like I sat nice and quietly through that entire DC
Speaker 2: movie last night.
Speaker 1: You sure did you know?
Speaker 2: And actually I was pleasantly surprised. So I could have
Speaker 2: caused a ruckus.
Speaker 1: I could have made trouble. So Fuck for Forrest is
Speaker 1: still in operation today according to their website, which is
Speaker 1: fuck Forforest dot com. There you go, don't go to it.
Speaker 2: We're at work, Romance bump.
Speaker 1: Night out right, they be like, what happened? Don't go
Speaker 1: to it if you're a work though, because I did
Speaker 1: visit it when we were at switch Yards and it's
Speaker 1: full of very graphic naked photos. So I had to
Speaker 1: like be like click out of that website because some
Speaker 1: people are going to be like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: that girl doing? But anyway, according to their website. They
Speaker 1: do have eight thousand activists providing contents to the website,
Speaker 1: so a lot of variety. I suppose. It's still not
Speaker 1: super clear how successful they are at distributing their money,
Speaker 1: but they do list several projects they say they funded
Speaker 1: over the years. They also claim that eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the money they collect goes to environmental causes.
Speaker 2: Okay, the other twenty percent goes to lube.
Speaker 1: Or cucumbers and cucumbers, I should say, so, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about fuck for forest?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like this is worth it? Do you
Speaker 1: think they're doing it right? I mean, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Look, I have a complicated, not a complicated relationship. I
Speaker 2: just I just find myself with complicated feelings about environmental
Speaker 2: activism groups a lot of the times, because I strongly
Speaker 2: feel that there should be more rage and noise and
Speaker 2: attention brought to environmental issues for all the passion I
Speaker 2: have for social issues that we have in this country
Speaker 2: across the world, which are paramount, I mean, the utmost importance.
Speaker 2: But they also don't mean, dick, if the planet kills
Speaker 2: us all, you're right, which I very much, And I
Speaker 2: don't know why this isn't the most obvious thing in
Speaker 2: the world to everyone. The planet is a living body,
Speaker 2: and much like our own bodies, when it feels sick,
Speaker 2: when it feels when its systems are imbalanced, it will
Speaker 2: heat up to try and kill the thing that is
Speaker 2: hurting it. That's literally what our bodies do. That's what
Speaker 2: a fever is, is trying to cook and kill the
Speaker 2: things in there that can't survive at those heats. That's
Speaker 2: what the Earth is doing to us as we speak,
Speaker 2: because we're making it exactly instead of I do like
Speaker 2: want to scream that from the rooftops, shake people until
Speaker 2: they pay attention, et cetera, et cetera. But I also
Speaker 2: think that you're not getting the right attention when you
Speaker 2: go out and irritate people to try and get them,
Speaker 2: you know, like throwing paint on you know, throwing shit
Speaker 2: on famous paintings that was going on last year, that
Speaker 2: was real big for a minute. There's value in protest,
Speaker 2: and there's value in disruption. There's even some value in
Speaker 2: you know, breaking windows and burning shit down. At a
Speaker 2: certain point. It has worked in the past to disrupt
Speaker 2: some pretty evil stuff. But also when you need everyone
Speaker 2: on your side, just angering them, ruining their religious ceremonies
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't see
Speaker 2: the evidence that shows that this brings you progress right now.
Speaker 2: So if they just want to fuck and sell porn
Speaker 2: and donate that money to good causes, I wish those
Speaker 2: organizations would accept that money.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 2: The money's money I have covered in the cumshots, right.
Speaker 1: I think it is weird that they were like, I'm
Speaker 1: not taking your money.
Speaker 2: That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I understand if you're like, oh, this is a well
Speaker 1: known pedophile. I'm not taking their money. I get that,
Speaker 1: but like, this is all consensual, so it's like who
Speaker 1: gives a shit?
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?
Speaker 1: It seems it does seem a little prudish of the
Speaker 1: non profits to be like, well, if you make money
Speaker 1: from sex, I can't somehow use that for leaves and
Speaker 1: trees and shit, Like why not?
Speaker 2: There might they might, now I don't know. Again, speculation
Speaker 2: station here. There might be an issue where they say, look, legally,
Speaker 2: I have to put you on our website if you
Speaker 2: donate this money. If I put fuck for Forest on
Speaker 2: my website, Google will stop showing my results to you know,
Speaker 2: Like it could be something like that where we don't
Speaker 2: really understand why. There's a real challenge there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know. These are also Norwegian uh
Speaker 1: ron profits specifically, I don't know what their rules are.
Speaker 2: So theirs would be doogle boat let me go on
Speaker 2: my babe site.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's sorry. I'm sorry Norway, that's the one.
Speaker 2: Sorry to the entire Scandinavian region.
Speaker 1: Yes, we are sorry to finish.
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to you yet.
Speaker 1: Oh god, why would you? Why would you start?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Also the same exact accent for those.
Speaker 1: It's different in Finland, man, But I was going to
Speaker 1: say to your point, there is like a for example,
Speaker 1: there's an organization called Femen I think, okay, it's a
Speaker 1: women's organism, a women's rights organization in Ukraine and they
Speaker 1: do topless protests for women's rights and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is like a lot of people come to Ukraine
Speaker 1: and get or a lot of sex trafficking comes out
Speaker 1: of you apparently. And so they were like, Ukraine is
Speaker 1: not a brothel. Is like a movie they made a
Speaker 1: documentary they made about that, stuff like that, and they
Speaker 1: said specific you know, people were like, these bitches are
Speaker 1: always making so much trouble and whatever. And these ladies
Speaker 1: are like, the thing is is that when we protest
Speaker 1: not topless, nobody covers it. It's you know, punintended, but nobody.
Speaker 1: There's no attention. When we're topless, there's attension, and we
Speaker 1: bring awareness to because people notice and they want to
Speaker 1: be mad. It's like it's almost like rage engagement stupid
Speaker 1: food videos, but in this case it is actually for
Speaker 1: social activist reason. They're like, when we don't take our
Speaker 1: titties out, y'all don't care what we're saying, but we
Speaker 1: do get what we need when we do, so that's
Speaker 1: how we're going to do it. And they've been beaten
Speaker 1: up and prisoned, they've gotten death threats for doing this,
Speaker 1: so it's not it is it requires a lot of
Speaker 1: bravery for them to do that. And I understand that
Speaker 1: it seems like, I don't know, a little like a
Speaker 1: ten grabby or something. But they do make a good
Speaker 1: point that sometimes the nudity it's not about being I
Speaker 1: don't want to be naked for y'all, it's not like that.
Speaker 1: It's just that it will capture your attention because we're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing that. And so it's also
Speaker 1: a way to kind of say, this is my body
Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to display it if I want it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I thought that was an interesting point
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: It is, and I think that's you know, there's a
Speaker 2: I don't know, I see a big difference there, and
Speaker 2: I have to say, maybe it's just because I intrinsically
Speaker 2: am like, oh, I support that, and I don't support
Speaker 2: destroying art in museums. You know, that might just be
Speaker 2: my own it's easy for me to say those two
Speaker 2: things without trying too hard, but my feelings are one
Speaker 2: of those things. While inviting a lot of negative attention
Speaker 2: has more I think of potential to attract positive attention.
Speaker 2: Where there's a lot of people saying, oh, I hadn't
Speaker 2: heard about you until the news put you on, but
Speaker 2: hell yeah, I support you, and the thing you're doing
Speaker 2: is putting yourself on the line, yeah, versus the other
Speaker 2: one that's saying, I'm here to destroy something you love
Speaker 2: and they're not. Usually this paintings are covered in glass anyway,
Speaker 2: and that all wipes off and they're fine. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm here to literally just make everyone angry. There's a
Speaker 2: much smaller success potential in that to me, again, I'm
Speaker 2: not telling you the numbers. I don't know. Maybe they
Speaker 2: maybe they have got a lot of donations after their actions,
Speaker 2: but but you know, I mean, I'm just it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel as inviting, yeah again to me as an individual,
Speaker 2: so who knows the longer larger picture.
Speaker 1: But I feel that I think it's interesting to use
Speaker 1: porn in this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: They they're not wrong. Porn makes a lot of money.
Speaker 2: It sure does.
Speaker 1: And they're like, I want to I'm willing to make it. Yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: you watch me have zex and the outdoors my girlfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I give the money to whatever to preserve the
Speaker 1: rainforest in Brazil, and I feel good about myself and
Speaker 1: this is my job. I guess it's just not bad
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's I don't know, kind of speaks
Speaker 1: to some again colonial Virginia puritanism, right, which is weird
Speaker 1: to find in Norway, but to kind of say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to you're not allowed to collect money
Speaker 1: in that way, even for a good cause. Like it's
Speaker 1: just it's just some something against porn specifically, right, or
Speaker 1: like being willing to put out a sex tape or something.
Speaker 1: We're not even talking about like porn stars who are
Speaker 1: like fucking different people every day. This is a couple
Speaker 1: doing a sex tape that they put out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, even if you're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: porn stars are promiscuous, we're talking about two people that
Speaker 1: are in a relationship doing it. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really understand why it's a problem.
Speaker 1: The live sex stuff is, but the porn part of itself.
Speaker 2: I don't think about. They're like the base of what
Speaker 2: they're doing, Like if they're raising money again giving it
Speaker 2: to good causes and.
Speaker 1: You can donate anonymously most of the time. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just seems weird that they and I'm sure that
Speaker 1: this happened too in like Oh for the right after,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're in the headlines, is like having
Speaker 1: done this live sex thing and how gross and what's
Speaker 1: going on? These organizations were like, no, we can't be
Speaker 1: associated with you. And maybe that's still the case in Norway.
Speaker 1: I had never heard of fuck for Forest, have you? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of it. Oh here, So I don't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's still a really big thing in Norway and
Speaker 1: Berlin and stuff that like this organization is still out here.
Speaker 2: I like that they I like fuck for Forest. I
Speaker 2: wonder if how much work it tak it took to
Speaker 2: get to that, right, you know they're like, fuck to forest. No, no,
Speaker 2: not fuck the forest.
Speaker 1: We don't. That's what we're doing now.
Speaker 2: Fuck in the forest, fuck for the forest, for for
Speaker 2: for triple F.
Speaker 1: Well it's funny you say fuck the forest, because that
Speaker 1: was something that got when I was researching Fuck Ford Forrest. Ah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot about eco sexuality, oh boy, kind of
Speaker 1: tied up, which is really interesting. And it's kind of
Speaker 1: the idea that instead of an Earth mother, you have
Speaker 1: an Earth lover. Oh, and you treat the Earth as
Speaker 1: a sexy partner Earth. And it's it's kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's kind of laughable. I guess you could laugh at it,
Speaker 1: but there's there's something really interesting about it. And well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on it and tell you all about
Speaker 1: it in our next episode. Because it also involves two
Speaker 1: lesbian performance artists who are married and they did a
Speaker 1: bunch of like, uh experimental weddings to where they married
Speaker 1: the sun, the moon, the Appalachian Mountain, a bunch of
Speaker 1: like abstract concepts. Y'all know from the theme song that
Speaker 1: we love that trick, so I'm definitely gonna dive into
Speaker 1: the two of them. It's Elizabeth Stevens an Annie Sprinkle.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: To learn about eco sexuality because that's that's a lot
Speaker 1: about about using vegetables as sex toys or whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of that. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you talk about an earth lover instead of
Speaker 2: an Earth mother, and I immediately think of Guya from
Speaker 2: Captain Planet because she was she was a smoke.
Speaker 1: Show Guya from Captain Plant, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, voiced by I think uh, Margot Kidder and Whoopi Goldberg.
Speaker 2: Oh I remember guy.
Speaker 1: Oh hell.
Speaker 2: In fact, I love that. When you google her, the
Speaker 2: first picture that comes up is her splayed out on
Speaker 2: a bed in a purple dress with her arms up
Speaker 2: or over her head.
Speaker 1: She does look like she's ready. She ready for a
Speaker 1: Fuck for Forest video. Okay, amazing. So I just want
Speaker 1: to thank her in Shaffley for this the suggestion, because
Speaker 1: Fuck for Forrest is really really interesting. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of naughty and naughty problems.
Speaker 2: All up in naughty K n O T T Y,
Speaker 2: like Tree knots.
Speaker 1: Oh, true, Well that's what I meant at first, naughty problems.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, but also not think meant like tied up in knots. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about tree knots. So there's three different Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's three different meanings. That's true.
Speaker 1: I just meant they're spelled the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking about homonym's here.
Speaker 1: Sorry, apologies, Like.
Speaker 2: We came out so strong saying the same thing at
Speaker 2: the same time, and now we're saying the same thing.
Speaker 2: We're not getting it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I said naughty.
Speaker 2: No, they should hear. They should know that.
Speaker 1: But also, Kurinn, thank you for sharing it because I
Speaker 1: learned all about femin the Ukrainian Organization of topless protests
Speaker 1: also the annual Global Orgasm for Peace.
Speaker 2: What he told me about this sounds fake.
Speaker 1: It is not fake. It's just small. But apparently people,
Speaker 1: Oh I get it. It is small.
Speaker 2: It feels like we've been faking the Orgasm for Peace
Speaker 2: for a few decades now.
Speaker 1: Apparently it is supposed to your everyone in the world
Speaker 1: is supposed to have an orgasm on the same day
Speaker 1: thinking about peace, and it's the day of the winter.
Speaker 1: The last day of the winter solstice. So if you
Speaker 1: think about it, December twenty first or twenty second of
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Get busy Nonmber twenty August, late August. Now, yeah we could,
Speaker 2: we could get there by then. Yeah, if we start now,
Speaker 2: get where to orgasm? Oh?
Speaker 1: To orgasm?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, not to peace? That takes a lot longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll start now then. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: it was just interesting to like see that there were
Speaker 1: other other especially particularly environmental stuff, where they're like, we
Speaker 1: want to make environmental active is some kind of sexy.
Speaker 1: Now people think it's so boring, we're still like lame.
Speaker 1: So we want to make it fun and sexy, which
Speaker 1: is very interesting. And that's where yeah, we found about
Speaker 1: started looking into eco sexuals and very very fascinating, quite
Speaker 1: a spectrum of sexual experiences. Right, so we will get
Speaker 1: to that next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope y'all enjoyed these crazy, wild, very disparate stories.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite? What was my Did you have
Speaker 1: a favorite?
Speaker 2: I don't know if if I could have a favorite,
Speaker 2: They're all my favorite. This is wild, I guess the
Speaker 2: most their husbands.
Speaker 1: I would say them fun. The most fun one is
Speaker 1: probably the siege for fine Siege of Vine A good time,
Speaker 1: A good time, but fat that's is pretty funny, very interesting. Anyway.
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