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Speaker 2: What is that? Come on? You know it?

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Speaker 1: Body YadA YadA YadA, yady yady yady. It's Meghanese Stallions.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. I got it.

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Speaker 1: That's contemporary.

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Speaker 2: You got it right. Good job.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I knew. I was no idea, my Megan.

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Speaker 1: I could have said anything, just then, Well, I could

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Speaker 1: have said Depeche Mode.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I would listen to Depeche Modes cover of Body

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Speaker 1: by Meganese Stallion.

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Speaker 2: My body, the audist Body.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what Meganistall is saying.

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Speaker 2: But okay, well, no, that's Depeche Modes cover.

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Speaker 1: That's their version. Yeah, there's something kind of cool about

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Speaker 1: listening to covers of songs from completely different genres where

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's tons of them, and it's it's always

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Speaker 1: There was kind of a joke about all the tweet

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Speaker 2: picking on, that's cool, Maggoty's tying. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: they ever did make an these sing but it was

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Speaker 2: all bluegrass covers of pop music at the time, early

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Speaker 1: Right, and like a different, different vibe.

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Speaker 2: Like what if Old Chrome Medicine Show did Cold Play?

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Speaker 2: play them. If I didn't Getting Geting Getting Game alone,

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Speaker 2: Who's conscious uncoupling? We have not yet covered on this show,

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Speaker 2: Well, the news batting around the term conscious uncoupling is

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Speaker 2: I promise you all, it's a better A better life

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he went on to some other posts and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: She just tried to put out a little stupid video

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Speaker 1: Where are we going with this?

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Speaker 2: But but today we do have a ridiculous promise to

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Speaker 1: That's right, because yeah, I was just recently going through

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Speaker 4: Hey, their friends come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got

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Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna start with the siege of Weinsburg.

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Speaker 2: Weinsberg, Weinsburg. Oh, ladies, Am I right? We've all sieged?

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Speaker 2: Winesburg went through twice after a long day.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Winesburg has seized me. That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: This is before Germany was Germany, guys, Because in eleven

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Speaker 1: History would be more interesting if there are more weird

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Speaker 2: I am all right. Well, okay, so Henry the Proud

438
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: is feeling a little burnt by.

439
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: All this, and as I would as well.

440
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: His loyal subjects in Saxony and Bavaria were none too

441
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: happy about it either. So with their support behind him,

442
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: Henry the Proud rose up against Conrad and said time

443
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: for a war.

444
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

445
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: Well, Henry actually died in eleven thirty nine, so he

446
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: didn't get too far into this war. But his son,

447
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: Henry the Lion, Uh not actually a lion, just disclaimer,

448
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 2: it's just lion. Like. He was like, I'm picking up

449
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: the mantle. My dad started this war, I'm going to

450
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: continue it. And he continued the conflict himself. He's still

451
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: supported by all the Saxons. So King Conrad is getting

452
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: sick of this shit, and he decided that he was

453
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: going to besiege the city of Weinsberg, where Henry lived,

454
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: and he was going to destroy it and imprison everyone

455
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: who defended it. A against him, He'll just punish anybody who.

456
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: Sports this guy scor policy.

457
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: Now, Weinsberg was not able to last against Conrad's army,

458
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: so they negotiated a surrender in eleven forty. Now, under

459
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: the terms they agreed upon, Conrad said, okay, well we're

460
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: taking the city. We're imprisoning all the men. But the

461
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: women are allowed to leave and take what hover they

462
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 2: can carry with them. That's the rules I'm setting You

463
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: pick it up, you you can carry it, you can

464
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: take it. Go get out of here, ladies.

465
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: You sounds so much like Frau Blucher right now. I

466
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: just keep excited to be like, ohverty over.

467
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 2: It feels very doctor scratch and sniff to me at

468
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: any rate, parody German accent, terrible. My apologies to all

469
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 2: the great people of Germany.

470
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: All right, well, According to the Latin chronicle Chronicle Reggia Coloni,

471
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: which was compared in the eleven seventies, the women heard

472
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: this decree, they kind of thought about it for a minute.

473
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: They look around all their homes and worldly possessions, probably

474
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: exchanged a couple of glances, and looked back at the

475
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: hohen staff an army, like you said, anything we could carry?

476
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's what we said, Oh great.

477
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: And then they hoisted their husbands onto their shoulders and

478
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: carried them out of the town. Oops, you got got

479
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think that's amazing. Anything I can carry, well,

480
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna carry my man. She put him across their shoulders.

481
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: Like a furtle, and so I can't took him the

482
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: fuck away from fines.

483
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: Hey, the women of Finsberg, they can lift.

484
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: They must be sturdy, yeah, or.

485
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 2: The men of Weinsberg a light anyway.

486
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: One of Conrad's dukes protested this, but as the chronic

487
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: estates quote, the king, showing favor to the women's cunning,

488
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: said that it would not be fitting to change his

489
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: royal words incredible, So he let him get away with this.

490
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh, ladies, that's pretty clever.

491
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: I've learned about a loophole.

492
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: Next time you got me. What can I say? I'm

493
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: not too big to admit it now.

494
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: Listen though. This is kind of interesting to me though,

495
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like Conrad was likely like, well, now

496
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: you're my subjects. Why do I not want awesome, badass

497
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: intelligence subjects? All right, ladies, get up in here, become

498
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: part of the whole and stuff and family or whatever.

499
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus, I'm sure that they you know, I don't know,

500
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: he just besieged their city. But the fact that he

501
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: was like, okay, all right, I'm gonna let you have

502
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: this one, you know, it probably made it a little

503
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: less hard to subjugate them. It's true, they're probably like that.

504
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: He was nice enough to, Oh, you.

505
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Know, he was gonna let me keep my tea towels whatever.

506
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: I don't know what they have.

507
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: There was least wife of Winesburg who looked at her

508
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: husband and her tea towels. Wow, it's a really nice teatowel.

509
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: All right, She's like, I just stuffed this very nice

510
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: down mattress, and I don't think I should babe it.

511
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: So there were two to pick from.

512
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: We each got one. Incredible. You can't script that book.

513
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: This the kind of gold we get every day when

514
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: the mites are of Oh all right, well, this incredible

515
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: story became known as the Loyal Wives of Winesburg and

516
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 2: the Castle Ruins are today known as the weiber Troy,

517
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: which means wifely loyalty. Cute, but most people likely recognize

518
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 2: this story because it was a plotline in the hit

519
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: film Ever After starring Drew Barrymore, where her character saves

520
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: her prints in the exact same way.

521
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, she like lifts them off a horse.

522
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: Also, a peace agreement apparently between the Velfs and the

523
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: Hopenstaufins was finally reached in eleven forty two, Just in

524
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: case you're about the political curious about the political ending

525
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: of this story.

526
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: We all, it doesn't really matter because neither of them

527
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: around but anymore, but didn't last. But surely the hohen

528
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: Staffins were like, all right, well, so you guys some

529
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: pretty dead people, So let us let us sit down.

530
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: That a great story.

531
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: I love it. I obsessed.

532
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's turn our heads from Germany to Sweden.

533
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: Some more high quality accents coming on here, We're gonna

534
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: look at the Fallon Copper Mind or Falloon Copper Mind.

535
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: This place operated for a full millennium from the tenth

536
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: century until nineteen ninety two, which is crazy that it

537
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: lasted till just seven years ago. That's wild, just just

538
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: seven years ago ninety two? Wow? Wow, is crazy how

539
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: time goes by. Well, this place supplied more than two

540
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: thirds of the world's copper, right, so you can imagine

541
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: this is like a you know, a pretty giant operation,

542
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: going pretty deep into the mountain to get a long Yeah.

543
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: And on December two of seventeen nineteen, workers opened up

544
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: a long unused tunnel in the mine and they found

545
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: the body of a dead man inside. Both of his

546
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 2: legs were amputated and missing. But his clothes, skin, and

547
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: hair were all intact. He looked like he just died

548
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: pretty recently. But no one had been reported missing, not

549
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: in the mine or anywhere else nearby. So they pulled

550
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: the body out of the mine, you know, try and

551
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on in here. And then things

552
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: got even weirder because once the body was out in

553
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 2: the open air, it started to harden, almost like it

554
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: was turning to stop, and they started calling it the

555
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: petrified miner. I was a petrified miner when I was

556
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: a Jurassic Park I was ten years old, went to

557
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: the theaters and escaped me.

558
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I was once a petrified miner. Listen, if I

559
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: had to go into a mine, I would also be

560
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: a petrified miner.

561
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: True, at an age, any age.

562
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: At any time. I don't want to go into a mine.

563
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: No.

564
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: Now, maybe maybe you know the felon copper workers or

565
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: whoever wanted to figure out who this guy was, or

566
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: maybe somebody just had an eye for a dollar.

567
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: No.

568
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: For some reason, it was decided to put the petrified

569
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: miner's body on display, and one day a local named

570
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Margaret Old's daughter went to see it, and, imagine her surprise,

571
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: she gazed on the hardened, intact face of this miner

572
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: and realized she knew exactly who it was. It was

573
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: her fiance, Matt's Israel's watch. By the way, fat matts

574
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: means fat Matt oh. Okay, so his name was just

575
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Matt oh. And I guess he was a little there.

576
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: There were three mats. I hate fat mat He's like, yeah,

577
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: proud of it, right. But this was even weirder because

578
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: fat fat Matt had not disappeared recently at all. Margaret

579
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: informed the authorities that he had actually disappeared in March

580
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: sixteen seventy seven, forty two years before he was found

581
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: looking perfectly preserved in this tunnel. What so, what is

582
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: going on here?

583
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Creepy?

584
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to tell you right after we hear

585
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: these fine words welcome back.

586
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So real spooky stuff here. A body was found

587
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: in a mine, looking pretty fresh, looking ripe. It comes

588
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: outside and it turns to stone, and the only person

589
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: to claim she knew who it was says it was

590
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: her fiance who disappeared forty two years earlier. Well, what

591
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: the miners had found was actually a natural mummy, and that's,

592
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: of course when a body is unintentionally preserved by environmental

593
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: factors like extreme cold temperatures or low oxygen environments like bogs.

594
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: If anyone remembers our recripulous romance episode about the bog

595
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: body murder, fet Mattz is a lot like the Natural

596
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: Mummy from that episode that tricked poor Peter into confessing

597
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: that he'd killed his wife. That's right, that's a great episode. Oh,

598
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: it's so good. So Fet Matts actually had died decades before,

599
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: and he was just naturally preserved by the mine. So

600
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: they did what any logical, forward thinking town would do,

601
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: and they put his body on display and charged tickets

602
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: to come see him for another thirty years. One Swedish naturalist,

603
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: Carl Linnaeus went to see him and suggested, Oh, this guy,

604
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: he's not petrified. He's actually covered in vitriol, which is

605
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: so known as copper sulfate.

606
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: Nandor is cute you doing in here?

607
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: You will all forget that I ever did this accent.

608
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: I wish I could.

609
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: I wish it was the people of Sweden also, So anyway,

610
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: he's saying, this wasn't petrified, but it was covered in

611
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: this copper sulfate. And once the copper sulfate was cleaned

612
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: off the body, he said it would start to decay naturally.

613
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: They did, and it did, which if I hope they

614
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: opened a window.

615
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Seriously, the man disgusting, but for a guy who never

616
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: got married, that match inspired a lot of lovers. So

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: after Margaret identified him, a second woman allegedly came forward,

618
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: also claiming to be his fiance, which could have been

619
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: a fun triangle for us to dive into, but most

620
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: people thought that she was just doing it to collect

621
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: miners widow's benefits.

622
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow, she was just lying.

623
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: And also, while fet Mats was on display for thirty years,

624
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: he became a really big inspiration for German romanticists. They

625
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: wrote like short stories and ballads about him. Wagner even

626
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: wrote a libretto about him in eighteen forty two. So then,

627
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: finally fet Mats was buried in seventeen forty nine and

628
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: rested in peace until the eighteen sixties when the church

629
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: was doing some renovations. They unearthed beet Mats once more,

630
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody had an eye for a dollar because

631
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: they decided to put him back on display.

632
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: What he can't have looked very good at that.

633
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Like I don't know. But anyway, in the nineteen

634
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: thirties he was finally finally laid to rest in the

635
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: church's graveyard. Okay, so for somebody who died unknown, unbeknownst

636
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: to anyone. In sixteen seventy seven, he kind of got around.

637
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: Do we know why his limbs were all missing?

638
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: Like speculation station? Okay, this is gory, Okay, but I'm

639
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: imagining gets shut up in a tunnel, he doesn't die

640
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: right away. Did he eat his own legs, ate.

641
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: His own limbs.

642
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: Or I don't know how, maybe gets stuck under a

643
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: rock fall or something. It's like a twenty seven hour situation.

644
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: I was wondering if his limbs decayed before they were

645
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: before his body.

646
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: Was preserved, but why how would it have done that?

647
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't lose all the temperature in

648
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: your arms and legs first, like I know geologists.

649
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 1: You lose all the temperature.

650
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean your arm's cool off first because

651
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: they're not at the center of your body. That's science.

652
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: Probably that's something like I don't know, I don't know,

653
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: but I was definitely like the implications are dark. Yeah,

654
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: maybe guy eat by rats or something.

655
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: Rats.

656
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: We're talking to mine. It could be anything in.

657
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff in mind, but a water filled.

658
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: Tunnel, so oh there was some water in there. I

659
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: don't know. It's very interesting scientifically.

660
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 2: Though, what can happen in forty two years?

661
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Very true?

662
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: Well gross?

663
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: And I also wonder about Margaret old Statta because it's

664
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: like forty two years went by since her fiance disappeared.

665
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Huh did she ever get married? Because she clearly didn't care.

666
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: She's like, oh, yeah, this's my fiance. But I mean,

667
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: y'all keep looking at him. I don't care about that.

668
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, so I'm like a shitty boyfriend.

669
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Speculationation he was a shitty boyfriend. She chopped off all

670
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: his limbs and threw him in the mine. Oh shit,

671
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: but she was smarter than Peter. When they found him.

672
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: She didn't confess, that's right. She was like, I don't know,

673
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: you got god, he disappears long ago.

674
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: How weird. That's that kind of thing about history that

675
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: makes me happy. Is it just evidence of little nicknames?

676
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know things like that. We're just like,

677
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: this is just a guy who would go hang out

678
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: after work, you know, and everyone's like, he is that mad, he's.

679
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: A club you know, what a fun what a not

680
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: fun story? I don't know. I almost said what a

681
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: fun story? That little last bit was fun, That last.

682
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Bit was fun.

683
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: Pretty horrific, Poor Fett, I would say the opposite of fun,

684
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: poor f Matt. Yeah, weird. All right, Well, let's move

685
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: a little forward in history backwards. Let's move somewhere in history.

686
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: Backwards, little backwards.

687
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Sorry, I guess that's yeah, that's fine. We love going

688
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: back in time. Yeah, go, I'm back and we're going

689
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: to the sixteen hundreds.

690
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: That's right.

691
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: England Thomasine Hall. She was born in Newcastle upon Tyne

692
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: right around the year sixteen hundred. This person was raised

693
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: as a woman. She was wearing women's clothes, doing women's

694
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: work like making lace. No exclusively for women, only a

695
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: lady's job. But in sixteen twenty four Thomasine had enough

696
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: of that. She chopped off her hair. She changed her

697
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: name to Thomas, and they followed their brother into the

698
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: army when England declared more on Spain. But then this

699
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: Thomas left the army, came home, grew the hair back

700
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: out and said, nope on Thomasine again.

701
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Time to make some lace.

702
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: Time to get back to making lace. I did was

703
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: a soldier for a while. Going back to lace making,

704
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: one of these things is more comfortable than the other.

705
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: Making lace is hard work, all right.

706
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, in sixteen twenty seven they decided to travel

707
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: to colonial Virginia, and then again they became Thomas Hall,

708
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: dressing in men's clothes. And that's because traveling as a

709
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: single woman wasn't super comfortable or safe, and also because

710
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: Thomasine intended to be an indenture, that is, someone who

711
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: worked for free in the New World in exchange for

712
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: their passage over. That contracts very eat. I know a

713
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: lot of people were taking advantage of in this system,

714
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: but usually there was a seven year indenture, and of

715
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: course male indentures were worth more than females. Uh so

716
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: they could pay off their debt more quickly because you

717
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: had to make a lot of lace.

718
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: Ship ticket, clean, a lot of scruble, lot of chamber pots.

719
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

720
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: So when Thomas got to Virginia, they dressed like a man,

721
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: they acted like a man. They did hard labor in

722
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: the fields cultivating tobacco plant But then Thomasine started alternating

723
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: their appearance. They would dress as a man one day

724
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: and as a woman the next. And that just caused

725
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: a lot of drama in this small colonial village.

726
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: Right. I was gonna ask, is this like Missus Doubtfire,

727
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: where she's pretending that there's two different people, or she's

728
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: just like today, I'm Thomas, today I'm Thomasine.

729
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: I think it was more like that. It was just like,

730
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, today, I'm wearing the apron, get used to

731
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: doing some sweeping.

732
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: Tomorrow I'm making your lace, I'm scrubbing your pots, whatever,

733
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: and I'm picking the tabat checked it up.

734
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I contain multitude.

735
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: If anyone's ever said this.

736
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: Multitude, sue are contradict myself.

737
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, this this is just Couslona tra I mean,

738
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: we're talking about Puritans here. So anything anyone doing anything

739
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary at any time was like, oh shit,

740
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: something's going down. We got to all get together and

741
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: talk about this whatever. And then, to make matters worse,

742
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: rumors started flying that Thomasine had slept with a maid.

743
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: Now this could be a really big problem. If Thomasine

744
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: was a man, was Thomas, they were guilty of fornication

745
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: and they needed to be punished absolutely, because this is

746
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: a very punished based religion s. But if Thomasine was

747
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: a woman, then funnily enough, no crime had been committed

748
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: at all. Ladies sleeping with ladies, puritans, no problem. They

749
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: were like, no sex is happening. They just were laying

750
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: together in a bed, sometimes on top of each other,

751
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: sometimes not.

752
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: If you can't have sex, if the thing's not going

753
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: inside the thing, what else could that be? Ow?

754
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: Oh, they were roommates, they're just very good friends. So

755
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: they really need to find out if Thomas was thomas

756
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: or if Thomasin was Thomasine. They had to know for sure.

757
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: So three very respected women examined Thomasin and they came

758
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: out and they said, that's a man, no question about it.

759
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: That is one percent of dude.

760
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.

761
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: But then Thomasin's employer, John Tyne, who owned the indentures,

762
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: said no, no, no, Thomasine's a woman. Thomasin works for me.

763
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: They do woman stuff. I know what I'm talking about.

764
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: Oh.

765
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: Then things got even more complicated because another farmer named

766
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: John Atkins said, I want to buy Thomasine's indenture and

767
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: have them work for me, but I'm not going to

768
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: buy it unless I know which gender they are. Because

769
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: as we already said males are worth more than females,

770
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: so that would change Atkins' price. Yeah, and he's like,

771
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: I need to know how much you know this person

772
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: is worth, which is a crazy thing to say.

773
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: If I could get a woman's price for that laborer,

774
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: for that farm laborer, that I'm it's a good deal, right,

775
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: women in it?

776
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Now that's true. Maybe that was more it's like, hey,

777
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: I a woman, but you can work as a man. Yeah,

778
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: that's John Atkins should have been thinking. He wasn't thinking.

779
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: He should have been like, yeah, Thomasine, total girl, here's

780
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: four dollars. Now I get to do seven dollars worth

781
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: of work with you.

782
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: Right. So now a third farmer comes in to interview Thomasine,

783
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: and Thomasine confessed that they were born with both male

784
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: and female genitalia, but quote had not the use of

785
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: their male part.

786
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: That's right, they were they were an intersex person right now.

787
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 2: The farmers all agreed that Thomasine was a woman, but

788
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: the three women who had initially examined her were not

789
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: happy with that verdict, so they decided that they were

790
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: gonna examine Thomasine again, but this time, no heads up,

791
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: no no fair warning, or prep time they went in

792
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: there to look while Thomasine was asleep, no consent, no warning,

793
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: just I'm gonna lift the sheets up here and take

794
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: a look for myself. Now. Another time, Thomasine was just

795
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: walking down the road and two men decided to examine

796
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: them right there in public. Again, no permission.

797
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Now this is crazy to me. They're just walking down

798
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: the street and somebody decides to like, I don't know,

799
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: throw up their skirt, like throw them on their back

800
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: on the streets and just expose their genitals to everybody.

801
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Now I know too that like I believe, at least

802
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: in this you know, bodily autonomy was not a thing

803
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: like people. You know, it was like your body doesn't

804
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: really belong to you, especially if you're a woman. So

805
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go look at whatever I

806
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: can touch and i can look. But this seems insane

807
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: for such a conservative society again to just be like

808
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: flash the whole village right now, try to figure out

809
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: whether you're a man or a woman.

810
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: But you know that's what they're trying to do in

811
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: places like Florida and stuff that It's just like I'm

812
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: going to I'm first I brought up the shame for it,

813
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: and now I'm going to use that against you because

814
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: I don't have shame, right, I'm just trying to shame you, right,

815
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: And I mean you have.

816
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 1: To assume if there was no question about what gender

817
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: this person was, there's no fucking way that anyone would

818
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: let them examine them in the street. Do you know

819
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: they would have gotten in trouble for that. But because

820
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: they were unusual in some way or another, their body

821
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to them even more, you know what I mean.

822
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: So I'm allowed to look at it, touch it, humiliate you,

823
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: display it however I want, because it's different than I

824
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: think it should be.

825
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: But does it not also feel like at a certain

826
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 2: point that is the long term goal is like I

827
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: want to just be able to do that to anyone. Yeah,

828
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: I want to be able to you know, it's sort

829
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: of a stop and frisk, like, you know, I'm not

830
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: really sure what gender you are, so I should be

831
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: allowed to look.

832
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: And people out there are not smart. So I saw

833
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: somebody staying that women don't have anybody here at all,

834
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: including arm hair, So if you have arm hair, you

835
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: must be a man. People are sorry, but that is

836
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, so anyway, it's just upsetting. But this

837
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: is you know, American history, y'all goes way back.

838
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So these guys that stopped Thomasine on the street

839
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: examined and said that thomasin was quote a perfect man.

840
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, that's so nice, me a perfect man. Suddenly,

841
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: mishumiliation is good of nice.

842
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: Well, it was decided there that Thomas should wear men's clothes,

843
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 2: do men's stuff, go by Thomas, all that, But Thomas

844
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: was not going to get away with pretending to be

845
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: a woman. Now that we've decided you're a perfect man,

846
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: you need to be punished. So in sixteen twenty nine,

847
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: they dragged Thomas thomasin to court, right, and this.

848
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: Is why know this story. Yes, of course there's court

849
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: proceedings recording recordings of this.

850
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: They wanted history to know what they were doing. Yeah,

851
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: they thought this is a good idea.

852
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: We need to really make some precedents for some reason

853
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: on this. And weirdly, the governor who was deciding everything,

854
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, the judge sure I guess injury of the time,

855
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: decided that you know, ruled officially that Thomasine was both

856
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: male and female, rather than picking one and saying stick

857
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 1: to it. It was like said, you're both.

858
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we can say the BINARYA is rigid.

859
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: Perhaps gender is fluid and the society will construct.

860
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: If only, if only, because that was not the case

861
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: at all. That does sound kind of progressive from today's standards,

862
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: I guess, But unfortunately, the sentence that Thomasine was given

863
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: was that they had to wear both men's and women's clothings,

864
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: So they had to wear the shirt and breeches of

865
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: a man and the apron and cap of a woman

866
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: at all times, Like at all times, that was your

867
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: outfit now, And PBS points out that actually this was

868
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: kind of the cruelest punishment that the judge could could

869
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: have come up with, because it meant that no matter

870
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: where Thomasin went in the world, everyone knew they were different.

871
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: They couldn't hide anymore. And this was this was a

872
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: society that truly prized conformity. You know, you're not supposed

873
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: to be out of step with anybody. So this was

874
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: a real, real.

875
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: Punishment, probably kids giggling in the street, not.

876
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: A moment's piece, you know. Ever again, you know, and unfortunately,

877
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: Thomasin disappears from the written record after sixteen twenty nine

878
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: after this case was decided. There's nothing else written, so

879
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: no idea if they stayed in the village, if they

880
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: what happened to them, But you know, no marriage likely

881
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: was allowed for them, so they couldn't build a family.

882
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it just was probably the most

883
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: fucked up thing you could have done a scene. And then,

884
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: of course, you know, many many, many years later, Catherine

885
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: Hepburn would go to jail for wearing pants as well.

886
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Wild wow, But that is just an.

887
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: Interesting kind of look at colonial politics and being intersex

888
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: in history. I just think that's crazy, fascinating that like

889
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: examination in the streets, Yeah all that. Yeah, I'm furious.

890
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

891
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: I wish I could time travel back to sixteen twenty

892
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: nine punch him in the face. Yeah, just a nice

893
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: punch in the face. I could. I wouldn't change it

894
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: because I don't know how you could change it, but

895
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I would punch him in the face.

896
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: I want to go back in time and show them, like,

897
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, one of those JQ spreads of Harry Styles. Yes,

898
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: I like, look at that future, you losers.

899
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: Honestly, in sixteen hundred, they'd probably be like, look, we

900
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: left all that court stuff behind for the aristocrats because

901
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: they were all wearing lace and yeah, and dresses and

902
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: high heels and buckles, and I mean men were very beautiful.

903
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: They were very powdered and painted in sixteen seventeen.

904
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the women were dirty in their hands making

905
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: all that lace.

906
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: That's right.

907
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

908
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: More men, probably more more lace than women because they

909
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: had little those ruffles.

910
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they had more money, I will.

911
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: So they probably look at Harry Styles and be like, yeah,

912
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: seen it. Whatever, I've seen better embroidery on you know,

913
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: Lord Chiswick, but I don't know who that is.

914
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're gonna go find a whole Lord

915
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: Chiswick was We're going to take a quick break. We

916
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: do have one more story for y'all, and we're going

917
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: to tell you about how you can have sex to

918
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: save the world. We're back with that right after this.

919
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Welcome back. Let me try that again.

920
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: Like a parrot about.

921
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody.

922
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: All right. This one was sent to us by Corn Shaffley,

923
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: who suggested that we look into fuck for Forest, who

924
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: they said, quote, I had quite an entertaining encounter with them,

925
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: but I know it's controversial for good reasons, not exactly

926
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: romantic in the strict sense of the word, though smiling.

927
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: Oh right, good will, We are going to go into this,

928
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: but Karin, you're gonna have to tell us what your

929
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: entertaining encounter was, because I still I'm.

930
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: Very I want to know, all right. Fuck for Forrest

931
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 2: is an environmental activism organization founded in two thousand and

932
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: four by an early twenties Norwegian couple named Tommy Howel

933
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: Ellingsen and Leanna Johansen. Now they wanted to do some

934
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: good in the world. A lot of early twenties s

935
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: folks looking out there for you know, their way to

936
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: make a change. Yeah. Sure, And as Tommy says, quote,

937
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: we had nothing, just our bodies. You don't even want

938
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: to know what they keeping their tuperware? Sorry, good and

939
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 2: ill did. So these two realize that, hey, you know

940
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: what makes a lot of money out there, porn, that's right,

941
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: So they said, quote, why not use that money for good?

942
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: So they told the Norwegian government that they were starting

943
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: an alternative environmental activism group. They got some seed money

944
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: and they started up a website where you can pay

945
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: twenty bucks a month for a subscription to access a

946
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: bunch of their sex tapes and photos. Now SFGate dot

947
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: Com looked at their stuff, so we didn't have to.

948
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you.

949
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: And they say that it's mostly the quote gentle burning

950
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 2: men esque Tommy and Leona and their friends having sex

951
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: in various combinations, often in the outdoors, of course, but

952
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: also in sex clubs, apartments, and studios, and that the

953
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 2: content quote runs the gamut from couplings involving vegetables used

954
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: as sex toys to performances by scary looking, shaven headed

955
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: German goths and is unflinchingly graphic. All right, wow, okay.

956
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: All I can think it was Mac from Always Sunny

957
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: being like, now that's disgusting.

958
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 3: Where because you know how, what was that website again?

959
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 2: Horrific? I can't believe the stuff's out there. Tell me

960
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 2: the website so I can be sure to block it.

961
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to make sure if I have a filter setup.

962
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: I don't accidentally log in, create an account and pay

963
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: twenty dollars a month. He said, twenty right, is that

964
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: American dollars?

965
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: That American organ Well, things got controversial fast, as you

966
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: can imagine. When Tommy and Leona went to a music

967
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: festival in two thousand and four to promote their organization.

968
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: They got on stage with a band called the Coum Shots.

969
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: I guess that makes sense. All right, we're on theme here.

970
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: For when or when gar wasn't available.

971
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: I guess when is too tame, you call the gumshots.

972
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: And they gave a speech about the human impact on forests,

973
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: and then they asked the crowd. It was about five

974
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: thousand people there, and they asked them how far would

975
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: you go to save the world? And you know, everybody's

976
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: surely cheering. I'm like, I like the world. I like

977
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: the world. Meanwhile, they're taking their clothes off. Oh there's

978
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: there's strip speeching, okay, and then they started doing it

979
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: on stage while a banner was raised that explained that

980
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: they were having sex to save the rainforest, which I guess, yeah,

981
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: if you need a reason, I guess public exposure.

982
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: I'm like imagining a guy jerking off on the Marta

983
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 2: train being like, no, it's to save the rainforest.

984
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it's not really something you can.

985
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: Just say to excuse the public in decency.

986
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: It's not really And yeah, I mean maybe the crowd

987
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: for a band called the Coum Shots didn't really have

988
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: many objections to this I don't know for sure, but

989
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: of course Tommy and Leona got fined ten thousand kroner

990
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: or about one thousand, four hundred and seventy dollars apiece.

991
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: Wow for a public sex act. Sure, because as you say,

992
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: is public in DC. You can't have sex in front

993
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: of a lot of people without asking them all first

994
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: and making sure everybody's down and there's no kids, et cetera.

995
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: Who wants to get up here and give me a

996
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: hand job to save the whales?

997
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: I know the whales will really appreciate it. And Tommy

998
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: thought that it wasn't very fair that they got fined

999
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: because Norway was fighting in a rock and they show

1000
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: violence on TV every day, and if we had only

1001
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: said it was performance art, they would have gotten away

1002
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: with it. A lot of different excuses coming from Tommy. Okay,

1003
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: another thing, then another, and I was like, none of

1004
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: these things are related to your public sex act, sir,

1005
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: About okay.

1006
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: We're having sex on stage to fund the military industrial complex.

1007
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: He would have been fine with that.

1008
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I get his point that, like it's annoying

1009
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: up in arms about sex when you are fine with

1010
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: like people's boy murders and bloody stuff, but like still

1011
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: a bit of a straw man. So you know, obviously

1012
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: we can tell they don't really respect this court decision

1013
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: at all. So they showed up in court dressed in

1014
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: children's clothes. Tommy dropped his pants at one point and

1015
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: showed his penis. Okay, I'm sure the children's close thing

1016
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we're not grown adult, you know what

1017
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they were trying to act like it

1018
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: was being patronizing or something, regulate sex or something. I

1019
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: imagine that was the message.

1020
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: Behind right right, you're just treating us like kids, right,

1021
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: can't handle?

1022
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, and then Tommy you know, dropped his pants,

1023
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: showed us penis. Very creative.

1024
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: He's spreading around out.

1025
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: And they're like, not really and it's Norway and they're

1026
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: probably just like, I don't know, I have seen better.

1027
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: For a court case somewhat entertaining. I guess maybe that.

1028
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: Might be the most interesting court cases.

1029
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: Only the third time a deck has come out in

1030
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: the courtroom this year.

1031
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: Tommy also told the paper Nede Weissen quote, we would

1032
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: have liked to have fucked here in court as well.

1033
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: It's a nice space, but we would probably be thrown

1034
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: in jail.

1035
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: Ah.

1036
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: So anyway, they left Norway after this, and Fuck for

1037
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Forrest made their new headquarters in Berlin.

1038
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: I love that. That's where his senses kicked in. Yeah,

1039
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, well, all right, sex, the courtroom is a

1040
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: little too far.

1041
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: That's too much. They'll probably throw us in jail for

1042
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: fucking in front of all of them for no reason.

1043
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: It's not like a Cumpshots concert.

1044
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: Let's be reasonable, which.

1045
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: I mean, Look, the Cumpshots pull five thousand people. That's

1046
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: a pretty good crowd.

1047
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, this is a whole music festival. But that's not

1048
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: that's not bad though. It still five thousand that's a lot.

1049
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more than we had for any of our

1050
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: live particulous promurements. Ye, both of them, both of them.

1051
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 2: All right. Well. Tommy also says that within three months

1052
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 2: of their arrest, they attracted one thousand new subscribers to

1053
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: their site. In fact, Fuck for Forrest collected one hundred

1054
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: thousand dollars within their first year from subscriptions, So you

1055
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: know what, take that. Yeah, fuck the haters.

1056
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.

1057
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: We're saving the environment here.

1058
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,439
Speaker 1: I wish my nonprofit would raise one hundred thousand dollars

1059
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: in the first year.

1060
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 2: Well, you know what you have to do. I will

1061
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: not participate.

1062
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to be able to do

1063
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: that either.

1064
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 2: Well, there was only one problem with raising all this money.

1065
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 2: None of the environmental nonprofits that they reached out to

1066
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: would accept this Cross Sex money.

1067
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: That's right after this controversy at the Cumshots concert.

1068
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: They said, we're gonna need you to figuratively and literally

1069
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: launder that much. Yes, more, we'll take it.

1070
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean a good point. We don't know where that's been.

1071
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: So they decided that they were going to work out

1072
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: a way to give the money directly to indigenous people

1073
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 2: in Costa Rica and Brazil to purchase and preserve the rainforest.

1074
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: This again sounds pretty cool in theory. We often think like, man,

1075
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: if I had all this money, I would just go

1076
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 2: on to go hand it to people who needed it.

1077
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: It's true because you think about Red Cross or you

1078
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: know some of the really big ones, and they spend

1079
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: a lot of their money on administration, right or fundraising

1080
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: or like stuff, not the thing itself.

1081
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 2: Right.

1082
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, that can be really frustrating about charity.

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00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to show up with the cash

1084
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: and give it to who needs it, but a documentary

1085
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: called Fuck for Forest, whose tagline is have sex, Save

1086
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: the World, that came out in two thousand and six

1087
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: and followed them to Peru to give all this money away.

1088
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: According to critical reviews, Tommy and Leona and their friends

1089
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: aren't really welcomed there with open arms. The locals, of course,

1090
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: didn't trust them. No, you just got these very white

1091
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's as white as you can get it.

1092
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: They're dreadhead hippie looking, you know, basically not teenagers, but

1093
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: very young, very young people.

1094
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: And you know, the locals kind of make a point

1095
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: of telling them that they just showing up with cash

1096
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: is not really very useful. Their poverty that they're experiencing

1097
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: is lifelong and generational and has a lot to do,

1098
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure, with people coming in and taking their resources

1099
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So you might buy me some meals,

1100
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: you might patch a hole in my roof, whatever, But

1101
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: what they really needed, they said, are jobs and sustainable

1102
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: sources of income. Right.

1103
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I think the Fuck for

1104
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: Forest people are like, you would buy you know, an

1105
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: acre of this rainforest and that would be yours now,

1106
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't log it, and they couldn't fuck around.

1107
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: But I imagine the indigenous people are like, you're talking

1108
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: about a David and Goliath situation where sure we can

1109
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: buy hectares worth of the fucking rainforest, but if they

1110
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: want to come through and log it or fuck, they

1111
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: can do that. Like we don't have power against these

1112
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: companies that you think. It's not just about ownership necessarily,

1113
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: even though I'm sure that is a big piece of

1114
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: the puzzle, yea, not everything. So it was they were

1115
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to, i mean, kind of shake

1116
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: them into reality. I think a little bit.

1117
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: I remember in the nineties are like elementary school class

1118
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: buying an acre of the rainforest or something.

1119
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like, I wonder.

1120
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: If that's still there. Did that work? I wonder that

1121
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 2: you And also can I go there? And I'll be like, Hi,

1122
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: it's me from Miss Models first grade class nineteen ninety four.

1123
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: They have like a brick with your name on it.

1124
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: I expect nothing less.

1125
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: This is your tree. I thank you for your granola

1126
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: bar money whatever.

1127
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: I only well, okay, well, we'll say that documentary does

1128
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: have some marks against it because critics didn't feel like

1129
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: it really followed through on that revelation about the indigenous

1130
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: reaction or if that reality check really did anything for

1131
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: Tommy and Leona or the other Fuck for Forest members.

1132
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: So like, you know, we could have used more information,

1133
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: I think, is what they're saying.

1134
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, that might have been a better

1135
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 1: story overall. It is to be like, so, if y'all

1136
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: are really going to do this, you need to be intentional, Like,

1137
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing about how they're not. They

1138
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: don't have a nonprofit in the strict sense of the word, right,

1139
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: it's not set up like one, but that's kind of

1140
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: what they want to do, and you need strategy to

1141
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: be a nonprofit. You need to know where the money's going,

1142
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: how it's being spent, and what's who's being serviced by it,

1143
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: and it has to be pretty otherwise it doesn't do anything.

1144
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: It's just money being flown around to different hands that

1145
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: doesn't really affect make lasting change. So it's really too

1146
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: bad that it doesn't get into that because it feels

1147
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: like that was really probably what they needed to hear

1148
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: the most. But controversy around Fuck for Forrest was renewed

1149
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: and twenty eleven, when three members went up to the

1150
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: Altar naked and simulated sex during Mass at the Oslo Cathedral.

1151
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: In my way, I remember this.

1152
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like the one of the priests was like,

1153
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: I just feel sorry for them that they felt the

1154
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: need to do that or whatever. And the only reason

1155
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: these three gave was that they quote wanted to express

1156
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: their love.

1157
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: Oh.

1158
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: But of course they did get some new subscribers out

1159
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: of it, so I imagine they just do these stunts

1160
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: to like kind of call attention to them, the organization,

1161
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: and get some more people to the site.

1162
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: Mass at the Oslo Cathedral. Oh, I just wanted to

1163
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: express them. Let me give you a list of places

1164
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 2: you could express your love. Right, that's not the center

1165
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: of a you know of a big family event.

1166
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: Like a religious ceremony, a.

1167
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 2: Religious ceremony, bedrooms right, public bathrooms, common place comshots, performances.

1168
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: You know, you just go to a concert. There's plenty

1169
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: of opportunities. You guys chose Mass.

1170
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: They were trying to get some inks billed about them

1171
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: and get some folks to the website. I'm not mad

1172
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: at them or anything for that. It just seems annoying

1173
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: that they would go. I don't I'm not a religious person.

1174
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: The organized religions are usually used for evil, this seems

1175
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: to be these days, and greed, and so I don't

1176
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: find them to be super sacred, but a lot of

1177
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: people do. And if they're at mass at a cathedral,

1178
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's just disrespectful in a way that's kind

1179
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: of unsavory to me.

1180
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 2: It's a lot of places that I don't necessarily respect

1181
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: the institution, but I'm not going to go and disrupt it.

1182
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: Like I sat nice and quietly through that entire DC

1183
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: movie last night.

1184
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: You sure did you know?

1185
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: And actually I was pleasantly surprised. So I could have

1186
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: caused a ruckus.

1187
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I could have made trouble. So Fuck for Forrest is

1188
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: still in operation today according to their website, which is

1189
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: fuck Forforest dot com. There you go, don't go to it.

1190
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: We're at work, Romance bump.

1191
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: Night out right, they be like, what happened? Don't go

1192
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: to it if you're a work though, because I did

1193
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: visit it when we were at switch Yards and it's

1194
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: full of very graphic naked photos. So I had to

1195
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: like be like click out of that website because some

1196
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: people are going to be like, what the fuck is

1197
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: that girl doing? But anyway, according to their website. They

1198
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: do have eight thousand activists providing contents to the website,

1199
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: so a lot of variety. I suppose. It's still not

1200
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: super clear how successful they are at distributing their money,

1201
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: but they do list several projects they say they funded

1202
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: over the years. They also claim that eighty percent of

1203
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: the money they collect goes to environmental causes.

1204
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 2: Okay, the other twenty percent goes to lube.

1205
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: Or cucumbers and cucumbers, I should say, so, I don't know.

1206
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about fuck for forest?

1207
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel like this is worth it? Do you

1208
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: think they're doing it right? I mean, what do you think?

1209
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: Look, I have a complicated, not a complicated relationship. I

1210
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 2: just I just find myself with complicated feelings about environmental

1211
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: activism groups a lot of the times, because I strongly

1212
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: feel that there should be more rage and noise and

1213
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 2: attention brought to environmental issues for all the passion I

1214
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: have for social issues that we have in this country

1215
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: across the world, which are paramount, I mean, the utmost importance.

1216
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: But they also don't mean, dick, if the planet kills

1217
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: us all, you're right, which I very much, And I

1218
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: don't know why this isn't the most obvious thing in

1219
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: the world to everyone. The planet is a living body,

1220
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 2: and much like our own bodies, when it feels sick,

1221
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: when it feels when its systems are imbalanced, it will

1222
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: heat up to try and kill the thing that is

1223
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 2: hurting it. That's literally what our bodies do. That's what

1224
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: a fever is, is trying to cook and kill the

1225
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: things in there that can't survive at those heats. That's

1226
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: what the Earth is doing to us as we speak,

1227
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: because we're making it exactly instead of I do like

1228
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: want to scream that from the rooftops, shake people until

1229
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: they pay attention, et cetera, et cetera. But I also

1230
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: think that you're not getting the right attention when you

1231
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: go out and irritate people to try and get them,

1232
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, like throwing paint on you know, throwing shit

1233
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: on famous paintings that was going on last year, that

1234
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: was real big for a minute. There's value in protest,

1235
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 2: and there's value in disruption. There's even some value in

1236
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: you know, breaking windows and burning shit down. At a

1237
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 2: certain point. It has worked in the past to disrupt

1238
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: some pretty evil stuff. But also when you need everyone

1239
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: on your side, just angering them, ruining their religious ceremonies

1240
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't see

1241
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 2: the evidence that shows that this brings you progress right now.

1242
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: So if they just want to fuck and sell porn

1243
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: and donate that money to good causes, I wish those

1244
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: organizations would accept that money.

1245
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: Who cares?

1246
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: The money's money I have covered in the cumshots, right.

1247
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: I think it is weird that they were like, I'm

1248
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: not taking your money.

1249
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: That's so ridiculous.

1250
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,439
Speaker 1: I understand if you're like, oh, this is a well

1251
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: known pedophile. I'm not taking their money. I get that,

1252
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: but like, this is all consensual, so it's like who

1253
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: gives a shit?

1254
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?

1255
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: It seems it does seem a little prudish of the

1256
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: non profits to be like, well, if you make money

1257
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: from sex, I can't somehow use that for leaves and

1258
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: trees and shit, Like why not?

1259
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: There might they might, now I don't know. Again, speculation

1260
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: station here. There might be an issue where they say, look, legally,

1261
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: I have to put you on our website if you

1262
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: donate this money. If I put fuck for Forest on

1263
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: my website, Google will stop showing my results to you know,

1264
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 2: Like it could be something like that where we don't

1265
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: really understand why. There's a real challenge there.

1266
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know. These are also Norwegian uh

1267
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: ron profits specifically, I don't know what their rules are.

1268
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: So theirs would be doogle boat let me go on

1269
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: my babe site.

1270
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's sorry. I'm sorry Norway, that's the one.

1271
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 2: Sorry to the entire Scandinavian region.

1272
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: Yes, we are sorry to finish.

1273
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten to you yet.

1274
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, why would you? Why would you start?

1275
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. Also the same exact accent for those.

1276
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: It's different in Finland, man, But I was going to

1277
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: say to your point, there is like a for example,

1278
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: there's an organization called Femen I think, okay, it's a

1279
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: women's organism, a women's rights organization in Ukraine and they

1280
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: do topless protests for women's rights and a lot of

1281
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: it is like a lot of people come to Ukraine

1282
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: and get or a lot of sex trafficking comes out

1283
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: of you apparently. And so they were like, Ukraine is

1284
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: not a brothel. Is like a movie they made a

1285
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: documentary they made about that, stuff like that, and they

1286
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: said specific you know, people were like, these bitches are

1287
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: always making so much trouble and whatever. And these ladies

1288
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: are like, the thing is is that when we protest

1289
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: not topless, nobody covers it. It's you know, punintended, but nobody.

1290
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 1: There's no attention. When we're topless, there's attension, and we

1291
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: bring awareness to because people notice and they want to

1292
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 1: be mad. It's like it's almost like rage engagement stupid

1293
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: food videos, but in this case it is actually for

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Speaker 1: social activist reason. They're like, when we don't take our

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Speaker 1: titties out, y'all don't care what we're saying, but we

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Speaker 1: do get what we need when we do, so that's

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Speaker 1: how we're going to do it. And they've been beaten

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Speaker 1: up and prisoned, they've gotten death threats for doing this,

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Speaker 1: so it's not it is it requires a lot of

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Speaker 1: bravery for them to do that. And I understand that

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Speaker 1: it seems like, I don't know, a little like a

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Speaker 1: ten grabby or something. But they do make a good

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Speaker 1: point that sometimes the nudity it's not about being I

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Speaker 1: don't want to be naked for y'all, it's not like that.

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Speaker 1: It's just that it will capture your attention because we're

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Speaker 1: not supposed to be doing that. And so it's also

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Speaker 1: a way to kind of say, this is my body

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Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to display it if I want it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, but I thought that was an interesting point

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Speaker 1: for them.

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Speaker 2: It is, and I think that's you know, there's a

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I see a big difference there, and

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Speaker 2: I have to say, maybe it's just because I intrinsically

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Speaker 2: am like, oh, I support that, and I don't support

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Speaker 2: destroying art in museums. You know, that might just be

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Speaker 2: my own it's easy for me to say those two

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Speaker 2: things without trying too hard, but my feelings are one

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Speaker 2: of those things. While inviting a lot of negative attention

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 2: has more I think of potential to attract positive attention.

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Speaker 2: Where there's a lot of people saying, oh, I hadn't

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Speaker 2: heard about you until the news put you on, but

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Speaker 2: hell yeah, I support you, and the thing you're doing

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Speaker 2: is putting yourself on the line, yeah, versus the other

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Speaker 2: one that's saying, I'm here to destroy something you love

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Speaker 2: and they're not. Usually this paintings are covered in glass anyway,

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Speaker 2: and that all wipes off and they're fine. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm here to literally just make everyone angry. There's a

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Speaker 2: much smaller success potential in that to me, again, I'm

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Speaker 2: not telling you the numbers. I don't know. Maybe they

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Speaker 2: maybe they have got a lot of donations after their actions,

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Speaker 2: but but you know, I mean, I'm just it doesn't

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Speaker 2: feel as inviting, yeah again to me as an individual,

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Speaker 2: so who knows the longer larger picture.

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Speaker 1: But I feel that I think it's interesting to use

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Speaker 1: porn in this way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They they're not wrong. Porn makes a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: It sure does.

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: And they're like, I want to I'm willing to make it. Yeah, fine,

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01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: you watch me have zex and the outdoors my girlfriend. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I give the money to whatever to preserve the

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Speaker 1: rainforest in Brazil, and I feel good about myself and

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: this is my job. I guess it's just not bad

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01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: or whatever. So it's I don't know, kind of speaks

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: to some again colonial Virginia puritanism, right, which is weird

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: to find in Norway, but to kind of say, oh,

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01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to you're not allowed to collect money

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: in that way, even for a good cause. Like it's

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: just it's just some something against porn specifically, right, or

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: like being willing to put out a sex tape or something.

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: We're not even talking about like porn stars who are

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: like fucking different people every day. This is a couple

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: doing a sex tape that they put out, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, even if you're like, oh, well,

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: porn stars are promiscuous, we're talking about two people that

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Speaker 1: are in a relationship doing it. So it's kind of

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really understand why it's a problem.

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01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,440
Speaker 1: The live sex stuff is, but the porn part of itself.

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Speaker 2: I don't think about. They're like the base of what

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01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: they're doing, Like if they're raising money again giving it

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Speaker 2: to good causes and.

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Speaker 1: You can donate anonymously most of the time. Sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it just seems weird that they and I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: this happened too in like Oh for the right after,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're in the headlines, is like having

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Speaker 1: done this live sex thing and how gross and what's

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 1: going on? These organizations were like, no, we can't be

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Speaker 1: associated with you. And maybe that's still the case in Norway.

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Speaker 1: I had never heard of fuck for Forest, have you? No, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd never heard of it. Oh here, So I don't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's still a really big thing in Norway and

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Speaker 1: Berlin and stuff that like this organization is still out here.

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Speaker 2: I like that they I like fuck for Forest. I

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: wonder if how much work it tak it took to

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01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: get to that, right, you know they're like, fuck to forest. No, no,

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 2: not fuck the forest.

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01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: We don't. That's what we're doing now.

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01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: Fuck in the forest, fuck for the forest, for for

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Speaker 2: for triple F.

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Speaker 1: Well it's funny you say fuck the forest, because that

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: was something that got when I was researching Fuck Ford Forrest. Ah,

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01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot about eco sexuality, oh boy, kind of

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01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: tied up, which is really interesting. And it's kind of

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: the idea that instead of an Earth mother, you have

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01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: an Earth lover. Oh, and you treat the Earth as

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01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: a sexy partner Earth. And it's it's kind of fascinating.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of laughable. I guess you could laugh at it,

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: but there's there's something really interesting about it. And well,

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work on it and tell you all about

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01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: it in our next episode. Because it also involves two

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Speaker 1: lesbian performance artists who are married and they did a

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 1: bunch of like, uh experimental weddings to where they married

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01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: the sun, the moon, the Appalachian Mountain, a bunch of

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01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: like abstract concepts. Y'all know from the theme song that

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: we love that trick, so I'm definitely gonna dive into

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Speaker 1: the two of them. It's Elizabeth Stevens an Annie Sprinkle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready.

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01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: To learn about eco sexuality because that's that's a lot

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 1: about about using vegetables as sex toys or whatever. Like,

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01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: it's a lot of that. It's very interesting.

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you talk about an earth lover instead of

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: an Earth mother, and I immediately think of Guya from

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 2: Captain Planet because she was she was a smoke.

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01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: Show Guya from Captain Plant, Oh.

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, voiced by I think uh, Margot Kidder and Whoopi Goldberg.

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,479
Speaker 2: Oh I remember guy.

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01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: Oh hell.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 2: In fact, I love that. When you google her, the

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01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: first picture that comes up is her splayed out on

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01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 2: a bed in a purple dress with her arms up

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: or over her head.

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: She does look like she's ready. She ready for a

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: Fuck for Forest video. Okay, amazing. So I just want

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01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: to thank her in Shaffley for this the suggestion, because

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: Fuck for Forrest is really really interesting. It's a lot

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: of naughty and naughty problems.

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01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: All up in naughty K n O T T Y,

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: like Tree knots.

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01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh, true, Well that's what I meant at first, naughty problems.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, but also not think meant like tied up in knots. Yeah,

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about tree knots. So there's three different Yeah,

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01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: but there's three different meanings. That's true.

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: I just meant they're spelled the same way.

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm talking about homonym's here.

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01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, apologies, Like.

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: We came out so strong saying the same thing at

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01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: the same time, and now we're saying the same thing.

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01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 2: We're not getting it.

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01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I said naughty.

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 2: No, they should hear. They should know that.

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01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: But also, Kurinn, thank you for sharing it because I

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01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,719
Speaker 1: learned all about femin the Ukrainian Organization of topless protests

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01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: also the annual Global Orgasm for Peace.

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: What he told me about this sounds fake.

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 1: It is not fake. It's just small. But apparently people,

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01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: Oh I get it. It is small.

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01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: It feels like we've been faking the Orgasm for Peace

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: for a few decades now.

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01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: Apparently it is supposed to your everyone in the world

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: is supposed to have an orgasm on the same day

1441
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: thinking about peace, and it's the day of the winter.

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01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: The last day of the winter solstice. So if you

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: think about it, December twenty first or twenty second of

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01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: this year.

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01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 2: Get busy Nonmber twenty August, late August. Now, yeah we could,

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,679
Speaker 2: we could get there by then. Yeah, if we start now,

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: get where to orgasm? Oh?

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 1: To orgasm?

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: Okay, no, not to peace? That takes a lot longer.

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll start now then. But yeah, so

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 1: it was just interesting to like see that there were

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01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: other other especially particularly environmental stuff, where they're like, we

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: want to make environmental active is some kind of sexy.

1454
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 1: Now people think it's so boring, we're still like lame.

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01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: So we want to make it fun and sexy, which

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01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: is very interesting. And that's where yeah, we found about

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01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: started looking into eco sexuals and very very fascinating, quite

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01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: a spectrum of sexual experiences. Right, so we will get

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Speaker 1: to that next time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope y'all enjoyed these crazy, wild, very disparate stories.

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Speaker 1: What was your favorite? What was my Did you have

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Speaker 1: a favorite?

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if if I could have a favorite,

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 2: They're all my favorite. This is wild, I guess the

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Speaker 2: most their husbands.

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Speaker 1: I would say them fun. The most fun one is

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Speaker 1: probably the siege for fine Siege of Vine A good time,

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Speaker 1: A good time, but fat that's is pretty funny, very interesting. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope y'all enjoyed these stories. We had a

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Speaker 2: great time telling them to you. Thanks again to everyone

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Speaker 2: who sends this kind of stuff in because all your

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Speaker 2: suggestions help. You know, they ruin our lives because these

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Speaker 2: lists just keep getting longer longer. But I love the list,

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Speaker 2: but my Pride Prize document, So send us some more.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to hear you. We'd love to hear from

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Speaker 2: you and send us your thoughts on these.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, your goodie bag.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks always for giving your time to us. I

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Speaker 2: know we've been a little scattered lately, but we do

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Speaker 2: have some really cool stuff in the works. Cannot wait

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Speaker 2: to tell you about in the future when we can,

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Speaker 2: and until then, we hope to hear from you soon.

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