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Speaker 4: Peter Thiel's tech company Palenteer is becoming an increasing part
Speaker 4: of our politics.
Speaker 1: We can put up b one here.
Speaker 4: Laura Lomer, friend of the show here, has been met
Speaker 4: with Jabe Vance in the uh I guess the White
Speaker 4: House Complex last week last Tuesday, and now is saying
Speaker 4: it's time to deplore the time to deploy uh Palenteer
Speaker 4: tech to Los Angeles to deal with the illegals. You
Speaker 4: know you'd love to see it. You're lying if you
Speaker 4: say you want, wouldn't, which raise a lot of speculation
Speaker 4: about how central Palenteer is becoming to this administration's plans
Speaker 4: UH coming on the heels of this UH contract that
Speaker 4: volunteer is getting SAGA in order to kind of basically
Speaker 4: pull together information from across different agencies Social Security, I,
Speaker 4: R S, DHS, making it all searchable in one place,
Speaker 4: presumably also then able to combine it with all of
Speaker 4: the private data that Pollenteer has been able to collect,
Speaker 4: which is the which is the big problem. It has
Speaker 4: broken through to the kind of public podcast space, which
Speaker 4: is kind of one way you can gauge whether or
Speaker 4: not an issue is kind of resonating beyond just us
Speaker 4: chirping heads here inside the Beltway. Tim Dillon spoke about
Speaker 4: this recently, as did THEO Vaughn when he had Jade
Speaker 4: Vance on.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Tim Dillon here.
Speaker 5: You have not one reservation about what's going on over there.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying, I'm not saying you have to feel
Speaker 5: one way or another way. But if you don't have
Speaker 5: any reserve, if you have no reservations about what's happening
Speaker 5: with all these kids getting killed, if I don't know,
Speaker 5: I can't trust you. If you don't have any reservations
Speaker 5: about Palenteer taking everyone's information.
Speaker 6: I I don't know. I can't. I don't know if
Speaker 6: I can trust to you, I don't. I think they're
Speaker 6: buying people left and right. This is my gas. They
Speaker 6: tried it by me, my pussy couss.
Speaker 1: A lot of money.
Speaker 5: I get invited to these dinners, I don't go. I've
Speaker 5: been invited to Teale's house multiple times for dinner.
Speaker 6: I don't go. It's no shade at them or whatever.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: The reason I don't go is I know I remember
Speaker 5: one dinner the like we'd like to discuss the media.
Speaker 5: I go, what, No, thanks. But I've been to some
Speaker 5: of these places. I've sat in these houses in Austin
Speaker 5: with these tech people, and I know what they want,
Speaker 5: and I know what they want me to go out
Speaker 5: and cheerlead for and say, well, it's actually a great idea,
Speaker 5: and there's probably a lot of money in it. There's
Speaker 5: probably a lot of money, and I just can't do it.
Speaker 5: So my prediction, and I'm not I don't want to
Speaker 5: name names because I don't know, but my prediction is
Speaker 5: you're gonna see a lot of people over the next
Speaker 5: six months start thinking this lists a great idea, they're
Speaker 5: gonna start telling you how great this is and how
Speaker 5: it's about terrorism.
Speaker 6: That's the way that'll talk.
Speaker 5: Go Well, it's a terrrit Have you heard it's terrorism
Speaker 5: going on?
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As as I said, he is the George Carlin of
Speaker 3: our time, I do actually think we should spend some
Speaker 3: time on this Paletiner think I really haven't been able
Speaker 3: to dig into it. So I know you guys covered
Speaker 3: it while it was out. What exactly so there's a
Speaker 3: contract between the Trump administration Palenteer. Yeah, basically it's to
Speaker 3: use the Pollenteer like connective software.
Speaker 1: Boundary the foundry.
Speaker 4: To Tim Dillon said, it sounds like you're getting like,
Speaker 4: you know, some like like.
Speaker 1: Like fair trade coffee.
Speaker 3: That's true, actually does that as a fair trade coffee fanatic,
Speaker 3: That definitely is something that it does.
Speaker 1: It is like some new age coffee shop in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: But it's actually an opticon omni coon opticon.
Speaker 3: So the question here is like what so is the
Speaker 3: what is the purpose of the quote unquote Pollunteer database.
Speaker 3: It's just to compile all of this data and make
Speaker 3: it more searchable for law enforcement authorities. Like what is
Speaker 3: even the ostensible like justification by the investry. That was
Speaker 3: jd Vance's argument.
Speaker 4: We could play a little bit of him on THEO
Speaker 4: Vaughn who pressed him on it. Jd Vance's argument was, Look,
Speaker 4: the government already has all this data on you. In fact,
Speaker 4: government created some of it. They made your they made
Speaker 4: your solid security number, the government. You pay your taxes
Speaker 4: to the government. Critically, what's really driving it is an
Speaker 4: effort to connect I think criminal records, uh, tax records,
Speaker 4: social security numbers, and immigration records because they and what
Speaker 4: they really want to do is figure out people who
Speaker 4: are here illegally but filing taxes and figure out who
Speaker 4: they are and then go and deport them.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Interestingly, that like drains, the are this golden goose. Like
Speaker 4: the way that this two tier you know, society that
Speaker 4: we have going operates is that people who are here
Speaker 4: illegally in general pay taxes, but because they're here illegally,
Speaker 4: they can't get benefits. It flips the whole thing, It
Speaker 4: flips the whole thing on its head, that they're here.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you ever been to an er room?
Speaker 3: How many but what percent of a er in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles is illegal getting free helthcare?
Speaker 4: I'm very little because because they can get it because
Speaker 4: they can get medicaid there.
Speaker 1: They can get medicaid there. My point is is that
Speaker 1: is look, the idea that they're not.
Speaker 3: Consuming any tax prayer resource is insane, Like that's this
Speaker 3: is just not true.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I think more importantly, it's just wrong
Speaker 4: to have a two tier system.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, yeah, but it needs so it's two ways
Speaker 1: to accomplish that.
Speaker 4: That's basically it seems like what's going on here. They're
Speaker 4: trying to just connect. They're trying to connect everything and
Speaker 4: make it immediately searchable. But so THEO Vonn pressed Jadi
Speaker 4: Vance about what what does JD Vance owe Peter tele
Speaker 4: because of all of the money that Peter Teele invested
Speaker 4: in his in his campaign or I guess two campaigns.
Speaker 4: I guess only one really he didn't really kick in
Speaker 4: and the second one did he.
Speaker 3: On the present president I don't remember, doesn't matter. I
Speaker 3: think he did end up donating to the Trump not
Speaker 3: as much as he And so let's roll a little
Speaker 3: bit of JD Jad and theovon here.
Speaker 8: It costs a lot of money to run for office,
Speaker 8: and you got to go and raise money. Yeah, but
Speaker 8: I think that if your attitude is I owe something
Speaker 8: of these people gave me money, then you're going to
Speaker 8: end up being corrupted. And you've got to kind of
Speaker 8: take the attitude of their supporting me because they agree
Speaker 8: with me, and obviously, like you have conversations with him,
Speaker 8: Like you mentioned Peter Til, I see a lot of
Speaker 8: crazy stuff on the internet about Peter Tile. Like, you know,
Speaker 8: he's always been a friend of mine. He's always been
Speaker 8: one of the smartest people I've ever met. Just a
Speaker 8: very thoughtful dude. But he's literally never asked me once
Speaker 8: for anything. So he just believed in you. He believed
Speaker 8: in me. He agreed with me on a lot of issues.
Speaker 8: I mean, he definitely has like said, hey, I don't
Speaker 8: agree with you on this, but he's never said I
Speaker 8: don't agree with you on this, therefore you should vote differently,
Speaker 8: you act differently.
Speaker 4: And so in that same interview, he also THEO Von's
Speaker 4: like this, this is kind of gross, this whole database thing,
Speaker 4: and the way that JD kind of plays it off
Speaker 4: is all we're doing is connecting data that we already have,
Speaker 4: and that the bigger problem is the private corporate collection
Speaker 4: of data. What THEOVAN could have responded with is then
Speaker 4: maybe having a giant corporation come in and do it
Speaker 4: for the government is not the best way to shrink
Speaker 4: the amount of access to data, private private data that corporation.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what the major objection you're on
Speaker 3: the paletiner thing ought to be at the very least
Speaker 3: is Look, yeah, I think I support deborder, okay, if
Speaker 3: it makes it easier to deportay. But when you have
Speaker 3: a database, I mean, we saw this with the Patriot Act,
Speaker 3: you know, we saw this with a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And yes, just because the government has it and it's decentralized,
Speaker 3: isn't necessarily a bad thing for all of us. Like
Speaker 3: you know, having basically AI automated things in government databases
Speaker 3: is really bad. In fact, the vast majority of the
Speaker 3: audits that are initiated by the i r s are
Speaker 3: automatic by software, and they're predominantly against people who are
Speaker 3: lower income. And that's one of the ways that we
Speaker 3: have seen, you know, some of this AI stuff that's
Speaker 3: let's say, whenever it's deployed in healthcare companies, it automatically
Speaker 3: shoots down like claims right at you know, use and
Speaker 3: often actually does it incorrectly. And so that's one of
Speaker 3: the major worries about all of this, I mean, on
Speaker 3: the Peter Teal discussion, I'm going to split the difference
Speaker 3: where Look, I do think it's a little ridiculous, you know,
Speaker 3: the idea that somebody is supporting you because they don't
Speaker 3: want something. But I also think that this Teal thing
Speaker 3: in particular is vastly overstated compared to the entire like
Speaker 3: GOP industrial complex.
Speaker 1: And for some I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Know leftists will say this, but you know who, you know,
Speaker 3: want to know who the most prominent like policy area
Speaker 3: where the billionaires you donate to you actually do demand something,
Speaker 3: It's Israel's. It's actually not, in my opinion, in my
Speaker 3: experience in right wing politics and watching things in terms
Speaker 3: of what the real like SIOP and industrial complex here
Speaker 3: in Washington is. It has way more to do with
Speaker 3: foreign policy than it does have to do with you know,
Speaker 3: ice or what palunteer or any of this. The tech
Speaker 3: guys have definitely spent you know, quite a bit of money.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is similar I think also to
Speaker 3: like left wing or you know, when Kamma is like, well, hey,
Speaker 3: George Soros and Reid Hoffman and all those other people
Speaker 3: support you.
Speaker 1: Know, like, well, a lot of rich people support.
Speaker 3: Me, you know, so it's any one of them could
Speaker 3: drop out.
Speaker 1: I would say it's more of a systemic thing.
Speaker 3: But I do think it is ridiculous, you know, the
Speaker 3: idea that they don't necessarily want something. In Teal's particular case,
Speaker 3: deal is like, I mean, it is an interesting story
Speaker 3: if you go you know, the JD.
Speaker 1: Van's origin stories.
Speaker 3: Literally is like a law student at Yale University meets
Speaker 3: Peter Teel after a lecture. Peter's like, hey, he's a
Speaker 3: smart guy, who should hire him? Right, And so I
Speaker 3: mean they do actually go web back a long time.
Speaker 3: That is pretty rare, even all of them in politics.
Speaker 3: But you know, this like symbiosis between rich people and politicians.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: At a certain point it just seems systemic to me,
Speaker 3: where it's like what people who are bitching about this,
Speaker 3: who take oceans of money from Bill Gates and all
Speaker 3: these other people like shut up, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm not saying.
Speaker 3: There are many people like you, Crystal and others who
Speaker 3: are totally for a systemic critique. But you know, to
Speaker 3: see DNC like a people talking about this, I'm like,
Speaker 3: we all know who you had dinner with every day
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles or in San Francisco. Just like to stop,
Speaker 3: you know, pretending as if you were in any way different.
Speaker 1: The difference is that jd.
Speaker 4: Vance is in a lot of ways basically unique in
Speaker 4: American politics in the sense that a lot of these candidates,
Speaker 4: they like, they come up through the traditional pipelines they
Speaker 4: stand for. You know, there are four rich people there
Speaker 4: for corporate power, whether they're Democrats or Republicans. And then yeah,
Speaker 4: like these rich donors are actually supporting their agenda because
Speaker 4: these politicians made it clear that their agenda is to
Speaker 4: support the powerful. So okay, you can say that they
Speaker 4: just they just love my ideas, my idea happening to
Speaker 4: me that you should have lower taxes and less regulations.
Speaker 4: Amazing how that worked out. But with jad Vance, he
Speaker 4: wasn't even to your point, he wasn't even a politician.
Speaker 4: Peter Teel is like, I like this guy, and Jady
Speaker 4: Van's obviously a very smart and talented guy. So you know,
Speaker 4: Peter Teel was correct in that assessment. Uh, but then
Speaker 4: when he he gets him to run for Senate, not
Speaker 4: just gets him to run.
Speaker 1: I don't think he got him to run.
Speaker 3: I think he just wanted to run, and I'm telling
Speaker 3: you somebody who needs them for sure. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was like, hey, you should run for office.
Speaker 1: He's like, I want. That's true. He's an ambitious guy.
Speaker 1: And but it's not just it was Blake Masters as well.
Speaker 4: By the way the Blake said, he said no earlier, right,
Speaker 4: he could have run in twenty it was at eighteen,
Speaker 4: I think sixteen, I don't actually remember, but twenty twenty, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it was.
Speaker 3: It's funny to me because the Blake Masters is much
Speaker 3: more of like the Peter Teel. He actually runs for
Speaker 3: Teal for real, like Teal Capital, you know, whenever he
Speaker 3: ran for office, and I don't I guess only because.
Speaker 1: He lost nobody. That's true Blake Master attention to him.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, that is more.
Speaker 4: Of this, much more of like what I think, and
Speaker 4: he seems to be more like I think jad Vance
Speaker 4: is in line with a lot of the Peter Teele stuff,
Speaker 4: but Blake Masters is like just a clone of it.
Speaker 1: Innocent, I mean, I guess Emily, I honestly don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Master just a weird guy, you know,
Speaker 3: to be honest, doesn't have a job right now the
Speaker 3: Trump administration.
Speaker 1: I think he did. He did get a job done.
Speaker 4: So when you say, well, Peter Tiel, just like you
Speaker 4: know he agrees with me, I don't agree with him.
Speaker 4: It's like it's weird because you've been a team for
Speaker 4: so long. Is the is more than for people to
Speaker 4: point out. Obviously I encourage people. There is a great
Speaker 4: book George Packer Liberal, you'll back me up on this.
Speaker 1: He wrote The Unwinding. Have you read that book from
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen sitting on my shelf.
Speaker 3: The Unwinding is one of the best book, most pression
Speaker 3: books I've ever read, and because it came out in
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen and predicted the Trump era, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: far before anyone else. And actually Peter Teal is profiled
Speaker 3: in The Unwinding And one of the things that Teal says,
Speaker 3: which ends up becoming massive depression is he's like, I
Speaker 3: think that the next person who wins the American presidency
Speaker 3: will do so on a message of American decline, and
Speaker 3: it will not be on a message of American optimism kumbay,
Speaker 3: a kind of what Obama was selling, and that you'll remember.
Speaker 3: That's why Teal is one of the only people prominent
Speaker 3: business people to speak on the RNC stage in twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen and arguably was one of the only like quote
Speaker 3: unquote titans of industry or whatever to actually be pro Trump.
Speaker 3: And I mean, if we'll also say this, if we
Speaker 3: think back to twenty sixteen, JD is calling Trump Hitler.
Speaker 1: Peter tut our stage.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so let's let's point out, you know, some
Speaker 3: of the things they're going on here, like you know,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a contravening interest.
Speaker 1: And it's only later on.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jad doesn't really become a full bound Trump
Speaker 3: guy till twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when Trump and actually
Speaker 3: that's when Teal reduces his amount of funding to the
Speaker 3: Republican Party and basically says, hey, screw you, guys, took
Speaker 3: advantage of me and I don't really want to be
Speaker 3: on the team anymore. And in twenty twenty and twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, I wouldn't say sits out the election per se,
Speaker 3: but it does a lot less and you don't see
Speaker 3: him giving the same speeches in Washington or at the
Speaker 3: Bitcoin conference or r the RNC stage in the similar
Speaker 3: way that he did in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's that's an aasing Is it a port story?
Speaker 1: All right? The whole the Yvonne thing is worth listening to.
Speaker 4: Jada Vance is just disturbingly good in those environments. Why
Speaker 4: do you think it's disturbing because you know, I'm with
Speaker 4: the Yvonne through most of it. Where he's like pressing
Speaker 4: Advance on the genocide. Yeah, and it was good to
Speaker 4: see him raise it. But then you know, Jada Vance
Speaker 4: picks up on the phrase genocide and it just kind
Speaker 4: of dissects that and then just moves into Ukraine. He's
Speaker 4: just so good at like sounding reasonable and moving.
Speaker 1: We can a democrat do that, and we saw that
Speaker 1: there's tons of very few of them. It's more of
Speaker 1: a talent problem. Yes, all right, let's get to China.
Speaker 3: Then let's break some of this down here with the
Speaker 3: United States and China relationship, here with the trade war,
Speaker 3: let's put this up there on the screen. We just
Speaker 3: want to give everybody an updates, just because it's still very,
Speaker 3: very important to pay attention. So they both met yesterday
Speaker 3: in London. It was the second time that the negotiators
Speaker 3: have met over tariffs and supply chains. Remember, Trump has
Speaker 3: kind of been wobbly ever since he backed down on
Speaker 3: the China tariffs, accusing she and all of them of
Speaker 3: violating some of the trade agreements or the interim trade agreements.
Speaker 1: So basically what happened is that we had the.
Speaker 3: Previous round in Switzerland, things kind of fell apart, but
Speaker 3: the tariffs still remain where their twenty percent tariffs and
Speaker 3: all that remain there. Basically, Ryan, it seems that the
Speaker 3: major contention right now is about the massive slowdown in
Speaker 3: these critical minerals that the Chinese really have a choke
Speaker 3: hold on.
Speaker 1: And there's a very good story here.
Speaker 3: Actually I want to highlight which just shows everybody kind
Speaker 3: of the problem with the slapshot stuff that's going on.
Speaker 3: Let's put it up there on the screen is quote
Speaker 3: China produces the world's entire supply of samarium.
Speaker 1: It's a rare earth metal.
Speaker 3: The US and its allies need to rebuild inventories of
Speaker 3: fighter jets, missiles, and other hardware. Well guess what they
Speaker 3: are currently massively restricting the export controls on these heat
Speaker 3: resistant magnets weighed with quote rare earth minerals that have
Speaker 3: exposed a major vulnerability in the US military supply chain.
Speaker 3: Without these magnets, the US and its allies are quote
Speaker 3: struggling to refill recently depleted inventories of military hardware. Now,
Speaker 3: it's also worth there's so much happening in this that
Speaker 3: I want to break it down. When they say recently depleted, Ryan,
Speaker 3: why are our missiles recently depleted?
Speaker 1: We're not in a war, are we.
Speaker 4: There's a great line in the same Marco says, these
Speaker 4: stocks have been severely depleted by shipments to Ukraine after
Speaker 4: the Russian invasion, end for the United States to Israel, oh,
Speaker 4: during the Godzig Right, So.
Speaker 3: We have these two proxy wars which you have no
Speaker 3: business even being involved in, which is massively depleted at
Speaker 3: our stock, and now we need to replete that stock
Speaker 3: after we spent untold billions of dollars and poured it
Speaker 3: into this for literally nothing if in fact getting inverse
Speaker 3: on inverse return on both of those. And then we're
Speaker 3: you know, sitting here the whole time, which I mean,
Speaker 3: I've been doing segments here for three plus years about
Speaker 3: why this is a bad idea to deplete US military
Speaker 3: supply chain for both of these conflicts.
Speaker 1: Lo, and behold, what do we see we have a
Speaker 1: chokehold on the minerals.
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't gotten we dropped a lot on
Speaker 4: Yemen two. Yeah, for no reason.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is what I have not gotten
Speaker 3: a chance to speak about this.
Speaker 1: It is very important.
Speaker 3: I think that one of the most important things that
Speaker 3: happened whenever I was gone was that drone swarm attack
Speaker 3: by Ukraine on the Russian bombers force. You had an
Speaker 3: attack which costs nothing, which destroyed billions of dollars in
Speaker 3: proper hunt. And do you know who Russia is in
Speaker 3: that situation? You're looking at Okay, who's rocking eleven? You know,
Speaker 3: aircraft carriers on the high seas with billion dollar missiles
Speaker 3: that are basically useless against the Hoho thies and.
Speaker 1: F sixteen's falling off the side.
Speaker 3: He's falling off the sides because we have improper safety protocol,
Speaker 3: lack of training.
Speaker 1: Except I could go on forever.
Speaker 3: The carrying cost of the United States military is now
Speaker 3: getting up to one trillion dollars. And in two proxy conflicts,
Speaker 3: we have watched the Ukrainian drone force destroy a multi
Speaker 3: billion dollar force of Russian nuclear capable bombers, and we
Speaker 3: have watched literally these Yemeny houthis living in caves who
Speaker 3: are able to cobble together Iranian made you know, like
Speaker 3: missiles and fire them at shifts, and we have done
Speaker 3: nothing about it. We have depleted a massive stock of
Speaker 3: missiles and all this, and we're reliant here on the
Speaker 3: Chinese supply chain. You need an entire rethinking of the
Speaker 3: entire US military industrial conflicts. But the point is is
Speaker 3: that the bloat is the bloat is the entire purpose
Speaker 3: having this inefficient, you know, highly expensive military reliant on
Speaker 3: China and all that. That is the pillar of globalization
Speaker 3: that keeps all of this going, and especially here in DC.
Speaker 3: And if we ever get into you know, God help us,
Speaker 3: if we ever get into a conflict, because that Ukraine thing,
Speaker 3: that's going to happen everywhere and you're going to see
Speaker 3: billions obliterated in seconds. And then we're going to be
Speaker 3: scrambling for drones. And I have a one guess as
Speaker 3: to where the best drones in the world come from,
Speaker 3: and where the best drone parts in the world come from.
Speaker 9: To right.
Speaker 4: And China, as it's been tol helping its own military capacity,
Speaker 4: has spent the last thirty years studying our kinetic activity
Speaker 4: and Afghanistan nonract.
Speaker 1: Are sanctions as well.
Speaker 3: They're the most sanctioned, proved country in the world, that
Speaker 3: the best prepared military right now, I think to face
Speaker 3: any Western style conflict. And you know, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, industrialization and ability to build is everything. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: here in America, you know, we launched a trade war
Speaker 3: against the entire world. Everyone's like, what, like, why isn't
Speaker 3: a car seat more expensive? And we all just have
Speaker 3: to pay attention to this criminology in London and hoping
Speaker 3: that things don't pop off again.
Speaker 4: And let's talk real quickly about that, the industrial policy
Speaker 4: failure here two thousand and nine. In that same article
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine, US Congress says, look, the samarium
Speaker 4: thing seems to be pretty central to our entire military
Speaker 4: industrial complex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's made in China. Let's rectify that.
Speaker 4: So great foresight on the part of our lawmakers and
Speaker 4: our defense policy makers. So they ear mark, you know,
Speaker 4: tens of millions of dollar thirty million, I think it
Speaker 4: was for this factory. And it was a Washington state
Speaker 4: that's going to reopen a mine where there's some samarium.
Speaker 4: And then it's going to refine it. For a variety
Speaker 4: of reasons, it's cheaper for them to continue getting it
Speaker 4: from China, but they buy, they buy a bunch of
Speaker 4: the equipment that is going to allow them to create
Speaker 4: the you know, to transform the rare earths into the
Speaker 4: type of magnets that are needed for this high end
Speaker 4: military technology because they're extraordinarily heat resistant. As they're getting
Speaker 4: closer to doing that, the Biden administration then also cuts
Speaker 4: a contract with the giant company in Texas that's going
Speaker 4: to do the same thing. At the same time, China
Speaker 4: is still selling samarium to Lockheed Martin and these other
Speaker 4: customers at much cheaper prices then the US can do
Speaker 4: it because the US doesn't have its industry up yet.
Speaker 4: And the one in Washington State looks at the one
Speaker 4: in Texas and it's like, well, we can't compete. There
Speaker 4: aren't enough buyers for two of these companies, and it
Speaker 4: looks like Biden's in with the Texas one, so they
Speaker 4: shut down, basically bankrupt, and then the Texas one never
Speaker 4: gets off the ground either. So two thousand and nine
Speaker 4: to the day, we still don't have this the production capacity.
Speaker 4: If you're China, how about just don't give us any
Speaker 4: maggots and just declare world peace like we're like, we're done.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So one of the most depressing stories that I
Speaker 3: heard are sorry read while I was gone was this
Speaker 3: story about how the Chinese managed their industrial policy.
Speaker 1: And it would be like if we had every you know,
Speaker 1: only have all these buildings in DC full of all
Speaker 1: these bureaucrats.
Speaker 3: Imagine if they actually were the best in the brightest
Speaker 3: from across the entire universal system in the crypto and finance,
Speaker 3: and these people are like the best in the brightest
Speaker 3: in China. Deep list PhD level economists, experts who are
Speaker 3: sitting there managing and green lighting each proude off the ground,
Speaker 3: evaluating its ability for success going out into the private sector,
Speaker 3: finding the manager who will be the public private partner.
Speaker 3: They have total dictatorship control over their whole country, so
Speaker 3: they choose the most optimal land.
Speaker 1: They don't have to deal with some they'll do for them,
Speaker 1: make them complete.
Speaker 3: They come in and they're like, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 3: do it here and we're going to make sure this
Speaker 3: is built for this is this, And you would be
Speaker 3: shocked to learn that that's actually extremely effective.
Speaker 1: So I just want people.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I'm not saying I support that system,
Speaker 3: but it works, and it works pretty well.
Speaker 4: The abundance crowd would point out that some of the
Speaker 4: manufacturing of this is extremely polluting. Oh and China, China
Speaker 4: put it in a place that's like way out in
Speaker 4: the middle.
Speaker 1: Of Noble that is empirically true and just, and they just.
Speaker 4: Ran over any opposition to all of the pollution that
Speaker 4: it was creating, whereas in the US, people in Washington
Speaker 4: State are like, this sounds pretty bad.
Speaker 3: Oh, we need an environmental impact stove. Yes, whatever, I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: I get it. We live in a federalist you know,
Speaker 3: we live in a federalist republic.
Speaker 1: Wit to have states rights, and it has worked pretty well.
Speaker 1: I guess you know.
Speaker 3: We're still we are running up against a system which
Speaker 3: is very intelligently designed and which exponentially continues to find
Speaker 3: this ability to basically have like arbitrage opportunities against the
Speaker 3: US economy and slowly is either competing and or trying
Speaker 3: to replace it at a broad level. I also want
Speaker 3: to put C three up here because also, unlike in China,
Speaker 3: we live in a democracy, and guess what, you know,
Speaker 3: things are still pretty shaky right now.
Speaker 1: It's from the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 3: The US economy is headed towards a very uncomfortable summer.
Speaker 1: Quote.
Speaker 3: Companies are freezing, hiring, an investment to deal with shifting
Speaker 3: tariff policies.
Speaker 1: Even Trump doesn't know what he's going to do next.
Speaker 3: This is actually, arguably, in my opinion, the most important
Speaker 3: part of tariffs is basically a freezing of across the
Speaker 3: entire US economy, and people just have no idea what
Speaker 3: to do, and so they're hoarding cash. You have millions
Speaker 3: of companies across the US which basically are just not hiring,
Speaker 3: not really doing anything big. They just want to sit
Speaker 3: around and wait to see what the macro policy is.
Speaker 3: And with that, you're seeing what we saw in the
Speaker 3: initial jobs report.
Speaker 1: With the labor market.
Speaker 3: There's been a basically a hiring freeze that we've seen.
Speaker 3: You are watching some of the consumer pushback that could
Speaker 3: happen with reduced consumption if we do even a ten
Speaker 3: percent price increase. Actually, by the way, with eggs, I
Speaker 3: was just looking yesterday, it's been a huge issue because
Speaker 3: of bird flu. It doesn't look like eggs are coming
Speaker 3: down anytime soon. In the next year or so. Just
Speaker 3: as a result of some of the flock shortages. And
Speaker 3: then you've also got the financial market basic continued massive
Speaker 3: shocks that are up and down, So basically across the system,
Speaker 3: there's just a tremendous amount of uncertainty. Things could happen
Speaker 3: at any moment. I know, the steel tariffs went into effect.
Speaker 3: We went up to fifty percent, right, you know, while
Speaker 3: I was gone. That takes a while to show up.
Speaker 3: Building materials from Canada, things from China, and all of
Speaker 3: that shortage. You may not see it the way you
Speaker 3: imminently would have with the one hundred whatever percent China tariffs,
Speaker 3: but they may begin to show up. So we don't
Speaker 3: know quite yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the market and the media seemed to have
Speaker 4: moved on because of Taco Trump, like they think that
Speaker 4: Trump is going to chicken out, and this it's what
Speaker 4: they have priced in, is him chickening out and he
Speaker 4: will eventually unravel this trade war, and they probably will.
Speaker 4: They're probably not wrong about that in the long term.
Speaker 4: In the short term, people are getting destroyed every single
Speaker 4: day with even with these twenty percent tariffs. If you
Speaker 4: got a million dollar order coming in, that's a lot
Speaker 4: of money you owe two hundred grand on that That
Speaker 4: was your your margin on that entire project, that this
Speaker 4: million dollars of supplies coming in was maybe you know,
Speaker 4: five to ten percent. Maybe let's say it was twenty percent.
Speaker 4: Nice little margin you had there. It had to be
Speaker 4: well above twenty percent for you not to be insolvent
Speaker 4: based on just twenty percent tariffs, especially because you couldn't
Speaker 4: price that in ahead of time. So yeah, while while
Speaker 4: Trump you know, takes his time getting to his final taco,
Speaker 4: people are just you know, crashing and burning.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, we certainly will see, let's get to
Speaker 1: the ovon.
Speaker 3: And so there were two interesting moments the Gaza want
Speaker 3: you want to set this up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So yeah, so there was you know, Theovonne went viral
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, uh, you know, getting to kind
Speaker 4: of tears talking about the genociding in Gaza. Uh, And
Speaker 4: he's like, guys that we just we just cannot not
Speaker 4: talk about the fact that this is being done on
Speaker 4: a daily basis with our tax dollars and with weapons
Speaker 4: that that we're buying.
Speaker 1: This is an unconscionable thing to be happening.
Speaker 4: So when Jade Vance it was announced that he was
Speaker 4: going to appear on the Ovon's podcast. There were quite since,
Speaker 4: like is the obon gonna press him on this, let's see,
Speaker 4: And he did, and so we can watch a little
Speaker 4: of that exchange.
Speaker 10: It's the sickest thing I think it's ever been televised. Basically,
Speaker 10: if you consider watching something on your phone very sad.
Speaker 10: It's a mass It feels like a massacre, and it
Speaker 10: feels like, you know, I've called it a genocide. Other
Speaker 10: people have different thoughts about it, and that's fine, right,
Speaker 10: and I don't need anybody to share.
Speaker 9: The same thoughts or YouTube.
Speaker 10: But I think where it gets scary is that we give,
Speaker 10: you know, we're complicit in it because we help fund
Speaker 10: like military stuff, you know. And that's where it's like
Speaker 10: a regular guy, you're like, well, I'm paying these taxes
Speaker 10: and they're going towards this, Like but you can't do anything,
Speaker 10: you know, Like you can, you can, you can talk,
Speaker 10: you know, but it's like you can't. I don't understand
Speaker 10: how it becomes like tough for people, Like sometimes it
Speaker 10: feels like we look out for the interests of Israel
Speaker 10: before we look out for the interests of America.
Speaker 9: So let me say a couple of things.
Speaker 8: So so number one, like, I think you're a great dude,
Speaker 8: so would almost have to agree on everything.
Speaker 9: Do I think it's Do I think it's a genocide?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 8: And here's here's the reason why I don't think it's
Speaker 8: a genocide because I don't think that the Israelis are
Speaker 8: purposely trying to go in and murder every palaicity.
Speaker 9: I don't think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 8: I think they got hit hard, and I think they're
Speaker 8: they're they're trying to like, you know, sort of destroy
Speaker 8: this terrorist organization and war as hell, and and that
Speaker 8: is true. I also think it's true.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 8: I mean, I've seen people on my side of the
Speaker 8: political islbum or Republican you know that, but your audience
Speaker 8: may not. Who like we'll see these videos of these
Speaker 8: innocent Palestinian kids and say, oh, well they had it.
Speaker 9: Coming to them. No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 8: Like if if you have a soul, your heart should
Speaker 8: break when you see a little kid who's suffering. Which
Speaker 8: is why we have the policy that we have, which
Speaker 8: is we're trying to stop eliminate the conflict, eliminate the
Speaker 8: source of the conflict so that we can actually bring
Speaker 8: some peace and some some humanitarian assistance into people, and
Speaker 8: that's that's that's my basic view.
Speaker 4: So after that saga, he's theovonn comes back with something
Speaker 4: that might even be more damaging to kind of both
Speaker 4: parties long term, but also the Republicans, where he says
Speaker 4: THEO I was like, I don't know, man, it just
Speaker 4: seems like sometimes we care more about what's happening in
Speaker 4: Israel than we do what's happening here in.
Speaker 1: The United States.
Speaker 4: Empirically true, and Jade Vance says, you know, basically says
Speaker 4: Trump is trying to end the conflict.
Speaker 3: Which is a popular message and actually interesting and not
Speaker 3: necessarily one that we would have seen under.
Speaker 4: Working tireless administrations were working tired, working tirelessly.
Speaker 1: It is funny.
Speaker 3: I saw a lot of leftists very upset about this,
Speaker 3: and I was like, is there a single Democratic politician
Speaker 3: other than AOC or Rashida has AOC ever said the
Speaker 3: word genocide? I actually don't know, yes, Okay, earlier on
Speaker 3: how many are we talking about? Four?
Speaker 1: Four elected Democrats?
Speaker 3: So any person with national ambitions who would have been
Speaker 3: asked that question from the Democratic in fact, I mean,
Speaker 3: if you ask Richie Torres, you would probably get an
Speaker 3: even more warlike thank.
Speaker 1: God from something U. He's the kind of person that's
Speaker 1: attacking Trump for even he.
Speaker 3: Would say you're an anti semi yeah, he'd be like,
Speaker 3: you are antisemitic for saying the word genocide. So progress,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe, I mean, like I said, it's funny
Speaker 3: everybody focuses on the Peter Thial thing or whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think Israel is probably the issue most where you
Speaker 3: see a lock up of discussion on this issue, and
Speaker 3: that is one where Yeah, when I saw that answer, like,
Speaker 3: it's sad, you know to see. But also do I
Speaker 3: expect literally anything else from Donald Trump? Miriam Adelson freedom
Speaker 3: giver vice President, I'm like, well, that's politics. I always
Speaker 3: by the way, he actually has always been weirdly pro Israel,
Speaker 3: which I find oh yeah, absolutely, and so which I
Speaker 3: find genuinely like mystifying. It's like Israel is some force
Speaker 3: of benevolence and balance, you know in the region.
Speaker 1: I don't really know how how you get there. Did
Speaker 1: he serve in Iraq?
Speaker 9: Ji e.
Speaker 3: Vance, Well, I mean as a what is it called
Speaker 3: a public information officer in the but yeah, he was
Speaker 3: deployed to.
Speaker 4: Iraq for a year, yeah, I wonder if I wonder
Speaker 4: if something happened there.
Speaker 1: What would happen, Well, maybe.
Speaker 4: Like a real contempt for like Bagdad or something a
Speaker 4: real has to for the people there.
Speaker 1: And then you're like, well, at least the Israelis are.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, But then you would be who's
Speaker 3: the guy who wears the IDEF uniform in Congress? What's
Speaker 3: that guy's name mask? Yeah, but then you would be
Speaker 3: like a Brian mass figure. Actually it's good, who's the
Speaker 3: new congressman right with the Israeli flag? Like we cheer
Speaker 3: this on every time we see a dead Palestinian kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I mean within US politics, especially what
Speaker 3: in the broad spectrum of the Bell curve or whatever. Like,
Speaker 3: I guess we're just going to say it's a positive.
Speaker 3: But I think that the cultural positive coming out of
Speaker 3: this is to have a Theo von like figure out
Speaker 3: there who is willing to say something like this, and
Speaker 3: if he's going to use his platform at the very
Speaker 3: least ask That's another thing.
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of attacks on THEO.
Speaker 3: For not I'm like, look, guys, theon like we're expecting
Speaker 3: him to litigate Israel?
Speaker 1: What are we doing here. Okay, what you can get,
Speaker 1: you take what you could get. The fact that there's
Speaker 1: even like a level of criticism.
Speaker 3: Also, if we're going to normalize this and broadly, I
Speaker 3: think it's good to have politicians go on these shows. Yeah,
Speaker 3: every once in a while, you're gonna get a wild
Speaker 3: car question like that, because this is where unfortunately they're
Speaker 3: not actually giving enough credit to THEO.
Speaker 1: That word would never even be uttered.
Speaker 3: In a CNN interview, NPR never, right, So it's like, look,
Speaker 3: we're at least in some net positive territory here. I
Speaker 3: understand people want to have a big back and forth
Speaker 3: or whatever it's like, but you know, I still think
Speaker 3: we're along.
Speaker 4: With it because the real political problem for him is
Speaker 4: to confront that question. You're America first, but you seem
Speaker 4: like you care more about it is right, you see,
Speaker 4: we had to win.
Speaker 1: By the way, what is it?
Speaker 4: There was a piece of resolution to condemn the Bolder
Speaker 4: terrorist attack. Okay, great, condemn that terrorist attacks are bad.
Speaker 4: They wrote into it the terrorist shouted free Palestine, which
Speaker 4: is an anti Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction
Speaker 4: of the Jewish people, which then if you vote for it,
Speaker 4: you're voting for. You're affirming the definition of free Palestine
Speaker 4: as an anti Semitic slogan.
Speaker 1: We reported on this. It went viral. Code pink kicked into.
Speaker 4: Gear and they pulled it out and they passed the
Speaker 4: resolution just you know, condemning the.
Speaker 3: Didn't the ihr A resolution just become lawer am I
Speaker 3: is that fake news?
Speaker 1: What am I thinking? Well, it went, it went under Biden,
Speaker 1: it became law.
Speaker 3: Basically, it didn't get just get reaffirmed or something like that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they were re affirming it constantly. There might
Speaker 3: have been another resolution. Thing wonderful, how wonderful it is.
Speaker 4: But so the fact that they they could have passed it,
Speaker 4: yet they took it out, because I feel like there
Speaker 4: is at least some sense among both parties leaders that
Speaker 4: people are losing their patience for this stuff. That what
Speaker 4: do you mean you're going to tell me that free
Speaker 4: Palestine is legally now deemed to be an anti Semitic slogan.
Speaker 1: That it's just too ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But that is where I do see like some of
Speaker 3: this theo von Tim Dillon logan. Right, I'm not sure
Speaker 3: I've heard anything from Shane Gillis or but I watched
Speaker 3: these people closely just because I'm like, okay, like, where's
Speaker 3: the bro spear kind of you know, going in this
Speaker 3: regard and there is a general acknowledgment they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is pretty weird like this, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like the laws and the level of aloud to boycot.
Speaker 3: Government force you know, against mack mud Khalil or any
Speaker 3: of that. But I mean, arguably what's even crazier, I
Speaker 3: think than the deportations.
Speaker 1: Is at the highest level is like the full.
Speaker 3: Force of this quote Anti Semitism task Force basically setting
Speaker 3: the rules and regulations at different universities and then making it,
Speaker 3: you know, the policy of the United States government the
Speaker 3: way that you teach history at Harvard University. That's nuts,
Speaker 3: you know, at a federal level in particular, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then using it without applying. I mean, it's a different
Speaker 3: thing to say we're gonna withhold federal funding if universities
Speaker 3: violate existing law on the Civil Rights Act, that's like
Speaker 3: a long standing thing or against it, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Discrimination. I think that's fine, And if states.
Speaker 3: Want to get involved with the way that their public
Speaker 3: universities are, I've had a debate here before. Be my
Speaker 3: guest I think states, who are you know, like the
Speaker 3: University of Virginia, University of Texas and all these other places.
Speaker 3: These are state institutions which should genuinely generally be governed
Speaker 3: by the state legislatures and others with the input of
Speaker 3: their constituents. But at a federal level coming in over
Speaker 3: the top on some of these private institutions. That's where
Speaker 3: it just gets totally crazy. And I think people can
Speaker 3: see that very clearly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they ordered basically the middle eastern head of the
Speaker 4: Harvard's division.
Speaker 1: To be like fired. It's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: It's crazy. The fun thing. Other fun thing.
Speaker 4: The fun thing about the Theovone interview is it's happened
Speaker 4: just as the Musk Trump War was breaking out into
Speaker 4: the open. So we can actually start with D two B.
Speaker 4: This tear sheet from the Washington Post. They have interesting
Speaker 4: reporting that you know, Trump knew jade Vance is headed
Speaker 4: to this Theovonne interview, so he knows this is going
Speaker 4: to come up, and he said, you know, be cool,
Speaker 4: you know, don't don't go too.
Speaker 1: Hard on the poor guy. Yeah, we're still I'm still
Speaker 1: now it's weird.
Speaker 4: Well, while jade Vance was going to, uh, the interview,
Speaker 4: And while he's in the interview, Musk continues to turn
Speaker 4: the heat up. Like by the time he's like in
Speaker 4: the interview, he's calling for his impeachment and talking about
Speaker 4: the Epstein files. So when Trump gave that that recommendation
Speaker 4: or that that directive, he hadn't gone quite to know.
Speaker 1: The def con that he eventually did.
Speaker 4: But let's roll a little bit of theovon and talking
Speaker 4: about Epstein and Elon and Trump.
Speaker 9: Here d two Elon Musk and you may have heard
Speaker 9: of him. I've heard of him.
Speaker 10: Time to drop the really big bomb, right, And I
Speaker 10: thought this was going to be on iron I haven't
Speaker 10: even seen right, I haven't even seen this one. But
Speaker 10: he goes at real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
Speaker 10: This is the real reason they have not been made public.
Speaker 10: Have a nice day. Nice signature from a South African
Speaker 10: JT Man.
Speaker 8: Well here here's here's my basic reaction to like all
Speaker 8: this stuff is luck first of all, like absolutely not.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 8: Like there's the guy is whatever the Democrats and the
Speaker 8: media says about him, that's totally bs. Here here's my basic,
Speaker 8: my basic great on it. First of all, I'm the
Speaker 8: vice president's the President Trump. My loyalty is are always
Speaker 8: going to be with the President. And I think that Elon,
Speaker 8: he's an incredible entrepreneur. He's actually done I think does
Speaker 8: was really good. This sort of effort to root out
Speaker 8: waste fraud abuse in our country is really good. And
Speaker 8: and and look, man, I'm always going to be loyal
Speaker 8: to the president, and I hope that eventually Elon kind
Speaker 8: of comes back into the fold. Maybe that's not possible
Speaker 8: now because he's gone so nuclear.
Speaker 4: First of all, let's talk about material the substance there.
Speaker 4: Why would Donald Trump not be like he's one of
Speaker 4: his best friends.
Speaker 1: According to Epstein apps John Trump's one of his best friends.
Speaker 4: There's there's the image of you know, him and Epstein
Speaker 4: together or whether they're laughing. He likes him young and Trump,
Speaker 4: Miss Trump said in a GQ or whatever it was, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, And it was a statement.
Speaker 1: You could tell.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those dictated statements that he
Speaker 4: gave where he's like, Jeffrey Epstein likes him young.
Speaker 1: Thing, but he loves to have a good time.
Speaker 3: I said this yesterday. I wonder if you agree with me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think the conspiracy is about Trump.
Speaker 3: I think it's about Mozad. That's why they won't release
Speaker 3: the Epstein file. It's so obvious, you know, considering a
Speaker 3: lot of the quotes and all of that they're I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it probably doesn't make Trump look good in
Speaker 3: terms of some of the what Gilain and Epstein were
Speaker 3: both mar A Lago members, and who knows, maybe at
Speaker 3: Trump the Trump Organization or whatever I had invested with
Speaker 3: Epstein or vice versa or something like that in the
Speaker 3: past would not surprise me considering everything is out there.
Speaker 3: But I still think that's the number one reason why
Speaker 3: the vast majority of the stuff has not yet been released.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, good man.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean that's one where I'm just seeing this all
Speaker 3: like morph online. I'm like, guys, know, it's all. It's
Speaker 3: been the same the whole time.
Speaker 1: Like we've seen. The original reason.
Speaker 3: Why he wasn't released or why why he was given
Speaker 3: this sweetheart deal you know, from federal prosecutors was literally
Speaker 3: they said intelligence, that's the entire reason behind it. And
Speaker 3: now cash Pttel just basically changing his entire story on
Speaker 3: a dime. The moment that it becomes the FBI director.
Speaker 3: But don't you think I would give it to you
Speaker 3: if I had it? It's like no, actually no, do
Speaker 3: I think that the FBI would lie to me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes, about an intelligence asset? Absolutely, that's the most believable
Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before we move on, we got to do the
Speaker 4: funniest one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is This may not even translate because
Speaker 3: a lot of our audience is not nearly as online
Speaker 3: as we are.
Speaker 1: But there is a online This is how online are you?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: This is how online are you? Test?
Speaker 3: And here we have an incident where Theobon's producer has
Speaker 3: a person muted. Jad notices this and it's like, who
Speaker 3: do you have muted? And then he bursts out laughing
Speaker 3: whenever he sees Let's take a listen.
Speaker 9: This is interesting. Let's see from an account you muted.
Speaker 8: I'm curious who did you mute?
Speaker 1: Who is that guy?
Speaker 6: Is that yours?
Speaker 8: It's one of your producers, seng Oh, it's a Trump
Speaker 8: shamambitached and Jade events to replace him.
Speaker 9: Dude, that's one boat. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: If you don't know if success in life is not
Speaker 4: being online and failure is being online.
Speaker 1: Miles Chong is we have one in life. We have
Speaker 1: lost battle. I'm deep in Ian lore. I've known Ian
Speaker 1: Ian for probably is a Malaysian.
Speaker 4: If you don't know, he's a he's a Malaysian provocateur.
Speaker 1: He's a Malaysian provocateur.
Speaker 3: He does not live in the United States about the
Speaker 3: United States of America, literally constantly posting videos. One of
Speaker 3: the most proliferate Elon replied, Eyes probably makes thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars a month on Twitter off of his this new
Speaker 3: verification scheme.
Speaker 1: Definitely a major Elon fanboy.
Speaker 3: There are open questions as to whether he's ever bizen
Speaker 3: to the United States of America in the first place.
Speaker 3: I still think it's weird. I think you and I
Speaker 3: have talked about the force. They care so much about America.
Speaker 3: It'd be like if you and I were talking about
Speaker 3: Jolo all day long. You know, we'll be like, let's
Speaker 3: get yeah, okay, one MDB, let's let's go Ryan. Let's
Speaker 3: just be obsessed with Malaysia and Kuala Lampour's internal politics.
Speaker 1: It's totally nuts. He'll be like, what's this guy, what's
Speaker 1: this guy doing? Like why does he care so much?
Speaker 6: He doesn't live.
Speaker 3: You're not even from here. It's like the meme, like
Speaker 3: you don't even go here, you know.
Speaker 1: What what is happening?
Speaker 3: So very very funny moment just to show you really
Speaker 3: extremely I mean he's the first money you know, vice president,
Speaker 3: so that that is certainly what you get.
Speaker 4: The DNC has discovered YouTube. YouTube apparently has yet to
Speaker 4: discover the d n C. However, let's roll this.
Speaker 12: Hi, I'm Hannah, the deputy communications director for the Democrats.
Speaker 12: We're launching a new daily messaging program called the Blueprint.
Speaker 9: It starts today on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You should watch.
Speaker 12: We're going to talk about what's happening in Washington today,
Speaker 12: what Republicans are up to, what Democrats are doing, and
Speaker 12: how you can join the fight.
Speaker 4: So a bit of a bumpy start, we can put
Speaker 4: up E two here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we hate to view count Shane Ryan, but seven
Speaker 3: seven and twenty views, that's just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That's pathetic.
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I made a joke that that's five
Speaker 3: minutes here breaking points. But actually, you know what, I
Speaker 3: can take a look at the data right now and
Speaker 3: actually tell you whether that is.
Speaker 4: While you're looking up, yeah, while you're looking up for
Speaker 4: to data I can say that we have to wrap
Speaker 4: this by ten am because of DNC's next live starts
Speaker 4: at ten am.
Speaker 1: And how many people are in the waiting room for
Speaker 1: that currently two? Two people in the waiting room for that.
Speaker 1: Let's that's the waiting room shame either. We all know that.
Speaker 3: You know waiting rooms, you know, the metrics don't necessarily apply.
Speaker 3: That said, at the very moment that you and I
Speaker 3: are doing this, it is nine to forty five. Story
Speaker 3: starts in fifteen and that's a little low.
Speaker 1: It's a little low.
Speaker 3: And he would expect something better from a major political
Speaker 3: party in the United States.
Speaker 1: But man, would you trust me?
Speaker 3: Would you expect I just don't understand what they're trying
Speaker 3: to get out of this. And I'll tell you why,
Speaker 3: Why do you need the Democratic Party to have its
Speaker 3: own YouTube show? The R and C is not doing that.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like they're taking this whole podcast thing
Speaker 3: too seriously. Like, let me look right now, guys. Brian
Speaker 3: Tyler Cohen, a huge lib is on YouTube right now
Speaker 3: with four point four million subscribers.
Speaker 1: His last video with his last.
Speaker 3: Video with Gavin Newsom's got five hundred two thousand views.
Speaker 1: All right, let me go and check Midas Touch. These
Speaker 1: guys are huge, huge.
Speaker 3: I've seen Brian Tyler, I've seen what's his name, Newsom.
Speaker 3: He's given interviews to Might's Touching, Brian Tyler Cohen. He
Speaker 3: knows what time it is in terms of the trip deployment.
Speaker 3: I'm looking, yeah, I'm looking at this right now. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: the latest Might's Touch video was posted an hour ago
Speaker 3: already has a one thousand views on the front end, which,
Speaker 3: as people who do this professionally know, on the back end,
Speaker 3: it's probably a million.
Speaker 1: No, it's probably way more than that.
Speaker 3: If I'm looking, you know, at some of the videos
Speaker 3: that they posted yesterday, we're talking about hundreds of thousands
Speaker 3: of views.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: The interview with Gavin Usom, posted fourteen hours ago, has
Speaker 3: five hundred and forty five thousand views. They've got a
Speaker 3: video from sixteen hours ago with seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: one thousand views. I mean, these are astronomical numbers. These
Speaker 3: are these are unbelievable. They've got almost a million views
Speaker 3: on videos that they posted yesterday. And this is just
Speaker 3: video after video after video, and they nearly five million. Okay,
Speaker 3: and this is you know, to review. Shame the Democrats.
Speaker 1: I view respect.
Speaker 3: People who anybody out there, if you're clocking this, I'm
Speaker 3: paying attention, okay. And that's why I don't understand the
Speaker 3: Democrats wanting to do their own YouTube channel here.
Speaker 1: Because these guys already exist.
Speaker 3: The politicians know you don't need to quote go direct
Speaker 3: in the way that they're doing it. What the Republican
Speaker 3: Party doesn't have its own podcast, It's cringe.
Speaker 1: What do they do?
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, the note Boys want to have a
Speaker 3: uzon cool. They got ten million descriptions, you know, Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan twenty million, theovon, Tim Dillon, whatever, they know. They
Speaker 3: just spread it out busting you know, Barstool, any of
Speaker 3: these other places. That's the strategies. You go to places
Speaker 3: where they already have the audience. So it just feels
Speaker 3: very like it feels very like designed in a lab
Speaker 3: and overinterpreted of this whole podcast. You go going direct
Speaker 3: online thing Hassan is out there, might as touches out there.
Speaker 3: I don't understand just.
Speaker 1: Go do that.
Speaker 3: But I think the take is they're afraid they don't.
Speaker 3: You know, very few Republican politicians would go to a
Speaker 3: podcast where someone's going to ask them about gods of genocide.
Speaker 3: They just don't have balls, let's be honest. And I
Speaker 3: think that's the same thing here. Yes, Newsom is going
Speaker 3: on here, but other Democratic leaders have not yet really
Speaker 3: embraced what's happening in the online sphere. It's out there
Speaker 3: if you want to take it.
Speaker 4: And you know what's interesting is you know who else
Speaker 4: made the same mistake was Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, helain what you mean?
Speaker 4: He went out and you can talk to brianjoy Gray
Speaker 4: about this, who was his national spokespart some for that campaign.
Speaker 4: They went out and they started their own podcast, they
Speaker 4: started their own like shows I do vaguely remember, and
Speaker 4: he wanted to create this kind of Bernie media. He
Speaker 4: was coming at it from a different direction. He wasn't
Speaker 4: afraid that he was going to get you know questions.
Speaker 4: Well this was pre October seventh. But he didn't trust
Speaker 4: the mainstream media because he thinks their corporate chills and
Speaker 4: he hates them, and he for thirty forty years has
Speaker 4: always kind of saw himself as both messenger slash journalist
Speaker 4: and politician. Back in the nineteen seventies, he like the
Speaker 4: thing he dedicated himself to was making a Eugene Debs documentary,
Speaker 4: and when he was mayor, he would go around doing
Speaker 4: these like in person interviews with people in the Burlington
Speaker 4: Mall and then post them on like public access television
Speaker 4: like this. He's always wanted to kind of cut the
Speaker 4: media out. Yet where he really got his traction was
Speaker 4: because the actual media understood how much riz he had,
Speaker 4: how much how he drove ratings, and he was able
Speaker 4: to then co opt that to get to get his
Speaker 4: message out. And if you look at kind of the
Speaker 4: return on the investment and trying to create this Bernie media.
Speaker 1: Sphere, it's toll flop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you, it's really very difficult to just generate that.
Speaker 4: And also even Bernie supporters don't want that, Like they
Speaker 4: want their guy out there or on other podcasts, in
Speaker 4: other media so that they can see that the message
Speaker 4: is getting to everybody. And so certainly you're not. You
Speaker 4: don't have you have a lot more people that loved
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders than love the DNC.
Speaker 3: It's also more interesting you see Bernie on Fox, or
Speaker 3: Bernie on Exactly, or Bernie on any of these I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it's more you know, you actually get more
Speaker 3: out of it, to see them in different environments. That's
Speaker 3: broadly how these politicians succeed. That's actually what real talent
Speaker 3: is is the ability to go in an unfamiliar environment
Speaker 3: and just broadly handle yourself like fine, you know. And
Speaker 3: so anyway, I think it's a huge mistake, and broadly
Speaker 3: it just shows you what a mess DNC is.
Speaker 1: Right now, this is my.
Speaker 3: First now four way, Okay, so they've doubled their huge, huge,
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the next one here. I
Speaker 3: need you to explain this to me. Quote leaked audio
Speaker 3: reveals DNC chair is in despair over dem civil war.
Speaker 3: Quote no one knows who I am. And he says you,
Speaker 3: essentially he told this to David Hog. You essentially destroyed
Speaker 3: any chance I have to show leadership that I need to.
Speaker 1: It's really frustrating.
Speaker 3: And he is now saying whether he's also questioning whether
Speaker 3: he should quit his job or not. This is the
Speaker 3: brand new d n C chair. So why is he
Speaker 3: so mad at David Hog over this? Because of the
Speaker 3: threat which he didn't you walk back his threat to
Speaker 3: primary sitting Democrats.
Speaker 4: Booting him out right, So what happened basically is that
Speaker 4: David Hogg who rose to prominence from Parkland March for
Speaker 4: Our Lives and became kind of an avatar for this
Speaker 4: young people's movement against gun violence.
Speaker 1: He's also developed some.
Speaker 4: Politics that are bit oppositional to the party, and maybe
Speaker 4: that's just from seeing the party up close for so
Speaker 4: long and he kind of recoiled at it.
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of interesting when he.
Speaker 4: Got elected to the DNC, because if you don't follow
Speaker 4: it close, you're like, Oh, the guy's probably just a
Speaker 4: puppet d NC. If you follow it closer, you're like,
Speaker 4: actually has his own ideas. Interesting that he got in there.
Speaker 4: One of the first ideas he kind of rolls out
Speaker 4: and he says, I'm basically going to do this super
Speaker 4: pack with tens of millions of dollars that is going
Speaker 4: to support candidates who are taking on bad incumbent Democrats.
Speaker 1: And it's just a record scratch.
Speaker 4: Inside the DNC offices, They're like, excuse me, you're going
Speaker 4: to do what the dn You're a DNC vice chair
Speaker 4: and you're going to be weighing in on in primaries
Speaker 4: against the incumbent democrat. We're not do we no, no,
Speaker 4: we're not doing that. We're if we get into a
Speaker 4: primary at all, it's going to be to defend the
Speaker 4: incombat incumbent democrat against the challengers against the insurgent challengers.
Speaker 4: And so then they basically push them out of the
Speaker 4: d n C. They moved to push him out of
Speaker 4: the DNC because they say, you can't do both things
Speaker 4: at once, and if you were going to do both
Speaker 4: things at once, it would be just a completely different DNC.
Speaker 4: And then maybe that kind of revolutionary DNC actually can
Speaker 4: challenge Trump, but that's not the one that they want.
Speaker 4: So from Ken Martin's perspective, he's the functionary brought in
Speaker 4: from Minnesota, ran the Minnesota Party.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, f this man, this stucks.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, he had some you know, ideas for
Speaker 4: some things he was going to do better, but now
Speaker 4: the whole focus is on this this Hog situation. So
Speaker 4: that's that's the frustration that you're that you're seeing from
Speaker 4: him there.
Speaker 1: He's like, what am I supposed to do now? Now?
Speaker 4: Like he's in his defense, he's in this no win situation. Well,
Speaker 4: the only way he wins is he goes all in
Speaker 4: with Hog. He's like, yeah, we are actually throwing.
Speaker 3: Which would never fly, which is the DNC you.
Speaker 1: W wow crazy and.
Speaker 4: So then Hog, I think it was Holly Hotter Bean,
Speaker 4: but it was a Holly. People are like, oh, and now, Hog,
Speaker 4: you're leaking.
Speaker 1: D n C audio.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I did not leak this, And to
Speaker 4: prove it, he posts screenshots with I think Holly Otter
Speaker 4: being in Politico of her reaching out to ask for
Speaker 4: comment on this audio wow, to say like, look, I
Speaker 4: didn't leak it.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, Yeah, that's right, that's true.
Speaker 4: So people are like, oh, so you're you would leak
Speaker 4: some text messes to prove you didn't leak audio.
Speaker 3: What a mess, man, Just a total complete mess. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's put the next thing up here. These are just
Speaker 3: hilarious fails that can't help but highlight.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is more recently Congressman Sarah Jacobs. She tweeted, these
Speaker 3: immigration raids don't define us our response to them does.
Speaker 3: I am proud to have dinner at Buana Forteta to
Speaker 3: show my support to them as they deal with the
Speaker 3: fallout of the raids where agents threw up flash bringing
Speaker 3: not hard armed criminals. We will continue to stand with
Speaker 3: our immigrant communities. So she dined nicely at a Los
Speaker 3: Angeles restaurant, Ryan, in order to support them in this
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 4: A Neapolitan pizza place. She put up an image of it.
Speaker 4: It looks incredible, Okay, absolutely looks.
Speaker 3: Best neopolitan pizza is where can you guess? And it's
Speaker 3: not a haven? It right there, Tokyo, Japan.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm team Sarah Jacobs. I will i'll e for
Speaker 4: any call.
Speaker 1: Come on, all right?
Speaker 3: And then finally, I have not yet gotten to react
Speaker 3: to Taco, so please put this up there on the screen.
Speaker 3: Eric Squalwell, Eric Swalwell, this meme is everywhere. This is
Speaker 3: Trump tripping on Air Force one straight since be kind
Speaker 3: to each other, making fun of an almost eight year
Speaker 3: old failing in the stairs has no place in our politics,
Speaker 3: and says Taco fell. So I was not aware of
Speaker 3: the Taco moniker. That is new from the Democrats.
Speaker 9: What is it?
Speaker 3: Trump always out Wall Street? So Trump always chickens out.
Speaker 3: This is one where the Democrats have decided to brand
Speaker 3: Trump Taco for negotiating with Well, yes, Chuck Schumer said,
Speaker 3: it isn't that your origin of it?
Speaker 4: No, No, the part that you missed. Yeah, Wall Street
Speaker 4: traders love doing these acronyms. Yeah, and so the acronym
Speaker 4: that they came up with too, that's basically where you're
Speaker 4: going long on the market despite Trump saying he's going
Speaker 4: to keep his tariffs in place. Is they call they
Speaker 4: called it a taco trade because it's Trump stands for
Speaker 4: Trump always chickens out. So if you bet your actual
Speaker 4: money long on Trump, you bet on Trump chickening out,
Speaker 4: your BET's going to come in.
Speaker 9: And then a.
Speaker 1: Reporter the taco trade. I like it.
Speaker 4: A reporter then asked Trump, you know about this Wall
Speaker 4: Street trade called the taco trade?
Speaker 1: And he's like, they said, what, I'm no chicken? How
Speaker 1: dare you? Like Marty may Fly?
Speaker 4: How dare you? And then the market tanked because they're like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: Mark Fly is gonna now He's gonna stick with his
Speaker 4: tariffs for longer.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then uh, Chuck Schumer used it to try to
Speaker 4: get to call him a chicken for not bombing Iran. Okay,
Speaker 4: says he's tough, but taco Trump will on't even bomb.
Speaker 1: Trump will not bomb Iran.
Speaker 3: It's like, wait, I want the taco then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same on the tariffs variety. Yeah, let's let's.
Speaker 4: Take let's not bomb three different places at the same price.
Speaker 1: Keep tacoing. Yeah, nobody telling them about taco if that's
Speaker 1: what you want. So yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, so it did become a demn thing, but
Speaker 4: it started with.
Speaker 3: Well we've got now, we've got the heroic d n
Speaker 3: C and on YouTube we have representative Sarah Jacobs and uh,
Speaker 3: it was incredible on.
Speaker 1: The d n C chair issues.
Speaker 3: She's really good, interesting, really interesting. Why do you think
Speaker 3: that is? Uh, Congressman Young District, what is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like some of it feels like very authentic.
Speaker 4: She's like she's really she really goes out there and
Speaker 4: is one of the most outspoken Jewish Democrats on Gaza.
Speaker 3: All right, maybe we'll cut her back, maybe we'll cut
Speaker 3: her break there right on the piece of Look, speaking
Speaker 3: of Israel, why don't we get to it.
Speaker 4: The BBC announced yesterday that it is indefinitely putting on
Speaker 4: hold a documentary fifteen months in the making called Gaza
Speaker 4: Medics under Fire Now. While the BBC sits on its investigation,
Speaker 4: Medics and Gaza continue to be targeted. In the past
Speaker 4: twenty five days, Israeli forces have killed forty four healthcare workers,
Speaker 4: including three yesterday.
Speaker 1: According to Healthcare Workers Watch.
Speaker 4: The medics Hussein Mohesen, Wayal al Altar, and Barra Afana,
Speaker 4: who was just eighteen years old, were responding to an
Speaker 4: Israeli airstrike that left civilians crushed under rubble, and whose father,
Speaker 4: also a paramedic, was on the scene where he was
Speaker 4: killed but was unable to get to his son because
Speaker 4: of the relentless bombing. Now chances are you've seen footage
Speaker 4: of Mohesan before rescuing children from underneath rubble. About a
Speaker 4: month ago, footage of a little girl running through flames
Speaker 4: went viral around the world world. Hussein was the one
Speaker 4: who rescued her, and he was featured in a New
Speaker 4: York Times report about the attack, which killed at least
Speaker 4: thirty civilians at a shelter, including five of the girl's
Speaker 4: siblings and her mother. Hussain described how the girl was
Speaker 4: stuck behind an impossibly hot door and they were able
Speaker 4: to get people nearby to dump water on her while
Speaker 4: they worked on opening that door. He rescued another girl
Speaker 4: from that fire that night. Early in the war, he
Speaker 4: was featured from behind in a photograph that became famous.
Speaker 4: In the last message he sent to colleagues, he told them, quote,
Speaker 4: the army is hitting near me. I don't think I
Speaker 4: have much time left. A journalist, MoMA and Abu wil Auof,
Speaker 4: was with the paramedics and was also killed in the strike.
Speaker 4: Instead of apologizing for the killing of three medics and
Speaker 4: a journalist, the IDF has vowed to kill the spokesperson
Speaker 4: for the Gaza Civil Defense, the agency responsible for rescuing
Speaker 4: people from rubble, saying that he is a Hamas terrorist
Speaker 4: whose crime is to make quote all statements to the
Speaker 4: international media unquote. They are literally promising to bomb the messenger.
Speaker 4: What's strange about their anger at the Civil Defense spokesperson,
Speaker 4: who has condemned Israel's attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure
Speaker 4: is that Israel does not hide its intentions. He's not
Speaker 4: saying anything they don't say themselves. Last month, Bezilel Smotrich
Speaker 4: said publicly, quote, the IDF is finally conducting a campaign
Speaker 4: against the civilian rule of Hamas. We are eliminating ministers, officials,
Speaker 4: money handlers, and elements of the economic and governmental system.
Speaker 4: They are indeed doing exactly that. The goal is to
Speaker 4: eliminate any civilian authority in Gaza and replace it with
Speaker 4: Israeli armed and funded gangs.
Speaker 1: As NETNAHUO acknowledged just.
Speaker 4: The other day, Israel isn't limiting its attacks on civilian
Speaker 4: infrastructure to Gaza. Israel yesterday ordered the evacuation of three
Speaker 4: ports in Yemen, threatening strikes. Donald Trump meanwhile, was asked
Speaker 4: about ongoing ceasefire and to gotiations and said that Iran
Speaker 4: is now involved.
Speaker 7: You mentioned now the flotilla. Do you have a response
Speaker 7: at all about Israel intercepting this boat and can you
Speaker 7: give us an update on what's happening to the entry
Speaker 7: of aid into Gaza right now? We've had people being
Speaker 7: shot by Israeli forces who are trying to get on
Speaker 7: the humanitarian formation.
Speaker 11: Yes, Ghaza right now is in the midst of a
Speaker 11: massive negotiation between US and Hamas and Israel, and Iran
Speaker 11: actually has involved, and we'll see what's going to happen
Speaker 11: with Gaza. We want to get the hostages back. So
Speaker 11: I can tell you.
Speaker 4: The Iranians, for their part, said yesterday they had obtained
Speaker 4: intelligence as to the precise locations of sensitive Israeli nuclear
Speaker 4: sites and would strike them with ballistic missiles if Israel
Speaker 4: launched an attack on Iran. So those negotiations are ongoing.
Speaker 4: On Sunday, Saga, there was a hours long Camp David
Speaker 4: meeting that Trump held with Witkoff, Tulci, Gabbard, CIA director Radcliffe,
Speaker 4: a number of other generals and top military officials where
Speaker 4: they talked for a very long time about their strategy
Speaker 4: of linking negotiations with.
Speaker 1: Iran to a ceasefire in Gaza. And so.
Speaker 4: Those talks continue and we'll see in the coming days,
Speaker 4: you know, whether whether or not he's able to make
Speaker 4: a breakthrough people. People are saying that you know, this
Speaker 4: is the moment like and if if this moment is lost,
Speaker 4: then you very well could be looking at endless war
Speaker 4: and occupation in Gaza and and in war with Iran,
Speaker 4: which because they now have this if you believe them,
Speaker 4: and that's it's a credible claim that they now have
Speaker 4: this intelligence about Israeli nuclear sites.
Speaker 1: Will not be a cost free strike on Iran.
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, but I mean within the talks, Ryan, and
Speaker 3: you're looking at the camp what happened in Camp David,
Speaker 3: and then these are Richmond claims.
Speaker 1: There's blust.
Speaker 3: Sure, the Iranians are denying it. Do you think things
Speaker 3: are still moving in a more positive direction or.
Speaker 1: Not, they're still moving.
Speaker 4: You had this fascinating comment from Trump where he said
Speaker 4: the Iranians there tough negotiatings, almost too tough.
Speaker 1: But they're good. They're very good. They're very tough.
Speaker 4: And he loves tough guys, Yes he does, and so
Speaker 4: those are continuing.
Speaker 1: He loves wit Cough.
Speaker 4: He's still publicly saying that his red line is no enrichment,
Speaker 4: but privately the talks are allowing would allow.
Speaker 1: Enrichment, so as long as they can.
Speaker 4: And also that perhaps today the Iranian response is expected,
Speaker 4: which is supposed to be harsh no but soft y
Speaker 4: s Yeah, right, no, but here's here's what we would do.
Speaker 1: I'm still relatively hopeful.
Speaker 3: The only thing that I think people need to be
Speaker 3: on alert for, as you know, is if the details
Speaker 3: of this come out and there is like enrichment, the
Speaker 3: the the Neocon campaign against this will be an Alzheimer.
Speaker 1: It will be one of the most titanic.
Speaker 3: Battles that we have seen yet because they are so
Speaker 3: activated already over Gaza, Iran is their next stop. They've
Speaker 3: character assassinated everything they can against wit Cough More recently,
Speaker 3: did you see this whole bruhaha, between Tucker Carlson and
Speaker 3: Mark Levin. Mark Levin apparently at the White House advocating
Speaker 3: for war with iron every possible avenue that they have
Speaker 3: to convince Trump to abandon.
Speaker 1: This is currently happening, and so.
Speaker 3: I'm cautiously optimistic, but I would not be surprised if
Speaker 3: they're able to kill it. The amount of political machinery
Speaker 3: that they have at their disposal is just completely immense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we may get war.
Speaker 3: Still, We'll see, all right, Thank you so much, Ryan,
Speaker 3: great to be with you, my friend. As always, thank
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