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Speaker 4: Peter Thiel's tech company Palenteer is becoming an increasing part

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Speaker 4: of our politics.

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Speaker 1: We can put up b one here.

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Speaker 4: Laura Lomer, friend of the show here, has been met

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Speaker 4: with Jabe Vance in the uh I guess the White

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Speaker 4: House Complex last week last Tuesday, and now is saying

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Speaker 4: it's time to deplore the time to deploy uh Palenteer

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Speaker 4: tech to Los Angeles to deal with the illegals. You

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Speaker 4: know you'd love to see it. You're lying if you

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Speaker 4: say you want, wouldn't, which raise a lot of speculation

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Speaker 4: about how central Palenteer is becoming to this administration's plans

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Speaker 4: UH coming on the heels of this UH contract that

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Speaker 4: volunteer is getting SAGA in order to kind of basically

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Speaker 4: pull together information from across different agencies Social Security, I,

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Speaker 4: R S, DHS, making it all searchable in one place,

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Speaker 4: presumably also then able to combine it with all of

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Speaker 4: the private data that Pollenteer has been able to collect,

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Speaker 4: which is the which is the big problem. It has

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Speaker 4: broken through to the kind of public podcast space, which

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Speaker 4: is kind of one way you can gauge whether or

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Speaker 4: not an issue is kind of resonating beyond just us

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Speaker 4: chirping heads here inside the Beltway. Tim Dillon spoke about

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Speaker 4: this recently, as did THEO Vaughn when he had Jade

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Speaker 4: Vance on.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Tim Dillon here.

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Speaker 5: You have not one reservation about what's going on over there.

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying, I'm not saying you have to feel

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Speaker 5: one way or another way. But if you don't have

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Speaker 5: any reserve, if you have no reservations about what's happening

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Speaker 5: with all these kids getting killed, if I don't know,

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Speaker 5: I can't trust you. If you don't have any reservations

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Speaker 5: about Palenteer taking everyone's information.

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Speaker 6: I I don't know. I can't. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: I can trust to you, I don't. I think they're

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Speaker 6: buying people left and right. This is my gas. They

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Speaker 6: tried it by me, my pussy couss.

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Speaker 1: A lot of money.

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Speaker 5: I get invited to these dinners, I don't go. I've

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Speaker 5: been invited to Teale's house multiple times for dinner.

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Speaker 6: I don't go. It's no shade at them or whatever.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: The reason I don't go is I know I remember

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Speaker 5: one dinner the like we'd like to discuss the media.

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Speaker 5: I go, what, No, thanks. But I've been to some

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Speaker 5: of these places. I've sat in these houses in Austin

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Speaker 5: and cheerlead for and say, well, it's actually a great idea,

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Speaker 5: and there's probably a lot of money in it. There's

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Speaker 5: probably a lot of money, and I just can't do it.

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Speaker 5: So my prediction, and I'm not I don't want to

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Speaker 5: you're gonna see a lot of people over the next

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Speaker 5: six months start thinking this lists a great idea, they're

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Speaker 5: gonna start telling you how great this is and how

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Speaker 5: it's about terrorism.

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Speaker 6: That's the way that'll talk.

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Speaker 5: Go Well, it's a terrrit Have you heard it's terrorism

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Speaker 5: going on?

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As as I said, he is the George Carlin of

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Speaker 3: our time, I do actually think we should spend some

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Speaker 3: it while it was out. What exactly so there's a

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Speaker 3: contract between the Trump administration Palenteer. Yeah, basically it's to

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Speaker 3: use the Pollenteer like connective software.

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Speaker 1: Boundary the foundry.

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Speaker 4: To Tim Dillon said, it sounds like you're getting like,

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Speaker 4: you know, some like like.

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Speaker 1: Like fair trade coffee.

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Speaker 3: That's true, actually does that as a fair trade coffee fanatic,

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Speaker 3: That definitely is something that it does.

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Speaker 1: It is like some new age coffee shop in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: But it's actually an opticon omni coon opticon.

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Speaker 3: So the question here is like what so is the

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Speaker 3: what is the purpose of the quote unquote Pollunteer database.

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Speaker 3: It's just to compile all of this data and make

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Speaker 3: it more searchable for law enforcement authorities. Like what is

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Speaker 3: even the ostensible like justification by the investry. That was

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Speaker 4: We could play a little bit of him on THEO

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Speaker 4: Vaughn who pressed him on it. Jd Vance's argument was, Look,

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Speaker 4: the government already has all this data on you. In fact,

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Speaker 4: government created some of it. They made your they made

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Speaker 4: your solid security number, the government. You pay your taxes

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Speaker 4: to the government. Critically, what's really driving it is an

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Speaker 4: effort to connect I think criminal records, uh, tax records,

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Speaker 4: they really want to do is figure out people who

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Speaker 4: are here illegally but filing taxes and figure out who

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Speaker 4: they are and then go and deport them.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, that like drains, the are this golden goose. Like

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Speaker 4: the way that this two tier you know, society that

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Speaker 4: we have going operates is that people who are here

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Speaker 4: illegally in general pay taxes, but because they're here illegally,

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Speaker 4: they can't get benefits. It flips the whole thing, It

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Speaker 4: flips the whole thing on its head, that they're here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you ever been to an er room?

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Speaker 3: How many but what percent of a er in Los

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Speaker 4: I'm very little because because they can get it because

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Speaker 4: they can get medicaid there.

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Speaker 1: They can get medicaid there. My point is is that

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Speaker 1: is look, the idea that they're not.

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Speaker 3: Consuming any tax prayer resource is insane, Like that's this

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I think more importantly, it's just wrong

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Speaker 1: Okay, sure, yeah, but it needs so it's two ways

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Speaker 4: That's basically it seems like what's going on here. They're

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Speaker 4: trying to just connect. They're trying to connect everything and

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Speaker 4: make it immediately searchable. But so THEO Vonn pressed Jadi

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Speaker 4: Vance about what what does JD Vance owe Peter tele

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Speaker 4: because of all of the money that Peter Teele invested

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Speaker 3: On the present president I don't remember, doesn't matter. I

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Speaker 3: think he did end up donating to the Trump not

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Speaker 3: as much as he And so let's roll a little

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Speaker 8: It costs a lot of money to run for office,

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Speaker 8: and you got to go and raise money. Yeah, but

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Speaker 8: I think that if your attitude is I owe something

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Speaker 8: take the attitude of their supporting me because they agree

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Speaker 8: with me, and obviously, like you have conversations with him,

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Speaker 8: Like you mentioned Peter Til, I see a lot of

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Speaker 8: crazy stuff on the internet about Peter Tile. Like, you know,

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Speaker 8: he's always been a friend of mine. He's always been

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Speaker 8: one of the smartest people I've ever met. Just a

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Speaker 8: very thoughtful dude. But he's literally never asked me once

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Speaker 8: for anything. So he just believed in you. He believed

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Speaker 8: I mean, he definitely has like said, hey, I don't

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Speaker 8: agree with you on this, but he's never said I

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Speaker 8: don't agree with you on this, therefore you should vote differently,

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Speaker 4: And so in that same interview, he also THEO Von's

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Speaker 4: like this, this is kind of gross, this whole database thing,

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Speaker 4: and the way that JD kind of plays it off

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Speaker 4: is all we're doing is connecting data that we already have,

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Speaker 4: and that the bigger problem is the private corporate collection

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Speaker 4: of data. What THEOVAN could have responded with is then

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think what the major objection you're on

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Speaker 3: it makes it easier to deportay. But when you have

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Speaker 3: And yes, just because the government has it and it's decentralized,

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Speaker 3: Know leftists will say this, but you know who, you know,

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Speaker 3: want to know who the most prominent like policy area

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Speaker 3: But you know, this is similar I think also to

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Speaker 1: Know, like, well, a lot of rich people support.

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Speaker 3: Me, you know, so it's any one of them could

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Speaker 1: I would say it's more of a systemic thing.

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Speaker 3: But I do think it is ridiculous, you know, the

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Speaker 3: idea that they don't necessarily want something. In Teal's particular case,

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Speaker 3: deal is like, I mean, it is an interesting story

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Speaker 3: if you go you know, the JD.

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Speaker 1: Van's origin stories.

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Speaker 3: Literally is like a law student at Yale University meets

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Speaker 3: Peter Teel after a lecture. Peter's like, hey, he's a

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Speaker 4: So great foresight on the part of our lawmakers and

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Speaker 4: our defense policy makers. So they ear mark, you know,

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Speaker 4: tens of millions of dollar thirty million, I think it

441
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Speaker 4: was for this factory. And it was a Washington state

442
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Speaker 4: that's going to reopen a mine where there's some samarium.

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Speaker 4: And then it's going to refine it. For a variety

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Speaker 4: of reasons, it's cheaper for them to continue getting it

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Speaker 4: from China, but they buy, they buy a bunch of

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Speaker 4: the equipment that is going to allow them to create

447
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Speaker 4: the you know, to transform the rare earths into the

448
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Speaker 4: type of magnets that are needed for this high end

449
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Speaker 4: military technology because they're extraordinarily heat resistant. As they're getting

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Speaker 4: closer to doing that, the Biden administration then also cuts

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Speaker 4: a contract with the giant company in Texas that's going

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Speaker 4: to do the same thing. At the same time, China

453
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Speaker 4: is still selling samarium to Lockheed Martin and these other

454
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Speaker 4: customers at much cheaper prices then the US can do

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Speaker 4: it because the US doesn't have its industry up yet.

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Speaker 4: And the one in Washington State looks at the one

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Speaker 4: in Texas and it's like, well, we can't compete. There

458
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Speaker 4: aren't enough buyers for two of these companies, and it

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Speaker 4: looks like Biden's in with the Texas one, so they

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Speaker 4: shut down, basically bankrupt, and then the Texas one never

461
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Speaker 4: gets off the ground either. So two thousand and nine

462
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Speaker 4: to the day, we still don't have this the production capacity.

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Speaker 4: If you're China, how about just don't give us any

464
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Speaker 4: maggots and just declare world peace like we're like, we're done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So one of the most depressing stories that I

466
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Speaker 3: heard are sorry read while I was gone was this

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Speaker 3: story about how the Chinese managed their industrial policy.

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Speaker 1: And it would be like if we had every you know,

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Speaker 1: only have all these buildings in DC full of all

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Speaker 1: these bureaucrats.

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Speaker 3: Imagine if they actually were the best in the brightest

472
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Speaker 3: from across the entire universal system in the crypto and finance,

473
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Speaker 3: and these people are like the best in the brightest

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Speaker 3: in China. Deep list PhD level economists, experts who are

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Speaker 3: sitting there managing and green lighting each proude off the ground,

476
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Speaker 3: evaluating its ability for success going out into the private sector,

477
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Speaker 3: finding the manager who will be the public private partner.

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Speaker 3: They have total dictatorship control over their whole country, so

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Speaker 3: they choose the most optimal land.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to deal with some they'll do for them,

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Speaker 1: make them complete.

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Speaker 3: They come in and they're like, Okay, we're going to

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Speaker 3: do it here and we're going to make sure this

484
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Speaker 3: is built for this is this, And you would be

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Speaker 3: shocked to learn that that's actually extremely effective.

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Speaker 1: So I just want people.

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I'm not saying I support that system,

488
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Speaker 3: but it works, and it works pretty well.

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Speaker 4: The abundance crowd would point out that some of the

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Speaker 4: manufacturing of this is extremely polluting. Oh and China, China

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Speaker 4: put it in a place that's like way out in

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Speaker 4: the middle.

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Speaker 1: Of Noble that is empirically true and just, and they just.

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Speaker 4: Ran over any opposition to all of the pollution that

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Speaker 4: it was creating, whereas in the US, people in Washington

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Speaker 4: State are like, this sounds pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we need an environmental impact stove. Yes, whatever, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 3: I get it. We live in a federalist you know,

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Speaker 3: we live in a federalist republic.

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Speaker 1: Wit to have states rights, and it has worked pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know.

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Speaker 3: We're still we are running up against a system which

503
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Speaker 3: is very intelligently designed and which exponentially continues to find

504
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Speaker 3: this ability to basically have like arbitrage opportunities against the

505
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Speaker 3: US economy and slowly is either competing and or trying

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Speaker 3: to replace it at a broad level. I also want

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Speaker 3: to put C three up here because also, unlike in China,

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Speaker 3: we live in a democracy, and guess what, you know,

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Speaker 3: things are still pretty shaky right now.

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Speaker 1: It's from the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 3: The US economy is headed towards a very uncomfortable summer.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: Companies are freezing, hiring, an investment to deal with shifting

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Speaker 3: tariff policies.

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Speaker 1: Even Trump doesn't know what he's going to do next.

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Speaker 3: This is actually, arguably, in my opinion, the most important

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Speaker 3: part of tariffs is basically a freezing of across the

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Speaker 3: entire US economy, and people just have no idea what

519
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Speaker 3: to do, and so they're hoarding cash. You have millions

520
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Speaker 3: of companies across the US which basically are just not hiring,

521
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Speaker 3: not really doing anything big. They just want to sit

522
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Speaker 3: around and wait to see what the macro policy is.

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Speaker 3: And with that, you're seeing what we saw in the

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Speaker 3: initial jobs report.

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Speaker 1: With the labor market.

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Speaker 3: There's been a basically a hiring freeze that we've seen.

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Speaker 3: You are watching some of the consumer pushback that could

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Speaker 3: happen with reduced consumption if we do even a ten

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Speaker 3: percent price increase. Actually, by the way, with eggs, I

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Speaker 3: was just looking yesterday, it's been a huge issue because

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Speaker 3: of bird flu. It doesn't look like eggs are coming

532
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Speaker 3: down anytime soon. In the next year or so. Just

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Speaker 3: as a result of some of the flock shortages. And

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Speaker 3: then you've also got the financial market basic continued massive

535
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Speaker 3: shocks that are up and down, So basically across the system,

536
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Speaker 3: there's just a tremendous amount of uncertainty. Things could happen

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Speaker 3: at any moment. I know, the steel tariffs went into effect.

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Speaker 3: We went up to fifty percent, right, you know, while

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Speaker 3: I was gone. That takes a while to show up.

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Speaker 3: Building materials from Canada, things from China, and all of

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Speaker 3: that shortage. You may not see it the way you

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Speaker 3: imminently would have with the one hundred whatever percent China tariffs,

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Speaker 3: but they may begin to show up. So we don't

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Speaker 3: know quite yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the market and the media seemed to have

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Speaker 4: moved on because of Taco Trump, like they think that

547
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Speaker 4: Trump is going to chicken out, and this it's what

548
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Speaker 4: they have priced in, is him chickening out and he

549
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Speaker 4: will eventually unravel this trade war, and they probably will.

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Speaker 4: They're probably not wrong about that in the long term.

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Speaker 4: In the short term, people are getting destroyed every single

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Speaker 4: day with even with these twenty percent tariffs. If you

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Speaker 4: got a million dollar order coming in, that's a lot

554
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Speaker 4: of money you owe two hundred grand on that That

555
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Speaker 4: was your your margin on that entire project, that this

556
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Speaker 4: million dollars of supplies coming in was maybe you know,

557
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Speaker 4: five to ten percent. Maybe let's say it was twenty percent.

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Speaker 4: Nice little margin you had there. It had to be

559
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Speaker 4: well above twenty percent for you not to be insolvent

560
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Speaker 4: based on just twenty percent tariffs, especially because you couldn't

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Speaker 4: price that in ahead of time. So yeah, while while

562
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Speaker 4: Trump you know, takes his time getting to his final taco,

563
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Speaker 4: people are just you know, crashing and burning.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, we certainly will see, let's get to

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Speaker 1: the ovon.

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Speaker 3: And so there were two interesting moments the Gaza want

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Speaker 3: you want to set this up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so there was you know, Theovonne went viral

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Speaker 4: a few weeks ago, uh, you know, getting to kind

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Speaker 4: of tears talking about the genociding in Gaza. Uh, And

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Speaker 4: he's like, guys that we just we just cannot not

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Speaker 4: talk about the fact that this is being done on

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Speaker 4: a daily basis with our tax dollars and with weapons

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Speaker 4: that that we're buying.

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Speaker 1: This is an unconscionable thing to be happening.

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Speaker 4: So when Jade Vance it was announced that he was

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Speaker 4: going to appear on the Ovon's podcast. There were quite since,

579
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Speaker 4: like is the obon gonna press him on this, let's see,

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Speaker 4: And he did, and so we can watch a little

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Speaker 4: of that exchange.

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Speaker 10: It's the sickest thing I think it's ever been televised. Basically,

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Speaker 10: if you consider watching something on your phone very sad.

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Speaker 10: It's a mass It feels like a massacre, and it

585
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Speaker 10: feels like, you know, I've called it a genocide. Other

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Speaker 10: people have different thoughts about it, and that's fine, right,

587
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Speaker 10: and I don't need anybody to share.

588
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Speaker 9: The same thoughts or YouTube.

589
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Speaker 10: But I think where it gets scary is that we give,

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Speaker 10: you know, we're complicit in it because we help fund

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Speaker 10: like military stuff, you know. And that's where it's like

592
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Speaker 10: a regular guy, you're like, well, I'm paying these taxes

593
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Speaker 10: and they're going towards this, Like but you can't do anything,

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Speaker 10: you know, Like you can, you can, you can talk,

595
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Speaker 10: you know, but it's like you can't. I don't understand

596
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Speaker 10: how it becomes like tough for people, Like sometimes it

597
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Speaker 10: feels like we look out for the interests of Israel

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Speaker 10: before we look out for the interests of America.

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Speaker 9: So let me say a couple of things.

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Speaker 8: So so number one, like, I think you're a great dude,

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Speaker 8: so would almost have to agree on everything.

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Speaker 9: Do I think it's Do I think it's a genocide?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 8: And here's here's the reason why I don't think it's

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Speaker 8: a genocide because I don't think that the Israelis are

606
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Speaker 8: purposely trying to go in and murder every palaicity.

607
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Speaker 9: I don't think that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 8: I think they got hit hard, and I think they're

609
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Speaker 8: they're they're trying to like, you know, sort of destroy

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Speaker 8: this terrorist organization and war as hell, and and that

611
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Speaker 8: is true. I also think it's true.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I've seen people on my side of the

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Speaker 8: political islbum or Republican you know that, but your audience

615
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Speaker 8: may not. Who like we'll see these videos of these

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Speaker 8: innocent Palestinian kids and say, oh, well they had it.

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Speaker 9: Coming to them. No, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 8: Like if if you have a soul, your heart should

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Speaker 8: break when you see a little kid who's suffering. Which

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Speaker 8: is why we have the policy that we have, which

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Speaker 8: is we're trying to stop eliminate the conflict, eliminate the

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Speaker 8: source of the conflict so that we can actually bring

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Speaker 8: some peace and some some humanitarian assistance into people, and

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Speaker 8: that's that's that's my basic view.

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Speaker 4: So after that saga, he's theovonn comes back with something

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Speaker 4: that might even be more damaging to kind of both

627
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Speaker 4: parties long term, but also the Republicans, where he says

628
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Speaker 4: THEO I was like, I don't know, man, it just

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Speaker 4: seems like sometimes we care more about what's happening in

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Speaker 4: Israel than we do what's happening here in.

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Speaker 1: The United States.

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Speaker 4: Empirically true, and Jade Vance says, you know, basically says

633
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Speaker 4: Trump is trying to end the conflict.

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Speaker 3: Which is a popular message and actually interesting and not

635
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Speaker 3: necessarily one that we would have seen under.

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Speaker 4: Working tireless administrations were working tired, working tirelessly.

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Speaker 1: It is funny.

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of leftists very upset about this,

639
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Speaker 3: and I was like, is there a single Democratic politician

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Speaker 3: other than AOC or Rashida has AOC ever said the

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Speaker 3: word genocide? I actually don't know, yes, Okay, earlier on

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Speaker 3: how many are we talking about? Four?

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Speaker 1: Four elected Democrats?

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Speaker 3: So any person with national ambitions who would have been

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Speaker 3: asked that question from the Democratic in fact, I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you ask Richie Torres, you would probably get an

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Speaker 3: even more warlike thank.

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Speaker 1: God from something U. He's the kind of person that's

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Speaker 1: attacking Trump for even he.

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Speaker 3: Would say you're an anti semi yeah, he'd be like,

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Speaker 3: you are antisemitic for saying the word genocide. So progress,

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Speaker 3: you know, maybe, I mean, like I said, it's funny

653
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Speaker 3: everybody focuses on the Peter Thial thing or whatever. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I think Israel is probably the issue most where you

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Speaker 3: see a lock up of discussion on this issue, and

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Speaker 3: that is one where Yeah, when I saw that answer, like,

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Speaker 3: it's sad, you know to see. But also do I

658
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Speaker 3: expect literally anything else from Donald Trump? Miriam Adelson freedom

659
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Speaker 3: giver vice President, I'm like, well, that's politics. I always

660
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Speaker 3: by the way, he actually has always been weirdly pro Israel,

661
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Speaker 3: which I find oh yeah, absolutely, and so which I

662
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Speaker 3: find genuinely like mystifying. It's like Israel is some force

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Speaker 3: of benevolence and balance, you know in the region.

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Speaker 1: I don't really know how how you get there. Did

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Speaker 1: he serve in Iraq?

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Speaker 9: Ji e.

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Speaker 3: Vance, Well, I mean as a what is it called

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Speaker 3: a public information officer in the but yeah, he was

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Speaker 3: deployed to.

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Speaker 4: Iraq for a year, yeah, I wonder if I wonder

671
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Speaker 4: if something happened there.

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Speaker 1: What would happen, Well, maybe.

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Speaker 4: Like a real contempt for like Bagdad or something a

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Speaker 4: real has to for the people there.

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Speaker 1: And then you're like, well, at least the Israelis are.

676
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, But then you would be who's

677
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Speaker 3: the guy who wears the IDEF uniform in Congress? What's

678
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Speaker 3: that guy's name mask? Yeah, but then you would be

679
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Speaker 3: like a Brian mass figure. Actually it's good, who's the

680
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Speaker 3: new congressman right with the Israeli flag? Like we cheer

681
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Speaker 3: this on every time we see a dead Palestinian kid.

682
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I mean within US politics, especially what

684
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Speaker 3: in the broad spectrum of the Bell curve or whatever. Like,

685
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Speaker 3: I guess we're just going to say it's a positive.

686
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Speaker 3: But I think that the cultural positive coming out of

687
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Speaker 3: this is to have a Theo von like figure out

688
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Speaker 3: there who is willing to say something like this, and

689
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Speaker 3: if he's going to use his platform at the very

690
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Speaker 3: least ask That's another thing.

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of attacks on THEO.

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Speaker 3: For not I'm like, look, guys, theon like we're expecting

693
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Speaker 3: him to litigate Israel?

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here. Okay, what you can get,

695
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Speaker 1: you take what you could get. The fact that there's

696
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Speaker 1: even like a level of criticism.

697
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Speaker 3: Also, if we're going to normalize this and broadly, I

698
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Speaker 3: think it's good to have politicians go on these shows. Yeah,

699
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Speaker 3: every once in a while, you're gonna get a wild

700
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Speaker 3: car question like that, because this is where unfortunately they're

701
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Speaker 3: not actually giving enough credit to THEO.

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Speaker 1: That word would never even be uttered.

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Speaker 3: In a CNN interview, NPR never, right, So it's like, look,

704
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Speaker 3: we're at least in some net positive territory here. I

705
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: understand people want to have a big back and forth

706
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Speaker 3: or whatever it's like, but you know, I still think

707
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Speaker 3: we're along.

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Speaker 4: With it because the real political problem for him is

709
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Speaker 4: to confront that question. You're America first, but you seem

710
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Speaker 4: like you care more about it is right, you see,

711
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Speaker 4: we had to win.

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Speaker 1: By the way, what is it?

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Speaker 4: There was a piece of resolution to condemn the Bolder

714
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Speaker 4: terrorist attack. Okay, great, condemn that terrorist attacks are bad.

715
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Speaker 4: They wrote into it the terrorist shouted free Palestine, which

716
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Speaker 4: is an anti Semitic slogan that calls for the destruction

717
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Speaker 4: of the Jewish people, which then if you vote for it,

718
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Speaker 4: you're voting for. You're affirming the definition of free Palestine

719
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Speaker 4: as an anti Semitic slogan.

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Speaker 1: We reported on this. It went viral. Code pink kicked into.

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Speaker 4: Gear and they pulled it out and they passed the

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Speaker 4: resolution just you know, condemning the.

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Speaker 3: Didn't the ihr A resolution just become lawer am I

724
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Speaker 3: is that fake news?

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Speaker 1: What am I thinking? Well, it went, it went under Biden,

726
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Speaker 1: it became law.

727
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Speaker 3: Basically, it didn't get just get reaffirmed or something like that.

728
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they were re affirming it constantly. There might

729
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Speaker 3: have been another resolution. Thing wonderful, how wonderful it is.

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Speaker 4: But so the fact that they they could have passed it,

731
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Speaker 4: yet they took it out, because I feel like there

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Speaker 4: is at least some sense among both parties leaders that

733
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Speaker 4: people are losing their patience for this stuff. That what

734
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Speaker 4: do you mean you're going to tell me that free

735
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Speaker 4: Palestine is legally now deemed to be an anti Semitic slogan.

736
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Speaker 1: That it's just too ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: But that is where I do see like some of

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Speaker 3: this theo von Tim Dillon logan. Right, I'm not sure

739
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Speaker 3: I've heard anything from Shane Gillis or but I watched

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Speaker 3: these people closely just because I'm like, okay, like, where's

741
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Speaker 3: the bro spear kind of you know, going in this

742
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Speaker 3: regard and there is a general acknowledgment they're like, yeah,

743
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Speaker 3: this is pretty weird like this, you.

744
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Speaker 4: Know, like the laws and the level of aloud to boycot.

745
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Speaker 3: Government force you know, against mack mud Khalil or any

746
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Speaker 3: of that. But I mean, arguably what's even crazier, I

747
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Speaker 3: think than the deportations.

748
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Speaker 1: Is at the highest level is like the full.

749
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Speaker 3: Force of this quote Anti Semitism task Force basically setting

750
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Speaker 3: the rules and regulations at different universities and then making it,

751
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Speaker 3: you know, the policy of the United States government the

752
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Speaker 3: way that you teach history at Harvard University. That's nuts,

753
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: you know, at a federal level in particular, Yeah, and

754
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: then using it without applying. I mean, it's a different

755
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: thing to say we're gonna withhold federal funding if universities

756
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: violate existing law on the Civil Rights Act, that's like

757
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: a long standing thing or against it, you know whatever.

758
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Speaker 1: Discrimination. I think that's fine, And if states.

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Speaker 3: Want to get involved with the way that their public

760
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Speaker 3: universities are, I've had a debate here before. Be my

761
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Speaker 3: guest I think states, who are you know, like the

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Speaker 3: University of Virginia, University of Texas and all these other places.

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Speaker 3: These are state institutions which should genuinely generally be governed

764
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Speaker 3: by the state legislatures and others with the input of

765
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Speaker 3: their constituents. But at a federal level coming in over

766
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Speaker 3: the top on some of these private institutions. That's where

767
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: it just gets totally crazy. And I think people can

768
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Speaker 3: see that very clearly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they ordered basically the middle eastern head of the

770
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Speaker 4: Harvard's division.

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Speaker 1: To be like fired. It's like, what are you doing?

772
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. The fun thing. Other fun thing.

773
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Speaker 4: The fun thing about the Theovone interview is it's happened

774
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Speaker 4: just as the Musk Trump War was breaking out into

775
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Speaker 4: the open. So we can actually start with D two B.

776
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Speaker 4: This tear sheet from the Washington Post. They have interesting

777
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Speaker 4: reporting that you know, Trump knew jade Vance is headed

778
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Speaker 4: to this Theovonne interview, so he knows this is going

779
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: to come up, and he said, you know, be cool,

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Speaker 4: you know, don't don't go too.

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Speaker 1: Hard on the poor guy. Yeah, we're still I'm still

782
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Speaker 1: now it's weird.

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Speaker 4: Well, while jade Vance was going to, uh, the interview,

784
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Speaker 4: And while he's in the interview, Musk continues to turn

785
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: the heat up. Like by the time he's like in

786
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: the interview, he's calling for his impeachment and talking about

787
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Speaker 4: the Epstein files. So when Trump gave that that recommendation

788
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Speaker 4: or that that directive, he hadn't gone quite to know.

789
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Speaker 1: The def con that he eventually did.

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Speaker 4: But let's roll a little bit of theovon and talking

791
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Speaker 4: about Epstein and Elon and Trump.

792
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Speaker 9: Here d two Elon Musk and you may have heard

793
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Speaker 9: of him. I've heard of him.

794
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Speaker 10: Time to drop the really big bomb, right, And I

795
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 10: thought this was going to be on iron I haven't

796
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Speaker 10: even seen right, I haven't even seen this one. But

797
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 10: he goes at real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.

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Speaker 10: This is the real reason they have not been made public.

799
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Speaker 10: Have a nice day. Nice signature from a South African

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Speaker 10: JT Man.

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Speaker 8: Well here here's here's my basic reaction to like all

802
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 8: this stuff is luck first of all, like absolutely not.

803
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump didn't do anything wrong with Jeffrey Epstein.

804
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 8: Like there's the guy is whatever the Democrats and the

805
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 8: media says about him, that's totally bs. Here here's my basic,

806
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 8: my basic great on it. First of all, I'm the

807
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Speaker 8: vice president's the President Trump. My loyalty is are always

808
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 8: going to be with the President. And I think that Elon,

809
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 8: he's an incredible entrepreneur. He's actually done I think does

810
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 8: was really good. This sort of effort to root out

811
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Speaker 8: waste fraud abuse in our country is really good. And

812
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Speaker 8: and and look, man, I'm always going to be loyal

813
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 8: to the president, and I hope that eventually Elon kind

814
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 8: of comes back into the fold. Maybe that's not possible

815
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Speaker 8: now because he's gone so nuclear.

816
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Speaker 4: First of all, let's talk about material the substance there.

817
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Speaker 4: Why would Donald Trump not be like he's one of

818
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Speaker 4: his best friends.

819
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Speaker 1: According to Epstein apps John Trump's one of his best friends.

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Speaker 4: There's there's the image of you know, him and Epstein

821
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Speaker 4: together or whether they're laughing. He likes him young and Trump,

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Speaker 4: Miss Trump said in a GQ or whatever it was, Yeah,

823
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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, And it was a statement.

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Speaker 1: You could tell.

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Speaker 4: It was like one of those dictated statements that he

826
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Speaker 4: gave where he's like, Jeffrey Epstein likes him young.

827
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Speaker 1: Thing, but he loves to have a good time.

828
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Speaker 3: I said this yesterday. I wonder if you agree with me.

829
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't think the conspiracy is about Trump.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about Mozad. That's why they won't release

831
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: the Epstein file. It's so obvious, you know, considering a

832
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Speaker 3: lot of the quotes and all of that they're I mean,

833
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Speaker 3: I'm sure it probably doesn't make Trump look good in

834
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Speaker 3: terms of some of the what Gilain and Epstein were

835
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Speaker 3: both mar A Lago members, and who knows, maybe at

836
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Speaker 3: Trump the Trump Organization or whatever I had invested with

837
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: Epstein or vice versa or something like that in the

838
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Speaker 3: past would not surprise me considering everything is out there.

839
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Speaker 3: But I still think that's the number one reason why

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Speaker 3: the vast majority of the stuff has not yet been released.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, good man.

842
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's one where I'm just seeing this all

844
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Speaker 3: like morph online. I'm like, guys, know, it's all. It's

845
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Speaker 3: been the same the whole time.

846
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: Like we've seen. The original reason.

847
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Speaker 3: Why he wasn't released or why why he was given

848
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Speaker 3: this sweetheart deal you know, from federal prosecutors was literally

849
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Speaker 3: they said intelligence, that's the entire reason behind it. And

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Speaker 3: now cash Pttel just basically changing his entire story on

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Speaker 3: a dime. The moment that it becomes the FBI director.

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Speaker 3: But don't you think I would give it to you

853
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Speaker 3: if I had it? It's like no, actually no, do

854
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Speaker 3: I think that the FBI would lie to me?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yes, about an intelligence asset? Absolutely, that's the most believable

857
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Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before we move on, we got to do the

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Speaker 4: funniest one.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is This may not even translate because

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Speaker 3: a lot of our audience is not nearly as online

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Speaker 3: as we are.

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Speaker 1: But there is a online This is how online are you?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: This is how online are you? Test?

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Speaker 3: And here we have an incident where Theobon's producer has

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Speaker 3: a person muted. Jad notices this and it's like, who

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Speaker 3: do you have muted? And then he bursts out laughing

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Speaker 3: whenever he sees Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: This is interesting. Let's see from an account you muted.

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Speaker 8: I'm curious who did you mute?

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Speaker 1: Who is that guy?

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Speaker 6: Is that yours?

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Speaker 8: It's one of your producers, seng Oh, it's a Trump

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Speaker 8: shamambitached and Jade events to replace him.

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Speaker 9: Dude, that's one boat. Oh my god.

877
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Speaker 4: If you don't know if success in life is not

878
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 4: being online and failure is being online.

879
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Speaker 1: Miles Chong is we have one in life. We have

880
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: lost battle. I'm deep in Ian lore. I've known Ian

881
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: Ian for probably is a Malaysian.

882
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 4: If you don't know, he's a he's a Malaysian provocateur.

883
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Speaker 1: He's a Malaysian provocateur.

884
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Speaker 3: He does not live in the United States about the

885
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Speaker 3: United States of America, literally constantly posting videos. One of

886
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Speaker 3: the most proliferate Elon replied, Eyes probably makes thousands of

887
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: dollars a month on Twitter off of his this new

888
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: verification scheme.

889
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: Definitely a major Elon fanboy.

890
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Speaker 3: There are open questions as to whether he's ever bizen

891
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 3: to the United States of America in the first place.

892
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: I still think it's weird. I think you and I

893
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: have talked about the force. They care so much about America.

894
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: It'd be like if you and I were talking about

895
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: Jolo all day long. You know, we'll be like, let's

896
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 3: get yeah, okay, one MDB, let's let's go Ryan. Let's

897
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: just be obsessed with Malaysia and Kuala Lampour's internal politics.

898
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: It's totally nuts. He'll be like, what's this guy, what's

899
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: this guy doing? Like why does he care so much?

900
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 6: He doesn't live.

901
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 3: You're not even from here. It's like the meme, like

902
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: you don't even go here, you know.

903
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: What what is happening?

904
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Speaker 3: So very very funny moment just to show you really

905
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Speaker 3: extremely I mean he's the first money you know, vice president,

906
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Speaker 3: so that that is certainly what you get.

907
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: The DNC has discovered YouTube. YouTube apparently has yet to

908
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 4: discover the d n C. However, let's roll this.

909
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 12: Hi, I'm Hannah, the deputy communications director for the Democrats.

910
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 12: We're launching a new daily messaging program called the Blueprint.

911
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 9: It starts today on YouTube.

912
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: You should watch.

913
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Speaker 12: We're going to talk about what's happening in Washington today,

914
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Speaker 12: what Republicans are up to, what Democrats are doing, and

915
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 12: how you can join the fight.

916
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Speaker 4: So a bit of a bumpy start, we can put

917
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Speaker 4: up E two here.

918
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we hate to view count Shane Ryan, but seven

919
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: seven and twenty views, that's just I'm sorry.

920
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Speaker 1: That's pathetic.

921
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Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I made a joke that that's five

922
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: minutes here breaking points. But actually, you know what, I

923
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: can take a look at the data right now and

924
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: actually tell you whether that is.

925
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Speaker 4: While you're looking up, yeah, while you're looking up for

926
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Speaker 4: to data I can say that we have to wrap

927
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Speaker 4: this by ten am because of DNC's next live starts

928
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Speaker 4: at ten am.

929
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Speaker 1: And how many people are in the waiting room for

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Speaker 1: that currently two? Two people in the waiting room for that.

931
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Speaker 1: Let's that's the waiting room shame either. We all know that.

932
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Speaker 3: You know waiting rooms, you know, the metrics don't necessarily apply.

933
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Speaker 3: That said, at the very moment that you and I

934
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Speaker 3: are doing this, it is nine to forty five. Story

935
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Speaker 3: starts in fifteen and that's a little low.

936
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Speaker 1: It's a little low.

937
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Speaker 3: And he would expect something better from a major political

938
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Speaker 3: party in the United States.

939
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Speaker 1: But man, would you trust me?

940
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Speaker 3: Would you expect I just don't understand what they're trying

941
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Speaker 3: to get out of this. And I'll tell you why,

942
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: Why do you need the Democratic Party to have its

943
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: own YouTube show? The R and C is not doing that.

944
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: You know, It's like they're taking this whole podcast thing

945
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: too seriously. Like, let me look right now, guys. Brian

946
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: Tyler Cohen, a huge lib is on YouTube right now

947
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Speaker 3: with four point four million subscribers.

948
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Speaker 1: His last video with his last.

949
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Speaker 3: Video with Gavin Newsom's got five hundred two thousand views.

950
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Speaker 1: All right, let me go and check Midas Touch. These

951
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: guys are huge, huge.

952
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Speaker 3: I've seen Brian Tyler, I've seen what's his name, Newsom.

953
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: He's given interviews to Might's Touching, Brian Tyler Cohen. He

954
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: knows what time it is in terms of the trip deployment.

955
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: I'm looking, yeah, I'm looking at this right now. I mean, yeah,

956
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: the latest Might's Touch video was posted an hour ago

957
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: already has a one thousand views on the front end, which,

958
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: as people who do this professionally know, on the back end,

959
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Speaker 3: it's probably a million.

960
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: No, it's probably way more than that.

961
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Speaker 3: If I'm looking, you know, at some of the videos

962
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Speaker 3: that they posted yesterday, we're talking about hundreds of thousands

963
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 3: of views.

964
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Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go.

965
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: The interview with Gavin Usom, posted fourteen hours ago, has

966
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Speaker 3: five hundred and forty five thousand views. They've got a

967
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Speaker 3: video from sixteen hours ago with seven hundred and sixty

968
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Speaker 3: one thousand views. I mean, these are astronomical numbers. These

969
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 3: are these are unbelievable. They've got almost a million views

970
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: on videos that they posted yesterday. And this is just

971
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Speaker 3: video after video after video, and they nearly five million. Okay,

972
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: and this is you know, to review. Shame the Democrats.

973
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Speaker 1: I view respect.

974
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Speaker 3: People who anybody out there, if you're clocking this, I'm

975
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: paying attention, okay. And that's why I don't understand the

976
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 3: Democrats wanting to do their own YouTube channel here.

977
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: Because these guys already exist.

978
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 3: The politicians know you don't need to quote go direct

979
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: in the way that they're doing it. What the Republican

980
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: Party doesn't have its own podcast, It's cringe.

981
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: What do they do?

982
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, the note Boys want to have a

983
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: uzon cool. They got ten million descriptions, you know, Joe

984
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: Rogan twenty million, theovon, Tim Dillon, whatever, they know. They

985
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: just spread it out busting you know, Barstool, any of

986
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 3: these other places. That's the strategies. You go to places

987
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 3: where they already have the audience. So it just feels

988
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: very like it feels very like designed in a lab

989
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: and overinterpreted of this whole podcast. You go going direct

990
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: online thing Hassan is out there, might as touches out there.

991
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: I don't understand just.

992
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: Go do that.

993
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: But I think the take is they're afraid they don't.

994
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: You know, very few Republican politicians would go to a

995
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 3: podcast where someone's going to ask them about gods of genocide.

996
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: They just don't have balls, let's be honest. And I

997
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 3: think that's the same thing here. Yes, Newsom is going

998
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: on here, but other Democratic leaders have not yet really

999
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 3: embraced what's happening in the online sphere. It's out there

1000
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 3: if you want to take it.

1001
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: And you know what's interesting is you know who else

1002
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: made the same mistake was Bernie Sanders in twenty twenty.

1003
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: Really yeah, helain what you mean?

1004
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 4: He went out and you can talk to brianjoy Gray

1005
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: about this, who was his national spokespart some for that campaign.

1006
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: They went out and they started their own podcast, they

1007
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 4: started their own like shows I do vaguely remember, and

1008
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 4: he wanted to create this kind of Bernie media. He

1009
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 4: was coming at it from a different direction. He wasn't

1010
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 4: afraid that he was going to get you know questions.

1011
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 4: Well this was pre October seventh. But he didn't trust

1012
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: the mainstream media because he thinks their corporate chills and

1013
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: he hates them, and he for thirty forty years has

1014
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 4: always kind of saw himself as both messenger slash journalist

1015
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: and politician. Back in the nineteen seventies, he like the

1016
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: thing he dedicated himself to was making a Eugene Debs documentary,

1017
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: and when he was mayor, he would go around doing

1018
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 4: these like in person interviews with people in the Burlington

1019
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: Mall and then post them on like public access television

1020
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 4: like this. He's always wanted to kind of cut the

1021
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: media out. Yet where he really got his traction was

1022
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 4: because the actual media understood how much riz he had,

1023
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 4: how much how he drove ratings, and he was able

1024
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 4: to then co opt that to get to get his

1025
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 4: message out. And if you look at kind of the

1026
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 4: return on the investment and trying to create this Bernie media.

1027
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: Sphere, it's toll flop.

1028
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you, it's really very difficult to just generate that.

1029
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 4: And also even Bernie supporters don't want that, Like they

1030
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: want their guy out there or on other podcasts, in

1031
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 4: other media so that they can see that the message

1032
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: is getting to everybody. And so certainly you're not. You

1033
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: don't have you have a lot more people that loved

1034
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders than love the DNC.

1035
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 3: It's also more interesting you see Bernie on Fox, or

1036
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: Bernie on Exactly, or Bernie on any of these I mean,

1037
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: it's just it's more you know, you actually get more

1038
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 3: out of it, to see them in different environments. That's

1039
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: broadly how these politicians succeed. That's actually what real talent

1040
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: is is the ability to go in an unfamiliar environment

1041
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: and just broadly handle yourself like fine, you know. And

1042
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 3: so anyway, I think it's a huge mistake, and broadly

1043
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: it just shows you what a mess DNC is.

1044
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: Right now, this is my.

1045
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: First now four way, Okay, so they've doubled their huge, huge,

1046
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the next one here. I

1047
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: need you to explain this to me. Quote leaked audio

1048
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 3: reveals DNC chair is in despair over dem civil war.

1049
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: Quote no one knows who I am. And he says you,

1050
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: essentially he told this to David Hog. You essentially destroyed

1051
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: any chance I have to show leadership that I need to.

1052
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: It's really frustrating.

1053
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: And he is now saying whether he's also questioning whether

1054
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: he should quit his job or not. This is the

1055
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: brand new d n C chair. So why is he

1056
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 3: so mad at David Hog over this? Because of the

1057
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: threat which he didn't you walk back his threat to

1058
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 3: primary sitting Democrats.

1059
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: Booting him out right, So what happened basically is that

1060
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 4: David Hogg who rose to prominence from Parkland March for

1061
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: Our Lives and became kind of an avatar for this

1062
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: young people's movement against gun violence.

1063
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: He's also developed some.

1064
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: Politics that are bit oppositional to the party, and maybe

1065
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: that's just from seeing the party up close for so

1066
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: long and he kind of recoiled at it.

1067
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: And so it was kind of interesting when he.

1068
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: Got elected to the DNC, because if you don't follow

1069
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: it close, you're like, Oh, the guy's probably just a

1070
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: puppet d NC. If you follow it closer, you're like,

1071
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 4: actually has his own ideas. Interesting that he got in there.

1072
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 4: One of the first ideas he kind of rolls out

1073
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: and he says, I'm basically going to do this super

1074
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: pack with tens of millions of dollars that is going

1075
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 4: to support candidates who are taking on bad incumbent Democrats.

1076
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: And it's just a record scratch.

1077
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Speaker 4: Inside the DNC offices, They're like, excuse me, you're going

1078
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 4: to do what the dn You're a DNC vice chair

1079
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 4: and you're going to be weighing in on in primaries

1080
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 4: against the incumbent democrat. We're not do we no, no,

1081
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 4: we're not doing that. We're if we get into a

1082
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: primary at all, it's going to be to defend the

1083
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 4: incombat incumbent democrat against the challengers against the insurgent challengers.

1084
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 4: And so then they basically push them out of the

1085
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 4: d n C. They moved to push him out of

1086
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 4: the DNC because they say, you can't do both things

1087
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 4: at once, and if you were going to do both

1088
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: things at once, it would be just a completely different DNC.

1089
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: And then maybe that kind of revolutionary DNC actually can

1090
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: challenge Trump, but that's not the one that they want.

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Speaker 4: So from Ken Martin's perspective, he's the functionary brought in

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Speaker 4: from Minnesota, ran the Minnesota Party.

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, f this man, this stucks.

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Speaker 4: Like, you know, he had some you know, ideas for

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Speaker 4: some things he was going to do better, but now

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Speaker 4: the whole focus is on this this Hog situation. So

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Speaker 4: that's that's the frustration that you're that you're seeing from

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Speaker 4: him there.

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Speaker 1: He's like, what am I supposed to do now? Now?

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Speaker 4: Like he's in his defense, he's in this no win situation. Well,

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Speaker 4: the only way he wins is he goes all in

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Speaker 4: with Hog. He's like, yeah, we are actually throwing.

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Speaker 3: Which would never fly, which is the DNC you.

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Speaker 1: W wow crazy and.

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Speaker 4: So then Hog, I think it was Holly Hotter Bean,

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Speaker 4: but it was a Holly. People are like, oh, and now, Hog,

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Speaker 4: you're leaking.

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Speaker 1: D n C audio.

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Speaker 4: He's like, no, I did not leak this, And to

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Speaker 4: prove it, he posts screenshots with I think Holly Otter

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Speaker 4: being in Politico of her reaching out to ask for

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Speaker 4: comment on this audio wow, to say like, look, I

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Speaker 4: didn't leak it.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise, Yeah, that's right, that's true.

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Speaker 4: So people are like, oh, so you're you would leak

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Speaker 4: some text messes to prove you didn't leak audio.

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Speaker 3: What a mess, man, Just a total complete mess. Okay,

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Speaker 3: let's put the next thing up here. These are just

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Speaker 3: hilarious fails that can't help but highlight.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is more recently Congressman Sarah Jacobs. She tweeted, these

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Speaker 3: immigration raids don't define us our response to them does.

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Speaker 3: I am proud to have dinner at Buana Forteta to

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Speaker 3: show my support to them as they deal with the

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Speaker 3: fallout of the raids where agents threw up flash bringing

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Speaker 3: not hard armed criminals. We will continue to stand with

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Speaker 3: our immigrant communities. So she dined nicely at a Los

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Speaker 3: Angeles restaurant, Ryan, in order to support them in this

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Speaker 3: it's like.

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Speaker 4: A Neapolitan pizza place. She put up an image of it.

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Speaker 4: It looks incredible, Okay, absolutely looks.

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Speaker 3: Best neopolitan pizza is where can you guess? And it's

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Speaker 3: not a haven? It right there, Tokyo, Japan.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I'm team Sarah Jacobs. I will i'll e for

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Speaker 4: any call.

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Speaker 1: Come on, all right?

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Speaker 3: And then finally, I have not yet gotten to react

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Speaker 3: to Taco, so please put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: Eric Squalwell, Eric Swalwell, this meme is everywhere. This is

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Speaker 3: Trump tripping on Air Force one straight since be kind

1141
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Speaker 3: to each other, making fun of an almost eight year

1142
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Speaker 3: old failing in the stairs has no place in our politics,

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Speaker 3: and says Taco fell. So I was not aware of

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Speaker 3: the Taco moniker. That is new from the Democrats.

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Speaker 9: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Trump always out Wall Street? So Trump always chickens out.

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Speaker 3: This is one where the Democrats have decided to brand

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Speaker 3: Trump Taco for negotiating with Well, yes, Chuck Schumer said,

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Speaker 3: it isn't that your origin of it?

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Speaker 4: No, No, the part that you missed. Yeah, Wall Street

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00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 4: traders love doing these acronyms. Yeah, and so the acronym

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Speaker 4: that they came up with too, that's basically where you're

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Speaker 4: going long on the market despite Trump saying he's going

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Speaker 4: to keep his tariffs in place. Is they call they

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Speaker 4: called it a taco trade because it's Trump stands for

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Speaker 4: Trump always chickens out. So if you bet your actual

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Speaker 4: money long on Trump, you bet on Trump chickening out,

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Speaker 4: your BET's going to come in.

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Speaker 9: And then a.

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Speaker 1: Reporter the taco trade. I like it.

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Speaker 4: A reporter then asked Trump, you know about this Wall

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Speaker 4: Street trade called the taco trade?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, they said, what, I'm no chicken? How

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00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: dare you? Like Marty may Fly?

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Speaker 4: How dare you? And then the market tanked because they're like, oh, no,

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Speaker 4: Mark Fly is gonna now He's gonna stick with his

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Speaker 4: tariffs for longer.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And then uh, Chuck Schumer used it to try to

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Speaker 4: get to call him a chicken for not bombing Iran. Okay,

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Speaker 4: says he's tough, but taco Trump will on't even bomb.

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Speaker 1: Trump will not bomb Iran.

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Speaker 3: It's like, wait, I want the taco then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, same on the tariffs variety. Yeah, let's let's.

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Speaker 4: Take let's not bomb three different places at the same price.

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Speaker 1: Keep tacoing. Yeah, nobody telling them about taco if that's

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Speaker 1: what you want. So yeah.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, so it did become a demn thing, but

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Speaker 4: it started with.

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Speaker 3: Well we've got now, we've got the heroic d n

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Speaker 3: C and on YouTube we have representative Sarah Jacobs and uh,

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Speaker 3: it was incredible on.

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Speaker 1: The d n C chair issues.

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Speaker 3: She's really good, interesting, really interesting. Why do you think

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Speaker 3: that is? Uh, Congressman Young District, what is it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like some of it feels like very authentic.

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Speaker 4: She's like she's really she really goes out there and

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Speaker 4: is one of the most outspoken Jewish Democrats on Gaza.

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Speaker 3: All right, maybe we'll cut her back, maybe we'll cut

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Speaker 3: her break there right on the piece of Look, speaking

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Speaker 3: of Israel, why don't we get to it.

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Speaker 4: The BBC announced yesterday that it is indefinitely putting on

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Speaker 4: hold a documentary fifteen months in the making called Gaza

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Speaker 4: Medics under Fire Now. While the BBC sits on its investigation,

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Speaker 4: Medics and Gaza continue to be targeted. In the past

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Speaker 4: twenty five days, Israeli forces have killed forty four healthcare workers,

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Speaker 4: including three yesterday.

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Speaker 1: According to Healthcare Workers Watch.

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Speaker 4: The medics Hussein Mohesen, Wayal al Altar, and Barra Afana,

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Speaker 4: who was just eighteen years old, were responding to an

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Speaker 4: Israeli airstrike that left civilians crushed under rubble, and whose father,

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Speaker 4: also a paramedic, was on the scene where he was

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Speaker 4: killed but was unable to get to his son because

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Speaker 4: of the relentless bombing. Now chances are you've seen footage

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Speaker 4: of Mohesan before rescuing children from underneath rubble. About a

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Speaker 4: month ago, footage of a little girl running through flames

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Speaker 4: went viral around the world world. Hussein was the one

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Speaker 4: who rescued her, and he was featured in a New

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Speaker 4: York Times report about the attack, which killed at least

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Speaker 4: thirty civilians at a shelter, including five of the girl's

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Speaker 4: siblings and her mother. Hussain described how the girl was

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Speaker 4: stuck behind an impossibly hot door and they were able

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Speaker 4: to get people nearby to dump water on her while

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Speaker 4: they worked on opening that door. He rescued another girl

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Speaker 4: from that fire that night. Early in the war, he

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Speaker 4: was featured from behind in a photograph that became famous.

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Speaker 4: In the last message he sent to colleagues, he told them, quote,

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Speaker 4: the army is hitting near me. I don't think I

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Speaker 4: have much time left. A journalist, MoMA and Abu wil Auof,

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Speaker 4: was with the paramedics and was also killed in the strike.

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Speaker 4: Instead of apologizing for the killing of three medics and

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Speaker 4: a journalist, the IDF has vowed to kill the spokesperson

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Speaker 4: for the Gaza Civil Defense, the agency responsible for rescuing

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Speaker 4: people from rubble, saying that he is a Hamas terrorist

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Speaker 4: whose crime is to make quote all statements to the

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Speaker 4: international media unquote. They are literally promising to bomb the messenger.

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Speaker 4: What's strange about their anger at the Civil Defense spokesperson,

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Speaker 4: who has condemned Israel's attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure

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Speaker 4: is that Israel does not hide its intentions. He's not

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Speaker 4: saying anything they don't say themselves. Last month, Bezilel Smotrich

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Speaker 4: said publicly, quote, the IDF is finally conducting a campaign

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Speaker 4: against the civilian rule of Hamas. We are eliminating ministers, officials,

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Speaker 4: money handlers, and elements of the economic and governmental system.

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Speaker 4: They are indeed doing exactly that. The goal is to

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Speaker 4: eliminate any civilian authority in Gaza and replace it with

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Speaker 4: Israeli armed and funded gangs.

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Speaker 1: As NETNAHUO acknowledged just.

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Speaker 4: The other day, Israel isn't limiting its attacks on civilian

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Speaker 4: infrastructure to Gaza. Israel yesterday ordered the evacuation of three

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Speaker 4: ports in Yemen, threatening strikes. Donald Trump meanwhile, was asked

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Speaker 4: about ongoing ceasefire and to gotiations and said that Iran

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Speaker 4: is now involved.

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Speaker 7: You mentioned now the flotilla. Do you have a response

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Speaker 7: at all about Israel intercepting this boat and can you

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Speaker 7: give us an update on what's happening to the entry

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Speaker 7: of aid into Gaza right now? We've had people being

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Speaker 7: shot by Israeli forces who are trying to get on

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Speaker 7: the humanitarian formation.

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Speaker 11: Yes, Ghaza right now is in the midst of a

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Speaker 11: massive negotiation between US and Hamas and Israel, and Iran

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Speaker 11: actually has involved, and we'll see what's going to happen

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Speaker 11: with Gaza. We want to get the hostages back. So

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Speaker 11: I can tell you.

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Speaker 4: The Iranians, for their part, said yesterday they had obtained

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Speaker 4: intelligence as to the precise locations of sensitive Israeli nuclear

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Speaker 4: sites and would strike them with ballistic missiles if Israel

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Speaker 4: launched an attack on Iran. So those negotiations are ongoing.

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Speaker 4: On Sunday, Saga, there was a hours long Camp David

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Speaker 4: meeting that Trump held with Witkoff, Tulci, Gabbard, CIA director Radcliffe,

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Speaker 4: a number of other generals and top military officials where

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Speaker 4: they talked for a very long time about their strategy

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Speaker 4: of linking negotiations with.

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Speaker 1: Iran to a ceasefire in Gaza. And so.

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Speaker 4: Those talks continue and we'll see in the coming days,

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Speaker 4: you know, whether whether or not he's able to make

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Speaker 4: a breakthrough people. People are saying that you know, this

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Speaker 4: is the moment like and if if this moment is lost,

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Speaker 4: then you very well could be looking at endless war

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Speaker 4: and occupation in Gaza and and in war with Iran,

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Speaker 4: which because they now have this if you believe them,

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Speaker 4: and that's it's a credible claim that they now have

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Speaker 4: this intelligence about Israeli nuclear sites.

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Speaker 1: Will not be a cost free strike on Iran.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, but I mean within the talks, Ryan, and

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Speaker 3: you're looking at the camp what happened in Camp David,

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Speaker 3: and then these are Richmond claims.

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Speaker 1: There's blust.

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Speaker 3: Sure, the Iranians are denying it. Do you think things

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Speaker 3: are still moving in a more positive direction or.

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Speaker 1: Not, they're still moving.

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Speaker 4: You had this fascinating comment from Trump where he said

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Speaker 4: the Iranians there tough negotiatings, almost too tough.

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Speaker 1: But they're good. They're very good. They're very tough.

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Speaker 4: And he loves tough guys, Yes he does, and so

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Speaker 4: those are continuing.

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Speaker 1: He loves wit Cough.

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Speaker 4: He's still publicly saying that his red line is no enrichment,

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Speaker 4: but privately the talks are allowing would allow.

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Speaker 1: Enrichment, so as long as they can.

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Speaker 4: And also that perhaps today the Iranian response is expected,

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Speaker 4: which is supposed to be harsh no but soft y

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Speaker 4: s Yeah, right, no, but here's here's what we would do.

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Speaker 1: I'm still relatively hopeful.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that I think people need to be

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Speaker 3: on alert for, as you know, is if the details

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Speaker 3: of this come out and there is like enrichment, the

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Speaker 3: the the Neocon campaign against this will be an Alzheimer.

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Speaker 1: It will be one of the most titanic.

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Speaker 3: Battles that we have seen yet because they are so

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Speaker 3: activated already over Gaza, Iran is their next stop. They've

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Speaker 3: character assassinated everything they can against wit Cough More recently,

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Speaker 3: did you see this whole bruhaha, between Tucker Carlson and

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Speaker 3: Mark Levin. Mark Levin apparently at the White House advocating

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Speaker 3: for war with iron every possible avenue that they have

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Speaker 3: to convince Trump to abandon.

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Speaker 1: This is currently happening, and so.

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Speaker 3: I'm cautiously optimistic, but I would not be surprised if

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Speaker 3: they're able to kill it. The amount of political machinery

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Speaker 3: that they have at their disposal is just completely immense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we may get war.

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Speaker 3: Still, We'll see, all right, Thank you so much, Ryan,

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