1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: To Michael Marry Show, we've told a whole generation of 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: kids that your happiness depends on what you do, not 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: who you are, and we've given them a roadmap that 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: takes them right off a cliff, and we've encouraged them, 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: for their trouble, to borrow more money than they'll ever 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: be able to pay back, money by the way, that 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: we can't even afford to lend them to train them 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: for jobs that don't exist anymore. Everything is backwards. You know. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: The machinery's changed, but unfortunately so too as the mindset. 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we should maybe talk about. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: It's safety third. 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: You had a fifty to fifty shot. Yeah, it was 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: either up or down. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: Up for down. So it's safety third and it's micro 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: for one solid hour. Welcome to Colorado. 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Safety first. If Bosha got it wrong, what if it's 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: really safety third? Right? And so when I say safety third, 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: just because you're in compliance, does it mean you're out 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: of danger? Safety third? We oh Safety third was a 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: turn of phrase that came out of Dirty Jobs about 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: ten twelve years ago, and it was in direct response 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: to an expression you'll be more familiar with, which was, 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: of course, safety first. Safety is important. Everybody knows that 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: who's ever worked around machines like this or has just 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: tried to get through life. Safety matters a great deal. 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: But on Dirty Jobs we always look for the unintended 27 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: consequence of a thing, and we always tried to look 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: at bromides and platitudes and cookie cutter advice with some suspicion, 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: because the unintended consequences of following pat advice can be 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: very steep, especially in the vocational art. And so what 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: happens when you tell somebody safety is first. What happens 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: when you tell a worker that the most important thing 33 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: in the world is their safety, Well, that's a well 34 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: intended thing to say, but if you say it often enough, 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: then you run the risk, in my opinion, of creating 36 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: an air of complacency that ultimately puts people in harm's way. 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: What happened to us on Dirty Jobs was really simple. 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: For the first two years of that show, we went 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: to the most hazardous places in the country, a crew 40 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: of greenhorns who went out into the world to try 41 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: and give our viewers an honest look at what work 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: looked like. Now, we were frightened because by and large 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: we were in places that could rip you into very 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: small pieces, with all kinds of machinery that was truly 45 00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: truly hazardous. Right, So we were very very mindful of 46 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: our surroundings, and we sat through all of the safety 47 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: protocols and all of the safety meetings like this, right Like, 48 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: we paid attention because we had a lot of skin 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: in the game. So for the first two years of 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: dirty jobs, whether it was on a crab boat or 51 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: whether it was on top of a windmill or at 52 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: the bottom of a coal mine, nobody got hurt, not once, 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: because we were very very focused on the work. We 54 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: were very much of a safety first mindset. Season three, 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: everything fell to pieces. I broke two fingers, a toe, 56 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: cracked a rib, and fused my eyebrows off my cameraman 57 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: same thing. Everybody on the show got hurt, thankfully, no 58 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: one catastrophically, but there were lots of stitches, sprains, brakes, contusions, 59 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and concussions. What happened, what I think happened, was after 60 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: sitting through maybe sixty mandatory briefings, all of the safety 61 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: first banners, all the nomenclature, all the orthodoxy, we stopped 62 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: paying attention. It started sounding Remember the teacher and the 63 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: Charlie Brown things. Wowow, missus Oathmark. That's what all the 64 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: safety professionals started to sound like. We just simply stopped 65 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: focusing on lockout tag out procedures. We went through the 66 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: confined space training, but we didn't really pay attention. Safety 67 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: first became a thing that ultimately created in us an 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: impression that somebody cared more about our well being than 69 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: we did, and that impression was the beginning of the 70 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: end for our health and well being. So I started 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: saying safety third to my crew members simply to break 72 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: through the noise and remind them that in the end, 73 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: real safety, which is safety always, is a combination of 74 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: personal responsibility and focus and the unintended consequence of letting 75 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: somebody know that you care more about their well being 76 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: than they do. That, in my view, leads to all 77 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: sorts of trouble. 78 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: You're sitting in a as it were, you coined the 79 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: phrase a cathedral to work. There's seven million jobs waiting 80 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: to be filled by people that could run a drill press, 81 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: run a lathe deal with these kind of things, and 82 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: somehow work got redefined in a unique way. So take 83 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: me to your counselor's office in the seventies. 84 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: Mister Dunbar, okay, yeah. 85 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: Because you were a potential victim of an attempt to 86 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: change work. 87 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: A well intended attempt. You know, I don't want to 88 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: shake my finger at anybody. But in the mid late seventies, 89 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: we decided as a culture that more people needed to 90 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: get an advanced degree. And we were probably right. We 91 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: needed more people to enthusiastically pursue a university education. But 92 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: in order to convince people that their best chance of 93 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: success was a four year degree, we began promoting four 94 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: year degrees at the expense of all the other forms 95 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: of education. And so we do this in so many 96 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: different ways. But for me, I remember mister Dunbar calling 97 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: me down was Office nineteen seventy nine, and he wanted 98 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: to talk about my future. You know, it's time to 99 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: talk about your future mine. And I'd done okay on 100 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: some college entrance exams and he looked at my scores 101 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: and said, your future is University of Maryland, University Pennsylvania, 102 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe James Madison and I couldn't afford any of those schools. 103 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: And more to the point, Matt, I didn't I didn't 104 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: know what I wanted to do, and so a liberal 105 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: arts degree he was expensive. It would have required me 106 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: to go into debt borrow money. That wouldn't have played 107 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: well in my home. And so my strategy was to 108 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: go to a two year school, take all the different 109 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: kinds of courses I could find, and see if something sparked, 110 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, And at twenty six bucks a credit, I 111 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: could afford to be wrong at that point. So I 112 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: told this to my guidance counselor, and he said, that's 113 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: all beneath your potential. And then he pointed to a 114 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: poster behind his head on the wall, and his question 115 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: was which one of these guys do you want to be? 116 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: And on the poster were two men, one a young 117 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: graduate from a college, dressed in a cap and gown 118 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: holding his diploma sunrising before him a wash in optimism, 119 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: and next to him was a skilled worker in a 120 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: dirty environment, looking down at the ground holding a wrench, 121 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: looking very much like he had just won some vocational 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: consolation prize, and the caption the caption said work smart, 123 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: not hard, and so as near as I can figure it, 124 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: the war against traditional work began around the same time 125 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: the push for a very specific kind of education embarked. 126 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: And so while we started telling a whole generation that 127 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: the best path for the most people was a four 128 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: year degree, we also started telling them that if you 129 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: don't go in that direction, you're going to wind up 130 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: like the guy in the photo, looking dirty and miserable 131 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and doomed. Around the same time, we took shop class 132 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: out of high school. When we did that, we removed 133 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: all vestige of what an entire chunk of our workforce 134 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: actually looks like. Wood shop, metal shop, auto shop, all 135 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: this stuff. Right, It doesn't matter if you're allultimately into 136 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: it or not. When you're fifteen or sixteen years old. 137 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: There's nothing more persuasive to discourage you from thinking about 138 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: something than removing all proof of its existence. And that's 139 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: what we did. We took shop class out of high school. 140 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: We started telling an entire generation that if it wasn't 141 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: a four year degree, you were doomed. Flash forward to today, 142 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: one point six trillion dollars in outstanding student loans, seven 143 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: and a half million jobs that don't require a four 144 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: year degree but require training and skill. The skills gap 145 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: and the cost of college are not problems, they're symptoms. 146 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: They're symptoms of a larger disconnect with work and to 147 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: the extent that I'm able with dirty jobs and somebody's 148 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: got to do it. And my foundation we simply try 149 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: to show the country examples of people who have bridged 150 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: that disconnect by learning a skill that's in demand, by 151 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: figuring out how to operate that thing or that thing 152 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, and by not making skilled training 153 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: the enemy. 154 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: You know, we just were making this up as we go, 155 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 2: but that poster got my attention. You've, through your foundation, 156 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: you've made these posters up. And if there's a telephone 157 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: number on the screen, call it. If it's an email address, 158 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: email us, and we want to get you one of 159 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: these things. 160 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: And Matt, let me explain it before and after. Just 161 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: some people are clear, I didn't really tell you this, 162 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: but the urge in me to lean across my guidance 163 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: counselor's desk and slap mister dunbar upside the head was 164 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: very nearly overwhelming. Because the guy in the photo who 165 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: looked like you know, the sad case, he looked like 166 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: my grandfather, a man who could build a house without 167 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: a blueprint. The whole depiction of him was wrong. Yeah, right, 168 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: And so for that reason. I didn't really want to 169 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: slap the guy, but I did want to cross out 170 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 1: the word not and replace it with the word and 171 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: work smart and hard. There was a time in our 172 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: country where that was the mandate, that was the conventional wisdom. 173 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: But somehow along the line we got clever and we 174 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: got cute, and we started saying, wait minute, if you 175 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: work smart enough, then you won't need to work hard, right, 176 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: And that is also part of the reason why it's 177 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: just became so fashionable to wage a war on work. 178 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: It goes to the difference between being efficient and being effective. 179 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: Both are good things, right, but if you take efficiency 180 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: to its logical conclusion, well you have a robot a robot, 181 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: And if you take effectiveness to its logical conclusion, you 182 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: have a very competent human. Huxley said, the greatest threat 183 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: to freedom is total anarchy, but the second greatest threat 184 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: is total efficiency. My goodness, So you know, Dirty Jobs 185 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: was a rumination on work. My foundation came out of 186 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: that show, and today we're still ruminating on it, and 187 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: we're still trying to challenge the prevailing definition of a 188 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: good job. 189 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: I sometimes get frustrated sitting with you and take a 190 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: number yeah, and because I have never really been able 191 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: to get a look down the rabbit hole deep enough you. 192 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 2: Every time I think you've gone deep in something that 193 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: you really care about, you go to a whole new level. 194 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: I've never been able to tap the well of who 195 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: you are. This stuff is really meaningful to you. 196 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm like a Russian nesting egg. Yeah, but there's another aggamy. No, look, 197 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: you know it's I look at it. It's all things 198 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: are micro macro to me right a micro so on 199 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: an individual basis, I do my best to make sense 200 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: of the challenges that I'm presented with, but on a 201 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: macro level. You know, when we've talked about this before, 202 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: work is one of those things that ought to be 203 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: one of the great uniters in a country right now, 204 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: and once upon a time, it was nobody in this 205 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: country would dare logically make a case against the benefits 206 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: of hard work. We wouldn't do it because we all 207 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: knew that part of the path to prosperity involved hard work. Today, 208 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: there is an affirmative push to challenge anyone who says, 209 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: wait a second, maybe the problem is you're not worth 210 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: looking hard enough. If you say that, that's heresy it's 211 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: not just a polite debate. You're really not allowed to 212 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: say that. You know, we have this thing in our 213 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: foundation called the Sweat Pledge. Everybody has to sign it. 214 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: It's twelve simple points that are really a statement of belief. 215 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: And many people will find a point or two on 216 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: there that they don't agree with, and parents especially will 217 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: really take offense. So why should my son sign this 218 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: thing that says, just because I'm in compliance doesn't mean 219 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm out of danger, because ultimately my safety is my responsibility. 220 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: They don't want their kids signing that because they've bought 221 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: into this idea that their health and well being isn't 222 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: up to them, It's up to their employer, it's up 223 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: to whoever owns the building. You know, you've got axes 224 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and hatchets and knives lying around here. I see a thing. 225 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: It looks like you throw hatchets into wood all right, now? 226 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: Is that a safety first thing to do? No life, 227 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: life is risk, you know, and risk ought to be mitigated, 228 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: It ought to be managed. Nobody wants to take needless risks. 229 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: But if we think we can make life better by 230 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: eliminating risk entirely, then we've lost something that goes right 231 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: to the guts of humanity. 232 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: Part of this discussion that led to these leather chairs 233 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: being sat here in this workshop here in Western Colorado. 234 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: We have to thank Governor Cuomo of New York for Okay, 235 00:15:53,040 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: so thank you, Governor. He made a statement that you challenged, 236 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: and so he made a statement that there was really 237 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: no policy that he could, you know, impose upon the 238 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: citizens of New York that would be too draconian if 239 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: it saved one life. I remember, Okay, then I think 240 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: you said something in response to that, Well, then let's outlaw. 241 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: Left hand turns. 242 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: Well, look again, politicians, and the reason I'm not in 243 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: politics is that you have to dispense cookie cutter advice. 244 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: That's your job because policy, by and large is a 245 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: reflection of that which is best for the most people. 246 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: So you have to say the thing that's going to 247 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: feel the most true, not the thing that is the 248 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: most true. Yeah, and so yeah, Cuomo said that no 249 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: sacrifice is too big if it saves a single life. 250 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: And I think my response was, well, I get it, 251 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to get elected, but it's not like COVID 252 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: people acted for a while there as though they just 253 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: learned they weren't immortal. Wow. It was like, what do 254 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: you mean I'm gonna die? What do you mean I 255 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: could die? I don't want to die. And so our 256 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: politicians come in and say, yeah, you're right, we're not 257 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: going to let you die. Here's what we're gonna do. 258 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: We're all going to stay in our houses until nobody 259 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: ever dies again. And it was so simplistic, but if 260 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: you like line it up, that's how the thinking went. 261 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: Here's our strategy. We're just going to wait it out. 262 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: In the history of the world, whoever waits it out 263 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Columbus Magellan, Balboa, anybody whoever wore a uniform, any fireman, 264 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: any cop, anybody who ever assumed a measure of risk 265 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: in order to put something in front of their own 266 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:04,959 Speaker 1: well being. What Cuomo said was the epitome of safety first. 267 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: If you believe something so completely, or if you believe 268 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: the people who are listening to you believe it so 269 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: completely that you can just get away with saying it. 270 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: So part of my response was to say, okay, look, 271 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: if safety is truly first, and if no sacrifice is 272 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: too great, and if you're the governor of a state, look, 273 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: forty thousand people died on the roads last year. I 274 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: can knock that number down to zero right now. It's easy. 275 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: Drop the speed limit to five miles an hour, everybody 276 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: wears a helmet, wrap yourself in bubble pack, and no 277 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: more left turns, and let's make the cars out of 278 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: rubb or two right, forty thousand lives saved like that. 279 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: If that were your real goal, why don't you do that? 280 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: And the answer, of course, is not going to get 281 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: you elected. But the truth, the truth is cars are 282 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: a lot safer when they're in the driveway, and ships 283 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: are a lot safer when they're anchored at harbor. And 284 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: we're a lot safer when we sit quietly in our 285 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: leather chairs and make no sudden moves, when we don't 286 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: take any risk, when we don't dare to do a 287 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: thing right. So, if your God is safety, and if 288 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: you worship at the altar of well being, and if 289 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: your burnt offerings go up in the name of risk mitigation, 290 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: then okay. But you're not going to be terribly interesting 291 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: at parties, and you're not ever going to say anything 292 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: that anybody writes on a T shirt, and you're not 293 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: going to do anything ever except live, in which case 294 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: I suppose each day concludes when you pat yourself on 295 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: the back and give yourself a high five. Too hard, 296 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: you could hurt a finger. Not too hard, right, So 297 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: look all of this. I get a lot of pushback 298 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: on this because it sounds like I'm encouraging a level 299 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: of recklessness. I'm not. I'm simply saying that we made 300 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: a bargain a long time ago. 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