Speaker 1: Okay, so listen up right now. Bow and Yang and I,
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, have a little bit of a show. We
Speaker 1: want to invite you too. It's called Night Soap. It's
Speaker 1: part of ours Nova's and Fest and it's at ars
Speaker 1: Nova on June twenty two, Babe at seven pm. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing show. Matt and I are so proud of it.
Speaker 1: We are both in full drag giche uh. The show
Speaker 1: is about two chocolate dynasty's, the Hershey's and the Nestlis,
Speaker 1: warring with each other to fight for who's going to
Speaker 1: be the first chocolate companies to sell chocolate in space.
Speaker 1: This is all true. Um, It's part dynasty, it's part
Speaker 1: war paint. It's just a gag. Come see it. We'd
Speaker 1: love to see there. Seven pm. Tickets are on sale
Speaker 1: right now at Arsnova NYC dot com. The wigs are
Speaker 1: gonna be high, and so are the stakes. It's Night
Speaker 1: Soap and tickets are on sale now. My grandma and
Speaker 1: your grandma was sitting back the FI. My grandma, Grandma,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, fight it's up bad Hum. I like
Speaker 1: go on date Ja and I had to start the
Speaker 1: pod because these queens were nerding out about video games,
Speaker 1: and I said, well, why don't we include everyone. This
Speaker 1: is the first gay with the Wimer that I've had.
Speaker 1: We've had on this, This is true. This is the
Speaker 1: first game. Yes, yeah, we've had on I think, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this after we introduced him. But
Speaker 1: I think I'm dealing with some throat stuff, some vocal
Speaker 1: chamber stuff. Do I sound like I'm dealing with some
Speaker 1: But I think I think our guest is. But let's
Speaker 1: go through the credits, honey, just to preface everything that
Speaker 1: everyone's voices are going to be a little froggy and
Speaker 1: include credits, include Andrews. Before we go through the credits.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one more thing. The A c is running
Speaker 1: because bitch, it is hot. It's a heat wave. It's
Speaker 1: a heat wave. I love's like a heat wave. As
Speaker 1: Martha something once said during the No it wasn't the Sharells.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think it's Martha and the Vandela or
Speaker 1: something like that. And maybe I made up that name
Speaker 1: because it sounds like it could be the Sherrell saying.
Speaker 1: Mama said, okay, the credits, let's do this. Okay, guy code,
Speaker 1: girl code, And you've seen him on seth Meyers honey,
Speaker 1: and he's he's a true icon. I mean you see
Speaker 1: him all around the city headlines carolinees frequently and he
Speaker 1: has his amazing show that he co hosts with Christie Chello,
Speaker 1: Battle of the Divas, and look for that. Yes this
Speaker 1: month June at Union Hall. At Union Hall, it's Matt
Speaker 1: and I've done it. It It was a blast. Matt famously
Speaker 1: beat me Um and Christine Agil are vanquished over Britney Spears.
Speaker 1: But that's we'll get into that absolutely. But I am
Speaker 1: also a loser of the show too, so we'll talk
Speaker 1: all about it everyone. It is my you know good.
Speaker 1: You make me sound so much nicer than I think
Speaker 1: about myself. So I should stop on my shoulder. So
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have a sit on my shoulder. And
Speaker 1: I was picking at it on the sideway like a
Speaker 1: full asshole, and then I was I was literally doing
Speaker 1: it and then sound okay by the way I was saying.
Speaker 1: I had to acknowledge the whole throat thing because I
Speaker 1: I'm very scratchy and I just want to get that
Speaker 1: out of You were vulnerable. You were like Katie Perry
Speaker 1: live streaming, well, oh my god we got do you
Speaker 1: know about this whole Katie? I don't care about her
Speaker 1: or Miley Syris or Taylor Swift. I don't care by
Speaker 1: I think they're all talentless. Thank god Miley. Okay, oh
Speaker 1: we were Indeed, you think Miley's talentless? Yes, I think
Speaker 1: she's horrific. She's got a fine voiced on singing. She
Speaker 1: sounds like beef jerky. I think she sounds like, oh whoa, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think that she does what she talks. She's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so hey, my dad just Billy Ray Cush standard, and
Speaker 1: I should I keep thinking, you know, it's like every
Speaker 1: time I talk to people, it's like I keep feeling
Speaker 1: like I'm the bad person, and then I should I
Speaker 1: should downplay my feelings. But then I watched Wayne Houston.
Speaker 1: I think, you know what, No, you know what, I
Speaker 1: stand by it. And that was the bandard at one time,
Speaker 1: and then before her, the standard was Aretha Franklin, and
Speaker 1: then before that was Judy Garland. Then these bitches better
Speaker 1: step up. Okay, you know what, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot to that. If really think a lot of the
Speaker 1: bullshit that we're tolerating, like in the media, like all
Speaker 1: the feuds and stuff. If we just upped our standards
Speaker 1: on talent, we wouldn't be That's what friend Liebowitz says
Speaker 1: is that is the audience's fault. That art is getting
Speaker 1: worse and worse because everything is becoming more broaden on
Speaker 1: the nose and people can't handle subtleties anymore. That's why
Speaker 1: theater is going down. That's why, like every type of
Speaker 1: art is just being broaden and broad and broughten because
Speaker 1: they have to go down to the audiences level, because
Speaker 1: the audiences are getting stupid and stupid. And you know
Speaker 1: what that reads in almost everywhere. Matteo and I talked
Speaker 1: about friend Lebowitz one night and you were there, Matt,
Speaker 1: we were We want you watch the documentary. I love
Speaker 1: the documentary and it's I watch it probably once a week.
Speaker 1: It's so good. Like her whole thing about Times Square
Speaker 1: is a genius. It's so good. Like she's like people
Speaker 1: keep shooting on Times Square and it's like tourists keep
Speaker 1: coming into New York and shooting on Time Square and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if you don't like it, then like
Speaker 1: tell us because that's for you. Let's take it away.
Speaker 1: If we can like, that's for you. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know what Times Square needs if you're a New Yorker,
Speaker 1: a butcher, a bookshop. She's like, you walk around you
Speaker 1: a tourists the wing to this restaurant, they saying we
Speaker 1: didn't like it, We'll really let us know. So we
Speaker 1: get rid of it and knocked down that fucking red roster.
Speaker 1: And then she has this joke about how Time Square
Speaker 1: is like a gig. It's like the new gay club. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back in the ecause because because it's like now, it's
Speaker 1: like you see someone you know in Times Square and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, what research I came with a friend.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because I'm there every day of my life
Speaker 1: because I worked there and it is truly a bat
Speaker 1: shan insane. Yes, it's like it's funny that we call
Speaker 1: it like commercial and safe, because I think I feel
Speaker 1: least safe there, to be honest. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: other week the car ran through eighteen people that and
Speaker 1: also I just I think, well, what's what's going on
Speaker 1: in the world. I'm now very a lot more conscious
Speaker 1: in the past two years of like terrorism, perhaps, like
Speaker 1: well that's why I moved to man God Bah, I
Speaker 1: couldn't handle that. All the bizzas going on, let's call
Speaker 1: it that, let's call all thes happening in the all
Speaker 1: the pizzazz. My god, I can't handle the pizzazz either,
Speaker 1: and make me a little paranoid when I'm in like
Speaker 1: a place that I know because I'm like target, you know,
Speaker 1: because a target away. It makes me feel crazy because
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not going to happen, but like it
Speaker 1: makes me feel crazy because like we have to feel
Speaker 1: crazying depends called billy stretch and I'll just depends. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to know that lies is not afraid, you know,
Speaker 1: Liesa not being afraid, and God knows she's got reason, Liesa.
Speaker 1: And we love you so much. And now tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit more about these dresses you're telling you
Speaker 1: on the home shopping at work. I broke my knee.
Speaker 1: How did you do that? But do you remember sitting
Speaker 1: around upside down in a hospital. So I started to
Speaker 1: fool around of stuff I love. I had my knee replaced,
Speaker 1: so I was lying around doing anything. I thought, I
Speaker 1: hate this because I started work with Clang. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: she started working with Clay. That's the big takeaway, and
Speaker 1: that she heard her neat guys, we are we're just
Speaker 1: quoting MATEO is quoting. I should say, Uh, this gorgeous
Speaker 1: video Liza on the home shopping now is that real?
Speaker 1: It's really verbatim literally the and the host by the way,
Speaker 1: I mean this one. This this some gate splice together
Speaker 1: the best of Lisa Melli shopping. And she was laying
Speaker 1: like she was in traction. And and Liza could have
Speaker 1: been like face plant a bowl of mashed potatoes and
Speaker 1: the host would still be like, that's right, Liza, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So she was truly just there to like
Speaker 1: be Liza and then just taking calls to oh they
Speaker 1: had a woman called the host is like, aren't we
Speaker 1: have doors on the line? Doors from Georgia. Doris say
Speaker 1: hi to Liza the Nelly today and Lisie goes hi
Speaker 1: Georgia from Doris. My favorite is the woman who's um
Speaker 1: who says and Liza, UM, I love you so much.
Speaker 1: You're so inspired, inspiring to me. You're a mentor to me,
Speaker 1: and you so much in my mentor to my mentor,
Speaker 1: mentor to oh man, is it sadder? Is a truly
Speaker 1: glorious way. I think if you I immediately think of sequence,
Speaker 1: Oh thank you. She's like, you know, she's trying to
Speaker 1: like up cell. So she's like, you lies to wearing
Speaker 1: a bracelet in the host like you can wear four
Speaker 1: or five, and the host goes or what she was
Speaker 1: a bracelets and Liz goes one will do'll do? I
Speaker 1: mean I think you were the one, Matteo to tell
Speaker 1: me that they're putting like lies it out to pasture.
Speaker 1: Liza's putting herself out. Yeah, Liza, Well, she sold her
Speaker 1: apartment in New or because she's moved out to the
Speaker 1: West Coast. It's sort of like when a dog knows
Speaker 1: it's going to die, like goes in the backyard. Cats
Speaker 1: do that too, they go off to run and go
Speaker 1: be by themselves. Yeah, so I'm just going back outside.
Speaker 1: And she's been white knuckling for about twenty five years.
Speaker 1: But I truly love her, so that will be deva
Speaker 1: I will be devastated the day she goes. Matteo tries
Speaker 1: a true roster spirit for the people that he loves,
Speaker 1: because you truly come for the people that you love,
Speaker 1: like I know. Another one is Maria, like deep down
Speaker 1: in your heart, that's a beloved Mariah is an interesting
Speaker 1: one because I for some reason, I can't quite figure
Speaker 1: out why I keep going back to her, Like like
Speaker 1: if I'm on YouTube, like I will, I will end
Speaker 1: up on Mariah Carey High knows there's something alluring about
Speaker 1: Mariah that's different than Whitney. It's different than Christina. Mariah
Speaker 1: fans are peculiar fan. I mean there's yes, it's a
Speaker 1: specific person. It reaches to a certain genre of person persona.
Speaker 1: It just She's I know who it reaches. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is at all. In your
Speaker 1: heart you love Maria. I think you're right an insecure home.
Speaker 1: Everyone that I've met that tells me they love Mariah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And and I know Barbara and Whitney are are truly
Speaker 1: if you know, they're better singers at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I don't I disagree, but I think Mariah
Speaker 1: there's something more attractive about her now technique, okay, the
Speaker 1: runs and all that stuff, Like they're all equal. But
Speaker 1: like as a say, like you're born with a voice.
Speaker 1: I think Whitney was born with a voice. You think
Speaker 1: like on their best day of their life. If you
Speaker 1: put Whitney, Mariah and Barbara and Selene all up there together. Barbara,
Speaker 1: Barbara on the best day of her I would have
Speaker 1: thought when in Houston, you would have said, Matteo, know,
Speaker 1: is sort of the bat catalog of Barbara stuff there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people are people. When they think of Barbara, they think
Speaker 1: of her like, hello, Mike, I'm holding my hands on
Speaker 1: my head like green eggs. You know, she's like a
Speaker 1: total wacko and you know that kind of voice. But
Speaker 1: when she was really in her prime, it was it
Speaker 1: was something pretty wild. Was that clip you showed us
Speaker 1: of her? It was some live concert. She's got her
Speaker 1: full fucking frow out, but she like is belting her
Speaker 1: tits off and then she's like she s. It was
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. It was during the promotion of
Speaker 1: A Star Was Born, and she was singing yeah, and
Speaker 1: her voice though I can't say that what was that?
Speaker 1: It was from Stars Born? I was when I felt
Speaker 1: for you, No, not everything, because she was singing real
Speaker 1: like it was like g G g G every note
Speaker 1: was up there. I have to look it up and
Speaker 1: it was a ballad. All that change things for me
Speaker 1: because yeah, I kind of had this perception of Barbara's
Speaker 1: like hello, gorgeous. It's more like a theatrical singer and
Speaker 1: less like a technical I'm gonna blow you away with
Speaker 1: my range and yes technique and like that like changed
Speaker 1: it for me, and it was like very easy. She
Speaker 1: also has something that Mariah and Whitney don't have, which
Speaker 1: is a perfect passago. So her head voice and chest
Speaker 1: voice are perfectly blended, so she can jump to either one,
Speaker 1: but Whitney could never blend them. Maria can only blend
Speaker 1: them from up to down. And it's not only mid
Speaker 1: mid register, so it's not like when she's way up
Speaker 1: there mid register can go like she did, but Barbara
Speaker 1: can swift flip up with a perfect passago. So to me,
Speaker 1: she just is a natural singer. Like also her face,
Speaker 1: her nose, her cheeks, like her you know, she was
Speaker 1: built like a singer. Sit here, Yeah, it's funny. Later
Speaker 1: on in Maria's career, the register switches were really like
Speaker 1: I remember during like Heartbreaker, like she would jump up
Speaker 1: to those wild notes in those crazy verses a Heartbreaker,
Speaker 1: and it was I almost thought to myself as I
Speaker 1: was like whatever, like twelve years old listening to it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if she recorded these words
Speaker 1: in one take and then the chest voice notes like
Speaker 1: in another take because they sound so different through the
Speaker 1: ring charm bracele. She does it the worst, yes, because
Speaker 1: through the Rain and I love Through the Rand and
Speaker 1: love that song. But it's it is it's too it's distracting.
Speaker 1: It is distracting. She was okay, so like nineties, she'd
Speaker 1: always had that sort of whisper, but she started out
Speaker 1: as a real belter, and she when she would sing
Speaker 1: in her head voice, she would sing in her head voice,
Speaker 1: but there was the blend. It was masked. I think
Speaker 1: a little better really used. But then once she then,
Speaker 1: once Butterfly came out, she decided to really focus on
Speaker 1: that like silky head voice and her because her natural
Speaker 1: like Tessera Tour, was already a little higher who she
Speaker 1: was gonna belt the sound, the jump wasn't so extreme.
Speaker 1: But then the voice started to deteriorate nine and she
Speaker 1: never took care of her voice nodules, and by the
Speaker 1: time she did a Heartbreaker, her voice is good, but
Speaker 1: there's this like it's it's it's kind of it's a
Speaker 1: big different. It just had changed and Whitney's is the same.
Speaker 1: Whitneys is the same. You know what I just listened to.
Speaker 1: I just revisited. It's not right, but it's okay. That's
Speaker 1: the song I was thinking of it. I fucking that
Speaker 1: so good? You will make it a fun and I heard,
Speaker 1: like crazy, my friend the DJ always plays that whenever
Speaker 1: I'm like what, nay, And he knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's he now. He said, so, my friend
Speaker 1: Mitch is the DJ. And I asked him because he
Speaker 1: performs only a gay place, gay this gay that he's first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so and I said who is? Like what music do
Speaker 1: you put on that makes people go dance the most?
Speaker 1: And said number one is Whitney because yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to dance to somebody. How will I know? You move
Speaker 1: to those songs and you just get up so emotional
Speaker 1: cover of I'm every Woman When that beats, you have
Speaker 1: to move. It's not right, but it's okay that that
Speaker 1: dance remix is so iconic. And also I do have
Speaker 1: some tea that it's about to come back to the
Speaker 1: gay community in a big way. That song and that way.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, what all right? This means a
Speaker 1: final performance of Paul that I cannot confirm hers and
Speaker 1: I alight that that song, that song back every year,
Speaker 1: back in our lexicon, and I am so excited about
Speaker 1: you know what I want because I love Mariah's Honey remix,
Speaker 1: which is very similar sort of vibe. I want this
Speaker 1: is okay, okay, and then we can get to we'll
Speaker 1: talk about my child. No, no, this is this is
Speaker 1: this is want. I want to take control of Maria's life.
Speaker 1: Get rid of the manager. I heard she's a horror
Speaker 1: horrible Oh, I asked, trust me, I asked, am I okay,
Speaker 1: Well I can't shouldn't say all right, I'm all right.
Speaker 1: Let's number one. Get rid of the manager, fire everybody
Speaker 1: but the backup singers around her, and get her into
Speaker 1: a detox program. She is bipolar. Her brother came out
Speaker 1: and said she's bipolar and self medicated in a drunk
Speaker 1: and then she'll end up like Whitney. That's what he said.
Speaker 1: So let's get rid of the drugs. Let's get rid
Speaker 1: because it's pill popping. And I want a year of
Speaker 1: you on an island with a physical and a mental
Speaker 1: like guru, and get you mentally and physically back in
Speaker 1: a place where she doesn't care about the music anymore.
Speaker 1: She doesn't care about the singing. She's not. She's completely
Speaker 1: emotionally disconnected and she's lips sinking everything. And so I
Speaker 1: I want her back inform and I don't want her
Speaker 1: to come back and sound like her old self. I
Speaker 1: wanted to come back and sound like the version of
Speaker 1: Mariah because the problem with Mariah's got the makings of
Speaker 1: a great She needs a Ray of Light album where
Speaker 1: I'm saying Mariah is and emancipation is great, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't his emotional as I would say, like Midas of Light,
Speaker 1: where it was a it was amost such a change, true, reinventorrect.
Speaker 1: And I think Mariah, she's by racial. Her sister's HIV positive,
Speaker 1: prostitute her. You know, her father wasn't in her life.
Speaker 1: She's had three divorces, she's she's had ups and downs.
Speaker 1: So much happen to her, and I think as her
Speaker 1: fans evolved, we're ready to evolve with her. I want
Speaker 1: to see a mature Mariah come back and give me.
Speaker 1: Give me an adult album, give me a sad album.
Speaker 1: If your whistle notes are gone, you had him, you
Speaker 1: did him. Who cares? We're done with him? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't care, just come back and give me the story,
Speaker 1: tell us the truth, because you know what, she was
Speaker 1: really able to tell the truth in the beginning of
Speaker 1: her career. Her lyrics were incredible because she cared incredible
Speaker 1: talent as a writer, emotion, and that the album that's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite album music Box, even when she
Speaker 1: was writing years old at twenty years old. And this
Speaker 1: is a person who also arranges all her own music,
Speaker 1: and it's a five active range on top of it.
Speaker 1: This is a true She didn't become a superstar by mistake.
Speaker 1: You nailed it on the hedge. Just now give her
Speaker 1: a year off, tell her to really just come to
Speaker 1: Jesus with all this ship that she's gone through. And
Speaker 1: then like, I don't know, Oh my god, it makes
Speaker 1: me weirdly emotional, to be honest with you. She was
Speaker 1: so huge for me, Like I think that was the
Speaker 1: first album music Box that I ever really found in
Speaker 1: like played and then Butterfly, even though that was like
Speaker 1: the turning port in her career, because that's a great album.
Speaker 1: It was my favorite album I think ever Honey, my
Speaker 1: All when I was playing my All for Henry and like,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe you had to grow up with it.
Speaker 1: Because he didn't really get it. I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this song is so important to me. This song is
Speaker 1: so important to me. See, Mariah's let me down more
Speaker 1: than Whitney and Whitney died. That's the thing is, it's
Speaker 1: Mariam mine as well. You know, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: She's just always like, okay, so New Years right? Um yeah.
Speaker 1: She used the word nonchalantly casually in the song, just
Speaker 1: as a lyric, nonchalantly when I was okay. So I
Speaker 1: was performing a bunch of shows on New Year's right.
Speaker 1: So I have my phone off for most the night
Speaker 1: because I'm out stage. I'm trying to focus. And I
Speaker 1: get off stage and I turned my phone on, and
Speaker 1: I get I'm not making a joke. Seventy I counted
Speaker 1: seventy three text messages out never mind, never mind, Yes, yes, didn't.
Speaker 1: Nicky Laser texted me, I mean, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is Mariah died. What happened? Maria
Speaker 1: died something? And then I watched it and it was worse.
Speaker 1: It was worse. I'm not you know what, but I
Speaker 1: thought good, I'm glad that I thought that would be
Speaker 1: a turning point for her to like sort of refocus
Speaker 1: and she didn't know she didn't. My favorite line is, um,
Speaker 1: do the lift just for laughs, Hey everyone, this is
Speaker 1: a number one hit. The number one. Meanwhile behind her
Speaker 1: is like, doesn't get any whistle tones, doesn't It was
Speaker 1: like the ball dropping and the year changing didn't even happen.
Speaker 1: The number one time topic was what had just gone
Speaker 1: on with Maria Everyone stopped at the party was that
Speaker 1: we didn't have cable. We were all like circled around
Speaker 1: one iPhone. It was such a moment and then people
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop talking about it for like over a week.
Speaker 1: Maria's problem is she does you know, she's not graceful either.
Speaker 1: I mean, one other things I don't like about her
Speaker 1: is her hate towards Ariana Grande, which and then is
Speaker 1: my thing about Ariana. She is a talented young girl.
Speaker 1: I'm crack jokes about her all the time because she
Speaker 1: I said, she has the diction of a fog machine.
Speaker 1: But like, she's not my enemy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Although I did saying Comedy Central that Whitney now can
Speaker 1: sink better than Ariana, but I think she would agree
Speaker 1: with that. Um, yeah, she would agree, she would agree.
Speaker 1: But I think. I think what she pulled off with
Speaker 1: the Manchester uh, the sort of the festival that she
Speaker 1: threw after the attack, I thought that was it was real.
Speaker 1: It was really cool. She did a very cool thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, Maria just anyways, but that's the
Speaker 1: My life is categorized by very few things, and and
Speaker 1: Mariah is one of them. Divas are one of them.
Speaker 1: Let's just like break like to start within. I could
Speaker 1: tell you right now it goes from a leficent to storm,
Speaker 1: to Barbers Rising, to Mariah, to Cleo Lane, then to
Speaker 1: Maria callis okay because we were going to talk about
Speaker 1: Maria Calls. I will cry. I can't even get my
Speaker 1: head around the Maria Kales thing with you. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do now why because you're depth of knowledge about It's
Speaker 1: it's so funny. You were showing us a YouTube video
Speaker 1: and you were able to like stop at at points
Speaker 1: and like science teacher out like getting a seminar. You are.
Speaker 1: That's your favorite video on YouTube, isn't it the one
Speaker 1: where it's using in demo al dult in peto and
Speaker 1: it was showing the notes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's such a great Yeah, I mean, let's start there,
Speaker 1: because we usually ask all of our guests what was
Speaker 1: the culture that like shaped you? That like Sleeping Beauty?
Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty bigger than any the first day and let
Speaker 1: me you know, I didn't realize how big of an impact.
Speaker 1: The two artists of the film that impacted me. Where
Speaker 1: Mark Davis, who's my favorite artists who illustrated Maleficent, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Cuilaiville.
Speaker 1: He was, Yes, he was the fe like when they
Speaker 1: needed drawing the female body is by the way, I
Speaker 1: for those listening, I was an art school and I
Speaker 1: drew TV commercials for and fashion dance forever. Um. This
Speaker 1: is someone who's an incredible comedian, incredible artist, and incredible singer.
Speaker 1: Just what we have on the single desperate I Um.
Speaker 1: The female bodies a very difficult image to sell to
Speaker 1: an audience, and Mark Davis was the king there was.
Speaker 1: They had seven artists who were like the head animators
Speaker 1: of Disney, and they sort of created all the characters
Speaker 1: that we know today from nineteen thirties seven was uh
Speaker 1: snow White all the way up through Jungle Book, which
Speaker 1: is like sixty five. They probably all stopped around the
Speaker 1: seventies at some point. So Mark Davis was a big influence.
Speaker 1: I mean he created Maleficent, UM, and I've an earl
Speaker 1: who was the artistic director for that film. Also, if
Speaker 1: you look at Sleeping Beauty artistics. First of all, most
Speaker 1: Disney films take one and a half to two years
Speaker 1: to make, and a background takes a day to make.
Speaker 1: A Sleeping Beauty took seven years to make, and the
Speaker 1: backgrounds took about a week to make. So I have
Speaker 1: an earl who was a modernist painter at the time,
Speaker 1: was taking these old tapestries from you know, the Renaissance
Speaker 1: and fourteen Central, all these things, and then adapting that
Speaker 1: for Sleeping Beauty, which they also mixed with Traikowski's Sleeping
Speaker 1: Beauty Ball. The whole film is just an artistic masterpiece.
Speaker 1: They literally kind of museum just in that movie. Um,
Speaker 1: but the movie itself. It's funny because I tried to
Speaker 1: link what my connection is with all my sort of upset.
Speaker 1: I'm a very obsessive personality. Are actually we latch onto things.
Speaker 1: So Maleficent is one and Sleeping Beauty the singing, and
Speaker 1: then I I do not tell people this. I am
Speaker 1: a nerd about skyscrapers. I am on a skyscraper message
Speaker 1: board called Skyscraper Forum. I am obsessed with high rise
Speaker 1: construction and super tall skyscrapers all over the world, specifically
Speaker 1: New York. It's you know, New York versus Hong Kong
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and there's the world's three largest skylines, um
Speaker 1: Hong Kong number one. Uh. And the movie. The architecture
Speaker 1: of that movie is the spires, the spires and the castles.
Speaker 1: If you look at it like image wise, I just
Speaker 1: must have soaked up so much that I don't I'm
Speaker 1: subconsciously finding other things in real life that bring me
Speaker 1: back to Sleeping Beauty. So Maria Kalis would be a
Speaker 1: big one for me because the movie was made in
Speaker 1: the fifties when Maria was the queen, and the singer
Speaker 1: for Sleeping Beauty has a very round sound and she's
Speaker 1: a color tour soprano like Maria Kalis. So I'm attracted
Speaker 1: to that that like sort of bottled round sound of
Speaker 1: of an opera singer. And then artistic wise and the
Speaker 1: Maleficent and the it's you know, the whole thing, what
Speaker 1: about Malefics Because my joke is that like she's a
Speaker 1: gay Icon. All her requirements are she has horns and
Speaker 1: she's a count. We're like getting there, um the Pantheon.
Speaker 1: I have. The thing I've drawn the most of my
Speaker 1: life is Maleficent. I would sit when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: My mother is also an illustrator. I think it's genetic.
Speaker 1: She never taught me how to draw. She could just
Speaker 1: tally Mexicans. She had kids. That was her life. But she,
Speaker 1: my brother's sister, and I are all artists. My brother
Speaker 1: is a top designer at Apple, so like the way
Speaker 1: you're he lives in San Francisco. The way your phone
Speaker 1: looks and how it moves and how it's designed. My
Speaker 1: brother does all that, and I illustrated TV. We were
Speaker 1: all sort of artistically. It's genetic, and I would sit
Speaker 1: and draw. I'm not making a joke. I would draw.
Speaker 1: I would go through a ream of paper a week,
Speaker 1: which is five sheets, and my mom would scream at
Speaker 1: me because she would like used them. Because I would
Speaker 1: make one line. If I didn't like it, it went
Speaker 1: to the back and I did it again so it
Speaker 1: was perfect, and my mom would yo, here's that back
Speaker 1: on the paper. I knew I didn't like it, but
Speaker 1: I Maleficent. I drew. I must have drawn her. And
Speaker 1: I also did flip books with post it. I would
Speaker 1: go to Staples and fill post it's up with flip
Speaker 1: books and I would sit and draw all day. My
Speaker 1: Kate cousin would draw too, so him and I would sit.
Speaker 1: So he lived next door to me, so I would
Speaker 1: sit and draw with him. He's not a big Maleficent fan,
Speaker 1: but he's definitely a big faggot, and so we would draw.
Speaker 1: He does, He's not into the Disney movies. Oh I
Speaker 1: love her. Divine Please Ali Johnson or Frank Thomas one
Speaker 1: of those two designed her and based her off of Divine, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the inspiration. Okay, that's so funny that this,
Speaker 1: like the realm of paper was like this beautiful thank you,
Speaker 1: because I mean I like drew a lot as a kid,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't really grow into it as an adult.
Speaker 1: But like the best thing that ever could have happened
Speaker 1: in a week was my dad came home from work
Speaker 1: and stole like five sheets from from the office. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, yes, and I still you know,
Speaker 1: it's sad. As I was thinking about this the other day,
Speaker 1: I'm getting back into portrait painting um, but I because
Speaker 1: I have drawn so much. I was talking to Henry
Speaker 1: about this the other day because it's like I was
Speaker 1: talking to him like he was playing he was like
Speaker 1: tired of something, so he was literally like zombie eyes
Speaker 1: but playing these amazing yea. And at Henry, I said,
Speaker 1: does ever like shock you that, like you in your
Speaker 1: sleep can play the piano like unbelievably well, but like
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter to you. And He's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, now that doesn't matter, but those days where
Speaker 1: you're just like share over it. And I said, I've
Speaker 1: gone to a point in my life where I've drawn
Speaker 1: so much that part of me is just kind of stopped.
Speaker 1: I've stopped sitting and drawing at a table with my imagination.
Speaker 1: And it really makes me sad because it was such
Speaker 1: a personally. I don't know how. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to it. But what do
Speaker 1: you feel that way about? Did you? Do you ever
Speaker 1: feel that way about comedy or stand up or anything
Speaker 1: like that? Stand up is too new to me. I've
Speaker 1: only been doing it five years, so to me, I'm
Speaker 1: still exploring and discovering and finding my voice and getting
Speaker 1: up in front of a crowd, like surges you with
Speaker 1: that adrenaline and I have it's more goal oriented, it's
Speaker 1: it's a new chance. I'm a person who enjoys challenge,
Speaker 1: and it's a new challenge to me. So I'm still
Speaker 1: learning that world. We're drawing. It's like if you told
Speaker 1: me I need you to I can literally draw anything
Speaker 1: you want anything. You can draw anything. Um. But that's
Speaker 1: so funny because this goes back to the thing where
Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, gay people are sort of
Speaker 1: obsessive or not all of us. I'm a very obsessive
Speaker 1: personnel and latched onto things, did not let go. But meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like you do let go of these things. And we
Speaker 1: were just talking about video games before we went on
Speaker 1: air air hit record, and like I for a period
Speaker 1: of time in the last like five this is like
Speaker 1: the best year in gaming in decades, I think. And
Speaker 1: so now I'm finally getting back into stuff because there's
Speaker 1: stuff that's like attracting me. Like for like a solid
Speaker 1: eight years, like I was not playing video games and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's boring whatever like that. Not
Speaker 1: that not that that's a passion or no. But it's
Speaker 1: the same thing where it's like you you give so
Speaker 1: much energy to something and then something happens where just
Speaker 1: something dies about it. You have to come back totally.
Speaker 1: You have to come and you know, I also created
Speaker 1: a cartoon that I spent months. I mean there's to
Speaker 1: me as a as an illustrator artist. I think actually
Speaker 1: all art really does singing, it all functioned the same way.
Speaker 1: The evolutionary process and what inspires it all works same way.
Speaker 1: I think for me, I can't speak on certain people
Speaker 1: as an illustrator, there's only so I've only had less
Speaker 1: than five moments where my skills are up to part.
Speaker 1: I can draw anything I want. It doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: care about it. Where this something happens to where there's
Speaker 1: this this surge of of like when I did my cartoon, right,
Speaker 1: I saw it in my head and I would I don't,
Speaker 1: I can't. I actually can't put it into words. I
Speaker 1: just knew I had to get it all out and
Speaker 1: and in a month I did five hundred drawings, fully colored,
Speaker 1: full drawings, characters, storyboards, outlines, and I literally one day
Speaker 1: I did one last drawing and looked at I said, okay, done,
Speaker 1: and and and that kind of surge where it's like
Speaker 1: it fills you up and you have to get it out.
Speaker 1: Has only happened like five times. Less than five happened
Speaker 1: that there was when I was in I saw him
Speaker 1: talking so much. This is there. There was less than
Speaker 1: that happened. I was in college and we were in
Speaker 1: a storyboarding class and we had to come up with
Speaker 1: like our final piece or whatever, and I was, I
Speaker 1: just I was my my friend, Sophia's Greek, one of
Speaker 1: my neighbors in Chicago, and her mom would do the
Speaker 1: it's called testography where they read the coffee grounds very
Speaker 1: similar to like tea leaves and the Greek coffee cups.
Speaker 1: And something hit me where this story of this girl
Speaker 1: who's Greek and she wants to learn this the ancient tradition,
Speaker 1: and her grandmother, you know, was trying to teach her.
Speaker 1: And one night she went to bed and she was
Speaker 1: visited by this spirit and the spirit took her. She
Speaker 1: fell into the cup and everything started. All the symbols
Speaker 1: came to life, and she you know, this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it just hit me, and I was like, and
Speaker 1: so I did and again, and it has to for me,
Speaker 1: it has to happen within a night. So in a night,
Speaker 1: I did three drawings. I just sat up and I
Speaker 1: just did all the drawings that I probably could until
Speaker 1: I got it out and then it was done. And
Speaker 1: then it's like this feeling of like it out because
Speaker 1: you're intrinsically an artist, I think sometimes like I think
Speaker 1: that's the italing in you. It it's just that kind
Speaker 1: of like you have to get it out. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the way you express yourself. You know, you just
Speaker 1: do it, but it doesn't come like so now, like
Speaker 1: I did Princess Cupcake, which is the name of my card.
Speaker 1: Soon I'm I'm pitching two months from now. That has
Speaker 1: all been an annoying process the entire time, not the
Speaker 1: drawing part, the um. But I don't know the next
Speaker 1: time I'll be that like I've tried to pick up
Speaker 1: and do a comic book, or I've tried to do
Speaker 1: this and that, and my brain is just like, but
Speaker 1: it's fine that you don't know, because you know it
Speaker 1: will happen again. It will happen. That's who you are.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it may you know, it may not,
Speaker 1: it may not, but you know what, like I just
Speaker 1: don't believe that could happen. Because if you think back
Speaker 1: to the beginning of your life, it's been happening right
Speaker 1: whether whether it be in what in any area of
Speaker 1: your life, there comes a time when when you're an artist,
Speaker 1: you have to reveal something new about yourself, or at
Speaker 1: least prove to yourself that you're that that you've changed,
Speaker 1: or when you've learned things. Like for me, it's like
Speaker 1: whenever I write like a new show, I feel so
Speaker 1: accomplished at the end because it's like, Okay, well I
Speaker 1: create it's something that's like a piece of myself. That's
Speaker 1: just I think how some people exist in the world,
Speaker 1: like writers, you know, the way that they get that
Speaker 1: out is by writing, the actors performing, they latch onto
Speaker 1: a piece they feel they connect to it and reveal
Speaker 1: something about themselves. You I think maybe right now in
Speaker 1: your life that's most naturally coming out with art, which
Speaker 1: is like fascinating when you think taking to you have
Speaker 1: so many talents. I would be okay if it came
Speaker 1: even just one more time in my life. I actually
Speaker 1: don't expect it, maybe another fifteen years, but I'm to
Speaker 1: the kind of energy that it is is it's it
Speaker 1: also exhausts you. You know what I mean like it's
Speaker 1: it's an exhausting process, but it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like total Cathar said, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to describe it, but I if it comes in
Speaker 1: ten years from now, it comes, and if it comes earlier,
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, it doesn't. But my skills at least
Speaker 1: will be up to part. I mean, I make sure
Speaker 1: that I still draw every once in a while, so
Speaker 1: I keep up my perfect because that then the skill
Speaker 1: isn't a variable. It's not going to be a question
Speaker 1: mark when you do turned to it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: unlike Mariah, where it's like hopefully when she does go
Speaker 1: back to this like authentic place with her music, like
Speaker 1: her limit will be that she can't like do all
Speaker 1: five octaves, but at least she'll like return to it.
Speaker 1: That's happened to Maria Callis too, is when she wanted
Speaker 1: to go back that the voice wasn't able to do
Speaker 1: what it was able to. That's what sucks about singing.
Speaker 1: It's like athletic. It's being an athlete right. It literally
Speaker 1: it's making me think of I stowed on every single day,
Speaker 1: Like athletics were such a big part of my life,
Speaker 1: Like sports were huge for me. Every single day iran
Speaker 1: six to eight miles and I was like a really
Speaker 1: good track athlete. And that happened all throughout high school.
Speaker 1: And then one day I just stopped and I never
Speaker 1: did it again. And now when I try, when I
Speaker 1: tried to work out the way I did, or just
Speaker 1: try to work out at all, I end up doing
Speaker 1: too much, like really exhausting myself. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's because I'm out of shape. I think it's because
Speaker 1: I'm used to what I was still used to a
Speaker 1: certain exactly, and I think that was with these artists
Speaker 1: the same. It happens artists and athletes so similar. And
Speaker 1: I think that Mariah, I think she's facing the fact
Speaker 1: that she is not the athlete that she was, and
Speaker 1: that is devastating. It's depressing, and that's why age is
Speaker 1: so real. For I think that's why she hates are
Speaker 1: on a grande. She sees premium talent right there and
Speaker 1: it's being used to its full potential at the right time,
Speaker 1: and she's thinking to myself and this is she's thinking
Speaker 1: to herself, and she is like put in an industry
Speaker 1: where she has to think about it. Oh, should. I'm
Speaker 1: old and I can't do what I did, and that
Speaker 1: is the world. Joan Rivers always said, she goes comedy
Speaker 1: will keep you alive forever. She's like, you know I
Speaker 1: would go I mean she died, but you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's I saw her in the last
Speaker 1: three years of her life. And don't even tell me
Speaker 1: that because I never saw her. I did, and I
Speaker 1: saw her to a show on the Lower East Side.
Speaker 1: There was like twenty five people in the audience. I
Speaker 1: wanted to know. It wasn't three years ago, it was year.
Speaker 1: It was my freshman year of college. I was on
Speaker 1: a date with a girl and I saw Joan Rivers
Speaker 1: to stand up and she was still working out jokes.
Speaker 1: She was in her I guess eighties, seventies, eighties, still
Speaker 1: working out jokes. Joan Rivers said, she was like, I
Speaker 1: was at you know, you'll go out. I'll go out
Speaker 1: to lunch with these old Hollywood actresses who are beauties
Speaker 1: in their day, and we walk out on the paparazz
Speaker 1: Can you please move so we can get a picture
Speaker 1: of Joan. She goes comedy will keep you alive forever,
Speaker 1: and I sh she is she is right I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I fell into stand up comedy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I should be drawing for a living, but like part
Speaker 1: of me is happy that I'm doing comedy because it's like,
Speaker 1: at least maybe that will keep me sharp forever. You've
Speaker 1: got You've got, like, you know, a post to like
Speaker 1: that you can go and touch and like so that
Speaker 1: you can like be in the sort of the comedy
Speaker 1: camp for a little bit and then inevitably you'll end up.
Speaker 1: Comedy is the world I feel most. I've always felt
Speaker 1: a little outside of every circle group I've ever been in.
Speaker 1: I always feel little on the outside or not accepted.
Speaker 1: Comedy is the first place that I feel totally accepted,
Speaker 1: and I think it's big has you know, I'm with
Speaker 1: these stand up comedians every night who are weirdos. They're
Speaker 1: weird people, you know, And it's just the first place
Speaker 1: I've ever like. That's why I love comedy. Two is
Speaker 1: because I feel like I finally have a home. Like
Speaker 1: after thirty years, I'm like, oh, I finally have a
Speaker 1: group of people who likes me for being I don't
Speaker 1: have to feel insecure, you know, all these things, So
Speaker 1: you I think, hit me with the best joke I've heard,
Speaker 1: and like maybe two or three years you went off
Speaker 1: on this tirade about Rachel Ray and her blow job voice.
Speaker 1: I just loved it because I was always like thinking,
Speaker 1: what is it about Rachel Ray? And I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Once she said he, I was like, yeah, it's her
Speaker 1: blow job voice, b J blowjob. She just I mean
Speaker 1: that shows so stressful. I can't see anything. And she
Speaker 1: said a precedent for the Food Network to be the
Speaker 1: most stressful network on television. We don't. Why do I
Speaker 1: don't want to see a meal maide in thirty minutes?
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch a pudgy, little Italian woman
Speaker 1: who can barely reach the counter run around with a
Speaker 1: clock countdown behind her as if a bomb is going
Speaker 1: to go off. I mean, they might as well have
Speaker 1: sniper lights on her head while she's trying to get
Speaker 1: her EV When you have to shorten olive oil, it's
Speaker 1: a bad show. And she's like, okay, Like and name
Speaker 1: emeal right now. You're not name Amelia of hers? That's
Speaker 1: been good name one because I don't know does she
Speaker 1: even do signature meals? She just it's it's all burnt chicken.
Speaker 1: I mean she does like lasagna and a mug. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's listen. Listen. If you were
Speaker 1: in the eighties and you went in a coma and
Speaker 1: you woke up and you saw Richard, what you would
Speaker 1: say the gremlins. But I mean it's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: I just think, like, like cooking is not supposed to
Speaker 1: be this thing that's supposed to be stressful and get
Speaker 1: it done fast. And I mean I grew up in
Speaker 1: a house where my mother forced me, my brother and
Speaker 1: sister to cook with her every night, and it was
Speaker 1: I loved it. We would make pizza Joe, we put
Speaker 1: this together out then it has to rise, and so
Speaker 1: you wait till rise and you go back and then
Speaker 1: it's risen and it's exciting for the kids. Or you
Speaker 1: make meatballs or sauce. I mean, it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: this thing that's like a cultural pass down or something
Speaker 1: that's like full of love, or something that's not supposed
Speaker 1: to be like marketing rushed through it. Yes. Now are
Speaker 1: you the kind of Italian that could never set foot
Speaker 1: in an alf garden? Oh? I've gone to alv Garden
Speaker 1: a few times in my life. A few times I
Speaker 1: think that Trump is the Olive Gardener's presidency. There you go,
Speaker 1: that's that read that makes sense. I mean David Mamzona,
Speaker 1: he won't even go in. I mean if I would
Speaker 1: never choose to go to an alve garden. I mean
Speaker 1: I'm a snob in all sense when it comes to
Speaker 1: pizza and good red sauce. Yes, I'm a snob when
Speaker 1: it comes to this. If you want good pizza, go
Speaker 1: to Ribalta. It's on twelve Team Broadway. It's authenticated by
Speaker 1: the EU and not Belitan government from Italy to be
Speaker 1: Veda Pizza, which is Veim true pizza. And if they
Speaker 1: like sell ranch dressing, their find a thousand dollars and
Speaker 1: it is and everyone's from it, and it's kitty corner
Speaker 1: to the strand everyone in there from Italy. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we talked past. Okay. I just want to
Speaker 1: say one thing, and and just I mean this literally,
Speaker 1: they don't make them like Matteo Lane anymore because you
Speaker 1: you have someone here who like has his values, sticks
Speaker 1: to them, and they are they are linked back to
Speaker 1: a lineage, a tradition that you know what you can't
Speaker 1: Sully and and and for the people who do then
Speaker 1: they get red for fealth. That's beautiful, Matteo. I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, that's so nice of you, you know what,
Speaker 1: because I I feel like a fucking fraud whenever someone's like,
Speaker 1: what's a great I mean, first of all, people who
Speaker 1: come up to me and don't know me and who
Speaker 1: are like, what's a good dim sum place, I'm like,
Speaker 1: sunk off, but I don't know. I don't know. People
Speaker 1: ask me what's a good pizza Italian place? And I say,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I say Robota. I also had
Speaker 1: to seek that when I when I came to New York,
Speaker 1: because I had my haunts in Chicago. We have a
Speaker 1: Sunday night with my aunt Cindy's house. But then we
Speaker 1: had a place called Felini, which is the people are
Speaker 1: from the exact same town in Sicily my grandpa's from,
Speaker 1: which is like a people it's called Divago if anyone's
Speaker 1: been there. And uh so that was like a place
Speaker 1: I would go to in Chicago for good red sauce
Speaker 1: and it was essentially my family's cooking because we're from
Speaker 1: the same area of Italy. But when I came to
Speaker 1: New York, I had to have my I had to
Speaker 1: have my good sauce Michel, so I had to seek that.
Speaker 1: There's another good Sicilian place called Picco Docucina on Prince
Speaker 1: in Spring and it's all Sicilians who work there, and
Speaker 1: they've got great it's like sort of like a top us,
Speaker 1: But Sicilian Piccolo Couciina cute kitchen was like a little little,
Speaker 1: little little kitchen, kitchen, a little kitchen, little kitchen, pichina.
Speaker 1: This is kind of reminded me of how um, whenever
Speaker 1: anyone asked me, excuse me, do you know more than
Speaker 1: nearest McDonald's is. I can always tell, but you were
Speaker 1: literally yeah. But the thing is, I'm not connected to
Speaker 1: that greekness. Like it's so funny like Greek. Well, his
Speaker 1: face when they had when they have drawings of a
Speaker 1: Greek profile, there's Romans, there's different Mediterraneans themselves from Egypt
Speaker 1: to Italy share common traits, our eyes, our noses. But
Speaker 1: this face from the side is literally what you see
Speaker 1: in Greek statues. Its flat nose that goes down like this,
Speaker 1: and then the chin that comes out like that, and
Speaker 1: then the big almond eyes. I mean, you literally are
Speaker 1: a Greek face. I have a very Greek way about me.
Speaker 1: The thing is, I wish I was more Greek in
Speaker 1: terms of percentage. I'm like, it's but like I wish
Speaker 1: I could like commit to something like it's not. I'm
Speaker 1: like arguing with my own I'm culturally half Italian, but
Speaker 1: I'm really only a quarter because the other quarters Mexicana
Speaker 1: and then my dad's Irish. See but even like I
Speaker 1: don't know any of the Greek language. Yea, I wish.
Speaker 1: I saw my big fat Greek wedding and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get this, and I was like, that's because everyone
Speaker 1: gets this, but also like people that really it really
Speaker 1: is my child. That's a great movie. I revisit My
Speaker 1: mom is. My mom's real dad is Mexican, but he left.
Speaker 1: So here's the story on him. He Joaquin Maldonado. Um,
Speaker 1: I have an uncle who is younger than me because
Speaker 1: he had so many kids outside of the marriage. So, um,
Speaker 1: my mom's one of seven, but actually she's probably one
Speaker 1: of like eighteen. But the seven that she knows, um,
Speaker 1: five of them are Italian Mexican. And my grandpa had
Speaker 1: was a hitman in the mafia, so his job but
Speaker 1: he was like a low end guy. So he like,
Speaker 1: if you owed money, he'd break your legs. So he
Speaker 1: would like he was such a horrible father. He would
Speaker 1: leave the house for like months at a time. My
Speaker 1: mother had a horrible childhood. She was essentially raised by
Speaker 1: her grandparents from Italy, but um, my grandpa um had
Speaker 1: another family and named those kids the same name as
Speaker 1: my grandma's kids, but so he wouldn't confuse them. Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, insane. So my mom when she was twelve, Mike,
Speaker 1: they got a divorce, and then my grandma remarried a
Speaker 1: Sicilian who was blind. But he's a judge and he's
Speaker 1: got a whole other fascinating story. So my mom lost
Speaker 1: all connection to her Mexican grandparents, her cousins, her everyone Mexican,
Speaker 1: and like my grandma just shut them out, which is
Speaker 1: the most unhealthy way to deal with something. But so
Speaker 1: technically stream well, she and my grandma was, I mean,
Speaker 1: she was, I'm saying. My mom reconnected with her father
Speaker 1: when she was thirty. She sought him and her sisters
Speaker 1: sought him, and my grandma when she found out, was
Speaker 1: furious and they fought real long and hard about that.
Speaker 1: But my mom sat down with her real dad and
Speaker 1: asked them every question, said you know he She said,
Speaker 1: he owned up to everything, and he apologized. And when
Speaker 1: he died, they went to his funeral and like nine
Speaker 1: other brothers and sisters came up with the same names.
Speaker 1: Because my mom's real last name is Meldonado, which is
Speaker 1: a Mexican name, but should that's changed to Pomarow when
Speaker 1: she and my grandma somehow got her birth certificate changed.
Speaker 1: That is the most Italian ship I've ever seen in
Speaker 1: my entire life. My mother's birth certificate changed from Cheryl
Speaker 1: Meldonado to Cheryl Pomaro. I don't know if she did that.
Speaker 1: You can do it, God bless no they change. That's
Speaker 1: in sane to meet someone that literally has your name.
Speaker 1: Because your father had another family, there's another literally to you,
Speaker 1: to him meldon A, Cindy Meldonado, a Deborah Meldonado, Joaquin
Speaker 1: your and my grandma. I shouldn't be saying it's my grandmo.
Speaker 1: My I have an uncle Jack. His birth name is
Speaker 1: Joaquin Meldonado. My grandma changed it to Jack Pomarow. God
Speaker 1: bless this grandmother of you. Well, my grandma, you we
Speaker 1: you should have her on this show. What's her culture.
Speaker 1: Sound like my grandma. Well, she wears a housecoat. Um,
Speaker 1: she doesn't stop running. She's eighty one. Um, she's obsessed
Speaker 1: with pop culture. You could call my grandma right now.
Speaker 1: She could tell you anything you want to know about
Speaker 1: pop culture. She knows everything about sports because my grandpa's blind,
Speaker 1: so she has to read the sports section to him.
Speaker 1: So now my grandma knows the trading and all that
Speaker 1: other stuff. Um. She My Grandma's fascinating. I talked to
Speaker 1: my grandparents probably twice a week. Wait where is she?
Speaker 1: And she's Chicago. Beautiful Chicago boy, Um mateo, Lane, we
Speaker 1: don't talk about Chicago enough. I feel like you've like
Speaker 1: fully like left that behind or is that not fair
Speaker 1: to say? No, No, you're right in a way, I
Speaker 1: think I was. I love that I come from Chicago
Speaker 1: in Chicago is such a beautiful city and and what
Speaker 1: an amazing city to grow up in, I mean just
Speaker 1: culturally and the down I mean everything about it. I
Speaker 1: went to school there, went to school the Artistitute of Chicago. Um,
Speaker 1: and very best started school in the country. Um I uh,
Speaker 1: and I almost didn't go to college. I was so
Speaker 1: horrible in high school. Um. I hate that that holds
Speaker 1: people back high school, I was every day I would
Speaker 1: come home and cry. I was made fun of constantly.
Speaker 1: I was a loser. I was um, just full of shame.
Speaker 1: And in therapy, I'm really working because the one thing,
Speaker 1: my biggest thing in life is just needing to be
Speaker 1: liked by people. And I had such a struggle with
Speaker 1: that my entire life that everything from my physical appearance
Speaker 1: to inside, I am constantly still trying to shed those
Speaker 1: those um feelings. What did they say about you in
Speaker 1: high school? Faggot and make fun of me? And you
Speaker 1: laugh at me? And I mean I would I had
Speaker 1: I to the point where I had does I knew
Speaker 1: what halways to walk in, what periods to avoid certain people.
Speaker 1: So it was and I just remember and I tried
Speaker 1: to do choir and I tried to do um uh
Speaker 1: show choir, and I was so I couldn't handle. I
Speaker 1: mean now, I have a good sense of humor, and
Speaker 1: that that came from the years of I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: but it it just took such a long time to
Speaker 1: get overcaring what will think about me, and it's still
Speaker 1: to this stage. Things. I was in Ohio two weeks ago,
Speaker 1: I called faggot three times in a day. God, and
Speaker 1: I but I mean no, I mean just just when
Speaker 1: you were on stage, I wasn't. I was going to Starbucks.
Speaker 1: I got what was called a drive by faggot. So
Speaker 1: I'm standing there. It just sounded like, I know, it
Speaker 1: really hurts. It sticks with you so much. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. A lot of the way that
Speaker 1: I've chosen to dress over the past five or six
Speaker 1: years are subconsciously always in my mind. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be called faggots, Like I can't
Speaker 1: wear this. I mean, that is something that gay people
Speaker 1: think about. That that and I'm sure women deal with obviously,
Speaker 1: and just like, God, what am I gonna wear exactly?
Speaker 1: What with gay men is different than it is with women,
Speaker 1: And for me, it's specific. It's specifically like how can
Speaker 1: I butch up? And I always say this, I always
Speaker 1: make fun of the healths kitchen gaze about this, but
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it too. How can I best dress
Speaker 1: up like the guys that made fun of me in
Speaker 1: high school so that I look like them so they
Speaker 1: won't target me today. I have a group of friends
Speaker 1: that I've found over the past year that I've they're
Speaker 1: not comedy related, Bob, but like they're they're just so
Speaker 1: wonderfully like my friend, my friend Patty is. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my heart swells when I think of Patty. He's five
Speaker 1: of five, long red hair, walks around the winter. He
Speaker 1: lives in Washington Heights and has a giant fur coat
Speaker 1: and doesn't give us and smokes and just what called
Speaker 1: I mean he, I mean, they just they're just living there.
Speaker 1: That's like my inspiration for you know, it's so funny. Okay,
Speaker 1: how much time do we have? Time? Okay, So I
Speaker 1: was talking about this today with my therapist about how
Speaker 1: when I'm on stage, I'm still struggling. Like last night,
Speaker 1: I did Hartford, Connecticut, so the majority of the audience
Speaker 1: doesn't know who I am, and they are straight. I mean,
Speaker 1: i performed with straight people every single lot, and I'm
Speaker 1: still coming out of the closet. I'm still dealing with
Speaker 1: my sexuality and I and you know what's crazy. I did. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I've done. I've technically done too late night sets.
Speaker 1: Only one of them aired. Oh yes, I did. Fills
Speaker 1: me with rage every time I reminded of two years
Speaker 1: ago I did a late night set, and we will
Speaker 1: not name who it is because I whatever. I guess
Speaker 1: that's the appropriate thing to do. And for two months,
Speaker 1: you know, they call you first and say we want
Speaker 1: to work with you and get you on late night.
Speaker 1: Said awesome, and then you work out your material and
Speaker 1: blah blahlah blah, and we figured out a set. We've
Speaker 1: gotten down perfectly, send in the transcripts and I got
Speaker 1: what you're wearing. Yes, oh yes, I might have not
Speaker 1: my stomach saying this story right now. Um, And it's
Speaker 1: not a pity me, but it's so whatever. Um. I
Speaker 1: did the show, I flew out, I filmed it. I
Speaker 1: did the show, and then they say, well, we'll air
Speaker 1: it like a week later. Two days later, I got
Speaker 1: a call from the producer and she said that in
Speaker 1: the way she I could find her finding her words.
Speaker 1: I could hear her finding her words. My opening joke
Speaker 1: was I sing opera. And then I say that's how
Speaker 1: it came out to my dad, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: we love your first joke, and we'll say his name
Speaker 1: is Tom. Tom loves your first joke. Uh, but we feel,
Speaker 1: we think, we feel that you will you should just
Speaker 1: stray away from that for the rest of the set,
Speaker 1: and I said, what do you mean, yeah, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: now they want to come back to film and I said, um, okay,
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, can I I knew what
Speaker 1: were this was going, so I was testing her. So
Speaker 1: I said, well, can I talk about dating? Well, we would?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that we would just feel comfortable
Speaker 1: if you just you know, we want to see the
Speaker 1: fun mateo. We want to just see the different side
Speaker 1: of mateo, you know, and and let's not hit the
Speaker 1: same point over and over again. Fun for them. And
Speaker 1: I said, well, can I talk to my brother? You know,
Speaker 1: I just feel that Tom thinks that we would we would.
Speaker 1: It would really be in our best interests if we
Speaker 1: would just avoid that, Tom pick, will you let's get
Speaker 1: it out up front and then let's just move on
Speaker 1: to other things. And so I called my manager and
Speaker 1: her and I got into a fight and then I
Speaker 1: said no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: And it sent me into here's what I'm happy. It happened,
Speaker 1: strangely enough, one a year later, on August the exact
Speaker 1: same day, I did seth Myers, who had the same day,
Speaker 1: and no one had any they were so wonderful. They
Speaker 1: were like, do whatever you want. I mean they I didn't.
Speaker 1: I got not a single note. They said, do whatever
Speaker 1: the funk you want. It's a great yes, oh thank you.
Speaker 1: And but yes, it was great that I could say
Speaker 1: what I wanted to. But at the time, like I
Speaker 1: think a year year and I think it was how
Speaker 1: long ago was August not that time, It's like ten
Speaker 1: year and a half ago. I was in such a
Speaker 1: bad place mentally. I think it's a comic. I got
Speaker 1: a lot early, and it swells your head with the
Speaker 1: wrong idea of what's important. And so at my at
Speaker 1: that time, at that time, the focus was credits mean everything, everything,
Speaker 1: This means everything, and I became obsessed. And when that
Speaker 1: thing happened with Tom and that late show, I crumbled
Speaker 1: because I didn't know what was important to replacing a
Speaker 1: lot on them. And it was also dealing with everything
Speaker 1: from my sexuality to my identity to everything about high school.
Speaker 1: I mean, all those demons came back up, right, But
Speaker 1: at that point, it's like that's on them, that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily on you, thinking oh, well, credits mean everything, but
Speaker 1: it's absolutely mean you got I mean, you got that
Speaker 1: on them, but they're in power. And that's what's frustrating,
Speaker 1: and that's the unique predicament of it. It's like, I
Speaker 1: know this is wrong, and you know what, I can
Speaker 1: tell in the timber of your voice that you know
Speaker 1: this is and yet we're still doing this. This woman
Speaker 1: knew she was wrong, and Tom knows he's wrong. I
Speaker 1: actually think though, because what's funny is like right after that,
Speaker 1: I had gotten a ton of road work with Lisa
Speaker 1: Traeger and so every week and her and I were
Speaker 1: out on the road and she's like Russian immigrant refugee,
Speaker 1: tough cunt, and she did not let me feel sorry
Speaker 1: for myself and she really helped me focus and other
Speaker 1: people too in my life obviously, but Lisa was a
Speaker 1: main factor of now I feel so different. I feel
Speaker 1: like my main focus is the most important thing, our
Speaker 1: relationships and and nurture the friends in your life. That
Speaker 1: really means something too, because that's the most important thing.
Speaker 1: And number two, care about what you're talking about on stage,
Speaker 1: being on stage, care about the things you're saying, care
Speaker 1: about that, make sure the work is good. Everything else
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because you know Lisa, Lisa brought up
Speaker 1: a good point to me too, because a lot of
Speaker 1: people get stuff or someone gets this or someone gets that,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, Lisa goes the Macareno was a
Speaker 1: hit at one time, and now you know, are you
Speaker 1: is this so race or we in it for the
Speaker 1: long run? You know, I plan on doing this the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. So I don't care if so
Speaker 1: and so does this sort of so and so does that.
Speaker 1: I'm still doing this and I that was something that
Speaker 1: never occurred to me, and so I think the past
Speaker 1: year has been a huge shift in my perspective mentally
Speaker 1: of what is important to me and what the outlook
Speaker 1: on life should be. But I mean, even like I
Speaker 1: think when I met you, probably, I mean I was
Speaker 1: in that that that mental and I can see some
Speaker 1: other comedians now who are in that mentality and it's
Speaker 1: a prison. And I'm not saying I'm better for it,
Speaker 1: but i still struggle with things, but at least I'm
Speaker 1: working hard to move past. I think it's more difficult
Speaker 1: for you guys in the stand up world. I really do.
Speaker 1: I think I think that's why you see a lot
Speaker 1: of comedians coming out later in life. A lot of
Speaker 1: people that are that are doing stand up right now
Speaker 1: that are closeted, that are very sick, I know, a
Speaker 1: very famous. But but the thing is, I think in
Speaker 1: the world of sketching, in the world of improv and
Speaker 1: the kind of like UCB community, it's more insulated. So
Speaker 1: that is one thing is you feel like I'm not
Speaker 1: really getting what it's like to perform for like an
Speaker 1: audience of people in midtown like you are. But it
Speaker 1: also feels more safe. I mean, it's very safe for
Speaker 1: the gay community. I think it's very safe for the
Speaker 1: most part, for women and for you know, racial minorities. Um.
Speaker 1: But then you step you take one step out, and
Speaker 1: it's the stand up world, and it is more vicious.
Speaker 1: Audiences are more unforgiving. Yeah, people, I think some comedians,
Speaker 1: some non stand up comedians, see the way I behave
Speaker 1: sometimes towards audiences and think that I am like vicious,
Speaker 1: like spinning venom. But listen, girl, there are three there
Speaker 1: are four stand up gay men doing it in the
Speaker 1: city and only two of us doing clubs. And first
Speaker 1: of all, like Joel, now, I don't ever see Joel.
Speaker 1: And the reason is there's you can't put two gay
Speaker 1: people on the same line, which sucks because then I
Speaker 1: don't get a chance to see my friends, and I
Speaker 1: never see totally different sets to completely different people. And
Speaker 1: you know, people can't disassociate the gay thing. They see
Speaker 1: me and Joel and say they're both gay. We're gonna
Speaker 1: hear the same thing. Don't book them, And so Joel
Speaker 1: and I never see each other, and I'm literally out.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in the truth, I've been chased out by Turkish
Speaker 1: guys for Turkish guys who called me a fagot. And
Speaker 1: the show, well, it was one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, listen, stand ups are not
Speaker 1: soft people. You know, my friends are these people? Are?
Speaker 1: There are some So you got into it with them?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I said, Really, I said, I'm the faggot.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. It's one o'clock in the morning on
Speaker 1: a Saturday, and I'm seeing four men together table and
Speaker 1: not a woman to be found watching a gay man
Speaker 1: perform on stage. Who's the fagot? Now they chased me out.
Speaker 1: I had to go through the kitchen to get out.
Speaker 1: I've been heckled at most shows. I'm heckled most shows.
Speaker 1: People say something gay, something homophobics, And every night I
Speaker 1: get on stage and I say who is gay, and
Speaker 1: maybe a hand goes up. So I'm performing. But also
Speaker 1: that's different from what we experienced. Gay men do not
Speaker 1: and listen don't know sad song for me. I love
Speaker 1: my life and I love these shows. You've got more
Speaker 1: money than us too. Well that's for the bait. But
Speaker 1: you know, like gay men also have a real problem
Speaker 1: with gay men performing. That's not or not a go
Speaker 1: go boy. Yeah, talk a little bit about that. Well,
Speaker 1: Joel and I actually just Joel texted me the other day.
Speaker 1: We were chatting about that because I mean, I did
Speaker 1: an AIDS event once in Chicago, got booed off on
Speaker 1: my stage. Well I let them, I let them have it. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope. So first of all, I play. I performed
Speaker 1: in a place that used to be called manhole. Secondly,
Speaker 1: they was doing this show. It was a benefit for AIDS,
Speaker 1: and they would have like crochet jock straps on porn stars,
Speaker 1: and then they had the porn stars go up first,
Speaker 1: so the sex sex sex for fifteen minutes, and then
Speaker 1: they did an intermission, and then they all come back
Speaker 1: and then they go okay, now comedy and I go
Speaker 1: on stage. I'm on stage for two minutes struggling to
Speaker 1: get anyone's attention. No one's listening to me, and so
Speaker 1: I said, is anyone gonna listen? And this one guy
Speaker 1: y else he goes, yeah, well listen if you put
Speaker 1: on a jock strap. And so then I go off
Speaker 1: and I say, oh, I get it. Because I'm not
Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin or the ghost of Joan Rivers. You assholes
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about me. I say, but you
Speaker 1: you won't support your own performers, but you'll support that
Speaker 1: weekend at Bernie's in Vegas called Britney Spears, And then
Speaker 1: they started booing. But then I doubled down. I was
Speaker 1: like Christina as a cunt. I'm sure you're all mask
Speaker 1: tops and you can all funk. I did six minutes
Speaker 1: and was the sound of two men booing. You is
Speaker 1: one I'll never forget. And I get off stage and
Speaker 1: I walk and I go into the green where there's
Speaker 1: seven porn stars staring at me like I made the
Speaker 1: wrong choices in life. I mean, it was a night
Speaker 1: I was thinking yesterday actually about why RuPaul's drag race
Speaker 1: is such a sensation. It's one of the only ways
Speaker 1: that gay men can become stars. Think about that, Like
Speaker 1: there are there are very few gay men who are
Speaker 1: like actual stars. I mean you've got Neil Patrick Harris,
Speaker 1: You've got Matt Boehmer, and then like whatever you could
Speaker 1: list the rest, and they're becoming more. But that's because
Speaker 1: they're so fucking incredibly hot their Instagram, like you call
Speaker 1: them lobotomy or just those Instagram out as. You know,
Speaker 1: these that are so dumb, they've they've they've come from
Speaker 1: a lobotomy. Yeah. You know what's so funny is like
Speaker 1: I have a whole joke on this right now where
Speaker 1: it'say gay men are. First of all, they don't even
Speaker 1: give gay roles to gay people, they give those straight people.
Speaker 1: And number two are only other options are robots. Every
Speaker 1: robot's gay. First of all three are two is a lesbian.
Speaker 1: She came with a tool belt. Listen to the Barber
Speaker 1: Streisan version of Hello Dolly and Michael Fastbender and Alien
Speaker 1: and Ash from the original Alien died into Boukaki. I
Speaker 1: mean that's our only options is where robots. You saw
Speaker 1: the New Alien where he kisses himself just so stupid.
Speaker 1: But I loved it, but awful. I loved it too.
Speaker 1: But the Joel and I saw together like it was
Speaker 1: with Amber Nelson and to watch it with both of you.
Speaker 1: When you want to go to a scary movie, you
Speaker 1: go with Amber Nelson because literally one time we took
Speaker 1: to see Annabell Member that dumb movie about the dollar.
Speaker 1: So oh no, no, no, no, no, Amber talk and
Speaker 1: I'm oh, she gets real quiet, right, and like an
Speaker 1: Amber and a full theory will just go oh fun.
Speaker 1: I mean it's great, I can hear that. Just okay,
Speaker 1: But no, it's like what you were just saying, Matt,
Speaker 1: and what it was, what Mateo was just saying, And
Speaker 1: it's what Guy Brandum says all the time. It's that
Speaker 1: unless you're a drag queen, a gogol boy, or a
Speaker 1: fucking porn star game. Let me just say I think
Speaker 1: through through my experience so far, and I think it's
Speaker 1: like me and James Joan, who's been putting in the
Speaker 1: work for a long time, Guy Brandam, Julio, Joel, you know,
Speaker 1: in the world of stand stand up, I'm just talking
Speaker 1: stand with specific here. We are putting in the work
Speaker 1: and I hope that we're being shown, you know, like
Speaker 1: late night sets and half hours and specials, and it's
Speaker 1: slowly becoming more acceptable, and I'm finding that audiences are
Speaker 1: also more open to hearing about my life and curious.
Speaker 1: And I find that a lot of men, uh do
Speaker 1: not know gay people in their lives that their friends with,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm opening a door for these people to
Speaker 1: show them a little bit into our world and to
Speaker 1: and to also hopefully show that we're more like than
Speaker 1: we are different. I try to bridge that gap as
Speaker 1: much as I can in my stand up. But you're
Speaker 1: an ambassador to them. You're an ambassador to them. And
Speaker 1: then you guy Joel James, uh, you know, Julio John.
Speaker 1: You guys are blazing the trail. It's it's beautiful to see,
Speaker 1: it really is. And I think the good thing too
Speaker 1: is all of us are friends, and I mean we
Speaker 1: may not talk every day, but I love these Tim
Speaker 1: Dylan is a big one. Um. Yeah, and Frankly Atti,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a group of us who are doing
Speaker 1: it and they're not doing it in just the gay scene,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that, but we're I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it's great and a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: I got criticism from older comics when I first came
Speaker 1: out because I was getting a lot and people would say, oh,
Speaker 1: how did you find your voice so quickly? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: gay people were forced to find our voices when we
Speaker 1: were thirteen years old. We were suffering from demons. And
Speaker 1: you're talking about staples. You know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: it's like it's a a friend thing. It's a different thing.
Speaker 1: You had to just develop that sensibility as a defense mechanism.
Speaker 1: You really did, so, Patty Harrison says all the time,
Speaker 1: And I really think about that a lot. Um. Wait,
Speaker 1: I just want to get back to this whole Tom debacle.
Speaker 1: But I remember, like in the weeks leading up to that,
Speaker 1: to that first set recording, the three of us were
Speaker 1: at Kellog's Diner in Williamsburg. We were in this section
Speaker 1: and we had the waitress with the goofiest fucking voice
Speaker 1: and the worst mac and cheese and the worst mac
Speaker 1: and cheese. Oh my god, I remember her. She definitely like, Hey,
Speaker 1: it was really you want and change? Yeah, okay, and
Speaker 1: then she flew through a wall. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: she ever said a llegible like not legible and intelligible,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't think that there
Speaker 1: was ever a moment where I really was confident in
Speaker 1: knowing what she was saying, and it was it was
Speaker 1: I want to say, it was not a language thing.
Speaker 1: It was a specific the boy the voice, Okay, it
Speaker 1: was just it was beaker from the well. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy you brought that back into remember that, and I
Speaker 1: remember we ordered mac and cheese without bacon. They brought bacon,
Speaker 1: and they brought bacon and with like little cheese. Also,
Speaker 1: don't order the mac and trees that kellogs down to you, guys.
Speaker 1: It's literally it's it's so bad. It's and Lisa one times,
Speaker 1: like you said it was the best in the city.
Speaker 1: I was like, you obviously heard me wrong. And I
Speaker 1: have multiple eyewitnesses to the bottom of the barrel bad.
Speaker 1: It's like literally like what you get it, like the
Speaker 1: fucking Dwayne rate. There you go. We can corroborate this
Speaker 1: for Mateo on behalf of Mateo to Lisa, Mateo, Matt
Speaker 1: and I hated it. I even talking about Maria Kallis.
Speaker 1: I love this whole thing. I don't want to take
Speaker 1: up your guys this time. I feel like I'm wasting
Speaker 1: everyone time. Let's talk for a second about Maria cost
Speaker 1: We don't it doesn't have to be the lecture. I mean,
Speaker 1: in order to see the lecture on you have to
Speaker 1: be with mat On Maria cost You have to seek
Speaker 1: out single, single pay, pay eight dars for an eight
Speaker 1: week class. Yeah, give us like the prime bridge bridge
Speaker 1: to tell us who she was, because the children are
Speaker 1: not going to know whom Mariday. Tell us what she was.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll keep it very brief. Ride Kallis was
Speaker 1: an opera singer American born Greek descent, moved back to
Speaker 1: Greece during the war. Had to learn at the Conservatoire
Speaker 1: in Greece and sell things to the black market order
Speaker 1: to keep her family alive. She also went in She
Speaker 1: was supposed to be eighteen. She was a big girl,
Speaker 1: so she lied she was thirteen. She learned early. She
Speaker 1: learned from a Color Tours soprano, and Maria had a big,
Speaker 1: heavy voice, but she learned. It's almost like Avatar last Airbender,
Speaker 1: like firebenders who learned water bending moves. It's like she
Speaker 1: was a firebender who learned water bending and it was
Speaker 1: more fluid. Pavarotti also learned how to breathe from a
Speaker 1: Color Touri soprano, and that's why he was so fluid
Speaker 1: from Joan Sutherland. She taught him how to breathe. That's
Speaker 1: why Paparata could do trills, which a man to do
Speaker 1: trills is like, that's insane, um man trill um. She
Speaker 1: was a big, fat singer, had a huge range, could
Speaker 1: sing anything for the female voice. Um. And she married
Speaker 1: this old part named Meneghini, who was this Italian businessman,
Speaker 1: and then she lost a hundred pounds in less than
Speaker 1: a year and became the fashion icon of the world
Speaker 1: and had and had like yes, but she had a
Speaker 1: lot of controversy in her life, a lot of controversy
Speaker 1: in her life. She left her husband for Onassis and
Speaker 1: they had an affair, and then she left her career.
Speaker 1: And then you know, she got thrown out of the
Speaker 1: Roman opera one night, and this a whole hubbub, and
Speaker 1: then she um Onassis destroyed her because then she she
Speaker 1: married Onassa's she stopped singing, so she lost all the
Speaker 1: great muscles for opera that you need. And then he
Speaker 1: she got pregnant by him, and he said, you have
Speaker 1: me or the baby, so she had an abortion. Then
Speaker 1: he married Jacquely Kennedy behind her back. After she got
Speaker 1: an abortion for him. Then she went back and did
Speaker 1: Tasca and it was a success. But then she just
Speaker 1: just sort of shriveled in her French apartment, her parents apartment,
Speaker 1: and when Onnassis died, she barely after apartment again for
Speaker 1: the rest of her life and died at age. Has
Speaker 1: to be a story we all know. Is there a movie?
Speaker 1: I we're going to do a movie of master Class,
Speaker 1: which I don't like that play because it doesn't represent
Speaker 1: who Maria Calls was because she did teach master Class
Speaker 1: at Juilliard and I've listened to all of them and
Speaker 1: she is a musical genius, genius. Who would you cast
Speaker 1: in the role of Maria Callis someone who's Mediterranean Greek looking?
Speaker 1: They wanted um Meryl Streep is not. Maria is know not.
Speaker 1: I mean the physicality of her is really important because
Speaker 1: she had giant eyes. Giant knows she she was beautiful.
Speaker 1: She was just this total Mediterranean woman and you can't
Speaker 1: get someone with soft features in there. You need like
Speaker 1: a young Liza Maybe I don't know. I have the
Speaker 1: same eyes as Liza many and they're beautiful, like just
Speaker 1: giant sleep babies. It's just no, but they're not they're
Speaker 1: just they're just slant in this gorgeous way. Mine slant
Speaker 1: down like this, which is it's yeah, it's a Southern
Speaker 1: Italian trade. People in Southern Italy, we all have the
Speaker 1: same eyes. Our eyes go down like the US. They
Speaker 1: wrap around like that and it's a heavy eyelid. And
Speaker 1: people always think I'm high or tired, like are you tired?
Speaker 1: And I'd say I'm wide awake. This is just how
Speaker 1: it love I don't have. I can't even think of
Speaker 1: an actress that fits that. I'm sure there's someone. There's
Speaker 1: got to be someone, but not off the top of
Speaker 1: my head. I can't think someone's strong, you know, Maria.
Speaker 1: And Maria was a total diva by the way. I
Speaker 1: mean when she was interviewed like what do you think
Speaker 1: of your your rivals and she goes, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to correct you, but I don't have rivals. She was.
Speaker 1: She was quite a diva. She she basically started how
Speaker 1: the way we sort of look at these glamorized divas,
Speaker 1: very similar to Judy Garland and just the operatic Judy
Speaker 1: Garland sure sure not drug addicted though, but lost her
Speaker 1: voice and there's a video of her singing um uh
Speaker 1: no pu mesta. And this is the nineteen sixty two
Speaker 1: and she had she was trying to come back. She
Speaker 1: could sing at a medso voice. She did a recording
Speaker 1: of Karmen, so her voice was with Karmen was great
Speaker 1: because it's just for the soprano. But when she tried
Speaker 1: to get back into those coloratura quick embellishments. There's a
Speaker 1: video of her and she was doing some good chromatic skills.
Speaker 1: Down at the very end, she tries to go up.
Speaker 1: I think the note was only like an F and
Speaker 1: she had this giant wobbles to her voice. Literally it
Speaker 1: was it is like it is bad to so awful
Speaker 1: that this seems to happen a lot with these like
Speaker 1: not but like it's so frustrating that it seems to
Speaker 1: happen a lot like very few of them. She's happy.
Speaker 1: John Earle and I talked about this in depth one
Speaker 1: day and we decided that we like it because hear
Speaker 1: me out, hear me out, we need tragic figures. Hear
Speaker 1: me out, Maria, Maria Whitney. They are they are a judy,
Speaker 1: are a big flash that goes out quickly. Where is
Speaker 1: someone like Beyonce is just consistently good. But beyond say,
Speaker 1: it's not that same Whitney, you know, like just like
Speaker 1: you hear her singing, you think, you know, like this
Speaker 1: trap Beyonce is just so good at everything and it's
Speaker 1: not the same like and John really said, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's got to be something about that flash when Maria
Speaker 1: cows is the same way when she's saying no one
Speaker 1: had ever heard a voice go above and e at
Speaker 1: full voice, no one had ever heard a medical studio
Speaker 1: color retort, no one ever heard a singer who can act,
Speaker 1: no one ever heard of a fashion all these things.
Speaker 1: She was doing this big flash in the pan and
Speaker 1: then sets the standard for the rest of everyone else
Speaker 1: in that career, but then just done. Wow. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there is something to that, to what you
Speaker 1: and John were saying, because I think it's like when
Speaker 1: the flash happens and everyone starts getting in on it,
Speaker 1: they're like, we like, we're in on this while it's happening.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe there is something too that where
Speaker 1: it's like we're witnessing this it's not it might not
Speaker 1: last forever, and we're witnessing something new. I'm witnessing something
Speaker 1: that's never been heard before. You know that's there? Do
Speaker 1: you think you have to explain to people? Is the
Speaker 1: sounds you hear from singers today come from singers like
Speaker 1: Judy and Barbara, you know what I mean? Like Barbara
Speaker 1: in the sixties, no one ever heard someone sing like
Speaker 1: that before. She was doing shows in men's clothing with
Speaker 1: Egyptian I make up long fingernails, eating baked potatoes on
Speaker 1: the stage and speaking French and Italian to the audiences
Speaker 1: and then singing like you wouldn't even believe. And people
Speaker 1: don't didn't know that sound, they never heard that sound before.
Speaker 1: But now, who's coming close today for you? Is there
Speaker 1: anyone doing anything new? Jennifer Hudson blows me away when
Speaker 1: I listened to her sing. But she's not that magnetic personality.
Speaker 1: She's a bit of a dud. She really she's gotten better.
Speaker 1: I think it really believing what she sings like. I
Speaker 1: just saw her do a performance on the Voice and
Speaker 1: it was a ship song. It was like it was
Speaker 1: a song, some some stupid song. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what it was called, some something like I remember me.
Speaker 1: It was like, I think the producers are more important
Speaker 1: than the artists now, Yeah, and and so then that
Speaker 1: need for that type of singer doesn't exist anymore. It's
Speaker 1: a shame because you know, you give her material where
Speaker 1: she can really show her gift and like everyone's blown away.
Speaker 1: I mean, but also that's a frustrating story because Jennifer
Speaker 1: Hudson famous for dream Girls. When you really go back
Speaker 1: and you watch the Jennifer Holiday performance on the Tony's,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a true that's a true moment in
Speaker 1: time that is untouchable. Yeah, I mean, it's it's so brilliant.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, like no one has the
Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. You know, who is a singer.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play two seconds of her voice because I
Speaker 1: think you'll really like it. I love singers that are
Speaker 1: I'm so Italian. I love singers that I have to
Speaker 1: be so extreme. And that's why I love Mariah because
Speaker 1: this is extreme. There is a singer named Cleo Lane
Speaker 1: who's now in her eighties and she's British but she's
Speaker 1: half Jamaican. So she's got this beautiful froe hair and
Speaker 1: this like sort of deep deep alves in and she
Speaker 1: has this weird sound and she's jazz singer. Weird sound
Speaker 1: was a very mouful shoulder thrond of her voice. She
Speaker 1: seems about down here, but she has a five octave.
Speaker 1: So this is an example. I'll just play some like
Speaker 1: like like no, wait, this is just like her normal voice.
Speaker 1: Like you'll hear like the low sounds one second, yes,
Speaker 1: very kind of like almost like Shirley Bassie solferic and
Speaker 1: then the very act Oh okay, crazy Cleo Lane Cleo, Lane,
Speaker 1: l Ai and e. I was gonna say, maybe she's related.
Speaker 1: That was to teach the children. Moment, teach the children. Guess, guys,
Speaker 1: get on lazing she is. She's got these eighties now
Speaker 1: she still sounds good. Stop singing when she gets a wobble.
Speaker 1: And she hasn't gotten a wobble. Um wait, I just
Speaker 1: want to bring this up today. I listened to Small Duty,
Speaker 1: I think Cottage for Sale. She she does this live
Speaker 1: version of It's So good, It's so good? What do
Speaker 1: you think of it? Tony's last night, I didn't watch them.
Speaker 1: Did you know? I was on a bus. Sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there was nothing that happened. I can't
Speaker 1: believe Bett Mitler did not perform. I can't believe she
Speaker 1: did not perform. It's so frustrated. She's she's up there.
Speaker 1: I mean she's yeah, but she's she's up there. But
Speaker 1: she's doing it every night. It's not about age. It's
Speaker 1: entirely about they didn't want to work it out our
Speaker 1: money or ego or whatever. And that's the one night
Speaker 1: a year you have to show the rest of the
Speaker 1: world what's happening on Broadway to sell it because people
Speaker 1: need to save it from going under. She said, no,
Speaker 1: I sent David Hyde, Pierce and your Steed it. You
Speaker 1: know the singer who are the singers that you cry?
Speaker 1: Because my the only singers that can make the car
Speaker 1: are Judy okay, specifically a performance of her singing Somewhere
Speaker 1: over the Rainbow when she was in the hobo outfit
Speaker 1: in like nineteen and um Maria calls, there's the only
Speaker 1: two singers that make you cry? Is difficult female singers,
Speaker 1: any singer. Um Okay, this is such a lame answer,
Speaker 1: but like not not just because of his cover of
Speaker 1: Hollylo Yad Jeff Buckley. He's this whole live set from
Speaker 1: this venue called sen A. It's beautiful. Um And then God,
Speaker 1: maybe Selene. I love I love Selene. Selene can stir
Speaker 1: up any emotion in me. What about you, Matt. I
Speaker 1: think that Selene certainly makes me feel many emotions. I
Speaker 1: think she's one of the most emotional singers we've ever had,
Speaker 1: and it is and I think that she's definitely a
Speaker 1: good answer. I am very touched by Whitney and honestly
Speaker 1: like her first Home. Yeah, I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of Home, the Diana Ross performance of Home Act,
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing. She really told the story for me,
Speaker 1: and that was heard her best. Honestly, the last time
Speaker 1: I cried at a singer, and I really don't cry
Speaker 1: too much of the music I feel in other ways,
Speaker 1: I kind of get up on my feet and move around,
Speaker 1: like That's kind of how I deal with my emotion
Speaker 1: when I'm really moved. I'll like, lately I'll cried full
Speaker 1: coffee commercial. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a crier. I'm
Speaker 1: like a mover. I have to get up on my
Speaker 1: feet when I feel the spirit. Um. But I cried
Speaker 1: when Kelly Clarkson sang on the last That's beautiful. I
Speaker 1: do love her and I sometimes cry to a really
Speaker 1: sorry about it, honest to god, country singer, any any
Speaker 1: country singer that can really plant their feet sang. But
Speaker 1: then again, I also think that's the lyrics. I think.
Speaker 1: I think I'm very susceptible to a good storytelling song
Speaker 1: and really honestly delivered lyrics. And that's honestly something I
Speaker 1: think about myself, as I really respond to lyrical content
Speaker 1: and and that to me has to go hand in
Speaker 1: hand with the vocal performance. But did you just pull
Speaker 1: that melody out of your as? I love it? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's move on to we gotta do. I don't think so, honey. Um, So,
Speaker 1: just so you know, guys, if you're just tuning in
Speaker 1: good episodes, are just tuning in on y'all. Um, we
Speaker 1: do a little thing. I don't think so, honey, take
Speaker 1: one minutes of reile against culture or something that's you know,
Speaker 1: just not right with us, not just not sitting right
Speaker 1: with us. So Bowen Yang he shocked me today when
Speaker 1: he came in and said that he has one because
Speaker 1: usually not super prepared for this. God love him, Thank you?
Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm ready? And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: just because it's prepared. It's gonna be coherent, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna go with him. That's fine, okay, and Bowen Yang's
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, Facebook dot Com for putting a twenty
Speaker 1: four hour band on me posting and lightning ship because
Speaker 1: someone reported me for posting a photo in front of
Speaker 1: the White House yesterday during the Equality March with pride
Speaker 1: flags everywhere with just anti Trump signs. I captioned this
Speaker 1: photo fag power hashtag equality March. Someone decided to report
Speaker 1: it for offensive language, so it was taken down. And look,
Speaker 1: it's not an automatic thing. Someone at Facebook, some fucking
Speaker 1: twenty five year old dipshit wearing sea glasses at Facebook
Speaker 1: head for headquarters in Menlo Park, California, saw this post,
Speaker 1: saw this report, decided it was okay to give me
Speaker 1: a band. I don't think so ony, Facebook dot Com.
Speaker 1: I don't think so one of you biggets, I hope
Speaker 1: you bleed bleed out if you're fucking assholes. For all
Speaker 1: I care you don't like gay people. This is not
Speaker 1: the month to do. On the day of the Orlando
Speaker 1: mass the Orlando shooting of all days. Have some respect,
Speaker 1: you pieces of ship. You're done. I hate you. Move
Speaker 1: out of this country. I don't think so, honey. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that was got really real. I feel this so strongly,
Speaker 1: and I'm at at Facebook, and today I was like, honestly, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I need this. You know, I have
Speaker 1: not posted on Facebook, and I think in a salad here,
Speaker 1: I don't go on Facebook. You don't need it. Although Bowen,
Speaker 1: while you were speaking, this thought occurred to me. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been surprised if it was a gay that
Speaker 1: did that. I wouldn't have been surprised if because I
Speaker 1: was thinking, I don't know, you guys, it's a year
Speaker 1: since Pulse. I think that today it's Pride Month. I
Speaker 1: think Pride Month is amazing. It's an amazing time to
Speaker 1: be proud. But I also think it's a really good
Speaker 1: time to look within and check ourselves. And I think
Speaker 1: what you were saying before is really a thing. And
Speaker 1: gay people are cruel to each other, and I think
Speaker 1: it's great that we can all rally together for something
Speaker 1: like remembering Pulse and in the wake of Pulse and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I think Pride Month is really
Speaker 1: is more important now than ever. But I will say
Speaker 1: that that thought occurred to me, that that someone could
Speaker 1: have seen the word fag because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the gay community that just don't want to
Speaker 1: saying it at all, or like have limits on people
Speaker 1: saying it. I'm sure in every community gets you visited
Speaker 1: because Eddie Murphy track. I don't know, it just occurred
Speaker 1: to me sometimes now I'm I'm looking for home a
Speaker 1: phobia from within as well, and absolutely we need to
Speaker 1: do that. And like, I love our community, I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, and you know what it is, it's
Speaker 1: whenever Drag Race winds down, I think about this because
Speaker 1: they're so fucking cruel to those people, these these trolls,
Speaker 1: these like young gays who don't get it. I'm really
Speaker 1: young gays and also young young straight people who watched
Speaker 1: the show just because it's fun. They don't get it.
Speaker 1: You know. I went to Drag Coon and it was
Speaker 1: predominantly straight women who were there. I mean, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of gay men, but there was a lot
Speaker 1: of straight women. Straight women love Drag Race, Yeah I was.
Speaker 1: I was blown away by that. But I'm sure, like
Speaker 1: I'm sure you, I'm sure Bob has gone through the
Speaker 1: same sort of hateful speech. I mean, it's just you
Speaker 1: put yourself out there and people. We've had some talks.
Speaker 1: I want to tear you down. Oh yeah, even you've
Speaker 1: gone through this. But anyway, so I mean I was
Speaker 1: talking about Bobby, Yeah, I get it. The first comment
Speaker 1: I ever got when I was on UM Guy Code
Speaker 1: was this faggot off MTV. That was like the first
Speaker 1: tweet I got, awful, awful, awful, And you know this comment.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it stays with me, but Matt
Speaker 1: and I shot a video with Comedy Central one time.
Speaker 1: Some asshole never read the comments, never read the comments.
Speaker 1: I know. I've learned this, and I truly don't anymore.
Speaker 1: But like, and because of this ship, like someone said,
Speaker 1: would be better without Asian faggot. Yeah, and you know what, Bowen,
Speaker 1: that is that person's problem, of course. And I know, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm always speaking from experience. You really, the more you
Speaker 1: guys are both super talented and you guys are both
Speaker 1: going to be very successful, and especially for you, people
Speaker 1: are gonna be making racist comments. And I learned it
Speaker 1: from Joan three years ago. She was in an interview
Speaker 1: and I've stuck to it. She goes if you're saying
Speaker 1: something negative, you're wasting your time. I am not looking.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, write all you want, not looking, And I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know what, you'll never win. You'll never ever
Speaker 1: ever everybody on your side. The best you can do
Speaker 1: is live your life, and the best that you can
Speaker 1: do is be the true person that you can be. Listen,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you have two options.
Speaker 1: One you do what you want to do, you express
Speaker 1: yourself how you want to express yourself. Or two, don't
Speaker 1: and crawl into a hole and hide away from the
Speaker 1: world because you're afraid that someone's not gonna like you.
Speaker 1: So listen, you're doing the right thing, and people are
Speaker 1: gonna say all these awful, horrible things. Don't look. Don't look.
Speaker 1: I could, I mean I could cry right now. It's
Speaker 1: it's thank you mateo. That's okay, all right. If you
Speaker 1: can't love yourself, hound the hell, you're gonna love somebody else.
Speaker 1: So you just get some pills lies. And now I
Speaker 1: feel shitty that I even have to do. And I
Speaker 1: don't think so right now, but I'm going to continue
Speaker 1: to come for the community and my I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Here go Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. This
Speaker 1: is a very self critical within a lot these days,
Speaker 1: been through a lot. Here we go and time starts. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Reddit, bitch, you finally got me.
Speaker 1: I went on there and I know everything that happens
Speaker 1: in that fucking finale of drag Race, and I am
Speaker 1: so upset with myself. But you know what, I also
Speaker 1: blame a lot of my friends who dangle and dangle
Speaker 1: and dangle the Reddit info in front of me. And then,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a curious motherfucking cat, and I
Speaker 1: have to look. I went and I looked, and there
Speaker 1: was more revealed than I wanted them to be revealed.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I'm gaged. But also I'm
Speaker 1: disappointed that because I know, and I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: fuck with these reddits. I don't think so, honey, with
Speaker 1: all these spoiler websites, with our like television culture nowadays,
Speaker 1: nothing can be enjoyed in the moment, and it's made
Speaker 1: the way I watched TV different. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Reddit sites like you and you people on Reddit who
Speaker 1: don't put the spoiler at least ban over the words.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna touch it, but just put
Speaker 1: it there. Follow the rules, bitch all you read at users,
Speaker 1: I hope that you don't enjoy anything ever again. You
Speaker 1: gotta stay off that just for an listen. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to use it. It's first of all,
Speaker 1: it's horrible to navigate, and then you get in there snapchat.
Speaker 1: I'll never do it again. I'll never do it again.
Speaker 1: People on the on the drag Race subread are sharing
Speaker 1: some of the things she was reading on read and
Speaker 1: I was like, why are you reading that? Yeah, oh no,
Speaker 1: she's she's got to get off. People are terrible to her.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know it existed, but she found a
Speaker 1: really funny meme someone made of her, and I was
Speaker 1: running after her with a snowball. Because you never think
Speaker 1: it's going to be you. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm
Speaker 1: on there. I'm sure he knows. The thing is like,
Speaker 1: when you're a queen that gets on drag Riss, you think,
Speaker 1: oh my god, my life's going to change. You think
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm going to be the villain, right,
Speaker 1: and then you fucking become the villain. And also, yeah,
Speaker 1: like it is based on ship that you do. But
Speaker 1: it's also a drag competition, and you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: shady and a bit fine. People don't really get what
Speaker 1: drag is. I don't think they do, especially the young
Speaker 1: girls to love it. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, it's time
Speaker 1: for God. Now I feel like I don't want I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have this. I think what you told
Speaker 1: us before the show, you don't have to do that one.
Speaker 1: But you told us before we started recording, I thought
Speaker 1: was perfect. But you can do anything you want. Um
Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, uh Suddenly I'm so stressed out.
Speaker 1: I'll try them and I can't do the same energy
Speaker 1: level for many time starts. Now I don't think so
Speaker 1: Kelly an Conway. And here's the thing is, I know
Speaker 1: that she's like like Mika from A Morning Joe my
Speaker 1: favorite shows to watch always says that she's like political porn,
Speaker 1: that these pundits bring her on and just have her
Speaker 1: argument argument in these circles. I just think that we
Speaker 1: better off if we could put her in season one
Speaker 1: of Fox's The Swan, a show where they took nineteen
Speaker 1: women who honestly needed a blow out in a new
Speaker 1: like jacket, but forced them to if the months of
Speaker 1: invasive plastic surgery and shielded them from their families and mirrors,
Speaker 1: and then made them look exactly like the host of
Speaker 1: the show and then force them into a beauty pageant
Speaker 1: with the other women. I just think that the only
Speaker 1: reason comic could exclause one, get her and those bags.
Speaker 1: You could smuggle children in with under her eyes and
Speaker 1: just fix that face. And then two we could have tied.
Speaker 1: We could be she could be out of our lives
Speaker 1: for at least six months, and then she can come
Speaker 1: back at least we could, you know, look at her.
Speaker 1: So that's it. So I just don't think so Kelly
Speaker 1: and Comma, there you go. That's one minute. That's that
Speaker 1: was how they were putting women on television. That shows
Speaker 1: so horrible. But I would have watched eighteen seasons. Have
Speaker 1: you heard about this Bachelor in Paradise garbage? No, So
Speaker 1: there was sexual misconduct apparently, like there could have been
Speaker 1: a sexual assault on the show, and Bachelor in Paradise
Speaker 1: is now canceled. And they were filming for one day
Speaker 1: and the contestants got so fucking wasted that like something
Speaker 1: bad happened and they had to pull and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking? This is literally rape culture on television,
Speaker 1: and that I do you know, literally the only shows
Speaker 1: that I watched on TV. I wake up every morning,
Speaker 1: I put on Morning Joe, I make my coffee. I
Speaker 1: don't know why I like that. I listened to Howard Stern,
Speaker 1: I watched Love You, I watched Wendy Williams, and then
Speaker 1: that's it. I watched Zelda stuff on YouTube. I've been
Speaker 1: watching Zelda stuff on YouTube too, and it's things you
Speaker 1: didn't know about this game. Seventeen things you didn't know
Speaker 1: about this game. It's like, get like fucking um, like
Speaker 1: snowboarding on your shield. Watch that video where it's like
Speaker 1: here's Longland ranch from Achering of Time. Yes, and it's
Speaker 1: the exact same, exact same, and it's creepy as how
Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful conversation that was happening before
Speaker 1: when I was like, we gotta start of the episode.
Speaker 1: I watched game run throughs the people beating my favorite
Speaker 1: games from when I was a kid. They beat it
Speaker 1: like in an hour and there's like a bunch of
Speaker 1: people around them, and then like it's like some cancer benefits,
Speaker 1: Like oh I love something about this, mateo you even
Speaker 1: should have go to after this. But anytime you want
Speaker 1: this summer come over. I got I got my switch
Speaker 1: so we can play Mario Carba can play this arms.
Speaker 1: I also would just like to sit and play Zelda.
Speaker 1: Please Zelda and you I would watch a play Zelda.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't you watch Dice versa. That's my favorite thing
Speaker 1: is to watch When I grew up all my cousins,
Speaker 1: my cousin Michael was the oldest, so he would play
Speaker 1: the video games and me and all my other cousins
Speaker 1: would sit and watch him video and one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things to still do. To fantastic. I think you
Speaker 1: guys at home can all come to and me and
Speaker 1: you guys will go smoke a ball on the next room.
Speaker 1: Everyone listening is invited. Guys, we've had such an amazing guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you so I really thank you so much for
Speaker 1: having me on the show. Truly, really seriously one of
Speaker 1: the most talented people that we know, and we love
Speaker 1: you good so much. Thank you, Thank you, bye, guys.
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