1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so listen up right now. Bow and Yang and I, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, have a little bit of a show. We 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: want to invite you too. It's called Night Soap. It's 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: part of ours Nova's and Fest and it's at ars 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Nova on June twenty two, Babe at seven pm. It's 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: an amazing show. Matt and I are so proud of it. 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: We are both in full drag giche uh. The show 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: is about two chocolate dynasty's, the Hershey's and the Nestlis, 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: warring with each other to fight for who's going to 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: be the first chocolate companies to sell chocolate in space. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: This is all true. Um, It's part dynasty, it's part 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: war paint. It's just a gag. Come see it. We'd 13 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: love to see there. Seven pm. Tickets are on sale 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: right now at Arsnova NYC dot com. The wigs are 15 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: gonna be high, and so are the stakes. It's Night 16 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: Soap and tickets are on sale now. My grandma and 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: your grandma was sitting back the FI. My grandma, Grandma, 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, fight it's up bad Hum. I like 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: go on date Ja and I had to start the 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: pod because these queens were nerding out about video games, 21 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: and I said, well, why don't we include everyone. This 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: is the first gay with the Wimer that I've had. 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: We've had on this, This is true. This is the 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: first game. Yes, yeah, we've had on I think, okay, 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this after we introduced him. But 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm dealing with some throat stuff, some vocal 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: chamber stuff. Do I sound like I'm dealing with some 28 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: But I think I think our guest is. But let's 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: go through the credits, honey, just to preface everything that 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: everyone's voices are going to be a little froggy and 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: include credits, include Andrews. Before we go through the credits. 32 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one more thing. The A c is running 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: because bitch, it is hot. It's a heat wave. It's 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: a heat wave. I love's like a heat wave. As 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: Martha something once said during the No it wasn't the Sharells. 36 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think it's Martha and the Vandela or 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: something like that. And maybe I made up that name 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: because it sounds like it could be the Sherrell saying. 39 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: Mama said, okay, the credits, let's do this. Okay, guy code, 40 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: girl code, And you've seen him on seth Meyers honey, 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: and he's he's a true icon. I mean you see 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: him all around the city headlines carolinees frequently and he 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: has his amazing show that he co hosts with Christie Chello, 44 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: Battle of the Divas, and look for that. Yes this 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: month June at Union Hall. At Union Hall, it's Matt 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: and I've done it. It It was a blast. Matt famously 47 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: beat me Um and Christine Agil are vanquished over Britney Spears. 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 1: But that's we'll get into that absolutely. But I am 49 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: also a loser of the show too, so we'll talk 50 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: all about it everyone. It is my you know good. 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: You make me sound so much nicer than I think 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: about myself. So I should stop on my shoulder. So 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I have a sit on my shoulder. And 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: I was picking at it on the sideway like a 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: full asshole, and then I was I was literally doing 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: it and then sound okay by the way I was saying. 57 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: I had to acknowledge the whole throat thing because I 58 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm very scratchy and I just want to get that 59 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: out of You were vulnerable. You were like Katie Perry 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: live streaming, well, oh my god we got do you 61 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: know about this whole Katie? I don't care about her 62 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: or Miley Syris or Taylor Swift. I don't care by 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: I think they're all talentless. Thank god Miley. Okay, oh 64 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: we were Indeed, you think Miley's talentless? Yes, I think 65 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: she's horrific. She's got a fine voiced on singing. She 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: sounds like beef jerky. I think she sounds like, oh whoa, Okay. 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: I don't think that she does what she talks. She's like, yeah, 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: so hey, my dad just Billy Ray Cush standard, and 69 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: I should I keep thinking, you know, it's like every 70 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: time I talk to people, it's like I keep feeling 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: like I'm the bad person, and then I should I 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: should downplay my feelings. But then I watched Wayne Houston. 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: I think, you know what, No, you know what, I 74 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: stand by it. And that was the bandard at one time, 75 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: and then before her, the standard was Aretha Franklin, and 76 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: then before that was Judy Garland. Then these bitches better 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: step up. Okay, you know what, I think there's a 78 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: lot to that. If really think a lot of the 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: bullshit that we're tolerating, like in the media, like all 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: the feuds and stuff. If we just upped our standards 81 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: on talent, we wouldn't be That's what friend Liebowitz says 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: is that is the audience's fault. That art is getting 83 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: worse and worse because everything is becoming more broaden on 84 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the nose and people can't handle subtleties anymore. That's why 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: theater is going down. That's why, like every type of 86 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: art is just being broaden and broad and broughten because 87 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: they have to go down to the audiences level, because 88 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the audiences are getting stupid and stupid. And you know 89 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: what that reads in almost everywhere. Matteo and I talked 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: about friend Lebowitz one night and you were there, Matt, 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: we were We want you watch the documentary. I love 92 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: the documentary and it's I watch it probably once a week. 93 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: It's so good. Like her whole thing about Times Square 94 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: is a genius. It's so good. Like she's like people 95 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: keep shooting on Times Square and it's like tourists keep 96 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: coming into New York and shooting on Time Square and 97 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if you don't like it, then like 98 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: tell us because that's for you. Let's take it away. 99 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: If we can like, that's for you. It's like, you 100 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: know what Times Square needs if you're a New Yorker, 101 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: a butcher, a bookshop. She's like, you walk around you 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: a tourists the wing to this restaurant, they saying we 103 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: didn't like it, We'll really let us know. So we 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: get rid of it and knocked down that fucking red roster. 105 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: And then she has this joke about how Time Square 106 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: is like a gig. It's like the new gay club. Yeah, 107 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: back in the ecause because because it's like now, it's 108 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: like you see someone you know in Times Square and 109 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: you're like, wait, what research I came with a friend. 110 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy because I'm there every day of my life 111 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: because I worked there and it is truly a bat 112 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: shan insane. Yes, it's like it's funny that we call 113 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 1: it like commercial and safe, because I think I feel 114 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: least safe there, to be honest. Yeah, I mean the 115 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: other week the car ran through eighteen people that and 116 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: also I just I think, well, what's what's going on 117 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: in the world. I'm now very a lot more conscious 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: in the past two years of like terrorism, perhaps, like 119 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: well that's why I moved to man God Bah, I 120 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: couldn't handle that. All the bizzas going on, let's call 121 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: it that, let's call all thes happening in the all 122 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: the pizzazz. My god, I can't handle the pizzazz either, 123 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: and make me a little paranoid when I'm in like 124 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: a place that I know because I'm like target, you know, 125 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: because a target away. It makes me feel crazy because 126 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not going to happen, but like it 127 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: makes me feel crazy because like we have to feel 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: crazying depends called billy stretch and I'll just depends. I'm 129 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: happy to know that lies is not afraid, you know, 130 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: Liesa not being afraid, and God knows she's got reason, Liesa. 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: And we love you so much. And now tell us 132 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: a little bit more about these dresses you're telling you 133 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: on the home shopping at work. I broke my knee. 134 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: How did you do that? But do you remember sitting 135 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: around upside down in a hospital. So I started to 136 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: fool around of stuff I love. I had my knee replaced, 137 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: so I was lying around doing anything. I thought, I 138 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: hate this because I started work with Clang. Yeah, okay, 139 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: she started working with Clay. That's the big takeaway, and 140 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: that she heard her neat guys, we are we're just 141 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: quoting MATEO is quoting. I should say, Uh, this gorgeous 142 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: video Liza on the home shopping now is that real? 143 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: It's really verbatim literally the and the host by the way, 144 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean this one. This this some gate splice together 145 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: the best of Lisa Melli shopping. And she was laying 146 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: like she was in traction. And and Liza could have 147 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: been like face plant a bowl of mashed potatoes and 148 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: the host would still be like, that's right, Liza, Oh 149 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: my god. So she was truly just there to like 150 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: be Liza and then just taking calls to oh they 151 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: had a woman called the host is like, aren't we 152 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: have doors on the line? Doors from Georgia. Doris say 153 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: hi to Liza the Nelly today and Lisie goes hi 154 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: Georgia from Doris. My favorite is the woman who's um 155 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: who says and Liza, UM, I love you so much. 156 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: You're so inspired, inspiring to me. You're a mentor to me, 157 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: and you so much in my mentor to my mentor, 158 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: mentor to oh man, is it sadder? Is a truly 159 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: glorious way. I think if you I immediately think of sequence, 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Oh thank you. She's like, you know, she's trying to 161 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: like up cell. So she's like, you lies to wearing 162 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: a bracelet in the host like you can wear four 163 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: or five, and the host goes or what she was 164 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: a bracelets and Liz goes one will do'll do? I 165 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: mean I think you were the one, Matteo to tell 166 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: me that they're putting like lies it out to pasture. 167 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: Liza's putting herself out. Yeah, Liza, Well, she sold her 168 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: apartment in New or because she's moved out to the 169 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: West Coast. It's sort of like when a dog knows 170 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: it's going to die, like goes in the backyard. Cats 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: do that too, they go off to run and go 172 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: be by themselves. Yeah, so I'm just going back outside. 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: And she's been white knuckling for about twenty five years. 174 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: But I truly love her, so that will be deva 175 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: I will be devastated the day she goes. Matteo tries 176 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: a true roster spirit for the people that he loves, 177 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: because you truly come for the people that you love, 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: like I know. Another one is Maria, like deep down 179 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: in your heart, that's a beloved Mariah is an interesting 180 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: one because I for some reason, I can't quite figure 181 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: out why I keep going back to her, Like like 182 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: if I'm on YouTube, like I will, I will end 183 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: up on Mariah Carey High knows there's something alluring about 184 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Mariah that's different than Whitney. It's different than Christina. Mariah 185 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: fans are peculiar fan. I mean there's yes, it's a 186 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: specific person. It reaches to a certain genre of person persona. 187 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: It just She's I know who it reaches. I just 188 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is at all. In your 189 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: heart you love Maria. I think you're right an insecure home. 190 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: Everyone that I've met that tells me they love Mariah, 191 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but I don't know what it is. 192 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: And and I know Barbara and Whitney are are truly 193 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: if you know, they're better singers at the end of 194 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: the day, I don't I disagree, but I think Mariah 195 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: there's something more attractive about her now technique, okay, the 196 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: runs and all that stuff, Like they're all equal. But 197 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: like as a say, like you're born with a voice. 198 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: I think Whitney was born with a voice. You think 199 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: like on their best day of their life. If you 200 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: put Whitney, Mariah and Barbara and Selene all up there together. Barbara, 201 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: Barbara on the best day of her I would have 202 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: thought when in Houston, you would have said, Matteo, know, 203 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: is sort of the bat catalog of Barbara stuff there. Yeah, 204 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: people are people. When they think of Barbara, they think 205 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: of her like, hello, Mike, I'm holding my hands on 206 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: my head like green eggs. You know, she's like a 207 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: total wacko and you know that kind of voice. But 208 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: when she was really in her prime, it was it 209 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: was something pretty wild. Was that clip you showed us 210 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: of her? It was some live concert. She's got her 211 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: full fucking frow out, but she like is belting her 212 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: tits off and then she's like she s. It was 213 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. It was during the promotion of 214 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: A Star Was Born, and she was singing yeah, and 215 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: her voice though I can't say that what was that? 216 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: It was from Stars Born? I was when I felt 217 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: for you, No, not everything, because she was singing real 218 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: like it was like g G g G every note 219 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: was up there. I have to look it up and 220 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: it was a ballad. All that change things for me 221 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: because yeah, I kind of had this perception of Barbara's 222 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: like hello, gorgeous. It's more like a theatrical singer and 223 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: less like a technical I'm gonna blow you away with 224 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: my range and yes technique and like that like changed 225 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: it for me, and it was like very easy. She 226 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: also has something that Mariah and Whitney don't have, which 227 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: is a perfect passago. So her head voice and chest 228 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: voice are perfectly blended, so she can jump to either one, 229 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: but Whitney could never blend them. Maria can only blend 230 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: them from up to down. And it's not only mid 231 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: mid register, so it's not like when she's way up 232 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: there mid register can go like she did, but Barbara 233 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: can swift flip up with a perfect passago. So to me, 234 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: she just is a natural singer. Like also her face, 235 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: her nose, her cheeks, like her you know, she was 236 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 1: built like a singer. Sit here, Yeah, it's funny. Later 237 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: on in Maria's career, the register switches were really like 238 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: I remember during like Heartbreaker, like she would jump up 239 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: to those wild notes in those crazy verses a Heartbreaker, 240 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: and it was I almost thought to myself as I 241 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: was like whatever, like twelve years old listening to it, 242 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if she recorded these words 243 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: in one take and then the chest voice notes like 244 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: in another take because they sound so different through the 245 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: ring charm bracele. She does it the worst, yes, because 246 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: through the Rain and I love Through the Rand and 247 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: love that song. But it's it is it's too it's distracting. 248 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: It is distracting. She was okay, so like nineties, she'd 249 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: always had that sort of whisper, but she started out 250 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: as a real belter, and she when she would sing 251 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: in her head voice, she would sing in her head voice, 252 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: but there was the blend. It was masked. I think 253 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: a little better really used. But then once she then, 254 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: once Butterfly came out, she decided to really focus on 255 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: that like silky head voice and her because her natural 256 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: like Tessera Tour, was already a little higher who she 257 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: was gonna belt the sound, the jump wasn't so extreme. 258 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: But then the voice started to deteriorate nine and she 259 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: never took care of her voice nodules, and by the 260 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: time she did a Heartbreaker, her voice is good, but 261 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: there's this like it's it's it's kind of it's a 262 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: big different. It just had changed and Whitney's is the same. 263 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: Whitneys is the same. You know what I just listened to. 264 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: I just revisited. It's not right, but it's okay. That's 265 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: the song I was thinking of it. I fucking that 266 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: so good? You will make it a fun and I heard, 267 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: like crazy, my friend the DJ always plays that whenever 268 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm like what, nay, And he knows what I'm talking about. 269 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: I mean, that's he now. He said, so, my friend 270 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: Mitch is the DJ. And I asked him because he 271 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: performs only a gay place, gay this gay that he's first. Yeah, 272 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: so and I said who is? Like what music do 273 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: you put on that makes people go dance the most? 274 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: And said number one is Whitney because yeah, I want 275 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: to dance to somebody. How will I know? You move 276 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,479 Speaker 1: to those songs and you just get up so emotional 277 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: cover of I'm every Woman When that beats, you have 278 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: to move. It's not right, but it's okay that that 279 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: dance remix is so iconic. And also I do have 280 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: some tea that it's about to come back to the 281 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: gay community in a big way. That song and that way. 282 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, what all right? This means a 283 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: final performance of Paul that I cannot confirm hers and 284 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: I alight that that song, that song back every year, 285 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: back in our lexicon, and I am so excited about 286 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: you know what I want because I love Mariah's Honey remix, 287 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: which is very similar sort of vibe. I want this 288 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: is okay, okay, and then we can get to we'll 289 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: talk about my child. No, no, this is this is 290 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: this is want. I want to take control of Maria's life. 291 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Get rid of the manager. I heard she's a horror 292 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: horrible Oh, I asked, trust me, I asked, am I okay, 293 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Well I can't shouldn't say all right, I'm all right. 294 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: Let's number one. Get rid of the manager, fire everybody 295 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: but the backup singers around her, and get her into 296 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: a detox program. She is bipolar. Her brother came out 297 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: and said she's bipolar and self medicated in a drunk 298 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: and then she'll end up like Whitney. That's what he said. 299 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: So let's get rid of the drugs. Let's get rid 300 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: because it's pill popping. And I want a year of 301 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: you on an island with a physical and a mental 302 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: like guru, and get you mentally and physically back in 303 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: a place where she doesn't care about the music anymore. 304 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: She doesn't care about the singing. She's not. She's completely 305 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: emotionally disconnected and she's lips sinking everything. And so I 306 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: I want her back inform and I don't want her 307 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: to come back and sound like her old self. I 308 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: wanted to come back and sound like the version of 309 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: Mariah because the problem with Mariah's got the makings of 310 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: a great She needs a Ray of Light album where 311 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm saying Mariah is and emancipation is great, but it 312 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: wasn't his emotional as I would say, like Midas of Light, 313 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: where it was a it was amost such a change, true, reinventorrect. 314 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: And I think Mariah, she's by racial. Her sister's HIV positive, 315 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: prostitute her. You know, her father wasn't in her life. 316 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: She's had three divorces, she's she's had ups and downs. 317 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: So much happen to her, and I think as her 318 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: fans evolved, we're ready to evolve with her. I want 319 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: to see a mature Mariah come back and give me. 320 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Give me an adult album, give me a sad album. 321 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: If your whistle notes are gone, you had him, you 322 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: did him. Who cares? We're done with him? You know? 323 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't care, just come back and give me the story, 324 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: tell us the truth, because you know what, she was 325 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: really able to tell the truth in the beginning of 326 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: her career. Her lyrics were incredible because she cared incredible 327 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: talent as a writer, emotion, and that the album that's 328 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: one of my favorite album music Box, even when she 329 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: was writing years old at twenty years old. And this 330 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: is a person who also arranges all her own music, 331 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: and it's a five active range on top of it. 332 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: This is a true She didn't become a superstar by mistake. 333 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: You nailed it on the hedge. Just now give her 334 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: a year off, tell her to really just come to 335 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: Jesus with all this ship that she's gone through. And 336 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: then like, I don't know, Oh my god, it makes 337 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: me weirdly emotional, to be honest with you. She was 338 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 1: so huge for me, Like I think that was the 339 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: first album music Box that I ever really found in 340 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: like played and then Butterfly, even though that was like 341 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the turning port in her career, because that's a great album. 342 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: It was my favorite album I think ever Honey, my 343 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: All when I was playing my All for Henry and like, 344 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: I guess maybe you had to grow up with it. 345 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: Because he didn't really get it. I'm like, oh my god, 346 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: this song is so important to me. This song is 347 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: so important to me. See, Mariah's let me down more 348 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: than Whitney and Whitney died. That's the thing is, it's 349 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: Mariam mine as well. You know, I don't. I don't. 350 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: She's just always like, okay, so New Years right? Um yeah. 351 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: She used the word nonchalantly casually in the song, just 352 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: as a lyric, nonchalantly when I was okay. So I 353 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: was performing a bunch of shows on New Year's right. 354 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: So I have my phone off for most the night 355 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: because I'm out stage. I'm trying to focus. And I 356 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: get off stage and I turned my phone on, and 357 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I get I'm not making a joke. Seventy I counted 358 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: seventy three text messages out never mind, never mind, Yes, yes, didn't. 359 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Nicky Laser texted me, I mean, and I was like, 360 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is Mariah died. What happened? Maria 361 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: died something? And then I watched it and it was worse. 362 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: It was worse. I'm not you know what, but I 363 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: thought good, I'm glad that I thought that would be 364 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: a turning point for her to like sort of refocus 365 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: and she didn't know she didn't. My favorite line is, um, 366 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: do the lift just for laughs, Hey everyone, this is 367 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: a number one hit. The number one. Meanwhile behind her 368 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: is like, doesn't get any whistle tones, doesn't It was 369 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: like the ball dropping and the year changing didn't even happen. 370 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: The number one time topic was what had just gone 371 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: on with Maria Everyone stopped at the party was that 372 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: we didn't have cable. We were all like circled around 373 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: one iPhone. It was such a moment and then people 374 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't stop talking about it for like over a week. 375 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: Maria's problem is she does you know, she's not graceful either. 376 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: I mean, one other things I don't like about her 377 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: is her hate towards Ariana Grande, which and then is 378 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: my thing about Ariana. She is a talented young girl. 379 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm crack jokes about her all the time because she 380 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: I said, she has the diction of a fog machine. 381 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: But like, she's not my enemy, you know what I mean. 382 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 1: Although I did saying Comedy Central that Whitney now can 383 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: sink better than Ariana, but I think she would agree 384 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: with that. Um, yeah, she would agree, she would agree. 385 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: But I think. I think what she pulled off with 386 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: the Manchester uh, the sort of the festival that she 387 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: threw after the attack, I thought that was it was real. 388 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: It was really cool. She did a very cool thing. Yeah, 389 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, Maria just anyways, but that's the 390 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: My life is categorized by very few things, and and 391 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: Mariah is one of them. Divas are one of them. 392 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: Let's just like break like to start within. I could 393 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: tell you right now it goes from a leficent to storm, 394 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: to Barbers Rising, to Mariah, to Cleo Lane, then to 395 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Maria callis okay because we were going to talk about 396 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: Maria Calls. I will cry. I can't even get my 397 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: head around the Maria Kales thing with you. I couldn't 398 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: do now why because you're depth of knowledge about It's 399 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: it's so funny. You were showing us a YouTube video 400 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: and you were able to like stop at at points 401 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: and like science teacher out like getting a seminar. You are. 402 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: That's your favorite video on YouTube, isn't it the one 403 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: where it's using in demo al dult in peto and 404 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: it was showing the notes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 405 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: that's it's such a great Yeah, I mean, let's start there, 406 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: because we usually ask all of our guests what was 407 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: the culture that like shaped you? That like Sleeping Beauty? 408 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty bigger than any the first day and let 409 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: me you know, I didn't realize how big of an impact. 410 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: The two artists of the film that impacted me. Where 411 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Mark Davis, who's my favorite artists who illustrated Maleficent, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Cuilaiville. 412 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: He was, Yes, he was the fe like when they 413 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: needed drawing the female body is by the way, I 414 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: for those listening, I was an art school and I 415 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: drew TV commercials for and fashion dance forever. Um. This 416 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: is someone who's an incredible comedian, incredible artist, and incredible singer. 417 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Just what we have on the single desperate I Um. 418 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: The female bodies a very difficult image to sell to 419 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: an audience, and Mark Davis was the king there was. 420 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: They had seven artists who were like the head animators 421 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: of Disney, and they sort of created all the characters 422 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: that we know today from nineteen thirties seven was uh 423 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: snow White all the way up through Jungle Book, which 424 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: is like sixty five. They probably all stopped around the 425 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: seventies at some point. So Mark Davis was a big influence. 426 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean he created Maleficent, UM, and I've an earl 427 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: who was the artistic director for that film. Also, if 428 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: you look at Sleeping Beauty artistics. First of all, most 429 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: Disney films take one and a half to two years 430 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: to make, and a background takes a day to make. 431 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: A Sleeping Beauty took seven years to make, and the 432 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: backgrounds took about a week to make. So I have 433 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: an earl who was a modernist painter at the time, 434 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: was taking these old tapestries from you know, the Renaissance 435 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: and fourteen Central, all these things, and then adapting that 436 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: for Sleeping Beauty, which they also mixed with Traikowski's Sleeping 437 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: Beauty Ball. The whole film is just an artistic masterpiece. 438 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: They literally kind of museum just in that movie. Um, 439 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: but the movie itself. It's funny because I tried to 440 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: link what my connection is with all my sort of upset. 441 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm a very obsessive personality. Are actually we latch onto things. 442 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: So Maleficent is one and Sleeping Beauty the singing, and 443 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: then I I do not tell people this. I am 444 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: a nerd about skyscrapers. I am on a skyscraper message 445 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: board called Skyscraper Forum. I am obsessed with high rise 446 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: construction and super tall skyscrapers all over the world, specifically 447 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: New York. It's you know, New York versus Hong Kong 448 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: in Chicago, and there's the world's three largest skylines, um 449 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: Hong Kong number one. Uh. And the movie. The architecture 450 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: of that movie is the spires, the spires and the castles. 451 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: If you look at it like image wise, I just 452 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: must have soaked up so much that I don't I'm 453 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: subconsciously finding other things in real life that bring me 454 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: back to Sleeping Beauty. So Maria Kalis would be a 455 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: big one for me because the movie was made in 456 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: the fifties when Maria was the queen, and the singer 457 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: for Sleeping Beauty has a very round sound and she's 458 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: a color tour soprano like Maria Kalis. So I'm attracted 459 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: to that that like sort of bottled round sound of 460 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: of an opera singer. And then artistic wise and the 461 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: Maleficent and the it's you know, the whole thing, what 462 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: about Malefics Because my joke is that like she's a 463 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: gay Icon. All her requirements are she has horns and 464 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: she's a count. We're like getting there, um the Pantheon. 465 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: I have. The thing I've drawn the most of my 466 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: life is Maleficent. I would sit when I was a kid. 467 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: My mother is also an illustrator. I think it's genetic. 468 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: She never taught me how to draw. She could just 469 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: tally Mexicans. She had kids. That was her life. But she, 470 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: my brother's sister, and I are all artists. My brother 471 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,719 Speaker 1: is a top designer at Apple, so like the way 472 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: you're he lives in San Francisco. The way your phone 473 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: looks and how it moves and how it's designed. My 474 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: brother does all that, and I illustrated TV. We were 475 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: all sort of artistically. It's genetic, and I would sit 476 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: and draw. I'm not making a joke. I would draw. 477 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: I would go through a ream of paper a week, 478 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: which is five sheets, and my mom would scream at 479 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: me because she would like used them. Because I would 480 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: make one line. If I didn't like it, it went 481 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: to the back and I did it again so it 482 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: was perfect, and my mom would yo, here's that back 483 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: on the paper. I knew I didn't like it, but 484 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: I Maleficent. I drew. I must have drawn her. And 485 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: I also did flip books with post it. I would 486 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: go to Staples and fill post it's up with flip 487 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: books and I would sit and draw all day. My 488 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: Kate cousin would draw too, so him and I would sit. 489 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: So he lived next door to me, so I would 490 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: sit and draw with him. He's not a big Maleficent fan, 491 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: but he's definitely a big faggot, and so we would draw. 492 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: He does, He's not into the Disney movies. Oh I 493 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: love her. Divine Please Ali Johnson or Frank Thomas one 494 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: of those two designed her and based her off of Divine, Right, Yeah, 495 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: that was the inspiration. Okay, that's so funny that this, 496 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: like the realm of paper was like this beautiful thank you, 497 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: because I mean I like drew a lot as a kid, 498 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: Like I didn't really grow into it as an adult. 499 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: But like the best thing that ever could have happened 500 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: in a week was my dad came home from work 501 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: and stole like five sheets from from the office. And 502 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, yes, and I still you know, 503 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: it's sad. As I was thinking about this the other day, 504 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting back into portrait painting um, but I because 505 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: I have drawn so much. I was talking to Henry 506 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: about this the other day because it's like I was 507 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: talking to him like he was playing he was like 508 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: tired of something, so he was literally like zombie eyes 509 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: but playing these amazing yea. And at Henry, I said, 510 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: does ever like shock you that, like you in your 511 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: sleep can play the piano like unbelievably well, but like 512 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter to you. And He's just kind 513 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: of like, now that doesn't matter, but those days where 514 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: you're just like share over it. And I said, I've 515 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: gone to a point in my life where I've drawn 516 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: so much that part of me is just kind of stopped. 517 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 1: I've stopped sitting and drawing at a table with my imagination. 518 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: And it really makes me sad because it was such 519 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: a personally. I don't know how. I'm not sure how 520 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to get back to it. But what do 521 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: you feel that way about? Did you? Do you ever 522 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: feel that way about comedy or stand up or anything 523 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: like that? Stand up is too new to me. I've 524 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: only been doing it five years, so to me, I'm 525 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: still exploring and discovering and finding my voice and getting 526 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: up in front of a crowd, like surges you with 527 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: that adrenaline and I have it's more goal oriented, it's 528 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: it's a new chance. I'm a person who enjoys challenge, 529 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: and it's a new challenge to me. So I'm still 530 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: learning that world. We're drawing. It's like if you told 531 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: me I need you to I can literally draw anything 532 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: you want anything. You can draw anything. Um. But that's 533 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: so funny because this goes back to the thing where 534 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: you're like, well, you know, gay people are sort of 535 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: obsessive or not all of us. I'm a very obsessive 536 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: personnel and latched onto things, did not let go. But meanwhile, 537 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: like you do let go of these things. And we 538 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: were just talking about video games before we went on 539 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: air air hit record, and like I for a period 540 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: of time in the last like five this is like 541 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: the best year in gaming in decades, I think. And 542 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: so now I'm finally getting back into stuff because there's 543 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: stuff that's like attracting me. Like for like a solid 544 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: eight years, like I was not playing video games and 545 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it's boring whatever like that. Not 546 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: that not that that's a passion or no. But it's 547 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: the same thing where it's like you you give so 548 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: much energy to something and then something happens where just 549 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: something dies about it. You have to come back totally. 550 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: You have to come and you know, I also created 551 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: a cartoon that I spent months. I mean there's to 552 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: me as a as an illustrator artist. I think actually 553 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: all art really does singing, it all functioned the same way. 554 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: The evolutionary process and what inspires it all works same way. 555 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: I think for me, I can't speak on certain people 556 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: as an illustrator, there's only so I've only had less 557 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: than five moments where my skills are up to part. 558 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: I can draw anything I want. It doesn't mean I 559 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: care about it. Where this something happens to where there's 560 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: this this surge of of like when I did my cartoon, right, 561 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: I saw it in my head and I would I don't, 562 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I actually can't put it into words. I 563 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: just knew I had to get it all out and 564 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: and in a month I did five hundred drawings, fully colored, 565 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: full drawings, characters, storyboards, outlines, and I literally one day 566 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: I did one last drawing and looked at I said, okay, done, 567 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: and and and that kind of surge where it's like 568 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: it fills you up and you have to get it out. 569 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: Has only happened like five times. Less than five happened 570 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that there was when I was in I saw him 571 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: talking so much. This is there. There was less than 572 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: that happened. I was in college and we were in 573 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: a storyboarding class and we had to come up with 574 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: like our final piece or whatever, and I was, I 575 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: just I was my my friend, Sophia's Greek, one of 576 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: my neighbors in Chicago, and her mom would do the 577 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: it's called testography where they read the coffee grounds very 578 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: similar to like tea leaves and the Greek coffee cups. 579 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: And something hit me where this story of this girl 580 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: who's Greek and she wants to learn this the ancient tradition, 581 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: and her grandmother, you know, was trying to teach her. 582 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: And one night she went to bed and she was 583 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: visited by this spirit and the spirit took her. She 584 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: fell into the cup and everything started. All the symbols 585 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: came to life, and she you know, this whole thing, 586 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: and it just hit me, and I was like, and 587 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: so I did and again, and it has to for me, 588 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: it has to happen within a night. So in a night, 589 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: I did three drawings. I just sat up and I 590 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: just did all the drawings that I probably could until 591 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: I got it out and then it was done. And 592 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: then it's like this feeling of like it out because 593 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: you're intrinsically an artist, I think sometimes like I think 594 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: that's the italing in you. It it's just that kind 595 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: of like you have to get it out. I mean, 596 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: it's the way you express yourself. You know, you just 597 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: do it, but it doesn't come like so now, like 598 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: I did Princess Cupcake, which is the name of my card. 599 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 1: Soon I'm I'm pitching two months from now. That has 600 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: all been an annoying process the entire time, not the 601 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: drawing part, the um. But I don't know the next 602 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: time I'll be that like I've tried to pick up 603 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: and do a comic book, or I've tried to do 604 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: this and that, and my brain is just like, but 605 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: it's fine that you don't know, because you know it 606 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: will happen again. It will happen. That's who you are. 607 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it may you know, it may not, 608 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: it may not, but you know what, like I just 609 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: don't believe that could happen. Because if you think back 610 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: to the beginning of your life, it's been happening right 611 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: whether whether it be in what in any area of 612 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: your life, there comes a time when when you're an artist, 613 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: you have to reveal something new about yourself, or at 614 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: least prove to yourself that you're that that you've changed, 615 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: or when you've learned things. Like for me, it's like 616 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: whenever I write like a new show, I feel so 617 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: accomplished at the end because it's like, Okay, well I 618 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: create it's something that's like a piece of myself. That's 619 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: just I think how some people exist in the world, 620 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: like writers, you know, the way that they get that 621 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: out is by writing, the actors performing, they latch onto 622 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: a piece they feel they connect to it and reveal 623 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: something about themselves. You I think maybe right now in 624 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: your life that's most naturally coming out with art, which 625 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: is like fascinating when you think taking to you have 626 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: so many talents. I would be okay if it came 627 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: even just one more time in my life. I actually 628 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: don't expect it, maybe another fifteen years, but I'm to 629 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: the kind of energy that it is is it's it 630 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: also exhausts you. You know what I mean like it's 631 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: it's an exhausting process, but it's like it's like a 632 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: it's like total Cathar said, I mean, I don't know 633 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: how to describe it, but I if it comes in 634 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: ten years from now, it comes, and if it comes earlier, 635 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: if it doesn't, it doesn't. But my skills at least 636 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: will be up to part. I mean, I make sure 637 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: that I still draw every once in a while, so 638 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: I keep up my perfect because that then the skill 639 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: isn't a variable. It's not going to be a question 640 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: mark when you do turned to it. It's like it's 641 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: unlike Mariah, where it's like hopefully when she does go 642 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: back to this like authentic place with her music, like 643 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: her limit will be that she can't like do all 644 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: five octaves, but at least she'll like return to it. 645 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: That's happened to Maria Callis too, is when she wanted 646 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: to go back that the voice wasn't able to do 647 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: what it was able to. That's what sucks about singing. 648 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: It's like athletic. It's being an athlete right. It literally 649 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: it's making me think of I stowed on every single day, 650 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: Like athletics were such a big part of my life, 651 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: Like sports were huge for me. Every single day iran 652 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: six to eight miles and I was like a really 653 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: good track athlete. And that happened all throughout high school. 654 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: And then one day I just stopped and I never 655 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: did it again. And now when I try, when I 656 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: tried to work out the way I did, or just 657 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: try to work out at all, I end up doing 658 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: too much, like really exhausting myself. And I don't think 659 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: it's because I'm out of shape. I think it's because 660 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm used to what I was still used to a 661 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: certain exactly, and I think that was with these artists 662 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: the same. It happens artists and athletes so similar. And 663 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: I think that Mariah, I think she's facing the fact 664 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: that she is not the athlete that she was, and 665 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: that is devastating. It's depressing, and that's why age is 666 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: so real. For I think that's why she hates are 667 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: on a grande. She sees premium talent right there and 668 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: it's being used to its full potential at the right time, 669 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: and she's thinking to myself and this is she's thinking 670 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,719 Speaker 1: to herself, and she is like put in an industry 671 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: where she has to think about it. Oh, should. I'm 672 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: old and I can't do what I did, and that 673 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: is the world. Joan Rivers always said, she goes comedy 674 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: will keep you alive forever. She's like, you know I 675 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: would go I mean she died, but you know what 676 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's I saw her in the last 677 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: three years of her life. And don't even tell me 678 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: that because I never saw her. I did, and I 679 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: saw her to a show on the Lower East Side. 680 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: There was like twenty five people in the audience. I 681 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: wanted to know. It wasn't three years ago, it was year. 682 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: It was my freshman year of college. I was on 683 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: a date with a girl and I saw Joan Rivers 684 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: to stand up and she was still working out jokes. 685 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: She was in her I guess eighties, seventies, eighties, still 686 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: working out jokes. Joan Rivers said, she was like, I 687 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: was at you know, you'll go out. I'll go out 688 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: to lunch with these old Hollywood actresses who are beauties 689 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: in their day, and we walk out on the paparazz 690 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: Can you please move so we can get a picture 691 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: of Joan. She goes comedy will keep you alive forever, 692 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: and I sh she is she is right I don't 693 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: even know how I fell into stand up comedy. I mean, 694 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: I should be drawing for a living, but like part 695 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: of me is happy that I'm doing comedy because it's like, 696 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: at least maybe that will keep me sharp forever. You've 697 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: got You've got, like, you know, a post to like 698 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: that you can go and touch and like so that 699 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,720 Speaker 1: you can like be in the sort of the comedy 700 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: camp for a little bit and then inevitably you'll end up. 701 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: Comedy is the world I feel most. I've always felt 702 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: a little outside of every circle group I've ever been in. 703 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: I always feel little on the outside or not accepted. 704 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: Comedy is the first place that I feel totally accepted, 705 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's big has you know, I'm with 706 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: these stand up comedians every night who are weirdos. They're 707 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: weird people, you know, And it's just the first place 708 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: I've ever like. That's why I love comedy. Two is 709 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: because I feel like I finally have a home. Like 710 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: after thirty years, I'm like, oh, I finally have a 711 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: group of people who likes me for being I don't 712 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: have to feel insecure, you know, all these things, So 713 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: you I think, hit me with the best joke I've heard, 714 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: and like maybe two or three years you went off 715 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: on this tirade about Rachel Ray and her blow job voice. 716 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: I just loved it because I was always like thinking, 717 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: what is it about Rachel Ray? And I'm like, okay, yeah. 718 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: Once she said he, I was like, yeah, it's her 719 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: blow job voice, b J blowjob. She just I mean 720 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: that shows so stressful. I can't see anything. And she 721 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: said a precedent for the Food Network to be the 722 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: most stressful network on television. We don't. Why do I 723 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: don't want to see a meal maide in thirty minutes? 724 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to watch a pudgy, little Italian woman 725 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: who can barely reach the counter run around with a 726 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: clock countdown behind her as if a bomb is going 727 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: to go off. I mean, they might as well have 728 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: sniper lights on her head while she's trying to get 729 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: her EV When you have to shorten olive oil, it's 730 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: a bad show. And she's like, okay, Like and name 731 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: emeal right now. You're not name Amelia of hers? That's 732 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: been good name one because I don't know does she 733 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: even do signature meals? She just it's it's all burnt chicken. 734 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean she does like lasagna and a mug. I 735 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean it's listen. Listen. If you were 736 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: in the eighties and you went in a coma and 737 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: you woke up and you saw Richard, what you would 738 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: say the gremlins. But I mean it's like, first of all, 739 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,320 Speaker 1: I just think, like, like cooking is not supposed to 740 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: be this thing that's supposed to be stressful and get 741 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: it done fast. And I mean I grew up in 742 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: a house where my mother forced me, my brother and 743 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: sister to cook with her every night, and it was 744 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: I loved it. We would make pizza Joe, we put 745 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: this together out then it has to rise, and so 746 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: you wait till rise and you go back and then 747 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: it's risen and it's exciting for the kids. Or you 748 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: make meatballs or sauce. I mean, it's supposed to be 749 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: this thing that's like a cultural pass down or something 750 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: that's like full of love, or something that's not supposed 751 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: to be like marketing rushed through it. Yes. Now are 752 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: you the kind of Italian that could never set foot 753 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: in an alf garden? Oh? I've gone to alv Garden 754 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: a few times in my life. A few times I 755 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: think that Trump is the Olive Gardener's presidency. There you go, 756 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: that's that read that makes sense. I mean David Mamzona, 757 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: he won't even go in. I mean if I would 758 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: never choose to go to an alve garden. I mean 759 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm a snob in all sense when it comes to 760 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: pizza and good red sauce. Yes, I'm a snob when 761 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: it comes to this. If you want good pizza, go 762 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: to Ribalta. It's on twelve Team Broadway. It's authenticated by 763 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: the EU and not Belitan government from Italy to be 764 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: Veda Pizza, which is Veim true pizza. And if they 765 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: like sell ranch dressing, their find a thousand dollars and 766 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: it is and everyone's from it, and it's kitty corner 767 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: to the strand everyone in there from Italy. Oh yeah, 768 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: of course we talked past. Okay. I just want to 769 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 1: say one thing, and and just I mean this literally, 770 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: they don't make them like Matteo Lane anymore because you 771 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: you have someone here who like has his values, sticks 772 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: to them, and they are they are linked back to 773 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: a lineage, a tradition that you know what you can't 774 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: Sully and and and for the people who do then 775 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: they get red for fealth. That's beautiful, Matteo. I love that. 776 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: Oh thank you, that's so nice of you, you know what, 777 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: because I I feel like a fucking fraud whenever someone's like, 778 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: what's a great I mean, first of all, people who 779 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: come up to me and don't know me and who 780 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: are like, what's a good dim sum place, I'm like, 781 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,479 Speaker 1: sunk off, but I don't know. I don't know. People 782 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: ask me what's a good pizza Italian place? And I say, 783 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I say Robota. I also had 784 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: to seek that when I when I came to New York, 785 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: because I had my haunts in Chicago. We have a 786 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: Sunday night with my aunt Cindy's house. But then we 787 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: had a place called Felini, which is the people are 788 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: from the exact same town in Sicily my grandpa's from, 789 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: which is like a people it's called Divago if anyone's 790 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: been there. And uh so that was like a place 791 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: I would go to in Chicago for good red sauce 792 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: and it was essentially my family's cooking because we're from 793 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: the same area of Italy. But when I came to 794 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: New York, I had to have my I had to 795 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: have my good sauce Michel, so I had to seek that. 796 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: There's another good Sicilian place called Picco Docucina on Prince 797 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: in Spring and it's all Sicilians who work there, and 798 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: they've got great it's like sort of like a top us, 799 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: But Sicilian Piccolo Couciina cute kitchen was like a little little, 800 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: little little kitchen, kitchen, a little kitchen, little kitchen, pichina. 801 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: This is kind of reminded me of how um, whenever 802 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: anyone asked me, excuse me, do you know more than 803 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: nearest McDonald's is. I can always tell, but you were 804 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: literally yeah. But the thing is, I'm not connected to 805 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: that greekness. Like it's so funny like Greek. Well, his 806 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: face when they had when they have drawings of a 807 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: Greek profile, there's Romans, there's different Mediterraneans themselves from Egypt 808 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: to Italy share common traits, our eyes, our noses. But 809 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: this face from the side is literally what you see 810 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: in Greek statues. Its flat nose that goes down like this, 811 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: and then the chin that comes out like that, and 812 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: then the big almond eyes. I mean, you literally are 813 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: a Greek face. I have a very Greek way about me. 814 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: The thing is, I wish I was more Greek in 815 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: terms of percentage. I'm like, it's but like I wish 816 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: I could like commit to something like it's not. I'm 817 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: like arguing with my own I'm culturally half Italian, but 818 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm really only a quarter because the other quarters Mexicana 819 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: and then my dad's Irish. See but even like I 820 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: don't know any of the Greek language. Yea, I wish. 821 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: I saw my big fat Greek wedding and I was like, yeah, 822 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: I get this, and I was like, that's because everyone 823 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: gets this, but also like people that really it really 824 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 1: is my child. That's a great movie. I revisit My 825 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: mom is. My mom's real dad is Mexican, but he left. 826 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: So here's the story on him. He Joaquin Maldonado. Um, 827 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: I have an uncle who is younger than me because 828 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: he had so many kids outside of the marriage. So, um, 829 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: my mom's one of seven, but actually she's probably one 830 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: of like eighteen. But the seven that she knows, um, 831 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: five of them are Italian Mexican. And my grandpa had 832 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: was a hitman in the mafia, so his job but 833 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: he was like a low end guy. So he like, 834 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: if you owed money, he'd break your legs. So he 835 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: would like he was such a horrible father. He would 836 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: leave the house for like months at a time. My 837 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 1: mother had a horrible childhood. She was essentially raised by 838 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: her grandparents from Italy, but um, my grandpa um had 839 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: another family and named those kids the same name as 840 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: my grandma's kids, but so he wouldn't confuse them. Oh, 841 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,359 Speaker 1: my god, insane. So my mom when she was twelve, Mike, 842 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: they got a divorce, and then my grandma remarried a 843 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 1: Sicilian who was blind. But he's a judge and he's 844 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: got a whole other fascinating story. So my mom lost 845 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: all connection to her Mexican grandparents, her cousins, her everyone Mexican, 846 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,800 Speaker 1: and like my grandma just shut them out, which is 847 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,320 Speaker 1: the most unhealthy way to deal with something. But so 848 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: technically stream well, she and my grandma was, I mean, 849 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: she was, I'm saying. My mom reconnected with her father 850 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: when she was thirty. She sought him and her sisters 851 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: sought him, and my grandma when she found out, was 852 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: furious and they fought real long and hard about that. 853 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: But my mom sat down with her real dad and 854 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: asked them every question, said you know he She said, 855 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: he owned up to everything, and he apologized. And when 856 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: he died, they went to his funeral and like nine 857 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: other brothers and sisters came up with the same names. 858 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: Because my mom's real last name is Meldonado, which is 859 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: a Mexican name, but should that's changed to Pomarow when 860 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: she and my grandma somehow got her birth certificate changed. 861 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: That is the most Italian ship I've ever seen in 862 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: my entire life. My mother's birth certificate changed from Cheryl 863 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: Meldonado to Cheryl Pomaro. I don't know if she did that. 864 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: You can do it, God bless no they change. That's 865 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: in sane to meet someone that literally has your name. 866 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: Because your father had another family, there's another literally to you, 867 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,880 Speaker 1: to him meldon A, Cindy Meldonado, a Deborah Meldonado, Joaquin 868 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: your and my grandma. I shouldn't be saying it's my grandmo. 869 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: My I have an uncle Jack. His birth name is 870 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,719 Speaker 1: Joaquin Meldonado. My grandma changed it to Jack Pomarow. God 871 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: bless this grandmother of you. Well, my grandma, you we 872 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: you should have her on this show. What's her culture. 873 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: Sound like my grandma. Well, she wears a housecoat. Um, 874 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: she doesn't stop running. She's eighty one. Um, she's obsessed 875 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,279 Speaker 1: with pop culture. You could call my grandma right now. 876 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 1: She could tell you anything you want to know about 877 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: pop culture. She knows everything about sports because my grandpa's blind, 878 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: so she has to read the sports section to him. 879 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: So now my grandma knows the trading and all that 880 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: other stuff. Um. She My Grandma's fascinating. I talked to 881 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: my grandparents probably twice a week. Wait where is she? 882 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:18,320 Speaker 1: And she's Chicago. Beautiful Chicago boy, Um mateo, Lane, we 883 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: don't talk about Chicago enough. I feel like you've like 884 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: fully like left that behind or is that not fair 885 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: to say? No, No, you're right in a way, I 886 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: think I was. I love that I come from Chicago 887 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: in Chicago is such a beautiful city and and what 888 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,200 Speaker 1: an amazing city to grow up in, I mean just 889 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: culturally and the down I mean everything about it. I 890 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: went to school there, went to school the Artistitute of Chicago. Um, 891 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: and very best started school in the country. Um I uh, 892 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: and I almost didn't go to college. I was so 893 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: horrible in high school. Um. I hate that that holds 894 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: people back high school, I was every day I would 895 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 1: come home and cry. I was made fun of constantly. 896 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: I was a loser. I was um, just full of shame. 897 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: And in therapy, I'm really working because the one thing, 898 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: my biggest thing in life is just needing to be 899 00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: liked by people. And I had such a struggle with 900 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: that my entire life that everything from my physical appearance 901 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: to inside, I am constantly still trying to shed those 902 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: those um feelings. What did they say about you in 903 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: high school? Faggot and make fun of me? And you 904 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: laugh at me? And I mean I would I had 905 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: I to the point where I had does I knew 906 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,799 Speaker 1: what halways to walk in, what periods to avoid certain people. 907 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,479 Speaker 1: So it was and I just remember and I tried 908 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: to do choir and I tried to do um uh 909 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: show choir, and I was so I couldn't handle. I 910 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: mean now, I have a good sense of humor, and 911 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: that that came from the years of I mean, you know, 912 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: but it it just took such a long time to 913 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: get overcaring what will think about me, and it's still 914 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: to this stage. Things. I was in Ohio two weeks ago, 915 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,320 Speaker 1: I called faggot three times in a day. God, and 916 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 1: I but I mean no, I mean just just when 917 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: you were on stage, I wasn't. I was going to Starbucks. 918 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: I got what was called a drive by faggot. So 919 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm standing there. It just sounded like, I know, it 920 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: really hurts. It sticks with you so much. In fact, 921 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. A lot of the way that 922 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: I've chosen to dress over the past five or six 923 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: years are subconsciously always in my mind. I'm like, well, 924 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to be called faggots, Like I can't 925 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: wear this. I mean, that is something that gay people 926 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: think about. That that and I'm sure women deal with obviously, 927 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: and just like, God, what am I gonna wear exactly? 928 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: What with gay men is different than it is with women, 929 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,000 Speaker 1: And for me, it's specific. It's specifically like how can 930 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 1: I butch up? And I always say this, I always 931 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: make fun of the healths kitchen gaze about this, but 932 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,240 Speaker 1: I'm guilty of it too. How can I best dress 933 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: up like the guys that made fun of me in 934 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,319 Speaker 1: high school so that I look like them so they 935 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,840 Speaker 1: won't target me today. I have a group of friends 936 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,239 Speaker 1: that I've found over the past year that I've they're 937 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: not comedy related, Bob, but like they're they're just so 938 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: wonderfully like my friend, my friend Patty is. I'm like, 939 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 1: my heart swells when I think of Patty. He's five 940 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: of five, long red hair, walks around the winter. He 941 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: lives in Washington Heights and has a giant fur coat 942 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: and doesn't give us and smokes and just what called 943 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean he, I mean, they just they're just living there. 944 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,959 Speaker 1: That's like my inspiration for you know, it's so funny. Okay, 945 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: how much time do we have? Time? Okay, So I 946 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: was talking about this today with my therapist about how 947 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,239 Speaker 1: when I'm on stage, I'm still struggling. Like last night, 948 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: I did Hartford, Connecticut, so the majority of the audience 949 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: doesn't know who I am, and they are straight. I mean, 950 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: i performed with straight people every single lot, and I'm 951 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: still coming out of the closet. I'm still dealing with 952 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,440 Speaker 1: my sexuality and I and you know what's crazy. I did. Okay, 953 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: so I've done. I've technically done too late night sets. 954 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: Only one of them aired. Oh yes, I did. Fills 955 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: me with rage every time I reminded of two years 956 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: ago I did a late night set, and we will 957 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: not name who it is because I whatever. I guess 958 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,240 Speaker 1: that's the appropriate thing to do. And for two months, 959 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, they call you first and say we want 960 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: to work with you and get you on late night. 961 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: Said awesome, and then you work out your material and 962 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: blah blahlah blah, and we figured out a set. We've 963 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: gotten down perfectly, send in the transcripts and I got 964 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: what you're wearing. Yes, oh yes, I might have not 965 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: my stomach saying this story right now. Um, And it's 966 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,239 Speaker 1: not a pity me, but it's so whatever. Um. I 967 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: did the show, I flew out, I filmed it. I 968 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,440 Speaker 1: did the show, and then they say, well, we'll air 969 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: it like a week later. Two days later, I got 970 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: a call from the producer and she said that in 971 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,760 Speaker 1: the way she I could find her finding her words. 972 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: I could hear her finding her words. My opening joke 973 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,840 Speaker 1: was I sing opera. And then I say that's how 974 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: it came out to my dad, and she goes, well, 975 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: we love your first joke, and we'll say his name 976 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,440 Speaker 1: is Tom. Tom loves your first joke. Uh, but we feel, 977 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: we think, we feel that you will you should just 978 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: stray away from that for the rest of the set, 979 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: and I said, what do you mean, yeah, and she goes, well, 980 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: now they want to come back to film and I said, um, okay, 981 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, can I I knew what 982 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,840 Speaker 1: were this was going, so I was testing her. So 983 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,959 Speaker 1: I said, well, can I talk about dating? Well, we would? 984 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think that we would just feel comfortable 985 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,800 Speaker 1: if you just you know, we want to see the 986 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: fun mateo. We want to just see the different side 987 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,520 Speaker 1: of mateo, you know, and and let's not hit the 988 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 1: same point over and over again. Fun for them. And 989 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: I said, well, can I talk to my brother? You know, 990 00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: I just feel that Tom thinks that we would we would. 991 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,320 Speaker 1: It would really be in our best interests if we 992 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: would just avoid that, Tom pick, will you let's get 993 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: it out up front and then let's just move on 994 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: to other things. And so I called my manager and 995 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 1: her and I got into a fight and then I 996 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,560 Speaker 1: said no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do it. 997 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: And it sent me into here's what I'm happy. It happened, 998 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,400 Speaker 1: strangely enough, one a year later, on August the exact 999 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: same day, I did seth Myers, who had the same day, 1000 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,480 Speaker 1: and no one had any they were so wonderful. They 1001 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: were like, do whatever you want. I mean they I didn't. 1002 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,399 Speaker 1: I got not a single note. They said, do whatever 1003 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: the funk you want. It's a great yes, oh thank you. 1004 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 1: And but yes, it was great that I could say 1005 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: what I wanted to. But at the time, like I 1006 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: think a year year and I think it was how 1007 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,960 Speaker 1: long ago was August not that time, It's like ten 1008 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: year and a half ago. I was in such a 1009 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: bad place mentally. I think it's a comic. I got 1010 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: a lot early, and it swells your head with the 1011 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,399 Speaker 1: wrong idea of what's important. And so at my at 1012 00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 1: that time, at that time, the focus was credits mean everything, everything, 1013 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,560 Speaker 1: This means everything, and I became obsessed. And when that 1014 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: thing happened with Tom and that late show, I crumbled 1015 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: because I didn't know what was important to replacing a 1016 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: lot on them. And it was also dealing with everything 1017 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,280 Speaker 1: from my sexuality to my identity to everything about high school. 1018 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, all those demons came back up, right, But 1019 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: at that point, it's like that's on them, that's not 1020 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: necessarily on you, thinking oh, well, credits mean everything, but 1021 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,800 Speaker 1: it's absolutely mean you got I mean, you got that 1022 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,320 Speaker 1: on them, but they're in power. And that's what's frustrating, 1023 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 1: and that's the unique predicament of it. It's like, I 1024 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,920 Speaker 1: know this is wrong, and you know what, I can 1025 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: tell in the timber of your voice that you know 1026 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: this is and yet we're still doing this. This woman 1027 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,840 Speaker 1: knew she was wrong, and Tom knows he's wrong. I 1028 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: actually think though, because what's funny is like right after that, 1029 00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: I had gotten a ton of road work with Lisa 1030 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: Traeger and so every week and her and I were 1031 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,360 Speaker 1: out on the road and she's like Russian immigrant refugee, 1032 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: tough cunt, and she did not let me feel sorry 1033 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 1: for myself and she really helped me focus and other 1034 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: people too in my life obviously, but Lisa was a 1035 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,879 Speaker 1: main factor of now I feel so different. I feel 1036 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: like my main focus is the most important thing, our 1037 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 1: relationships and and nurture the friends in your life. That 1038 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: really means something too, because that's the most important thing. 1039 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,840 Speaker 1: And number two, care about what you're talking about on stage, 1040 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 1: being on stage, care about the things you're saying, care 1041 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,840 Speaker 1: about that, make sure the work is good. Everything else 1042 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because you know Lisa, Lisa brought up 1043 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 1: a good point to me too, because a lot of 1044 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: people get stuff or someone gets this or someone gets that, 1045 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: and it's you know, Lisa goes the Macareno was a 1046 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: hit at one time, and now you know, are you 1047 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: is this so race or we in it for the 1048 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: long run? You know, I plan on doing this the 1049 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: rest of my life. So I don't care if so 1050 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: and so does this sort of so and so does that. 1051 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm still doing this and I that was something that 1052 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 1: never occurred to me, and so I think the past 1053 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: year has been a huge shift in my perspective mentally 1054 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: of what is important to me and what the outlook 1055 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: on life should be. But I mean, even like I 1056 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,759 Speaker 1: think when I met you, probably, I mean I was 1057 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: in that that that mental and I can see some 1058 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,000 Speaker 1: other comedians now who are in that mentality and it's 1059 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,440 Speaker 1: a prison. And I'm not saying I'm better for it, 1060 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,839 Speaker 1: but i still struggle with things, but at least I'm 1061 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,120 Speaker 1: working hard to move past. I think it's more difficult 1062 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: for you guys in the stand up world. I really do. 1063 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: I think I think that's why you see a lot 1064 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,960 Speaker 1: of comedians coming out later in life. A lot of 1065 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,880 Speaker 1: people that are that are doing stand up right now 1066 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: that are closeted, that are very sick, I know, a 1067 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,600 Speaker 1: very famous. But but the thing is, I think in 1068 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,680 Speaker 1: the world of sketching, in the world of improv and 1069 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:52,719 Speaker 1: the kind of like UCB community, it's more insulated. So 1070 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: that is one thing is you feel like I'm not 1071 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: really getting what it's like to perform for like an 1072 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,239 Speaker 1: audience of people in midtown like you are. But it 1073 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,320 Speaker 1: also feels more safe. I mean, it's very safe for 1074 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: the gay community. I think it's very safe for the 1075 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: most part, for women and for you know, racial minorities. Um. 1076 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,680 Speaker 1: But then you step you take one step out, and 1077 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,880 Speaker 1: it's the stand up world, and it is more vicious. 1078 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,919 Speaker 1: Audiences are more unforgiving. Yeah, people, I think some comedians, 1079 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: some non stand up comedians, see the way I behave 1080 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,080 Speaker 1: sometimes towards audiences and think that I am like vicious, 1081 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,839 Speaker 1: like spinning venom. But listen, girl, there are three there 1082 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: are four stand up gay men doing it in the 1083 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: city and only two of us doing clubs. And first 1084 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: of all, like Joel, now, I don't ever see Joel. 1085 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: And the reason is there's you can't put two gay 1086 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: people on the same line, which sucks because then I 1087 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600 Speaker 1: don't get a chance to see my friends, and I 1088 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,440 Speaker 1: never see totally different sets to completely different people. And 1089 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, people can't disassociate the gay thing. They see 1090 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,239 Speaker 1: me and Joel and say they're both gay. We're gonna 1091 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 1: hear the same thing. Don't book them, And so Joel 1092 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: and I never see each other, and I'm literally out. 1093 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes in the truth, I've been chased out by Turkish 1094 00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,880 Speaker 1: guys for Turkish guys who called me a fagot. And 1095 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: the show, well, it was one o'clock in the morning, 1096 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,320 Speaker 1: and of course, you know, listen, stand ups are not 1097 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: soft people. You know, my friends are these people? Are? 1098 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 1: There are some So you got into it with them? 1099 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: Oh yes, I said, Really, I said, I'm the faggot. 1100 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. It's one o'clock in the morning on 1101 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: a Saturday, and I'm seeing four men together table and 1102 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: not a woman to be found watching a gay man 1103 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: perform on stage. Who's the fagot? Now they chased me out. 1104 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,160 Speaker 1: I had to go through the kitchen to get out. 1105 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,399 Speaker 1: I've been heckled at most shows. I'm heckled most shows. 1106 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,160 Speaker 1: People say something gay, something homophobics, And every night I 1107 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: get on stage and I say who is gay, and 1108 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: maybe a hand goes up. So I'm performing. But also 1109 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: that's different from what we experienced. Gay men do not 1110 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: and listen don't know sad song for me. I love 1111 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,440 Speaker 1: my life and I love these shows. You've got more 1112 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: money than us too. Well that's for the bait. But 1113 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, like gay men also have a real problem 1114 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,400 Speaker 1: with gay men performing. That's not or not a go 1115 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,480 Speaker 1: go boy. Yeah, talk a little bit about that. Well, 1116 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: Joel and I actually just Joel texted me the other day. 1117 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: We were chatting about that because I mean, I did 1118 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: an AIDS event once in Chicago, got booed off on 1119 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: my stage. Well I let them, I let them have it. Well, 1120 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,240 Speaker 1: I hope. So first of all, I play. I performed 1121 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,240 Speaker 1: in a place that used to be called manhole. Secondly, 1122 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,920 Speaker 1: they was doing this show. It was a benefit for AIDS, 1123 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: and they would have like crochet jock straps on porn stars, 1124 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,720 Speaker 1: and then they had the porn stars go up first, 1125 00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: so the sex sex sex for fifteen minutes, and then 1126 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,160 Speaker 1: they did an intermission, and then they all come back 1127 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: and then they go okay, now comedy and I go 1128 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,440 Speaker 1: on stage. I'm on stage for two minutes struggling to 1129 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,560 Speaker 1: get anyone's attention. No one's listening to me, and so 1130 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,719 Speaker 1: I said, is anyone gonna listen? And this one guy 1131 00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: y else he goes, yeah, well listen if you put 1132 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,359 Speaker 1: on a jock strap. And so then I go off 1133 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:55,719 Speaker 1: and I say, oh, I get it. Because I'm not 1134 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: Kathy Griffin or the ghost of Joan Rivers. You assholes 1135 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about me. I say, but you 1136 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,480 Speaker 1: you won't support your own performers, but you'll support that 1137 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,400 Speaker 1: weekend at Bernie's in Vegas called Britney Spears, And then 1138 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 1: they started booing. But then I doubled down. I was 1139 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,839 Speaker 1: like Christina as a cunt. I'm sure you're all mask 1140 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 1: tops and you can all funk. I did six minutes 1141 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: and was the sound of two men booing. You is 1142 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: one I'll never forget. And I get off stage and 1143 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,400 Speaker 1: I walk and I go into the green where there's 1144 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: seven porn stars staring at me like I made the 1145 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: wrong choices in life. I mean, it was a night 1146 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: I was thinking yesterday actually about why RuPaul's drag race 1147 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: is such a sensation. It's one of the only ways 1148 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,280 Speaker 1: that gay men can become stars. Think about that, Like 1149 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 1: there are there are very few gay men who are 1150 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: like actual stars. I mean you've got Neil Patrick Harris, 1151 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,439 Speaker 1: You've got Matt Boehmer, and then like whatever you could 1152 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,919 Speaker 1: list the rest, and they're becoming more. But that's because 1153 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 1: they're so fucking incredibly hot their Instagram, like you call 1154 00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: them lobotomy or just those Instagram out as. You know, 1155 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 1: these that are so dumb, they've they've they've come from 1156 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: a lobotomy. Yeah. You know what's so funny is like 1157 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,120 Speaker 1: I have a whole joke on this right now where 1158 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: it'say gay men are. First of all, they don't even 1159 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: give gay roles to gay people, they give those straight people. 1160 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: And number two are only other options are robots. Every 1161 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: robot's gay. First of all three are two is a lesbian. 1162 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,720 Speaker 1: She came with a tool belt. Listen to the Barber 1163 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: Streisan version of Hello Dolly and Michael Fastbender and Alien 1164 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 1: and Ash from the original Alien died into Boukaki. I 1165 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: mean that's our only options is where robots. You saw 1166 00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: the New Alien where he kisses himself just so stupid. 1167 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: But I loved it, but awful. I loved it too. 1168 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: But the Joel and I saw together like it was 1169 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,560 Speaker 1: with Amber Nelson and to watch it with both of you. 1170 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 1: When you want to go to a scary movie, you 1171 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: go with Amber Nelson because literally one time we took 1172 00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,520 Speaker 1: to see Annabell Member that dumb movie about the dollar. 1173 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,720 Speaker 1: So oh no, no, no, no, no, Amber talk and 1174 00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm oh, she gets real quiet, right, and like an 1175 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,640 Speaker 1: Amber and a full theory will just go oh fun. 1176 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's great, I can hear that. Just okay, 1177 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,680 Speaker 1: But no, it's like what you were just saying, Matt, 1178 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,160 Speaker 1: and what it was, what Mateo was just saying, And 1179 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,960 Speaker 1: it's what Guy Brandum says all the time. It's that 1180 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: unless you're a drag queen, a gogol boy, or a 1181 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:24,800 Speaker 1: fucking porn star game. Let me just say I think 1182 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,160 Speaker 1: through through my experience so far, and I think it's 1183 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 1: like me and James Joan, who's been putting in the 1184 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,720 Speaker 1: work for a long time, Guy Brandam, Julio, Joel, you know, 1185 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,680 Speaker 1: in the world of stand stand up, I'm just talking 1186 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,520 Speaker 1: stand with specific here. We are putting in the work 1187 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,280 Speaker 1: and I hope that we're being shown, you know, like 1188 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: late night sets and half hours and specials, and it's 1189 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: slowly becoming more acceptable, and I'm finding that audiences are 1190 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,560 Speaker 1: also more open to hearing about my life and curious. 1191 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,160 Speaker 1: And I find that a lot of men, uh do 1192 00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: not know gay people in their lives that their friends with, 1193 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm opening a door for these people to 1194 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,440 Speaker 1: show them a little bit into our world and to 1195 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: and to also hopefully show that we're more like than 1196 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,760 Speaker 1: we are different. I try to bridge that gap as 1197 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 1: much as I can in my stand up. But you're 1198 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: an ambassador to them. You're an ambassador to them. And 1199 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,840 Speaker 1: then you guy Joel James, uh, you know, Julio John. 1200 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,000 Speaker 1: You guys are blazing the trail. It's it's beautiful to see, 1201 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,720 Speaker 1: it really is. And I think the good thing too 1202 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: is all of us are friends, and I mean we 1203 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: may not talk every day, but I love these Tim 1204 01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,479 Speaker 1: Dylan is a big one. Um. Yeah, and Frankly Atti, 1205 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,959 Speaker 1: you know, there's a group of us who are doing 1206 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 1: it and they're not doing it in just the gay scene, 1207 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,840 Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with that, but we're I mean, yeah, 1208 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,760 Speaker 1: it's and it's great and a lot of times, you know, 1209 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: I got criticism from older comics when I first came 1210 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: out because I was getting a lot and people would say, oh, 1211 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: how did you find your voice so quickly? And I said, well, 1212 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,800 Speaker 1: gay people were forced to find our voices when we 1213 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: were thirteen years old. We were suffering from demons. And 1214 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about staples. You know what I mean. It's 1215 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,760 Speaker 1: it's like it's a a friend thing. It's a different thing. 1216 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,960 Speaker 1: You had to just develop that sensibility as a defense mechanism. 1217 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: You really did, so, Patty Harrison says all the time, 1218 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: And I really think about that a lot. Um. Wait, 1219 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,880 Speaker 1: I just want to get back to this whole Tom debacle. 1220 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: But I remember, like in the weeks leading up to that, 1221 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,560 Speaker 1: to that first set recording, the three of us were 1222 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 1: at Kellog's Diner in Williamsburg. We were in this section 1223 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,320 Speaker 1: and we had the waitress with the goofiest fucking voice 1224 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,080 Speaker 1: and the worst mac and cheese and the worst mac 1225 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:34,760 Speaker 1: and cheese. Oh my god, I remember her. She definitely like, Hey, 1226 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,240 Speaker 1: it was really you want and change? Yeah, okay, and 1227 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,440 Speaker 1: then she flew through a wall. No, I don't think 1228 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,320 Speaker 1: she ever said a llegible like not legible and intelligible, 1229 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't think that there 1230 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: was ever a moment where I really was confident in 1231 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,080 Speaker 1: knowing what she was saying, and it was it was 1232 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: I want to say, it was not a language thing. 1233 01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: It was a specific the boy the voice, Okay, it 1234 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,400 Speaker 1: was just it was beaker from the well. I'm so 1235 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,520 Speaker 1: happy you brought that back into remember that, and I 1236 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,160 Speaker 1: remember we ordered mac and cheese without bacon. They brought bacon, 1237 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: and they brought bacon and with like little cheese. Also, 1238 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 1: don't order the mac and trees that kellogs down to you, guys. 1239 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: It's literally it's it's so bad. It's and Lisa one times, 1240 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,640 Speaker 1: like you said it was the best in the city. 1241 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I was like, you obviously heard me wrong. And I 1242 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,120 Speaker 1: have multiple eyewitnesses to the bottom of the barrel bad. 1243 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,640 Speaker 1: It's like literally like what you get it, like the 1244 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,840 Speaker 1: fucking Dwayne rate. There you go. We can corroborate this 1245 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 1: for Mateo on behalf of Mateo to Lisa, Mateo, Matt 1246 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 1: and I hated it. I even talking about Maria Kallis. 1247 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,480 Speaker 1: I love this whole thing. I don't want to take 1248 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 1: up your guys this time. I feel like I'm wasting 1249 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,120 Speaker 1: everyone time. Let's talk for a second about Maria cost 1250 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,080 Speaker 1: We don't it doesn't have to be the lecture. I mean, 1251 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 1: in order to see the lecture on you have to 1252 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 1: be with mat On Maria cost You have to seek 1253 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,840 Speaker 1: out single, single pay, pay eight dars for an eight 1254 01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:02,480 Speaker 1: week class. Yeah, give us like the prime bridge bridge 1255 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 1: to tell us who she was, because the children are 1256 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,320 Speaker 1: not going to know whom Mariday. Tell us what she was. 1257 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,800 Speaker 1: I'll just I'll keep it very brief. Ride Kallis was 1258 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 1: an opera singer American born Greek descent, moved back to 1259 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,400 Speaker 1: Greece during the war. Had to learn at the Conservatoire 1260 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: in Greece and sell things to the black market order 1261 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 1: to keep her family alive. She also went in She 1262 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,800 Speaker 1: was supposed to be eighteen. She was a big girl, 1263 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,080 Speaker 1: so she lied she was thirteen. She learned early. She 1264 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: learned from a Color Tours soprano, and Maria had a big, 1265 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,480 Speaker 1: heavy voice, but she learned. It's almost like Avatar last Airbender, 1266 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,840 Speaker 1: like firebenders who learned water bending moves. It's like she 1267 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,080 Speaker 1: was a firebender who learned water bending and it was 1268 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 1: more fluid. Pavarotti also learned how to breathe from a 1269 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 1: Color Touri soprano, and that's why he was so fluid 1270 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: from Joan Sutherland. She taught him how to breathe. That's 1271 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: why Paparata could do trills, which a man to do 1272 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 1: trills is like, that's insane, um man trill um. She 1273 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: was a big, fat singer, had a huge range, could 1274 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,840 Speaker 1: sing anything for the female voice. Um. And she married 1275 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: this old part named Meneghini, who was this Italian businessman, 1276 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,600 Speaker 1: and then she lost a hundred pounds in less than 1277 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,360 Speaker 1: a year and became the fashion icon of the world 1278 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: and had and had like yes, but she had a 1279 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of controversy in her life, a lot of controversy 1280 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: in her life. She left her husband for Onassis and 1281 01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,120 Speaker 1: they had an affair, and then she left her career. 1282 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,280 Speaker 1: And then you know, she got thrown out of the 1283 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Roman opera one night, and this a whole hubbub, and 1284 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:37,320 Speaker 1: then she um Onassis destroyed her because then she she 1285 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,840 Speaker 1: married Onassa's she stopped singing, so she lost all the 1286 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,960 Speaker 1: great muscles for opera that you need. And then he 1287 01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,040 Speaker 1: she got pregnant by him, and he said, you have 1288 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 1: me or the baby, so she had an abortion. Then 1289 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: he married Jacquely Kennedy behind her back. After she got 1290 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,120 Speaker 1: an abortion for him. Then she went back and did 1291 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 1: Tasca and it was a success. But then she just 1292 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,160 Speaker 1: just sort of shriveled in her French apartment, her parents apartment, 1293 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: and when Onnassis died, she barely after apartment again for 1294 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 1: the rest of her life and died at age. Has 1295 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,600 Speaker 1: to be a story we all know. Is there a movie? 1296 01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,280 Speaker 1: I we're going to do a movie of master Class, 1297 01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,160 Speaker 1: which I don't like that play because it doesn't represent 1298 01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,280 Speaker 1: who Maria Calls was because she did teach master Class 1299 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,640 Speaker 1: at Juilliard and I've listened to all of them and 1300 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,360 Speaker 1: she is a musical genius, genius. Who would you cast 1301 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,960 Speaker 1: in the role of Maria Callis someone who's Mediterranean Greek looking? 1302 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:28,320 Speaker 1: They wanted um Meryl Streep is not. Maria is know not. 1303 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean the physicality of her is really important because 1304 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:34,640 Speaker 1: she had giant eyes. Giant knows she she was beautiful. 1305 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,959 Speaker 1: She was just this total Mediterranean woman and you can't 1306 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: get someone with soft features in there. You need like 1307 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,720 Speaker 1: a young Liza Maybe I don't know. I have the 1308 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,080 Speaker 1: same eyes as Liza many and they're beautiful, like just 1309 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 1: giant sleep babies. It's just no, but they're not they're 1310 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: just they're just slant in this gorgeous way. Mine slant 1311 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,160 Speaker 1: down like this, which is it's yeah, it's a Southern 1312 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Italian trade. People in Southern Italy, we all have the 1313 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,280 Speaker 1: same eyes. Our eyes go down like the US. They 1314 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,560 Speaker 1: wrap around like that and it's a heavy eyelid. And 1315 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,840 Speaker 1: people always think I'm high or tired, like are you tired? 1316 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: And I'd say I'm wide awake. This is just how 1317 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 1: it love I don't have. I can't even think of 1318 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,439 Speaker 1: an actress that fits that. I'm sure there's someone. There's 1319 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,720 Speaker 1: got to be someone, but not off the top of 1320 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,880 Speaker 1: my head. I can't think someone's strong, you know, Maria. 1321 01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 1: And Maria was a total diva by the way. I 1322 01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: mean when she was interviewed like what do you think 1323 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:25,400 Speaker 1: of your your rivals and she goes, oh, I don't 1324 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:30,000 Speaker 1: mean to correct you, but I don't have rivals. She was. 1325 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,760 Speaker 1: She was quite a diva. She she basically started how 1326 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,800 Speaker 1: the way we sort of look at these glamorized divas, 1327 01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,040 Speaker 1: very similar to Judy Garland and just the operatic Judy 1328 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,480 Speaker 1: Garland sure sure not drug addicted though, but lost her 1329 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,040 Speaker 1: voice and there's a video of her singing um uh 1330 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: no pu mesta. And this is the nineteen sixty two 1331 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: and she had she was trying to come back. She 1332 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: could sing at a medso voice. She did a recording 1333 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,200 Speaker 1: of Karmen, so her voice was with Karmen was great 1334 01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,640 Speaker 1: because it's just for the soprano. But when she tried 1335 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: to get back into those coloratura quick embellishments. There's a 1336 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,040 Speaker 1: video of her and she was doing some good chromatic skills. 1337 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 1: Down at the very end, she tries to go up. 1338 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I think the note was only like an F and 1339 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: she had this giant wobbles to her voice. Literally it 1340 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 1: was it is like it is bad to so awful 1341 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,680 Speaker 1: that this seems to happen a lot with these like 1342 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:34,040 Speaker 1: not but like it's so frustrating that it seems to 1343 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,360 Speaker 1: happen a lot like very few of them. She's happy. 1344 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,920 Speaker 1: John Earle and I talked about this in depth one 1345 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,480 Speaker 1: day and we decided that we like it because hear 1346 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,800 Speaker 1: me out, hear me out, we need tragic figures. Hear 1347 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:52,240 Speaker 1: me out, Maria, Maria Whitney. They are they are a judy, 1348 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: are a big flash that goes out quickly. Where is 1349 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,280 Speaker 1: someone like Beyonce is just consistently good. But beyond say, 1350 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,080 Speaker 1: it's not that same Whitney, you know, like just like 1351 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: you hear her singing, you think, you know, like this 1352 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,919 Speaker 1: trap Beyonce is just so good at everything and it's 1353 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 1: not the same like and John really said, it's it's 1354 01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,599 Speaker 1: it's got to be something about that flash when Maria 1355 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,880 Speaker 1: cows is the same way when she's saying no one 1356 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,800 Speaker 1: had ever heard a voice go above and e at 1357 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,000 Speaker 1: full voice, no one had ever heard a medical studio 1358 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,080 Speaker 1: color retort, no one ever heard a singer who can act, 1359 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,559 Speaker 1: no one ever heard of a fashion all these things. 1360 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,200 Speaker 1: She was doing this big flash in the pan and 1361 01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: then sets the standard for the rest of everyone else 1362 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,200 Speaker 1: in that career, but then just done. Wow. I mean, 1363 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,120 Speaker 1: I think there is something to that, to what you 1364 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,559 Speaker 1: and John were saying, because I think it's like when 1365 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,280 Speaker 1: the flash happens and everyone starts getting in on it, 1366 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:49,040 Speaker 1: they're like, we like, we're in on this while it's happening. 1367 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe there is something too that where 1368 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,680 Speaker 1: it's like we're witnessing this it's not it might not 1369 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,880 Speaker 1: last forever, and we're witnessing something new. I'm witnessing something 1370 01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,040 Speaker 1: that's never been heard before. You know that's there? Do 1371 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:01,680 Speaker 1: you think you have to explain to people? Is the 1372 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,479 Speaker 1: sounds you hear from singers today come from singers like 1373 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Judy and Barbara, you know what I mean? Like Barbara 1374 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,640 Speaker 1: in the sixties, no one ever heard someone sing like 1375 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,880 Speaker 1: that before. She was doing shows in men's clothing with 1376 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,439 Speaker 1: Egyptian I make up long fingernails, eating baked potatoes on 1377 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,520 Speaker 1: the stage and speaking French and Italian to the audiences 1378 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: and then singing like you wouldn't even believe. And people 1379 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: don't didn't know that sound, they never heard that sound before. 1380 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,599 Speaker 1: But now, who's coming close today for you? Is there 1381 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:37,479 Speaker 1: anyone doing anything new? Jennifer Hudson blows me away when 1382 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,840 Speaker 1: I listened to her sing. But she's not that magnetic personality. 1383 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,679 Speaker 1: She's a bit of a dud. She really she's gotten better. 1384 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,600 Speaker 1: I think it really believing what she sings like. I 1385 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,360 Speaker 1: just saw her do a performance on the Voice and 1386 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,800 Speaker 1: it was a ship song. It was like it was 1387 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,200 Speaker 1: a song, some some stupid song. I don't even know 1388 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,680 Speaker 1: what it was called, some something like I remember me. 1389 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,200 Speaker 1: It was like, I think the producers are more important 1390 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:01,640 Speaker 1: than the artists now, Yeah, and and so then that 1391 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 1: need for that type of singer doesn't exist anymore. It's 1392 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,519 Speaker 1: a shame because you know, you give her material where 1393 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,759 Speaker 1: she can really show her gift and like everyone's blown away. 1394 01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean, but also that's a frustrating story because Jennifer 1395 01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 1: Hudson famous for dream Girls. When you really go back 1396 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,759 Speaker 1: and you watch the Jennifer Holiday performance on the Tony's, 1397 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,560 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a true that's a true moment in 1398 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,439 Speaker 1: time that is untouchable. Yeah, I mean, it's it's so brilliant. 1399 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,040 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is, like no one has the 1400 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. You know, who is a singer. 1401 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna play two seconds of her voice because I 1402 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:41,840 Speaker 1: think you'll really like it. I love singers that are 1403 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,600 Speaker 1: I'm so Italian. I love singers that I have to 1404 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,639 Speaker 1: be so extreme. And that's why I love Mariah because 1405 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,280 Speaker 1: this is extreme. There is a singer named Cleo Lane 1406 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,240 Speaker 1: who's now in her eighties and she's British but she's 1407 01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: half Jamaican. So she's got this beautiful froe hair and 1408 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: this like sort of deep deep alves in and she 1409 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,760 Speaker 1: has this weird sound and she's jazz singer. Weird sound 1410 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,720 Speaker 1: was a very mouful shoulder thrond of her voice. She 1411 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,200 Speaker 1: seems about down here, but she has a five octave. 1412 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,680 Speaker 1: So this is an example. I'll just play some like 1413 01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: like like no, wait, this is just like her normal voice. 1414 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:34,800 Speaker 1: Like you'll hear like the low sounds one second, yes, 1415 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,160 Speaker 1: very kind of like almost like Shirley Bassie solferic and 1416 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:51,920 Speaker 1: then the very act Oh okay, crazy Cleo Lane Cleo, Lane, 1417 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,639 Speaker 1: l Ai and e. I was gonna say, maybe she's related. 1418 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,880 Speaker 1: That was to teach the children. Moment, teach the children. Guess, guys, 1419 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 1: get on lazing she is. She's got these eighties now 1420 01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,799 Speaker 1: she still sounds good. Stop singing when she gets a wobble. 1421 01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,920 Speaker 1: And she hasn't gotten a wobble. Um wait, I just 1422 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,120 Speaker 1: want to bring this up today. I listened to Small Duty, 1423 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,479 Speaker 1: I think Cottage for Sale. She she does this live 1424 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:20,920 Speaker 1: version of It's So good, It's so good? What do 1425 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,360 Speaker 1: you think of it? Tony's last night, I didn't watch them. 1426 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Did you know? I was on a bus. Sorry, you know, 1427 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,479 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, there was nothing that happened. I can't 1428 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,840 Speaker 1: believe Bett Mitler did not perform. I can't believe she 1429 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,320 Speaker 1: did not perform. It's so frustrated. She's she's up there. 1430 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean she's yeah, but she's she's up there. But 1431 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,040 Speaker 1: she's doing it every night. It's not about age. It's 1432 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,280 Speaker 1: entirely about they didn't want to work it out our 1433 01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,200 Speaker 1: money or ego or whatever. And that's the one night 1434 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: a year you have to show the rest of the 1435 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: world what's happening on Broadway to sell it because people 1436 01:12:54,160 --> 01:13:00,280 Speaker 1: need to save it from going under. She said, no, 1437 01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:07,280 Speaker 1: I sent David Hyde, Pierce and your Steed it. You 1438 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,519 Speaker 1: know the singer who are the singers that you cry? 1439 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,599 Speaker 1: Because my the only singers that can make the car 1440 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,800 Speaker 1: are Judy okay, specifically a performance of her singing Somewhere 1441 01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,240 Speaker 1: over the Rainbow when she was in the hobo outfit 1442 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,800 Speaker 1: in like nineteen and um Maria calls, there's the only 1443 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: two singers that make you cry? Is difficult female singers, 1444 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,599 Speaker 1: any singer. Um Okay, this is such a lame answer, 1445 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,800 Speaker 1: but like not not just because of his cover of 1446 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,479 Speaker 1: Hollylo Yad Jeff Buckley. He's this whole live set from 1447 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:43,479 Speaker 1: this venue called sen A. It's beautiful. Um And then God, 1448 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,760 Speaker 1: maybe Selene. I love I love Selene. Selene can stir 1449 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,680 Speaker 1: up any emotion in me. What about you, Matt. I 1450 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,880 Speaker 1: think that Selene certainly makes me feel many emotions. I 1451 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,479 Speaker 1: think she's one of the most emotional singers we've ever had, 1452 01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:02,280 Speaker 1: and it is and I think that she's definitely a 1453 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:08,879 Speaker 1: good answer. I am very touched by Whitney and honestly 1454 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:15,280 Speaker 1: like her first Home. Yeah, I will say, you know, 1455 01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,920 Speaker 1: speaking of Home, the Diana Ross performance of Home Act, 1456 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,479 Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing. She really told the story for me, 1457 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:24,760 Speaker 1: and that was heard her best. Honestly, the last time 1458 01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,679 Speaker 1: I cried at a singer, and I really don't cry 1459 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,240 Speaker 1: too much of the music I feel in other ways, 1460 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: I kind of get up on my feet and move around, 1461 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,880 Speaker 1: like That's kind of how I deal with my emotion 1462 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,680 Speaker 1: when I'm really moved. I'll like, lately I'll cried full 1463 01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,240 Speaker 1: coffee commercial. Yeah, I mean, I'm not a crier. I'm 1464 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:38,880 Speaker 1: like a mover. I have to get up on my 1465 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,639 Speaker 1: feet when I feel the spirit. Um. But I cried 1466 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,720 Speaker 1: when Kelly Clarkson sang on the last That's beautiful. I 1467 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: do love her and I sometimes cry to a really 1468 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,400 Speaker 1: sorry about it, honest to god, country singer, any any 1469 01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:57,000 Speaker 1: country singer that can really plant their feet sang. But 1470 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,000 Speaker 1: then again, I also think that's the lyrics. I think. 1471 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,040 Speaker 1: I think I'm very susceptible to a good storytelling song 1472 01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: and really honestly delivered lyrics. And that's honestly something I 1473 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,400 Speaker 1: think about myself, as I really respond to lyrical content 1474 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and and that to me has to go hand in 1475 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,080 Speaker 1: hand with the vocal performance. But did you just pull 1476 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,479 Speaker 1: that melody out of your as? I love it? Okay, 1477 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,840 Speaker 1: let's move on to we gotta do. I don't think so, honey. Um, So, 1478 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,640 Speaker 1: just so you know, guys, if you're just tuning in 1479 01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,640 Speaker 1: good episodes, are just tuning in on y'all. Um, we 1480 01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,479 Speaker 1: do a little thing. I don't think so, honey, take 1481 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,760 Speaker 1: one minutes of reile against culture or something that's you know, 1482 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,920 Speaker 1: just not right with us, not just not sitting right 1483 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,000 Speaker 1: with us. So Bowen Yang he shocked me today when 1484 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,519 Speaker 1: he came in and said that he has one because 1485 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: usually not super prepared for this. God love him, Thank you? 1486 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Are you ready? I'm ready? And I'm not saying it's 1487 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,639 Speaker 1: just because it's prepared. It's gonna be coherent, but we're 1488 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,719 Speaker 1: gonna go with him. That's fine, okay, and Bowen Yang's 1489 01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,840 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Time starts now. I don't 1490 01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,200 Speaker 1: think so honey, Facebook dot Com for putting a twenty 1491 01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,559 Speaker 1: four hour band on me posting and lightning ship because 1492 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,920 Speaker 1: someone reported me for posting a photo in front of 1493 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,960 Speaker 1: the White House yesterday during the Equality March with pride 1494 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,960 Speaker 1: flags everywhere with just anti Trump signs. I captioned this 1495 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,200 Speaker 1: photo fag power hashtag equality March. Someone decided to report 1496 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,040 Speaker 1: it for offensive language, so it was taken down. And look, 1497 01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,960 Speaker 1: it's not an automatic thing. Someone at Facebook, some fucking 1498 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,120 Speaker 1: twenty five year old dipshit wearing sea glasses at Facebook 1499 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,320 Speaker 1: head for headquarters in Menlo Park, California, saw this post, 1500 01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,280 Speaker 1: saw this report, decided it was okay to give me 1501 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 1: a band. I don't think so ony, Facebook dot Com. 1502 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,519 Speaker 1: I don't think so one of you biggets, I hope 1503 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,120 Speaker 1: you bleed bleed out if you're fucking assholes. For all 1504 01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,479 Speaker 1: I care you don't like gay people. This is not 1505 01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,439 Speaker 1: the month to do. On the day of the Orlando 1506 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,840 Speaker 1: mass the Orlando shooting of all days. Have some respect, 1507 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,360 Speaker 1: you pieces of ship. You're done. I hate you. Move 1508 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,680 Speaker 1: out of this country. I don't think so, honey. I'm 1509 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:56,360 Speaker 1: sorry that was got really real. I feel this so strongly, 1510 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,840 Speaker 1: and I'm at at Facebook, and today I was like, honestly, like, 1511 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't think I need this. You know, I have 1512 01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,760 Speaker 1: not posted on Facebook, and I think in a salad here, 1513 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: I don't go on Facebook. You don't need it. Although Bowen, 1514 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,760 Speaker 1: while you were speaking, this thought occurred to me. I 1515 01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,479 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been surprised if it was a gay that 1516 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,680 Speaker 1: did that. I wouldn't have been surprised if because I 1517 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,920 Speaker 1: was thinking, I don't know, you guys, it's a year 1518 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,000 Speaker 1: since Pulse. I think that today it's Pride Month. I 1519 01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,160 Speaker 1: think Pride Month is amazing. It's an amazing time to 1520 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,599 Speaker 1: be proud. But I also think it's a really good 1521 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,080 Speaker 1: time to look within and check ourselves. And I think 1522 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,680 Speaker 1: what you were saying before is really a thing. And 1523 01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 1: gay people are cruel to each other, and I think 1524 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,679 Speaker 1: it's great that we can all rally together for something 1525 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,640 Speaker 1: like remembering Pulse and in the wake of Pulse and 1526 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,160 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And I think Pride Month is really 1527 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,400 Speaker 1: is more important now than ever. But I will say 1528 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,880 Speaker 1: that that thought occurred to me, that that someone could 1529 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,800 Speaker 1: have seen the word fag because there's a lot of 1530 01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,720 Speaker 1: people in the gay community that just don't want to 1531 01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,000 Speaker 1: saying it at all, or like have limits on people 1532 01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,679 Speaker 1: saying it. I'm sure in every community gets you visited 1533 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 1: because Eddie Murphy track. I don't know, it just occurred 1534 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: to me sometimes now I'm I'm looking for home a 1535 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,040 Speaker 1: phobia from within as well, and absolutely we need to 1536 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,560 Speaker 1: do that. And like, I love our community, I love it. 1537 01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, and you know what it is, it's 1538 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,080 Speaker 1: whenever Drag Race winds down, I think about this because 1539 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,639 Speaker 1: they're so fucking cruel to those people, these these trolls, 1540 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,719 Speaker 1: these like young gays who don't get it. I'm really 1541 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,759 Speaker 1: young gays and also young young straight people who watched 1542 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,560 Speaker 1: the show just because it's fun. They don't get it. 1543 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,080 Speaker 1: You know. I went to Drag Coon and it was 1544 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,120 Speaker 1: predominantly straight women who were there. I mean, there were 1545 01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:35,719 Speaker 1: a lot of gay men, but there was a lot 1546 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,640 Speaker 1: of straight women. Straight women love Drag Race, Yeah I was. 1547 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,400 Speaker 1: I was blown away by that. But I'm sure, like 1548 01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure you, I'm sure Bob has gone through the 1549 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,960 Speaker 1: same sort of hateful speech. I mean, it's just you 1550 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,280 Speaker 1: put yourself out there and people. We've had some talks. 1551 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,920 Speaker 1: I want to tear you down. Oh yeah, even you've 1552 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,479 Speaker 1: gone through this. But anyway, so I mean I was 1553 01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,719 Speaker 1: talking about Bobby, Yeah, I get it. The first comment 1554 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,280 Speaker 1: I ever got when I was on UM Guy Code 1555 01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,080 Speaker 1: was this faggot off MTV. That was like the first 1556 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,519 Speaker 1: tweet I got, awful, awful, awful, And you know this comment. 1557 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why it stays with me, but Matt 1558 01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,200 Speaker 1: and I shot a video with Comedy Central one time. 1559 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,519 Speaker 1: Some asshole never read the comments, never read the comments. 1560 01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,880 Speaker 1: I know. I've learned this, and I truly don't anymore. 1561 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,479 Speaker 1: But like, and because of this ship, like someone said, 1562 01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,559 Speaker 1: would be better without Asian faggot. Yeah, and you know what, Bowen, 1563 01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,519 Speaker 1: that is that person's problem, of course. And I know, listen, 1564 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm always speaking from experience. You really, the more you 1565 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,679 Speaker 1: guys are both super talented and you guys are both 1566 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,880 Speaker 1: going to be very successful, and especially for you, people 1567 01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,880 Speaker 1: are gonna be making racist comments. And I learned it 1568 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,080 Speaker 1: from Joan three years ago. She was in an interview 1569 01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,160 Speaker 1: and I've stuck to it. She goes if you're saying 1570 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,160 Speaker 1: something negative, you're wasting your time. I am not looking. 1571 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:55,240 Speaker 1: Go ahead, write all you want, not looking, And I thought, yeah, 1572 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,920 Speaker 1: because you know what, you'll never win. You'll never ever 1573 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,680 Speaker 1: ever everybody on your side. The best you can do 1574 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,680 Speaker 1: is live your life, and the best that you can 1575 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: do is be the true person that you can be. Listen, 1576 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,719 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you have two options. 1577 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,559 Speaker 1: One you do what you want to do, you express 1578 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,679 Speaker 1: yourself how you want to express yourself. Or two, don't 1579 01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,120 Speaker 1: and crawl into a hole and hide away from the 1580 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,320 Speaker 1: world because you're afraid that someone's not gonna like you. 1581 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:24,960 Speaker 1: So listen, you're doing the right thing, and people are 1582 01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,639 Speaker 1: gonna say all these awful, horrible things. Don't look. Don't look. 1583 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:31,880 Speaker 1: I could, I mean I could cry right now. It's 1584 01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,519 Speaker 1: it's thank you mateo. That's okay, all right. If you 1585 01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,320 Speaker 1: can't love yourself, hound the hell, you're gonna love somebody else. 1586 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,280 Speaker 1: So you just get some pills lies. And now I 1587 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,840 Speaker 1: feel shitty that I even have to do. And I 1588 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,839 Speaker 1: don't think so right now, but I'm going to continue 1589 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,560 Speaker 1: to come for the community and my I don't think so. 1590 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Here go Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. This 1591 01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,080 Speaker 1: is a very self critical within a lot these days, 1592 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,519 Speaker 1: been through a lot. Here we go and time starts. Now, 1593 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,439 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Reddit, bitch, you finally got me. 1594 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,080 Speaker 1: I went on there and I know everything that happens 1595 01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,840 Speaker 1: in that fucking finale of drag Race, and I am 1596 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,880 Speaker 1: so upset with myself. But you know what, I also 1597 01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,280 Speaker 1: blame a lot of my friends who dangle and dangle 1598 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,400 Speaker 1: and dangle the Reddit info in front of me. And then, 1599 01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a curious motherfucking cat, and I 1600 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,240 Speaker 1: have to look. I went and I looked, and there 1601 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,400 Speaker 1: was more revealed than I wanted them to be revealed. 1602 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,439 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, I'm gaged. But also I'm 1603 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,920 Speaker 1: disappointed that because I know, and I'm thinking to myself, 1604 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,640 Speaker 1: fuck with these reddits. I don't think so, honey, with 1605 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,639 Speaker 1: all these spoiler websites, with our like television culture nowadays, 1606 01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,000 Speaker 1: nothing can be enjoyed in the moment, and it's made 1607 01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,639 Speaker 1: the way I watched TV different. I don't think so, honey. 1608 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,720 Speaker 1: Reddit sites like you and you people on Reddit who 1609 01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,799 Speaker 1: don't put the spoiler at least ban over the words. 1610 01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,720 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna touch it, but just put 1611 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:53,639 Speaker 1: it there. Follow the rules, bitch all you read at users, 1612 01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:59,040 Speaker 1: I hope that you don't enjoy anything ever again. You 1613 01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,720 Speaker 1: gotta stay off that just for an listen. I don't 1614 01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,200 Speaker 1: even know how to use it. It's first of all, 1615 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:08,280 Speaker 1: it's horrible to navigate, and then you get in there snapchat. 1616 01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,000 Speaker 1: I'll never do it again. I'll never do it again. 1617 01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:16,799 Speaker 1: People on the on the drag Race subread are sharing 1618 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,120 Speaker 1: some of the things she was reading on read and 1619 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,560 Speaker 1: I was like, why are you reading that? Yeah, oh no, 1620 01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 1: she's she's got to get off. People are terrible to her. 1621 01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even know it existed, but she found a 1622 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,920 Speaker 1: really funny meme someone made of her, and I was 1623 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,519 Speaker 1: running after her with a snowball. Because you never think 1624 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be you. I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm 1625 01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,720 Speaker 1: on there. I'm sure he knows. The thing is like, 1626 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,000 Speaker 1: when you're a queen that gets on drag Riss, you think, 1627 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, my life's going to change. You think 1628 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,720 Speaker 1: there's no way I'm going to be the villain, right, 1629 01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,920 Speaker 1: and then you fucking become the villain. And also, yeah, 1630 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,040 Speaker 1: like it is based on ship that you do. But 1631 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: it's also a drag competition, and you're supposed to be 1632 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,560 Speaker 1: shady and a bit fine. People don't really get what 1633 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,280 Speaker 1: drag is. I don't think they do, especially the young 1634 01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,360 Speaker 1: girls to love it. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, it's time 1635 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,080 Speaker 1: for God. Now I feel like I don't want I 1636 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,720 Speaker 1: don't I don't have this. I think what you told 1637 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,240 Speaker 1: us before the show, you don't have to do that one. 1638 01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,679 Speaker 1: But you told us before we started recording, I thought 1639 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: was perfect. But you can do anything you want. Um 1640 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,280 Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, uh Suddenly I'm so stressed out. 1641 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,479 Speaker 1: I'll try them and I can't do the same energy 1642 01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:23,600 Speaker 1: level for many time starts. Now I don't think so 1643 01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,519 Speaker 1: Kelly an Conway. And here's the thing is, I know 1644 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,479 Speaker 1: that she's like like Mika from A Morning Joe my 1645 01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,880 Speaker 1: favorite shows to watch always says that she's like political porn, 1646 01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,120 Speaker 1: that these pundits bring her on and just have her 1647 01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,640 Speaker 1: argument argument in these circles. I just think that we 1648 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,720 Speaker 1: better off if we could put her in season one 1649 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,880 Speaker 1: of Fox's The Swan, a show where they took nineteen 1650 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,200 Speaker 1: women who honestly needed a blow out in a new 1651 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,519 Speaker 1: like jacket, but forced them to if the months of 1652 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,519 Speaker 1: invasive plastic surgery and shielded them from their families and mirrors, 1653 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:55,640 Speaker 1: and then made them look exactly like the host of 1654 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,400 Speaker 1: the show and then force them into a beauty pageant 1655 01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,120 Speaker 1: with the other women. I just think that the only 1656 01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:03,120 Speaker 1: reason comic could exclause one, get her and those bags. 1657 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,880 Speaker 1: You could smuggle children in with under her eyes and 1658 01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,479 Speaker 1: just fix that face. And then two we could have tied. 1659 01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,200 Speaker 1: We could be she could be out of our lives 1660 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,519 Speaker 1: for at least six months, and then she can come 1661 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,160 Speaker 1: back at least we could, you know, look at her. 1662 01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:16,880 Speaker 1: So that's it. So I just don't think so Kelly 1663 01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,400 Speaker 1: and Comma, there you go. That's one minute. That's that 1664 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,479 Speaker 1: was how they were putting women on television. That shows 1665 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,760 Speaker 1: so horrible. But I would have watched eighteen seasons. Have 1666 01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,240 Speaker 1: you heard about this Bachelor in Paradise garbage? No, So 1667 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,200 Speaker 1: there was sexual misconduct apparently, like there could have been 1668 01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,400 Speaker 1: a sexual assault on the show, and Bachelor in Paradise 1669 01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:39,559 Speaker 1: is now canceled. And they were filming for one day 1670 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,160 Speaker 1: and the contestants got so fucking wasted that like something 1671 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,680 Speaker 1: bad happened and they had to pull and I'm like, well, 1672 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:51,080 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? This is literally rape culture on television, 1673 01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,599 Speaker 1: and that I do you know, literally the only shows 1674 01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,720 Speaker 1: that I watched on TV. I wake up every morning, 1675 01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,960 Speaker 1: I put on Morning Joe, I make my coffee. I 1676 01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,559 Speaker 1: don't know why I like that. I listened to Howard Stern, 1677 01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,240 Speaker 1: I watched Love You, I watched Wendy Williams, and then 1678 01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,479 Speaker 1: that's it. I watched Zelda stuff on YouTube. I've been 1679 01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,920 Speaker 1: watching Zelda stuff on YouTube too, and it's things you 1680 01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,640 Speaker 1: didn't know about this game. Seventeen things you didn't know 1681 01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,160 Speaker 1: about this game. It's like, get like fucking um, like 1682 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,200 Speaker 1: snowboarding on your shield. Watch that video where it's like 1683 01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,280 Speaker 1: here's Longland ranch from Achering of Time. Yes, and it's 1684 01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,360 Speaker 1: the exact same, exact same, and it's creepy as how 1685 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,519 Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful conversation that was happening before 1686 01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,120 Speaker 1: when I was like, we gotta start of the episode. 1687 01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,519 Speaker 1: I watched game run throughs the people beating my favorite 1688 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:33,960 Speaker 1: games from when I was a kid. They beat it 1689 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,360 Speaker 1: like in an hour and there's like a bunch of 1690 01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,160 Speaker 1: people around them, and then like it's like some cancer benefits, 1691 01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,479 Speaker 1: Like oh I love something about this, mateo you even 1692 01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,120 Speaker 1: should have go to after this. But anytime you want 1693 01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,360 Speaker 1: this summer come over. I got I got my switch 1694 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,719 Speaker 1: so we can play Mario Carba can play this arms. 1695 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,679 Speaker 1: I also would just like to sit and play Zelda. 1696 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,479 Speaker 1: Please Zelda and you I would watch a play Zelda. 1697 01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,840 Speaker 1: You wouldn't you watch Dice versa. That's my favorite thing 1698 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,559 Speaker 1: is to watch When I grew up all my cousins, 1699 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,479 Speaker 1: my cousin Michael was the oldest, so he would play 1700 01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,080 Speaker 1: the video games and me and all my other cousins 1701 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:00,760 Speaker 1: would sit and watch him video and one of my 1702 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,760 Speaker 1: favorite things to still do. To fantastic. I think you 1703 01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,760 Speaker 1: guys at home can all come to and me and 1704 01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,720 Speaker 1: you guys will go smoke a ball on the next room. 1705 01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,719 Speaker 1: Everyone listening is invited. Guys, we've had such an amazing guys. 1706 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so I really thank you so much for 1707 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,600 Speaker 1: having me on the show. Truly, really seriously one of 1708 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,439 Speaker 1: the most talented people that we know, and we love 1709 01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:26,479 Speaker 1: you good so much. Thank you, Thank you, bye, guys. 1710 01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:35,479 Speaker 1: This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by 1711 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,520 Speaker 1: Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and Brett Bom. For more podcasts, 1712 01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:41,880 Speaker 1: please visit Trevor dog Productions dot com,