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Speaker 2: Out here. The stakes are real. Effective. Preparation starts with fitness,

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Speaker 2: but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience,

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Speaker 2: Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of

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Speaker 2: wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in

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Speaker 2: the back country. This is In Pursuit brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Mayhem Hunting in Pursuit podcast. Uh Rich Frohning here

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Speaker 2: and we got Josh bird bergeron Kip Folks.

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Speaker 2: Grizzy run him down. I mean, you see all those

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Speaker 2: but if you're in a tree stand, you're kind of stuff.

437
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a little bit more mobile.

438
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious to know, like, as you've gotten into it,

439
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: and obviously the podcast relative to hunting is like because

440
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: this is interesting, right, I go to a lot of

441
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 1: the trade shows. I've been in the industry a long

442
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: time and I see parts of the hunting industry and

443
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 1: some of it is amazing. Some of it gets a

444
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: little bit you know, too many trophy hunters trying to

445
00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: fake pictures and act like they're hardcore, but they're not.

446
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,479
Speaker 1: Have you gotten into like the you're trying to like

447
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: fill all your North American animals. Have you thought about

448
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: like sheep hunting. Have you gotten into all these different

449
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 1: aspects or are you really just kind of focusing in

450
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 1: on a few things that you love, dude, because there's

451
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: so much pressure on these like, oh, you're not a

452
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 1: big game hunter if you haven't done your North America

453
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty six, thirty eighteen. I don't even know.

454
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm not even that I'm not that into it. But

455
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, as you've got in the industry, is that

456
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 1: as that been a thought.

457
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: Bird can speak to it. I'm more of a like,

458
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot anything that I see. I'm they they'll

459
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,560
Speaker 2: have to talk me down off of stuff because I

460
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 2: just like to hunt. Man. I just I enjoyed the

461
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 2: meat side of it. I enjoy the pursuit side of it.

462
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: You know, Scott will be like, hey, let's not shoot

463
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: something on the first day if it's not at least

464
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 2: you know, like elk wise, They're like, if it's not

465
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 2: even we're in a good unit, like it, it's gonna

466
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: be bilks or something. I'm like, I don't know if

467
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: I can. You know, like these guys, man, I just

468
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: like being out there. I love I love hunting.

469
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: I love but anything that is like in the back

470
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: of your head like wow, if I could do that

471
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: one day, that is.

472
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: Legit, I think, you know. I I'm really into the

473
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: style of elk hunting right now. I love elk hunting.

474
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 2: A moose is huge. I want to go up to Alaska.

475
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: You know. The hard part we talked earlier is the

476
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: kids and how long it would take for a trip

477
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 2: like that. You know, sheep sounds awesome because it's just

478
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: hard to get to and you know, I enjoy the challenge,

479
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: but I don't have any of these, like, oh, I

480
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: gotta have a Yeah, that's I don't even know what

481
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: the hell of three hundred inch bul looks like in

482
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: the wild, you know, Like I have a you'll know

483
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: when you shoot, right, I have probably I don't even

484
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: know if mine. It's a probably mid two fifties five

485
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: by five is the first one I ever shot. Dude,

486
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 2: I freaking loved it, you know, like I every and

487
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: every time I walk by that mount, I remember the

488
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, the stories of us hanging out and how

489
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: long it took and how hard it was. Man, I

490
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: just I just enjoy being out.

491
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: I think it's healthy, right because you're you're you have

492
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 1: a huge voice in the fitness industry, and as you're

493
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: coming in and really putting a stake into the kind

494
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: of outdoor and hunting, I think it's good to have

495
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: kind of just like a fun let's go after because

496
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: I I will say, I struggle with parts of the

497
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: hunting industry where they put all these labels on did

498
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: it score?

499
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 3: How big is it?

500
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I bought the Outfitter

501
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: is I actually enjoy taking people out to hunt. H Yeah,

502
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: it's great if you shoot a monster. And we shot

503
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: some great bears and I was super excited this past season.

504
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: But also we had some guys that had never been

505
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: to Alaska, they never shot bears before. They shot like

506
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: average bears, nothing big, and these guys and it's so funny.

507
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: I had some guys that are like, dude, he's monstrous,

508
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in the back mind I'm like, yeah, hey, dude,

509
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: he's it's kind of a small bear. And the guy's like,

510
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: but that's what it means to him. And I didn't

511
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: say a word. I didn't say, hey, that's only a

512
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: seven footer or that's an eight footer. I didn't say

513
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: a word. I just sat there and smiled, like this

514
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: guy really, he's like, I shot a monster bear. And

515
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going that's what Yes, you did, No

516
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: you didn't, because that's all that really matters. So I

517
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: think it's good to have personalities come into the space

518
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: and kind of lighten the load a little because I've

519
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: been a part of it for a while. Man, it's

520
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of underbelly alley of the

521
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: Hunt space.

522
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: Man. So we we did two archery hunts. We got

523
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: two archery bulls this year, and then we went to

524
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: our least third rifle season and I didn't I had

525
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: a bull tag. I didn't even kill it. But my

526
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: best friend he's killed a couple of bulls. And we

527
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: get to this bowl and it was the first time

528
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: I've ever been like, all right, I'm gonna let somebody

529
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: else have the show, and I like me and Scott

530
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: got there first, hyperventilated. He's hyperventilating. He's like he walks

531
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: up and I'm like, do you want the stand? And

532
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: he's like, wait what, Like he was shocked that I

533
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: was going to give him the shot. I'm like, do

534
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: you want the tripod? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'll take it.

535
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: And then I'm trying to talk to him. He's like,

536
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: I can't hear you. My heart's beating in my ears,

537
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: and like, because we huffed it to get to this thing,

538
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 2: we got to it first. Granted he'd seen it the

539
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: day before. We think there was the same bult. He

540
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: made a good shot and we got him, and you know, man,

541
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: it was like hell, yeah, that was cool. That Yeah,

542
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: you know, you're just part of it, right, yeah? Right?

543
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: Sharing yeah, sharing is caring, but like when it comes

544
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: outdoor pursuits. Man, I've done a bunch of it by myself.

545
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: It never is the same when he's more fun with

546
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: the team.

547
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 2: Man.

548
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done some backcountry stuff when I was all

549
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: by myself and I was like miserable and I didn't

550
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: even appreciate it. I was like, yeah, because I wasn't

551
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: suffering with anybody.

552
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 2: No, you need somebody to stuff with. Man, That's that's

553
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: so true because like you know, usually Scott's with me

554
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: or birdsmen with us on a couple, and it's just

555
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: so much more fun because I look at it, you know,

556
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 2: like he was like, oh you killed. I'm like, we

557
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: killed because you know, we did it together. It's especially

558
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: especially big game. Pack it out, or you'll like coming

559
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: up with a plan, like me and Scott work well

560
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: together because we've kind of grown and we've learned from

561
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: the same guides or the same people that were like,

562
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: oh we need to go over here, we need to

563
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: do this. We fight, you know, like whatever and be like, oh,

564
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: you're a dumb ass, We're not doing that, or he'll

565
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 2: you know, well I think we should do this, and

566
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: so you can make it fun.

567
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 3: You can appreciate this.

568
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: I've told this story a couple of times, but not

569
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: too many people, and never on a podcast. But you

570
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: know Cam real well. I started hunting with Cam. He

571
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: had done some kind of hardcore hunting that he wanted

572
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: to invite me to. So he invited me this spot

573
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, and his best friend Roy, who he grew

574
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: up with, who's since passed away, who's a savage, was

575
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: a savage, was on that same hunt. And my dad

576
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: comes into town. We go to Wyoming, small town. We're

577
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna hike up into this pass, the twelve thousand feet

578
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do some backcountry hunting with Cam. We're

579
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: in the local grocery store and we're kind of getting

580
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 1: all of our stuff together, last minute supplies, and we

581
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: see this guy kind of pushing a cart, a big guy,

582
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, wearing some sweats. He's got like an Alaskan

583
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: T shirt on. He's throwing like gatorade, peanut butter, Snickers,

584
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: Twinkie bars, all kinds of stuff. Didn't think anything of it.

585
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: And then we get to the trailhead and we see

586
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: that same guy getting out of his car shoving all

587
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: that stuff in his backpack and we walk up to him, We're.

588
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: Like, are you Roy.

589
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: He's like, oh yeah, Roy, and we hit it off.

590
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going over here. You guys are gonna

591
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: meet Cam over there. I'll meet up with you in

592
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: a couple of days. We're like, great take off. Two

593
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: days later, he shows up in camp. He's got shorts on,

594
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm wearing everything I own. We're eating freeze dried meals.

595
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: He's having peanut butter and gatorades. Doesn't even care, wearing

596
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: no camouflage, killed a bull, packed it out himself, and

597
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: then came over to help us.

598
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: I have never felt.

599
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: So inferior as an outdoorsman, and I was like, yeah,

600
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: you need to toughen up a little bit. But that

601
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: was like my first kind of experience with cam style

602
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: of hunting. And it was funny because my dad and

603
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: I had to leave and we left some meals for

604
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: Cam and Roy because they ran out of food for

605
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 1: two and a half days and they fought like over

606
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: a Snicker's bar, so you know, like you can bond

607
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: over that stuff, and then you know, that was like

608
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: my one story with Roy that always sticks out like.

609
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: Some savage Yeah, that and everything.

610
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: You think you need yeah, you don't quite need, right,

611
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: And I think, cause you'd be a better outdoorsman and

612
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: you become more skillful, you actually bring less.

613
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: I brought a lot.

614
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: When I was younger, thinking I need every situation to

615
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: get covered for. And as I gotten better, I find

616
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: that I've gotten less and less and less and you

617
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: get more.

618
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: Yes, what would be some of those things that you

619
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 4: used to bring compared to now?

620
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: Man, I don't change clothes like I do, not bring

621
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: any extra Yeah, maybe maybe an extra puffy here and there,

622
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, make sure you got your good rain jacket,

623
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: emergency blanket, and a lot less food. I can go

624
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: on so much less food than when I was. I'm

625
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: still hungry. I just dig deeper and I don't want

626
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: to carry the weight and and I think, if I

627
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: don't have the food, it's not in my head to

628
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: stop and eat, and I'll kind of like think through

629
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: how to manage it better.

630
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: But if it's there, I'm bored.

631
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta make camp, got to eat, you know,

632
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: And it's so, you know, maybe some other survival stuff

633
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: that weighed me down a little bit, some extra things

634
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: here and there, but freaking knife, some firestarter, enough food

635
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: and move on.

636
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: I even giving up water treatment really yeah, like get sick.

637
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: It's funny because the lasta we just drink out of

638
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: the rivers, you know, so I get good at like

639
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: what what looks like good water? And yeah, those are

640
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: some of the things.

641
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this year we went on a couple

642
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: uh you know more we went one with a guide

643
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: and one with the Born and Race guys and we

644
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: were just in a tent and yeah it wore the

645
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: same pair of pants for five days and didn't even

646
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: think anything of it.

647
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: I'll carry socks and that's about.

648
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, socks, socks, underwear maybe to change every once in

649
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: a while.

650
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny once you get into the late

651
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: season Alaska, like what we've learned or what I've learned

652
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: from the guides uh that I've partnered with and my

653
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: partner Tim Winslow, it's like you wear chest waiters, that's

654
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: what you wear. Really you're gonna get wet, Yeah, so

655
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: you might as just wear waiters all the time. So

656
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: like you don't even bother like pulling out the hunting

657
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: pants or like put on your rein gear. It doesn't

658
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: need to be raining in Alaska. You walk through the

659
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: bushes you're wet. Alders are ten feet tall, so like

660
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I get a nice pair of super right weight, yeah,

661
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: lightweight stuff, not like the waterfowl with the big heavy.

662
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: You could get some nice sims, lightweight waiters and you

663
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: live in them, but you know what you're getting your tents.

664
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: End of the day, you're dry.

665
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

666
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: So it's been fun to see some of the like

668
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: long like guides that have been in Alaska a while.

669
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: They definitely like I'm picking up on their tricks. Yeah,

670
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: and that that was one of them. So I was like, uh,

671
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: of course I show up and my waiters are brand new.

672
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: Theirs look like they're thirty years old. I'm like ripping mine. Yeah, yeah,

673
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't look like I don't look like the Dingleberry

674
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: with all brand new stuff. That's the worst feeling.

675
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: Yea. Who the guy we were talking to, I forget

676
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: what we were on. He's like, you can tell if

677
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: your guy's how good they are a boy, how new

678
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: or how old their stuff is.

679
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: There's like a rite of passage with an Alaskan guide,

680
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it applies to a lot of Western states.

681
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: If you have a jacket and it doesn't have patches

682
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: on it. You're not a good guy. If you meet

683
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: a guide and you're like, dude, can't afford a new jacket.

684
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: He's got duct tape on the elbow, he's got one

685
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: of those sticky patches.

686
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, that dude's legit.

687
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: It's like he's not going to buy a new jacket,

688
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna put a patch on it. So that's kind

689
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: of like once you get to Alaska and you're walking

690
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: around the airport and then when you get into camp,

691
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: I want to be with the guy that's got patches us.

692
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, looking for a patch guy.

693
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: It's funny.

694
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: We do packers, so you have to come in a

695
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: couple of seasons early. If you want to become a guy,

696
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: you have to be a packer, and we don't pay you,

697
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: so you we give you free room and board, but

698
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: you got to earn your stripes.

699
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: Man.

700
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: It's like the best test.

701
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: They're either they kill it or like a week into it,

702
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, dude, we got you a plane ticket.

703
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: You're out of here.

704
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: You can't wake up in the morning saying you're sick,

705
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: don't want to go get water, don't want to get

706
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: up early to make coffee for the client. You're like,

707
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: like zero tolerance. Yeah, Like my partner Tim Winszow, he's savage,

708
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: he's a good person. Makes one mistake, he's like, you're out.

709
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: It's because up there.

710
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you make one mistake, you're dead.

711
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Can't deal with it, Like you can't have someone who's

712
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: going to be lacka days ago.

713
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: So it's been it's been good learning.

714
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought I knew a lot and I

715
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: think Alaska will show you.

716
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Kind of that that extra level. So you guys said

717
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: you you'll interview potential clients.

718
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get on the phone with them and really

719
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: like what are you kind of shape? How much have

720
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you hunted before? Have you been to Alaska? And honestly,

721
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: the biggest part of it, and maybe you guys can

722
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: appreciate this is like setting expectation. Once the client starts

723
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: telling you he must kill a certain sized animal, it's.

724
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: A red flag.

725
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: The best way to shoot a monster brown bear is

726
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: to come up and not kill a brown bear for

727
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: multiple years, because you pass smaller bears, you shoot a

728
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: bear on the first day, on day seven, you might

729
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: have saw a monster. So it takes a certain type

730
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: of person to pass up a quality animal. There's a

731
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: quality moose there. He's not a giant. You said you

732
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: wanted to shoot a giant. So setting that expectation is

733
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: difficult with some people because I think the industry markets

734
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: like it's not successful if it's not like, I don't know,

735
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: if you've seen a fifty five inch moose's pretty big,

736
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: Well I need a seventy I'm like, yeah, Okay. They

737
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: come along like once in a blue moon. So when

738
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: we're talking with him, we kind of like needle to

739
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: find out what they're yeah, like what's their goals? And

740
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: then the physical and mental part and then a lot

741
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: of times, especially with older gentlemen, this is like a

742
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: bucket list for him. They don't want to tell you

743
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: that they're like having health problems. Yeah, And so they

744
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: show up in camp and you're like, hey man, everything

745
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: all right? Well this oh, I got a urinary track infection.

746
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: You know, I got my knee drained last week.

747
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: And we're like, cool, if you just would have been

748
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: honest with us, we maybe have thought about where we

749
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: were putting you, because we picked the biggest mountain because

750
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: you said you were ready to roll. So I think

751
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: being honest us up front and that's cool. Everybody doesn't

752
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: have the same physical abilities and we're fine with that.

753
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, just tell us, just tell us.

754
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, yeah, talk us through what are

755
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 4: you looking for? When you talk about the physical and mental,

756
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 4: Like you're interviewing somebody, like what are you looking for

757
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: in them? And say, Okay, you're ready for this hunt?

758
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I don't want to sell like a jerk.

759
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: It.

760
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the truth, right.

761
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: Everybody that knows me is gonna be like, what do

762
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: you mean, Kip, you are jerk? Yeah.

763
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: No, here's the deal.

764
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: Like when you meet someone at a trade show or

765
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: through word of mouth, they call you and they start

766
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: immediately telling you all the ship they've killed Red Flat,

767
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: excuse my friend Red Flat, and and then you try

768
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: to butt it. You know, Hey, cool, everybody's excited. Everybody

769
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: likes to share stories.

770
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: And that's part of hunting.

771
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: But there's a point where you kind of cross the

772
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: line where you're like, Okay, this dude's overcompensating. He's not

773
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: actually as qualified as he's making himself out to be.

774
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 1: Those people always turn out to be a problem. Hey,

775
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: I was in Tanzania and I've shot this and I

776
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: killed this, and I've killed that, and I've killed this

777
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: and I've done that, and it's like cool. Yeah, like

778
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: if they if you come to find out those things

779
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: through conversation, but when they like really, that tells me

780
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: they're a little bit stretching who they are and we

781
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: we have to be careful. There's a thing in Alaska

782
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: called wanton waste. If you shoot a bull moose and

783
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: you don't take all effort to get that meat out

784
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and taken care of in a very short period of time,

785
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: it's a felony offense. It's not a misdemeanor good, it's

786
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: a felony. And so that I can also reflect poorly

787
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: on the guide and the guiding outfit. You know, my

788
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: company and my partner Tim, so we're picky and if

789
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: we start seeing some of those red flags, we'll go,

790
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: we'll dig in. So I hope that answered the question.

791
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you do. Do you have guys show up and

792
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 2: they're just physically not not ready?

793
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's think about this.

794
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: Price point wise, you could buy a nice whitetail hunt

795
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: Illinois maybe five to seven thousand dollars and they're great hunts. Right,

796
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: you start getting into diy move It's fifteen k. A

797
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: full Moose is thirty five Guided Moose, A Brown Bears

798
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: twenty eight. So those price points push it up into

799
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: people that can afford it. Here's the deal listeners, money

800
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: makes you soft.

801
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Biggie says, more money, more problems it Yeah, Cam said somebody.

802
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Cam says he's gonna send me a shirt that says

803
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: soft and rich trying to be poor and hard.

804
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 2: Money.

805
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: I think guys that have done well have have potentially

806
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: let themselves go a little bit because they have a

807
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: comfortable life and they can afford things. Got a hot tub,

808
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: they got a pool, they probably got a weight room

809
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: they don't use. They got a theater theater thing in

810
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: their house. Like cool, Like a theater thing in your house,

811
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: Well cool, you better have a gym. That's you're grinding me.

812
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: So I think the price point pushes it up there

813
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: for people that can afford it, and we get guys

814
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: that show up a.

815
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: Lot that aren't ready.

816
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 3: A couple of them will come back.

817
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: They're like, I totally bombed the last bomb and I

818
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: want to come back, and they get fit.

819
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: Cool. Good buddy of mine shot a monster Bear just

820
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: a week ago.

821
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: His name c J.

822
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Mellery On's a big excavating company in Maryland. He's a

823
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: really great guy. He got he lost thirty pounds, He

824
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: did it the right way, he listened, he got ready

825
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: for the hunt. So I know that you guys have

826
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: a pretty cool app yeah, and can help hunters if

827
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna book a big game hunt of any kind

828
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: of get on the appin yeah, get after it. Yeah,

829
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: so pretty gonna make the hunt better. Pretty cool story.

830
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 2: My uncle influential, I would say in my like when

831
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: I was a kid, he terrified us all. Now now

832
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: I know him, he's awesome. But what he does to

833
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: get ready to go out west is he lives in

834
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: Michigan and he's sixty five now and he's been going

835
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: out elk hunt and killed a bunch of cows. We're

836
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: gonna take him on a bull hunt this year, but

837
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: he'll go climb the grain silos there you go, and

838
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: just he'll start out climbing, you know, three or four

839
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: times a day, and by the time he's going out

840
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: to what usually hunts Wyoming, he'll climb him ten fifteen times.

841
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: And so you know, let's just get it done, man.

842
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: Like I think people are so scared just to get started, right,

843
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: and so you know, where do I even go? You know,

844
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: we talk about the app, we talk about with what

845
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: we're doing with Maham Hunt, but man, it's just getting

846
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: started doing something. We do the same thing. Yeah, we walk.

847
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: We tell him walk no walk, start and then don't

848
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: start with fifty pounds, sixty pounds.

849
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: Just glows into it.

850
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Do something and then if you can progress, and then

851
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: you start getting into the app and you start pushing

852
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: yourself a little bit more.

853
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: You get a personal trainer.

854
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: There's nothing bad that's gonna come of getting in shape

855
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: for a hunt. So we do get a bunch of

856
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: guys that take it serious. I would say I wish

857
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: it was more. You know, I think there's a part

858
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: of the industry that's like I want to show up,

859
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: I want to shoot my thing, and I want to

860
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: get out of here.

861
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: And I want to check the box.

862
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: And Alaska is just not the place to check the

863
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: box right when you think you're gonna even for guides,

864
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: like you think you're gonna get out unscathed.

865
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 3: The weather and the landscape.

866
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: I've heard the law the landscape not only mountains, but

867
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: just how soft the ground is walking on walk, walking,

868
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: on a fat lady's stomach.

869
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: Oh it's the worst.

870
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, soft like similar to soft sand.

871
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean if it's quicksand Yeah, the tundras is an

872
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: odd living organism.

873
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: It's like as a huge sponge. Yeah, what does it

874
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: get away from the water sneeze? What does that attacks

875
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: the most? Really?

876
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: And I think picking up your quadquad just that extra lift,

877
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: extra hip. Yeah, I would say hips and quads really

878
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's you kind of always like you

879
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: train hard for it, and then that first day you're

880
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: getting in the ten, you're like, okay, yeah, you can't

881
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: train for the down drug.

882
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: No.

883
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 3: Then you add weight to it and then yep, you're

884
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: sinking more.

885
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, you know we always when we go out west,

886
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: we've done a lot of things at altitude. It's good

887
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: hard ground though, Oh yeah exactly. But that first day

888
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: you just got to get that little kick in the teeth.

889
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Let you know. Hey, you know that's.

890
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: One thing we don't have.

891
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think are kind of we can get

892
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: up to maybe forty five hundred feet we're closer to

893
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: the coast, Yeah, that'll do it. So, but most of

894
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: our haunts are blow two thousand. Yeah, so we don't

895
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of like altitude sickness. And for

896
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: some older folks, like if we were at ten thousand.

897
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, then you'd get really messed up.

898
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: And we have some cheap hunts that are tough, and

899
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: we are very picky about selling those, but we're.

900
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: Picky about who we take on them.

901
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Oh I bet. Yeah.

902
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: So I think the Alaska is I almost want people

903
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: to come and fish and hang out before they come hunt.

904
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you get just get a few feel how

905
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: rough it is. I mean it's just last frontier really.

906
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also getting comfortable with the remoteness.

907
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, now do you do. I've seen you do some

908
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: cold punch stuff in the lake out there or.

909
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: It is man that lake. I don't think all year

910
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: it gets over forty four forty.

911
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: Five and every morning thing when you're there, Yeah.

912
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: Try to.

913
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been doing it lately and because the light

914
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: it stays light for so so I actually stopped doing

915
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: it in the like morning, and I do it like

916
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: three o'clock, yeah, because we don't go to bed until one,

917
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: so I need that extra burst.

918
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, rejuvenation for that.

919
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: The lake is is ridiculous. It's I don't know what

920
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: it is about, like a live body of water. Yeah,

921
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: I think some of these cold plunges can get pretty cold,

922
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: But I just do the ice.

923
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: In the tub.

924
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think you know, if the water's not circulating,

925
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: it's way different. So like a lake it circulates a

926
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: little bit.

927
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, yeah it is that? Is that something

928
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: you guys do?

929
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, man, I was in a cold I did

930
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: cold a lot, and then my plunge here actually went down.

931
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: The last year. We had a like seven or eight

932
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: days of freezing and I just kept it running and

933
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: it burst the pipes. But I've got another one coming

934
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: and then we've gotten into the sauna a little bit.

935
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah as of late, and man, that's we.

936
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: Have a sauna in Alaska. The guys love it.

937
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: The sauna like it's a little less daunting than the cold.

938
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: You know, the cold you have you done the back

939
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: of Scott's big on the contrast, Scott can speak more

940
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: to that. Looking forward to getting the cold plunge back

941
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: here so we can see the sauna that we have

942
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 2: is working on.

943
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: NFL guy Brian Peters and I were going to put

944
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: together a uh like wellness and mental retreat in Alaska.

945
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: He's an ex NFL guy. We should have him on

946
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: the podcast. He's he's like for deregulating stress and like

947
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: helping top performing athletes and implementing the cold and.

948
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: Hot and hot.

949
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: He's he's really dedicated himself to. He's a savage and

950
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: he builds his own saunas and gets into like, uh,

951
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: the burnt wood on the inside, and and I'm like, hey, man,

952
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: I need to make me one of those.

953
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.

954
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 1: I don't have one. I've been into it, but I've

955
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: been dabbling around.

956
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: Man, I'm a cheap dude.

957
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to drop the price point. I'm like, okay, yeah,

958
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it's it's pricey.

959
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: I can understand.

960
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, I kind of want the ones that are

961
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: just the tenth that hip up. They're like.

962
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: He was trying to cut weight for a wrestling meeting

963
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: God on the beach. We went, we do this crossit

964
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: competition on the beach, and Preston hadn't wrestled in five

965
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: or ten years, and he wanted to cut weight for

966
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: this beach wrestling thing. And I walked out of their

967
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: little too serious and He's just sitting there and like

968
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: his head's popped out of this one with.

969
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: The head that's bizarre.

970
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: I was gonna go with the one that was this

971
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: is like the little you know, tent one with his

972
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: head's popping out. He's just sitting out there. And you

973
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: got to know my cousin Preston, he's he's an interesting cat.

974
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, that looks like something out of a sci

975
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 1: fi movie. But it's like, that's like that movie Dune

976
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: where that guy comes out floating from the thing in

977
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: his head. Yeah, that would freak me out. Yeah, you know,

978
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: it's fun is uh. You know, I've watched you over

979
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: the years and I know you went and did Cam's

980
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: podcast and I asked him like, how's the guys? Like, oh, dude,

981
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: he's he's savage. And I was like, are you gonna

982
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: invite him on an ELK hunt? You know, because Cam

983
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: and cunning. Yeah.

984
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you need to you need to bug to

985
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: keep him attle. I don't want to get it. You

986
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: don't get too annoying with him. Yeah, okay, man, you're

987
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: elk spots. Oh I can't. I can't imagine.

988
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: He kills like nine bowls a year.

989
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: Dude. I saw we were in his garage and I

990
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: mean everything. It looked like he went out here and

991
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: shot one of my horses and put antlers on it.

992
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: You know. When I've got this, I went back home

993
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at my bull and I'm like, wow,

994
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: you were tiny, you know, like these ones they were

995
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: the one that he shot. It would have been at

996
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: the San Carlos that year. I'm telling you, we have

997
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: a horse. We have a quarter hoose horse named Pancho. Here.

998
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. It looked like they hot

999
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: lopped off Pancho's head and put antlers on him.

1000
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: I hunted with him for many years at that place.

1001
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting it anymore, but he still goes there.

1002
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, you start seeing elk

1003
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, twenty three fifty is it a

1004
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: three seventy You're like, oh my god, he's a monster.

1005
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: He's three seventy three eighty. You're seeing four hundred inch

1006
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: bulls all.

1007
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: The time there. It would ruin me. I think it

1008
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: did ruin me.

1009
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I landed on this place in

1010
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: New Mexico because it's like a good in between her.

1011
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's killed some bulls and I've been on

1012
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: he climbed up a tree one time.

1013
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, this year I think it was this year.

1014
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: Climbed up a tree and shot a bull. And it's

1015
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: not a tree stand. No, there wasn't anything up there.

1016
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, why did you do that? And

1017
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't know.

1018
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: It's the best way to get to it. Yeah.

1019
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: I was like, he's nuts. But if you want to,

1020
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: if you want a honey hole, he's got a bunch

1021
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: of them.

1022
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1023
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's good. Elk hunting is it can

1024
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: be addicting.

1025
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in that for sure. So fitness wise for you,

1026
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: you know, he talked a little bit. You like to

1027
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: do you go to forty five? You have kind of

1028
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: a bodybuilding gym? Yep, what do you What do you

1029
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: do to stay fit? Yeah?

1030
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: I try to change it up, just try to do

1031
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stuff. I would say that forty

1032
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: five class is nice because, like I.

1033
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: Told you, just check out.

1034
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have to think hardcore cardio not not

1035
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: a ton of power. But you know, sometimes you're pushing

1036
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: a sled and stuff like that. I have a recently,

1037
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: I've kind of adopted this and be curious to get

1038
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: your feedback, I kind of read some stuff I'm getting

1039
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: up there. I'm, you know, fifty plus and.

1040
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Which I wouldn't have guessed when you walked in. By

1041
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: the way, I was.

1042
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: Like a little bit more concerned about like heart health, longevity,

1043
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: starting to think about my kids and what I can

1044
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: do when I'm moltar. So I adopted this workout with

1045
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: a Norwegian four by four Have you have you done this.

1046
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: Four minutes off?

1047
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1048
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: I've heard it's legit hard about it. Yeah.

1049
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: We I mean it's the same thing you're doing.

1050
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: We do a ton of that. Yeah.

1051
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: It's interval training basically, and there's like a lot of

1052
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: good scientific.

1053
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: Four by four sets of four minutes on, four minutes on.

1054
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: So you warm up five minute jog, then you go

1055
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: eighty percent of max for four minutes. Then you walk

1056
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: for three minutes for four minutes three four three, So you.

1057
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: Do that four times, gotcha.

1058
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: And then you end with a five minute job and

1059
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: it takes about thirty five minutes and you're on the

1060
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: treadmill and your eighty percent of max can be different

1061
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: for everybody age. And then I go right over. I

1062
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: do some pull ups and sled pushes, but I really

1063
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: anchor the workout around that, yep. And there's like a

1064
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: bunch of If you do it twice a week for

1065
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: two years, you could almost reduce your heart health by

1066
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: twenty years.

1067
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: It's crazy Vo two Max. Yeah, it's basically I've seen

1068
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: some stuff. I dove into it.

1069
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you're already doing it with everything you do

1070
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: it anyway, but I wasn't doing that type of stuff

1071
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: and just high hard.

1072
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: I mean I'm enjoying it, yeah, heck yeah yeah.

1073
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, you know, we talked about

1074
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: high rocks and all this stuff, and I just like

1075
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 2: that people like to work out. I don't care what

1076
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: the hell you're doing. Yeah, you know, like as long

1077
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: as people are moving and working out, that's my big thing.

1078
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: And so it's where I always encourage people do something

1079
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: that you're gonna stick with. I mean, you do need

1080
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: to get out of get out of breath. I think

1081
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: getting out of breath. We did that today. We did

1082
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: that a couple of times, so you weren't out of breath.

1083
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: I was out of breath. Yeah. We just got off

1084
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: that twenty four hour mountain bike. So my legs were.

1085
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of like excited too. I was like,

1086
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: saw you on Instagram. I was like, oh cool, he

1087
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: just did a big race. I don't think he's gonna

1088
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: bury me now.

1089
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: And that's what I you know, I try to tell

1090
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: people when we come here, you don't have to like,

1091
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: just do what you can do. Let's have fun. I mean,

1092
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: I just enjoy working out, like that's just what I do. Obviously,

1093
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: It's what I've done for No.

1094
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: It's impressive.

1095
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: Man.

1096
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: It's good to get excited about something, and it's it's

1097
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: healthy for me. It's I've been doing it my whole life.

1098
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 1: I just have to I have to change.

1099
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1100
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: So I'll probably do this for a bit yep, and

1101
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: then I'll try to find something different. I will say,

1102
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: as I get older, I have noticed that little bit

1103
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: of dip in strength.

1104
00:49:59,560 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1105
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: I used to be pretty strong, you know. I say

1106
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: hardcore bench and you know, rock out lots of pull

1107
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: ups and I hit that fifty in and man like

1108
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: that little edge. So I'm a little concerned, like maybe

1109
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: I need to do a little bit more power. But

1110
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't think I can't. I'm doing good, but I

1111
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: don't think you can keep it forever.

1112
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: You can't, man. I think it's some that's something I've

1113
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: had to come to terms with them. I'll be thirty

1114
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: eight this year, which is not that old, but compared

1115
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: to what I was lifting when I was twenty five

1116
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: and twenty four, I mean, you know, the Olympic lifts,

1117
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: and I'm nowhere near where I was, and but you

1118
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: just have to like meet with where you're at at

1119
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 2: that point, you know. Like, and I kind of said

1120
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: that on the Instagram post that I made about this race,

1121
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: is you know, fitness is different from me now, Like

1122
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: my goals are different. I'm not trying to be the

1123
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 2: fittest on earth. I'm trying to be as fit as

1124
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: I can. I'm trying to do hard shit. I'm trying

1125
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: to like inspire my kids to be fit. And then

1126
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, I want to be ready to go out

1127
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: west and elk hunt and so that same with men.

1128
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: You know, like those are kind of my goal. So

1129
00:50:58,040 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: I need to check in every once in a while

1130
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: make sure I'm not getting soft. So we do that

1131
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: twenty four hour mountain bike. We do a twenty four

1132
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: hour row usually around Christmas, and then you know, I

1133
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: need something to kind of scratch that itch of competition.

1134
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: So I'll do a couple of CrossFit competitions for fun

1135
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: with partners or teammates and then and I just love

1136
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: being out west and being ready for that.

1137
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the name of the game. I

1138
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: think what people get caught up is they try to

1139
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: start measuring themselves against other m h. And I will say,

1140
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, my finish journey has not always been the best.

1141
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I try pretty hard.

1142
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: I've never really cared what other people were doing.

1143
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really just.

1144
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: Focused on myself. And I think a lot of people

1145
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: start comparing themselves. They get a little bit of like

1146
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: body dysmorphia, and they're like really focused on well, this

1147
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: guy looks like that. I don't look like this. And

1148
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I think some of it can be healthy because it

1149
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: can drive you, but then the bunch of it is

1150
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: unhealthy for me. I've never really gave a shit. Yeah,

1151
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: my best friends with Cam, I'm like cool, Cam runs,

1152
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: I don't lot. Yeah, great, and you're runner. I don't

1153
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: need to go try to run. But at the end

1154
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: of the day, you gotta you know, you got to

1155
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: pick a few things that tests yourself along the way.

1156
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the mental test and that's you know

1157
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: what we do is, yeah, we compete, and so for

1158
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: years that was it, you know, but my goal was

1159
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: to be the fittest on earth. So it's been hard

1160
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: to detach from that, right where I'm like, dude, you're

1161
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: thirty eight years old, you've got no you've got no

1162
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: cartilage left in You're good.

1163
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: You'll get by the time you're my age, they will

1164
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: have like Robot and Noze.

1165
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 2: I sure hope they if that's the one thing that.

1166
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: You know, what's funny is I played lacrosse pro lacrosse

1167
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: for a good bit of years, and you know, to

1168
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: see competition translate into hunting, I think it's ultimately I

1169
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: didn't have hunting. I'm not quite sure what I've been

1170
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: able to transition. I was pretty hardcore level lacrosse. I

1171
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: was competing at the highest level. We lost in the

1172
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: national championship in college, and then I went into pro.

1173
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: And then when I stopped that, like, I went hardcore hunting.

1174
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: And honestly, I didn't get off the path a little

1175
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: bit if I didn't, because I think, you know, not

1176
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: everybody has to play, you know, sports, but there's a

1177
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: lots you gotta you gotta learn to compete. This world

1178
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: is competition, competition, let's started out always a strong survive.

1179
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying. That's what I've said. You know,

1180
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: I think the the connection that I've had with hunting

1181
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: is it was the first competition, like it's the first

1182
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: competition that was ever on the planet. You had you

1183
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: had to beat that exactly or that other tribe gonna

1184
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: and so I feel like that's the connection that I've

1185
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: kind of made and the obsession and how it's all

1186
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: transferred over into hunting. That is like it's a competition

1187
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: that nobody's everything that I've done, it's when I fail,

1188
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: it's super public and people see it. Yeah, you're a jackass, right,

1189
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: But in hunting, when you fail, you're kind of like, oh,

1190
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: I messed that up. Now I can move on to

1191
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: the next thing. You know you're gonna fail. It's gonna happen, right.

1192
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: It's inevitable, you know, like lose it, lose a deer,

1193
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: shot on an l yep, blow out a bunch of animals,

1194
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: you didn't read the wind, right.

1195
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1196
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is like when you talk about

1197
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 1: like that connection to like we've been competing to hunting food,

1198
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if like some of us have genes for

1199
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: hunting and gathering, and then there's a bunch of people

1200
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: that we provided the food for that don't have the

1201
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: gene and they don't understand the gene and they don't

1202
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: understand the I don't know. I'm not a scientist, I'm

1203
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: not a DNA guy, but I'm like, some people just

1204
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: don't get it. They're not interested. And I truly think

1205
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: that like ten thousand years they didn't. They weren't required

1206
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: to do it.

1207
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, their ancestors or something weren't. Yeah, they tell me

1208
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: on Instagram that they weren't, that's for sure.

1209
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 3: Don't get started with the haters.

1210
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: I love it. It doesn't bother me whatsoever. My wife

1211
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: at times gets upset with how much I lean into it.

1212
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: You know, you guys doesn't bother you, And I'm like, no,

1213
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: hell no, it doesn't bother me. I enjoy it. You

1214
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: have thick skins. Oh yeah, you.

1215
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: Got money as many followers as you guys have, and

1216
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: you specifically and Cam like he's the hyater thing is

1217
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: like it's fuel.

1218
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, it cracks me up.

1219
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 3: Prove everybody wrong.

1220
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: Man. People are just they want you to screw up

1221
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: and want you to fail. Give them a microphone, but

1222
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: no face. That's what I tell you, buddy. That's it.

1223
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: You get to hide behind something. You know, it's kind

1224
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 2: of childish if you think about it blows my mind.

1225
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: Everybody that's listening. If you're one of those people, you're

1226
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: a loser.

1227
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: You're a loser.

1228
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, straight up.

1229
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. My thing, you know, our big thing, and I've

1230
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: said it multiple times, is if you're a vegan or vegetarian,

1231
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: I could I don't necessarily agree with you, but I

1232
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: could get where it would offend you that people. But whatever.

1233
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: But the people that eat meat and are against hunting,

1234
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: that blows my mind.

1235
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: They like to torture animals that are exactly quarantine quarantine

1236
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: or in you know, on a lot that you know,

1237
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 1: don't see.

1238
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: My My thing is was like, use the vegetarian or

1239
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: the vegan. It's like cool, do that do that? I

1240
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: don't care.

1241
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go over there.

1242
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: I don't come over and bug you about your habits.

1243
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 3: Why are you coming over here? And like you're.

1244
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: Allowed to select what you look at, Like, if you

1245
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: don't want to watch Nascar, turn the station, yeah, Like,

1246
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, I hate Nascar? Why are you watching it.

1247
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: Why are you vocal about it?

1248
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: So I get really confused, Like, if that's what you

1249
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: choose to do, then obsess about it and go do it.

1250
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: Why are you choosing.

1251
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: To spend your time looking at things you're not interested

1252
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't want and picking on people?

1253
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: It's like, I really don't.

1254
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Maybe we should start a group that's like haters against vegetarians,

1255
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: like and we.

1256
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: Just go out the find them. We just start posting

1257
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: and we come up with fake names.

1258
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: And so that's my whole thing is like, if you

1259
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: don't like it, turn the channel, go.

1260
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: Somewhere else, or don't follow or unfollow. You're gonna tell me,

1261
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: that's for sure? For sure? What else you got? What

1262
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: else you want to know? You gotta have something amazing

1263
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: with that question?

1264
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 4: Come on, oh man, I would just say, what is

1265
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 4: it for you? Back country hunting? You go out to

1266
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 4: Alaska a lot, like just the recalibration. You're in multiple businesses,

1267
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Just getting away? What's it

1268
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: mean to you to just get away and just kind

1269
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 4: of recalibrate, break apart, no, break away from everything?

1270
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good question, and

1271
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: it dances around something that I just experienced. So like

1272
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: I co founded under Armour, people could say that was

1273
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: a big success. I've been involved with some other things

1274
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: that you could say with success. I have never felt

1275
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: successful ever once until about two weeks ago. And I

1276
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: was sitting at.

1277
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 4: Like two weeks two weeks, two weeks ago.

1278
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Okay, sitting in Alaska, overlooking the mountains, looking at my

1279
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: team move a bunch of hunters in and out. We

1280
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: just had a bear hunter come in. It's a really

1281
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: cool outfit. It's close to my heart, it's where I

1282
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: want to be. It's it's outdoors at its best. And

1283
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: I was like, man, Kip, you've done something with your life.

1284
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: First time ever I've said that to myself in my brain.

1285
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: Why all that time have I never felt successful? Is

1286
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: because I think when you put yourself in an environment

1287
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: that's closest to who you want to be, it unlocks

1288
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: things that you otherwise. I'm not corporate, I don't like cities.

1289
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to run a rat race. I'm pretty smart,

1290
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't, you know, I don't need

1291
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: to like prove my smarts in business anymore. But I

1292
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: felt like for many many years I had to, and

1293
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I think it just unlocks, unlocked something that I had

1294
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: never felt before. So when you talk about like that decompression,

1295
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: like all this stuff we put in our lives, man,

1296
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: it's like step back and look at it's not that important,

1297
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: like all this like I need a new truck and

1298
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: I need this extra rain gear and oh my god,

1299
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: I gotta have this for the kids and they got

1300
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: to go to this new camp. And when you put

1301
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: yourself in remote situations, you realize the meaning of life

1302
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: is to live. It's not to collect things. It's not

1303
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: to validate yourself with what other people think of you.

1304
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: And literally, I had never felt successful before Wild And

1305
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: I told some people that were close to me, And

1306
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: I was just on another podcast with a kid that

1307
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: started a podcast and he asked me the same question.

1308
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm telling you, I'm not lying you.

1309
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: I've never felt successful in my life. I felt successful

1310
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: in that moment because I think I was closest outdoors

1311
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: and I was closest to that life to exhale really

1312
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: who I want to be, how I want to show up,

1313
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: and I think I'm a better person, and I also

1314
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: treat people better, like I've learned to be better person.

1315
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: When I'm in the outdoors, which is wild.

1316
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, like why you know, so I don't I don't know

1317
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: if that dances around since oh danced around it a

1318
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: little bit. But I think you know, you guys have

1319
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: experienced moments in your life. You know you gotta you

1320
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: gotta figure out outdoors isn't for everybody. You got to

1321
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: figure out in life what recharges you? What is it

1322
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: the thing that gives you like energy, and then what

1323
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: takes away? Like what drained you? And I think for

1324
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: a lot of years I actually did things over and

1325
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: over and over and over again that drained me. I'm

1326
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: not Satin corporate. I mean we we were a.

1327
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: Public company sitting in boardrooms with Yeah it was tough. Yeah,

1328
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want to go down that road.

1329
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: But you can imagine. Yeah, I can't imagine because I've

1330
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: got about usually what thirty minutes in a meeting before

1331
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: I start derailing ittes.

1332
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: We're talking days or meetings after meeting. We have these

1333
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: corporate off sites that you just like grind out, like

1334
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: how are we gonna make more money? How do we

1335
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: get more profit? How do we grow this category?

1336
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: It's terrible.

1337
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 4: So you know, no that's good. And yeah, I don't know,

1338
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 4: hope that was No, it does, and I mean everybody

1339
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 4: believes something different. But so I worked at a church

1340
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: for twenty years and I met with a lot of

1341
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 4: college kids, you know, and they would just be searching

1342
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 4: for their what they should do with their life? You know,

1343
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 4: What's what am I being called to? And I finally

1344
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 4: came up with the answer of it. For everybody, there

1345
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 4: are different parts, but for for most people, God wants

1346
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: you to be the person who He's called you to be,

1347
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 4: and a lot of that is built upon the environment

1348
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: you're in. So just like with you that in that environment,

1349
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 4: that environment helps you be that person, you know. And

1350
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: and because environments make us, you know, so like I

1351
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 4: wouldn't be who I am today if I wasn't if

1352
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't on staff at that church for twenty years,

1353
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that's where I need

1354
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 4: it to be at that time. However, I'm not anymore

1355
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: because I don't need that anymore.

1356
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've said this to a few people, and I

1357
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: think what you said is really really powerful. I've said

1358
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: this analogy and I use this in a descriptive way

1359
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: because it makes a point take a rag, put it

1360
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: in gasoline, take the rag out, ring it out, put

1361
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: it on your front porch. Go smell that rag. A

1362
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: week later, what does it smell like? Gasoline? A month later, gasoline.

1363
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,439
Speaker 1: Even a year later, you put that thing up. You're like, God, damn,

1364
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: let's sing. Maybe I should watch this thing. You are

1365
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: the environment. You cannot get rid of the environment you're in.

1366
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: Even if you give it time, it still hangs out.

1367
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: There's a rule in criminal justice every time two objects touch,

1368
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: they transfer something that's like a tool mark on a

1369
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: door or a fiber from a sweater on a crime scene.

1370
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: Every time two things to so that environment that you're

1371
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: describing like like it or not, whether it's toxic people,

1372
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: whether it's you're in the church or whether you're in

1373
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: the outdoors, something's gonna transfer. So be really picky about

1374
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: where you put yourself. And I think I was really

1375
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: good at certain things at under Armour, but also there

1376
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: was really against the nature of who I was, And eventually,

1377
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny.

1378
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: I'll be very honest.

1379
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: I made a lot of bad decisions at the end

1380
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: of my career, and I think that I was self

1381
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: sabotaging because I didn't see myself in that environment anymore,

1382
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,959
Speaker 1: and I got to take ownership that I wasn't brave

1383
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: enough to like remove myself maybe in a more healthy way.

1384
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: And I think the outdoors is a lot of kids

1385
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: and young adults today are spending a lot of screen time,

1386
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: and I think the outdoors is I think the church,

1387
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: and I think the outdoors can play a huge role.

1388
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: Sorry to get a little deep there, it's a good

1389
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: segue with the boys. You've got two boys. Are they

1390
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 2: into the outdoors? They?

1391
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's a struggle sports in school. You know,

1392
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: a lot of time here and there. They hunt. They

1393
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: love to hunt. They've you know, multiple white tail deer.

1394
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: My one son, Rider is a little bit more into it.

1395
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: Just went on his first elk hunt last year. He was,

1396
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen, running around the mountains. He was like,

1397
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: oh my.

1398
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: God, different.

1399
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was really really he did a great job.

1400
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: I was super proud of him. They're not like fanatical

1401
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: about it, you know, but they like hunting season and

1402
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: they know that it's super important to me. And honestly,

1403
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: without even asking them, they know it's going to be.

1404
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: A part of their life. Yeah, for sure.

1405
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: And you know, like, well, he asked my son like truant.

1406
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: I asked him, like, what do you want to do.

1407
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: It's like, I want to shoot a bear.

1408
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're.

1409
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: Twelve, what are you What are you talking about? He's like, yeah,

1410
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: I always wanted a bear.

1411
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: I'm always okay. So that's awesome. You know. They're not

1412
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: super hardcore, but but I think they see dad. They

1413
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 2: want to be a part of that, and it's something. Man.

1414
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm I'm trying with the kids and there all of

1415
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: them are pretty into it. For the most part, We've

1416
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: only been able to really do whitetail, but yeah, Trice

1417
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: will come out there. I've killed a couple with Trice

1418
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 2: actually being there. The one I kicked myself Lakeland, my

1419
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: oldest was with us and I had a dough tag

1420
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: but it was during the rut and I let her walk.

1421
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: I should have just taken her because she's she's still talks.

1422
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: She's like, I remember that time we saw it there

1423
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I blew it. Yeah, maybe maybe not.

1424
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 2: Maybe it'll make the next one more meaningful.

1425
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: What I've what I've taken with my kids is I

1426
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: I hunt a lot, and you know, I'm hunting more

1427
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: for them around the farm than me. Always ask them,

1428
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: you want to go hunt tonight? You want to get

1429
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: up early and hunt? And they say no.

1430
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't force them right if.

1431
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: If if I have, if they say yes, then I

1432
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,959
Speaker 1: hold them to the yes. And but when we go out,

1433
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: if they want to leave, we leave. Okay, Hey man,

1434
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: we're here. You gotta I'm freezing, dad, No, you gotta stays.

1435
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: Because I don't want to insert any of my like

1436
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: grit and determination on them. They know what grid is

1437
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: and so like, there's been a couple of times say hey,

1438
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: i'm cold, I want to go, and we go in.

1439
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: There's also been a couple of times where it's like

1440
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: bad out and they're like I'm like, you're good, and

1441
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, let's stay. And I didn't have to

1442
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: say anything. And I was actually more proud of that

1443
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: than me being like, hey, we're staying another hour, it's

1444
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: almost dark.

1445
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 3: Let's just stay. Let's just stay.

1446
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: So, you know, everybody's kids are different, and I'm not

1447
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: saying my technique is the right technique, but I don't

1448
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: want them to feel like they have to do it

1449
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: for me. And I know that some dads and moms

1450
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: are like, oh yeah, I want my kid to be

1451
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: a hunter, and like you can't force it. You can't

1452
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: force everything. You know, there's a finn mind.

1453
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean enjoy. Yeah.

1454
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 3: See, at the end of the day, fun is fun.

1455
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 2: It's the same way I've done with my kids with

1456
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: working out. You know, I'm like, hey, you guys want

1457
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: to go downstairs, I'm working out, or you don't go

1458
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: to the barn and they're like yeah, or they're like no.

1459
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 2: And even when they come out here you saw Violet,

1460
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: yeah whatever. I've never been like, hey, you're gonna do

1461
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: this workout. And then we did a little competition a

1462
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 2: parent you know, we were talking about earlier parent kid competition. Man,

1463
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: it was awesome because now Trice is like I want

1464
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: to work out and.

1465
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: Like right, switch, light switch.

1466
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: It was cool. So I think it's the.

1467
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 1: Environment you're talking about, and there's a way to put

1468
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: people in an environment and the environment becomes toxic. Even

1469
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: though your intention was good, yeah, like hey let's work out.

1470
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, that's it. Well, the way you

1471
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: went about it, it was toxic. And we all know

1472
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: those dads and moms that are at the soccer field

1473
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: doing stuff yelling, screaming, they're making it unenjoyable.

1474
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: Yep.

1475
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you know, the

1476
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: brain development like with kids, like once you get into sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

1477
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: you can do a lot more things, but when you're

1478
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 1: in that ten to fourteen way, there is no replacing fun.

1479
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: And they also so really attached themselves specifically to dads,

1480
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: because dads can be kind of hardcore. You have to

1481
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: show yourself as being a fun person. There's all these

1482
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: studies about how healthy kids had dads that could laugh,

1483
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: could have fun. And so I think your point on

1484
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: the environment you're in, I think it applies to all that.

1485
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: But they're they're they're they're into it.

1486
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they get a little competition like, oh

1487
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: I shot a six pointer.

1488
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 2: Oh my mine had actually seven, but it was broken. There.

1489
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: You know, they're into it. I'm really excited if my

1490
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 3: son gets an.

1491
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: Elk oh yeah, I might cry like a baby. Yeah

1492
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: that's what I want, you know, That's why I want

1493
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 2: for my kids is them to us be able to

1494
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 2: do that together, you know, be able to share it

1495
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: and you know, carry on that.

1496
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 4: Now.

1497
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: I know you're into like dirt bikes and four wheels stuff.

1498
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: Are the kids into that as well?

1499
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: So you know, I I grew up with four wheelers

1500
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: and dirt bikes. The kids, man, they don't take care

1501
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: of shit, so we haven't really bought them. Yeah, so

1502
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: they got mountain or mountain bikes and so they'll you know,

1503
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: we've got some trails out here that they'll ride on.

1504
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: Trice was pissed, yes, shake because it was too hot.

1505
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: You know. I think it's super important to get him

1506
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 2: out and doing those things. But until they can take

1507
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 2: care of that. We bought them some cheap Amazon like

1508
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: electric go karts for Christmas and they're already trashed. And

1509
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, until you guys can show me you

1510
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: can take care of this, that's good, you know, but

1511
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: at least they get to do some of that stuff.

1512
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,680
Speaker 2: But I think, you know, isn't it.

1513
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 3: Wild what we grew up with versus what goes on today.

1514
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 3: I mean, even in a short.

1515
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: Period of time crazy.

1516
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I can't believe I'm alive.

1517
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 2: You know, the just go, you know, just go, and

1518
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: I'd be out on a four wheeler. I mean, I

1519
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: can't tell you how many times almost broke my neck.

1520
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: I remember specifically, my dad got me a new helmet

1521
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 2: for my twelfth or thirteenth birthday. That day, I was

1522
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 2: coming over a little hill. Shouldn't have been on the road.

1523
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: I was on the road with a four wheeler. The

1524
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: road goes like this and cuts hard left, and there

1525
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: was no sign telling you cut left straight off the

1526
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: road landed on my head. I skid for probably fifty feet.

1527
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 2: I busted this hell it all up and I tried

1528
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 2: to hide it from Dad for a while. Never works.

1529
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 2: We had three wheelers, three wheelers the death trap.

1530
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: That's kind of like the thing now is ones.

1531
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: I know the guys at Montana Knife Company, Like there's

1532
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: a couple of guys that drive them to work and

1533
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: it's like the new Harley. It's like, oh, look at

1534
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 1: my three wheeler. I'm like, come on, dude, it's a

1535
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: three wheeler, you know. Is it a Honda's death trap trap?

1536
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, my kids, I'm like, man, look at all

1537
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 2: this barboy around here. They could run right through it.

1538
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: Rory is sitting over there and he ran right through it.

1539
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: To the remote Alaska is really cool to see these

1540
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,480
Speaker 1: fishing villages. I've been to a bunch of them. Ilamna's

1541
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: where are lodges. Four Wheelers are life. Yeah, it's life.

1542
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: These kids, I mean like four or five years old.

1543
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably exaggerating a little bit, but they're

1544
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: just ripping around on four wheelers all the time.

1545
01:10:58,439 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 3: It's there.

1546
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: You know, they get great gas mileage, they can kind

1547
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: of go anywhere. Their roads are kind of crappy. It's

1548
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty funny when you just see these and

1549
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my kids that are, you know, thirteen

1550
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: and fifteen. They couldn't even drive a four wheel er

1551
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: to save their life. And then you got kids that

1552
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: are like eight years old ripping it in remote Alaska.

1553
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 2: My oldest is every day we right, can I go

1554
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: drive the Ranger? And I'm like me and you will

1555
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 2: go drive? And so she's gonna be good. She's good, man.

1556
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: She's gotten to where she can drive that thing and

1557
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,839
Speaker 2: knows exactly what to do. How many kids three eleven,

1558
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: Well she'll be eleven, eleven, eight and seven.

1559
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good.

1560
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's fun.

1561
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: Any dad.

1562
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: Being a dad's the best, the best. It's the tough, hardest,

1563
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 2: hardest job ever, but it's the best, most rewarding job

1564
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: for sure, all right. One one takeaway? What do you

1565
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: got something people could do.

1566
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 3: Well?

1567
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think going back to your your analogy

1568
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: and the environment is really one thing you can do

1569
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: in your life to just check check yourself, like are

1570
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: you in the right environment? I think that's I'm super

1571
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: happy you brought it up. I just had this like

1572
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: experience in my life and I think it was because

1573
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: the environment I was in. And I think a lot

1574
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: of times people put up with stuff they shouldn't have to,

1575
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: and I think it's okay to change if it's not working,

1576
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: change change it.

1577
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, no, I mean what do they

1578
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 2: say you're the five people that you hang around with?

1579
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: Which is I mean it's accurate, you know.

1580
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a tough time getting five. I get

1581
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 3: the camp. That's one.

1582
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 2: You start self.

1583
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,600
Speaker 1: Selecting with age real quick. You know, someone shows up

1584
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: with like bad shoes on your like I hate a

1585
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: never talking to that guy again, like just looking for

1586
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: a reason not to get somebody back. I super appreciate

1587
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: you guys having me on and it's cool to see

1588
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing too, So thank you.

1589
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: Come back anytime. I don't know what we offer, but

1590
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 2: you can come hang out anytime.

1591
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:01,320
Speaker 3: Clearly a good workout.

1592
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: Fitness, Hey we can fit. That's one thing. I would

1593
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 2: be fitness shredded. There you go.

1594
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: If I did a couple of podcasts.

1595
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 2: Come on, man, I'll have you back for sure. Yeah.

1596
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: We can't offer a grizzly I can. I can offer

1597
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 2: you like a little shitty white tail that was killed

1598
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 2: on Fight for Mountain. It was the first I ever

1599
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: killed this savage.

1600
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: You look at him and you're like, Okay, he's a dink,

1601
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait a minute, he's got extra points.

1602
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: When he's busted. We got in a fight.

1603
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's tough, dude.

1604
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: That was my first ever white tail buck last year.

1605
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 3: That's first one.

1606
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1607
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was happy with him. You know, like I'm

1608
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: not once again two years.

1609
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 4: It's been two years.

1610
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It was two years last my last one.

1611
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: Man, nothing's legit. Yeah, he got the back broken.

1612
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was cool. He was killed him on the mountain.

1613
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 3: Had you seen him before?

1614
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: Never, dude, I've never even seen a white tail buck

1615
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: in the while.

1616
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: You didn't put any trail cameras are out not last.

1617
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna sponsor you, Someone's gonna send you like.

1618
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: We've got, we've got, we've got, we've got, we've gotten there.

1619
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 3: Okay, but yeah, no, that was that was the first.

1620
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 2: He was killed on five for mountain. You know. So

1621
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: now is that the arrow? No? I killed him with six? Fine?

1622
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: Oh good, it was right.

1623
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 3: Poor dude just got a six or five.

1624
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: Treat like he folded right up. He did no tracked up.

1625
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 2: Funny story my buddy Matt. It was on his property. Uh,

1626
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 2: he shot one this year and it fell down in

1627
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: a sinkhole. And I called him. I'll show you the

1628
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: video in a second. This is what goes on in

1629
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 2: Tennessee goes on in Tennessee. So he called. I called him.

1630
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, because I had we were going to do

1631
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: a mountain bike race. I said, you kill anything this morning?

1632
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, I killed something. He goes, you remember

1633
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 2: that sink hole we weren't allowed to go into his kids.

1634
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 2: I was like yeah, He's like he fell in there.

1635
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 2: I'm like bullshit. I was like, you just didn't shoot anything.

1636
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: You're lying. He's like, I swear. So I call him

1637
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: on his bluff. The next day, I'm like, all right,

1638
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 2: we talked to this guy and he gives us repelling equipment.

1639
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1640
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: And we were firefighters fifteen years ago, class one day,

1641
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 2: so you know, we're gonna repel down into the sinkhole.

1642
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: Sure enough, the thing was in the bottom of the

1643
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: sink hole. We got it and we got him out.

1644
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: I'll show you videos. That's classic. It was awesome. You know,

1645
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, how does this. He's like, remember when

1646
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: you want to slow down bring it to your hip,

1647
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't think

1648
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: I would have remembered that. My dad did that with

1649
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 2: me when I was like twelve. Yep.

1650
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1651
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 2: And so we just went down in this hole. I

1652
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 2: was the first We've never been in this hole.

1653
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 1: I've found some deer in some funny, funny spots. You know,

1654
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: the best are when you like pound it like Miles,

1655
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: Miles gritting out okay, everybody look, and he's literally like

1656
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: behind the tree stand. You shot him shot, I really

1657
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: think because your hardest so much to imagine things like

1658
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: I saw him he went this way.

1659
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: He didn't go that way. No, he literally turned around.

1660
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 3: And like died behind my tree standing.

1661
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: And my buddy he was like, hey, you know, like

1662
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: I think I left my camera back at your tree

1663
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: stand and he went back there and he said he

1664
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: saw a hoof behind the tree. And literally the tree

1665
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: that we were looking for for like days was behind

1666
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: the tree.

1667
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: I shot it from it. We should check that tree.

1668
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: The sinkhole would have been a lot better than coal

1669
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:04,919
Speaker 1: behind the tree sinkhole.

1670
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: I'll show you that video. It's pretty cool. Thank you man,

1671
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 2: appreciate your brother. Yes, thank you.