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Speaker 2: Happy Wednesday, everybody, hope all of you guys are having

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Speaker 2: a great week. Really quick show this morning, because we're

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Speaker 2: live after the final buzzer of Warriors Clippers, a big

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Speaker 2: where it seems like a much more winnable game for them.

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Speaker 2: their predicament in the standings, there's no way to slice

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Speaker 2: the Lakers and Warriors would both like to get out

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Speaker 2: down the stretch, the Sacramento Kings are starting to lose

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Speaker 2: in this particular show, we're we're talking about the Kings

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Speaker 2: and the Sons, who had another dog fight last night

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Speaker 2: down the stretch. As Frank Vogel kind of towed the

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Speaker 2: So Bonus was not in the game at the early

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Speaker 2: kind of an interesting example of defensive reputation versus reality,

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Speaker 1: We've just decided that guy's a bad.

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Speaker 2: And there are gonna be certain matchups that Nurkic is

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Speaker 2: And like, to me, Royce O'Neil made the Sons a

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Speaker 2: He's going to draw smaller, quicker defenders a lot of

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Speaker 2: But every time the Kings lose, it's for the same reason.

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Speaker 2: They play shitty defense, sloppy double teams in this game

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Speaker 2: they have wings that like to crash, which is so

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Speaker 2: important with all the long rebounds that come from miss threes.

436
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Speaker 2: They can be so much better than they are on

437
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,440
Speaker 2: the defensive end of the floor. And it really breaks

438
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: down in the numbers as like their main indicator of success.

439
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 2: When they give up one hundred and sixteen or more points,

440
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 2: they are thirteen and seventeen. When they allow one hundred

441
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 2: and fifteen or fewer, they're seventeen and six. When they

442
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 2: allow one hundred and ten or fewer, they twelve and three.

443
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: What happened when they beat the Nuggets the other night?

444
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: They shut them down on the offensive end of the floor,

445
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: like that is the primary driving force of their success.

446
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: They're actually not good enough to outscore people, as we've seen,

447
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: when they get into these shootouts, they typically lose. And

448
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 2: that's the thing, like more often than not, they've been

449
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: mediocre this year, and now for more than a month,

450
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Speaker 2: they've been pretty bad. Since January twelfth, the Kings are

451
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 2: seven and nine. They are tenth. They're the tenth worst

452
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: record in the league over that span. Their thirteenth in offense,

453
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 2: twenty fourth in defense. Some really lifeless losses in there too.

454
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Speaker 2: They got ran off the floor by the Pistons.

455
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Speaker 1: A week ago.

456
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Speaker 2: And again, some of this is mid season malaise. And

457
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Speaker 2: I always will cut teams a little bit more slack

458
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Speaker 2: in that like December, January, February stretch of the season,

459
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Speaker 2: because you're just gonna have stretches where you like, aren't

460
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: playing as hard as some of the other teams around

461
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: the league, right, Like, that's kind of part of the story.

462
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Speaker 2: And last year the Kings were that team that were

463
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Speaker 2: bringing that youthful exuberance to the table as they were

464
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Speaker 2: trying to make a playoff run. But like, I mean,

465
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Speaker 2: they still have a really high ceiling. They just beat

466
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Speaker 2: up the Nuggets. They have like a half dozen super

467
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: impressive wins this year where they just kick a good

468
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Speaker 2: team's ass. Like I still think it's in there, but

469
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Speaker 2: they really need to, like I've talked about, with a

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Speaker 2: lot of these mediocre teams, these last twenty five games

471
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Speaker 2: of the season, you got to put together a stretch

472
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Speaker 2: of playoff quality basketball, otherwise you're gonna run into a

473
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Speaker 2: buzzsaw when you get into the good teams for two

474
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Speaker 2: weeks during the playoffs. All right, guys, let's move on

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Speaker 2: to the mailbag first, question. Jason said that the Clippers

476
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Speaker 2: are fourth in his contenders, but I remember him switching

477
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Speaker 2: the Clippers with the Bucks from four to three. You're right,

478
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Speaker 2: I think I just misspoke yesterday. I do have the

479
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Speaker 2: Clippers above the Bucks as of right now. That said,

480
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Speaker 2: like all, my contender list is kind of in flux

481
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Speaker 2: right now, I'm going to be doing about this time

482
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Speaker 2: next week. Actually, sometime Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm gonna be

483
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Speaker 2: doing doing a video with Sam Vassini where we dive

484
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Speaker 2: into all the contenders and just kind of rank them

485
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Speaker 2: and go back and forth about that. So whatever the

486
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Speaker 2: contender list may or may not be at this point,

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Speaker 2: I plan on just like completely reevaluating it when we

488
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Speaker 2: get to that point and kind of putting teams into

489
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Speaker 2: tiers from there. So looking forward to that next week.

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Speaker 2: Next question. I agree with Jason that Rudy Gobert had

491
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Speaker 2: a very impactful game yesterday, but I have seen it

492
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Speaker 2: far too often come playoff time, Tyler will make him

493
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: functionally unplayable in defensive settings. I think last night was

494
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 2: just a one off. The Clippers will still beat Minnesota

495
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Speaker 2: in a seven game series, so it's hard to say,

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Speaker 2: like I do think that last night was or two

497
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Speaker 2: nights ago, I should say, was a little bit of

498
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Speaker 2: like a one of those games where the scoreboard doesn't

499
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Speaker 2: really represent the gap between the two teams. Particularly it

500
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Speaker 2: wasn't the Clippers' best defensive effort, and like the Timberwolves

501
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Speaker 2: have a tendency to fall apart offensively at the end

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Speaker 2: of games. And you know, that's one of those things

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Speaker 2: where I think if the Clippers bring a different defensive

504
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: level of intensity, they contain the Wolves better, which allows

505
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Speaker 2: them to get out and transition more and avoid the

506
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Speaker 2: set defense more. And like I do think that these

507
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: teams are pretty close and between the two, if I

508
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Speaker 2: had to pick one in a series, I do lean

509
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Speaker 2: slightly towards the Clippers. That said, like the Rudy go

510
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Speaker 2: Beart thing is not the reason why, like the Rudi

511
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: go Bear narrative over the last five years is pretty

512
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 2: unfair on him, to be honest, and honestly, he's directed

513
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: towards the wrong side of the floor. In Utah, he

514
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: was playing alongside really poor perimeter defense, like Royce O'Neil

515
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: was the one plus defender that he was playing alongside

516
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Speaker 2: most of the time, whether it was Donovan Mitchell or

517
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Speaker 2: Mike Connelly or Boyan mcdonovich like it was a lot

518
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Speaker 2: of and again, Donovan Mitchell's having the best defensive season

519
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Speaker 2: of his career now, but he was not a very

520
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Speaker 2: good defensive player in that stretch of his career. And

521
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Speaker 2: so more often than not, when you're the back line

522
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 2: guy and the first guy is just getting toasted off

523
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: the dribble, you step up now the defense in rotation,

524
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Speaker 2: and it doesn't really matter if Rudy Gobert is the

525
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: best rim protector or one of the best rim protectors

526
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Speaker 2: in the league, because because he's just not at the

527
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: rim anymore now, he's being pulled off onto some other player,

528
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Speaker 2: especially against a good driving kick team, and that more

529
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Speaker 2: often than not was what caused them problems. Honestly, any

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Speaker 2: sort of legitimate criticism towards Rudy Gobert as a playoff

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Speaker 2: player centered on the offensive end of the floor, his

532
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Speaker 2: ability to ease a little bit of stonehands he could

533
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Speaker 2: struggle to catch the ball and pick and roll finishing

534
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Speaker 2: around the rim can be an adventure for him from

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Speaker 2: time to time against the switching team. He's not the

536
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Speaker 2: kind of guy that can go beat a switch down

537
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Speaker 2: low on the block. Typically that was where a lot

538
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Speaker 2: of his issues would arise in the past. But one

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Speaker 2: of the things that he did against the Clippers in

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Speaker 2: that game was like, oh, you switched, and now Kauhi

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Speaker 2: is on him, and he's kind of, uh, there's a

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Speaker 2: baseline drive and he's kind of relocating to where the

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Speaker 2: charge circle is. Like, well, this time he caught it

544
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Speaker 2: and he bodied Kawhi and rose up and dunked on it,

545
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Speaker 2: you know. Or another big one for Rudy is just

546
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Speaker 2: being super active on the offensive glass. If you're not

547
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Speaker 2: catching and finishing around the rim, if you're struggling in

548
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: these other ways, if you can generate additional possessions or

549
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 2: get putbacks, that's worth a ton offensively as well. And like,

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Speaker 2: I do think that Rudy's made enough improvement in those

551
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Speaker 2: areas over the last few years that he's at the

552
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Speaker 2: least a very positive player in the playoff setting. I

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Speaker 2: don't see Rudy getting played off the floor. That's just

554
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Speaker 2: not an issue that I'm concerned about for the Timberwolves.

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Speaker 2: Next question, what would Jason Tatum have to do to

556
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Speaker 2: be the number one player on a championship team other

557
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: than pull up three So the big one that I

558
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: always talk about here is the physical imposition on the game.

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Speaker 2: And the example that I would use is the difference

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Speaker 2: between let's say Jokic versus Embiid, or like a Lebron

561
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Speaker 2: versus a KD. And I mean, again, Katie's an amazing

562
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Speaker 2: playoff players. I don't want to undercut that, but Lebron's

563
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Speaker 2: been a better playoff player than him in his career right,

564
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Speaker 2: and like Embiid's incredible player, but Jokic's clearly been a

565
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: better playoff player than him. And like the thing is

566
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Speaker 2: is if you really dig into it, like Embiid's got

567
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: more high level isolation, crazy foot work from the mid

568
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: range and in face up situations like that jab step

569
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Speaker 2: jumper is nasty, and he's got all of this high

570
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Speaker 2: level stuff from the perimeter, and same goes for Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: But when you get into these super physical playoff environments,

572
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Speaker 2: when you're fatigued, and the defensive intensity goes up a

573
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: level not just for the opponent but for you as well,

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Speaker 2: And now your legs are more tired than you used

575
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Speaker 2: to be. Now your rhythm and timing and all your

576
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: shots is different. Like when all that stuff changes a

577
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: lot of times. The more perimeter oriented stuff can kind

578
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: of decrease in effectiveness, and so the guys that have

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00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 2: the ability to actually be the person that's better at

580
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: absorbing those blows and so they fatigue less and they're

581
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Speaker 2: good at generating higher quality shots around the rim, or

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Speaker 2: maybe they get to the rim and generate really high

583
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: quality shots from the perimeter. That sort of thing just

584
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: translates better, especially when he gets the later rounds of

585
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Speaker 2: the postseason.

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Speaker 1: And like that to.

587
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Speaker 2: Me is why you know, like Nikole Jokic has been

588
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: a more impactful playoff player. Embiid gets there, the jump

589
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: shot stops falling, his effectiveness tanks. Now, obviously injuries have

590
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 2: played a role there, but that's the basketball stuff that's happening.

591
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: It's the jumper that consistently fails him. Nikole jokicch It's

592
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Speaker 2: like if the jumpers going in great, but he's making

593
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: all these hook shots and floaters and shit, that's shit

594
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: that's right by the basket, and that it just has

595
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: more resiliency as the level of intensity goes up, and

596
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: the same thing goes for Lebron, Like Lebron can just

597
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: thrive and rock fight basketball so on the Tatum front, Like,

598
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Speaker 2: that's what I'm begging for from him. Jason Tatum is

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Speaker 2: one of the most gifted athletes that we have in

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Speaker 2: the league. Like, just go down the best players in

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Speaker 2: the league, Like, is he a more gifted athlete than

602
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic.

603
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
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Speaker 2: Luca's best attribute his size, And I don't want to

605
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Speaker 2: undercut him as an athlete, but I think Tatum is

606
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Speaker 2: a better athlete if you factor in all of his tools, strength,

607
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Speaker 2: length of vertical athleticism, all that stuff like side to

608
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Speaker 2: side speed, all that stuff, right, Like, is he a

609
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Speaker 2: better athlete than Jimmy Butler?

610
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Is he a better athlete than Paul George? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like now that he has all this.

612
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Speaker 2: Strength, like he's like, he's not as strong as Kawhi,

613
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Speaker 2: And I think I'd probably take Kawhi as an athlete

614
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: over him overall in the playoffs, but he's pretty close

615
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Speaker 2: to that level. He has that capability to be deeply

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Speaker 2: impactful in a physical environment. I'm saying that I'd like

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Speaker 2: to see him devote a ton of energy and attention

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Speaker 2: towards physicality around the basket, because that, to me, is

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Speaker 2: going to be what carries him to the title one

620
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: day being the biggest strongest athlete on the floor and

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Speaker 2: actually using that to his advantage instead of bailing teams

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Speaker 2: out by taking higher difficulty shots. Hey, Jason, could you

623
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Speaker 2: chat about the Spurs and Wemby's ten block triple double.

624
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Speaker 2: So obviously, just by those of you guys who've been

625
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: following the show for a while, you know kind of

626
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Speaker 2: the four the format is, we really zero in on

627
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Speaker 2: the top ten to fifteen teams in the league, and

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Speaker 2: so I don't spend a ton of time talking about

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Speaker 2: the you know, the Pistons, or the Wizards, you know,

630
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Speaker 2: or or the Charlotte Hornets, you know, And in the

631
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Speaker 2: San Antonio Spurs, it's just I devote my attention towards

632
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Speaker 2: the top teams in the league. And so I haven't

633
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: been following the Spurs super super closely, but I've been

634
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Speaker 2: following them somewhat. And honestly, the biggest thing that's changed

635
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Speaker 2: with Wemby over the course of the last like third

636
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: of the season has been his efficiency is just a

637
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: shot selection has been way better, and you're starting to

638
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 2: see him basically take a leap right before his eye,

639
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: before our eyes in the NBA. But to put it simply,

640
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Speaker 2: like I think Wenby's a few years away from being

641
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Speaker 2: the best player in the world. That's the type of

642
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: potential that he has. And like we're seeing stuff from

643
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: him that we've just simply never seen before, and like

644
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Speaker 2: he's doing all of this around the worst collection of

645
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: ball handling I've ever seen on an NBA team. I

646
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Speaker 2: like Devin Vessel, he's a good player, but if you

647
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Speaker 2: really take all of the Spurs ball handlers together. That's

648
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Speaker 2: why I keep seeing these clips on Instagram of Wenby

649
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: being frustrated that he's not getting the basketball. It's because

650
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: he's playing alongside a team that really struggles to kind

651
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: of take advantage of what he's great at. And like

652
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: they're a sneaky team to keep an eye on for

653
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: Trey Young this summer. If the Hawks decide to rebuild

654
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: and when they actually put some quality veterans around this

655
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: guy that know how to play, he's going to be

656
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: such an incredible force multiplier for them. I am so

657
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: excited to cover Wenby more closely in the future. But obviously,

658
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: like this show is very heavy on like deep dives

659
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: on the best teams in the league. We cover every

660
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: single playoff game and all the x's and o's like

661
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: we're dived in. We dive into the top of the league, right,

662
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: And so the Spurs I just think, you know, within

663
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: the next couple of years are just going to be

664
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: in that mix, and we'll cover them more closely. So

665
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: I apologize to Spurs Spurs fans that we haven't been

666
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: as intent on covering when Ben Yama's rookie year, But

667
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: I promise the show is going to have a ton

668
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: of whom Minyama on it in the long run. All Right,

669
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: three more questions, then we're out of here. With the

670
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: Warriors having a shot to make the playoffs, now, I

671
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: think that they are the team with the best chance

672
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: to beat the Nuggets. With Jokic having a hard time

673
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: coming up to the screen and how well Stephan Clay

674
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: shoot off screens, I think it will give them open

675
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: looks and open up the middle for Kaminga and.

676
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: Wiggins to have driving lanes.

677
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: So I'm really encouraged by the recent stretch of basketball

678
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: from the Warriors, but I don't necessarily think they have

679
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 2: a real shot to beat the Nuggets just because the

680
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: Nuggets are, in.

681
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: My opinion, the best team in the league.

682
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they don't have a shot, but I

683
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: do want to dive into it a little bit. So

684
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: let's talk about both sides of the four just for

685
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: a second, just kind of a loose, little initial impression

686
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: of the matchup.

687
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: So specifically, the idea of spacing nikolea Jokic out, typically I.

688
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: Would agree with you, and ideally you need to have

689
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: a team that can bring Yokic out to the level

690
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: of the screen while having the amount of off ball

691
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: talent to capitalize for the way that Denver likes to

692
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: load up. Because one of the things that you'll see

693
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: the Nuggets do in a series against the Warriors is

694
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: they'll just defend pick and roll three on twoo. They

695
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: will be like Jonathan Minga shoot all the threes you want,

696
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins shoot all the threes you want, and there

697
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: will be plays where they execute their you know, uh, one, two,

698
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: three on that four on three really fast and you

699
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: get a backdoor lob for Kaminga along the baseline or

700
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: maybe a slot cut from Wiggins along the wing. But

701
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: Jonathan Aminga, you know, he shot really really well during

702
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: the hot streak. He's two for ten on his last

703
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: ten threes. And he's only thirty two percent on the season.

704
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: The playoff game plan for Kmingo will be a short

705
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: close out. The playoff game plan for Kaminga will be

706
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: you can play off this guy to help elsewhere. And

707
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: the same goes for Andrew Wiggins. And so while Steph

708
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: is uniquely equipped to stretch Denver's defense out at the

709
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: point of attack, they are not super well equipped on

710
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: the weak side to take advantage of it. And so

711
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean they can't do it, but like they

712
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: would just have to have their timing down so good

713
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: on those back door cuts, and Aaron Gordon's gonna be

714
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: just camping under the basket basically that entire series.

715
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be.

716
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: It'll be a little bit of a tougher matchup because

717
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: Denver's defense is built to withstand teams that are very

718
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: top heavy with talent, which the Warriors definitely qualify as.

719
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: On the other end of the floor, I really like

720
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: the matchup for the Warriors. They have the unique ability

721
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 2: to put a big, strong wing and Andrew Wiggins on

722
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray while having one of the best options in

723
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: the league to guarding Nicole Jokic and Draymond Green, and

724
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: so they have as good a chance as anybody in

725
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: the league to you know, with the Nuggets, it's always

726
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: this delicate balance between guarding the Jokich Murray actions two

727
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: on two versus sending an additional body where guys like

728
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Kcper and Gordon and Michael Porter Junior can kill you,

729
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: right and like to me, you know, it's kind of

730
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: like the one time we saw the Nuggets lose in

731
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 2: the last two rounds last year was in the NBA

732
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: Finals Game two against the Heat. What happened in that

733
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: series In that game, it was Jimmy Butler and Bam

734
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: just did an unbelievable job guarding the Jokich Murray two

735
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: man game. And it's like, I think Wiggins and Draymond

736
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: have potential and so to kind of like to uh

737
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: and then backside of athleticism too, just having a Jonathan

738
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Kaminga on the weak side that can rotate around, that's

739
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: real athleticism there, Like you know, Steph and whether it's

740
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Brandon Pazanski or Clay at the two, they have the

741
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: ability from an IQ standpoint, to rotate around and they

742
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: can rebound like that teat that lineup's been really gifted defensively,

743
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: so to kind of like put a bow on it,

744
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: like I would still pick the Nuggets. They deserve to

745
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: be the favorites in that matchup there to the defending champions.

746
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: I think they're the best team in the league this

747
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: year by a reasonable margin. But yeah, of course the

748
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Warriors have a chance. It would just come down to

749
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: I think defensively they have as good a chance as

750
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: anybody to slow down the Nuggets just because some of

751
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: their higher end personnel. But on the other end of

752
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: the floor is gonna be the big one. It's will

753
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: they be able to load up on Steph and Will

754
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins and Jonathan Kaminga in particular, be able to

755
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: consistently cause problems for them. And honestly, matchups are a

756
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: big one too, because one of the things you'll see

757
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: is like, who's Aaron Gordon's gonna go? So, Aaron, one

758
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: of the things that the Warriors really like to do

759
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: is to attack post up mismatches to begin possessions with

760
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: Wiggins and Cominga in particular. So let's say, you know, uh,

761
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: Mike Malone goes, We're gonna put Aaron Gordon on Johnathan

762
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 2: kaminga because he's been one of the best young post

763
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 2: players in the league this year. We're gonna take him away, Well,

764
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: chances are you're gonna end up with a lot of

765
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: possessions where Andrew Wiggins is being guarded by someone like

766
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: a Michael Porter junior, right, and like that's a matchup

767
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: that he can take advantage of. He's got a speed

768
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: and athleticism advantage on him, Like Michael Porter Junior doesn't

769
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: move super well laterally, and so maybe you can get

770
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: Andrew Wiggins with some quick slot ISOs where he just

771
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: rips through the right and just uses his athleticism to

772
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: beat Michael Porter Junior. Like every time we get into

773
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: these playoff matchups, there's always every team brings different advantages

774
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: to the table, and you kind of lay him out

775
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: and you start to look at him, and I definitely

776
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: think the Warriors have some tools in their toolkit that

777
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: can give Denver issues. But I do think that Denver's

778
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: defense is set up in a way to cause Golden

779
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: State some problems. But same goes on the other end

780
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: of the floor. I just think the Nuggets are a

781
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: better basketball team overall and they deserve the like kind

782
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: of that initial confidence. If that makes sense. All right,

783
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: two more questions. We're out of here, had Jason Warriors

784
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: fan here. Klay Thompson did an interview with Logan Murdoch

785
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: on Monday where he said that he is open to

786
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: taking a reduced role following a mold of how Reggie

787
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Miller and Ray Allen contributed it in their later years.

788
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: What do you think that means for his game and

789
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 2: how do you think that affects lineup's play style and

790
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: overall strategy for Golden State. Enjoy the show. A few

791
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: people break it down like you do. Keep up the

792
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: great work. Thank you for the kind words. I really

793
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I was never worried about this with Klay Thompson.

794
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: The thing that I always talk about this when I'm

795
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: comparing some of the top players in the league. But

796
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: to me, there's a big difference between like loving basketball

797
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: and hating losing, and generally speaking, the teams that are

798
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: truly great they hate losing more than anything. It's like

799
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: a difference. It's like there's a love of the game

800
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: and then there's like overarching competitiveness, and there's a competitiveness

801
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: that the Warriors group has that I think is directly

802
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: responsible for a lot of their success over the years.

803
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: Like these guys are just psychopath competitors. Klay Thompson is

804
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: definitely one of those guys. This guy you can just

805
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: tell by watching him emotionally after every win and loss,

806
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: Like everything for this guy hinges on winning basketball games.

807
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: And so there obviously was going to be a little

808
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: bit of a transition as Clay came to acceptance with

809
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: his kind of decline over the last few years. And

810
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean he himself has said it, like, dude, I'm

811
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: thirty five. I think he's thirty five, that's if I

812
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: got his age right. But he's like, dude, I'm thirty five.

813
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: Host Achilles post acl like, like he's very aware of

814
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: his own decline.

815
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: He understands and beyond that, like, I never had a

816
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: doubt that he'd be the type of guy that would

817
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: do whatever it takes to help the team win, whether

818
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: that's in the short term. You know, don't be surprised

819
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: if in a big playoff moment, if Brandon pit Ziemski

820
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: gets to close games over Clay taking a discount in

821
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: the offseason to stay on the roster for the final

822
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: years of his career. In a smaller role rather than

823
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: chasing money elsewhere. Like, I just think Clay's the kind

824
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: of guy that'll do that first team because all he

825
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: cares about is winning. All right, last question, does it

826
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: feel like this year is more wide open than most

827
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: to win the championship? Even though Denver is the clear

828
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: front runner, They don't feel unbeatable to me. Would love

829
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: to know your thoughts. Love the show, best in the business.

830
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: Once again, thank you for the kind words and for

831
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: the support. I agree, I don't think Denver's unbeatable. I

832
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: do think they're a clearly discernible margin above everybody else,

833
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's a particularly large margin. To me,

834
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: it feels pretty similar to last year in the sense

835
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: that there's like six or seven teams that have a

836
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 2: real chance, and then there's another like three or four

837
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: that have punchers chances. But in situations like that, that

838
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: is where I tend to lean on some of the

839
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: more experienced teams, right, and like Denver to me, like

840
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: if they end up in a series with a team

841
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: that doesn't really know who they are yet, whether it's

842
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: like a Western Conference finals matchup with a Minnesota or

843
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: an Oklahoma city, for instance, right, like those that to

844
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: me is an example where like in a series like that,

845
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: just having been there before matters a ton, Like being

846
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: in those wars matters a ton, And like a lot

847
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: of times, like we gloss over the fact that, like

848
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: Denver won easily last year, but they've had their struggles.

849
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: They lost two years.

850
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: In a row, you know, with yokicch at the helm,

851
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: with guys out of the lineup. You know, like Aaron

852
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: Gordon was still playing during those those games, right, Like,

853
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: It's not like they were It's not like it was

854
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: just Yo kitchen four bumps, right, Like, those guys were

855
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: still getting reps. Going back to twenty twenty trailing three

856
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: to one in the Clipper series and coming back to

857
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: win losing to the Lakers in the Western Conference Finals. Like,

858
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: these Nuggets have been in battles, man, They've been in

859
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: battles like they are tested. This is a group that

860
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: has been together a long time, and so to me,

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Speaker 2: that is their their kind of differentiator. But I definitely

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Speaker 2: agree that this is more wide open than most years.

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Speaker 2: But it does remind me a lot of last year

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Speaker 2: in the sense that it feels like there's a hefty,

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Speaker 2: like dozen teams that have like a believable chance to

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Speaker 2: do it, even if it's somewhat small, but that there's

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Speaker 2: this clear, kind of like tier at the top that

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Speaker 2: feels closer than everyone else. All right, guys, that is

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Speaker 2: all I have for this portion of today's show. I

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Speaker 2: will see you guys tonight. After the final buzzer of

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Speaker 2: Clippers Warriors, the volume