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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am

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Speaker 1: he's The Last Enforcer. Please welcome Charles Oakley. Oh Tree,

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Speaker 1: he'll never stop on the way back. He gonna stop

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00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,440
Speaker 1: until it get dark, and then want to get dark,

427
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: he gonna leave and come back home. But every time

428
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: that's the one who made the tea cakes. Saw they

429
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: make them tea cakes. They say it's good. Oh yeah, Hey,

430
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: I think you gotta get Oh. I think my great aunt,

431
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: I think she would put some snuff in it. They don't.

432
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: They don't know anything about snuff. I know about snuff.

433
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: My grandfa, my grandfather, my grandmother, deep blue neighbor, my

434
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: grandmother that raised me money. Oh man, so I thought, hey,

435
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: them tea cakes just like they looked. They looked just

436
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: like peanut butter cake. But tea cakes had a different

437
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: kick to him. Oh, you said, I'm reading your story here.

438
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 1: You said you picked cucumbers, loaded tomatoes. Did you do like?

439
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: Did you baill? Hey? Did you did they have to

440
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: back up peanuts? I did worse. I picked cotton. The

441
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: big cot we house about. I was picking cotton. So basically,

442
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: you know your grandparents, all them at work, we eat,

443
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: you get a ride about eight miles away from the house.

444
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: The fun enough to know about by the time you

445
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: walk back and beat Tampa dinner. So you ain't come

446
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: back with some of your hands. You ain't eat dinner,

447
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: so drop us off. We had enough charge. We had

448
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: to pick that. We had to pick the cot you

449
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: had like cotton wood. Yeah, about three bags. We don't

450
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: have a two pounds exactly, and it went three bags

451
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: at least got sixty dollars yet about three dollars a

452
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: bitter cent. So but that was fun. What what did

453
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: working in those fields? That manual, hard, grueling labor, Because

454
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: you're going out there, it's early. We call it kink

455
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: the kink. When you went out there, you couldn't see

456
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: in the morning, and when you got done, you couldn't

457
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: see at night. What did that teach you? Charles Popley

458
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: that what did it teach you about? Work? Hard work, discipline, dedication, determination?

459
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: Taught me everything. It taught me everything because then that

460
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: you had to do it, you couldn't come in and

461
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: eat and I'm going to eat, And it just gave

462
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: me some discipline in my life that I no matter

463
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: what you do, the way you go work gonna be involved.

464
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah I had to do it the next morning. Yeah.

465
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: Hard work too. That's why I talk about book A

466
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of work, a lot of consistency. You got to

467
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: be consistent too, you know. Oh you know what you

468
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: and I, like I said, we've known each other for

469
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: such a long time. You're a provider because what happens

470
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: is is that you grow up and you see how

471
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: hard your grandparents were working, and you said, you know what,

472
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: I gotta make sure I take care of a lot

473
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: of people. So you getting at an early age, I

474
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: remember making twenty five dollars a week. I would take

475
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: ten dollars and give it to my grandmother. Well you

476
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: can buy something, you can pay for something. And as

477
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: I got older, it gave me a sense of pride

478
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: that man, here I am eight, nine, ten years old

479
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: and I'm helping my grandmother with bills. Yeah. Well, you know,

480
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: like I was going back and forth. But as I grow,

481
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: like into the NBA, like my high school, I got

482
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: summer job, you know, like you know, you minimum wage

483
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: job for the summer time, doing this and that two

484
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: months or summer. But once I got into the league. College,

485
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: I had a little job, but once I got to

486
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: the league, my first thing I did. But you know,

487
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: you always take care of your mother, your aunts and

488
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: your Every time I go down south or whatever, that

489
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: somebody who helped me raise me, I always try to

490
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: give him something. You know what I'm saying. Take one

491
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: picture going town buying Waller mittals. Give him a couple

492
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, five hundred dollars. So I spoiled my some

493
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: people who raised me. Yes, and to this day, I'm

494
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: every time I gonna, I'm giving me something. And you know,

495
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: to help the kids go to college down now, other

496
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: cousins coming up, And that's what you wanted to do.

497
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: I mean to a point you know now, I mean

498
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: they start asking for something three and for all the

499
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: time you got you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

500
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: you know. And uh but basically I did that early,

501
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I said, I said, like when I got into the league,

502
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: I said, no, what I came home my sister brother,

503
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, take care of them, maybe Christmas every summer.

504
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm lay low now you got

505
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: you remember what you getting. Don't spend it all the

506
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: one place, you know, you go to the bank and

507
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: money getting low. Just gotta you gotta juss, I have

508
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: to jell. So ever, what you do with it? Now?

509
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: You want me to give you a little month? Are

510
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: you going to twice a year? So you know you

511
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: got this, make rules and got a little with it.

512
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of friends in the streets

513
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: this and that when school with me. I still have

514
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: to tell them. That's why I said, I ain't changing

515
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: my number. My number have been the same thirty something years.

516
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm eighty yes or no, I ain't gonna go sending

517
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: you to the voicemail mass of the phone, right. You

518
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: know that's how I beerrate. That's how I'm okay. I

519
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: used to go back home and all the home is

520
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: to be standing on the corner. I go get pizza,

521
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: I go get beer. They we eat pizza. I sit

522
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: there and talk with him. They get ready to go

523
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: do something. File They're like a shark. Were about to

524
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: go make a move. Man, you go ahead and move

525
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: up out of here. That was telling me, okay, hey

526
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: you out. We want you to stay out, but we

527
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: still gonna do it. We do. We appreciate you not

528
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: changing who you are. You still sharing from from Glennville,

529
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: and you still treat us the same. And so for

530
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: me that that meant a lot to me that they

531
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: still thought enough for me to keep me out of

532
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: harm's wait. Oh yeah, I had a lot of friends

533
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: the same when my brother was you know, it was

534
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: a big guy in Cleveland, this and that, and a

535
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: lot of family members had an uncle had like seven

536
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: gas stations. But we still had to do our own thing,

537
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: get your own money to do this. Yet. But my brother,

538
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, we care a lot of weights. So a

539
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: lot of people know how we roll as a family.

540
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: We don't take no mess. My brother didn't take no mess.

541
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: I didn't take no mess. And right, I gotta understand

542
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: they excuse me. It is what it is. You know,

543
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: we just I mean, we figured it out. And like

544
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: I said, Mom still living you know, my past my

545
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: early age. But we still got a lot of family

546
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: members and I try to go and like I said,

547
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: it's been a bad time in the last couple of

548
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: years with the pandemic, but life they staying healthy and

549
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: stand strong. As a kid, what was your favorite sport

550
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: growing up? Football? I was football. I love football, you know,

551
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: you know down south you said you got a basketball

552
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: you gotta rock and you got a football. So we

553
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: were playing on concrete with football three on two on

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: two and and that's what we did. You know, like

555
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: I said, we kept active. You know. Then we you know,

556
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: in the swamp. We go to the swamp. My cousin

557
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: had a car. You get a two by four, that'd

558
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: be the David boy. They jump in, they jump in

559
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: the water. So we had fun. I mean, you in

560
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: the South, you gotta have fun. And unless you just

561
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: something wrong with the personal it didn't like watching them.

562
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: You're not getting a no car going to them all

563
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: in the South, you gotta hey when you go to town.

564
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: When you go to town, boy, you'd be like man

565
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: in about two miles after you leave town, star getting dark.

566
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: You know you're going back to the woods. Oh boy,

567
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: I can tell you from the country because that's what

568
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: we call it. Oh who want to go up town?

569
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: What position? What position did you play in football? I

570
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: played defense in I played peewee ball Canton, Alabama, CLI

571
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: played peeball and then high school I played defense in

572
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: tight end. But we had a I mean I had

573
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: more scholarships probably the same in football and basketball. I

574
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: chose to play basketball. Uh, Tim McGee played high school.

575
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: He went this is not a being on for like

576
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: ten years on the same team, and the handcuff went

577
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: to my school. John Hicks went to my school. We

578
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of football pros come out of there. Right,

579
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: So is that where your mentality come from basketball? Because

580
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: you play basketball like football, you'll be sitting there. I

581
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: told I tell everybody the same, Like Pat had a room,

582
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the whistles, don't blow. Keep playing. The ball can still

583
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: be out of bounce, but keep playing, you know, he whistle,

584
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: keep playing. But now I got something that tough defferent

585
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: from football and my grandfather. But football we do that

586
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: monkey roll then when the rain, Yeah, and they make this,

587
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, monkey roll. I do that anymore. I don't

588
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: think they make them do that anymore. They don't do

589
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: monkey rolls. They don't make him do they don't make

590
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: them do Oklahoma. Yeah, but I've been saying, but we

591
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: were doing that at the hops. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, people

592
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: like me. It was like you had the pig, you

593
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: know how the pigs that the mud. Yeah, that's that's

594
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: how we were doing. Jumped over one other. It was

595
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna make you talk. Oh yeah, you know, yeah, I

596
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing this. They needed to show

597
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: it to the NBA Playoff these days because they know

598
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: a little soft, a soft You chose to go to

599
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: Virginia Union. You said you want to get out of Cleveland.

600
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: A lot of crime at that point in time when

601
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: you were coming out of high school, one of the

602
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: highest murder rates in the US. You saw a man

603
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: get shot four times trying to rob, trying to hit,

604
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: basically trying to hit the leak, trying to hit the

605
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: lake when he was gonna get stuck the end the

606
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: way the next day. But because the guys in there

607
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: and then play, I don't know what happened. I guess

608
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: he broke up on the wrong side of the bed. Yeah,

609
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: I just I went down to school with Virginia Junior

610
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: History of Black College. I had a ball for four years.

611
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: I went I went away. I only came home one time,

612
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: saying in four years, really, I just wanted to get

613
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: out of Cleveland, Like, yeah, one time, four years I

614
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: went home sick and then I used to being away.

615
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of crime. A lot of

616
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: my guys was getting in trouble, going to jails, and

617
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: to this day, some of them just not coming home

618
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: in the last four or five years, though they did

619
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: twenty some years in jails. It was just crazy. Yeah,

620
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: but I made it out and uh, but you know

621
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: it was tough, but I hung in there. Like I said,

622
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: I knew how. I knew how to survive because I've

623
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: been by my grandfather and I got a little job.

624
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: But then the crazy story was, you know, I was

625
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: hanging with my brother once I got a little older,

626
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: Like I said, when I seen the guy guy who

627
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: shot it, was like it was just crazy because the

628
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: week before I was with my brother in a place

629
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: something similar to that. But I'm with my brother, you know,

630
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: and I gonna try not but this guy say around

631
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: the corner from me in Cleveland, and I was just

632
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: gonna go around there and you know, take a thousand dollars,

633
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, knock. We had made a lick, and I

634
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: was take a thousand dollars right and try my luck.

635
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: And I walked in the house and they, you know,

636
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: come on here. I never got a chance of even

637
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: getting the die. It was a dice game and this

638
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: guy robbed it. And you know, I didn't know him,

639
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: but the other six guys in the house knew him.

640
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: So I was just standing by, you know in the

641
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: houses and the old days, you know, at them chopping basement.

642
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: So I was just leaning back on the pole and

643
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it that he was trying to rub

644
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: the game and like saying, I know when of these

645
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: guys who knew my brother hit him about full times

646
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: and I just got on out of there. I never

647
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: got any game. Oh it was crazy, because you know,

648
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, it's just crazy. But that you know,

649
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: you always have to be careful of a cash game.

650
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: You always have to look for somebody trying to lay

651
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: it down. You play and diet, you playing cards, anywhere

652
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: there's money, somebody looking to hit the leak. But that

653
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: that was just They said they don't know why the

654
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: guy did it, because, like I said, everybody knew him.

655
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: But I was about thirteen. Huh, he got definite. He

656
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: probably on that sauce. You know that sauce make you

657
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: do that though, yeah, you could have been sauced with

658
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: mothering is because I walked in the basement. He was

659
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: on the dice for about twenty minutes, so he hit

660
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: about three numbers, so it could have been the money.

661
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know, so he might have had in

662
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: his mind anyway before even made a dice. So one

663
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: time I was in the playground. I was about thirteen,

664
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: and it's crazy story here. I was about thirteen, and

665
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: so it's you know, it's four courts and one end

666
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: of the court. Like on Friday. Guys, you know, they

667
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: get the check and go catch the check. The come

668
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: back with them forties and had a wine and have

669
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: some old England. So four or five with him and

670
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: shooting dice. And this guy was named it was Railroad,

671
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I think, And uh, he came in the bunch yard.

672
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I see the guy with a switch. This

673
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: guy rubbed the crap game with the switch. Nobody even

674
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: run or nothing. Yeah, but then was one of them guys,

675
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: so I guess he didn't have the same with him.

676
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: He had a switch. Then nobody even try to run

677
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: or nothing, because if he was, if they were a

678
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: man of why he was seeing two or later. So

679
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: they just said we'll just take this load. So I

680
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: went on and talking my brother to them. He messed

681
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: with too. I was like, nah, I'm good, he's get them.

682
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: It was just crazy, take these guys money with a switch. Oh,

683
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I switch that you guys whipped like your yeah, yeah,

684
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: if the treat I'm like, man oh man. There was

685
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: some soft guys, but it was it was crazy. It

686
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: was just how it was when I was going they

687
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: were doing stuff like that. But oh, here's the thing.

688
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: You go to Virginia Union, which is Enrichmond. Richmond at

689
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: the time had a high a very high also, so

690
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: you felt safer in Richmond that you did Cleveland. No,

691
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I didn't feel safer, but I was just on campus.

692
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: But my first week and there I got into with

693
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: some guys off campus. So my first week, you know

694
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: howe you come into three day on a freshman, go

695
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: here and there that Saturday, not at Friday night. They

696
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: got a play there called Henderson Center. So you go

697
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: from babybody from eight to eleven. All the students go there,

698
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, just meeting Greek. Yeah, so I'm kind of way.

699
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Some guys from campus snuck in there and from Richmond.

700
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: They snuck in there because my school Richmond is there.

701
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: It wasn't gave it and nothing. It was you can

702
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: just walked on campus, short cut to the school anything.

703
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: So it was it was kind of bad in a way.

704
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, something happened to one of the guys in school.

705
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: So we just had mat and you know we you

706
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: know at school, you know, about to hang together. Yes,

707
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: so one thing we had to none of this guy

708
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: getting to another guy's about three or four of them,

709
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: so we all surround them and we get into him

710
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: with him. So the word was when the guy on

711
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: the basketball team knew the guys and they said, who's

712
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the tall guy and they and they said, well tell

713
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: him he's been out come to the football game tomorrow.

714
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm on campus. I mean, if something happen to

715
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: me a campus, it's gonna happen. So when it got

716
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: a little out of hand, there was some there were

717
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: some bangers, but my guy on the team ended up

718
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: straightening it out. But still though it could have been

719
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: a problem, you know, right, Okay, Yeah, there's a game

720
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: Virginia Union, fair Bill State. I think you wrote the

721
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: book that you wrote out of fair Bill State. We

722
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: used to play fair Bill State. So I know what

723
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: fair Bill, North Carolina is. It's you know, a good

724
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: it's a good little drive from Richmond, though, so you

725
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: drive it down to the game. You're a homeboy. The

726
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: football team, get the fighting, you're in the stands, you

727
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: come back the stands and go on the field and

728
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: start wilding out with him. Are you at your side? No?

729
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: I was swinging. They had hell, I was swinging. They

730
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. That's a big story too. They was, Hey,

731
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: we got it. Then they couldn't believe it. But that

732
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: same that was just love. That's what I'm going for.

733
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: If you're going, I'm with you. I gotta go with you.

734
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: They couldn't believe it. I tell you that, well, you

735
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: gonna trip out. So I had to do a deposition

736
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: in Vegas club. You know. I got into the security

737
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: guarden there right, Yeah, you got me in the room,

738
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: asked me all of the questions. Guess what they're asking.

739
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: So what happened? You ran on the field? Fair bill

740
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: in college? That I swear. I y'all know that. I

741
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: couldn't believe the asking that question man, deposition. Man. It

742
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: was crazy though, but that happened. It was fun though.

743
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: I had a good time. You about if you if

744
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: you wish if I wish you, I wish you. But

745
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: you weren't with him, if you was in the stand

746
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: that was the football. Hey, I was with him though

747
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: I drove down and I with him. Hey they they

748
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: had Hey, I'm that judged. That be you, You and

749
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I to be everything Virginia Union, everything Virginia Union and

750
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: what we do as anybody when the union, what we do,

751
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: that's what we do. North forgot the same thing in

752
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: the basketball game. Had a ride at North of State.

753
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of guys got stumping down there

754
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: and this and that. I ran back out of the locker.

755
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: When the coach trying to grab me, I went back

756
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: out there. They couldn't hold me back. It was it

757
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: was crazy. They stumped with our guys. So we had

758
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: to get him back right. Basketball a lot. You tell

759
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: the story about your in Richmond, and you see Moses

760
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: Malone who comes back in the Rose royce. Yes, so

761
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm in the college. You know, most of Malone for

762
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: Peter birds Virginia and uh you know what him he

763
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: come up in the Rose roaring. Well, okay, we're oka.

764
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: You know my k new mate was telling, oh, come

765
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: that is so he gonna give me. Yeah, I'm most Malone.

766
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm Peter Virginia. So it's just then and mob couse,

767
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: most of Malone come looking for you. Hey, that's a

768
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: good thing. Yeah, show was love, but he didn't. He

769
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to, right. I'm not like because my name

770
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: was out there when I was in union, because I was,

771
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, I was giving him the business. But it

772
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: was a small school, but most of them all the

773
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: drive on campin the rose Water and sept me, oh man,

774
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: I love hey, I love most to this day. Rest

775
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: in peace, Moses. Let me ask you this, when did

776
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: you realize that, you know what, I'm at a small school,

777
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: but hell I can play in the NBA. I didn't

778
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: know it well in this book. My thing is I

779
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: didn't look at the school like that. I was just

780
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: having fun. And you know, my junior year, yeah, I

781
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: had good number. My last year, I was like twenty

782
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: four and seventeen, and they said, well, we're gonna invite

783
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: you to the tournament. So I went to the p

784
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: I t I got thirty five and twenty. You know.

785
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: Then the next game we put Sam Mitchells on our team,

786
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: gonna we beat him because down there you always pick

787
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: up a player. So after I did that, they invited

788
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: me into the Hawaii classes, you know, against all the

789
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: top twenty in the country. I helped my own and

790
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: if way to the East West All Star Game. That's

791
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: like the top twenty to come out of the draft,

792
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: top ten, top twenty players. I helped my own and

793
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: then the draft came around. They called me, said, well,

794
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: you might be in the top four round for you know,

795
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: for the top four round. And and I said, well,

796
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't go to New York. Next thing

797
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: they call up, so you might be in the top

798
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: three round. Then the next thing to the top two. Man,

799
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: I am going top ten. I ain't even Hey, I

800
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: ain't even go to the draft because they said the

801
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: fourth round. Why would I go to the draft? From

802
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: coming out in the fourth round. Through a history of

803
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: black college, I've been. I've been in bass. Like they

804
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: probably like, why are you coming up anyway? You weren't

805
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna go the first round. So hey, hey, when you

806
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: put hard work, when you work hard and do the

807
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: things right, good things happen. But you know, having having

808
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: trained with you, and a lot of people don't know this,

809
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: you used to come back to Atlanta and you would

810
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: train with the football guys. You on the track, running,

811
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: you out there lifting, and I'm looking like, hold on,

812
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I remember I probably hold on. That's Ar's Oakley. Hell

813
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: are you running with us? And you keep it up

814
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: with the football players. You come to the gym, Hey,

815
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: what time y'all lifted the day? I'm like, you will live.

816
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: You're coming to the gym. You're like, yeah, yeah, I

817
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: was dedicated. You know y'all running the one teams and

818
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: all that stuff. The track. Yeah, I mean, I never

819
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: turn down work. And that's probably why I last so long,

820
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: and probably you know you last so long. It graph

821
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: playing football. And I think that you know, playing eighty

822
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: two eighty two to a hundred games a year and

823
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: still be able to get up without in aches and pains.

824
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: You gotta put work in. Yeah. Oh, you played with

825
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: two Hall of Fame players. You played with Michael Jordan,

826
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: you played with Patrick Ewing. Obviously one was a big

827
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: the other was a guard. But outside of the positions

828
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: that they're played, what are the biggest differences and Patrick

829
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Ewing and and Mike. I mean, Michael was more of

830
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: a sexy player. He's a He's a wing guy. You

831
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: can rebound, bring the ball down and make plays and

832
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: make things look He's a bigger guy running straight down

833
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: the middle of the floor. Gotta wait for you, bring

834
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: the ball. You gotta wait for him to get in

835
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: the position. So I mean it's like night and day,

836
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: you know. I think that now that's why you'll see

837
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: a lot of centers in the game. The mon't everybody

838
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: won't stretch forth, stretch five can make the three. So

839
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 1: it was a big difference. I mean, Michael was the

840
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: edge fact that Patrick was just a player. But you

841
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: said in the book, you said Michael is an A player.

842
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 1: Patrick is a B player. We never had a true

843
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: A player on the Knicks. I mean, if you look

844
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: at it, like most teams were gonna give somebody whoever

845
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the best, like the Knicks right now, Jewish Random, is

846
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: they a player with you know, because they don't have

847
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: nobody else. He really a B player, But I don't

848
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: have an A player. I mean, Patrick was skills, can

849
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: do a lot of things. But I think that once

850
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: he got to the NBA, he didn't do the things

851
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: he did at George Sound for its reality, you know.

852
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we play hard, you know, and kept myself

853
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: in a lot of games and this and that he

854
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he make he got all the accolaides, the

855
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: Dream Team all start, all this and that top fifty

856
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: player of all time I mean, like I said, you

857
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: got it like draft these days, they got a draft

858
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: somebody because they got they gotta pick. But Patrick was

859
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: it was good. But I mean he wasn't a keen

860
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, a guy Keim could carry a team and

861
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: put a team on his back because he was so

862
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: agile and he knew how. He was better. I think

863
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: his i Q was better than Patrick. What's your relationship

864
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: like with Patrick? You in communication, my ladership and bat.

865
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: I took care of past for ten years. I mean

866
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I had his back, but there for him. We did

867
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: great things together, like when the ten we went to

868
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: ten playoffs together in New York. We never could win

869
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: the championship when we got there, we couldn't win it.

870
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: My own thing really hurt me was with Patrick was

871
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: when that thing happened in New York. He didn't come

872
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: up to my rescue and no kind of way. And

873
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: that's just kind of sad, you know, for someone to

874
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: play together for ten years. And I mean maybe why

875
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking more about him now, because hey, when you

876
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: play with somebody with ten years and give him your hearts.

877
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: So I psyched by my game. I took less shot,

878
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: I took charge. I dive in the stand. I mean

879
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I did all the dirty work and someone did me

880
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: and you play You should know me if you play

881
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: with me ten years and something happened, and if I

882
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: called you and said I'm wrong, But I don't call

883
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: you and tell you I'm wrong. You gotta go to

884
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: war for me, right point blank. You guys do make it.

885
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: You made it. You made it to one NBA Finals

886
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. That was the way your Jordan had

887
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: stepped away from the game. Do you wish you could

888
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 1: have gone through Jordan to say put that to risk

889
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: because they said, well, yeah, you went to the finals,

890
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: but Jordan was gone. And do you do you wish

891
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: what would you have done? What would you like to

892
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: see the Nicks do different? Because you had a free

893
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: to lead going back, going going to Houston. Yes, I

894
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: mean it's come up as serious. We was. We was

895
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: up too old one time. I just think, you know,

896
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: we got pat Rada coach, and I think that we

897
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: got caught up. I think sometimes pat Raley got called

898
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: the Phil Jackson motion and not the team. We'll be

899
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: trying to win as a team, right. I think there's

900
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but we was right there, but

901
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: we know what, we could never get the big bounce,

902
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: never got the call right and uh and in this sports,

903
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: and you know that sometimes you gotta get the ball,

904
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: got to bounce that way and a play gotta go

905
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: your way. We never got that for some reason. I

906
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know with the Minnesota Vigons, I don't know the

907
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, but something you know, these teams Buffalo went

908
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: went four years in a row Minnesota, but Vigon was

909
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: about four or five times. Sometimes it just ain't meant

910
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: for you. But uh, I was. We were fighting for it.

911
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: But what can you do. The ball got to go

912
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: in to win. Right When you got traded from the

913
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: Bulls to the Knicks, do you believe had you stayed

914
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: on the Bulls, you guys would eventually won a championship

915
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: like they did when they got caught right, no doubt

916
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: with Michael Jordan and Scott and Mature and whoys, that

917
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: team definitely is gonna win. You can you can see

918
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: it coming like a train down something like it said,

919
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: if you if you put your hair against the riboad

920
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: track and you know train coming here. So it did.

921
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I thought that that team definitely gonna win.

922
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would have won six, but it

923
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: would have one one of two if you'd had it,

924
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: if you'd had the so called A player in New York.

925
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: Do you believe you could have won a championship in

926
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: New York if you'd had an A player. Oh yes,

927
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: I think if Patrick would have played the same way

928
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: he played in Georgetown, we would have one. I think

929
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: he didn't bring that attention on defensive because you know,

930
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: on defense can determine how your offense on goal sometimes.

931
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: But I think if he would have played the same

932
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: way goaltending, block and shot putting people on that back

933
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,439
Speaker 1: like Georgetown, we could have won one. But like I said,

934
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: you know we I think sometimes we sell it too much,

935
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: you know we we didn't do the right thing sometime.

936
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: The coaches, I mean, like I said, when we played

937
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: the Bulls something, most of the games came down to

938
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: one of two possessions. And then they said when when

939
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: that type of game, most time the team with the

940
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: best players gonna win, and they had the best player.

941
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the book, this is how you

942
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: start the book off. I did not punch Charles Barkley.

943
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: I repeat, I did not punch Charles Barkley. I did

944
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: slap you know what out of Charles Barkley. Yeah, true statement.

945
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: I did smacking you know what at the NBA lockout.

946
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: But at one point in time he gave you great credit.

947
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: What transpired over the course of five ten years that

948
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: changed that You were you were cool. I'm not saying

949
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: y'all was best of friend. You were cool. You were

950
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: cardial til you walking up to the man and snapping him. Well,

951
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: that was probably after I smacked him. It was now,

952
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: it was it was the lockout. It was just you know,

953
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: he had touched me in my face, and you know,

954
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't play that. I don't know where it's hand

955
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: bands and he'll grown man. I'm grown man. I can't

956
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: let you get away with that. I don't play with me.

957
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: I did never play with nobody. And that's the one

958
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: thing I tried to tell people. You know, people always

959
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: come and ask you a thousand question. I ain't got

960
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: time to ask a thousand questions. Just say hello, maybe

961
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: know me. You already know about me. So it's just

962
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: a lot of things happened. He talked too much. I mean,

963
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: he was he was a great player. I ga him that.

964
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: But besides that, I ain't give me nothing else that

965
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: when when he seen me, he better go on the way.

966
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: That's I'm gonna give him that. Hello. It was I

967
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: read in the book that he kept saying that guy's

968
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: you on steroids. I wouldn't that big. So I guess

969
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: you were so strong because you were so strong. Oh

970
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: he might have been he might have been talking about

971
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: carb malone. But oh, you do realize you don't have

972
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: normal strength for a basketball player. You you're a hype

973
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: of a basketball player, but you got strength like a

974
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: football player. I've seen you in the we worked out together,

975
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: we've been on the track together. You're not like the

976
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: average basketball player. Well back in the days, I just

977
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: do three fifteen ten times exactly. I gat the three

978
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: seventy five, So I guess, you know. But still, I

979
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: mean he was he was better than me athletic, you know,

980
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: scoring points. But I had to just had to do

981
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: on the court. I mean, I had to protect myself

982
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: and make sure that every night mine went out, I

983
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: had my team back, and you know, my job was

984
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: to shut down the paint. But for me and him personally,

985
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen him out summer times. But y'all

986
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: y'all y're cool now, Nah, because he owned ProAb on

987
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: T and T talking about why he talking about me

988
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: in the book. I'm gonna keep talking about you. So

989
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: how I got a car washing and on clothes, So

990
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: keep coming to come to car wass Okay, tell the

991
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: story about time. I don't know. I just tried to

992
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: figure out this story about Tyrone Hill. You lend Tyrone Hill,

993
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: then it's a card game. You lend Tyrone Hill, twenty grade,

994
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta and Atlanta. Now this is what I know about you.

995
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: All right? Let me tell you. I want to tell

996
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: the story. I hadn't I had one of the first

997
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: two thousand. I had one of the first seven sixty.

998
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: You came to town, don't you. I had just got

999
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: the car, had fifty miles on the car. You're like, man,

1000
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: I want I want to buy that car. I like, huh,

1001
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: I just I said, okay, I just got the car.

1002
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: He said, I want to buy it. You tell you

1003
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: called me, tell me to come up till at the time,

1004
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: it was the Risk Carton in Buckhead. I come up

1005
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: to the four, I come up the Risk Carton. I

1006
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: drive the car up there. You're like, okay, I would

1007
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: take it. I like what you made, you gonna take it?

1008
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: You like here, you gave me one hundred and twenty

1009
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: five thousand cash. You took me back home. You said, hey,

1010
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: do me a favor. Leave the insurance on it till tuesday.

1011
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: Till I get to where I'm going. I'll change the

1012
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: insurance over and I call you back that tuesday you

1013
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: called me you good, you peep. That was it. So

1014
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: I know you have you. I know you probably don't

1015
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: carry money on you like that now, So I know

1016
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: you were good for the money. You had the money

1017
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: on you. Why wouldn't the man give you the money back? Well,

1018
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: it was a problem that he said he was going

1019
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: through the vos and then I said real, I said,

1020
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: who manag as number one? So one thing layed to another.

1021
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: Were in training we so the training camp start. We

1022
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: were in North Carolina, be playing somebody right so day

1023
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: and they lay up line. I get out, I get

1024
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: out of my team, lay Atlanta, get in. They lay

1025
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: up line just to get just to get the rebound

1026
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: to get to him and let him know I'm in

1027
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: the building. Okay. Start. It was so funny, all the

1028
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: guys of the laughing like, oh you're in the wrong lines.

1029
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: So no, I'm not, so we didn't do it. Now

1030
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: the team do lay up, but time for me to

1031
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: get the ball to him. He looked like, oh, he's

1032
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: all he's seeing the ghost. But this man just kept

1033
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: kind of dune. It started to the season. The season started. Okay,

1034
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: it's a crazy part. So the season started. We played Philly. Yeah,

1035
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: he don't feel it now because he will trained with Cleveland.

1036
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: So he didn't Philly. So the first game that we

1037
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: play him in New York, he don't show up. Next

1038
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: time we go to Philly. So I get there early

1039
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: and go, you know, get there before six. I could

1040
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: like five thirty quarter six. I get some flowers in

1041
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: my locker and somebody said some flowers. I looked at him,

1042
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: so it says to Charles Suckers. So I told the

1043
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: top ball and I said to ty around here from

1044
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: Charles sucker. So I get a ballboy on a hundred

1045
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: dollars to take these and put him in tight around

1046
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: here locker. Okay, son put it, I said, staying there

1047
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: and see it. Reaction once he see it, so he

1048
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: came in. He was gonna play that night. He came

1049
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: in the locker him on this nap, so he said.

1050
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Ballboys say, he walked in the door, he started smile

1051
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: and see the flowers. He went to his locker and

1052
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: then he opened up the thing and said he started

1053
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: reading it. Ball Boys said he threw a thing down

1054
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: and just started coughing. So he went home. He left.

1055
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: The reader went home and played sick. Come on, yes, yes,

1056
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: you're writing the boy. You're writing the book that. When

1057
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: you finally were able to approach him, you said, he

1058
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: told you, okay, I'm going through it because right now

1059
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm going through a divorce. Your words were divorce. Who

1060
00:51:52,560 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: married your a glass? Right? I like your mind. So

1061
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: went on to the season. Last around, people saw it

1062
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: like a la time on not showing up, so it

1063
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: got big. So he tried the first game of the playoffs.

1064
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: He came by, man, what are you doing this? You

1065
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: know I was going through this, and I said, man,

1066
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: I gotta deal with it. You know you make more

1067
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 1: money than me. So he said, I got your money.

1068
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: So he had me the money. I'm looking at what

1069
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: it is. I said, you know, I got char juice

1070
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: on my money. So I threw it with the money.

1071
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: With money got the car. They day he came back

1072
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: and gave me thirty thousands. I tried him next, So

1073
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: he finally paid you your money. Yeah, oh yeah, he

1074
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: had to play. Okay, now you're getting to it. You're

1075
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: at a matter of fact a this time you're playing

1076
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: with the Wizards. You talking to someone in Charlotte. Female.

1077
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: You don't mention the name in the book you mentioned

1078
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: the fee. Now, this is what I do know about you.

1079
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: You drive it, damn it everywhere. It ain't it's nothing

1080
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: for you. Only get in the hard drive a thousand miles,

1081
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: so people might not know I know that about you.

1082
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: You drive Cleveland to New York from all from You

1083
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: drive from Georgia to New York. So that's the driving

1084
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 1: is nothing to you. You're talking to You're talking to

1085
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: this young lady on the phone. You hear somebody in

1086
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the background. You ask for who that is? She says Jeff.

1087
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: She never gives you the last name. She just said Jeff,

1088
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: and I guess there's some commotion going on, and you're like,

1089
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: what the hell is that going on? You hang up

1090
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: the phone. You're getting your car and drive down. I'll

1091
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: drive all the way down to Charlotte, you know, asking

1092
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: where's this guy was talking because he has says something

1093
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: like who's that guy you talking to? And I'm like telling,

1094
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: he's been this really disrespected. So I drive it out that,

1095
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: this and that. So then I found out not a

1096
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: season start right right? He was playing with the Clippers.

1097
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm in Toronto, right, So he in Toronto, Toronto, Toronto

1098
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: come to I'm in Toronto. The Clippers come to toront

1099
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, they come in the day before, but they

1100
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: had the first shoot around a second shoot around, so

1101
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: the visit team most of time get the first shoot around.

1102
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: So I'm in the locker room. I mean my thing

1103
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: I went he went on my mind, but I was

1104
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: more seem like I went to I went to practice

1105
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: too earlier or something because I was right, have things

1106
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: to do. So I was just bored, right, and I

1107
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: realized that man, they just shooting around. It's ten o'clock.

1108
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: So about five minutes to ten, I leave the locker room.

1109
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: Everybody else didn't watch the tape, you know, I came

1110
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: out of it, so I knew what he was gonna do.

1111
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: So I walked out there, just walking their practice. I

1112
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: go straight to a big line, straight towards him, asked

1113
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: no question, no nothing. I just whack. Oh, you just

1114
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: walk up on the man and just walked in they practice,

1115
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: they was practice, Yeah, just in front of the whole team, coaches, everybody.

1116
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: So I hit him. But my older was like, that's

1117
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,479
Speaker 1: my best friend. I said, when you get in lined

1118
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: in because I'm hitting the day. So I hit him

1119
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: in the head. He too, I had a ring, gonna

1120
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: hit him in the head. At that time, my other

1121
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: teammates coming out and they seeing all of them around

1122
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: me and everybody running down there. What's going on? So

1123
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: Avan Jenner and the coach, he called the NBA Larry

1124
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: Richardson and tell them that old came in our practice

1125
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: and hit the playoffs right, So da da da. They

1126
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: called me back about three thirty. You know, we can

1127
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: go back home this And at three thirty, oh you

1128
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: suspending that d D so April come around. You know,

1129
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: we go to LA. He's sitting in our message like,

1130
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: oh we got all the crips and blood when you

1131
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: come to LA, this and that. So I said, well,

1132
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: you know the team coming, I'm coming. So I called

1133
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: my guy. We get in the night before, two of us,

1134
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: two of them, and wanted me to go to dinner.

1135
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: I said, man, you know this guy been talking mess

1136
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, so, so he said, what's going on? I said, well,

1137
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: just play five more guys. I'm gonna have y'all seven tickets,

1138
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: all y'all web black, and I'm gonna get some tickets

1139
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: behind the Clippers bench. So the guy came next day, Bramon,

1140
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: I got the tickets game to him. They sitting behind

1141
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: the Clipper bench with shades on for the One of

1142
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: the ball boys said, oh, when them the guys I

1143
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: see me leave it. I said, yeah, you know that

1144
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: guy with the talking mess with me. So basically I

1145
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: told these guys that I might have a problems, right

1146
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: and they can't showed up. I guess what happened the

1147
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: first quarter he played hurt. He's seen seven guys sitting

1148
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: behind the bench. He knew something was up. He played

1149
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: hurry went home. So at the game, my seven guy

1150
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: were standing by the bus where we leave this and

1151
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: then they said, uh, well, hame to the guy was

1152
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: talking to us something and he left. He left at halftime.

1153
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: So he ain't want no smoke. He didn't want that smoke. Okay,

1154
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: Lamar old him who he said he was his best friend.

1155
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: You're at the All Star Game in DC. Correct. You

1156
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: see you're at the hotel. So you're waiting for the

1157
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: elevator to come to come to your floor. The doors

1158
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: open if lamar old him in three or four guys,

1159
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: you get on the elevator, you say somebody need to

1160
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: get off. They get off the elevator, all of them

1161
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: get off. Hello. You know how you get on the

1162
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: elevator and talk about somebody need to get off. They

1163
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: was on their first It didn't matter, you wild. It's

1164
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: just funny, man. It's this book a shade, this book,

1165
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: the stories in the books. I mean, it's just it's

1166
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: just easy, mean, good story. I tell everybody, don't be

1167
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: drinking no coffee up, drinking no wine reading this book.

1168
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: So you're gonna waste it. Yeah, because this book, boy,

1169
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: you don't know when it's like somebody you don't know

1170
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: where the punch coming from, you know. But it's just

1171
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want people to know, hey, listen, hey,

1172
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: getting them something to talk about and have something on

1173
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: your shelf, like when you have your books, all your

1174
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: books shelf and this snap something. If I want something funny,

1175
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: what book I'm going to? I just want you to

1176
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: go to the enforcer. You got. Look, I know Judge Matthis.

1177
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: I met Judge matthis here. How the hell you almost

1178
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: get this? Get the swinging with Judge mathis Well in

1179
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: that book? He shay, it ain't in the book. I'm

1180
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: gonna give you the beginning of it. Okay. So I'm

1181
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. You know, I'm about seven seven years straight.

1182
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: I used to have a Labor Day weekend. I had

1183
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: a club, we got a muse, some park, play softball, barbecue,

1184
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: and my mother house. So this this that summer. This

1185
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: summer we were having it. The water was kind of bad,

1186
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: you know. I had a black vand and so everybody

1187
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: went in town. They want to come in this Saturday.

1188
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: It's maybe about three or four people in town. Mostly

1189
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: about twenty people come in town. But anyway, so we

1190
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: just go down to the marge. So we still went

1191
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: to the marge, about five of us in the vand

1192
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: so I'm walking to marge. You know, I'm a home

1193
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: that I everybody want to talk to you this and that.

1194
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm talking to this guy and this other guy. Oh,

1195
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: I need to talk to you. I said, man, I'm

1196
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: talking give me ten or fifteen minute. He come up

1197
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: with me again. I said. I said, give me ten

1198
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: or fifteen minutes. About three or four minute he came

1199
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: up me again. I said, no, man, you come up

1200
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: here again. I'm gonna packed the shot out of you.

1201
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: About thirty second, man, he grabbed me. That what got me.

1202
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: I might wouldn't let him go, but he grabbed me. Man,

1203
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: I knocked him out. Man, hold on, no, no, no,

1204
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: I ain't got to him yet. Okay, this is all.

1205
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: This isn't the same night though, so I'm in Cleveland. Okay,

1206
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: so this didn't Cleveland. So he grabbed me, but I

1207
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: talked about knocked him out. So I ain't had nothing

1208
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: to drink or nothing. I'm just talking through this guy.

1209
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: My people had a drink because he was there about

1210
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes. So I'm talking. So by time he

1211
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: grabbed me and I heard him, and then people come,

1212
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: oh what happens that? As a man, I just get

1213
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: out of here. So we get out of there, getting

1214
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: the van. Well it's five. Wasn't start driving my stepbrother

1215
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: and oh, Jay's very grant. He called me. We about

1216
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: five minutes another spot, he said, oh I heard just one. Yeah. Man,

1217
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: he kept grabbing on me. He said, man, come on

1218
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: to Detroit, Detroit most of time like two forty five

1219
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: and Cleland I got that at two fifteen. He said,

1220
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: we got a show, we go on. We go on

1221
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: last and so it's about five thirty six out. We

1222
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: get that about eight thirty day on stage. He lead

1223
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: it back though he lead the tickets. I got the band.

1224
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I got a stroll lights on. So I'm putting it

1225
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: like I'm somebody important, you know, mano, but like I'm

1226
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: in the show with the stroll lights. Right. So we

1227
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: go behind stage, stand up there, this and that. We

1228
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: see the last three songs and uh we see a

1229
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: lot of all celebrities with him, so bam. So the

1230
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: show is over most of time. After the show, the

1231
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: members of the group is going to lock him with

1232
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes of cool down right, So I hit

1233
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: him about and he said, well, I'm going over here,

1234
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: Derry Coleman, get him see George Brown and he said, well,

1235
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: we'll be on about forty five minutes an hour. So

1236
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: I get my crew, were get in the band. We

1237
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: go around there and then a lot of this and that.

1238
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: So we walk in he goes George Queen Latifa, Uhry

1239
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: quitt me Derek Coleman. I mean, it's just all kinds

1240
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: of celebrities in there. So the girls on with and

1241
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: the other two guys. So the girls said, we gotta

1242
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: go to the restaurroom, you know, freshen up. I said,

1243
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, we'll wait till you come back. So they

1244
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: go in there for four or five minutes to come back,

1245
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: and I said, they said, can we say here we

1246
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: queen the teeth, I said, I mean just asked queen.

1247
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: Queen said yeah, she already had about four girls with him,

1248
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: and so we we go with it corner Derek Coleman,

1249
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: and they caught me. You know, they're over there just

1250
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: kicking the bridge, this and that. So thirty forty minutes

1251
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: to go past, here comes Eddie and Eric. For no, James,

1252
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: we can sit in there. Eric. You know, it's a

1253
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: good job man, this and that. And they're like, oh, Man,

1254
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm glad you came. And He's like, oh, each oldre

1255
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: with you. Just did they Cleveland? I said, man, man

1256
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: kept grabbing on me. You know how I do it

1257
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: from Cleveland. So yeah, we gotta keep it up, man,

1258
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: we gotta stay real with it. So about twenty minutes

1259
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: later he comes judge mappis, Yeah, he go to check.

1260
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: He goes, y'all check Jack. I'm like, we've just been

1261
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: there forty five minute. I mean, how many drinks at

1262
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: the girl have? I mean no, no, no, One thing

1263
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: lad to another. I said, what is you talking to him?

1264
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: I said, DC check this man? Oh come on, Oh

1265
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: he coming over here bothering me. I ain't doing nothing.

1266
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't a problem. I'm paying the check is the

1267
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: way how he did it right? Check? You'll ass for boy.

1268
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: I'm knocking your head. Andy's like, oh please, oh, I said,

1269
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: you know he wrong. He can bring tell you disrespect

1270
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: you be. You want to be trying to show out

1271
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: in front of cring of the teeth and you get

1272
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: to check and one thing lad to another. I said,

1273
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: Edie like, oh please, I said, man. Then he said

1274
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call my boys on you. I said, no,

1275
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: what call him? I threw my keys to my man

1276
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: moved to her here from Houston, I said, go out there.

1277
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: I started the band. I had the stash barking. Now.

1278
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: I said, when you hit the radio, hit the brakes

1279
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: and then something goes. I said, keep him ready because

1280
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: if something come up here too. Out of the ordinary,

1281
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: you know what to do. So we got into it. Man,

1282
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: just this and that. We finally get up. I saw

1283
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: the girl. See that's what happened. Stay with the people

1284
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: you come with. This will never happened because if he

1285
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: couldn't have came up with and hens about pay a check.

1286
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: So all the ex attention he came because of y'all.

1287
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, say next time and go somewhere

1288
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: with me, Stay in the truck or stay with me. Right,

1289
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: So we get get a roll about two about two

1290
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: hours almost back he comes, butch Lewis called me, Oh

1291
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: I heard what happened. Man, he was wrong. But if

1292
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: I ever see him again, I'm gonna smack the dogs

1293
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: out of him. Oh please don't do this man. So

1294
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: it was just a crazy night. Man. He was trying

1295
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: to front, trying to play the big shot roll. And

1296
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: you don't never sell somebody. You're gonna call somebody own you.

1297
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: And I got a big band outside with all kind

1298
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: of equipment in it, right, not ready equipment either. I

1299
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: had no DJ. Let me ask you this. I'm gonna

1300
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: get you out of here on this Jordan had obviously

1301
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Jordan and Charles was very cool when they played.

1302
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: Charles made some comments on his show on T ANDT

1303
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: he and Jordan had been cool since Isaiah Scotty. Do

1304
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: you believe these guys will ever be cool again? No? No,

1305
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: it's just like asking. I don't think so, Isailla. You

1306
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: know Isaia man because he took Chicago. Uh he trying

1307
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: to say he he didn't if he's gonna play on

1308
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: the Dream Team, he wasn't gonna play. Scotty, I mean,

1309
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: Scottie just wanting to put itself in this position that

1310
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: it's almost tough to you to sit down sit across

1311
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: from the guy that went to war with you. Now

1312
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: you got you know, sets up about him in the book.

1313
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: But Barkley, I ain't no more golf for Barkley. I

1314
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: told him it's time out. Barkley, and T ain't gonna

1315
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: to you got to work on T ANDT for the

1316
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: next twenty years because it ain't no golf time for you.

1317
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for you. Gotta know you really

1318
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: like to play golf and your game is getting better,

1319
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,959
Speaker 1: but you got have to play with some other guys.

1320
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: And Jordan got and Jordan got the keys to all

1321
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: the time, all the top courses over the world. Michael

1322
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: Jordan can say not just that he got one of

1323
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: the best golf courses, grow twenty three under the world

1324
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and he got right, he built his own golf course.

1325
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: So Barkley probably he probably get him play in this

1326
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: ride over because he'll never play on it. He can

1327
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: see him from the sky, but he can't see it

1328
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: in the ground. You Oh, you in DC. You with

1329
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: the Wizards when Kwami was there? What happened with Kwame Brown?

1330
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: Why wasn't Kwammy able to fulfill the potential that so

1331
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: many people saw in him? Well, he had a lot

1332
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: of potential. I think that Doug was there and you

1333
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: know they drafted him, but they didn't work with him.

1334
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot that's going on the league

1335
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: to day. Kwama is real intelligent. Uh, he understand the game,

1336
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: but you know he had small hands. You know, sometimes

1337
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: you you put you can't get out your own way right.

1338
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that might have had to come called

1339
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: me because he like said, he wasn't tell him he

1340
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: got in his own way sometime and he probably thought

1341
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: they didn't put enough interest in him. They drift him

1342
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: number one. But sometimes when you drive somebody number one.

1343
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: You figured they can play, right, so you gotta you

1344
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: gotta show you, gotta show me something and put interest

1345
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: in you. So they might have didn't see that early.

1346
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, they might ask him to do something. People

1347
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. They probably figure up but he lazy.

1348
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: But when I went back down there coached him the

1349
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: two years I was there, I mean he wanted to work,

1350
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: but they didn't know that. They didn't get to really

1351
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: know him to see his weakness and you know, what

1352
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: do you do best? Right? So that might have been

1353
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: a management problem because they didn't spend time with him

1354
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: enough to really see how he functioned, what his thought

1355
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: of mind is. So some people not real strong manter.

1356
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: Some people need help. That's why they says something you

1357
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: needed to have pep talks, right, you know some peolps

1358
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: you feel like they gotta pep you up every game.

1359
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: He might have needed that and they didn't get him that, right.

1360
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: Do you do you think it was hard on him

1361
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: because Jordan was trying to win championships and a lot

1362
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: of guys, a lot of guys like Lebron Lebron, they't

1363
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to work with no rookie and getting ready to

1364
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: play he want veterans, guys that understand how to play

1365
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: so we can compete for a time. I ain't got

1366
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: trying to babysit you. Well, I was there. I didn't

1367
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 1: see Mike really, you know, he might have seen them

1368
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: caring to kiss the ball ship or something like that,

1369
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: but he didn't ride ca Me like you know. I mean,

1370
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: he invest in you, so he wanted you to do well.

1371
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: He didn't want you to don't say, you know, he

1372
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: want to see what you had in you. He might

1373
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: have been doing to see what you're tough minded enough,

1374
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think he was riding ca Me like that.

1375
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: They might have. They might have talked about him in

1376
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: a way that when they see he wasn't feeling working out.

1377
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,959
Speaker 1: But I thought I thought he had a lot of talent.

1378
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 1: But like I said, he might haven't put enough work

1379
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: in to get better. He might have just stayed at

1380
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: the same level. But seemed like later in his career

1381
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: he got more hungry. Because I guess things, when things

1382
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 1: ain't going right, you want to get you know you

1383
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: won't get better. You know it might have been too

1384
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: late to get better, and then people don't have no

1385
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: trust in you. When people don't have trust on you

1386
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: that ain't good. Do you remember do you remember Master

1387
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: Pe coming to Toronto? Yeah, Master he came up there,

1388
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: butch called the game of trial. Master. He was just funny.

1389
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: He was a guy. He played in a couple of games.

1390
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: But you know, he was just hey. He probably just

1391
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: been glad to be on the team. You know, we

1392
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: we bond it. I mean, I mean, I get along

1393
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,560
Speaker 1: with anybody side that I don't like, you know what

1394
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I didn't have no problem with him. And

1395
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: you know, somebody from the music world getting a trial

1396
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I mean I was for him. He

1397
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: just didn't have enough talent. What about the master your

1398
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: question the eighty ninety players? Do you believe how many

1399
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: of the eighty and ninety players could play as well

1400
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: as they did in the eighties nineties in today's game?

1401
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: And if we take today's players and put them back

1402
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, I think today's players have

1403
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: a harder time than the eighties and ninety players. Even

1404
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: though we played more half court in the eighty to

1405
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 1: ninety but they were still skilled, right, and because the

1406
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: physicality was there, and I think these playoffs couldn't have

1407
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: played a half court like we didn eighty to ninety.

1408
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, not didn't sought them, but I think that

1409
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: they just not mindset gains strong enough. And you watch

1410
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: them play, you don't see the destructure. Destructure, right, It

1411
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: was more structure in the eighty than ninety. Right. But

1412
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of basketball. I look at it.

1413
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: It's like football. They've legislated the physicality out of football. Yeah,

1414
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: they've legislated. They've legislated the physicality out of basketball. They

1415
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: tried to make it not an exclusively skilled game. You

1416
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: hear you got flagrant one, flagrant twos man nob were

1417
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: common files. You might not even get a file call

1418
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: with some of the files. Y'all didn't eighty to ninety. Well,

1419
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: everything now is about money in the in the global world,

1420
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 1: I think, especially the NBA. You know, they they searching

1421
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: for Like when I played, and probably like three percent

1422
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: in the UNPN players. Now you got thirty or more.

1423
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: And that's where the money's coming from. So getting big contracts.

1424
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: And in the NBA signed a contract about four years ago,

1425
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: twenty four billions and nine years and and I think

1426
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: that's probably when we played, probably was two hundred millions.

1427
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: So you see how much it can grow for a

1428
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: globe with money. Do you think, well, will we ever

1429
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: see fights like you guys had in the eighties and nineties?

1430
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: Will they fight like that in today's NBA. I don't

1431
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: know where you'll see a fight like this we were

1432
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 1: back in the eighties and nine. You're gonna have to google.

1433
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: Go to Google to get Oh. Look, the new thing

1434
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: now is celebrity fighting. The celebrity boxing matches. If I say, okay,

1435
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: ok I got I got X amount of dollars for

1436
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: a celebrity boxing match. Who you want? Who you want

1437
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 1: your opponent to be? First one? It's Shock Barkley h

1438
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: them too? Oh you want sha? You want? You want to?

1439
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: You want a celebrity boxing back with Shack? Yeah, I'll

1440
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: tell you. I don't know about setting pounds him, but

1441
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: I'll take him. You take Shack in the box back

1442
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: because I know you used you used the box. Now, Yeah,

1443
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: I got I got him pretty good hands. Yeah, but

1444
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: i'mould be moving though, so but now it'll be fun.

1445
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: I would I would definitely do that though with an

1446
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: NBA X player, you would so yeah, and I still

1447
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: got I still got the little look, I got a

1448
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: little mob and weeded in me right. Obviously, obviously, you

1449
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: know you and Lebron. Lebron is a close friend of yours.

1450
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron grew up in Cleveland, he grew up

1451
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 1: in Akron. What's it like to have a guy like

1452
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: Lebron growing up and you see what he became. Did

1453
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: you think Lebron would be as good as he became? Well,

1454
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, watching him from an early

1455
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: age and until he I think when he came to

1456
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: Chicago and saw the pros play that summer and he

1457
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: went back to college. I mean, I went back to

1458
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: the high school. And he's seen so much and like

1459
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: I say, like visionalizing, Like you know, he's one of

1460
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 1: them guys vision stuff. He's by like wow, I gotta

1461
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: get my gang like this gang like that. Because they

1462
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: didn't let him play right he wanted. That was a

1463
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: challenge for him. But what he had done over his

1464
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: career just it's just it's just incredible. Owning off the floor,

1465
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: he's just been incredible. He's staying for everything, he holds.

1466
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: Guy's accountable and off he got his crew with him,

1467
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: random rich and mad family. He just do it all.

1468
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: I've never seen a guy do all this, probably the

1469
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: first guy who's still playing to be a being, are

1470
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: still playing his professional It's just, hey, what more can

1471
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: you say? And I'm just feel bad for him. The

1472
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: situation they're going on in LA right now. And last

1473
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: time I see a situation like this with a superstar

1474
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: with MJ first five six year in the league, when

1475
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: I coming with the Bulls getting thirty eight and eight

1476
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: and still losing five hundred team that ain't him. He

1477
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: deserved better than you know, and I think that I

1478
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: don't know what its gonna happen. He might have to

1479
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: get out of the LA. I hate the fans, you know,

1480
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: hear me say that. But he needed he needed he

1481
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: needed a ring. He needed a ring, and I think

1482
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: that he might have to lead to get it and

1483
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: the two players that he can probably get it in

1484
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: right now, he's the Phoenix or Philadelphia, I said, feeling

1485
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: him enjoyling bead. Yes, make that train, Bill Simmons Lebron

1486
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: the money match. I think Portland was trying to do

1487
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: something to make the money to match. I mean Phoenix

1488
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: would make the money the match because that's what they need.

1489
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: I like Phoenix this year for some reason, they've got

1490
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: another man. I like him. They've been consistent last two

1491
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: years because most teams most of the time, when you

1492
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: get to the finals and you donna bounce back the

1493
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: next year, you're gonna never get back. And they playing

1494
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: the same way they played last year, but they're playing

1495
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: smarter and better. Right, Oh, you used to be a

1496
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 1: gamble I don't know if you still gamble like he

1497
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: used to you like you was big in the cash game. Yeah,

1498
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: what's the most money you ever lost in the cash game? Uh?

1499
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was said about fifty. Your game

1500
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: is TOMK you still like? Your game is talk play.

1501
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: We played don't play, No guts. I hate guts. You

1502
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: don't play. I don't know. I like guts, but I

1503
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 1: hate Boo Ray. Okay. So we had m J birthday party.

1504
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: So I had did all the cooking, did all this

1505
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: and that. So we had a we had a Poplar

1506
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: gang going on with MJ and somebody of the crew.

1507
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: We had another gut gag on with jay Z world

1508
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 1: Wesson the field of guys. So I was back and

1509
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: forth because I was doing you know, I was doing

1510
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: the serving other food and cooking and everything okay. So

1511
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: I got in late this day in the gut game,

1512
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: so that in the last a fift while I was

1513
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: getting laid by leven day to twelve. So it was

1514
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: coming to an end. So j Z boy one, I

1515
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: think he tried to. I think he called butt on it,

1516
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: but I was I was swell of gud. I was

1517
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: about to get in his ass the I thing he

1518
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: called the pot and didn't have him money. He though

1519
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: he was with Jade, but still though he had it

1520
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: and in front of him. So we don't play that.

1521
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: You borrow you call something that you're borrowed. Now you

1522
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: got to have in front of you to call it right.

1523
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: So I was kind of heed it. But it was

1524
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: a good night because that was my man birthday, you know,

1525
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: second night. And yeah, you can't send the man birthday.

1526
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: Oh damn, I was about to. I was about to.

1527
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: I know you about you. You can't send it. Let

1528
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Ben Simmons how that situation

1529
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: is playing out in Philadelphia? Doc said what he said,

1530
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sure we can win a championship with him.

1531
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: Joe ellen Bee said, the game changed when we had

1532
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: a layerup. I mean we had a layup and we

1533
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: end up getting a free throw. What are your thoughts

1534
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: on Ben Simmons? If he handled it right, what should

1535
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: he do and how should he handle it? Ain't nobody

1536
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 1: handle it right. But Ben Simmons got to take a

1537
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: lot of the blame, at least sixty percent, because they

1538
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: gave you a one hundred and seven eighty million dollars

1539
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: to play basketball and you tell him you don't want

1540
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 1: to shoot, you don't want to lose in that. My

1541
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: thing is, you signed a contract, you got to play.

1542
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: Then management come in. Isn't that we won't We won't

1543
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: want twenty on a dollar and now he ain't want

1544
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: for maybe sixty percent on the dollar. So my thing

1545
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: is everybody dropped the ball docs the coach. I know

1546
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: he might not say you know what he's saying about

1547
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 1: a player, but they tell players and make sure if

1548
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna say something says something good. The same thing

1549
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: should go to coaches. It's just a tricky situation. I

1550
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 1: think that he definitely gonna have to be traded because

1551
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: the Phillip fans gonna kill him. They if he going

1552
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: back on the floor. He came out with starting the

1553
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: grade the same night because they're gonna kill him. Yeah,

1554
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: he can't. He can't go back to Philly. You can't

1555
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: go back the feeling. So they better go. They can

1556
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: get maybe sixty percent on the dollars. They need to

1557
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: go and find a trade in the next seven eight

1558
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: days and not they're gonna go down to thirty. They

1559
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 1: ain't even know they Hey, you might have let them

1560
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: walk because like, nobody's gonna give you too much for him.

1561
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 1: I think LA, like, well take him right now because

1562
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: la sooner, la, They're gonna have to rebuild because they

1563
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: what they have right now. It's they got issues. They're

1564
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: losing too many games and to too many bad teams.

1565
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,599
Speaker 1: And they got they got, you got three or four

1566
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers. But it ain't it ain't showing everybody

1567
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: on the court right, it's not meshing. Oh, we know

1568
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: you're a great cook. You Wance cooked for Oprah, But

1569
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, being from the South, you probably have some

1570
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 1: some possum, a raccoons, some squirrels, some rabbits. What what's

1571
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 1: the wildest thing you've cooked. Well, the one thing I

1572
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 1: cooked was alligator. I was on chop Okay, I had

1573
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: alligator alligat just like chicken. So you can you can

1574
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: you can see in the same waves and fly and

1575
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: the egg and you know, dipping in and fried. But uh,

1576
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: you know alligator. I mean it was good. I was surprised.

1577
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: But it's it's like chicken, but it's got a little

1578
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: it's a little game, a little little games. Yeah, yeah,

1579
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: you know game. So like uh yeah, like duck. So

1580
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: I know this about you. You love cooking. I mean

1581
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 1: you go over to people's house and you try to

1582
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: take over the kitchen. You just like, hold on you,

1583
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: you just got how you gonna take How are you

1584
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna take over with my kidchen? Where where did the

1585
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: love of cooking came from? Love from the cooking game?

1586
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: Like just being picky, going going to restaurants, don't like

1587
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: the food, and being picky you gotta know the food.

1588
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 1: So my thing is I just try to learn. Like

1589
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: when I was in Chicago, we used to play like

1590
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: Tonk and Spade. I make fried wings, scattered. I start there.

1591
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: Next time I'm making something else, I'm making some some

1592
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: baked some baked chicken and some broccoli rice. So I

1593
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: just built up from there and just next ain't get no,

1594
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: I just got everything down and until this day I'm

1595
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: pretty good in the kitchen. Oh are you thinking about

1596
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: opening up a restaurant or you just want to cook

1597
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: on the side, cook on it. I was part of

1598
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: the two different restaurants, but I think the album a

1599
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 1: restaurant up. I might have to be there every day

1600
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 1: because people are gonna come in just critique my food

1601
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: and they ain't good. They're gonna try to send it back.

1602
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: So I already know what they're gonna do. So I'm

1603
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna still await on that and just keep doing my

1604
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: little small things, my charity work, and just keep living.

1605
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: Oh you know you remember I called you at the

1606
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: It was a twenty sixteen I think when the Cavaliers

1607
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: came back from three one. I said, Oh, I said, okay,

1608
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: if if they come back, I'm gonna come to the parade.

1609
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: So showing up they come back, you call me, you

1610
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: come in to the rade, I said. I said, oh

1611
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: you for real. He's like, Hey, I already got the ticket.

1612
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 1: We're gonna go back. We're gonna go behind the scene. Hey,

1613
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: hop on the flag. I can't even picking bad point.

1614
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 1: We rolled down there. You send it right there? They

1615
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: come the broad and the rods converted and all the

1616
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: calves like, come on over, we had them all. It

1617
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: was good though maybe it was It was great because

1618
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: I remember being on skip so the first take and

1619
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: tell a skip I'm going to the parade now hadn't

1620
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: be started yet. I said, I'm going to the brag.

1621
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on the fire truck, YadA, YadA, YadA,

1622
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: and lo he came to for with you. Man. I

1623
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: had a great time. I had a great time. But

1624
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:15,839
Speaker 1: oh man, congratulations on the book, Last the Last Enforcer.

1625
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: Like I said, some of the stories I knew because

1626
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 1: having known you for almost thirty years, I knew some

1627
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: of the stories. But some of the stories, y'all gotta

1628
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: go get this book. You're gonna, you gonna, You're gonna

1629
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: laugh because you're gonna like this man is out of

1630
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: his mind. He's not out of his mind. He's very safe,

1631
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: but he's a no nonsense, no bs type of guy.

1632
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: The Last Enforcer outrageous stories from the life and times

1633
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: of one of the NBA's fusiness competitor, Charles open Oak Tree. Man,

1634
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time today, brou good to see you.

1635
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: Thank you man. I'm gonna be out that next week.

1636
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: So I'm doing something for a skin role for Super Bowl,

1637
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: so I'll get your hit, my god, no problem, bro, goodness,

1638
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: see you, thanks again. Love me man, all right, Love

1639
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: you too, brother. All my life, running all my life, Sacrifice,

1640
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,919
Speaker 1: Hustle Bay, the Price, Wanna Slice, got the broller diceness

1641
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: wid all my life. I've been running all my life,

1642
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: all my life, been running all my life. Sacrifice, Hustle Bay,

1643
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: the Price, and Wanna Slice got the rolling diceess ware

1644
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: all my life. I've been running all my life