1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Welcome in Wednesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: all of you hanging out with us. Oh my goodness, 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: maybe real panic in the Biden world, as the proverbial 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: crap may have hit. 5 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: The fan here. 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: And I do think this is a really big story 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: that has just happened this morning that we are going 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: to dive into and explain what exactly is going on here. 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: As if you. 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Don't already know, Joe Biden's doctor, his personal physician, his 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: White House chief health official for his own personal ability 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: and health was called before Congress. They're doing an investigation 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: into Joe Biden's mental and physical faculties and what now 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: is increasingly looking more and more like a cover up. 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: And this is a big deal, and I'm curious how 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: much attention it's going to get, but I think it 17 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: should get a massive amount of attention. And I want 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: to read from James Comer, who is heading up this committee, 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: and we have an invite out to Representative Comer to 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: come on the program and talk about this. This is 21 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: what he tweeted. President Joe Biden's physician, doctor Kevin O'Connor, 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: just pled the fifth at his deposition before Congress Today, 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: it's now clear there was a conspiracy to cover up 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: President Biden's cognitive decline after doctor Kevin O'Connor, Biden's physician 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: and family business associate, refused to answer any questions and 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: chose to hide behind the Fifth Amendment. The American people 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: demand transparency, but doctor O'Connor would rather conceal the truth. 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Doctor O'Connor took the fifth when asked if he was 29 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: told to lie about President Biden's health and whether he 30 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: was fit to be president of the United States. Congress 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: must assess legislative solutions to prevent such a cover up 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: from happening again. We will continue to interview more Biden 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: White House aids to get the answers Americans deserve. Okay, 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: let me tell you what stands out to me in 35 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: a very significant way here. And this is me if 36 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I were giving legal advice, you take the fifth when 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: you are afraid that it is going to be proven 38 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: that you have lied. You lie. I'm just saying this 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: is how it really works. You lie, which is what 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: I expected Biden's physician to do, when you think you 41 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: can get away with the lie, and there is no 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: one that is going to be able to hold you 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: accountable for it. Now, I'm not saying people are like, oh, 44 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: you should never lie. I understand, Okay. 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 3: In general, Clay is not just to be clear, okay, 46 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: as Consolieri, he's not supporting perjury. He's not telling anybody 47 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: to try to gain the system. He's just saying, strategically, 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 3: this is what people do. 49 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: This is how this works. If you think you can 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: get away with a lie in this situation, if they say, hey, 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: what did you think about Joe Biden, then you just say, hey, 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: you know he was one hundred percent healthy, and and 53 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: or if you actually believe it to be fair, because 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: you could just say, well, he was one hundred percent healthy, 55 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: there was never any issues at all, and I was 56 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: thoroughly confident that he could do the job. Here's what 57 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: I think is going on, Buck, I think one of 58 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: two things is about to happen, and it's going to 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: become a five alarm fire inside of the Biden health 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: cover up. One, there is somebody who's gonna flip, and 61 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: they may be working on this right now, and they 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: may have somebody inside of the Biden team that is 63 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: on the verge of flipping and just being the Canary 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: and singing like crazy about all of the conspiracy that 65 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: actually took place, what he or she saw, what actually 66 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: took place, what we all know was occurring. It may 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: be about to become public in a way that makes 68 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: people say, oh my goodness. Two, there may be documents 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: associated with Joe Biden's health that prove I know that 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: they had the cancer diagnosis, and we all discussed what 71 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: that might represent. But there may be documents health related 72 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that any 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: physician knew that Biden was not mentally and physically capable 74 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: to be president of the United States. 75 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: And so it could be both. 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: I think that this investigation is jostling a lot of people. 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: And I think his counsel said because previously, remember what 78 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: he said publicly is Joe Biden was hail and hardy. 79 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: He had the job to be He could be president 80 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: for another twenty years. You know all these lies that 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: we know are lies. That's what he said publicly. But 82 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: as soon as he has to raise that right hand, 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: why would he take the fifth He is afraid. Maybe 84 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: he's even negotiating to potentially be a witness in this 85 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: larger criminal inquiry. I think this is accelerating and this 86 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: is the signs of what's going on. 87 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 3: Let's take a step back here at what this really means, Clay. 88 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: The cleanup on ale Biden is possibly going to create 89 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: even more problems because remember, and this was the whole Tapper. 90 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: Book and the whole oh we didn't know, we didn't know. 91 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: And they're hoping that that now becomes the story. And 92 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 3: we've sat here the whole time saying the commander in chief, 93 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: the most powerful person in the world for four years, 94 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: obviously had dementia. They were hiding it, and they knew it. 95 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 3: And they have finally come out and said, you know what, 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: you were right guys. Now that they lost the election, 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 3: now that Kamala's political future is done, by the way, done, 98 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: and people just think Comma's gonna run no chance. Now 99 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 3: that that's all the case, they're willing to say we 100 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: missed this. No, they didn't miss it, and they were 101 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 3: hoping to create that narrative because you can move on 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: from that. I don't think you can move on. And 103 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: people are saying, why are you guys still talking about this? 104 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? It matters hugely, hugely if the 105 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 3: people running the government, the actual individuals who in some 106 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: cases maybe were even signing bills and doing things in 107 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 3: Biden's name without his knowledge, were conspiring and that's an 108 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: important word here, conspiring to hide that fact from the 109 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 3: American people. Let's keep in mind, Clay, some of the 110 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: charges that they were trying to bring against Trump with 111 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: regard to the twenty twenty election had to do with 112 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: deprivation of civil rights. Remember how creative they're going, because 113 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: if you were depriving people of a fair election, you 114 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: were depriving them of a Now, put aside whether you 115 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,119 Speaker 3: think that that's a little too much legal hocus pocus, 116 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: look at what it would mean if Biden's doctor and 117 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: people around. Now the doctor can say I had a 118 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 3: legal obligation and he does to keep it private, like 119 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: he couldn't go forward with that. 120 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: But I think the doctor knows that there are other. 121 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: People who knew, like maybe the top White House advisors 122 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: who knew, and they chose, they chose the conspiracy of silence. 123 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, this is where it gets interesting. You 124 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: can argue, hey, my patient's private health is not for 125 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: public discussion. He's entitled to that. His family might be 126 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: entitled to that. Here's the problem. A lot of people 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: had access to the reports that he was writing, and 128 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: I think what likely was occurring was top Biden officials. 129 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: This is why I read and have finished original sin. 130 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: There was a cadre the Pollit Bureau, as it were, 131 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: about five top advisors for Biden shielded him from everyone else. 132 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: And I think that group was sitting down with the 133 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: doctor and saying, here's what we're going to say publicly. 134 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: I think this was a conspiracy. I think it was criminal, 135 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: and I think they're starting to be fear that there 136 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: may be criminal charges brought against this. And here's what 137 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: I would say, and I've said this before on the program, 138 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: but I would echo it now because I think it's 139 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: even truer because I was stunned that he didn't just 140 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: try to lie his way through it candidly. This morning 141 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: when I woke up and I saw this news coming down, 142 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: I think there should be public primetime hearings about this 143 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: in the same way that they did jan six, because 144 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: there's a precedent on this in August when there's not 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: very much on television. Do these make ABC, nbccbs CNN, 146 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: MSNBC covered this as a part of their broadcast license 147 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: obligations and the precedent. They said on January sixth, bring 148 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: every one of these top advisors in front of Congress 149 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: and grill them under oath. 150 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 3: Now you could say, Clay, there are two I agree. 151 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's absolutely the move. There 152 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: are two ways to look at this or look at 153 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: why should happen. One is, and we'll start with it. 154 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: It's the ethical right thing to do. The American people 155 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: have a right to know and that if this was done, 156 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: we need this to be out there because we are 157 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: a republic and we are a political entity where the 158 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: knowledge of the population matters for the leadership. 159 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: In the future of it. 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 3: Okay, And now maybe that sounds a little too much 161 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: like I'm giving a you know, third grade civic speech 162 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: for some people. Okay, fine, Well I want to talk 163 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: about you know, Epstein, or I want to talk about 164 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: something else. Okay, Well, hold on a second. Remember what 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: happened to the midterms. To your point, they ran all 166 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: these hearings. Now, I know there were different reasons for it, 167 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: but defensive democracy was seen as a primary reason in 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: the key races that things just went against Republicans you know, 169 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: if you looked at the data defensive democracy, they say 170 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 3: it like that, Clay, I think going into the Trump 171 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,359 Speaker 3: midterms here, when there's a little bit of an expectation, 172 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: Oh no, they might take back the House and then 173 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: they'll stye me everything. Hold on a second, Let's let 174 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: all of the American people know that the Democrat Party 175 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: at the very top level that had been lecturing us 176 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: about our sacred democracy and our wonderful institutions that Trump. 177 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: Was trampling on. 178 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: Let's let them know that they were hiding a vegetable 179 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 3: president from the American public and in the White House 180 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: day in and day out, and they were making decisions, 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: and they were signing bills, and they were making decisions 182 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: about life and death, with operations abroad and covert actions 183 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: and pardons and all of this with a vegetable sputtering 184 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: around the White House. I think people should know the 185 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: full details. Politically, that could have a real impact if 186 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: you don't care about the ethics of it. Yeah, and 187 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: also I think the precedent that it sets in the 188 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: years ahead. I think if you shame these individuals who 189 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 3: covered up Joe Biden and potentially criminally charged them and 190 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: embarrassed them publicly. I think there may be in the 191 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: back of the mind of advisors going. 192 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: Forward, I don't work for this president. I work for 193 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: the American people, and that distinction sometimes can be difficult. 194 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: But everyone who covered up for Joe Biden wasn't working 195 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: for the American public. They were working for Joe Biden. 196 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: And worst of all, they were working for themselves. In 197 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: original Sin, there's a good line Buck. I hadn't heard 198 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: it before, and I'm paraphrasing it here, but one of 199 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: the quotes is, no one quits when it's the first 200 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: line of their obituary. No one quits a job that's 201 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the first line of their obituary. Because they just kept saying, 202 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: why were all these guys in gals surrounding Biden protecting him? 203 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: Because this was the apex of their career too. It 204 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: wasn't just that Joe Biden was president. It was that 205 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: they were chief of staff or chief of politics. Their 206 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: connection to his power was paramount, And no one quits. 207 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: Think about that line. It's a really good line. I 208 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: hadn't heard it before. No one quits the Joe. That's 209 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: the first line of their resume. And I may not 210 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: be synthesizing it perfectly. But that basically is the idea. 211 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we saw with Biden and 212 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: I again, no one takes me say this, No one 213 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: takes the fifth who isn't concerned about what's coming next. 214 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: You always take the fifth as a prelude to something 215 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: else that isn't public yet that you're afraid is coming 216 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: down the tracks after you. 217 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: Well, it's one of the funniest things. You could run this. 218 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: You could run this tape all day with these different Democrats. 219 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: Now we're going to. 220 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 3: Say, in this case Clay, pleading the fifth means nothing, 221 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: not an admission of guilts. When it's a Republican, when 222 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: it's Trump, anybody around Trump who wanted to plead the fifth, 223 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: of course, it's an admission of guilt. So there's no 224 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,239 Speaker 3: real principle that they apply. 225 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: To this at all. 226 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: I will also point this out. This is what we 227 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: talked about a lot with Trump. They're simultaneously the legal 228 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: and the political, and something can be very smart legally 229 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: and awful politically. And Trump, I thought, was a masterclass 230 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: on how to balance out the legal and political because 231 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: they tried to put him in prison and bankrupt him 232 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: and that was basically the undercurrent of his entire campaign 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, and he did a lot of 234 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: things that lawyers would say, I'd prefer you not. 235 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: Do that here. 236 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: This could be smart legally and devastating politically. Did we 237 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: talk on the air, because this is one of the 238 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: most interesting things you said to me off the air 239 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: about what's in the book that you've read, which, now, whatever, 240 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: Clay's going to give me his copy, So I'm not 241 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: going to give any money. Yes, next time you read 242 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: the original Sin book over July fourth on the beach, 243 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: I finished it. 244 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: Yes, so so he's gonna give me his copy. I'm 245 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 3: not going to give them any money. But Clay, did 246 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: we talk about how Biden felt about the prospect of 247 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: Trump going to prison on the show? 248 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 2: Yet? 249 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember if we did. I can't remember if 250 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: we said that on or off air. Conversations continue about Yeah, 251 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: got into that. 252 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's get into that in a moment, because 253 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 3: I also think that is really important for everyone to know, 254 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: especially given the now revelations about what looks more like 255 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: a conspiracy instead of the Democrats are just so dumb 256 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: they can't tell when someone has you know, brain problems. 257 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: We should dive into that a little bit. Yeah, no doubt. 258 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: And if you're worried about conspiracies after you're gone, maybe 259 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: you need to get a will, Maybe you need a trust. 260 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: We had an unexpected death in my family to last 261 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: year that we are still dealing with, and it can 262 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: be my stepfather in law died. It was awful, and 263 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: it's the first time I've had to deal with the 264 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: challenges of trying to grapple with wills, trust and everything else. 265 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: And I've got a legal background, and it's so complicated, 266 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: and I tried and have done my best already to 267 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: have my own will and trust. 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Visit Trust and Will dot com today. 292 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: Clay Travison, Buck Sexton mic drops that never sounded so good. 293 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 294 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: get your podcasts. 295 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back in here to Clay and Buck. 296 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: I just found this fascinating and I'm not trying to 297 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: help sell any copies of this book. Like I said, 298 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 3: go to your local library you know, borrow their copy 299 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 3: and pass it around to friends of what's it called 300 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 3: Original Sin. But Clay, I thought this was because I've 301 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: been on this crusade for a long time that everyone 302 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: needs to know the notion of old man Biden as 303 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: like a cuddly figure a grandpa, as a good guy. 304 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: Maybe a disagree with them politically, he is a good guy. 305 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: There's plenty of reason that I have been saying, talking 306 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: about how he lied about how you know, the guy 307 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: responsible for his wife's death was drunk, stuff like that. 308 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 3: Biden's jerk, not a good guy. Trump is actually fundamentally 309 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: a good guy. Biden is not tell everybody about what 310 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: Biden in the book thought about Trump going to prison. 311 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: He was bragging about the fact, according to Original Sin, 312 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: that he wanted Trump to go to prison and that 313 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: they believed that all of the charges were going to 314 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: completely destroy Trump's ability to be able to run in 315 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four as a viable candidate. I mean just bragging, laughing, 316 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: joking about it privately. And what emerges is and again, 317 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: I think the number of conspiracies that are true inside 318 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: of the White House, the health cover up of Biden. 319 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: But I mean We've said this for a long time. 320 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: The idea that all of these charges that were brought 321 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: in Georgia, Florida, DC, and New York were not being 322 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: organized by the Biden White House is a complete lie. 323 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: They had their fingerprints over all of this. They were 324 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: manipulating at all. 325 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: Vegetable Biden was trying to lock Trump up for the 326 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 3: rest of his life. He was actually trying to do it. 327 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't just a political maneuver. Everybody that's big. 328 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: It's totally The evidence that comes out of that book, 329 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: and some of the stuff that wasn't reported is some 330 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: of the most interesting. 331 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, cell phone service doesn't have to 332 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: cost more than one hundred bucks a month until I 333 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: know your options, though some people think that's about what 334 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: it should cost. Switch to pure Talk. That's my cell 335 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 3: phone company, and I was using it. I was abroad. 336 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: I had pure Talk covering me overseas. 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I think 357 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: we hinted at it yesterday, but I don't know that 358 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: we actually dove into it, which was that someone got 359 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's cell phone number in March who is writing 360 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: a report on I think they've got a book coming 361 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: out about the twenty twenty four election, and they called Biden, 362 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: and Biden's aides panicked that he now had a cell phone. 363 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: He fumbled around in answer. The guy who was calling 364 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: the reporter. This is according to Axios, got just absolutely 365 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: reprimanded by everyone surrounding Biden. He left a voicemail. Within 366 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: two days they had completely shut down the cell phone. 367 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: And so this is and just so you guys know, 368 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of you do know. Trump 369 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: had a personal cell phone and will answer and talk 370 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: to media all the time and governors. I've witnessed him 371 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: during when I interviewed him on Air Force one, he 372 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: paused the interview to pick up his phone and answer it. Buck, 373 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: You and I have seen him just pause conversations, pick 374 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: up his phone and answer. It's a governor, it's a 375 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: political figure, it's a reporter. But think about the cover 376 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: ups still going on of Biden that his aids, even 377 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: now when he's not in the White House, are petrified 378 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: when he answers the phone about what he might be 379 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: saying to a reporter. And again, I think it speaks 380 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: to not what's directly in front of us. But I 381 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: think they're afraid of charges coming for the cover up 382 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: surrounding Biden. I think they're aware that there is going 383 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: to be somebody's gonna flip. There is somebody who is 384 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: going to come forward and tell the truth. 385 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 3: I have two things One about the charges which I'll 386 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: pose to you, in a second. But but before that, 387 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: I also think Clay, that there's a damage control mode 388 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: for these to your point about the first line of 389 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: the resume or the way that your curriculum VITE reads 390 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 3: after or CV after you've you've left one of these jobs. 391 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: They all think the point of being the deputy something 392 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 3: or other in a white House for most people is 393 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 3: to become the actual top guy or the or to 394 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: get the next job up on the ladder. I mean 395 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 3: a lot of people who not for everybody in the 396 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: Trump administration, I don't think that's the case. I think 397 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 3: there are a lot of people who have come in 398 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 3: and are doing this because they want to do this 399 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: and they want to serve. They're not Oh, if I'm 400 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 3: like deputy CIA director, next year I get to be 401 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: you know, the act or next time around, I get 402 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: the actual director. 403 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 5: Right. 404 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: I'm saying this just because I think that there's concern 405 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 3: that anybody in the Biden orbit in any meaningful way 406 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 3: is done. You know, they're politically toxic going forward, and 407 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: that may not seem like a big thing to a 408 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of us sitting around, except this 409 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: is their lot, this is what they do. This is 410 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 3: how they've they've devoted their professional lives to this, and 411 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 3: proximity to power is everything. That's actually one of the 412 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: only secretly I really do like DC as a city. 413 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: I know, I get yelled at for this all that, 414 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 3: can I say you like it? DC's great a lot. Yeah, yeah, 415 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 3: we both like DC. And I know that you're groaning. 416 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: I can hear. I can feel your groans all across America. 417 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: But it's actually got a lot of good things going 418 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 3: for it. The part of it other than the fact 419 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 3: that it's ninety six percent Democrat, so it's obviously run 420 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 3: like an insane asylum. But the other thing about it 421 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 3: just culturally is everything's about proximity to power. There if 422 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 3: you're paying attention to that, you know, or if you're 423 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 3: picking up on it, and it just gets tiresome and 424 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 3: it's gross. 425 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: But that's the truth. 426 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: These people in Biden's orbit are never going to be 427 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 3: in the proximity of power again if it comes out 428 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 3: that they were part of the you know, picking up 429 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: the apple sauce off the ground that Biden was dribbling 430 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 3: out the. 431 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: Corner of his mouth. Okay. 432 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 3: The other thing though, is I was gonna ask you 433 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: this charges I see where you're going, and that's why 434 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: I use that word conspiracy. But what are you think 435 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: it's lying under oath to Congress? I mean, do those 436 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 3: things get very political question very quickly? 437 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 438 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: Well that's why I think, first of all, we should 439 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: have primetime hearings, because I think what you would see 440 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: is a lot of these guys and gals hauled in 441 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: front of Congress with a primetime audience watching. Would take 442 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment, And let me just say this again, 443 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: there's two corridors here that you have to analyze. One 444 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: is legal and the other is political. It is the case, 445 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: in my opinion, that it is very, very exceedingly rare 446 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: that someone takes the Fifth Amendment and has never done 447 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: a single thing wrong. I would sit down right now, 448 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: under deposition, under oath and answer every question completely honestly, 449 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: because I don't think I've ever committed a crime, and 450 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about perjuring myself. If you take the 451 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment, your lawyers are telling you, hey, you may 452 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: well have done something wrong, and if you answer this 453 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: question inappropriately, you may open yourself up to a perjury charge. 454 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: So it can be legally sound advice I've given clients advice. Hey, 455 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't answer that question. I would take the Fifth Amendment. 456 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: I would avoid trying to answer that question if I 457 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: were you. From a legal perspective, it can be legally 458 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: sound advice to take the Fifth Amendment and simultaneously politically devastating. 459 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: So I think if all of these people get called 460 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: in front of Congress and they all raise their right 461 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: hand and say, under adviceive counsel, I'm invoking my Fifth Amendment, right, 462 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: I think you put that together to your point buck 463 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: in a midterm and you say, hey, these are the 464 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: people that want to be back in positions of power, 465 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: and you just string together a series of highly influential 466 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: individuals taking the Fifth Amendment that is politically devastating. I 467 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: also think some of these people may be cocky enough 468 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: to believe that they can work their way through the 469 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: testimony without lying, and then they're opening themselves up to 470 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: significant charges. I also think the pressure that is being 471 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: brought to bear, what do we say, pressure either burst 472 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: pipes or it creates diamonds. It's one of my favorite 473 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: coaching line. You ever ever heard that before? 474 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 3: That sounds like something an SEC football coach might have 475 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: said coaches. 476 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: One of my favorite coach lines is pressure either burst 477 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: pipes or it makes diamonds. Right, So which are you 478 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: going to be? I think there's gonna be a lot 479 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: of burst pipes inside the Biden team. And I think 480 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: that there are Here's where I think the charges could work, Buck. 481 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: I think there are documents, maybe they're medical, maybe they 482 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: are these signed the auto pen which could be a 483 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: significant aspect here, the guys not even signing his own pardons, 484 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: all these different things where people were aware that Biden 485 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: didn't have the mental and physical cognition to exercise the office, 486 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: and so they started doing it themselves, and some people 487 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: witnessed it. And I think, if you ratchet the pressure 488 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: up enough, you're going to get people who are turning 489 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: on each other like rats off a ship and seeing 490 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: who can get to the life vote first. 491 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: I'm just seeing And this is what I was thinking 492 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: about a moment ago in our last segment, Clay, the 493 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: way that a constant theme in the Trump era has 494 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: been the Democrats accusing Trump and his supporters of doing 495 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: what they themselves do, especially when it comes to legal infractions. Right, 496 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: that this just happens over and over again, and one 497 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: thing that I could see is they've expanded and they've 498 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: put in the public lexicon. They've made people think about 499 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: collusion and conspiracy to deprive or defraud the American people 500 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: of an election, and by doing so, they've opened the 501 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 3: door to, well, what does it mean if you are 502 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: signing bills as the president and you're not the president? 503 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: That sounds like conspiracy to defraud the American people of 504 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: the executive branch of their government, which is a big. 505 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 2: Deal, and also sounds like it breaks the law to me. 506 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: So this is why, again, this is not just about 507 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 3: there's the ethics of this, there's the politics of this, 508 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 3: and then there's also the legality of this, which could 509 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: become very interesting. 510 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: And remember a lot of times people don't get caught 511 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: on the initial misbehavior, it's the cover up. Nixon ended 512 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: up having to resign the presidency to a large extent, 513 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: not because of what he necessarily did associated with Watergate, 514 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: but because of the ham handed response that he provided 515 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: as the Watergate investigation continued, And of course you get 516 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: the very famous when did he know? And what did 517 00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: he know? 518 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: And when did he know it? 519 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: Which was a I believe Howard Baker question that was 520 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: provided by his then counsel, Fred Thompson. Thompson ended up 521 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: being a Senator and Howard Baker was a Senator from Tennessee. 522 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: I think I got that right historically, but I think again, 523 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: if you ratchet up the pressure primetime hearings using the 524 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: precedent of January sixth, to your point, we poo pooed 525 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: and ridiculed the idea of the jan six hearings, I 526 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: think it kept Democrats from getting completely snowed under in 527 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. 528 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't search twenty twenty two. They weren't. 529 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: They weren't doing it for you, for me, for everybody 530 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 3: who's with us here. They were doing it for that 531 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: one or two percent of the swing electorate in those states, 532 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: and they pulled it off, unfortunately. 533 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: And abortion, the Roe v. Wade decision being overturned, I 534 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: think in May of twenty two certainly factored into and 535 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: it's already I mean, if you asked me for a 536 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: big prediction going forward, it's that abortion is not a 537 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: major national political issue and that Democrats are slowly coming 538 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: to grips with that. Because if if you care desperately 539 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: about abortion, go get active in your state because not 540 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: a federal issue anymore. I think this is one that 541 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court got right, that a lot of the 542 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: toxicity surrounding the abortion debate was based on the fact 543 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: that nine Supreme Court justices decided what the law of 544 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: the land was there and now we got fifty state 545 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: legislatures and whatever you want to advocate for in your 546 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: respective state, go do it. That's the benefit of the 547 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: political process. And so I do think in twenty twenty six, 548 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: if you want Trump to maintain control of the House 549 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: of Representatives, otherwise they're going to impeach Trump. Nothing's getting passed. 550 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: It's why the first eighteen months of the Trump presidency 551 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: is so important, because while you have both controls of 552 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: the Senate and the House, you have to be superactive. 553 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you can hold on to the House if you 554 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: persuade enough people. Man, these liars shouldn't be rewarded for 555 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: the lies that they told, and I think that could 556 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: be a potentially resonant story that moves voters in twenty 557 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: twenty six. 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And so line them up now, because we 620 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 3: got kind of a quick turn here. I do want 621 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: to talk about this story, clik, because I think this 622 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 3: is gonna get Unfortunately, I think this is gonna get worse. 623 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna see. 624 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: More of this where you have radical leftists who are 625 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 3: acting on at least in part, the pronouncements of prominent 626 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: Democrats that like, no, no real law enforcement officer would 627 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 3: cover his face. Radical leftists are attacking and trying to kill. Yeah, 628 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 3: attacking to kill. I'm not just talking about throwing bottles 629 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: of urine and you know that's just a Tuesday for 630 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: the radical left. Is assaulting law enforcement. I mean trying 631 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 3: to assassinate law enforcement. This actually happened a couple of 632 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: days ago, and I want to get into some of 633 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: the specifics of that story. There's actually two incidents, major 634 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: incidents of this, and as these enforcement operations from ICE 635 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 3: are growing and gathering, I think you're going to see. Unfortunately, 636 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: this is a lot of where the radical left is 637 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: going to consolidate their crazy and their violence. This is 638 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: going to be their thing because they're telling themselves that 639 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: ICE are members of the Gestapo, and that that and 640 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 3: people like Mayor Karen Bass give a lot of oxygen 641 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 3: to this madness by acting like these law enforcement officers 642 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: can't anyway, I'm getting ahead of where we're gonna go 643 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: here in a second. I do want to get into that. 644 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: All right, here we go podcast listener, John, this is 645 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: h H play it. Let's let's let's deal with this one, Claike, 646 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: play it. 647 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 6: Team. Hey, Clay, we have h longtime listener just heard 648 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 6: your opening segment. I gotta tell you none of this 649 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 6: matters anymore. 650 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 2: The midterms are cooked. 651 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 6: Republicans are going to lose a lot more than the 652 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 6: House if this Ebstein stuff doesn't get cleared up. Unless 653 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 6: there's trans true transparency about Epstein, everything else is just 654 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 6: a you know what show? 655 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Well, you know it's funny because some of 656 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 3: the audience that's want to be clear, Clay, we're getting 657 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 3: heat from both sides there. You talk about the Epstein 658 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 3: cover up thing too much and then you don't talk 659 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 3: about it enough. So I don't know how we're supposed 660 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: to make Look. I think the age, you know, I 661 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: think the age here on the PR side of things 662 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 3: has made some missteps. Clay and I are of one 663 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: mind on uh Director bong Director Patel and deputy director 664 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 3: Bongino are patriots who are doing what they can with 665 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 3: what they have, and there will be more transparency on 666 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: a whole range of issues, and I think, including this one. 667 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,439 Speaker 3: If needs be or if there's more information that needs 668 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 3: to come out, I would ask for patients, and I 669 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: would say, don't despair everybody. Okay, Trump is kicking ass. 670 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 3: The country's doing very well. I know this has been 671 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 3: a big frustration this week. I feel that frustration. Clay 672 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: feels that frustration. But there's it's not a time for despair. 673 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: There's more. 674 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: Look, I reiterate Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, think about 675 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: this as we go to break If they could serve 676 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: up someone's head on a platter with the Epstein evidence 677 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: that the FBI has, do you think they would not 678 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: do it? They would love to be able to do that. 679 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: The evidence is not there. Pam Bondy came out. I 680 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: think Pam Bondy has not spoken adroitly in the way 681 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: that she's addressed this, and I think she's confused a 682 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: lot of people, honestly. But she said yesterday, maybe we 683 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: need to play the audio. All of the evidence they 684 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: have is just child porn that Epstein downloaded. This is 685 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: important of other people, not him, Like it's just stuff 686 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: on the internet. 687 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: And there's a difference between The information they have to 688 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 3: work with now doesn't support charges against other people, and 689 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 3: there never was that information. 690 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: A lot of it may have been destroyed.