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Speaker 1: All right, and welcome into the Betting Prows Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Seth Wilcock, and today we are talking NBA

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Speaker 1: Summer League and to do that, I am joined by

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Speaker 1: one of our betting experts here at BP, also a

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Speaker 1: sports gambling writer for Newsweek and the Internet's favorite Philly

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Speaker 1: sports fan, Matt MODEI Matt Howie doing today?

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Speaker 2: Man. I don't know if the Internet has any favorites

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Speaker 2: Philly sports fan, but I'll take that and I appreciate

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Speaker 2: the introduction. Yeah, I'm doing well. I'm doing well. How

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Man. It's a pretty crazy time in

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Speaker 1: the NBA calendar. Yes, we just had the Finals closed

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Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago, but NBA free agency is rolling

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Speaker 1: on and now Summer League here on the table for

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Speaker 1: us as well today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and the draft was a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's there's the NBA offseason. It's more exciting than the

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Speaker 1: A lot of people think, I wake up, I get

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Speaker 1: a WOJ bomb that Klay Thompson is now a Dallas Maverick.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's always a crazy time of year and fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fun to keep up with it though. And today on

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Speaker 1: the program, we are going to do an overview of

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Speaker 1: summer League, or we talk about some players to watch,

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Speaker 1: and then do a betting preview at the end of

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Speaker 1: the program as well. And let's jump right into the

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Speaker 1: Summer League overview. The NBA Summer League gets underway with

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Speaker 1: warm up exhibitions, the California Classic that's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: Sacramento and San fran July sixth through the tenth, and

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Speaker 1: the tenth, and then the NBA two K twenty five

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Speaker 1: Summer League. This is the Las Vegas one, the one

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Speaker 1: that really everyone cares about. That will be July twelveth

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Speaker 1: through the twenty second, seventy six games between all thirty teams.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to Summer League. I hear though, Matt,

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Speaker 1: me pounding eight dollars beers up and down the Vegas trip.

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Speaker 1: What can we expect on the court for the NBA

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have yet to make it out to Vegas

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Speaker 2: but the unfortunate reality with Summer League is that you

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Speaker 2: be just a chore. It's like watching a couple of

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Speaker 2: It's like these teams are like haphazardly, randomly cobbled together.

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Speaker 2: Rarely do they try to build an actual basketball team

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Speaker 2: And if they do, if it's like a second year player,

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Speaker 2: I think the most important thing teams are just missing

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Speaker 2: We're gonna run this play. Not a lot of teams

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And speaking of those players that we're gonna see,

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Speaker 1: what type of players are you expecting to show up here?

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Speaker 1: also come back and play in summer league. Which players

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Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, so it's a mixture of basically everything you said.

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Speaker 2: So for me, I try to find I mean, individual

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Speaker 2: It just makes things a lot more just a lot

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Speaker 1: Down the format for us a little bit too, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if it's not official Summer League that starts

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Speaker 2: Summer League starts on July twelfth, it runs to July

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Speaker 2: Like it's head to head, then it's the most points

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Speaker 2: And then so the remaining teams, there was a four

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Speaker 1: Matt's top players to watch. We had our NBA Draft

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Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean the top five who I've already

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Speaker 2: But he's really just not ready yet to play. Summer

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