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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, October twenty seventh, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number forty eight. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, I got my full crew here, Nick Amber
Speaker 1: and Dave Nick forty eight most quick? All right, good,
Speaker 1: we know Moose forty eight. Joe to all time. Joe,
Speaker 1: T stop. It's my forty eight. Yeah, I was doing.
Speaker 1: There's a right answer, and then there's my answer. And
Speaker 1: then Dave has an answer too, because he kind of
Speaker 1: has all the answers. Should be Moose for forty eight. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that, no doubt perfect. All right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna jump right in. We got a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: Coach McCarthy just had his press conference, and uh, I
Speaker 1: know he Amber walked by my office and we both
Speaker 1: looked at each other like, Wow, that was that was
Speaker 1: interesting all to talk about Lyle Collins. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that in just a second. I want to start first
Speaker 1: with Dak Prescott. One thing that he said was that
Speaker 1: he's improved every day, which is a good thing. But
Speaker 1: he did say a few other things that were a
Speaker 1: little curious. Let's start first with Let's start first with
Speaker 1: how much is he expected to do today? How are
Speaker 1: they going to kind of work him today getting ready
Speaker 1: for this game. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna do
Speaker 1: some work. I mean individual, he's gonna be He's gonna
Speaker 1: just kind of bounce around. It sounds like and and
Speaker 1: and you know, throw some into their fun fundamental period,
Speaker 1: combo period. I don't really know what all those names are.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he's gonna be doing a
Speaker 1: lot of team I think Cooper Rush is going to
Speaker 1: be doing some of that. He you know, it's Wednesdy,
Speaker 1: he'll get he'll he'll kind of ramp himself up to that.
Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like it'll happen now. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'll it'll probably be a game time decision. That's what
Speaker 1: sounds right, Yeah, I think it's exactly where we thought
Speaker 1: it would be. To be honest with you, he's gonna
Speaker 1: start practice. They they do forty minutes of practice before
Speaker 1: they even do anything resembling team period, so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of it. I mean, quarterbacks have their own thing,
Speaker 1: quarterback school, where they work on drops and rolls, outs
Speaker 1: and all that and in center exchange before they ever
Speaker 1: even joined the rest of the team. So I mean
Speaker 1: that's almost an hour of practice that they'll that he'll
Speaker 1: take part in individual drills, pat and go all that
Speaker 1: type of stuff, and then and then McCarthy said, they'll
Speaker 1: evaluate how he feels when that's over, and that'll probably
Speaker 1: determine how much of team he does, if any. It's
Speaker 1: the first practice of the week. They'll do it again
Speaker 1: tomorrow and I'm game time. I feel like by Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: you have an idea of what you're gonna do with him,
Speaker 1: and McCarthy's McCarthy said, you know, he's preparing as if
Speaker 1: he'll be able to play. They haven't made that decision yet.
Speaker 1: I just feel like by the time everybody wakes up
Speaker 1: on Sunday morning, they'll know here's the plot that's not
Speaker 1: what a game time decision is. Though, I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they know now. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you're you're right. You'll wake up Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: but I mean I think it'll be I think we'll
Speaker 1: kind of know everything what's going on until like an
Speaker 1: hour and a half before kickoff. I feel like the
Speaker 1: comparison he made was supposed to give you some kind
Speaker 1: of peace, and I think, oh, things are good, But
Speaker 1: then to me, not really it didn't. Not that I'm
Speaker 1: like super concerned, but you talk about Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: then talk about playoffs and being that far down at
Speaker 1: that point you only have a few games into play
Speaker 1: like you give it all. But we're still kind of
Speaker 1: midway through the season, and I know they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: make the right decision, you know, whether that's they think
Speaker 1: they he can go ahead and play or maybe sit
Speaker 1: one out to give it some rest. But it's so difficult.
Speaker 1: He said three words that he just threw in the
Speaker 1: end of a sentence, go for it. Where are you going?
Speaker 1: It's week seven? Okay, yeah, and there were some other words.
Speaker 1: He just said it's week seven, it's actually a week eight,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, but but there are also some other
Speaker 1: words in there that to me gave me reason to
Speaker 1: have pause. Like one thing he said was he said,
Speaker 1: until he clears the threshold, and he said that multiple times.
Speaker 1: We're not ready. And then he talked about how we
Speaker 1: don't want this to turn into a week to week
Speaker 1: type thing. That was another thing he said. And then
Speaker 1: this is the part that he said this multiple times
Speaker 1: as well, he said until he's full go with no limitations.
Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, well, back up, I thought I always
Speaker 1: assumed if he's what you said yesterday, dave eighty percent,
Speaker 1: if he's eighty five percent, and then he's still better
Speaker 1: than that. Whatever else you're gonna throw out there, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna give it a go. This is the first
Speaker 1: time I've heard them talk about it from the standpoint
Speaker 1: of no, we really want to get him to point
Speaker 1: where he's full goal with no limitations. And again he
Speaker 1: said that multiple times. That gave me reason for pause.
Speaker 1: You guys got the same reaction to that. No, not
Speaker 1: really could be gamesmanship. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that could be a party. I don't one hundred
Speaker 1: percent believe anything that he says, and that's not specific
Speaker 1: to Mike McCarthy. It's the gamesmanship of the league. It's
Speaker 1: not wanting to give too much away. We'll get into
Speaker 1: lyel and how less than happy lot to talk about that.
Speaker 1: He seemed less than happy about the amount of detail
Speaker 1: that people were getting into there. So no, I mean
Speaker 1: and uh not that not that like I mean, I
Speaker 1: know they want him to be fully healthy with no limitations,
Speaker 1: but again like every player and nobody is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent with no limitations whatsoever. It doesn't register with me,
Speaker 1: especially again, like I feel like we do this all
Speaker 1: the time, Like on win, I don't I don't care
Speaker 1: what anybody says or does on Wednesday. It's Thursday, Friday,
Speaker 1: Saturday where I where my radar starts to go up.
Speaker 1: It sucks that we always have to analyze word by
Speaker 1: word and like try to figure things out, even though
Speaker 1: you know that's how you have to be as a coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was a coach, I would be
Speaker 1: the same exact way, if worse. But uh, it just
Speaker 1: sucks out. We're always trying to read into like between
Speaker 1: the lines and everything. But it was curious, like us
Speaker 1: how many times he said certain things and honestly that
Speaker 1: that is the NFL, like they spend the whole week
Speaker 1: with all these storylines, and as Dax said, given the
Speaker 1: media and fans something to talk about, you keep the
Speaker 1: soap opera going and then you get to Sunday and
Speaker 1: you get to see how it plays out. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the part of this is is is us obviously talking
Speaker 1: about it and making something of it. But I do
Speaker 1: think it was interesting. Those were the words he chose,
Speaker 1: and he chose to say them multiple times, and so
Speaker 1: I think it is something that's that's relevant to this conversation.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Um, let's go to Lyle Collins.
Speaker 1: There were nick you sent last night. You sent us
Speaker 1: the unofficial depth chart just as a kind of like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is interesting, and it showed Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: not only as the start as not the starter at
Speaker 1: right tackle. It showed him as the backup there, but
Speaker 1: it also showed him as the backup at left guard. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: let's start first with what's the most likely reason that
Speaker 1: you think they put this on the unofficial depth chart?
Speaker 1: Because obviously somebody made the decision to put this out there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because he kind of coach McCarthy.
Speaker 1: He looked over at Rich and kind of was like,
Speaker 1: you know, gave him a look that that didn't inspire
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. But it was my point from
Speaker 1: a minute ago. Yeah, So I don't know if he
Speaker 1: was trying to escape go to him, or if he
Speaker 1: was just messing with him, who knows, but probably letting
Speaker 1: him know that that's what the depth chart looked like. Wow, No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's probably yes, he didn't do the depth chart. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's probably letting him know that that's that's what the
Speaker 1: chart where guys maybe put this out that what well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying no, I mean, yeah, they put it
Speaker 1: out that that's what then, and that's right. I mean
Speaker 1: that they did it. That's what they're doing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't I don't think it goes
Speaker 1: to that level. I don't know. Could be Rich Rich
Speaker 1: doesn't make the depth chart, right, that's right, and so
Speaker 1: he's just kind of messing with him a little bit.
Speaker 1: But it was fun. It was fun for all of
Speaker 1: us same way. But but go ahead, Nick, they're moving
Speaker 1: him to left a card. I mean, that's what that's
Speaker 1: what it looks like. They don't like what's what's happening
Speaker 1: with Connor Williams with those holding pilmoedies And it sounds
Speaker 1: like Terrence Steele's playing so well that they need to
Speaker 1: figure out and move in the left guard. It's it's
Speaker 1: what fans, it's it's it's what the fans have been
Speaker 1: saying forever, and usually that doesn't happen. But that's what
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's happening. I thought that was fantasy
Speaker 1: football nonsense. That's what I got told. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I was never gonna let that go over. I just
Speaker 1: I'm surprised, And yeah, I gotta give a lot of
Speaker 1: fans a lot of credit for suggesting this. I didn't
Speaker 1: think it would happen, and it does. It may I mean,
Speaker 1: it makes me ask so many questions because I think
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins is a purely better player than Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: right now. Um, But I also like, is Connor Williams
Speaker 1: that big of a problem? Is this um indicative of
Speaker 1: some sort of consternation about Lyle that they're like, I mean, which,
Speaker 1: on one hand, I kind of appreciate that they're like,
Speaker 1: at the very least, you gotta earn right tackle back.
Speaker 1: We're not just going to hand it to you. And
Speaker 1: maybe that is quote unquote punishment, or maybe that's just
Speaker 1: more of about how good Terrence Steel has been. On
Speaker 1: top of that, if you're going to take a guy
Speaker 1: that makes fifty million dollars out of the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: it makes me ask questions about the future. Okay, so
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, And that was where I
Speaker 1: was going to go. I want to know from you guys,
Speaker 1: each of you guys, which you think is the most
Speaker 1: likely reason, because we don't know that there's going to
Speaker 1: be a move yet, the most likely reason that it
Speaker 1: is official, it's on the unofficial depth chart in the
Speaker 1: way that it is both at tackle and at guard,
Speaker 1: one that still is considered to be a better option
Speaker 1: at this time. That can be about continuity. That can
Speaker 1: be about how Steel is playing. Two, that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are sending a message Slyle that maybe they weren't happy
Speaker 1: with all of this stuff that's transpired that led to
Speaker 1: the five weeks suspension, and how maybe he handled that situation. Three,
Speaker 1: They just temporary, This is just temporary, temporary. Well, they
Speaker 1: gauge his readiness, they've talked about that and seeing where
Speaker 1: he is right now, and is in coming back or
Speaker 1: four that you think this is much more or about
Speaker 1: getting the best five guys on the field, and they're thinking,
Speaker 1: let's prepare him to maybe become the next guard, the
Speaker 1: starting left guard, and keep your best five on the field.
Speaker 1: Still a tackle which you think is behind this more?
Speaker 1: You want to five? Okay, give me five. I think
Speaker 1: it's a whole of the above. I think every one
Speaker 1: of those situations take the cop out. I think no
Speaker 1: one has to be more than the other. Right. I
Speaker 1: don't know the percentages on all that, but I think
Speaker 1: you're right about every single one of those. Okay, every
Speaker 1: every one of those seems seems to be one which
Speaker 1: one about sending a message. Yeah, I think that one.
Speaker 1: You don't think no because I mean you no, because
Speaker 1: on the field you forget the message talk outside the field,
Speaker 1: but game day, if you know, if he's really your
Speaker 1: best guy or whatever, regardless of what he did outside
Speaker 1: the field. But you don't think you don't think coaches
Speaker 1: sometimes make make things clear to their teams by what
Speaker 1: they do. And what I mean by that is they're
Speaker 1: telling not only lie but everybody else on the team.
Speaker 1: If you're not going to be reliable if you're not
Speaker 1: going to do the things that you need to do
Speaker 1: as a member of this team and as a member
Speaker 1: of the NFL player in the NFL, then your job
Speaker 1: is not securious. But it depends how how much it
Speaker 1: hurts you on game day. Like if if solid has
Speaker 1: it hurt it's also not game day. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is okay, I'm just saying, okay, I'm just saying. The
Speaker 1: point is, if you're fully solid at the old line
Speaker 1: at every single position, then whatever, you know, but you're
Speaker 1: not so at the end of the day, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's about sending a message. You can portray that
Speaker 1: off the field and whatever. At this point, I think it's,
Speaker 1: you know, he needs to get ready. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's fully ready to go out there, although I do
Speaker 1: think he's a great player and he can do the job.
Speaker 1: He's shown it in the past. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: tern still has done a phenomenal job. And then you
Speaker 1: got Connor William who unfortunately is one of the weak links.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are other areas too, like the center,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about that, but Connor, he's a veteran guy.
Speaker 1: He should not be making the mistakes he's been making
Speaker 1: and this is his contract here, right so he should
Speaker 1: be stepping it up. But I don't know. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love what's happening
Speaker 1: right now, and I love the PI a little bit.
Speaker 1: But the point is, I just love the fact that
Speaker 1: this coaching staff is willing to make things decisions like
Speaker 1: that and put things out there like that, completely opposite
Speaker 1: to what we've been used to in the past with
Speaker 1: like Jason Garrett, which so I have a few thoughts there.
Speaker 1: I absolutely think it's at least it's not purely about
Speaker 1: sending a message, but it's part of it. And it
Speaker 1: goes back to McCarthy. Adamantly tried to keep from moving
Speaker 1: Zach or talking about Zach to tackle. There's a variety
Speaker 1: of reasons for that, but Zach is arguably the most
Speaker 1: reliable member of this entire offense, right, you and you
Speaker 1: reward that. Lyle Collins not only hasn't been available, but
Speaker 1: let's just be honest, he has embarrassed the organization a
Speaker 1: little bit this last month or so. The comments that
Speaker 1: come out there from the testimony. I'm sure Prescott didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate some of that being brought to light. So I
Speaker 1: do think there's a little bit of that to this
Speaker 1: of like we're not just gonna plug you back in
Speaker 1: May if Terrence Steele was playing terribly, they might, but
Speaker 1: they're like, we hate to say we don't need you,
Speaker 1: but it's like like you lost your job and it's
Speaker 1: your own fault that you lost your job, and we're
Speaker 1: not just going to hand it back to you. I
Speaker 1: think if Lyle had the dependability of Zach Martin, maybe
Speaker 1: we're not having this conversation. I don't I don't know that,
Speaker 1: but it seems plausible to me. Yeah, probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been suspended if he did. Yeah, well that's the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it all it's a domino effect. Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: is playing better, and he's playing I mean, he's playing
Speaker 1: really well. I don't know, I'm not saying better. Your
Speaker 1: point this morning on the radio, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good point that a lot of people want
Speaker 1: to say he's playing well on a curve. He actually
Speaker 1: playing well. Put him on a curve. Well, yeah, it's expectations.
Speaker 1: I mean that that was the Chargers game. After that,
Speaker 1: he's just continuing to do it. And and then now
Speaker 1: it didn't help Connor Williams is timing that he played
Speaker 1: the way he did in New England and just had
Speaker 1: those penalties, and then the fact that Lyle's done it
Speaker 1: in the past and he's played there, and it's about
Speaker 1: getting five best linemen? I will I think. I I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong, Connor did not have a
Speaker 1: good game in New England, but it feels knee jerk
Speaker 1: to me. I think he's been pretty good this season.
Speaker 1: I think he had a horrible game against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I don't like. I don't think he's been this problem
Speaker 1: with the offensive line throughout the entire first six weeks
Speaker 1: of the season. And that is that's what makes me
Speaker 1: one like, is it purely about quote unquote best five?
Speaker 1: Is a guy that hasn't played guards since September of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen better than a guy who's only missed three
Speaker 1: games at that position the last three years? Is that true? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll tell you. If he can push
Speaker 1: people back, yeah, if if this adds them some beef
Speaker 1: in the running game, then yeah, I think so. And
Speaker 1: you know what, who's to say that it's only two moves?
Speaker 1: I mean, what if they're not done shuffling. What if
Speaker 1: they're gonna try this Connor Williams at center again. Honestly,
Speaker 1: as I was listening to that press conference this morning,
Speaker 1: I didn't need more. The more I started to think, like,
Speaker 1: I think they do believe some of the things that
Speaker 1: we have been talking about. Where you look the center
Speaker 1: in the in the left guard position, and I think
Speaker 1: they think they're a bit vulnerable there and they feel like, hey,
Speaker 1: with these extra pieces, we're getting Lyle back. Connor as
Speaker 1: Connor McGovern has played well in the role that they've
Speaker 1: had for him, So if we keep developing him, maybe
Speaker 1: we might be a little bit better off as we
Speaker 1: get later in the season. I just think right now
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where they go. I don't think
Speaker 1: Connor Williams has been horrible. I do think Connor Williams
Speaker 1: has some moments that weren't great, and I think in
Speaker 1: the running game you see it more than maybe even
Speaker 1: in the passing game. But that all being said, I
Speaker 1: think that if you can get Lyle in there, this
Speaker 1: is more about Connor Williams and it is Lyle because
Speaker 1: I don't think when Lyle was at guard any of
Speaker 1: us were like, man, this is this spot, so you
Speaker 1: know it's really just about them, I think trying to
Speaker 1: find the best five. Do you think Lyle's the starting
Speaker 1: art right tackleing next season? Well, that's I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's not something that needs to be answered right now.
Speaker 1: I do think I think Lyle Collins is a professional
Speaker 1: and if we're so far ahead of ourselves like he has,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's technically not a starter at either position,
Speaker 1: but if they need him to play guard, he'll do it.
Speaker 1: But you gotta recognize that that's not where he wants
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, well, hold on, I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: it's we're way ahead of ourselves. I think it's a
Speaker 1: question of you know, when he got suspended, did that
Speaker 1: change his contract to the point where maybe he's not
Speaker 1: going to be here next year? If Terrence Steel, if
Speaker 1: they say this guy, keep playing him this like we
Speaker 1: did last year, Keep playing him, keep playing him. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get better and better. He's our guy. Well, if
Speaker 1: he's the guy, then you keep playing them. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like when a rookie. You draft a rookie, but
Speaker 1: you have this veteran that you don't really love, but
Speaker 1: that's why you drafted the rookie quarterback, but like, you
Speaker 1: gotta play him? When when does the future start? And
Speaker 1: that's that's why I wonder, like, are we at this
Speaker 1: point where I don't want to play him. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to say that you're ahead of yourself, because that's
Speaker 1: not a conversation worth having. It's just they haven't None
Speaker 1: of these decisions have actually been made. I mean, like
Speaker 1: theoretically Lyle could be back at tackle within the next
Speaker 1: week or two. Yeah, just just just to play devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, But guess oh, sorry, this team
Speaker 1: needs cap space. Lyle Collins makes fifty million dollars. If
Speaker 1: you feel that great about Terrence Steele, Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: decisions you gotta consider, you gotta. You know, Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: needs a contract, Dalton Schultz needs a contract, Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: needs a contract, a million other things that aren't coming
Speaker 1: to my mind right now. And if you feel that strongly, well,
Speaker 1: based on everything we just said, I think we're okay there. No,
Speaker 1: but you know, Layton Vanderish needs a contract. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think you go back to what Duke Manny Weather
Speaker 1: say when he was on our show. He compared Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele to Jeremy Parnell, who went on have a pretty
Speaker 1: good career as a tackle with the Jaguars. I think
Speaker 1: it was I need somebody better than that to replace
Speaker 1: Layl calling no my point. My point though, is my
Speaker 1: point though, is I think he developed into what was
Speaker 1: a very very decent I would say more than decent,
Speaker 1: probably a solid to a little bit above average tackle
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Right. My point is, what we know
Speaker 1: about the NFL is younger and cheaper is better. And
Speaker 1: so if you can get a cheaper contract for a
Speaker 1: guy that you think is comparable, maybe a little less,
Speaker 1: but comparable and still young, I think the Cowboys might
Speaker 1: consider that. And that's the part that gets interesting in
Speaker 1: this whole scenario. If Terrence Steele is your right tackle
Speaker 1: moving forward for the rest of this season, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to imagine Lyle Collins is back next year.
Speaker 1: Whether that's yeah, I mean, you find a way to
Speaker 1: move on, or you find a trade partner or whatever.
Speaker 1: But that is a I think that's kind of a
Speaker 1: line in the sand. And I'm not like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to put words on lyall that he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: out of here. If you won't play me. I just
Speaker 1: think he probably sees himself as a tackle and you
Speaker 1: have a chance to have a starting right tackle who's
Speaker 1: making a fraction of that. It just makes sense. Well,
Speaker 1: I think when you throw Dak's situation into the mix,
Speaker 1: it's like we're at if he plays and he's health
Speaker 1: or whatever, you're still gonna be watching out for him regardless,
Speaker 1: you know. And maybe he plays but he's not his
Speaker 1: usual self or as mobile or secure and everything. So
Speaker 1: I just think that it's an interesting week to be
Speaker 1: making any kind of shuffles in the old line. So
Speaker 1: I think that it will regardless of messages or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're gonna try their best to keep the best five
Speaker 1: on the field and put pride aside whoever's bed, whoever
Speaker 1: has been playing, keep whoever's playing the best, and if
Speaker 1: that means plugging like Al Collins into guard and the
Speaker 1: spite because they know better than we do, you know,
Speaker 1: they get to see him at practice, So if he's
Speaker 1: showing them something more than what Connor has been providing
Speaker 1: all season long, I think that like, let's see it
Speaker 1: because Dad needs all the help he can get. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. I think, who's my best five pass protectors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna need a clean pocket and when he
Speaker 1: goes back there to throw, we don't need to be
Speaker 1: moving around and shuffling all that I need. I need
Speaker 1: my best guys, and maybe I need my strongest guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't that this could be a situation
Speaker 1: because of that, because you know Dak is he is
Speaker 1: going to be limited or he's going to be compromised
Speaker 1: in some way. I can promise you that. Or back
Speaker 1: to your point you made I think the other day
Speaker 1: that you know this is a team that I mean
Speaker 1: you were talking about I'm hard today when you're talking
Speaker 1: about how you may get a little bit more in
Speaker 1: your running game with Lyle and they're a little more beef,
Speaker 1: maybe they look at this as just the opposite. They say,
Speaker 1: with Dak compromised a bit, we may want to run
Speaker 1: a little bit more. We want a little more power
Speaker 1: to be able to run a little more, And maybe
Speaker 1: Lyle gives you that. And I know we are talking
Speaker 1: about a ton of different scenarios and none of them
Speaker 1: may actually be the truth. It could just be. Seriously,
Speaker 1: we accidentally put that on the on the unofficial depth chart.
Speaker 1: It's not that. No, no, no, no, no, no no, that's
Speaker 1: not an accident. Well, because I mean, remember he wasn't
Speaker 1: on the depth chart. Should say, shouldn't say accidentally, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say accidentally, I should say. We didn't need it
Speaker 1: to be that big of a deal. We just kind
Speaker 1: of put it out there because that's where we were
Speaker 1: working for. But it might not change anything for this week.
Speaker 1: Who knows. Before any of the stuff about the depth
Speaker 1: chart got talked about, McCarthy offered offered up, he was like,
Speaker 1: he's got position flex, he's going to do a little
Speaker 1: bit of both, which he does have position flex, but
Speaker 1: again it's a position he hasn't played in five years.
Speaker 1: So to just all of a sudden be talking about that,
Speaker 1: I think it's a conscious decision on their part. Is sorry, ahead, Well,
Speaker 1: they have it on their in the media packet they
Speaker 1: get sent out with all the stats and stuff. They
Speaker 1: have the official stats, official stats. They also have the
Speaker 1: unofficial depth chart, and they make it clear that it's
Speaker 1: called the unofficial depth chart. But what we don't know?
Speaker 1: I just sorry, but I just there's two I think
Speaker 1: there's two possibility is we don't know, and we can't
Speaker 1: know probably until Sunday, but they're aggravated with Lyell and
Speaker 1: they're like, we're not gonna just hand you your job back,
Speaker 1: or this is a season long storyline that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to be following. So that's I kind of like
Speaker 1: the second one gives us more to talk about. Last year,
Speaker 1: we couldn't find a tackle to play right anyone now
Speaker 1: got three tackles. I gotta move him to guard whatever.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take our first break and we
Speaker 1: come back. We got Bucky Brooks joining us. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star Wars joined right now
Speaker 1: by Buckey Brooks of NFL Network. We're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little Minnesota offense versus Dallas defense. Before we do that, though, Bucky,
Speaker 1: I want to get your opinions. We've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about Lyle Collins and him kind of now playing
Speaker 1: a little bit of guard, a little bit of tackle.
Speaker 1: Tell us what you thought of him coming out of
Speaker 1: college as a prospect with regards to him playing guard
Speaker 1: versus tackle. Yeah, I thought he was best suited to
Speaker 1: play guard at the next level. He was a big,
Speaker 1: physical player. He was more of a Maller brawler when
Speaker 1: you watched him on tape. And sometimes when you have
Speaker 1: those maller types, they're better when they can play inside
Speaker 1: the neighborhood, meaning when you put him at guard, they
Speaker 1: can use the body hill from the center and the
Speaker 1: tackle to limit the exposure that they have the one
Speaker 1: on one matchups. Now, you like the fact that he
Speaker 1: had versatility that he had played in space, but when
Speaker 1: you looked at his body type and the way that
Speaker 1: the strength of his games were, you thought that he
Speaker 1: was probably best suited to be a guard. Let's look
Speaker 1: at the Vikings offense. You know, obviously what tray Von
Speaker 1: Diggs has done has been outstanding. Is he is this
Speaker 1: an offense where you take Justin Jefferson and you say
Speaker 1: you go get him, but feeling so good on the
Speaker 1: other side, should you think they should play like, just
Speaker 1: stay to their sides and don't try to follow guys
Speaker 1: around them. Yeah, this is a tough one because I
Speaker 1: think you need to mix and match it. I think
Speaker 1: you can travel at times, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want to do it one hundred percent at a time,
Speaker 1: because the guy that you leave on the backside, whether
Speaker 1: it's Jefferson or Feeling, outstanding route runner and they have
Speaker 1: the ability to twist dbs up in knots with their
Speaker 1: clever craftsmanship on the perimeter. So I think you have
Speaker 1: to kind of play it straight initially, but then in
Speaker 1: critical situations you got to make sure that you take
Speaker 1: away the hot receiver. You just don't know in a
Speaker 1: week by week basis, is that going to be Jefferson,
Speaker 1: Is that going to be Feeling. I think you have
Speaker 1: to have that travel plan in your play call sheet,
Speaker 1: but I think you play it straight initially to you
Speaker 1: see how the game unfolds. I don't want to oh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he's a turnover machine,
Speaker 1: but Kirk Cousins is relatively dependable to turn the ball
Speaker 1: over to you over the course of his career, but
Speaker 1: that is not the case this year. Is that simply
Speaker 1: by virtue of having so many good players to get
Speaker 1: the ball to, or is he playing cleaner football right now?
Speaker 1: He's playing really well. He's playing really well. And then
Speaker 1: the system is one that allows you to play really well.
Speaker 1: If you're an average to above average quarterback, you can
Speaker 1: look like an all star in this system. Everything is
Speaker 1: really done for you. The running game starts it, and
Speaker 1: then what they do is clever misdirection play action passes
Speaker 1: all of their favorite running plays, and so if you're
Speaker 1: unable to stop the run, you now expose your corners
Speaker 1: to one on one. And I've already talked about how
Speaker 1: both of these guys on the outside are outstanding route runners.
Speaker 1: And so the game is really easy for Kirk Cousins
Speaker 1: right now because they have players that can make his
Speaker 1: job easy because all he has to do is hit
Speaker 1: hit the open man. Well, going along with that, Bucky,
Speaker 1: one of the main criticisms that the Cowboys defense has
Speaker 1: been getting this year is allowing those explosive plays. So
Speaker 1: just my question is pretty broad just overall, as an offense,
Speaker 1: what do the vikings, Uh, why can't they really give
Speaker 1: as far as like explosiveness or however you say that word. Uh, No,
Speaker 1: that they can. They can create explosive plays in a
Speaker 1: variety of different ways. It begins and ends with number
Speaker 1: thirty three, though, like Dalvin Cook is the straw that
Speaker 1: stories to drink. If he gets going as a runner,
Speaker 1: it's problematic for you. Throughout the day. He's averaging ninety
Speaker 1: one rushing yards a game. He is fantastic finding the
Speaker 1: backside seam on that front side run stretched play the
Speaker 1: day they use and so if you can't contain him,
Speaker 1: then the big players are gonna happen in the running act.
Speaker 1: If you contain him by dropping extra defenders in the box,
Speaker 1: then your guys on the outside have to hold up
Speaker 1: against Jefferson and Celand and what they're going to do
Speaker 1: based on what other teams are done against the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: You're gonna see double moves on the outside, particularly on
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs. Inside, they will try and bait the trap
Speaker 1: and see if he east the cheese and see if
Speaker 1: they can get a player two over the top. They
Speaker 1: will also do some clever things to see if they
Speaker 1: can get the safeties being a little nosy, maybe two
Speaker 1: noisy in the box. And you will see some deep
Speaker 1: overs where the running back I mean pot up in
Speaker 1: a tight, nasty split and run a diagonal across the
Speaker 1: field with a post coming behind it. Very similar to
Speaker 1: the way the Seattle Seahawks hurt the Cowboys a year
Speaker 1: ago up there. So you will see a lot of
Speaker 1: those things and they're gonna do it five to seven
Speaker 1: times to see if they can catch your guys sleeping,
Speaker 1: and if you do, you're talking about a twenty five
Speaker 1: fifty yard play that eventually leads the points for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Let's stick with the running game a little bit. I
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit more about that Dallas's
Speaker 1: defense struggled a bid against New England's power run attack.
Speaker 1: What was the problem that you saw in that game
Speaker 1: with regards to Dallas's rush defense and is Minnesota capable
Speaker 1: of presenting some of those same types of problems. One.
Speaker 1: Minnesota's absolutely capable of creating those problems. It's very similar
Speaker 1: to the game that the Cowboys played a year go
Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Browns. Same running game, same system, same concepts.
Speaker 1: They're going to test you and test your discipline. The
Speaker 1: same missions typically occurred when the Cowboys are struggling against
Speaker 1: the run. Lack of gap integrity and the inability to
Speaker 1: get off blocked at the line of scrimmage, So the
Speaker 1: d line has to force the Minnesota Vikings to kind
Speaker 1: of play on their heels, meaning they are playing on
Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrimmage. The penetration
Speaker 1: is consistent, and they're building a wall at the point
Speaker 1: of attack. If there's any voids at the point of
Speaker 1: attack Dalvin Cook, Alexander Madison, they're going to find those creases.
Speaker 1: They're going to cut back. So this is a test
Speaker 1: and not only your physical prowess at the point of attack,
Speaker 1: but are you discipline enough to stay and you're a
Speaker 1: signed gap because if you jump outside of your gap
Speaker 1: trying to make a play, their running backs will unable
Speaker 1: to find decrease and it would end up being a
Speaker 1: big play. Bucky is Layton vander esher better player now
Speaker 1: than he was his rookie year. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: He's playing really well. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if dan Quinn is kind of whisper sweet,
Speaker 1: nothing's in his ear and got him going, But he's
Speaker 1: definitely playing at a pro Bowl level. When you watch
Speaker 1: him play, his athleticism still stands out. His instincts and
Speaker 1: awareness allows him to play fast and so, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is some of the best football they we've seen from LVEE.
Speaker 1: And then what happens typically when you have a guy
Speaker 1: like Michael Parsons and Randy Gregory and Trey Vun Diggs,
Speaker 1: guys who I kind of view as energizers, it kind
Speaker 1: of raises the level of everybody on that defense because ultimately,
Speaker 1: all these guys are very competitive, and when you're watching
Speaker 1: the tape and you see Michael Parsons make a play,
Speaker 1: you see Randy Gregory make a play, you see Diggs
Speaker 1: make a play, everybody wants to get in on the action.
Speaker 1: I think he's lb playing well. But also the competitiveness
Speaker 1: of hey man, I got some dudes around me. I
Speaker 1: need to step up my game. So I also can
Speaker 1: get him held on the fund. So you know, I
Speaker 1: love a good draft question. Buck. Christian Derris Saw made
Speaker 1: his first start at left tackle the rookie. That is
Speaker 1: an intriguing matchup because I would imagine he'll be seeing
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory a lot. How did he look against Carolina?
Speaker 1: How does he how does he project? I mean, look,
Speaker 1: he was a good player. He was a good player
Speaker 1: coming out of Virginia Tech. He has sides, he's athletic,
Speaker 1: he has physical things that can give you problems. I
Speaker 1: would say this though, he's going to be tested by
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's motor and his athleticism. If you're not packing
Speaker 1: your lunch to deal with Randy Gregory, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a long day for you because he is going to
Speaker 1: test you not only with his ability to get on
Speaker 1: the outside on speed rushes, but slipping inside, but just
Speaker 1: the NonStop activity. And so for Ricky this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a big test because normally in college you don't
Speaker 1: get hit with fastballs. Down after down after down. Ninety
Speaker 1: four is going to test him, So it'd be a
Speaker 1: big battle. You've covered a lot of ground already, but
Speaker 1: with both teams coming off a bye week, I mean,
Speaker 1: which of the two should benefit the most one? You know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys hopping on a roll and then you got
Speaker 1: the Vikings that kind of hopping right there on the
Speaker 1: line with winning games not winning games. So which one
Speaker 1: really benefits the most this week? Well, the Cowboys been
Speaker 1: for the most because of the offense, because Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: should be able to play if it was without a
Speaker 1: bye he probably wouldn't have been able to play or
Speaker 1: either been compromised. So the Cowboys getting the biggest benefit
Speaker 1: in terms of the bye week and how both teams
Speaker 1: use it. Typically, what you want to do is clean
Speaker 1: up the issues that have presented themselves the first part
Speaker 1: of the season. So for the Cowboys, it's about making
Speaker 1: sure how can we curb the big plays that we're
Speaker 1: allowing Trayvon Dix. How can we make sure that despite
Speaker 1: your success picking off passes, we're still a little tighter
Speaker 1: with the coverage. We don't let the ball flower ahead
Speaker 1: in the run game. The new England Patriots began to
Speaker 1: gash us up front. Can we tighten it up? Because
Speaker 1: it's a copycat league, other teams are going to see
Speaker 1: what the Patriots did in the run game and they're
Speaker 1: going to emulate that and see if the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: fixed those issues. The Cowboys should benefit because of Dad
Speaker 1: coming back, but because the level playing field because the
Speaker 1: bike has had time off as well. One more real
Speaker 1: quick question before we end Bucky Minnesota's offense was the
Speaker 1: only offense so I mean, Minnesota's offense was only slowed
Speaker 1: once this season. That was against Cleveland in Week four.
Speaker 1: They only were allowed seven points. I had a fifty
Speaker 1: two percent completion percentage, only one hundred and ninety yards
Speaker 1: passing sixty five yards rushing. So it was not a
Speaker 1: great day for them. What did Cleveland do that other
Speaker 1: teams have not been able to do this season against
Speaker 1: this high powered Minnesota offense. Well, at the time, Cleveland's
Speaker 1: defense was loaded with firepower at the front line, and
Speaker 1: so everything started with Miles Garrett, but you had Tack McKinley,
Speaker 1: you had Ja Damon Clowney and all those guys like
Speaker 1: Hunting just relentless pressure. And then Joe Woods was dialing
Speaker 1: up the pressure, kind of figuring out different ways to
Speaker 1: be able to make Kirk Cousins uncomfortable. Because I would
Speaker 1: say this about Kirk Cousins. If he can play on
Speaker 1: the script, he's outstanding. But if you can disrupt the
Speaker 1: timing and make it money for him by either getting
Speaker 1: penetration or disrupting some of the timing of the routes
Speaker 1: on the outside, you certainly can make him uncomfortable. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to improvise and kind of make
Speaker 1: it right when the initial play breaks down. So constant
Speaker 1: and persistent pressure is how the Cleveland Browns were able
Speaker 1: to do it. For the Cowboys, they have to figure
Speaker 1: out a way to do it. Is that Randy Gregory?
Speaker 1: Is that Michael Parsons? Is that someone else who can
Speaker 1: create that steady disruption with and without having to bring
Speaker 1: an additional Russian? All right, appreciate you joining us, Bucky.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with you tomorrow. We'll talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about the Minnesota this time about the Minnesota
Speaker 1: defense versus the Cowboys offense. Let's take our final break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. Final segment of the Break. It will be
Speaker 1: a very very short one because we got approximately thirteen
Speaker 1: seconds left in this segment, but real quick, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get one question in before we end the show.
Speaker 1: He did. We did ask Bucky a little bit about
Speaker 1: Diggs and I think Nicky, you were the one to
Speaker 1: ask him that question. I'd love to get you guys's
Speaker 1: opinion on how you think you best deploy a guy
Speaker 1: like Treyvon Diggs this week when you have a team
Speaker 1: that you're facing where you got two really really good
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Do you take one away or we'll try
Speaker 1: to take one away with Trayvon Diggs and maybe double
Speaker 1: the other, or do you, as Bucky said, kind of
Speaker 1: mixed it up and maybe it's straight for a while
Speaker 1: and then see if there are moments later in the
Speaker 1: game where you choose to do that based upon how
Speaker 1: you think Minnesota's trying to attack you. With all due
Speaker 1: respect to Adam Feeling and maybe I'm a little emotionally compromised,
Speaker 1: I know this is the going. Justin Jefferson's special man.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he is picking up right well too.
Speaker 1: Though Justin Jefferson is playing as well or better than
Speaker 1: anyone in the league right now. I mean, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't say that, you said that. I'm just saying he
Speaker 1: play absolutely But I just want Chase we're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think he is a I think bow he's absolutely dynamic.
Speaker 1: He can play inside, he can play outside. When he
Speaker 1: went to the bye he was the only receiver in
Speaker 1: the league who'd had at least sixty five yards every
Speaker 1: week of the season. Um, I just when you're talking
Speaker 1: about who can, it's a classic case of if that's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do, I want Trayvon on Jefferson and
Speaker 1: let everybody else handle a feeling as best. Jefferson. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't, I really am. I put Digs
Speaker 1: on theel all day long, Diggs on feeling, lock them down,
Speaker 1: double this side over here. That's what I would do.
Speaker 1: I'd roll coverage to help Anthony Brown on Jefferson and
Speaker 1: just say you gotta stop dealing Diggs. Stop him. He's
Speaker 1: a good route runner. That's what I would do. And
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman the other day said that was their biggest
Speaker 1: fear when they were playing Dion Sanders. Every time. They
Speaker 1: hated when they did that, when Dion would take Harper,
Speaker 1: take Harper out of the game and they would double Michael.
Speaker 1: They they that was their biggest where do you go? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm saying Troy said that, and he had a
Speaker 1: pretty good running back too. Yeah, So but I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still think Theeeland can beat Diggs
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, yeah, and maybe maybe beat him,
Speaker 1: but maybe not beat him to the point where he's
Speaker 1: beating other teams, and maybe it's not enough. Is the point, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you limit them enough to where you still
Speaker 1: wouldn't confuse cousins. You can't just give him the same
Speaker 1: thing every time. I got to switch it up. We
Speaker 1: I feel like we oversimplify it sometimes on this show.
Speaker 1: It ain't it ain't gonna be one thing all the
Speaker 1: time for sixty five snaps. They're gonna disguise stuff, They're
Speaker 1: gonna change it up. I doubt I don't know that
Speaker 1: Diggs has Diggs just followed one guy every snap of
Speaker 1: the game, like at all this year. I mean, like
Speaker 1: every single snap he's on that guy. I don't have
Speaker 1: that number in front of I don't know that I
Speaker 1: know that he travels. I don't think he does it
Speaker 1: like exclusively, just like Hugo wherever Ego. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna do a little bit of everything. I just I
Speaker 1: feel like Keenan Allen that game. I feel like he
Speaker 1: did that Allen, but maybe not. Yeah, he did. He
Speaker 1: went with him a lot, and he went with Mike
Speaker 1: Evans a lot. I just don't know about like one
Speaker 1: under snaps either. Just to go ahead, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that that you look at the Bucks game. That
Speaker 1: was a game where you face you faced a similar
Speaker 1: kind of team from the standpoint, they had multiple receiving weapons. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they decided they were going to travel, and the
Speaker 1: guy just compared the quarterbacks. No, I'm not comparing the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at all. I'm just saying like that was a
Speaker 1: similar type of set up where you had that number
Speaker 1: of really great wide receipt Nick's point, a guy that
Speaker 1: Diggs wasn't with killed him in that game about So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just maybe you're right, what focus
Speaker 1: on Justin Jefferson. That's really all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: That's the guy who's gonna kill you here in my opinion. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he makes dealings so much better too, because
Speaker 1: he is a really really good route runner, and so
Speaker 1: you can't just put some other corner on him because
Speaker 1: he'll he'll burn him as well. And then they got
Speaker 1: a running game to match, So it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough one. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: not and I know I've I've seen this from fans
Speaker 1: already where they're talking about this game. They're like, man,
Speaker 1: here we go again. Every week they're like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a tough one. This is the week
Speaker 1: where you're gonna face it. But I'm like, that's this
Speaker 1: team though, that that's the NFL. No. Well, but no
Speaker 1: team that's good. That is bs. If anybody feels that way,
Speaker 1: because we've been on here damn near just we've been
Speaker 1: writing w on the schedule on Monday for the last month.
Speaker 1: And big blowouts too. Well. Obviously yes, those two division
Speaker 1: games we absolutely did. But obviously when we talked about
Speaker 1: the Chargers game, we talked about it like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a really good team, and they were. And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, they really were. Shoot, I picked
Speaker 1: him to beat the Patriots by eighteen. How'd that work out?
Speaker 1: I Mean, I've been nervously there for a second. Any
Speaker 1: if anybody's I mean, you should be taking this game seriously.
Speaker 1: And if you think that we haven't been well and
Speaker 1: if you think we have, like we haven't been pumping
Speaker 1: anybody up for the last month. We've been like they're
Speaker 1: gonna roll over these guys, I would be shocked if
Speaker 1: that happens on Sunday. Even with two healthy calves, I
Speaker 1: think this would be a tough game. All right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys, jan Us. We'll be back tomorrow. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Minnesota defense versus the Cowboys offense.
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