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Speaker 1: Dan Schneier is a senior editor at CBS Sports and

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Speaker 1: a co host the Big Blue Banter podcast. He previously

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Speaker 1: has done work at Pro Football focused in Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: He's a Giants fan, he's a film grinder, and contrary

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Speaker 1: to popular belief, there is no D in his last name.

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Speaker 1: These are his late round perspectives. I've been typing your

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Speaker 1: name more frequently than I would otherwise be doing, obviously

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Speaker 1: because you're on the show and I'm putting together the

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Speaker 2: And all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Do you how frequently do you get a D in

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Speaker 1: your name versus not in it?

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Speaker 2: Not being in your name?

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Speaker 3: It's just constant. It's been my entire life. I think

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Speaker 3: even when people don't see the D in pronounce the D,

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Speaker 3: they just have no clue how to pronounce this last name,

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Speaker 3: even though it's like easy too if you just think

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Speaker 3: of like Schneider without the D, but it just confuses people,

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Speaker 3: and it's been confusing for everybody my dire life. So

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Speaker 3: that's my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. It's like it's just one of those names.

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Speaker 1: There's some names where like whenever I type them out

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Speaker 1: and i'm typing them, I just I can I never will. Like,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, Trey McBride's last name, I always put

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Speaker 1: me bridge for some reason. Right, So like every time

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Speaker 1: I'm putting that G in there for some reason, and

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Speaker 1: with yours i'm typing it out. I just keep putting

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Speaker 1: the D in there, and I'm not meaning to put

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Speaker 1: that in there? Do you get Schneider more than Schneier

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Speaker 1: in general?

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Speaker 3: I think I get Schneer the most. That's the one

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Speaker 3: I get the interesting? Yeah, interesting, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean as someone who can who can you know,

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Speaker 1: feel for you with the uh last name mispronunciations, I

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Speaker 1: totally get it, totally.

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Speaker 3: And I gotta be honest. I have never done one

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Speaker 3: of these cold opens in a show ever. I had

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Speaker 3: no idea what to expect. So I hope I didn't

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Speaker 3: mess that up too badly.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Look and look, you can't mess up the cold open

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Speaker 1: any worse than Uh. There was one episode that I

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Speaker 1: did with UH with John Dagel last year, good Friend,

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Speaker 2: Hopped on and I was just like, Degel, how's the

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Speaker 2: gold buddy? Like those that those the cold open?

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Speaker 1: No, this is perfect. That's a perfect way. I like

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Speaker 1: doing a cold open because you just get right into

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Speaker 1: it and you're able to kind of you know, break

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Speaker 1: at least gives a little bit of a different like

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Speaker 1: from like a from a listener perspective. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: they're jumping in literally when we because like most shows

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Speaker 1: that we do, I mean ninety nine percent of them

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Speaker 1: that don't have cold opens, you're having People don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: know this, but like there are some shows will go

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Speaker 1: on where we're having conversations for like a half hour

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Speaker 1: before the show starts and then again for a half

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Speaker 1: hour to the show ends. And you know, at least

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Speaker 1: with this, you're cutting off that beginning part and you're

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Speaker 1: getting all of the discussion.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, interesting.

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Speaker 1: This is your first time on perspectives, So I want,

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Speaker 1: you know, the audience, if they're not familiar with your

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Speaker 1: know you. So talk about what you're about, what you do,

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Speaker 1: your Giants fandom. I almost met by the way, I

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Speaker 1: but I decided not to.

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Speaker 2: You know, with might yeah, it would it would have

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Speaker 2: been would have a little rough.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say to talk about like everything

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Speaker 1: about like what you're doing, like like your your come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate that. I did need to start the

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Speaker 3: show though, first by thanking you. It's an honor to

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Speaker 3: be on the show. Dude. I've followed your work forever,

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Speaker 3: been a huge fan of your work forever. Can literally

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Speaker 3: word for word this is kind of sickening, but word

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Speaker 3: for word, recite the Living the Stream intro song.

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Speaker 2: God, I don't know how one of those sickos.

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Speaker 3: I'm one of those siccos I don't even know how.

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Speaker 3: I still have it in my head. Like not to

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Speaker 3: be offensive, but I haven't really listened to the show

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Speaker 3: as much in the last couple years because I'm so busy.

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Speaker 3: I still can hit that intro word for word, and

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Speaker 3: I think it's the best intro in sports. But love

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Speaker 3: the work you do. I love the transition you've made

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Speaker 3: the solo show. It is not easy to solo podcast.

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Speaker 3: It is really difficult thing to do, so I thought

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Speaker 3: I was really impressive that you took that leap and

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Speaker 3: you were able to execute it the way you have.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for having me on the shows. Definitely

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Speaker 3: a big honor to be here. As far as my

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Speaker 3: journey's gone, with this whole job, in this career, it

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Speaker 3: started out of nowhere. For me at least, I've always

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Speaker 3: loved football. My dad took me to my first fantasy

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Speaker 3: football draft at eight years old. It was an auction draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm the biggest auction proponent, and since then I've just

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Speaker 3: been hooked. We were reading Matthew Polite columns on Roadal World,

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Speaker 3: and then for you know, for school, I went to Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: I was going to just do advertising, and that was

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Speaker 3: going to be my career. Like my parents are always like,

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Speaker 3: There's there's no value to that, there's no career ahead.

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Speaker 3: And I was working my first job, which is a

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Speaker 3: my parents' house in New Jersey, JJ, the most miserable

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Speaker 3: commute of a lifetime, waking up every morning like I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I can do this again another day.

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Speaker 3: And in that time period, Chris Westling, who I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you're familiar with Chris, Yeah, fortunately rest in peace,

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest dudes, put out a tweet it

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Speaker 3: a few thousand people at the time, probably, and his

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Speaker 3: tweet was just this rotor World account is so poorly managed,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it. Kind of just like venting at

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Speaker 3: just said, listen, I'll run this account for free. I

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Speaker 3: just want an opportunity. Did that met Mike claith that

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Speaker 3: it's kind of jumped from there and I've moved over

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Speaker 3: now Jacob and I for those who aren't aware, we

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Speaker 3: have a new show that's debuted this year. Last year

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Speaker 3: Today beyond the box Score, where we do a lot

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Speaker 3: So it's been a really fun journey for me. I

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Speaker 2: That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of like intertwining with people with

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Speaker 1: first off, people don't even know this. I probably have

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Speaker 1: brought it up on a Perspective episode. But I before

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Speaker 1: and I got gigs at like a one off sort

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Speaker 1: of article series with Rodo World. That was one of

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Speaker 1: You know, Scott Barrett and Graham Barfield both started under

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Speaker 1: one who's just been absolutely coaching. Yeah, I feel I feel,

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Speaker 1: I feel amazing about I mean, obviously they they're the

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Speaker 1: there's you know, I'm a totally different analyst than I was,

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Speaker 1: yeah back then, but like, you know, just thinking back,

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Speaker 2: Budget to be able to have held on all those dudes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could have done. But they've they've gone

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hundred percent. Hundred percent. So let's talk about you

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Speaker 1: as an analyst. How would you describe your process a

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Speaker 1: bit as an analyst? I actually recently was working out

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Speaker 2: And I listened to you on the.

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Speaker 1: I do. Right, That's that's where I can learn the most.

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Speaker 1: No offense to a you know, Rich Reebar, Dwayne McFarlane,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne and Reebs, because Dwayne and Reebs were more than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definite, it's definitely different. I think it all

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Speaker 3: kind of harkens back to my interest in football as

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Speaker 3: And back in twenty eighteen when I started my Giants podcast,

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Speaker 3: Urchin at the time, who's now working as a football coach.

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Speaker 3: That's how like advanced he was, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: He taught me a lot, and now my new co host,

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Speaker 3: Nick Vlado, same type of deal. Like went to the

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Speaker 3: Scout and Academy, learned the game, played football, teach me

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Speaker 3: how to learn this game better. And from that, I've

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Speaker 3: really become an analyst that really focuses mostly on what

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Speaker 3: I see on film, and it's not necessarily all film based.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say that, because I believe honestly,

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Speaker 3: But I do feel like my advantages come from honestly

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Speaker 1: were approaching you know, the big board debate to.

436
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Speaker 3: An extent, Yes, I mean, look, you could. It's very interesting,

437
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Speaker 3: so I think in doing so, when a team does

438
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Speaker 3: this and they're like, you know, we know more than you,

439
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,679
Speaker 3: We don't care, we trust our eyes. It's similar to

440
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Speaker 3: the outlier discussion in some ways, like the forty nine

441
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Speaker 3: ers are a good example, Like they've missed on all

442
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Speaker 3: these running backs where they felt like they knew more

443
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Speaker 3: than us on and that's been bad. At the same time,

444
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Speaker 3: they also found George Kittle in round five. They also

445
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Speaker 3: found Fred Warner in round three. These are two of

446
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Speaker 3: the best draft picks by any team or any draft

447
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Speaker 3: class in the last ten years, so finding those outliers

448
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Speaker 3: at times has really provided helpful for them. So then

449
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Speaker 3: the question comes down to, like, as a team building

450
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Speaker 3: your roster out and this is not fantasy related, it's

451
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Speaker 3: more like roster building related. But what's more valuable to

452
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Speaker 3: you finding a George Kittle or a Fred Warner every

453
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Speaker 3: now and then or missing on some round three or

454
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Speaker 3: four picks that ultimately don't play a huge role if

455
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Speaker 3: you look at we'll go over some of the numbers,

456
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Speaker 3: but like, for example, there's only been three receivers in

457
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Speaker 3: the last twelve draft classes that were drafted in round

458
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Speaker 3: three out of a fifty four receiver sample size. And

459
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Speaker 3: I shout out Adam Mazer for the stat He told

460
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Speaker 3: me this on Finnis Wall today that have scored ten

461
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Speaker 3: point eight or more on average Fantasy points per game

462
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Speaker 3: in PPR and full PPR. That's how unproductive the round

463
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Speaker 3: three has been for wide receivers. So these picks we

464
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Speaker 3: tend to put a lot on them. We make a

465
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Speaker 3: lot of it. It's our game. We're looking to go deep.

466
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Speaker 3: But like ultimately in the NFL, when you get outside

467
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Speaker 3: of the top fifty overall, you kind of need an

468
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Speaker 3: outlier to make an impact on an NFL teams. There's

469
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Speaker 3: not as much safety, there's not as much like floor

470
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Speaker 3: as people seem to prescribe to it. So I think

471
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Speaker 3: if the forty nine ers were doing it earlier, it

472
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Speaker 3: made more sense, and this year they did with Stribbling

473
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Speaker 3: right like at thirty four. That's a pretty premium pick

474
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Speaker 3: that decides to use on a player who's gonna have

475
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Speaker 3: to be an outlier from a success standpoint. But ultimately,

476
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Speaker 3: what I think that it comes down to is this

477
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Speaker 3: JJ there's two factors that we're never gonna have when

478
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Speaker 3: we build out our consensus boards when the analysts make

479
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Speaker 3: their big board. For example, one, they're gonna have no

480
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Speaker 3: nowhere near the medical information that these NFL teams get

481
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Speaker 3: on these players. Okay, they have none of that, So

482
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Speaker 3: that's a huge factor in which players fall and which

483
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Speaker 3: players are drafted higher and lower. The second is none

484
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Speaker 3: of the people like and these are great draft analysts

485
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Speaker 3: who put together that you know, the consensus board that

486
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Speaker 3: a reef puts together. It's from really smart people, but

487
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Speaker 3: none of them have any access to interviewing these players.

488
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Speaker 3: They don't know who they're going to be, they don't

489
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Speaker 3: know what they're about. They don't know the human side

490
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Speaker 3: at all. Really, I mean, they could read Dane Bruger's

491
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Speaker 3: work in the Beast and it's great. He gets into

492
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Speaker 3: the human side a little bit, but it's nowhere near

493
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Speaker 3: like what these NFL teams have access to from interviews,

494
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Speaker 3: from having like scouts just follow these area scouts, follow

495
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Speaker 3: these guys around and see them in season, how they operate.

496
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Speaker 3: So those two factors that are always lost make me

497
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Speaker 3: think that like I do or respect and appreciate the

498
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Speaker 3: consensus big board, but it is missing information that these

499
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Speaker 3: NFL teams have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And that's why I think the data

501
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Speaker 1: that I've researched, which I think is interesting that it

502
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Speaker 1: shows that values in terms of big board versus actual

503
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Speaker 1: right like where guys get drafted, the values really aren't

504
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Speaker 1: any better than the guys who are like slight reaches.

505
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Speaker 1: Let's say, like the guys who are massive values. Technically,

506
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Speaker 1: the guys who are slight reaches are better value, better

507
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Speaker 1: producers versus expectation than the guys who are huge values,

508
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Speaker 1: because the guys who are huge values likely for the

509
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Speaker 1: stuff that you're saying, where they fell in the draft

510
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Speaker 1: because of bad interviews, because of medicals, because of whatever

511
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Speaker 1: the case may be, and they're falling round after round.

512
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Speaker 1: That's so many data inputs that we're getting from team

513
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Speaker 1: after team after team after team, whereas a reach is

514
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Speaker 1: just one team being like, yo, we really liked that

515
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Speaker 1: well in the second round, you know, like we really want.

516
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Speaker 2: To go that route.

517
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Speaker 1: So it is interesting, you know, like I'm obviously someone

518
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Speaker 1: who's going to come from the perspective of like wisdom

519
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 1: of the crowds probably is better than we want to

520
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Speaker 1: admit that it is. And this is an imperfect science

521
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Speaker 1: to begin with, right, And you know, there's something to

522
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Speaker 1: be said about there's somebody to be said about like

523
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Speaker 1: getting your guy. Yes, I think that's something that like

524
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Speaker 1: I don't want to dismiss at all, because it does matter,

525
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Speaker 1: Like it matters in fantasy, right, Like we're we reach

526
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Speaker 1: for guys in fantasy because we want our dudes.

527
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Speaker 2: I get it, you know, I get it from that perspective.

528
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Speaker 1: But then there's also sort of like the humility aspect

529
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Speaker 1: of it, you know where where Like, okay, but if

530
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Speaker 1: I can get this guy, you know, if I recognize

531
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Speaker 1: that this is a probability driven thing, and I can

532
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Speaker 1: get this, like if I have a seventy percent likelihood

533
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Speaker 1: that this guy is gonna hit and a sixty five

534
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Speaker 1: percent likelihood that someone else is going to hit, then

535
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Speaker 1: I should be okay with maybe foregoing that player in

536
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Speaker 1: trying to extract more value.

537
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Speaker 2: Right, and then know that the fallback plan is still there.

538
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Speaker 1: Now, look, if your evaluation says that design Stribbling is

539
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Speaker 1: so much better than every other wide receiver that's left,

540
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Speaker 1: I think it's fine to like take him where you

541
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Speaker 1: took him. My thing is also what I want to

542
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Speaker 1: follow up here with is doing that consistently. I saw

543
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Speaker 1: this tweet that I thought like really captured the whole

544
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Speaker 1: reaching conversation.

545
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Speaker 2: I think I said this on the show before, but it.

546
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Speaker 1: Was something along the lines of, you know, reaching for

547
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: players in the draft is like breaking the law where

548
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Speaker 1: you know, if you do it, you know people are

549
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Speaker 1: gonna do it every once in a while. You know

550
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna speed or you're gonna just do something that's

551
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: that's not very comptant. But if you do it over

552
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Speaker 1: and over and over again, that's when you start to

553
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Speaker 1: get in trouble, right, Yeah, And that's what I felt

554
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Speaker 1: like with those forty nine ers picks this year, this year,

555
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Speaker 1: where you know, you get stribbling, Okay, like we can

556
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Speaker 1: forgive that. It's really it's not like there was an

557
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Speaker 1: obvious to me at least like easy go to wide receiver.

558
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Speaker 1: And on Day two this year, like I thought the

559
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Speaker 1: NFL got it right with who went earlier in the draft,

560
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Speaker 1: you know, generally speaking. And so from that standpoint, if

561
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Speaker 1: you want to fill need or if you really saw

562
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Speaker 1: something out of him, fine, but then you go back

563
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Speaker 1: and then you get Kaylon Black in round three. And

564
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Speaker 1: my question you like, do you think that the dynasty

565
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Speaker 1: market is sort of not correcting enough for where the

566
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers drafted these guys or do you just

567
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Speaker 1: see this as it's the forty nine ers they're reaching.

568
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Speaker 1: We've seen them bust with Tie Davis Price, the Tie

569
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Speaker 1: Davis Prices of the world at running back. Maybe he's

570
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Speaker 1: on Stribling as something like how do you feel about

571
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Speaker 1: these players and how the fantasy community has reacted?

572
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Speaker 3: For me, It's just always going to be individual for me,

573
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Speaker 3: I'm never going to look at it in a group

574
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Speaker 3: like that, and that's I just have to make my

575
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Speaker 3: evaluation based on what I see and how I project

576
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Speaker 3: it and go from there. So I'll just touch on

577
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Speaker 3: those two individually for a second. Stribling is one of

578
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Speaker 3: my favorite players in Dynasty. I have him ranked very high.

579
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Speaker 3: Nice when I watch Dribbling, I see two things that

580
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Speaker 3: I think are really good for his chances of making

581
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Speaker 3: it work in the NFL one. He's going to come

582
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Speaker 3: in and immediately be one of the best blockers in

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Speaker 3: this class. Him and Malchi Fields are to me the

584
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Speaker 3: two best blockers on tape and also the two best

585
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Speaker 3: projected blockers, meaning they have the frame to actually block

586
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Speaker 3: at the NFL level versus nfldbs and when they're used

587
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Speaker 3: as insert blockers near the line of scrimmage. Now, why

588
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: is that important to me? It's going to get him

589
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Speaker 3: on the field early. Why is that important to me?

590
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Speaker 3: Because then he has a chance to produce more. It's

591
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Speaker 3: more and more Like a lot of times these players

592
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Speaker 3: drafted round two three. Like I mentioned with round three,

593
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Speaker 3: they just don't get on the field early as we

594
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Speaker 3: expect them to and they don't get the opportunities we expect.

595
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Speaker 3: But the big reason I love Stribbling is I feel

596
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Speaker 3: like the forty nine ers saw something in him on

597
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Speaker 3: his tape that they feel that they feel fits their

598
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 3: system and their scheme, the Shannan scheme perfectly. And what

599
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Speaker 3: do I mean by that. It's the ability to win

600
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Speaker 3: on the over routes, those inbreaking routes. He creates awesome

601
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Speaker 3: separation on those routes. And when I think back to

602
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Speaker 3: like what they got at Ayuk, it's not the vertical stuff.

603
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: Iuk was a great vertical player coming into the draft.

604
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Speaker 3: That's how people viewed him. Where I became a really

605
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Speaker 3: dominant if you look at the numbers, great yards are outrun,

606
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: all the per target metrics was his ability to win

607
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Speaker 3: on those inbreakers, those deep overs, and the whole forty

608
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Speaker 3: nine er system is predicated on those deep overs. That's

609
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Speaker 3: all the Shanahan mc, Kevin O'Connell mc. You watch all

610
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Speaker 3: these these coaches, less so McVeagh, but they're winning on

611
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Speaker 3: these deep overs that are created via the run game,

612
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Speaker 3: that are created via the action in the run game,

613
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Speaker 3: even the play action run game. And he's just going

614
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Speaker 3: to fit that like a glove man. And then the

615
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Speaker 3: post catch when he catches the football. On those, you

616
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Speaker 3: see the speed like I see the speed after the catch,

617
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Speaker 3: I see him breaking away from defenders. I feel like

618
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Speaker 3: I saw some stats on his GPS testing was in

619
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Speaker 3: the twenty two to twenty three mile per hour range,

620
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Speaker 3: and I know from just like the forty time it

621
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Speaker 3: was four three seven. I feel like the fit is

622
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: just there for him. He's going to get on the

623
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Speaker 3: field because of his blocking, and they're going to use

624
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Speaker 3: him on those routes that Ayuk was winning on and

625
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 3: Deebo was winning on. And to me, I get at

626
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: the age sucks. He's old, he's an older prospect. The

627
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 3: production profile is not there, but from a schematic fit

628
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Speaker 3: standpoint and from the things I see him do well

629
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Speaker 3: on tape, I think they translate really well to what

630
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Speaker 3: the fortynineers are going to need him for.

631
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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a reason that like his You know,

632
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Speaker 1: if you look at like NFL Mock Draft Database, like

633
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Speaker 1: he when I published the prospect for the pre draft

634
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Speaker 1: version in middle of March, his projected draft capital was

635
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy second overall or something. And it

636
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: was funny because he was like the one profile where

637
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Speaker 1: I was like, analytically, you know, you don't have to

638
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: be concerned with stribbling unless he unless his draft capital surprises.

639
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Speaker 2: Like I literally use that phrase.

640
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Speaker 3: And it's a point.

641
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good thing I used it for that player because

642
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: that was the guy where it was surprising. But his

643
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: so like his consensus, and I know we talked about consensus

644
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: big board and stuff, but I'm saying more so because

645
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: that's being driven by how people are evaluating these players,

646
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: right is the big board and he just rose and

647
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: rose and rose and rose. Okay, Like you know, he

648
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: goes one seventy two to his finished big board rank

649
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: on NFL Mock Draft Database was around ninety.

650
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Speaker 2: So while some people.

651
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: Had like never heard of the dude before, Like if

652
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: you were tracking big boards and you listened.

653
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: To like a Brugler or something, you knew that he

654
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: was rising.

655
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: The ranks at the very least, you know, And so

656
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't like as shocking that he went. I think

657
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: it was shocking that he went early round two, but

658
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: day two I think it was probable that he was

659
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: going to go day two. My question though, is like

660
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: why do you think that happens? Like why do you

661
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: think the right Like is there a group think mentality

662
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: going on here? And obviously, like I say this to

663
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: you because you're coming from the standpoint that like stribblings

664
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: a decent prospect, right, and so I really want to

665
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: know like how that kind of comes to be, Like

666
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: how he goes from being someone that people were thinking

667
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: is like a day three pick a project, whatever the

668
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: case may be, to then all of a sudden and

669
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: being looked at like this. And then you have people

670
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: who like yourself, who are obviously objectively just like doing

671
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: the work and you're just evaluating them and that's it.

672
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: But then now after the fact, you have all these

673
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: like talking heads in the media that are like trying

674
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: to save face for the forty nine ers, like saying

675
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: all these good things about design stribbling that they.

676
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: Weren't saying beforehand.

677
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious, like how are why you think

678
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: that all like came to be and how that happened.

679
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, how does the process come to be? I think

680
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: a lot of it, ultimately, for me, is a lack

681
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: of information. That's not to knock anyone or anybody, yeah,

682
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: but the reality is a lot of these people. You know,

683
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: if we have a consensus draft board that we're talking

684
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: about and we're referencing here, a lot of them are

685
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: based on one analyst evaluation of the class. Right now,

686
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: that's one person trying to put together a big board

687
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: of two hundred and fifty three hundred prospects. Now an

688
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: NFL team is has how many people working on that?

689
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 3: How many people are watching them during the year, when

690
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: maybe some of these analysts are doing other things that

691
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: they have to do for their work during the year.

692
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: Ultimately speaking, if we're honest with ourselves, the teams are

693
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: putting a lot more time and work and resources into

694
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: evaluating the class as a whole. I'm not talking one

695
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: individual player. I'm talking just three hundred plus or whatever

696
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: it may be, five hundred, but we got to consider

697
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: all these players you have phase and then also in

698
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: addition to that, they have all the information we don't

699
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: have the off field stuff, who they are as a person,

700
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: and all that factors into a player potentially becoming the

701
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: thirty whatever it was, thirty four, thirty seven, whatever it

702
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: was Bick when he was expected to maybe be a

703
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: later day two guy like in the seventies or eighties range.

704
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: So I just think there's so much more information that

705
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: these teams are working with, and we have no idea,

706
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: no idea how many other teams, like Stripling, you know,

707
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: we don't know the whole time. There could be four

708
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: or five teams who are considering him that range. We'll

709
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: never know that well never. There may be some reports

710
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: that surface post draft. I always find those to be

711
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: complete bs. Like the Giants are funny or they always

712
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: do this, Like they took a player this year, Colton

713
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: hood at thirty six, and a team traded one spot

714
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: ahead of the Giants, the Texans, and they took Kadi McDonald,

715
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: who obviously the Giants wanted. But then like at the

716
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: post draft presser, they're like, no, we were gonna take

717
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: Hoode the whole time. We had him ranked ahead of

718
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: him the whole time.

719
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: That's like, that's like the Steelers.

720
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Steelers went out there and they were like, no, Wed

721
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Mikayle Lman, we were just on the phone with him

722
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: just talking.

723
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: We're just having a good time, Yeah, exactly.

724
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: So we don't know ultimately who was who was evaluating

725
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: stribbling in the range where he was drafted. It could

726
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: be more teams than not. I think ultimately the reality

727
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 3: is these teams have so much more resources and time

728
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: put into this, to be honest.

729
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Kaylon Black, like what what do you

730
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: see with him?

731
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: Like?

732
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that was that a situation?

733
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Because like, analytically, man, it's I gotta I gotta really

734
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: squint to it's something positive here.

735
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 3: You gotta really squint with Kaylon Black. And it's funny

736
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: because we did a sleeper show Jacob and I before

737
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: the draft and Kaylen Back was a sleeper for both

738
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: of us. But that was a sleeper, Like we were

739
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: talking about guys ranked outside of our top tenant running

740
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: back who we like, and his film is great, but

741
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: it's a translation thing, it's a projection thing. Like to me,

742
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: he was the closest bet in this class. I'm trying

743
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: to think there's anyone who is closer, because there might

744
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: have been one or two. I'm sure who is. I

745
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: think he's probably the closest in this class to be

746
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: the Kyle mcnunguy of this class, like tape is just

747
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: better than the analytics, and he's just somebody who NFL

748
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: teams like. But the issue for me with Black is

749
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: he wasn't as good on tape as a manung guy,

750
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: and he was a stick slower. He wasn't as good

751
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: after the after contact, both in the metric you know,

752
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: both by the metrics rize yards after contact per attempt

753
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: also by the film. I don't think he was explosive,

754
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: and I don't think he was as latterally agile or quick.

755
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: But the forty nine ers clearly do problem being multiple things.

756
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: One like you mentioned trading up for trade sermon here

757
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Davis Price. They've missed on running back over and over

758
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: two and this one doesn't get discussed as much. The

759
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: Shanahan runs game isn't what it used to be. Man,

760
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: They've not really upgraded and continue to replenish. Their offensive

761
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: line just keeps getting worse and worse every year and

762
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: becoming a team that has really had to rely on

763
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: dumping it down to McCaffrey as an extension of their

764
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: run game because they're not able to do the same

765
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: things in the run games Stripling will help that with

766
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: his blocking, but like that's not going to be it.

767
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: They need offensive line help. They need people who replenished.

768
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: So like, I'm just not as excited in general about

769
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers passing game anyway. I'm sorry run game.

770
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm in the same boat where like I

771
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: can so like like again, I'm I think that like

772
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm not like over the overjoyed about Shribbling as a prospect,

773
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: but compared him compared to other wide receiver prospects that

774
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: sort of like went in Day two and such, he

775
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: at least analytically matches up with them more because I

776
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: think that the wide receiver class was just like overdrafted,

777
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: overrated in terms of like their actual you know, production

778
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: profiles and how they looked when I watched them versus

779
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: their actual draft capital, right, And so if you're looking

780
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: at it from that perspective, I think that Stribling makes

781
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot more sense, you know, Like, I mean, you

782
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: get Xavi and Thomas being drafted on Day two, and

783
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: you're like, like that's or Caleb Douglas I think was

784
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: was a worst pick.

785
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: Than deessign Stribling.

786
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, even when you give the context of

787
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: him going later than Stribling did the Kilon Black thing though,

788
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, I I thought that they're like I liked

789
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: Emmitt Johnson Moore, Jonah Coleman Moore, you know all these

790
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: like like uh even even probably like a I mean

791
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: completely different band, like yeah, yeah right, like both of the.

792
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: Penn State backs.

793
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 3: I would prefer both the states I would have preferred

794
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: as well.

795
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and so and then like Kaylin Block's twenty

796
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: four and a half years old. You know, it's like

797
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: it's like there's just this complete ignorance to some of

798
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: the more obvious things that we should be looking for.

799
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: And I know that people are like, oh, you know,

800
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: age doesn't matter as much anymore in this nil era,

801
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I mean, I would strongly disagree.

802
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: There's a one of the big factors last year in

803
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: the model not liking R. J. Harvey was the age factor.

804
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Because when you adjust what they did from a production

805
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: standpoint for how old they are, uh, it mattered.

806
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: It still gets signal.

807
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: You know, I know, Tyrone Tracy has hit your you know,

808
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: for your giants to a degree, but it's still like,

809
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's also a different kind of situation in general,

810
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: just given the fact that that you know, he's converted

811
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: wide receiver and stuff, and he wasn't playing running back

812
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: as long as some of these other prospects have, So like,

813
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: the Black thing is is stranger for me, Like I

814
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: want to be on record being like I understand the

815
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: stribbling thing, you know, at least to like some degree.

816
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: I just don't get it with Kaylon Black. I don't

817
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: believe it's crazy. I can't say I do. He's the

818
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: third running back drafted in this class. That's just very unexpected.

819
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: And the problem with it though, in having that take,

820
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: is that running back is the one position where, like

821
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: Matt you know, the talent profile matters a little bit less,

822
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: and so he could still realistically be fine enough from

823
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: like a fantasy perspective. But I just don't, you know,

824
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I think that he's very much in the same bucket

825
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: as like a Ti Davis Price, you know, from the

826
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: standpoint of like how excited I am versus you know,

827
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: some of the other guys that that you know could

828
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: have been you know, for for.

829
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: Them, I'm more excited about his teammate they drafted last year, personally,

830
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: Jordan James yeah right, I thought, yeah, yeah, right, it's crazy.

831
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: So at this moment, we're looking at rookie drafts, we're

832
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: doing rookie drafts. I'm curious who you think is the

833
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: most underrated player right now.

834
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: So I did kind of give up the lead already.

835
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: But to me, it is Dejeon Stribbling for sure. I mean,

836
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: if you just look at the combination things I talked

837
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: about earlier, how he fits the offense, how he can

838
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: win the offense, how soon he might get on the field,

839
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: how productive that offense is for fantasy, and how much

840
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: we like that offense. How often they're gonna be in

841
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: the reds on Holt, I'm gonna score touchdowns across the board.

842
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: Those things, for me make him to me at least

843
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 3: somebody who should be drafted way earlier than he's going.

844
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I see people, I see people drafting players

845
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: over him that make no sense to me.

846
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: So let me let me, let me give you some names,

847
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: and you tell me if you would take that player.

848
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna think think about rookie drafts right now. Yeah,

849
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: take design Stribling or that player. Okay, we'll start easy.

850
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: We'll go with like Chris brazzle.

851
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, stripling.

852
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll go uh, we'll go Chris Bell stribling. Okay,

853
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: we'll go with Jeremy Bernard stribling, Antonio Williams stribbling, and

854
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: then Denzel Boston stribling.

855
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're like, you're like late first stribling.

856
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean I think I

857
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: I just I had it up, but my emails being janky,

858
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 3: I think it was I have him at six or

859
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: seven overall for me in Dynasty.

860
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: Oh so you're okay, so you're you're you're in onun

861
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: stripped like you're you're gonna basically.

862
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: Get after race right after case for me above Cooper

863
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: Junior as well.

864
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cooper thing.

865
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: I actually am kind of concerned about Omar Cooper for

866
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons. Like I thought his profile was

867
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: like not like unbelievably spectacular. Now I thought the same

868
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: thing about Rashie Rice, who was his top comp in

869
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: the ZAT Model, and I think that he could play

870
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: that kind of role. But I also think that Rashi

871
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: Rice found the exact you know, speaking landing spot and

872
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: such like talk about like just the perfect place for

873
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: him to just dominate in fantasy. I don't think he's

874
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: doing that in pretty much any other location, you know,

875
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: in football. So like I'm I'm nervous about Omar Cooper

876
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: as well, I'm nervous about Denzel Boston. That's the thing,

877
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: is that, like once you get past concepcion, Yeah, that's

878
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, realistically, anything's fair game, you know, Like

879
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: I just I'm nervous about pretty much every prospect that

880
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: comes after that.

881
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: And are you then?

882
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Are you hyped on any of the Day three rookie

883
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: running backs over a stribbling or stribbling over all of those.

884
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: Guys, strippling by far over those guys I'm perplexed by.

885
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: We'll get into that in a moment, but I'm preplexed

886
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: by the Day three running backs.

887
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Okay, same exact question. Let's talk about

888
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: overrated player right now.

889
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the most overrated player that I've seen in this

890
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: year's Dynasty Rougy drafts and maybe any since I started

891
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: doing this to me is Jonah Coleman. I don't even

892
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: think it's remote quotes. I don't even understand the hype

893
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: personally for Dynasty. I see him going every first round

894
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: back end the first round. He goes back to back

895
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: end at first but every first round apparently we're talking

896
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: about a Day three running back drafted to a team that. Yeah,

897
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: historically Sean Payton was somebody who generated crazy amounts of

898
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: points for the running backs in Fantasy in New Orleans,

899
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: but that offensive scheme is totally different in Denver Bonix.

900
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: They've essentially taken all of the targets they used to

901
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: give those running backs, not all. You know, we saw

902
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: Harvey get some down the stretch. There's still going to

903
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: be some Sean Payton, but I'm a good majority of

904
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 3: them and converted them into quick hitters for the receivers

905
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: around the line of scrimmage. They're just doing it different.

906
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: They're running a completely different offense than the Drew Brees offense.

907
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: And so we know that. We also know that for

908
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 3: some odd reason, kind of every running back looked bad

909
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: running wise behind the Sean Payton scheme last year. They're

910
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 3: blocking scheme. They have good guys on the old line.

911
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: I have to do a bigger deep dives. This is

912
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: something to talk about with Jacob a lot. But they

913
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: don't generate like I expect them to at the point

914
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 3: of contact in the run game. They don't move people

915
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: off the ball, and it's not necessarily like we're seeing

916
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 3: like great, you know, a great power gap play where

917
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: somebody's pulling, or even zone runs being successful. There just

918
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 3: haven't run the ball well in Denver. So now we're

919
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: talking about an offense it's not great at running the ball.

920
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: A Day three prospect who joins a crowded backfield with

921
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: a player who was just drafted in round two ahead

922
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: of him, I know, and people are out on Harvey.

923
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 3: It is what it is on that front. Yeah, but like,

924
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 3: what the heck is the hype about here? I'm not

925
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure what's going on here because he's

926
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 3: a Day three investment on a crowded team that hasn't

927
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: run the ball very well.

928
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: So here's here's my stance on Coleman number one. There's

929
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: obviously a drop, like we talked about after all those plays,

930
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's just like, yeah, choose your own adventure.

931
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: So I can understand, you know, why he would be

932
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: going where he's going from that perspective. I also think

933
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: the other thing too, with like the Day three capital

934
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: and being like I think he was like one hundred

935
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: and eighth overall, I think we're gonna find when we

936
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: look back in like three or four years that Day

937
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: four or sorry, Round four is the new Round.

938
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Three for running backs.

939
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: For running backs running I think that's yeah, Like because

940
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: we saw we saw Skataboo last year. You know, like

941
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: it's like it's like teams don't want to use that

942
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote premium pick, but once Day three turns, they're like, sure,

943
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: let's go for base shall Tuton last year. Who has

944
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity now this year, you know, we'll see what

945
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: happens with that.

946
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: I think there's a possibility of that happens.

947
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: The thing that I like, here's my logic, and I

948
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: want to hear what you think about this with why

949
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: they got Joonah Coleman is that JK. Dobbins was at

950
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: least serviceable in an early down role for them last

951
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: year and then he obviously goes down and he's not reliable.

952
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: From like an injury perspective and stuff.

953
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 1: And when I watched Denver last season, they tried over

954
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: and over again to establish r J. Harvey, right, Yeah,

955
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: like they they tried so hard to make RJ. Harvey

956
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: a thing, but he he was just not He bounces everything.

957
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: He's just he's just not a grinder at all.

958
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: And I think that was part of the problem with

959
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: his analytical profile coming out too, where like a lot

960
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: of the boosting that was.

961
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Going on with him was very much like like I

962
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: think r J.

963
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Harvey was a good sleeper type last year before he

964
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: got the draft capital that he got, and a lot

965
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: of people were just like in on RJ. Harvey and

966
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: so you know, he got the draft capital that he got,

967
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: and so people were just like, well, I got to

968
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: stick with it because I like RJ. Harvey as the

969
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: player without necessarily factoring like the changing cost and like

970
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: what he actually was as a player, right, And so

971
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: last year I don't think he looks the part of

972
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: being a bellcow at all.

973
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: And he then, you.

974
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: Know, you can look at the metrics to I mean,

975
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: third worst and rushing eard respected per rush, like he

976
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: was serviceable as a receiver, like he can do you know,

977
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: the the normal stuff as a pass catcher out of

978
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: the backfield, and he did show off the explosiveness you know,

979
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: at times throughout the season.

980
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: So like that kind of stuff did translate.

981
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: But I think den Ever saw Jonah Coleman, who in

982
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: my opinion, in this class was probably the easiest all around.

983
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: Running back to project is like a he's just good

984
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: at everything, but or like find at everything but not

985
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: necessarily elite at one thing. And they say to themselves,

986
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: let's just get someone who's just a reliable body. Let's

987
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: just let's get someone who we know can can do

988
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: a little bit pass pro, can catch the ball to

989
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: the backfield well enough, can play the goal line if

990
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: we need him to. And in these scenarios where a

991
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Dobbins goes down and we can't rely on our j Harvey,

992
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: we at least have someone that's serviceable enough and fine

993
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: enough where that elite trait might not be there. Do

994
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: you think that's a real like a realistic way to

995
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: view why they did what they did with Coleman.

996
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: I think a very realistic way to view it. And

997
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: I think you could even harp hearken back to like

998
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: some of the things Champagne said after he drafted Harvey

999
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: mentioned the joker role like you mentioned Sours. He did. Yeah,

1000
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: of course every player gets that role until no one does.

1001
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: But he like, it makes sense that Harvey is a

1002
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 3: much better player in space. I mean, coming from that

1003
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: gus malzone offense, you see. It was my biggest concern,

1004
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 3: and same thing when I watch these Tennessee running backs,

1005
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, well, you're seeing these super light boxes.

1006
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: They're running into like six man boxes at times five

1007
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: man boxes. It's like, this is never gonna happen in

1008
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: the NFL level. And obviously as a running back you

1009
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 3: may develop some bad habits. When you're running into lighter

1010
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 3: boxes over and over again, you have more space to

1011
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: work with you your bounce. And it didn't translate. So

1012
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 3: that and I was a big miss for me. I

1013
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: loved r. J. Harvey as coming into the NFL and

1014
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: Dynasty a huge miss for Ja. Both Jacob I were

1015
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: big on him from the film. From the landing spot

1016
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: didn't work. The question becomes like, is that how they

1017
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: view him moving forward or are they already to the

1018
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: point where they're like, we've seen enough tape on Harvey.

1019
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: We made a mistake here. We don't want to have

1020
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: some cost fallacy. We're drafting a player who can replace

1021
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: him maybe, or the other question would be this is

1022
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: going to be a second year in a similar scheme,

1023
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: the same scheme with the Broncos runs. I mean Davis

1024
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 3: Webb may be calling plays. I'm not sure if it's

1025
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: going to be Davis web or Sean Payton. I don't

1026
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: think they've really decided that regardless, like the run scheme

1027
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: should rem in the same. Can Harvey take a step

1028
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: forward from processing standpoint, because as far as it goes

1029
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: from what these guys can offer them on a down

1030
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 3: to down basis, if you have Harvey on the field

1031
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: or you have Coleman on the field, there's a difference,

1032
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: like you're gonna have a lot more upside from not

1033
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: just the big play potential. To me, it's the yards

1034
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: after contact per attempt, it's the forcing mistackles, it's the

1035
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: receiving profile that I know Coleman's is decent. And then

1036
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 3: my other question for you with Coleman would be, let's

1037
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: take a step back here for a second. I want

1038
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: to ask you this, if we just take a step

1039
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 3: back and think about him not related to the context

1040
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 3: of where he was drafted or what the Broncos might

1041
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: want from him and our assumptions on that, how often

1042
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 3: we can even take the day three thing out of this,

1043
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: because I think you made a good point about that earlier,

1044
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: but just in general, how often do you think the

1045
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: prospect that you described earlier, this kind of good at

1046
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: everything ends up being good for fantasy? Like, what are

1047
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: our examples of this working?

1048
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really fair.

1049
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: I think that the way that I see almost any

1050
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: of the guys that were drafted this year outside of

1051
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: love and price, I mean you can even maybe throw

1052
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: a price in this bucket is it's a game theory

1053
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: thing for me, where there's a chance that they give

1054
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 1: you enough hope year one that you can sell after

1055
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: year one.

1056
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, you know what I mean?

1057
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: Because I do think that Coleman in this environment is

1058
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: going to probably see some run and get some run,

1059
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: just because we know that they rotate their running backs

1060
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: and we know that he does something a little bit

1061
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: different than the other guys there do in terms of

1062
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: just as I mean even just his.

1063
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: His body right, and how they might want to deploy him.

1064
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: And so if RJ. Harvey because like obviously r J.

1065
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: Harvey didn't have a good rookie season, right, there's a

1066
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: chance that he turns things around. But like, let's just

1067
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: like I'd say, there's a better than not chance that

1068
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: like he's going down this path of not hitting the

1069
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: way that we would want him to hit, right, And

1070
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: so if that's the case, then you might get a

1071
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: season where Jonah Coleman is seeing a decent amount of work,

1072
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, like like what we saw with like Damian

1073
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: Pierce year one, not not that much work, but like

1074
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: just getting just getting volume and not necessarily doing amazing

1075
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: things with that volume.

1076
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: And then typically in.

1077
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: These scenarios, those players are flippable after year one in Dynasty,

1078
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: and you make a profit and you kind of move on.

1079
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that in like the context

1080
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: of this class too, is that I think we're gonna

1081
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: see a lot of the day two wide receivers that

1082
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: we draft.

1083
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: Some of them, like like a couple of them are

1084
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: probably going to.

1085
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: Emerge, right, But I'm thinking about it from like a

1086
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: value year over year value perspective, and I think that

1087
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna, like because they don't have these like really

1088
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: strong profiles to fall back on, and so if we

1089
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: don't get decent production from some of these guys in

1090
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: year one, we're gonna the market's gonna react in a

1091
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: really negative way. And so in that scenario, I'll say, Okay,

1092
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: I'll throw the dart at the Joanah Coleman type instead

1093
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: of the you know, random day two wide receiver type,

1094
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: only because I think there might be more opportunity to

1095
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: flip that down line.

1096
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 3: I think that's great, and I think from the game

1097
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: theory standpoint, this could be where there's a hole in

1098
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: my game because I'm not really looking for these small

1099
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: profit wins, but maybe I should be because in gambling

1100
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: from my outliers, I'm losing a lot of value in

1101
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: that too when they just become the total bus. I

1102
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: just it's so hard for me to try to want

1103
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: that small profit win, especially when I know, like at

1104
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 3: times it's really hard to flip players in Dynasty, even

1105
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: though it seems on surface like they like it's easy

1106
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 3: to do, Like trading is really difficult in some leagues.

1107
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm almost just looking more so to like Rosterbilt,

1108
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: like to get my biggest wins.

1109
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: It's a fair point to make.

1110
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: Because I just pulled up his comps, I couldn't remember

1111
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: exactly who they were, so he had Doug Martin as

1112
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: a comp just that's basically size related.

1113
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 2: But Martin was a better prospect.

1114
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: But then the other two are Zach Stacey and Zach

1115
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: Moss and Stacy not the perfect example.

1116
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: Of that, you know, like that's quite.

1117
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: Literally Zach Stacy, Like, I can see that scenario where cool. Like,

1118
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a very real chance. I said this

1119
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: on my show earlier this week. I think there's a

1120
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: very real chance that after this year, the Dynasty market

1121
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: views Jonah Coleman more and better than R. J.

1122
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: Harvey. Right, I think that's fair.

1123
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in that scenario, knowing that he's not the

1124
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: most like incredible prospect in the world, I think he's

1125
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: just solid. But because of that, you you will have

1126
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity to probably make a profit on it. Let's

1127
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: talk about Nick Singleton, right, So Nick Singleton going to Tennessee.

1128
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's obviously in a crowded backfield this year

1129
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: with Tony Pollard and Taj Spears, but both of them

1130
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: could be gone.

1131
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: Or they're both free agents next year.

1132
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: And you know Brian Dable, you know, you're familiar with

1133
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: the fact that he's used Day three running backs in

1134
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: the past as rod because it's not you know.

1135
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: An unknown for him.

1136
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: I think Singleton personally, my evaluation thought that he had

1137
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: a higher ceiling than a GUALI Joanah Coleman.

1138
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: But what do you see with with Singleton.

1139
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: Singleton's a fun one because I always liked the prospects

1140
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 3: where opposite side of consensus on and this is one

1141
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 3: of them. Because everybody hated Nick Singleton in the community,

1142
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: in the film community, and I lit any community you ask.

1143
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: I liked him. I liked his tape. I thought he

1144
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: had good zero to sixty speed, good stop and start.

1145
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: I thought he did a great job in zone runs

1146
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: of setting up the zones and then and and you know,

1147
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 3: using that assessing skill to create a lane for himself.

1148
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: But mostly what I liked the bat him from a

1149
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: fantasy standpoint. I broke this down with Jacob is he

1150
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: was by far and away to me, the highest end

1151
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: reps of pass production on tape. He had reps where

1152
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: he was decleting people in the backfield as a pass

1153
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: productor and as a receiver. He was really natural when

1154
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 3: it came to such the football like he looked like

1155
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: what could be the best receiving running back, even though

1156
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: that's not outside of love obviously, even though it wasn't

1157
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: necessarily in his profiles, more just watching the tape and

1158
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 3: kind of making it an assessment based on the skill set,

1159
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 3: so from a passing game standpoints where I get really excited,

1160
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: But that again was for like a small win type

1161
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: of thing, Like don't I see him as mostly like

1162
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: a passing down back who can have a couple create

1163
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: a couple of exposive plays here and there, mostly in

1164
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 3: the twenty to thirty range rather than the forty to

1165
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 3: sixty range and beyond in the run game. So it's

1166
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 3: another player where like I see him really shooting up

1167
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: these Dynasty rookie drafts and I'm like, I don't know

1168
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: if I could ever make that gam well for me,

1169
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: it's tough though JJ I'm very anti running back in Dynasty,

1170
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to adjust that. Yeah that I'm trying

1171
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: to just improve on that because I don't like that

1172
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: about my process, like I need. I almost feel like

1173
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 3: it is a little bit biased and I over And

1174
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 3: this is similar in like, like I think when you

1175
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 3: do that from a game theory standpoint, you kind of

1176
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: limit yourself and you limit your stealing because running backs

1177
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: ultimately are the position that if you hit right, are

1178
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: most valuable to your team. So I don't want to

1179
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: use that against him, but I I he's hit him

1180
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: and Coleman from here the two most perplexing just from

1181
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: where they're ranked overall in Dynasty right now?

1182
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, makes sense.

1183
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: And I want to ask you about Chris Bell because

1184
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: he's been going really, really high. Yeah, obviously has the ACL.

1185
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting pretty sick of the AJ Brown comps. But

1186
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: where are you at with Bell?

1187
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: So Bell is a player I liked more pre draft

1188
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 3: than post draft, if that makes sense, because post draft

1189
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: I'm fighting against all the people who are pushing him

1190
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: up because of the situation which I didn't really want

1191
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: to happen. I want him to be drafted into a

1192
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: quote unquote bad situation with a good quarterback that people

1193
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 3: are oh, it's so crowded, and let him have time

1194
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: to develop because I think now you have to draft

1195
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: him at a price point where I'm open to it

1196
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: because I have him ranked so high because I actually

1197
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: liked to I liked his tape. I like it's more

1198
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: so the skill set that I like. It's similar to shribbling.

1199
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: It's these guys who can win on the over routes.

1200
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: That's where everything is made today in the NFL. I

1201
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: think Jacob just put up great stats on this Yesterday,

1202
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: the difference in the NFL from an EPA standpoint on

1203
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: passes thrown over the middle versus outside the numbers. It's

1204
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: staggering because again, what makes total sense to us, right

1205
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 3: with where the NFL is moving metalwise, so many teams

1206
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: are just copying Fangio or Fangio principal defenses with middle

1207
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 3: of the field open, meaning there's not a one high

1208
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: safety closing the field. It's either cover two, Cover three,

1209
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 3: cover six, regardless the middle of the field is open.

1210
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: They're split safety looks. So that's where you have to win.

1211
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: But it requires timing, It requires a quarterback who can

1212
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: anticipate throw with velocity and ball play them. But guys

1213
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: like Bell who can win quick and explosively and powerfully

1214
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: over the middle like that are gonna be the guys

1215
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 3: that I think can produce consistently at the NFL level.

1216
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: So I do like his skill set as it translates,

1217
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm just not thrilled about the price.

1218
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree, Like I thought that he was like,

1219
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 1: like he's solid prospect from like just like a median standpoint,

1220
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: but like obviously the ceiling, Like it's interesting because he's

1221
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: one of those players where analytically he was just fine,

1222
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have like crazy red flags or crazy

1223
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: green flags. But realistically, I think when I watch him

1224
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: and what I think about his his archetype and how

1225
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: that translates the NFL, he's actually just like wildly volatile,

1226
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: like the ceiling is.

1227
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: Really high, the floor is really low.

1228
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: You know, of course, like a prospect like yeah, I

1229
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: could give to Jonathan Mingo route, but maybe it goes

1230
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: into like a A J.

1231
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: Brown, like you know, diet AJ Brown, you know route

1232
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: or something like that.

1233
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: So that that's why I think that his ADP is fine,

1234
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: just because you know, again, everyone's gonna be pretty rough

1235
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: in that range.

1236
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: At least he has like a like you can you

1237
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: can squid and see that ceiling, you know what I mean.

1238
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: That's fair, totally fair.

1239
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: But on any late round rookie picks this year that

1240
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: that you're eyeing.

1241
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 3: I saw this question, I'm going to go real late.

1242
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: Is that alright?

1243
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: Of course, yes, we're degenerates here a point where.

1244
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: Most leagues you're probably not gonna have to draft any

1245
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: of these players, but I would add them to your rosters.

1246
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 3: Start with a guy who I called out as my

1247
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: biggest sleeper pre draft thought he would go in round five,

1248
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 3: six or seven, and then the team gave him I

1249
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: believe round two draft capital, which is insane. I might

1250
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: have been round three, though you can correct me on that.

1251
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: The Houston Texans selected tight end Marlin Klein in the

1252
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 3: second round. I believe was that two or three where

1253
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: they got It wasn't two.

1254
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: It might have been two.

1255
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: It never thought he would be drafted until day three.

1256
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: But I loved him because here's an example of a

1257
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: player whose production profile is horrible. At Michigan, he didn't

1258
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: catch many passes at all at any point. But when

1259
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: I just watched him, I was like, this guy moves differently.

1260
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: This guy can move both on the horizontals the over routes,

1261
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: but also he had some vertical element to his game.

1262
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 3: He's explosive in and out of his cuts. He can

1263
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: sell routes well. I feel like he can develop into

1264
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: a really good route runner. I think the Texans really

1265
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: viewed him as somebody who could win routes for us,

1266
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 3: like somebody can just separate and get open and win

1267
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: in the red zone. And I'm so intrigued by him

1268
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 3: now that he had second round capital, because look, if

1269
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: I see the skill set on tape that I like

1270
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: and that I think can translate from a trade standpoint

1271
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 3: to the NFL level, and then they get the capitol too.

1272
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be very excited about that player. So

1273
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 3: he's won for me.

1274
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: Another one.

1275
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep going deep here. Another one, A player

1276
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: that was my sleeper before the draft that got drafted

1277
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: into the best fossil situation I could have asked out

1278
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: of him. Is Kobe Young, the wide receiver out of Georgia.

1279
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: Not Zach Ryer Branch, the other wide receiver. This guy,

1280
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: when you watch him on the tape, he pops. He's

1281
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: explosive on his release off the line of scrimmage for

1282
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 3: a players I think almost six or four. He's either

1283
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 3: six three or six four. You don't typically see guys

1284
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 3: at that height with that kind of release off the

1285
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, and it allows him to stack vertically,

1286
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: it allows him to win on inbreaking routes as well.

1287
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: I just think he's got a really good skill set

1288
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: that was completely hidden by one a junk system at

1289
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: Georgia that just simply was not designed to utilize him

1290
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: at all, and two really bad quarterback play at Georgia,

1291
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 3: which again that was my big thing with like Nico

1292
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: was my big breakout in that class, and I was like, dude.

1293
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: I watched him at the Senior Bowl. He dominated every route.

1294
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: He played a terrible quarterback play at Michigan and an

1295
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: assistant that didn't use him. Let's see what happens from

1296
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: a trade standpoint, and that one hit, there's missus. Of

1297
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: course when you go this route too, I'm not just

1298
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: gonna highlight them. There'll be more missus than hits. Yeah,

1299
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: way more missus than hits. But that's another one for me.

1300
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 3: Colby Young drafted to the Bengals, You give him Joe Burrow.

1301
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: Maybe this is what everyone wanted the Alabama receiver to

1302
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: be that yeah Burton, Yeah, that just couldn't stay and

1303
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: stay awaken meetings or whatever it was. And then the

1304
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 3: last one for me, I'll give is another just super

1305
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: super deep sleeper. J Michael Sturdivan. He actually was at

1306
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: Florida last but I wasn't back and watched his UCLA tape.

1307
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: I really liked his ability to stack on the vertical plane,

1308
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: get vertical and then once he wins vertically, which he

1309
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 3: can do with his speed. He was subbed for four.

1310
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: But also just with his technique to the release off

1311
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and the stacking, he's really good. Like

1312
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: he'll extend for these crazy highlight catches, he'll high point

1313
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: the football. It's like he'll win once he wins vertically

1314
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: with the separation, he'll also win at the catchpoint. And

1315
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: the Packers drafted him like this is just the Packers

1316
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 3: and the Steelers to me are the two teams that

1317
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 3: scout the receiver position the best by far in the

1318
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: NFL historically over the last ten to fifteen years. And

1319
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: maybe is falling a little with the Steelers lately. I

1320
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 3: guess like they're not as good as they were once

1321
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: were during like the Mike Wallace days and things like that.

1322
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 3: But you know, that's another player that I can see

1323
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: totally developing to a fantasy role where he's popping off.

1324
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: He's on waiver wires and now all of a sudden,

1325
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: this guy who wasn't drafted in your dynasty drafts is

1326
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: on every roster.

1327
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah he uh, he definitely had. He broke my my

1328
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: spreadsheets with his name. I love that with the way

1329
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: it's formatted.

1330
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 2: But yeah, he did, he did. I was wondering where

1331
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: he ended up going.

1332
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: It was it was Green Bay as an undrafted so

1333
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: good call outs as some deep sleepers for us. All right,

1334
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: real quick, we only about five minutes left. Let's talk

1335
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: about a veteran winner and loser from a fantasy football

1336
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: perspective stemming from the draft.

1337
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: Okay, veteran winner the biggest one for me, and this

1338
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: is not just because you could see the background. It

1339
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: has to be Camp Skyadaway, right, Like, yeah, all off

1340
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 3: season the discussion was are gonna take Jill, They're gonna

1341
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: draft over, They're gonna sign Ken Walker. None of that happened.

1342
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: The Giants didn't even draft a single running back at all.

1343
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 3: And what we saw last year was clear Camp's Gottabo

1344
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: missed all the preseason with injury and then immediately took

1345
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 3: over as the lead back role. There was no question,

1346
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: there was no discussion. He was the guy because he

1347
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: was the best in pass downs, he was the best

1348
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 3: on rundowns, and he offered something as a receiver that

1349
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 3: even though Tracy was a former receiver, he can't offer Scatta,

1350
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 3: who's a much better outrunner than Tracy. So I think, look,

1351
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: if he proves himself healthy, and so far, the signs

1352
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: are good. He's already sprinting. If he comes back and

1353
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 3: he's himself, he's going to be the lead back again

1354
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: on a team where you know, we're talking about Tracy,

1355
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: we're talking about Singletary. But the reality is this is

1356
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: camp Scattabho's offense. All they've done is helped the situation

1357
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: around him. They brought a Malachi Fields who might be

1358
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: used as a power slot, which would be amazing for

1359
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: the run game. Obviously Patrick Ricard, who's going to be

1360
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 3: helpful in the run game. So and they added Francis

1361
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: and they obviously their tenth overall pick. Francis Malnoa is

1362
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: the best was what I thought was the best run

1363
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 3: blocking guard in this class, whole playguard for the Giants.

1364
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 3: He played tap two down the line. Maybe, So it's

1365
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 3: Scataboo for me? Is the biggest winner the biggest loser?

1366
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 3: Let me think of the biggest loser out of this draft.

1367
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: I could just go with like it's kind of a

1368
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: cop out, but can we just go with Tyler Algier? Yeah,

1369
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 3: you know he's technically the biggest loser, right, Yeah, that's.

1370
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: A that's a very very quick loser.

1371
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's not really a draft where you have

1372
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: the direct losers as much.

1373
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 2: So I did to show the late round fantas Football

1374
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 2: show on winners already, and I'm doing losers next week.

1375
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: So i haven't even dug into like who would be

1376
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: on that list necessarily. But I think that part of

1377
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: the reason why it's harder to come up with those

1378
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: names is because the running back class was so weak,

1379
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: and that's usually the position that would just replace you know,

1380
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: another running back and and make it so, you know,

1381
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: not as well, like at least when you add a

1382
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: wide receiver, like maybe you could say Chris Alave was

1383
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: a loser of some sort just because like he's splitting

1384
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: more work, but it's like, I mean they're gonna work

1385
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: together there.

1386
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 2: That's a it's a good match from that perspective.

1387
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: Or you know, you could say like Wandell Robinson is

1388
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: somewhat of a loser because of carneal tape, but it's

1389
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: like but he's still they're yeah, they're not playing the

1390
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: same position, really, you know, it's not And like even

1391
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: where like Makai Lemon when it was like, I don't know,

1392
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: it's just there's just not as much of that one

1393
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: to one, even like Garrett Wilson with Kenyon Sadik and

1394
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: Omar Cooper hypothetically a loser, but like, at the same time,

1395
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: we're looking at prospects that are questionable that we don't

1396
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: even know what kind of role they're going to play,

1397
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: and so are we really going to call him out

1398
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: as a loser. So that's probably why we had the reaction.

1399
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 2: They didn't feel the way.

1400
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, all right, before I let you go, who's

1401
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: one player. It's early May, okay, so so you don't

1402
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: have to you know, this can change. But who's one

1403
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: player that you think you're going to be drafting a

1404
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: ton of this year?

1405
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: It's going to be another deep cut, but it is

1406
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: what it is. I am going to be drafting the

1407
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: most of So I want exposure to the Chargers offense.

1408
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 3: I believe, wrongly, this is going to be one of

1409
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: the best offense in the NFL. It's gonna cost a

1410
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 3: lot to get hamped in, It's gonna cost a lot

1411
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: to get Conky, It's going to cost a lot to

1412
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: get Herbert. I want Trey Harris. Trey Harris is a

1413
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 3: player who's film I absolutely ignored and obviously there's a

1414
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: little bit of bias because I watched more Trey Harris

1415
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: tape than any other receiver in last year's class because

1416
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 3: of Jackson Dart. Obviously, Ginning drafted the Giants, but his

1417
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: ability to get in at he reminded me so much

1418
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: of what I watched with Terry McLaurin in Ohio State,

1419
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: the ability to get in and out of his breaks

1420
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: at the top of his route, and then all we've

1421
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: seen since, to me is overwhelmingly positive. First of all,

1422
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: the Chargers used him not just as the X receiver

1423
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: like was used at Ole Miss. They used him all

1424
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 3: over and when they were asked about it in week

1425
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: by the coordinators, I'm listening to these conversations, They're like, yeah,

1426
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: he's proven he can do everything. Is the way that

1427
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: he shows up and prepares, he can play every role

1428
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: in our offense. Then they started using him in the

1429
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: red zone and he was featured there a little bit

1430
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: and made some big plays there. I just think that

1431
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: he's going to breakouts in this mc McDaniel system because

1432
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: he fits the system so well. And ultimately it is

1433
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 3: going to be tough because there's guys, there's so many

1434
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: players on this team from a skill position standpoint, I

1435
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: don't ultimately know even like Brandon Thompson, who they drafted

1436
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 3: for Mike McDaniel. But Trey Harris to me, is someone

1437
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 3: whose tape I love, the fit I love, and I

1438
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 3: just love his trajectory, Like he played much different role

1439
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: than I expecting your own. I think he wasn't just

1440
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 3: the sacrificial X.

1441
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to be fair, I think that there

1442
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: are like you said, there's a lot of weapons and

1443
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: stuff on there, but they're not super established, you know,

1444
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: like to me, like I love Lad, Like I think

1445
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: that he could blow up this year and have a

1446
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: great season, and I you know, I love this offense

1447
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: and investing in it. They get their tackles back and

1448
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: their offensive line is gonna look so much better.

1449
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: Like that's huge with what's gonna happen.

1450
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: Like like justin Herbert's really really undervalued even right now.

1451
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, like like to me, if you're gonna throw,

1452
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: like you might as well throw some darts because I

1453
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: think it's still pretty wide open outside of Lad, you know,

1454
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: like new offensive coordinator things, things will look a lot different.

1455
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 1: And then so all of a sudden, you know, there's

1456
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: that opportunity for a player like Trey Harris to step.

1457
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 3: Up, and everyone's expecting this offense to look a lot

1458
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: like the recent McDaniel offenses we thought we saw, But

1459
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: I think that's just recency buyas. I think it's gonna

1460
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: look like the early two of days, where like these

1461
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 3: receivers are running these deep incuts and just getting wide

1462
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 3: open and Herbert's is diming them up with velocity and

1463
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 3: just looks awesome.

1464
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1465
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: I think that the last couple of years we've we

1466
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: saw McDaniel switch things up. The offensive line was so

1467
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: bad and Tua, yeah right, and Tua couldn't do and

1468
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: that's why we saw John hw Smith do what he

1469
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: did and like the devon a Chang, get like a

1470
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: twenty two percent target shair and stuff, because that's what

1471
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: they were forced to do.

1472
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: Just give in personnel.

1473
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: You have the literal opposite problem now right where the

1474
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: offensive lines can can handle it as long as they're

1475
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: healthy and justin Herbert is one of the best that

1476
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: just in general, but also being able to get the

1477
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: ball down the field exactly.

1478
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: Dude, this was awesome.

1479
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: Let everyone know what you're working on, where they can

1480
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: find you, and where they can get more of your analysis.

1481
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm just going to shout out one thing.

1482
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: There's a few things I work on, but we really

1483
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Speaker 3: and if you enjoy anything you've heard today, please check

1485
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1487
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Speaker 3: We are just over a thousand subscribers. We started about

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Speaker 3: like that, you'll get discussions like this, but even more

1493
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: because Jacob Gibbs, I call him the star of the show.

1494
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: I'm more of the host, but I bring a film aspect.

1495
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: He brings the data, the analytics, the film. He's just,

1496
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: to me, one of the hardest workers in the business.

1497
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Speaker 3: So I'm trying to match his energy. JJ It's hard

1498
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Speaker 3: to do. I think this guy just doesn't sleep. He

1499
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 3: just watched his tape and studies fantasy. But we've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of good content over there. I think you'll enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, And I'm gonna be hopping on your show

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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have it. We'll have a good discussion there.

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Speaker 2: I always love chopping up with Gibbs as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, just just rekindle and and talk about

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Speaker 1: you know, are the good old days and number fire

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Speaker 1: back in the.

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Speaker 2: Day when I would criticize his work and have to

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Speaker 2: love like that. But yeah, I appreciate you hopping on

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Speaker 2: and and chopping up. Man. It was really awesome analysis

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Speaker 2: and really great talking to you.

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Speaker 1: As always, guys, check out late round dot com make

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Speaker 1: sure you were looking at that Prospect guide still available

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Speaker 1: for order, all updated.

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Speaker 2: It will help you out with your rookie drafts all

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Speaker 2: that good stuff. Otherwise, as always, thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: People moved the Continent tap into the PAS