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Speaker 1: And you're like, all right, bro, that's a cheat code.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that, you know. Don't come over here

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Speaker 2: being funny. I'm gonna have to kill this man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you ain't funny to me, bitch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ain't funny. This clock.

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Speaker 1: Empty the clip on your big But I'll take you down.

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Speaker 2: Fuck, it's me and you. I don't give a ship

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Speaker 3: That's a chips in your eas Quali bears are racist,

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Speaker 3: the player Fox, the money turning stuff. Y'all can't tell me.

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Speaker 1: I want to get with you, but I can't right now.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, Girland, that's the issue.

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Speaker 1: Through the phone.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of My I've Told Me.

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Speaker 1: The podcast when we dive deep, deep into the pockets

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Speaker 1: of black cospiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: And we finally work to prove that if you connect

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Speaker 2: the dots on Morgan Freeman's face, it is a interstellar

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Speaker 2: celestial map pointing directly to the black planet that Public

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Speaker 2: Enemy told y'all to be feared about. I'm David Borden, WHOA.

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Speaker 1: I'm like snick Herman, and okay, let me let me

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Speaker 1: make sure I'm understanding this correctly.

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Speaker 2: Get it.

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Speaker 1: Public Enemy tells us of a planet of black people.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, this legendary black planet in their in their music.

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Speaker 1: And then Morgan Freeman is actually the source, the the map,

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Speaker 2: He's the fifth element for black people. Fuck, he's our

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Speaker 2: And it's not He's not the first one. There's always

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Speaker 1: I like this because it does imply that this is

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Speaker 1: now get the fuck out of here. We're not We're

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Speaker 2: It's like the Knights of Templar for niggas.

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Speaker 1: Whoa damn hell. Yeah, thanks, I'm in, Thank you, I'm in.

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Speaker 1: And if I meet him, I'm gonna start drawing on

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, excuse me, mister, doctor Freeman. You've got

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Speaker 2: Somebody gave him one.

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Speaker 1: You've been on this earth too long not to be

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Speaker 1: a doctor. With that voice, Doctor Morgan Freeman, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Exactly. My plan is to become good friends with him

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Speaker 2: When the child gets old enough to sit on his lap,

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, see. My only issue with that take is

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Speaker 1: Bory commissions young, young, and old people to foot race

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Speaker 1: Him a race, make people race each other.

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Speaker 2: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, we might have to cut it down.

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Speaker 2: Watching these little bitches popped the ass.

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Speaker 5: If your prayers include any of those things, it's not

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Speaker 5: be continued in my saying. We could ask motherfucking ways.

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Speaker 1: Think you should label that one the Lord or it's

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Speaker 2: Got to tat it on my chest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel similarly. I think there's literally no pictures

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Speaker 2: And where is he from? England?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. God damn it. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: lengths than more, David and more. My mama told me, you.

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Speaker 2: Think the bigger the booty, the finer idiot, And now

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Speaker 3: She walked switching that big old booty and all that,

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Speaker 3: it ain't nothing but do.

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Speaker 1: It ain't nothing but do do in here either. You

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Speaker 2: My mama told me, we're talking about the possibility of

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Speaker 1: that weird sort of like trifecta area that the song

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00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: of the Sound of Music was you know, them Niggas was.

442
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: Right around that Bavaria.

443
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: No, yeah, come on, man, what are you trying to

444
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: put pressure on me that you know I didn't know

445
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: the answer to.

446
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 2: Wow, it's very pretty Oh you're.

447
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: Looking it up. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, well, that's that's where

448
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: his fucking six times. Granddaddy is from right, and they

449
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: say that that place apparently was a very popular destination

450
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: for African traders, and it creates an increased likelihood that

451
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: someone from there would have African ancestry. That it's very

452
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: likely based off of just being from that place, that

453
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: is great great great great great great great grandfather was

454
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: of African descent. In some way.

455
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: I love the idea of these African traders, like I'm

456
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: gonna go up to Germany sell these spices, get a

457
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: little pussy.

458
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna knock down a bitch. I'm playing some

459
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: seed and I'm riding out of there.

460
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be back till, you know, next season

461
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: when he needs some oil or whatever.

462
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: The I'm gonna lift up my baby in her and

463
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: get the fuck out down here. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be

464
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: gone before the devil knows.

465
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: I notuse You're just cool like this.

466
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: Yeah there was a fly. Oh I was chewing your

467
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: joke away. If that's how you took it.

468
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: I thought you were like a grandpa.

469
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: No, I was like, oh, David, you are some.

470
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: So.

471
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Additionally, besides, like this very loose lineage that they attempt

472
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: to trace for him, which even if that is true,

473
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: this motherfucker would have been barely black, right, Yeah, big

474
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: as l but it's not very dark. Biggest goddamn fuck.

475
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: Anyways.

476
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: The additional evidence there's this famous writer that was from

477
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: his time, right from Mozart's time, This dude, Johann Wolfgang

478
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: von Goeth. And why aren't we naming our kids like

479
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: this anymore?

480
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I like that a lot.

481
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty fucking cool. Johann Wolfgang von Goeth Goth.

482
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I say some of this ship,

483
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: maybe Chris, it could be its g O E. T

484
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: h e Keith Gith g wolf Gang von Rick Ross

485
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: sound Luck nine thousand described Mozart as the Blackamore's delight.

486
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: That that is how he described him. Now, when I

487
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: heard that, it became very unclear to me he was

488
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: saying that he's black or if he's saying like this

489
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: is like a Bobby Caldwell situation, right, and niggas just

490
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: like him a lot. You know what I mean?

491
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: It sounds like a candy Yeah, you know what, like

492
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: a candy in like the Lion the Witch on the world.

493
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: It's like a big old fruit punch that you suck on.

494
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like in the in the in the in

495
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: the can with the can opener, remember that this punch.

496
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a real you gotta work for this candy.

497
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: It's fermenting.

498
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: Also, don't drink it straight from the can. You'll go blind.

499
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get real sick.

500
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: That's how they got Ray Charles. He fell into some

501
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: of that Hawaiian punching the can when he's a little kid.

502
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was eating all that that Blackamore's delight.

503
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: As long as it's clean, I'll eat the black bush delight.

504
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: Ah.

505
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

506
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 1: And so that's that's the other piece of evidence. There

507
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: are a few others. So another writer, Henry Gretrey, also

508
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: described Mozart as quote unquote the little Negro, and then

509
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Mozart's biographer Herman Abert wrote that Mozart had a somewhat

510
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: negroid appearance.

511
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: See, and this is interesting to me because like, you

512
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: know how you mean some people and you're like, man,

513
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: I think there's some in there. You think it was

514
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: like that kind of a thing. I think so, because

515
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: it sounds like the characteristics must be at least broad

516
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: nose and big lips, right, like to even get that.

517
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like that Michelle Wolf shit right.

518
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: Right, what if it was just like he could dance,

519
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: that's an I don't know what I saw him hooping yesterday.

520
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Mozart just had hoop shorts underneath his tails. They're like, nah,

521
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: a game could break out anywhere. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

522
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: He took the powdered wig off. He said, it's time

523
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: to go.

524
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: The music is cool, but ball, it's life. I'm trying

525
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: to hoop.

526
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: I mean that second one, those dudes seem very You

527
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: don't get that on accident, you know what I'm.

528
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: Saying, Like if you're a little negro, like.

529
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call Michelle Wolf the little negro.

530
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: No, and she would like it if you did. But no,

531
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: you don't give her that. But like you know what

532
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like that's like a very.

533
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: That.

534
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: That's that's very that. That seems like a tell to me.

535
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: That feels big.

536
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: M h.

537
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: So the other piece of evidence that I actually think

538
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: might be maybe the most substantial piece of information that

539
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: I came across and reading about this ship is, uh,

540
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: there was actually this dude, a a I guess contemporary

541
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: of Mozart, although apparently he came first, but there was

542
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: this French black musician named Joseph Bolonne Chevalier de Saint George's.

543
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just made a movie about him, did they. Yeah,

544
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: I think it might still be in theaters.

545
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh shit, yeah, the Chevalier, Yeah Chevalier. Am I saying

546
00:30:59,200 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: it wrong?

547
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: You're did you think it was Chevalier?

548
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was like, I think it was a Chevy Cavalier.

549
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: Chevy Cavalier got a movie about him. But that dude

550
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: apparently was sort of the uh. They often referred to

551
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: him as the black Mozart because he was composed the

552
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: first black classical composer in history, and he's considered a

553
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: major influence on Mozart, Like Mozart looked to him as

554
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker he fucks with, right.

555
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: And it's like an Elvis situation.

556
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: That's the problem, right, is that they call him the

557
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: black Mozart, but he technically came before Mozart or they

558
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: at least like existed at the same time. But because

559
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: he was definitively a black man, a black man who

560
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: came out of slavery and in the Caribbean and shit,

561
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: they basically he couldn't reach the popularity that Mozart could reap,

562
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: and so Mozart, despite the fact that they probably are

563
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: contemporaries of each other and maybe even rivals. In some sense,

564
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Mozart gets all the acclaim as like the dude sort

565
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: of inventing this cool, fucking, amazing style of shit, when

566
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: in fact, my boy Chevy Cavalier was doing it the

567
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: whole time, right.

568
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: And then like twenty years later, at the Hip Hop

569
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Honors Award, Mozart is like, hey, I couldn't have done

570
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: it without Chevy Cavalier. Yeah, you know, Cavalier's back. He's

571
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, his life is not going good.

572
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Nah, he's down bad baby, but he gets that shout

573
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: out and he's like, see I told you and Joe

574
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: Dumbas yeah yeah.

575
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: His wife is like, are you gonna take out the trash?

576
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: He's like, bitch, I could have been somebody.

577
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: Them little shout outs don't feed your family, Chevy Cavalier.

578
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: No.

579
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: And so I do think in some ways maybe this

580
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: black Mozart story, this history of Mozart being a black man,

581
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: is in fact a conflation of the literal black quote

582
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: unquote black Mozart that did exist, and we we just

583
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: ignore because history made it that way.

584
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I that that is fair. I do wonder about though

585
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: the direct descriptions of it are interesting. Maybe it's like,

586
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: uh now, the more I'm thinking about it, though, like

587
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: the idea of saying his face was negroid, that's almost

588
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: how you know he wasn't black, right, Like, you don't

589
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: have to describe my face as that because that's what.

590
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: It looks like, right that they're sort of like just

591
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: just trying to describe a funny looking man to them

592
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: by using what they consider to be funny looking, which

593
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: is negro features.

594
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Right right, right right, I mean you put the funny

595
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: thing on it.

596
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to speak for the people of

597
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: the time period, not that I think that black people

598
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: look funny looking. Yeah, oh facts, Come on, let me

599
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: be clear. I don't think all of y'all are beautiful.

600
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I think some of y'all very odd. But I don't

601
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: think that's a racial thing as much as a specific.

602
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: That's a familiar thing. And it's like, yeah, I've never

603
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: seen Craig mackin a leprecha in the same room.

604
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Come on, Sam, because what you got, yo, that's a

605
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: weird face. But no, I it does seem like there

606
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: may be is a little bit of a conflation here,

607
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: and Mozart is Elvis to Chevy Cavaliers, little Richard.

608
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: Damn, that's a that's a that that makes it also

609
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: really it tales all this time.

610
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel more honest that way.

611
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. History repeats itself over and over again as we

612
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: find all the time, and that feels like that right.

613
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: Now. I did also want to look up the Beethoven question, because,

614
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: like I said, Beethoven was the thing that I'm more

615
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: cowered the the suggestion I more commonly heard when I

616
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: was a kid, And as it turns out, that almost

617
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: has sort of an identical level of proof that it

618
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: mostly is people sort of like suggesting that he had

619
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 1: like negro Ish features. At one point, there's a little

620
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: more definitive proof that he's just Flemish and not necessarily

621
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: a black man, but a lot of people sort of

622
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: saying he had like a black quality about him and

623
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: all of that shit. That said, the Beethoven being black

624
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: actually has a more substantial historical imprint than I realized.

625
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: So there's this dude, this dude, Samuel Coleridge Taylor, who

626
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: was this mixed British composer. He was half black British

627
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: composer who started speculating that Beethoven.

628
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Was huh oh, I was just gonna say to Bridgman,

629
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: getting interracial for a minute.

630
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they ended slavery way before we did, and

631
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: they were like, we did it for a reason. We

632
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: talked to fuck on each other all that ass in

633
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: those bridges, in those pantaloons.

634
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: That's how they get you.

635
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 2: So who's okay, go ahead, sorry, I got you.

636
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: No, this is that's exactly what you're meant to do this.

637
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: Samuel Coleridge Taylor in nineteen oh seven starts speculating that

638
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: Beethoven was black. His theory is mostly driven by him

639
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: seeing pictures of Beethoven and saying that they shared a

640
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: lot of the same features that Basically, he looks at

641
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: Beethoven and goes, there's no way this dude, if he

642
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: were born in our era, would be depicted the way

643
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: that he's being depicted in a lot of these other

644
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: pictures because of how much we look alike, both in

645
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: skin color and the wideness of our nose, the thickness

646
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: of our lips, all the shit. Right, So he starts

647
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: spreading this rumor, and this rumor catches fire in sort

648
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: of like this underground way, so much so that it

649
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: actually becomes a major talking point in the civil rights

650
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: movement that like during the era of like like our

651
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: civil rights movement in the sixties and seventies, we're seeing

652
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: our fifties and sixties more. We're seeing people like Malcolm

653
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: X and Stokely Carmichael use Beethoven was Black as a

654
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: talking point in their speeches and in sort of like

655
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: their advocacy for black civil rights. And specifically they're not

656
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: saying it on some like scientific shit like yo, we

657
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: here's the evidence, as much as they are using it

658
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Speaker 1: as sort of like a metaphor for the greatness of

659
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Speaker 1: black people and the manipulation of black history. So they're

660
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: using what ultimately is a rumor as a weapon of

661
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: choice to basically be like, yo, our whole history as

662
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Speaker 1: a human race, our greatest shit comes from Black people,

663
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: and the fact that y'all can't acknowledge our humanity is

664
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: your brokenness, not ours.

665
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Speaker 2: I do love that. I'm in hell.

666
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love.

667
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: Some good rhetoric.

668
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it did feel like that when I read it,

669
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: where it was like, damn, I don't know that there's

670
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: ever gonna be the definitive proof of these guys being black.

671
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad at it being a piece of

672
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: rhetoric for the growth, the effectiveness, the salvation of our people,

673
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: right that, Like, if this is just functions as a

674
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: reminder that none of our history is necessarily proven and

675
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: they could be black, then y'all, motherfuckers better take that

676
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: seriously and treat us with the same respect you treat

677
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Speaker 1: your greatest composers.

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Speaker 2: Right I get. My question is, so for this to

679
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: a PSU did a pretty long time, what is it

680
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: that made this fart? Like for it to be a

681
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: talking point just fifty years, sixty years ago? Was there

682
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: some type of proof that came out to make it

683
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: irrelevant in the last couple weeks, Like what took this

684
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: out of fashion?

685
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that it has been taken out of fashion.

686
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess we've heard about it, and we've

687
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: heard about it in the same type of context, right

688
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: as it being like a hey, you know, which feels

689
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: like what it was always you know what I mean?

690
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: I think that's that's sort of the point, right is

691
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: that like it cannot it can only go out of

692
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: fashion if we stop repeating it to each other. And

693
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: I think the reality is there is neither proof in

694
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: either case. There is no proof that they are black,

695
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: but there is no proof that they are not black.

696
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: And all we can do is trace like family lineage

697
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: and weird cartoons of these motherfuckers to decide whether or

698
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Speaker 1: not they are in fact black.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that okay, I will. I do want to

700
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: say that I think, even though I just said I

701
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: do like the rhetoric, I think there is a slippery

702
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: slope of trying to use greatness to justify what should

703
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: be just basic human decency or whatever, you know what

704
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I don't think that we have to

705
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: be the greatest composer to ever.

706
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Live to deserve.

707
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: An equal piece of the pie. And I sometimes I

708
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: get worried of that type of thing where it's like

709
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Speaker 2: we want to take someone because they're great to justify

710
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: what should we should just be getting.

711
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Speaker 1: Anyways, Yeah, I don't disagree with you. I do sometimes

712
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: find myself feeling frustrated by black people's want to sort

713
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: of like prove our ownership inside of history as a

714
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: way of life, I guess, advocating for ourselves when in fact,

715
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: it should just be y know, we are human and

716
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: therefore deserving of all of the things that every other

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00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: human deserves.

718
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 2: Because it also feels like trying to satisfy white standards

719
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Speaker 2: and things.

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Speaker 1: That said, I don't know that they can hear it

721
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: any other way, and so I do recognize that, like,

722
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: especially if we're talking about like the civil rights movement,

723
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: it's sort of like this, this attempt to advocate for

724
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: a group of people that, like literally the law is saying,

725
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: are not people, or at least not the same level

726
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: of people. I recognize where this holds value. It just

727
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: feels a little cornier. In twenty twenty three, we still

728
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: got to be like Beethoven was black because like Nigga,

729
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't listen to Beethoven. Yeah, I don't give a

730
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: fuck about mozarts, you know what I mean, I don't

731
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: none of that means anything. Yeah, it's like I don't.

732
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't need them too. Yeah, And I shouldn't need

733
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods to be able to like exists, especially given

734
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: how little he fucks with anything I am and represent.

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00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly exactly. But all that, oh yeah, all that

736
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: being said, I'm for this one. Yeah fuck yeah, sure, man, Yeah,

737
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: maybe I'm gonna start telling people. I'm gonna tell people

738
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: both of them. I'm gonna add some other ones.

739
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: But boo, dumb, blind deaf men who made I guess

740
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: the greatest songs of all time, apparently six hundred of them.

741
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: We're black as hell, and and y'all can't say otherwise,

742
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: prove it if they ain't.

743
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: I think that movie that is the because I saw

744
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: the ad for the movie, and I feel like there's

745
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: a scene where he like shows up in corn rows

746
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: and they're.

747
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: Like, they're like, Chevy, what are you doing it? Oh no,

748
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch I'll watch it.

749
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: I'll report back. That's a curse on your house. All

750
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: of your people will drive mediocre cars until they are

751
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: running to the ground.

752
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: Hey, but the newer car. It's like if you get

753
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: a new car and still.

754
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: Got some good ship Chevy Cavalier, any new car.

755
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: You ever met a guy who has a new mid

756
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: range car and he's always just like, buddy.

757
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: Have I I'm a new mid range car kind of man.

758
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: What do you got? I thought you were. I thought

759
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 2: you'd be driving something saucy.

760
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: No, I stay in a Honda Civic. Baby, really, Now

761
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: we do we have a like a you know, a

762
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: better car for that we bought. But for the Yeah, no,

763
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do I don't want that pressure

764
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: on me. But it's not crazy. I ain't do nothing crazy.

765
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: But it is like a nicer more like, you know,

766
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: whatever kind of vehicle. But that said, what I prefer

767
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: is I love a good ass Honda Civic.

768
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the day to day they're they're built for major use.

769
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: Come on, that's the point. They're like a fleet fleet vehicle.

770
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Fuck you all right?

771
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, bug, just flewing my goddamn I in my own home. No,

772
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: shut a window, bro, No, it's fruitflies. Oh man, Yeah,

773
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta nip that in the bud. You

774
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: gotta stop that before it starts. It's too late. These

775
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: motherfuckers run the town.

776
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: Now. I think there's some kind of candle you could get.

777
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: This is good podcasting.

778
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Watching a man lose his eye to a fruit fly.

779
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: You being like, you gotta get a candle, man, Yeah, brother, brother,

780
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: do you have fruit fly candle?

781
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: Obviously someone did not spread to making black cast or.

782
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: Is that your solution for every issue is making black asteroid.

783
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: It's my robot.

784
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: God damn, I'll be honest, I haven't tried it, so

785
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: maybe I'm fucking up.

786
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: Oh it's good. It did bring my beard to life though.

787
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: That's for real. Okay, Yeah, that's for real.

788
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: Well, I think we did it. I think we landed

789
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: this plane. We both are advocating for the possibility of

790
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: blackness in both Mozart and Beethoven, and it sounds like

791
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: we're also plugging fruitfly candles in Jamaican black castor oil. Yeah, yeah, right,

792
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: m yeah. Do you want to tell the people where

793
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: they can find you on what cool shit you have

794
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: going on?

795
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got another month left on my Aluminum Foil tour.

796
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: Come to bring David to plate dot com. The dates

797
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: I got Columbus, Ohio on October fifth, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, October

798
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: sixth and seventh. That's two shows each night. Springfield, Missouri,

799
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Speaker 2: October twelfth, Saint Louis, Missouri, October thirteenth and fourteenth, New

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Speaker 2: York City October twenty first, Worcestern, Massachusetts, October twenty second.

801
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Speaker 2: Kansas City, what's that? I never been there? Kansas City, Missouri,

802
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: October twenty fifth. Suit Falls, South Dakota October twenty Minneapolis, Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: October twenty seventh and twenty eighth. Cool Guy joke eighty

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Speaker 2: seven on Instagram. Come on out, It'll be a good time.

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00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah. Go follow David on his endless tour, And

806
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: as always, you can follow me at Langston Kerman. And

807
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: if you want to see me live, I'll be at

808
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: the House of Comedy in New Westminster October thirteenth and

809
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: October fourteenth, and then I'll be at Dead Crow Comedy

810
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: Room October twentieth and twenty first. November tenth through eleventh,

811
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Speaker 1: I'll be at the Vermont Comedy Club, and then I

812
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: will also be at Hyena's Comedy Club in Dallas, Texas,

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00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: November seventeenth through the eighteenth. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: send us your own drops, if you want to send

815
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Speaker 1: us your own conspiracies, if you want to draw your

816
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: own pictures of what Beethoven and Mozarts might have looked like,

817
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Speaker 1: and you better make sure them dick's are long and

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00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: them asses are fat. When come on, I don't care

819
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: what they're them noses and and lips look like that.

820
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I want big old long dicks and big old fat

821
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Speaker 1: asses on some hips. Come on, make them fit and

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Speaker 1: send it all to my mama pot at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We would love to hear from you and follow us

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Subscribe, I think is what the young people

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Speaker 1: tell you.

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Speaker 2: Like and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: I think like and subscribe. We want to get those

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Speaker 1: numbers up, even though it means we're going to have

829
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Speaker 1: to do something very terrible as a result of this.

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Speaker 1: It's it's eerily close.

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Speaker 2: I've been noticing they go up. The views go up

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Speaker 2: every week to on the thing. That's unfortunate, Like each

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Speaker 2: video has more views, so I'm like, God, it's just catch.

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Speaker 1: The Yeah, it's starting to catch a little bit of fire,

835
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Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate. But we will hold ourselves accountable to

836
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Speaker 1: what we owe. And that's the whole shebang. Bye bitch

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Speaker 1: on he rona born to a fortune.

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Speaker 3: They live me o Christmas Day he put it.

839
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Speaker 1: He died on the cross to take sid away. You

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Speaker 1: take him high, you can't kid him low.

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Speaker 3: You take jac.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you go.

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Speaker 3: The couesn me bronies, my crumb chips in your eighties.

844
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Speaker 3: A Kwala Bears are racist. The hostal Layer host the

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Speaker 3: money versions invented turning stuff. I can't tell me