WEBVTT - Selects: How Personality Tests Work 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.720 Hey, everybody, it's me Josham. For this week's Select, I've 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:08.360 chosen our August twenty seventeen episode on personality tests. It 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.000 turns out that the vast majority of them, maybe all 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.360 of them, are scientifically faulty to at least some degree, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.200 and some of them are just outright made up. This 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.279 can be a real problem if they're being used to 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.840 diagnose you with a mental illness, or hire or fire 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.760 you or put you in jail, and that actually happens. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.840 So dig into this deceptively interesting episode and enjoy it. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.680 And I'm an EENFP. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:39.880 By the way, Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:41.479 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.520 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.400 Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and this 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:55.280 is Stuff you Should Know. 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:57.680 Yeah, just a couple of. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:00:59.360 It. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.640 Jay says, I don't remember what I am. We've taken 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.560 it before. How Stuff Works hosted it years back. Do 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:09.040 you remember. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.920 Yeah, we had, like many companies do, as you'll see, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.800 we had when we were under Discovery's tender wing. They 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.960 paid for someone to come to our office and administer 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.600 the Myers Briggs personality test. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:23.560 At gunpoint. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.880 Yeah, I don't remember, but I'm pretty sure I was 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:27.640 an E N F P. 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.800 I I don't remember what I was. I'll probably say 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.360 like three different things as we go through this one. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.280 Like, just looking at it again, I'm pretty sure I 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.480 was an E N F P. Okay, P stands for 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.480 pisces right where. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:53.400 Yeah, let's see extroverted intuitive. Okay, what is the F 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:56.520 stand for? Feeling pooper? 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.080 Is a spoiler? Yeah, feeling pooper. 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.000 So we're what we're talking about. It sounds like we're 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.120 saying strings of letters. They actually do make sense if 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.920 you're familiar with what Chuck just said, the Myers Briggs 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.960 type inventory, which if you are in corporate America and 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.320 have been a part of corporate America for more than 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.800 probably three years, there's probably a pretty good likelihood that 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.480 you've taken the Myers Briggs type inventory for sure. Like 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.320 it's really widespread. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:26.360 Yeah, I love it. 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.440 I saw something like thirteen percent of companies in America 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.079 use it. It's a lot. 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.280 Yeah, it was it eighty nine of the Fortune one 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:36.720 hundred use it. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.680 Right, And then I saw another stat It was from 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.240 two thousand and one though, So I'm not sure how current. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.440 It is well sixteen years old, right, but they said 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:53.440 that the uh, I think British companies somewhere between ten 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.360 and forty percent of British companies use them, right, So 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.160 I mean it's who knows. It's pretty wild, guess it 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:02.040 sounds like but. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.720 I wonder if they have their own It's. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.560 No, the Myers Briggs Test. They don't call it a test, 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:14.280 as we'll see. Sure, but the test is, it's worldwide, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.000 it's translated into tons of different languages. They and no, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.079 it's it's the Myers Briggs Test. And there's tons of knockoffs. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.000 Oh sure, there's tons of personality tests in general, which 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.400 really is the larger umbrella the Myers Briggs Test falls under. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:31.000 But it's probably the most famous of all time, at 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.839 least as far as pop culture goes. 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.800 Yeah, and we're going to hit on everything from Rorshak 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.040 to the Myers Briggs. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.440 Sure, but we're going to hit on them. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.480 But the MBT I definitely is more of the focus 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.240 of this one because of its ubiquity. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.119 Right, because most people know it, and because it's one 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:53.640 of the overlooked pastimes in the United States to take 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.720 pot shots at the Myers Briggs type inventory. Sure, it's fun. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:05.920 So categorizing one's personality is nothing new, and that's what 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.040 these tests aim to do for various reasons, which we'll 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.640 go over later. But going back, and this was a 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.680 Grabster article, correct, that's right, so you know it's good. Yeah, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.480 And Grabster was just at our show in Toronto. Yeah, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.279 he was for the second time. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.320 He stood up and like, did that victory shake? 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:26.040 Did he do that? 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:26.320 No? 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.080 He did. No, I'm a big fan of that. That's 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:29.599 old school. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.480 Oh it is. It's a good way to go. It 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.240 looks like you should be wearing those dolphin shorts just 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.360 having crossed the finish line and you doing that. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.080 So yeah, it's nothing new trying to categorize personalities. Way 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.719 back in the day, I know, on our Grave Robbing 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.279 Live Grave Robbing episode, we talked about the four humors 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.760 and we talked about him before before medical science was 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.520 kind of a real thing. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.160 It was an early attempt. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.680 Yeah, they talked about the four fluids or the four 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:07.440 humors black bile, yellow bile, phlegm, and blood, uh and 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.520 and imbalance in those will cause disease. But they were 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.960 also this is something I didn't know. These are also 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.400 linked to corresponding personality types. 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.680 Right, Yeah, So like the word melancholy in English, it's 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:27.040 an adaptation of the Greek words I believe for black bile. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.880 There it is, and melancholy personalities were associated with an 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:37.599 overabundance of black bile. And basically your melancholy you're you're 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.520 a depressed person or you're very reserved or quiet. And 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.840 for thousands of years people thought guy's got a lot 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.840 of black bile. Yeah, that explains his personality. The other 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:53.040 ones are pretty pretty interesting too, like phlegmatic. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.360 Uh, phlegmatic. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.040 I've seen flegmatic. I've heard flagmatic. Really, I've seen it too. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.280 So like when you cough something up, do you call 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.120 it flegum? 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.159 Sometimes depends if it had like a lot of extra 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:10.680 chunks in it, it's flag Oh gosh. But phlegmatic, I say, phlegmatic. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.279 That's very laid back. Did you know that? 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.160 Well, Yeah, because I looked all these up. Oh okay, 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.600 because sanguine is one of my favorite words. Yeah, and 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.440 that's this is Hippocrates, by the way. He kind of 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:29.680 further refined these concepts of the temperament. So melancholic, phlegmatic, sanguine, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.320 and what is it choleric. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:37.640 Here coleric, Yeah, choleric, coloric. Choleric is like irritable and 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.320 short and terse and Kurt. 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:40.760 Yeah. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:44.960 But the thing is, there's something weird here, right if 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.800 you are a thinking human being, yes, who is not 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.559 in a vegetative state right now? 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:51.040 Correct? 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.919 And for all we know at this point in medical science, 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.680 maybe even if you are in a vegetative state, you're 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.320 probably thinking, Uh, it doesn't seem like anyone I've ever 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:08.080 met is just phlegmatic or just choleric, or just sanguine 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.120 or just melancholy. Sometimes I'm all four of those things. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.440 Sometimes I go through those things all four in a day, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.200 depending on how weird the day is. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.280 Sometimes I go through all four of those within the 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:20.360 course of one happy hour. 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:25.240 Sure, okay, Right, And that's kind of the point here, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:28.880 And it's also the basis of any criticism from this 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.560 moment in the podcast here on out, is that this 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.320 whole thing that started back with the Four Humors and 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:38.880 continues on to this day in the guise of personality tests, yeah, 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.400 is an attempt to take a human personality and say 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.640 you're this, Yeah, you're this one type, You're this type, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.080 this is your type, this is what you're like, right, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.880 And the human personality is just too complex, too squishy, 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.480 too jelly like to be boxed into one thing like that. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:01.360 Yeah, and we'll get into all criticisms, but that definitely 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:02.520 is the leading criticism. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.720 That is. Well, we'll save that. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.960 Okay. That was a tease. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.000 It was a good tease. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.400 It's a phlegmatic one. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.920 All these classifications, though, that we talk about now, are 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.360 or most of them at least are drive lai at 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.560 the feet of one man. When Carl Jung, Yeah, who 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.240 wrote a book called psychological types. 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.040 How do you say it? Though in in German? 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:28.920 I don't know. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.400 It's oh where is it? Let me see there it is. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.240 I can't even begin to do it. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:43.960 Psycho psycho sorry, psychologic yesh, psychologic ish typing. 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:45.040 That's not fair. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.640 It's so tiny. That was the problem because you. 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.520 Oh, yeah, I do ten point I don't like to 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.240 waste paper. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.080 Well you know me. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.640 You do like sixteen point times new Roman. 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.640 Paper, and I don't want to waste it. But I 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.400 also have to do my job. Sure, maybe I should 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.600 go double sided, but then my highlighter it gets in 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:03.920 the way. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.760 Oh yeah, it would be a problem, man, everything would 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.360 be highlighting, you might as well just dip the whole 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.960 page in yellow wink or something. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:11.679 Yeah, exactly. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.200 So anyway, Jung wrote this book, that book in nineteen 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.160 twenty one and at German and had it translated to 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:20.640 English a couple of years. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:28.000 Later, and he created these four categories sensation, intuition, thinking, 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:28.840 and feeling. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.960 Right, So those were his four that kind of most 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.199 of these modern tests are based on in some way 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:36.600 or another. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:37.079 Yeah, And. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.760 It's really almost impossible that I guess we could just 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.439 save all the criticisms for the end and just pile 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.200 them on. But it's really tough to talk about this 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.319 stuff and not like, as you present one fact, talk 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.200 about the problem with that fact as it relates to 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.920 modern incarnation. What do you think we should do? Should 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.439 we just save them, like you say, because I can 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:00.000 buite my time? 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.760 Yeah, let's say them, okay, and then you can just like. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.960 I'm not even try like I'm not I'm not going 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.400 crop circle here. I'm just saying like, there's just there's 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.720 just a lot wrong with this. But even before Young 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:16.280 who created these the concept of the modern concept i 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.840 should say, personality types, and he created the idea of introvert, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.800 an extrovert, which say what you will about you, and 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.560 a lot of psychologists have a lot to say about him. Yeah, 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.520 not necessarily the nicest things to say, but introversion and 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:34.880 extra extraversion is so widely accepted inside and out of 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.160 the field of psychology that I mean, if that were 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.520 his only contribution to the field, that's that's enough to 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.920 engrave it on your tombstone for sure. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:44.440 Yeah. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.360 And each of those four psychological types he was talking 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.840 about are modified by whether or not you're introverted or extroverted. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.400 Right, so they all kind of work together to buch 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:55.760 you in. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.600 That was like the right, that was the main thing 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.160 is how you how you approach life is introvert, extrovert, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.720 and everything else was like a sub It's kind of 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.400 a sub section of that or something. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:06.120 Yeah. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.200 And one of the issues with this, and I don't 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.880 think this is part of the criticism, but. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.920 I was gonna say, I thought we were saving him. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.800 He was This was based on his ideas. It wasn't 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.200 like he had all this research and all this data. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.800 He was a deep thinker, and he sat around and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:26.080 thought of these things. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.000 Right exactly, And then he wrote entire books based on them. Yeah, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.280 but he's a very well respected psychoanalyst, and he was 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:38.160 part of the early movement for psychoanalysis. With Freud, they 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:42.959 were colleagues. La Jung was much younger, but they eventually said, 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:49.480 I don't like you anymore. We're parting ways. But as 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.200 psychoanalysis was really kind of establishing itself, and if you 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.240 want to know more about that background in the origin 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:58.000 of psychoanalysis, go listen to her how pr works the 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.400 live show. Yeah, we talked a lot about that. But 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.319 as this was going on and it was starting to 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.360 kind of dominate the field of psychology, there was a 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.280 whole other movement, a parallel movement that said, you know what, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.920 we think all that's a little mushy. We like the 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.679 idea of being able to quantify psychology. And so even 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.440 before you there were guys like Alfred Binet, who was 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.760 one of the indirect fathers of the Intelligence test IQ test, 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.800 a pair of researchers named Gray and Wheelwright, and plenty 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.679 of others who wanted to say, no, no, no, no, you 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.559 can study psychology. You can study things like the human personality, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.200 and you can typify and you can add numbers, you 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:46.560 can quantify this stuff and in doing so, we will 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.720 prove psychology as a science as well. So this whole 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:57.400 movement to typify people and put them into convenient, almost 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:04.160 numerical categories came out of this urgent need to establish 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.200 a scientific basis for psychology. 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.560 Yeah, and Jung he kind of laid the table for this. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:14.199 And many years later, although not that many, there was 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.920 a woman named Katherine Cook Briggs and she was working 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:24.080 on this with her daughter, one Isabelle Briggs Myers. I 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.760 think you see where this is going. And this is 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.120 post World War two when they women were kind of 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.560 for the first time really going into the workforce in 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.560 full and en mass, and so they thought, well, maybe 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.960 we can put together some personality types to find out 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.319 what kind of jobs these women might be suited for, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.280 what types of jobs they might enjoy. So they started 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:51.319 working together on this, and as legend has it, the 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:57.040 mom Katherine Briggs Cook Briggs, she was doing her thing 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.839 and then saw Jung's works and said, I got to 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:01.360 start over. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.160 This is the stuff She had already been working on 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.960 a personality test. Yeah, but apparently, according to the legend, 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.160 through her work into the fire said I'm starting from scratch. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:13.079 Because she's dramatic. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:18.840 She was a voracious reader, especially of the psychology, the 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.160 new psychology books that were coming out of Europe. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.840 Right, she didn't read Young She did well eventually, but yeah, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.960 and then seems like it kind of came along later. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.440 Well, so, yeah, there's a there's kind of a weird 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.520 discrepancy in the history. And I don't know if it's 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.160 just that hasn't been covered right or if there is 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.040 a weird discrepancy, but supposedly she initiated it, and so 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.960 it would have been contemporary or shortly after Jung's Psychology 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.120 or Personality Types was translated into English in nineteen twenty three. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.280 But it was her daughter Isabelle who really took it 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.040 and ran with it because of World War Two in 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.640 the need for women in the workplace. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.240 Correct, so they you know, kind of kept some of 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.560 young stuff built on that it kind of striped some 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.640 of it away, most notably a lot of the unconscious stuff. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:11.800 They might have thought that was a little too weird 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.960 for you know, the modern American workforce. Yeah, so what 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.440 they ended up coming up with was the the MBTI 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.400 Myers Briggs Type Indicator, right, very famously. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.120 Yeah, and they had a publishing arrangement with one group 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.680 I can't remember what they were called, but they thought 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.160 it didn't do very well. And then in nineteen seventy 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.880 five they went with another publisher CPP and they're the 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:38.000 current publishers of the Myers Briggs Yeah type indicator. And 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:42.320 since then that's when it's ubiquity, like just really spread 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.720 was starting in the seventies and now it's just it's 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:48.680 basically married to corporate America. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.800 Should we take a break, sure, go get married to 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:52.560 corporate America. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.200 Yeah, as if we aren't already. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:56.360 All right, we'll come back and we'll talk a little 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.880 bit about personality tests in general and then focus in 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.120 a little more on the n B T I. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:03.080 As W. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:25.920 S k as all right, So. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:31.160 Personality tests is just there are many many ways you 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.280 can get evaluated psychologically by a professional. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.960 This is just one way. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.160 And you get your head measured with calibers. Back in 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:40.760 the day they did that, give you a bunch of 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.560 drugs and see what you do. There's a lot of ways. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.920 But these tests generally, as Grabster points out, falls into 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:53.680 a couple of types, projective and objective. Projective tests or 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.240 things like the roar shack test where you're shown something 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.840 some kind of stimulus and it's open to interpretation, and 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.480 you tell them what you think about it, and someone 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.760 sits back very quietly and taps on a pad of 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:12.480 paper and makes an evaluation. And then objective are more 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.760 like these personality tests. They're standardized assessments that people use, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.679 and while it's subjective what you put down, they are 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.119 then evaluated again by a professional. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:23.960 Right. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.520 But ultimately that objective name is a bit of a 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:32.040 misnomer because on the end of it, it's still interpreted 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.760 by a person. Yeah, which is therefore makes it subjective, right, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.879 and which, depending on who you ask, is the fatal 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.680 flaw of all personality tests. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.959 It should be the good song from the seventies had 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.080 a little parenthetical at the end of the title, right, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:49.400 it should just say subjective also right in parentheses. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.920 Baby. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:58.840 So the big five are and this is the Big five. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.960 I get the feeling or the psycho logical tests that 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.280 that legit psychologists are more in favor of over something 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.280 like the MBT. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:08.120 I is that right? 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.720 Yeah, it's not just there's tests to suss out the 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.080 Big five. The Big five are the personality types of 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.159 the field of psychology has come up with. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.400 Well, yeah, but the tests that you utilize that, right, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.800 they kind of think are more legit than the MBT. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.560 I yeah, there's not a psychologist alive who uses the 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.520 the MBTI and the regular practice. Oh I bet there 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.520 are not that not that are speaking up. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.800 I guarantee you there's someone out there. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:33.480 Yeah. 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.000 Sure it's a free wheeling type. 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:37.600 Or is she? 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:39.600 So? 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:45.680 The Big five are extraversion, agreeableness, openness to experience, conscientiousness, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.080 and neuroticism. Right, sounds like it could be like a 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.160 dating site thing that you fill out. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.800 It's funny, every time I see or hear the word neuroticism, 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.320 a bell goes off in my head, like. 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:02.199 Thing, just a silent bell. I don't know what that means. 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:04.640 I don't either, but it draws my attention to. 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.080 So some of these tests, I mean, it depends on 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:10.639 what it is that. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.120 They might not all call them by those exact words, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.639 but they're generally using they call them, you know, like 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:16.520 I said, the Big five. 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.119 Yeah, and I I was looking into that Big five 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.960 and this site I can't remember what it was called, 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.040 but they were basically they were going over it like 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.359 extraversion is again just part of the scientific literature at 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:34.520 this point. Agreeableness is like whether you're how sympathetic or 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.240 kind or affectionate you are? Conscientiousness is are you organized? 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.080 Are you thorough? Are you the type who shows up 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.719 on time? That kind of thing, neuroticism, which is some 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:48.439 kind sometimes called emotional stability. How tense are you? How moody? 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:54.560 How anxious? And then like openness to experience? Right, yeah, 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.520 they sometimes call that intellect slash imagination. Do you have 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.000 wide interests? Are you an imaginative person? Are you insightful? 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:05.400 And the site really went to a lot of pains 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.160 to point out that what you would call these things 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.199 the big five personality traits are as far as a 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:17.439 psychologist is concerned, just one dimension of you, the human being, 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.439 and that to get a clearer picture of you, they 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:24.119 would also need to study your motivations, your emotions, your attitudes, 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.360 your abilities, your self concepts, your social roles, autobiographical memories, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:30.800 your life stories. Now, if you start to put all 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.199 these things together, then you can start to kind of 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:38.080 approximate the person's personality. But it would just it takes 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.399 a lot of study of an individual and these different 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.639 components that make up their personality to get a clear picture. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.760 So I don't think there are any psychologists walking around 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.600 saying the big five personality types or like the beginning 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.440 and end of a personality. It's just if you put 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.000 them together, you have just a sketch of somebody's personality 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.960 and you should go much deeper. Or if you're analyzing someone. 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:03.520 Yeah, I think I used to think this stuff was 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:06.879 a lot neaterer when I was younger, and now it 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.080 kind of gives me a little anxiety. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:11.680 Like I just I don't know as far as doing 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.159 this to myself, and I still enjoy therapy, like that's different. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.960 But I don't know, because every single one of these 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.680 I like my answer would be, well, it depends. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.400 Well, I think. I think also though, and I don't 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.399 mean to speak for you, but one of the issues 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.480 that that comes up for me is if somebody goes 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.760 to you and says, you know you you you rate 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:37.159 pretty high on the spectrum of neuroticism, Like that's obviously 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.000 you're gonna obsess about that kind of stuff, especially if 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:40.520 they're right. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:41.760 It can make you neurotic. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.760 But yeah, it's a boundary that somebody has just established 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.199