Speaker 1: If your happiness depends on the actions of others, you know,
Speaker 1: you're at mercy of things that you can't control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not even just saying this. I literally think I
Speaker 1: manifested this, Like it's the after I saw you at
Speaker 1: Simmy and Hayes's house. So that was a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: And then a few weeks ago, my I was talking
Speaker 1: to my social media go randomly. We were just talking
Speaker 1: about a bunch of stuff and just kind of what
Speaker 1: I would love to represent, just talking about a new
Speaker 1: chapter for me and whatever, and I was she was like,
Speaker 1: who would you really want to like talk to or whatever?
Speaker 1: And I was like, it would be so cool to
Speaker 1: talk to Jay and she was like that would be
Speaker 1: really cool. And then we kind of just that was
Speaker 1: kind of the thought and whatever, and then you hit
Speaker 1: me and I was like, no, frickin' way, he's hitting
Speaker 1: me right now. So I was like, absolutely, this is
Speaker 1: like perfect, It's the universe just putting it in perfect timing,
Speaker 1: because that makes me.
Speaker 2: So happy because it was exactly the opposite way. So
Speaker 2: I've for a long time had people that I'd love
Speaker 2: to sit down with, and every time I saw you
Speaker 2: do something with mental Health and Vogue or any of
Speaker 2: the segments that you ever did. I was just like,
Speaker 2: she's amazing, Like, you know, it's incredible to the way
Speaker 2: you were talking about it. When you'd post about it,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, Oh, this is incredible, like to see
Speaker 2: you speaking so openly about it, vulnerably about it. And
Speaker 2: so I've always wanted to do this and then, but
Speaker 2: we've never really crossed paths, and so I'm always just
Speaker 2: a bit like, and I don't like asking friends of
Speaker 2: friends when I haven't met someone. And so I was
Speaker 2: like that day, i had to like pluck up the current,
Speaker 2: but I'm just going to ask for myself, no, because
Speaker 2: it's easier when I asked her, and I know Christy,
Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah. But I was like, it's nicer when
Speaker 2: there's I told my team too. I was like, it's
Speaker 2: so much nicer when there's like a personal connection and
Speaker 2: someone really feels comfortable rather than it's like a pr No.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was so perfect. Like when I think back to it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that was me just trusting the universe and
Speaker 1: not pushing for anything. And I knew it was going
Speaker 1: to kind of happen when I was supposed to do
Speaker 1: and it literally Yeah you.
Speaker 4: Felt it too, Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I hope that there is the set of spending.
Speaker 4: More time to you Jenny too.
Speaker 1: I would love that because, like I think, also, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I admire people like you. I admire like,
Speaker 1: you know, the the Michael Poland's and Michael Singers and
Speaker 1: whim Hoffs of the world. And I feel like you've
Speaker 1: fin that category for me of just people that are
Speaker 1: because you know, I know a little bit about your story.
Speaker 1: I'd like to actually know more, which would be really
Speaker 1: cool to actually, I know we're obviously not here for
Speaker 1: that exactly, but for me just personally, like, i'd love
Speaker 1: to know more of your story. I know that you've
Speaker 1: had quite the experiences, and I think that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm like so intrigued by people with just that amount
Speaker 1: of curiosity and like determination, determination and patience, Like that
Speaker 1: takes so much patience to be like you or like
Speaker 1: any of those people that I just listed. It's so
Speaker 1: cool to me, and I just I wish I wish
Speaker 1: for myself, but I'm working on it, i am. It's
Speaker 1: just you know that that level of like I said,
Speaker 1: patience and determination is like it's a gift like that
Speaker 1: is like a really really amazing gift, and like I said,
Speaker 1: like I'm just working on it all the time, and
Speaker 1: that's my goal in life.
Speaker 2: I guess. Well, I think I feel the same way
Speaker 2: about you again that and by the way, I love
Speaker 2: all those people you just mentioned too, Yeah, so feel
Speaker 2: very honored to be put into that group of people.
Speaker 2: And we've had Whim on the podcast before too, so
Speaker 2: he's been a guest. But with you, I feel the
Speaker 2: same way back when it's like when you see someone
Speaker 2: who is so curious, who could get away with not
Speaker 2: worrying about these things if you don't want to, but
Speaker 2: then still being courageous enough to talk about these things,
Speaker 2: and then using your platform as a space to open
Speaker 2: up these dialogues, that is as if not more important.
Speaker 2: As well as doing the work and doing the path. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I can see you doing the way. It's
Speaker 2: fun watching you do the work and figuring it out.
Speaker 1: I love working on myself, like it is actually like
Speaker 1: a passion of mine and like I just I find
Speaker 1: so much comfort and joy and like actually finding where
Speaker 1: I think I could better myself and being like even
Speaker 1: if it's physical, like physical as in like my physical
Speaker 1: health or working out or I just started doing speaking
Speaker 1: of whim Hoff, I just started doing like cold plunges
Speaker 1: and ice baths and like even if I don't have
Speaker 1: the time to go outside, I just got a cold plunge.
Speaker 1: I did it right before I got here. It's the
Speaker 1: best thing ever. It's also so again, it takes so
Speaker 1: much mental. The whole thing of it is all mental.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, just stuff like that I really love.
Speaker 1: So I'm always I'm always trying to just be the
Speaker 1: best version of me, and so I just love that
Speaker 1: it like actually makes me feel really good. I love
Speaker 1: self care and I just love stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: it's been really cool. But it's cool for you to
Speaker 1: say that you enjoy seeing that from me, because there's
Speaker 1: always been kind of this weird part of it for
Speaker 1: me where I'm like, is this a pity party? Because
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be like. I want this
Speaker 1: to feel very positive. I want to connect with people,
Speaker 1: and I guess that's that is my goal there is
Speaker 1: to be like, there actually is this side of me
Speaker 1: that you might may not know of, But the goal
Speaker 1: here is to connect and also not feel like I'm
Speaker 1: throwing some pity party for myself, because I want this
Speaker 1: to be a learning experience for everyone. I want this
Speaker 1: to be really positive and will really well received. I
Speaker 1: want you to look at it and actually have a
Speaker 1: positive feeling towards it. So I don't know, you'll find
Speaker 1: like if I you know, when I do kind of
Speaker 1: post about something or when I want to talk about something,
Speaker 1: I'm usually sharing a tip or like sharing kind of
Speaker 1: like a little technique, even if it's something so simple
Speaker 1: as like walking outside, taking a few de breaths and journaling, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just that kind of stuff that I really like
Speaker 1: to share because I feel like I want to be helpful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: more than anything.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's how that's at least how I see it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I see it not not completely, not as a pity
Speaker 2: party at all, but so much more as just hey,
Speaker 2: here's a reminder, yeah, something that I did, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like that positivity shines through too in the
Speaker 2: way you do it, so at least if that helps
Speaker 2: whatever that's worth from the outside, it definitely comes across
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: And this is easily been the warmest introduction to a
Speaker 2: conversation I've ever experiencing my entire.
Speaker 1: Life going to say it was actually was actually really
Speaker 1: nervous coming in here because this means so much to me, Like,
Speaker 1: and I'm serious, because you know, I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews in my life and when when thinking about
Speaker 1: this one or thinking about that I even wanted to
Speaker 1: do something like this, it just it means a lot
Speaker 1: to me, and so it made me a little nervous,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just want to get this right.
Speaker 1: This isn't like you know, me going out and promoting
Speaker 1: something or talking about something. This is, you know, something
Speaker 1: very real that we all experience, which is just you know,
Speaker 1: ourselves and our well being and just everything.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and this is this is a you know
Speaker 2: for me genuinely, and I really do mean this, like
Speaker 2: the podcast has been a great excuse or really from
Speaker 2: my side and intention to get to know people, and
Speaker 2: I really admire and so for me, it's been a
Speaker 2: great way of building new friendships and relationships because if
Speaker 2: you can sit and talk to someone and really get
Speaker 2: along with each other, you're like, oh, we should do
Speaker 2: this more often.
Speaker 1: So well I'm honored.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So for me, it's definitely been that and to me,
Speaker 2: you know you saying that, and you know taking it
Speaker 2: as intentionally as you it's you know, for me, it's
Speaker 2: as important. I always share this before we start recording usually,
Speaker 2: but we just flowed. Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose,
Speaker 2: the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to
Speaker 2: each and every single one of you that come back
Speaker 2: every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now it's very
Speaker 2: rare that I get to sit down with someone that
Speaker 2: I have admired for a very long time from Afar,
Speaker 2: someone that I believe has inspired me through the sharing
Speaker 2: of their story, someone who speaks so vulnerably and openly
Speaker 2: about the things that I most care about mental health, purpose,
Speaker 2: the journey of life, and discovery and curiosity. And what
Speaker 2: I want to share about this person is when I
Speaker 2: bumped into them at a mutual friends' birthday party. And
Speaker 2: I just want to give a big, big shout out
Speaker 2: to Sam and Hayes because it wouldn't happen without them.
Speaker 2: I love you, Simy and Aes. You've been amazing guests
Speaker 2: on the podcast before as well. I would have bumped
Speaker 2: into this individual and had this opportunity to reach out
Speaker 2: to them, and as soon as I reached out, this
Speaker 2: has been the most flowing conversation and connection that it
Speaker 2: possibly had on the podcast, to be honest, So I
Speaker 2: just want to put that out. I'm speaking about the
Speaker 2: one only someone who needs no introduction, but successful business founder,
Speaker 2: international supermodel, a founder of the incredibly successful tequila brand
Speaker 2: eight one eight, and star on the Hulus The Kardashians,
Speaker 2: which premier is in second season on September twenty second.
Speaker 2: The one and Only Kendall Jenna Kendell, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for doing this.
Speaker 1: For having me. That was a wonderful introduction.
Speaker 2: Oh well, it's it's honestly, in such an honor getting
Speaker 2: to know someone who it's very rare that I find
Speaker 2: someone who functions with very similar values in a personal
Speaker 2: connection sense. So when I reached out to you, I
Speaker 2: really meant everything I said, and I could have written
Speaker 2: you an essay, but I was like, let's spare the
Speaker 2: details and then to get your response and then for
Speaker 2: us to be here within a couple of weeks of
Speaker 2: connecting and even your message this morning, I just want
Speaker 2: people to know I was like the text you said
Speaker 2: me this morning, I was like, this never happens. I
Speaker 2: was amazing, And I was like and I was literally
Speaker 2: going to do the same thing, and so to me,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is very rare, and so I
Speaker 2: love the synergy and the flow that we're experiencing. And
Speaker 2: me too, I'm excited to get it now.
Speaker 1: It's funny because I I called Hayes before the other
Speaker 1: day and I was just like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: going on your friend's show and whatever, and she was like,
Speaker 1: he's the best. It's gonna You're just going to flow
Speaker 1: right into it. He's so easy to talk to. And
Speaker 1: that's literally what happened. And like I told you, I
Speaker 1: just feel like I manifested this moment for both of
Speaker 1: us and for this just this whole experience. And so
Speaker 1: I am really happy to be here and I'm honestly honored.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I admire you, and I there's so
Speaker 1: many people like you that I admire. So I think
Speaker 1: sitting down here with you is just so cool for
Speaker 1: me and I get to talk about fun things with you.
Speaker 2: Amazing first of many, and I wanted to start with
Speaker 2: because I always liked to start with just things that
Speaker 2: I've seen more recently. A couple of days ago, I
Speaker 2: think you posted a beautiful picture of you hugging your horse,
Speaker 2: and you were like, you know, like snuggle time or
Speaker 2: something like that, and I was just like, when when
Speaker 2: did horses become a part of your life? And how
Speaker 2: did you get so close to them?
Speaker 1: I think I've spent many lifetimes with horses. I think
Speaker 1: this is very one of many lifetime that I've had.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a horse community, so where we
Speaker 1: grew up horses everywhere, more trails than there were homes, really,
Speaker 1: and so I was always around horses and I just
Speaker 1: was deeply in love with them. And I have no explanation,
Speaker 1: and that's why I say I feel like in past lives,
Speaker 1: I have just been around horses. Yeah, So since I
Speaker 1: was a really young kid, loved them and continue to
Speaker 1: love them my whole life. They're just the best. They're
Speaker 1: the most majestic and gorgeous and spiritual. They feel everything.
Speaker 1: I just like it's such an honor to be in
Speaker 1: their presence and to be able to do what I
Speaker 1: can do with my horse. I find so magical that
Speaker 1: I can stand in her stall with her and just
Speaker 1: like vibe out with her. I like sometimes come to
Speaker 1: like a little get a little tear eyed when I'm
Speaker 1: standing in my stall with her because I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is so cool that you allow me to do this
Speaker 1: and we have this connection without any words. It's just
Speaker 1: the best thing ever. So I love them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so special. I have a different tear eyed
Speaker 2: story with horses, but I'll tell you the short version.
Speaker 2: So when I proposed to my wife, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to introduce you to do. When I proposed to her, which
Speaker 2: was eight years ago or something like that, when I
Speaker 2: proposed to her, I organized a very what I would
Speaker 2: consider like a very a very Hollywood proposal. It was
Speaker 2: it was too over the top, and I would do
Speaker 2: it totally different today with all everything I've learned. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it happens. It happens. And so we were walking by
Speaker 2: the Thames in London, which is where we were both
Speaker 2: born and raised, and this a cappella group jumps out
Speaker 2: and they're singing Bruno Mars and then like they give
Speaker 2: her a bouquet of flowers, and then I get on
Speaker 2: one knee. I propose we have dinner by the river,
Speaker 2: and then we walk around the corner and there's a
Speaker 2: horse room and carriage to take us around, to take
Speaker 2: us around London, and so we're on this carriage, we
Speaker 2: have this beautiful, you know, path through London, and then
Speaker 2: we get into the train to get back home to
Speaker 2: her parents to tell them, and they already knew. She's
Speaker 2: got hives all over her face.
Speaker 3: And she's allergic to and I found out that day
Speaker 3: I proposed to her.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, So then she was like
Speaker 2: she had tears And when we got back, our parents
Speaker 2: were like, what did you do to her?
Speaker 1: At least got to enjoy the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I no, I love horses the same way
Speaker 2: you do. Like I used to go to India a
Speaker 2: lot when I was a kid, and that's where I
Speaker 2: first learned to be with horses.
Speaker 1: And I mean they're so therapeutic.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1: Reason there's a coine therapy.
Speaker 4: It's the best exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They make me. They make me when I'm with her.
Speaker 1: I have a few, but I'm most mostly with one
Speaker 1: of my horses right now because her name is Delandra.
Speaker 1: I didn't name her. She came with her name, but
Speaker 1: I call her Dylan or dyl. I love her so much,
Speaker 1: But when I'm with her, I genuinely I speak of
Speaker 1: like I spoke about how I've just loved horses my
Speaker 1: whole life. I feel like a kid around her, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like my twelve year old self that would
Speaker 1: get up every morning throughout the entire summer at eight
Speaker 1: am to go just be at my trainer's facility. And
Speaker 1: I would stay there from eight am to eight pm.
Speaker 1: I'd ride all her horses, I'd groom all her horses.
Speaker 1: I would just sit in the stalls with all the horses.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 1: Just anytime I'm with her, I just have that sense
Speaker 1: of like being a child again. And it's a really
Speaker 1: really good feeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, animals have that special ability, don't they like whichever
Speaker 2: animal you're attracted to. And yeah, I never thought I would,
Speaker 2: but when I lived as a monk. The animal that's
Speaker 2: revered in india's cows. And you would never think of
Speaker 2: cows being like majestic or you know, in that way,
Speaker 2: especially when you're not in India. But the cows in
Speaker 2: India have these like lotus like eyes, Like the eyes
Speaker 2: are just like a stunning Yeah, and they's so special
Speaker 2: and there's such gentle animals yea. And recently Ruddy and
Speaker 2: I went trekking with gorillas in Rwanda and gorillas are
Speaker 2: the we have to go.
Speaker 1: That sounds unreal.
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable, and the animal that's revered in Rwanda.
Speaker 2: So whenever they have a new gorilla that's born, they
Speaker 2: have a naming ceremony with the community. It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: But and then I heard somewhere that you your first
Speaker 2: job was you were a dog walker, and so I
Speaker 2: was taking, like, do you have any lessons or anything
Speaker 2: you learned by being a dog walker? I think first
Speaker 2: jobs are so interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean I was always a super disciplined child,
Speaker 1: like meaning to my like I just loved I would
Speaker 1: put myself to bed at seven PM, be like my
Speaker 1: mom would be like playing with me and my little
Speaker 1: sister and be like, mom, it's seven I gotta go
Speaker 1: to sleep, like it's time for my bedtime. She'd be like,
Speaker 1: are you okay? And so I was always that kid,
Speaker 1: And so I think I just was always really eager
Speaker 1: to like work. I don't know why. I just like
Speaker 1: wanted to always have something to do, something that I
Speaker 1: felt passionate about that I really enjoyed. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was young, I put some flyers around our
Speaker 1: community and said I would walk dogs and I ended
Speaker 1: up getting people that would get let me have their
Speaker 1: dog for a few hours and take it for a walk.
Speaker 1: So I loved animals and I liked having something to do,
Speaker 1: so I spent I was a kid that liked to
Speaker 1: be by myself with animals, So like, I think that
Speaker 1: that was a cool, very fitting thing for me because
Speaker 1: I got to be by myself walking, but then also
Speaker 1: experience all these little dogs with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish I did that. I used to deliver newspapers.
Speaker 2: So that was my first job and it's not as
Speaker 2: glamorous in life London because it's raining.
Speaker 1: Was that what you were desiring or was that and
Speaker 1: wanted to make some money just like I need it.
Speaker 2: I was like I need to make some money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, I'm going to start doing
Speaker 2: this and you don't get to you know, you'd see
Speaker 2: it in the movies where the paperboy just like chucks
Speaker 2: the paper at the door, but I'd like to actually
Speaker 2: go and put it inside. So my only interaction with
Speaker 2: dogs is they were on the inside grabbing the paper, right,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, barking, yeah and stuff. But I always
Speaker 2: love knowing about people's first jobs and how things started.
Speaker 2: For them because of you know obviously where you are today.
Speaker 2: But what do you think it was in those early
Speaker 2: years where you just said you were very disciplined, Like
Speaker 2: it sounds like you were you were aware of certain
Speaker 2: habits that you built. Then what were some of the
Speaker 2: things that you feel confident about or how how did
Speaker 2: you look for validation in those early years and where
Speaker 2: did it come from for you?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. So Kylie and my little sister,
Speaker 1: she was always the social butterfly. I was always I
Speaker 1: just liked being to myself. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: the scorpio in me, so it just came naturally or
Speaker 1: whatever I had. I had a group of friends who
Speaker 1: I loved, but I just I like convividly remember just
Speaker 1: on the weekends, not running to go be with my
Speaker 1: friends all the time during the summer I was with them,
Speaker 1: but on the weekends in between school, I would I
Speaker 1: was really just by myself. I would love to like
Speaker 1: hang out in my room. I like was kind of
Speaker 1: a nerd. I loved video games and like sitting on
Speaker 1: the computer and playing sims all day. Like I just
Speaker 1: kind of liked being to myself and then all day
Speaker 1: long during the summer was with my horses, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just it just brought me joy.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have, like, you know, a super
Speaker 1: long explanation for that. It was so simple for me
Speaker 1: as a kid, Like it was just as simple as
Speaker 1: that made me happy, and that's just what I wanted,
Speaker 1: and it explains I guess a lot of me now.
Speaker 1: I went through like a phase where I felt like
Speaker 1: I had to be around people. I think I live
Speaker 1: a very social life and my job is very social,
Speaker 1: so I was, you know, kind of conditioned to want
Speaker 1: to be around people a lot. And then as you know,
Speaker 1: the pandemic came around, You're not around as many people anymore.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just re enjoying being by myself, which is
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, and I had the most I had
Speaker 1: the best day on Sunday, all by myself. I got up,
Speaker 1: I went and rode my horses. I like, took my
Speaker 1: niece to ride her pony, just me and her was
Speaker 1: so nice. Brought her back home, went to my house,
Speaker 1: got in my cold plunge, went in my pool, laid
Speaker 1: out journals, like I was having the best day, and
Speaker 1: I was just pretty much all by myself. So I
Speaker 1: enjoy it so much.
Speaker 2: I love that. I'm sure that's so refreshing for people
Speaker 2: to hear too, because I feel like people may from
Speaker 2: the outside perceive a life which obviously, like you said,
Speaker 2: for work, it's busy, and it's so true, and of
Speaker 2: course you have wonderful friends, but to know that you
Speaker 2: can feel comfortable in your own company and that's been
Speaker 2: a habit that you've developed.
Speaker 1: I crave simple things, like I love my life and
Speaker 1: I love my job, and I feel so fortunate that
Speaker 1: I have been placed here that for some reason, I
Speaker 1: was given this life, Like I feel immensely grateful for that,
Speaker 1: and I have had so much fun, and I like
Speaker 1: think back on just the experience that I've had, the
Speaker 1: experiences that I've had this far, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: like a shocking to me. I'm like, this is so frickin'
Speaker 1: cool that I live this life. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like when I am home and when
Speaker 1: I'm alone, like I crave the simple things. I love
Speaker 1: a simple day. I love just like a simple routine
Speaker 1: and being to myself and being around the people that
Speaker 1: I love, my small core crew.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, I mean that's I think
Speaker 2: that's what we're all striving for, is right, that passion
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Speaker 2: forward slash jay. What would you say? I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this, and I've watched so many of you interviews
Speaker 2: and read so much too, But what would you say
Speaker 2: for you as being one of your proudest moments or
Speaker 2: greatest achievements or something that you really feel like and internally,
Speaker 2: I mean, like for the basis of our conversation, like
Speaker 2: something that really brings you joy internally when you think
Speaker 2: about it or when you had it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I look back and the things that
Speaker 1: I've accomplished, just even my job, Like I think I
Speaker 1: really at one point when I was younger, decided I
Speaker 1: want to be a model and this is what I
Speaker 1: want to do, and the fact that I executed because
Speaker 1: we talked about that determination like I really was. I
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old when I kind of made that
Speaker 1: decision and was like, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1: And I went to my mom and I was like,
Speaker 1: please help me do this. And I didn't stop until
Speaker 1: I was twenty four that I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think I need to take it back a notch, which
Speaker 1: we can also get into because that's a very kind
Speaker 1: of dramatic story, but like I just knew, and I
Speaker 1: think I'm proud of myself for or being that kid
Speaker 1: and being determined to do that and then executing and
Speaker 1: doing it to the level that I had done it
Speaker 1: and that I guess I still do. But I also
Speaker 1: am proud of, I think more so the self work
Speaker 1: that I've done within that process, because there was a
Speaker 1: long period of time, i'd say the core five years
Speaker 1: of it, that I was extremely overworked, not my happiest,
Speaker 1: not because I wasn't doing what I loved, but just
Speaker 1: because I was overwhelmed and I felt like I was
Speaker 1: saying yes to everything because I felt really, really grateful
Speaker 1: and really honored to be in the position that I
Speaker 1: was in. So I was always saying yes, and it
Speaker 1: just took a lot out of me to the point
Speaker 1: where I just wasn't happy anymore. And so I had
Speaker 1: to set those boundaries for myself. When I was about
Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four, I'd say, like, what a year
Speaker 1: before the pandemic, So yeah, I was probably twenty three.
Speaker 1: I really set boundaries for myself, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to continue to do this because this is
Speaker 1: what I love, but I need to start saying no
Speaker 1: when I can and prioritizing me and prioritizing, like, you know,
Speaker 1: my happiness and my well being. And it has done
Speaker 1: wonders for me, like I feel like I can show
Speaker 1: up better for myself and I can show up a
Speaker 1: better person for the people that get to be around
Speaker 1: me that day, and you know that I work with
Speaker 1: on that day. So yeah, yeah, so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: proud of you. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: I was I won't say I was hoping for that,
Speaker 2: because I'm always open to wherever anyone's life experience goes.
Speaker 2: But there's a part of me that loves hearing that, Like,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate hearing that, because when you've achieved so
Speaker 2: many incredible things in your career, which you have to
Speaker 2: then say, well, this is the part, like knowing how
Speaker 2: to navigate it or making the right choices at the
Speaker 2: right time.
Speaker 1: Healthy balance, the healthy balance, it's so important. It's important
Speaker 1: for all of us, like we have to this is
Speaker 1: what we're prioritizing, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how did you find the courage to do that?
Speaker 2: The twenty three Marc as you're saying, you're in a
Speaker 2: competitive industry. As you said, it was overworking, it's fast paced.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing there's comparison in that industry. There's competition in
Speaker 2: that industry. It's not an easy space to be. You're
Speaker 2: you know, you're in the top zero point zero one
Speaker 2: percent in your industry. So it's hard. And the reason
Speaker 2: I asked this is because I work with so many
Speaker 2: people in this space and to have the courage to
Speaker 2: say no, I know that if I sought this out,
Speaker 2: then all of this is going to be just fine.
Speaker 2: That actually takes more courage than we recognize. We realize
Speaker 2: that when you have nothing, then there's nothing to lose,
Speaker 2: you can actually have a lot of courage, right, But
Speaker 2: when you have everything and there's everything to lose, and
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, at least what I've heard
Speaker 2: in town is you know older managers and agents and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you have any of this, but people
Speaker 2: that I know will be told, well, hey, if you
Speaker 2: don't do this, like you'll be forgotten next year, or
Speaker 2: you know your your career is only going to last
Speaker 2: another six months. How did you have that courage to
Speaker 2: say no, no, no, I need to do this, Like where
Speaker 2: did that come from?
Speaker 1: And I think that it's interesting, like I've never thought
Speaker 1: about it that way. To be completely honest with you,
Speaker 1: I just knew that if I had gone any further,
Speaker 1: that I was going to lose myself. I was at
Speaker 1: that very I was on the teeter totter edge of
Speaker 1: that point, where had I gone any further, I was
Speaker 1: probably not going to be great. It was so important
Speaker 1: to me to feel good that I just knew that
Speaker 1: it was something that I had to do. And I
Speaker 1: can't say, like, you're absolutely right, like there were so
Speaker 1: many people around me that had told me not to
Speaker 1: say no and or told me yeah, told me not
Speaker 1: to say no, told me not to stop. I fought
Speaker 1: my way out of it a little bit because there
Speaker 1: were people that had worked for me that you know,
Speaker 1: didn't want me to stop because it might have benefited them,
Speaker 1: of course, but I got to that point and I
Speaker 1: just knew I had to do it, and I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 1: I guess it was just such an unbelievable sensation that
Speaker 1: I had where I knew that if I do this,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be better for everyone, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be better for myself, which means I'm going to
Speaker 1: be better for the people around me. And I have
Speaker 1: to do this, and so it wasn't really I want
Speaker 1: to be able to live with happiness, God forbid any
Speaker 1: of this ever went away. And I think that that
Speaker 1: was a big moment for me of being like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be okay if I don't get this job tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be okay if I don't get that
Speaker 1: job in a month, if I have to take this
Speaker 1: time to do whatever things will come. Everything's going to
Speaker 1: work out the way it's supposed to do.
Speaker 2: And I had to trust that well to me from
Speaker 2: the outside, And it's beautiful that you didn't see it
Speaker 2: in yourself. I al respects it even more wonderful. But
Speaker 2: the idea that to me from the outside, that's a
Speaker 2: lot of courage. Yeah. I think it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of courage. It takes a lot of vulnerability and openness,
Speaker 2: and it takes courage every level, whether someone's thinking about
Speaker 2: quitting their job to do something they love, or whether
Speaker 2: someone's trying to relocate their family and doesn't know how,
Speaker 2: or whether someone like you is feeling success but then
Speaker 2: going well wait, women. And I think in the past
Speaker 2: few years, we've seen athletes and musicians and actors and
Speaker 2: people in all creative industries step back and say, well,
Speaker 2: I need to put me first. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: that that's empowering because I think we hear about burnout
Speaker 2: in work.
Speaker 4: Culture and corporate pressure so often for sure.
Speaker 2: So what was it that you started to do with
Speaker 2: that newfound time at that time? Like, where was is that?
Speaker 2: What the curious? Was? The curiosity always there and now
Speaker 2: you could actually follow it?
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was always there. And I
Speaker 1: had had a lot of people coming to me telling
Speaker 1: me about meditation and how it changed their life and
Speaker 1: therapy and so many different things. And I was a
Speaker 1: bit overwhelmed because I was like, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: of this is going to suit me. I think it's
Speaker 1: a very personal experience. I think everybody has a very
Speaker 1: different version of all of that stuff, and so it
Speaker 1: was a little overwhelming. So I think I really just
Speaker 1: took the time to be off for a second. It
Speaker 1: was even the little things. It was like being able
Speaker 1: to go to my friend's birthday party, which I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to go before because I was working
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: I love hearing that because I think it is those
Speaker 2: simple things, like you know, giving yourself that space. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you needed to do when you
Speaker 2: needed it, And like you said, sometimes it's like that's
Speaker 2: when all the subscribe buttons come up in front of you.
Speaker 2: And it's like try this and try this, and it's like,
Speaker 2: well no, no, no, let me just take my time.
Speaker 1: It was also now that I think about it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty three, I'm twenty six. I've had my horse for
Speaker 1: so around that time is when I bought the horse
Speaker 1: that I have now, who is my Like I jump
Speaker 1: her and I like, I have two other horses, but
Speaker 1: they're like retired, so I don't really ride them the
Speaker 1: same way I ride her. So yeah, I guess it
Speaker 1: was around that time too that I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to do this because I love this and like
Speaker 1: I want to get back into it and this is
Speaker 1: what I've loved my whole life. So so it was
Speaker 1: around that time that I feel like all of that
Speaker 1: started happening, and I bought my horse and I like
Speaker 1: started taking more time for things that made me really happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I'm noticing in you and observing, or at
Speaker 2: least from just the no in a good way way,
Speaker 2: I was just saying, it's like it feels like, no
Speaker 2: matter what's happening in your orbit, there's this pillar of
Speaker 2: belief that it's important to be happy. Yeah, like you know,
Speaker 2: that's like this core center belief in your life where
Speaker 2: it's really important to be happy. It's important to be happy.
Speaker 2: It's that has to be the goal for sure.
Speaker 1: And you know it's not always easy. We live in
Speaker 1: such an interesting industry and in such an interesting time
Speaker 1: with social media, that it can be very hard. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you can fall victim to so many things that don't
Speaker 1: serve you and that don't make you happy. If your
Speaker 1: happiness depends on the actions of others, you know, you're
Speaker 1: at mercy of things that you can't control. And that's
Speaker 1: never where I want to be. So I always want
Speaker 1: to live in like me and my therapist talk about
Speaker 1: like my higher goddess, my higher self, Like I always
Speaker 1: want to live there knowing that you know when I'm there,
Speaker 1: you can't take that away from me. That's mine And
Speaker 1: no matter what you can disagree with me, you can
Speaker 1: agree with me, that's not going. I'm not changing, I'm
Speaker 1: not shifting. I'm here, I'm in my higher Goddess. So
Speaker 1: I kind of I always live by like holding my
Speaker 1: happiness and not letting anyone else affect it. And though
Speaker 1: I fall victim to it at times well as we
Speaker 1: all probably do, absolutely I strive every day to live
Speaker 1: in that place, So.
Speaker 2: What are some of the qualities of your higher goddess
Speaker 2: so that that kind of she's awesome.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't love a pity party. I also, like,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it feels weird to like say good
Speaker 1: things about yourself. But I've also learned a lot about
Speaker 1: talking to myself and a lot about looking in the
Speaker 1: mirror and being like, you're great, you're gorgeous, you're amazing,
Speaker 1: you're loyal, you're positive, you're so many like I love
Speaker 1: words of affirmation. I love just sitting there and reassuring
Speaker 1: myself of who I am, because that's another thing for me.
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many false narratives about me, about
Speaker 1: all of us, I'm sure, like so many people think
Speaker 1: they have you figured out when they don't even know
Speaker 1: the half of it. So sitting there and being like,
Speaker 1: you know, you get frustrated. Sometimes it could feel really unfair.
Speaker 1: You could be reading something that someone is saying about you,
Speaker 1: or hearing something that someone's saying about you and being like,
Speaker 1: that is so unfair because that's not who I am,
Speaker 1: And that really gets to me sometimes and that really sucks.
Speaker 1: But then looking at myself in the mirror and being like,
Speaker 1: but I know who I am and that's all. Why
Speaker 1: does anything else matter? And my friends know who I am,
Speaker 1: and my family knows who I am. My dog knows
Speaker 1: who I am, my horse knows who I am, Like,
Speaker 1: why does any of everything else is just noise?
Speaker 2: I do this exercise. I don't think I've sh had
Speaker 2: this before, but I do this exercise with some of
Speaker 2: my clients where we'll go on a walk and we'll
Speaker 2: be on a hike wherever we are, and I'll ask
Speaker 2: them what they think a piece of you know, maybe
Speaker 2: there's a little leaf, or maybe there's some flower or
Speaker 2: something that looks a little unique on the path, and
Speaker 2: I'll say, what do you think that feels like? And
Speaker 2: what do you think it would feel like if you
Speaker 2: picked it up in your hand. And they'll be like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it looks really rough and like it might scratch me,
Speaker 2: and like it looks like a bit, you know, like
Speaker 2: uneven or whatever, and it looks kind of hard and strong.
Speaker 2: And then I'll ask them to pick it up, and
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten it's completely different. Like they'll
Speaker 2: pick it up and it will just dissolve in their hands,
Speaker 2: or they'll turn it over and the color is really
Speaker 2: soft and sorry the shape. The shape's really soft, and
Speaker 2: the color's totally different on the other side. And I
Speaker 2: do that I exercise to help us realize just how
Speaker 2: multifaceted humans are. Today, I've got to meet you, and
Speaker 2: obviously we're spending a lot of deep, intimate, vulnerable time together,
Speaker 2: so you learn faster about someone. But if someone only
Speaker 2: follows someone on social media, or only sees someone at
Speaker 2: an event, or only sees one interview, it's so easy
Speaker 2: to create such a singular view of someone and I
Speaker 2: and I want to say this because I really think
Speaker 2: we all feel it. I don't think anyone wants to
Speaker 2: be seen in a singular way. If you had to
Speaker 2: choose one word that had to be you for the
Speaker 2: rest of your life, I don't think anyone wants that.
Speaker 2: I think we all know that we're messy and complex
Speaker 2: and different, of course, but we like to put someone
Speaker 2: else in a box, whoever that may be, because it's
Speaker 2: easier than to live life and say, okay, well that's
Speaker 2: person's a bright yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: So there's this beautiful piece of wisdom that I always
Speaker 2: share from Charles Horton Cooley, and he wrote this in
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety I think it was, which just shows how
Speaker 2: true this has been for such a long time and
Speaker 2: obviously long before that as well. And he said, the
Speaker 2: challenge today is I'm not what I think I am.
Speaker 2: I'm not what you think I am. I am what
Speaker 2: I think you think I am. And we'll let that
Speaker 2: blow everyone's mind. Yeah, Charles Houghton coolly said, the challenge
Speaker 2: today is I'm not what I think I am. I'm
Speaker 2: not what you think I am. I am what I
Speaker 2: think you think I am. And what he's trying to
Speaker 2: say is that we live in a perception of a
Speaker 2: perception of ourselves. So if I think you think I'm smart,
Speaker 2: then I allow myself to feel smart.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like we need that, family needs that validation.
Speaker 2: Or if I think you think I'm not smart, then
Speaker 2: I feel hurt. And the challenges I don't know what
Speaker 2: you're thinking at all, especially outside in the world, and
Speaker 2: so I find out what you're saying around like, well
Speaker 2: what do I think about myself? Like how do I
Speaker 2: feel about myself? How do the people that actually know
Speaker 2: me feel about me? I think that's really empowering. I
Speaker 2: wanted to ask you because I feel like from what
Speaker 2: I've seen and from what I've heard, you have great friendships.
Speaker 2: You have a great question with your families. You said, like,
Speaker 2: what do you think have been really great habits or
Speaker 2: traits in relationships that have helped you build up good
Speaker 2: friendships and family relationship Because I think for so many
Speaker 2: people sometimes their friendships and their family can often be
Speaker 2: the most difficult part. But I feel like the way
Speaker 2: you communicate, the way you're talking about it, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's some really good habits in place. Yeah. Yeah. Have
Speaker 2: there been any principles or rules that you've learned along
Speaker 2: the way that have been helpful?
Speaker 1: I mean, of course honesty. I'm a big person on
Speaker 1: like keeping a really honest, healthy, communicative relationship. But I
Speaker 1: also think, like I find it really important to have
Speaker 1: not feel like you're on top of each other when
Speaker 1: you have your family around or your friends around. It's
Speaker 1: okay to like sometimes even if you're at like a
Speaker 1: family dinner, running to the bathroom and just being like,
Speaker 1: let me just take a couple of breaths because this
Speaker 1: is getting overwhelming, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: just love to like take a second. My feelings are valid,
Speaker 1: Like sometimes my family's a lot, which I bet everyone
Speaker 1: all already knows family have a sense of crazy to them.
Speaker 1: But I think that I can get really overwhelmed really easily.
Speaker 1: I am prone to just you know, a good amount
Speaker 1: of anxiety and just being extremely overwhelmed and kind of
Speaker 1: taking everything too seriously sometimes. So I like to just
Speaker 1: step away sometimes and just be like, this is okay.
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to feel this way. It's valid. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna take a deep breath and I'm not going to react,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go back out there and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. That's a great times I do that.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love how easy it is. No
Speaker 2: one needs to learn a new meditation. So sometimes that's
Speaker 2: so yeah, it's as simple as that. I love that.
Speaker 2: I you know, one of the things that you know
Speaker 2: when which which really touched my heart when I saw this,
Speaker 2: because I think when things happen in culture and everyone
Speaker 2: talks about it, but sometimes you're like, okay, well I
Speaker 2: can tell that there's a real connection here, like when
Speaker 2: when you lost Virgil, Right like that, when I when
Speaker 2: I saw your message and what you spoke about it,
Speaker 2: I was like, wow, this is this is someone who
Speaker 2: had a really deep connection with this individual, and going
Speaker 2: through grief is really really tough, Like you know, people
Speaker 2: who lose and I lost two really close people to
Speaker 2: me during the pandemic. One was thank you. One was
Speaker 2: one was my spiritual teacher since I was twelve years old,
Speaker 2: and he died of stage four brain cancer and I
Speaker 2: hadn't seen him during the pandemic. I can go back
Speaker 2: for his because that was still when it was like yeahwn,
Speaker 2: so he couldn't go back for his funeral, and you know,
Speaker 2: he'd been the person who'd been such a key piece
Speaker 2: of my world. And then the other person, pretty much
Speaker 2: in the same year was my best friend as a monk,
Speaker 2: so he was still a monk, wow, and he having
Speaker 2: to get cancer and he passed to it during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: I can see him either, and he was my age
Speaker 2: and so to lose someone that was you know and
Speaker 2: he was still there and so yeah and so and
Speaker 2: so when I saw your you know, your wonderful tribute
Speaker 2: to Virgil as well, I was like, you know, how
Speaker 2: how do you process something like that when you know
Speaker 2: it's not only industry friends but genuine friendship beyond that,
Speaker 2: and just how yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, my first thought here is why is it always
Speaker 1: the best people? Like, why is it always these people
Speaker 1: that are just such balls of light in everyone's life?
Speaker 1: It's like, so you just think about it and you're like,
Speaker 1: this is so unfair, and you're going through every emotion,
Speaker 1: and to be honest, it was really shocking because not
Speaker 1: everyone knew what he was going through and suffering from,
Speaker 1: so it was really shocking. I'll never forget the day
Speaker 1: I found out, and it just absolutely obviously breaks your
Speaker 1: heart and you can't help but be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did I ever say enough? Did I ever tell him enough?
Speaker 1: It's really interesting to share that feeling with so many people.
Speaker 1: It feels good in a way, and you're just like
Speaker 1: everyone makes you feel so human, and you're sharing this
Speaker 1: emotion with people that knew him, people that didn't know him,
Speaker 1: people that just loved him from Afar, and it's just
Speaker 1: a really beautiful and incredible thing to a certain degree,
Speaker 1: but then also just obviously the most devastating thing. It
Speaker 1: hits so hard when so many people are talking about
Speaker 1: it and so many people are affected by it. So
Speaker 1: it was definitely really shocking, really sad time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah, and those and it's really
Speaker 2: interesting where you said there is like why And I
Speaker 2: had that with my spiritual teacher for sure. I was
Speaker 2: just like like he was, you know. And and what's
Speaker 2: really powerful about what I could at least remember from
Speaker 2: him at that time was that even though he had
Speaker 2: staged four brain cancer, which means he'd lost his short
Speaker 2: term memory and a lot of his long term memories impaired,
Speaker 2: if you ever met him, he would just thank you
Speaker 2: for your service to God. Like he would just say
Speaker 2: thank you for everything you're doing for other people, and
Speaker 2: he would just be grateful.
Speaker 4: And I was just like, that's exactly how v was too.
Speaker 1: He was the most positive lived life, like appreciative, wanted
Speaker 1: to say yes to everything, wanted to just be there
Speaker 1: for everyone. You could literally ask him to design a
Speaker 1: pencil for you and he would be like, it'll be
Speaker 1: done tomorrow. What else do you need? Like he just
Speaker 1: had so much to give and he gave it. And
Speaker 1: that wasn't that was pre his diagnosis. That was like,
Speaker 1: that was just who Virgil was. And so to then
Speaker 1: find out what he found out at a certain point
Speaker 1: in his life and still be that person and still
Speaker 1: like I'm going to show up for everyone, and like,
Speaker 1: my time here is so special to all these other
Speaker 1: people and I'm going to like be here to make
Speaker 1: them feel amazing. It's just like unreal, Like it makes
Speaker 1: you just be like what, Like how how could you
Speaker 1: be that incredible and giving? Like that is so crazy?
Speaker 1: There wasn't a selfish bone in that man's body, like
Speaker 1: he was just the best. Yeah, but I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: hear about your Oh.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think it's actually nice speaking about people
Speaker 2: that we both love in a similar way, even though
Speaker 2: they're in such different places in life doing very different things.
Speaker 2: But to talk about someone's and I think that's a
Speaker 2: big part of it for me, at least with grief,
Speaker 2: that I feel like when I talk about the beautiful
Speaker 2: qualities of the people that I lost, it gives me
Speaker 2: so much confidence that they want me to live it
Speaker 2: and they want me to try and embody it, and
Speaker 2: that how fortunate we are to have experienced that type
Speaker 2: of humanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And those are my thoughts of him. Like, I
Speaker 1: think all we ever really want is human beings, is
Speaker 1: to be you know, when we do leave this earth,
Speaker 1: we want to be remembered so beautifully and positively positively. Ali,
Speaker 1: I know at least I do, of course, but like
Speaker 1: you just want, you of course want to make people
Speaker 1: feel something, and he made so many people feel something,
Speaker 1: and for that it is so special, like what they
Speaker 1: say that we, you know, we have our purpose here,
Speaker 1: and I know that he fulfilled a purpose here that
Speaker 1: he was supposed to fulfill, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: I think about it beautifully, Like I obviously it's a
Speaker 1: very very sad situation and it breaks my heart, but
Speaker 1: I have nothing but beautiful thoughts of him, and I
Speaker 1: think that's really cool and really special.
Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you for sharing that too. And I
Speaker 2: had to ask you because yeah, I just I feel
Speaker 2: I love hearing amazing things about amazing people that you know,
Speaker 2: because I think so many of the most incredible people
Speaker 2: I grew up reading about people that I never met,
Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of my life studying books
Speaker 2: about people that I never met, some Malcolm X and
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King and Einstein and people that I really
Speaker 2: see as people that have directed so much of my
Speaker 2: life from how they lived. And I feel like he
Speaker 2: was potentially one of those people that I never met him,
Speaker 2: but whenever I hear about him, I'm just like sure,
Speaker 2: Oh this is someone that we could learn from. You
Speaker 2: spoke about purpose there. I was wondering, how is your
Speaker 2: purpose changed? You had this very confident view of I
Speaker 2: want to be a mono. You know you've superseded, exceeded,
Speaker 2: and continue to flourish in that world, and I always
Speaker 2: wish that you do. How has your purpose evolved as
Speaker 2: that time's gone on.
Speaker 1: I think I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot
Speaker 1: about myself about what I want from my life, and
Speaker 1: which is kind of what we've been talking about. But
Speaker 1: I'm actually really excited to get older and to learn
Speaker 1: so much more about not only myself, but like the
Speaker 1: journey and the path that I guess want to take
Speaker 1: and want to be on. So I'd say, you know,
Speaker 1: my purpose has evolved from obviously within business, doing what
Speaker 1: I want to do and making sure I'm happy and
Speaker 1: finding the thing that I love and all those things.
Speaker 1: But I've kind of, like I said, really tuned into
Speaker 1: me and I think my purpose at least at this
Speaker 1: very moment, and what I've kind of evolved into is
Speaker 1: my higher Goddess, like I am determined to tune into
Speaker 1: her at all times. But also as I get older,
Speaker 1: I have so much that I want to connect with
Speaker 1: other people and with you know, aka social media and
Speaker 1: people that may not know me personally, and just you
Speaker 1: know the following. Like I said, I was given this
Speaker 1: life for some reason, for whatever reason, I was placed here,
Speaker 1: and I do feel a per to share and connect
Speaker 1: and put a smile on people's faces or make someone
Speaker 1: feel a positive feeling. And so I think that within
Speaker 1: me wanting to achieve me tuning into my higher goddess,
Speaker 1: I think that also entails me being a great version
Speaker 1: of myself for other people to then experience, and my
Speaker 1: tips and my tools, whatever I can share, whatever help
Speaker 1: I can give. I I really, you know, as corny
Speaker 1: as it sounds, I want to spread like I want
Speaker 1: people to feel love. That's really I guess the purpose.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's beautiful.
Speaker 4: I mean we'll thank you, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: And it is funny that so much of the stuff
Speaker 2: that is corny or you know whatever, that's the stuff
Speaker 2: that's true, right, That's the stuff it is.
Speaker 1: Like, there's also just we all just like live in
Speaker 1: such a it's an interesting time obviously, and it can
Speaker 1: feel really negative. And I tend to stay off of
Speaker 1: platforms like social media platforms because it's hard to look
Speaker 1: at it sometimes and it feels really negative. So I
Speaker 1: feel like we all just need a little bit of
Speaker 1: a smile sometimes.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. I post these videos every day
Speaker 2: which are just these fun, silly things that happen yeah
Speaker 2: old that my team will find, I'll find, and I
Speaker 2: post them every day literally for that reason, and that
Speaker 2: reason only because I'm like, I may or may say,
Speaker 2: may or may not say something that makes someone smile,
Speaker 2: but this definitely, like this without will bring some joy.
Speaker 2: And if this is the only joy that someone experienced,
Speaker 2: I want them to see good in the world and
Speaker 2: believe that there's good in the wa.
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things to see on TikTok.
Speaker 1: When I sit in my bed at night and fall
Speaker 1: victim to TikTok, I love to see there's people that
Speaker 1: I'll post, like here's like five amazing facts that have
Speaker 1: happened in the world in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it'll be like the you know, pandas
Speaker 1: are not extinct anymore, and like the very great barrier
Speaker 1: reef is coming back and stuff like that, and so
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's so cool.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to hear exactly. And you know,
Speaker 2: if it was like it's going down, it's like it's
Speaker 2: going to get a lot of likes and hits, but
Speaker 2: it's going up.
Speaker 1: Why do we like gravitate towards the negative so much?
Speaker 1: Like very interesting?
Speaker 2: We have to retrain I genuinely believe it's just a pattern.
Speaker 2: It's a pattern and a habit that's been so long, absolutely,
Speaker 2: and we have to retrain ourselves clickbait.
Speaker 1: Of it all and the whole thing. And we're like,
Speaker 1: that's going downhill. I need to see what's happening, and
Speaker 1: we're just like, we do need to retrain our brains.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it starts with what you said earlier. It
Speaker 2: starts with how we see ourselves. It is all from that.
Speaker 2: If someone looks in the mirror as you were saying earlier,
Speaker 2: or if someone just reflects on themselves, not in the
Speaker 2: physically but just internally. Yeah, most of us will spot
Speaker 2: all the negative things about ourselves and then we take
Speaker 2: that out into the world and spot all the negative
Speaker 2: things about everyone else, and then we take that out
Speaker 2: into social media.
Speaker 4: So that just propels from all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we ask someone to sit down and write down.
Speaker 2: As you said, we feel uncomfortable taking a compliment, or
Speaker 2: we feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Saying saying nice about herself, so exactly.
Speaker 2: And so it all starts with our relationship with ourselves.
Speaker 2: If we were able to find three good things about
Speaker 2: ourselves today, I promise you're going to find three good
Speaker 2: things about the person sitting in front of you, and
Speaker 2: that will right exactly.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of like inner child work with
Speaker 1: my therapist, and there's actually a trend on TikTok that
Speaker 1: was going around, but coincidentally enough, we ended up naturally
Speaker 1: speaking about it in my session and it was like
Speaker 1: this trend on TikTok. I guess that was like a
Speaker 1: girl being like, anytime you're being mean to yourself, just
Speaker 1: think this is who you're talking about. And then it
Speaker 1: flashes to like a photo of her as a kid,
Speaker 1: and so I me and my therapist were talking about
Speaker 1: something similar and she was like, why don't you find
Speaker 1: like a photo of yourself and put it on your
Speaker 1: bathroom mirror so that every morning, every night, every day,
Speaker 1: when you walk into your bathroom mirror, you're looking at
Speaker 1: her and you're remembering that. If there's anything negative that
Speaker 1: you're ever saying about your if you're ever being mean
Speaker 1: to yourself, you're talking about her. And so I did that,
Speaker 1: and I went into my I went into like my
Speaker 1: memorabilia closet in my house, and I was looking through
Speaker 1: old like photo books. And I've seen these photo books
Speaker 1: my whole life. I've literally seen every photo that's been
Speaker 1: in here. And I like flipped to a page and
Speaker 1: there was a photo I'd never seen of myself ever.
Speaker 1: It was a polaroid, so it was the original photo
Speaker 1: and it was just me as a little girl with
Speaker 1: a bow in my hair out and a dress on,
Speaker 1: and I have like a little alien tattoo or something
Speaker 1: right here, and I'm like, have this big cheesy smile
Speaker 1: on my face. And I was like, that's the photo
Speaker 1: I'm putting on my thing. I can show you the
Speaker 1: photo later. I have a picture of it on my phone.
Speaker 1: But so I pasted it on my bathroom mirror, and
Speaker 1: I talked to her. And I'm always like, if I'm
Speaker 1: ever looking in the mirror and being negative towards myself
Speaker 1: or anything, I always look right over to her and
Speaker 1: I'm like, she's dope, and I love her. And so
Speaker 1: It's just another way of just self life.
Speaker 2: I love that. That's such a great tool. That's such
Speaker 2: a great too. My team found a kid picture of
Speaker 2: me and made an embarrassing of that trend.
Speaker 1: So I'll show you that too, Okay, so you know it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly as well, Keto. You were saying earlier
Speaker 2: that you know you you wanted to come here, and
Speaker 2: you you wanted to share and manifested, and there were
Speaker 2: things you wanted to share. What is it that's on
Speaker 2: your heart that you've wanted to share that Maybe we
Speaker 2: didn't go there today already, or is there something on
Speaker 2: your mind and heart, is an experience or any anything
Speaker 2: that really drew you here and made this happen, right, Like,
Speaker 2: I want to honor that.
Speaker 1: I think we've obviously we've honestly touched a lot of
Speaker 1: what I felt like I would have loved to get
Speaker 1: off my heart. I don't know. I was really excited,
Speaker 1: honestly to come here and share a little bit of
Speaker 1: me that I feel is very sometimes scary for me
Speaker 1: to share. And like I said, I came in here
Speaker 1: and I was a little nervous because this is important
Speaker 1: to me, and like this part of you know everyone's
Speaker 1: journey and what we're talking about today is it's so important.
Speaker 1: I really that was I guess my intention here today
Speaker 1: was to come in and share a little bit of
Speaker 1: me and maybe for whoever's watching, they find some comfort
Speaker 1: in this, or some joy from this, or they understand
Speaker 1: me a little bit more, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: I think that we've hit a lot of really cool
Speaker 1: points and yeah, I mean I feel I feel really
Speaker 1: good good.
Speaker 2: I wanted to honor that. I asked that because you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think when when you feel you're in
Speaker 2: that flow with someone and yeah, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: we've learned so many new things about you today, and
Speaker 2: there's so many moments where I'm like, I just feel
Speaker 2: like you're so comfortable and you've been so open with us.
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to honor that thank you, to
Speaker 2: make sure that you feel that you've really felt heard
Speaker 2: and seeing it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that thank you so.
Speaker 1: So we all want to just be understood at the
Speaker 1: end of the day.
Speaker 2: I think the closer you get to people humans, the
Speaker 2: closer you get to people of different backgrounds and different
Speaker 2: walks of life, the more you start to recognize how similar.
Speaker 4: We all are, yeah, exactly, and how many.
Speaker 2: Challenges we all share, despite how much money someone has
Speaker 2: in the bank, despite how much fame someone has, despite
Speaker 2: how much follows someone as And what we find is
Speaker 2: that everyone feels their own guilt for where they are,
Speaker 2: and everyone feels their own pressure for where they are,
Speaker 2: and everyone feels their own challenge for where they and
Speaker 2: you just start to realize that we all have the
Speaker 2: same emotions in different mixes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all just having a human experience exactly. We're
Speaker 1: all just going day by day. I think we all
Speaker 1: need to be a little bit kinder to each other
Speaker 1: and just take it easy on some people because we are.
Speaker 1: We're all we all have our own struggles. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm an EmPATH, so I like feel for
Speaker 1: things and I feel for people and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it starts with you the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly. Tell yourself with yourself.
Speaker 2: If you can be kinder to yourself, chances are you're
Speaker 2: going to be I found that the days I stop
Speaker 2: judging myself of judging others, because it changed how I
Speaker 2: saw humanities. Yeah, Ken do we end every on Purpose
Speaker 2: episode with a final five, which is a fast five round.
Speaker 2: I ask you a question and you answer it with
Speaker 2: a one word or one sentence maximum, so it's super
Speaker 2: quick and share. Okay, okay, and we have to whisk
Speaker 2: you away because you need to you need to go
Speaker 2: to your next appointment. But okay, So the first question
Speaker 2: is what's something you're curious about right now?
Speaker 1: Ooh, I am super curious about I was saying how
Speaker 1: I love Michael Singer, and I think what I really love.
Speaker 1: I'm reading The Surrender Experiment right now, and I'm only
Speaker 1: in the first couple chapters, so he's basically this is
Speaker 1: not a quick answer. He's basically the first part of
Speaker 1: the book where he's talking about how he was curious
Speaker 1: about meditation and how he got into meditation and how
Speaker 1: he really just was like on a trip with his
Speaker 1: friends and his girlfriend in the woods and like sat
Speaker 1: in a corner or sat at a tree and was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to just really dive into this and see
Speaker 1: what happens. That's what I'm curious about right now is
Speaker 1: just actually, like I meditate, I do a lot of
Speaker 1: breathing work, breathing exercises, and I just really want to
Speaker 1: tap in. Yeah, like Michael Singer did I love that.
Speaker 2: That's a great answer. That's a great answer. Circond question,
Speaker 2: if there's anything that you're working on personally right now?
Speaker 2: What are you working on on yourself?
Speaker 1: Is there any Yes, I'm working on I'm working on boundaries,
Speaker 1: and I'm working on not a stressor like I can
Speaker 1: stress about things in my mind and I overthink and
Speaker 1: I just so I'm really working on like calming down
Speaker 1: and just letting things flow better and not being so
Speaker 1: controlling over things, especially that I can't control.
Speaker 2: Love it. Question number three, what's your favorite thing about founding?
Speaker 2: Eight one eight ooh, being an entrepreneur, being a founder?
Speaker 1: Probably that Like I, I, you know, was a model
Speaker 1: and I worked for people a lot. I kind of
Speaker 1: love being my own boss and really being able to
Speaker 1: have my own creative a place where I can be
Speaker 1: creative and just really express my creativity and have so
Speaker 1: much fun doing all of that creative stuff. And I've
Speaker 1: learned so much and learning about the culture and learning
Speaker 1: about the tequila and everything. Like I've just had the
Speaker 1: best time.
Speaker 2: So I love that question Before what's something you used
Speaker 2: to value but you don't value anymore?
Speaker 1: Validation? I don't care anymore, at least I'm telling myself that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to first right, No, but it's true, Like
Speaker 1: I used to care so much more about validation, I
Speaker 1: really don't care anymore at least, thank you.
Speaker 2: Fifth and final question. If you could create one law
Speaker 2: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would
Speaker 2: it be.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would do like on like a Sunday, you
Speaker 1: have to take half the day and like not look
Speaker 1: at your phone or something.
Speaker 2: I love that's leg That's great, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Kind of nice. Or the full day really crazy? I
Speaker 1: love that idea.
Speaker 2: I love that. Kendel Jenner. Everyone, this was amazing, Kendal,
Speaker 2: this honestly, and I'm excited to catch up afterwards too.
Speaker 2: But there was just so much flow and synergy in
Speaker 2: this whole thing happening, and I couldn't thank you more
Speaker 2: for doing this with me here on on purpose. And
Speaker 2: I hope that this is the first and many times
Speaker 2: that will do this, but I hope it's the beginning
Speaker 2: of a beautiful friendship and relationship. And I want to
Speaker 2: everyone who's been listening or watching back at home, please
Speaker 2: let me and Kendle know, tag us, letting us know
Speaker 2: what resonated with you, what connected with you, like, what
Speaker 2: was it that you've got curious about, or what was
Speaker 2: something she said that just shifted your perspective or where
Speaker 2: you learned something new. I'd love to hear it. I
Speaker 2: know there are tons of moments for me where I
Speaker 2: was listening going this is amazing, this is incredible, This
Speaker 2: is awesome. So any wisdom nuggets that stuck out to you,
Speaker 2: please let us know because I love seeing what made
Speaker 2: a difference in your life as well. And a big
Speaker 2: thank you to Kendall for opening our heart and opening.
Speaker 4: Up our mind.
Speaker 1: Thank you too, honored, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. That's amazing.
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