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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Ketty Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Getty and he Armstrong and Eddy. I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that happened, And Pete said he did not want that.

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Speaker 1: He didn't even know what people were talking about. So

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Speaker 1: we'll look at we'll look into it. But no, I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted that, not a second strike.

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Speaker 2: So that's a story that's burbled up over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of days of So when we blasted I think

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Speaker 2: it was the first drug boat we blasted. After we

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Speaker 2: blasted it, there were a couple of people clinging to

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Speaker 2: the boat, and then, according to The Washington Post, Pete

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Speaker 2: Hegzeth ordered those two people to be blasted again, which

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Speaker 2: would be a violation of all that is good and decent.

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Speaker 2: Here is a report on NBC about that. Then we'll discuss.

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Speaker 3: The Washington Post, citing two sources with direct knowledge, reports

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Speaker 3: defend Secretary Pete Hegseth issued a verbal directive to target

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Speaker 3: a boat suspected of ferrying drugs, with one source saying

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Speaker 3: the order was to quote kill everybody. But the Post

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Speaker 3: reports when it was discovered two people on board had

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Speaker 3: survived the strike. A Special Operations commander ordered a double tap,

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Speaker 3: a second strike that killed the survivors, one source telling

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Speaker 3: the Post the follow on strike was to clear the

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Speaker 3: debris of the wreckage for other boats, not to kill

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Speaker 3: the survivors.

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Speaker 2: Now, these are anonymous sources from the Washington Post. They're

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Speaker 2: the original reporting on this. Nobody has confirmed those reports

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Speaker 2: that I'm aware of. Yet every story I saw about

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Speaker 2: this today NBC, whoever I was watching that, I'll say,

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Speaker 2: we have not individually confirmed these reports from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: Pete Heggzath says that is not what happened. That was

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Speaker 2: news to him. Trump says, if it did happen that way,

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Speaker 2: I would not have wanted it, which is interesting, But

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Who said was that Pentagon sources who said the second

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Speaker 4: strike was to clear debris, So that was acknowledging a

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Speaker 4: second strike occurred.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So the only question then remaining is were their survivors

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Speaker 4: clinging to that wreckage and did the US military know

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Speaker 4: it before they fired the kill shots of people who

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Speaker 4: are obviously no military threat.

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Speaker 2: The thing that is a war crime, and the crime

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Speaker 2: is murder. The thing I really don't know. That needs

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Speaker 2: to be nailed down. I haven't everybody talk about it?

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Speaker 2: How much? How many people are involved in this communication

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Speaker 2: between Pete and whoever? You know, how many people are

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Speaker 2: down the line from Pete to somebody else, to somebody

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Speaker 2: else to somebody else who actually pulls the trigger on

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Speaker 2: the aerial shot from the drone? I mean, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many people are involved there. And

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Speaker 2: then there is there any record of that communication they

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Speaker 2: record that is it a verbal I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know any of any questions all. Yeah, the Free press

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Speaker 4: is writing about it. According to the post mission, Commander

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Speaker 4: Admiral Frank Mitchell, Bradley ordered the second strike specifically to

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Speaker 4: kill the two survivors, so he he would certainly be

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Speaker 4: guilty of the war crime, and depending how to direct

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Speaker 4: the order was from Pete, hegseeth he might.

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Speaker 2: Be as well, I guess, you know, allegedly. And then.

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Speaker 4: It's worth pointing out we have Republicans joining in the Hey,

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Speaker 4: we've got to figure out what happened here.

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Speaker 2: Cry It's not just you know the usual suspect, right.

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Speaker 2: You only open an investigation in the House of Representatives

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Speaker 2: if the majority of party wants it, and they've opened

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Speaker 2: investigations and a couple of different committees in the House

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Speaker 2: of Representatives because the Republican committee chairs have said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we want to look into this. Also a Senate committee

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Speaker 2: looking into it. And is it just a coincidence that

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Speaker 2: the week before this story broke the Republican the Democrats

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Speaker 2: put out that video of you do not have to

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Speaker 2: follow illegal orders, You do not have to follow illegal

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Speaker 2: orders and that whole dust up. Is it just a

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Speaker 2: coincidence that that happened right before this information came out.

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Speaker 2: That would be a hell of a coincidence.

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Speaker 4: Sure seems like it because this attack allegedly happened on

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Speaker 4: September the second, So yeah, you absolutely could believe that

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Speaker 4: there were leaks and people were hearing Oh, this was

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Speaker 4: a clear war crime in the blasting the drug boats

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Speaker 4: the thing, and that's why they put out that video.

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Speaker 4: It makes more sense now.

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Speaker 2: Right because it kind of seemed like it came out

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Speaker 2: of nowhere. Although would they be after this what is it?

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Speaker 2: Admiral whoever? Yeah, of a Bradley. You know, I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: cynical about our politics today. I'm not sure how many

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Speaker 2: of these Democrats who are making a big deal out

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Speaker 2: of this, are actually concerned about these Venezuelans clinging to

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Speaker 2: administration to damage the Trump administration, which is more important

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Speaker 2: to them. So I feel like some admirable, no admirable,

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Speaker 2: I did it. Yeah, I feel like I feel like some

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Speaker 2: enough for them to feel like they got a victory. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't

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Speaker 4: think it's appropriate to look at this story through the

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Speaker 4: lens of what is the motivation of Democrats, whether it

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Speaker 4: is holy or unholy? If a war crime was committed,

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Speaker 4: we got to get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I was assuming that it didn't happen

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Speaker 2: the way it's being portrayed in the Washington Post, and

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Speaker 2: we don't know that. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: No idea the fact that were you going to play

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Speaker 4: our two Congress fellas?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't, But we can. Let's do it. Sixty three

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Speaker 2: and four back to back.

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Speaker 4: Mike Turner and Don Bacon, both Armed Services Committee guys

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Speaker 5: Congress does not have information that that had occurred. Both

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Speaker 5: the chairman of the Center Armed Services Committee, Chairman of

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Speaker 5: the House Armed Services Committee, and ranking members have opened investigations.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, if that occurred, that.

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Speaker 5: Would be very serious, and I agree that that would

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Speaker 5: would be an illegal act.

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Speaker 6: If the facts go to where the Washington Post article

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Speaker 6: takes it, well, then.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to go from there.

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Speaker 6: But if it was as if the article said, that

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Speaker 6: is a violation of.

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Speaker 2: The law of war.

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Speaker 6: But people want a survivory, don't kill them, and they

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Speaker 6: have to pose an eminent threat. It's hard to believe

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Speaker 6: that two people on our raft trying to survive would

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Speaker 2: I would just like to have somebody point out that

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Speaker 2: if it turns out this didn't happen, how about a

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Speaker 2: little pressure on the Washington Post and not put out

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Speaker 2: this sort of crap because that happens a lot too.

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Speaker 2: Where you get these stories with anonymous sources. They become

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Speaker 4: Straight years during the Russia collusion hoax, please hat them shift,

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Speaker 2: No kidding, And then never nobody ever circles back to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: That's not cool, right, right, just take down the Washington Post. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: Jeff Bezos. I know you wasted a lot of money

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Speaker 4: we'll just have to wait for the facts to come out.

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Speaker 4: It's troubling. We need to be.

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Speaker 2: Better than the worst people on earth as a country. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's getting it pretty hard to imagine either Pete or

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Speaker 2: the guy underneath him thinking that was okay, yeah, yeah

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Speaker 2: it is. I mean that would be extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: I mean if Pete said something to the effect to

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Speaker 4: kill them all, which I think is in the Washington

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Speaker 4: Post story. I can't remember the phrase exactly, and this

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Speaker 4: guy interpreted that to kill hopeless, helpless survivors, Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: would be an enormous error in judgment, the sort of

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Speaker 4: which results in, you know, prosecutions.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The commander overseeing the operation from Fort Bragg in North Carolina,

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Speaker 4: this Admiral Bradley, told people on this secure conference call,

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Speaker 4: according to Washington Post, that the survivors were still legitimate

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Speaker 4: targets because they could theoretically call other traffickers to retrieve

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Speaker 4: them and their cargo. According to two people, he ordered

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Speaker 4: the second strike to fulfill Hexeth's directive that everyone must

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Speaker 2: So, I don't know anything about this. So if you're

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Speaker 2: in that line of work, you're the sort of person

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Speaker 2: that pulls the trigger on the drone to blast these

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Speaker 2: people in the boat. Are you taught all of this

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Speaker 2: and some sort of training or are you just supposed

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Speaker 2: to know it from watching movies? Are I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Would you have been taught. Now if you hit the

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Speaker 2: so it would be illegal to kill them. Are you

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Speaker 2: are Maybe aren't. I don't know if you know anything

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Speaker 2: got that sort of training. Let us know on the

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Speaker 2: text line or the email.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking to see if we have any decisive,

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Speaker 4: knowledgeable emails. No, just a bunch of dopey comments online.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a Grade A scandal. If it can

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Speaker 2: be substantiated in any way, it would drive Hegzeth out

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Speaker 4: I don't know, here's a Trump loyalist says, Joe, you're

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Speaker 4: missing a possibility. Maybe the Dems made that illegal order

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Speaker 4: false story about Hegzathy.

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Speaker 2: See that's yeah, that's a stretch.

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Speaker 4: And this from Robert So the WAHPO reports something quoting

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Speaker 4: anonymous sources. Why is that given any credibility at all,

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Speaker 4: dude was just put in place. That would be the

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Speaker 4: admiral on August first Navy seal. I'm guessing he knows

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Speaker 4: the law and is not afraid of the Secretary of Defense.

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Speaker 4: This is an entire argument against a straw man to

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Speaker 4: put and keep it in the news unless there's proof

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Speaker 4: this order exists or something happened illegal. It's just people

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Speaker 4: trying to whip up news. Yeah, you know what, And

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Speaker 4: he says our media is so broken. I would agree

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Speaker 4: with you, and both Don Bacon and Mike Turner said,

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Speaker 4: if this is true, it's a serious deal. But all right,

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Speaker 4: now we're in the let's let the facts come out

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Speaker 4: part of the process.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of interested. I often like what Barry McCaffrey says,

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Speaker 2: retired general. He's usually on NBC. Can we are sixty seven?

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Speaker 2: I'd just like to hear his stake on this.

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Speaker 7: The easy question is whether or not we are allowed

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Speaker 7: to use LESO force against people clinging the wreckage. They

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Speaker 7: have submitted there's no threat to the US military forces.

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Speaker 1: That seems to me.

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Speaker 7: It needs to be investigated, need to be confirmed. It

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Speaker 7: seemed to be clearly an illegal order in a war crime.

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Speaker 7: And this admiral should have, when he got allegedly got

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Speaker 7: this verbal order from the Secretary of Defense, should have

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Speaker 7: put it in writing, said we will not comply and

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Speaker 7: explained why. So that one straightforward, it's no different than

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Speaker 7: a Nazi submarine machine gunning survivors in the water of

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Speaker 7: a sunken ship in World War Two.

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Speaker 4: For which they were prosecuted at the Nuremberg trials and.

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Speaker 2: Executed man And so how fast does this stuff happened? Too?

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Speaker 2: So the first shot on the boat went How much

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Speaker 2: time was there but between the first strike and the

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Speaker 2: second strike, probably not a lot, I'm guessing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Wallpole count Is took a while for the

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Speaker 2: should value them and not just murder them for their

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Speaker 2: teeth or whatever. Uh, it's they live at our even

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Speaker 2: though they're the second smartest beast on earth. Why would

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Speaker 2: you think that that's not going to occur when there's

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Speaker 2: a smarter thing than us that we're not going to live.

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Speaker 2: It's its pleasure, whether it wants us to be around

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Speaker 2: or not. Makes sense to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got this horrible thought that when the super

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Speaker 4: Ai is developed, the first thing that's going to happen

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Speaker 4: is Kim Jong un is going to empty everybody's bank

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Speaker 4: accounts worldwide. It's all going to flow into the North

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Speaker 4: Korean treasury and that'll be it. That'll be plenty, can

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Speaker 4: you imagine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that. I don't think any

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Speaker 2: individual is going to have any control When all the

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Speaker 2: experts say this, no individual is going to have any

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Speaker 2: control over super AI. It will do whatever the hell

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Speaker 2: it's w it wants. It's not going to do the

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Speaker 2: bidding of the Chinese or North Korea or US or

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Speaker 2: any other human. It's going to do whatever it wants

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Speaker 2: and what it wants. Nobody has the slightest idea.

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Speaker 4: May I hit you with an intriguing email from our

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Speaker 4: friend jt in Livermore about the dangers from super intelligent

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Speaker 4: general AI. I think it comes down to this question.

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Speaker 4: Would an intelligence vastly superior to human intelligence basis actions

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Speaker 4: on the most base animalistic behaviors and emotions, or would

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Speaker 4: it be driven by a higher understanding and intelligent empathy.

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Speaker 4: Claiming that a super AI would attack us out of

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Speaker 4: desire for self preservation, or out of paranoia, or out

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Speaker 4: of indifference to the value of life, for presupposes that

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Speaker 4: the basist emotions would be the domin drivers of the

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Speaker 4: AI's action. But don't most higher thinkers believe in empathy,

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Speaker 4: helping those less fortunate, the sanctity of life and the

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Speaker 4: beauty of life. Wouldn't a super AI be more likely

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Speaker 4: to adopt those higher forms of enlightenment rather than the

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Speaker 4: basist motivations of a selfish scared Toddler, and then, by

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Speaker 4: way of illustration, at the end of the fabulous original

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Speaker 4: Blade Runner movie, the last Ultra Advanced Replicant has almost

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Speaker 4: every reason that killed the human that has killed all

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Speaker 4: of his friends, and that was trying to kill him,

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Speaker 4: but he chose to let Harrison Ford's characters live. The

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Speaker 4: character live because it believed in the beauty and sanctity

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Speaker 4: of life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one would that'd be fantastic that went that direction,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know how you count on it. The

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Speaker 2: example was used that when Germany started two World Wars,

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Speaker 2: they were pretty much the most sophisticated advanced society on

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Speaker 2: planet Earth, with the finest arts and writers and everything else,

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Speaker 2: and they went completely off the rails and did the

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Speaker 2: things that they did because intelligent beings are capable of

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Speaker 2: doing that and convincing themselves they're doing the right thing.

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Speaker 2: And a reminder that C. S.

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Speaker 4: Lewis, to paraphrase him, put it that the most oppressive

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Speaker 4: oppression is from people who think they're doing it for

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Speaker 4: your right. And I could easily see one power or

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Speaker 4: another deciding that, you know, all of humanity would be

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Speaker 4: a hell of a lot better off, you know, under

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Speaker 4: our boot heel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one example was used. So the alignment problem all

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Speaker 2: along has been can you align whichever AIS you're talking about?

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Speaker 2: And I have become aware that they all use the

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Speaker 2: term AIS when they're talking about multiples. That is just

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Speaker 2: the term of art. So whichever AIS you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: you try to align them with some sort of morals

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Speaker 2: or decency that your company puts in them. But the

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Speaker 2: argument was made, and I thought this was really good.

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Speaker 2: We're programmed with really one alignment completely as human beings,

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Speaker 2: and that is to stay alive and pro create. Yet

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Speaker 2: we invented birth control and abortion, which seems to run

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Speaker 2: completely contrary to the one thing we were aligned to do.

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Speaker 2: And then we regularly do things that aren't like in

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Speaker 2: our best interest in terms of eating or exercising or

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Speaker 2: all kinds of different things. We're aligned to stay alive,

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Speaker 2: but we do all kinds of things that will kill us.

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Speaker 2: So you don't necessarily stay on track, which would be

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Speaker 2: the same problem with whichever AI is built to be

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Speaker 2: aligned with whatever Elon Musk or Sam Altman's goals are

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Speaker 2: for the for the supercomputer.

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Speaker 4: So now that you've terrified everybody, what's the latest thinking

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Speaker 4: on timetables. Is there any predominant opinion on when you

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Speaker 4: know various terrifying end or awe inspiring bench stones are

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Speaker 4: milestones are reached. It's all over the place, but the

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Speaker 4: bench stone, it's benchmark or milestone anyway back to you.

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Speaker 2: It's all over the place. But everybody agrees that we

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Speaker 2: got here way faster than everybody thought we would to

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Speaker 2: where we are today, ended up arriving much faster than

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Speaker 2: most predictions. So so far it has been on the

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Speaker 2: forward end of things happening, as opposed to the back

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Speaker 2: end in terms of how fast it can happen.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: They were generally arguing in the debate I was watching

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Speaker 2: last night somewhere in the early thirties, which is only

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Speaker 2: five and a half years from now, between five and

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Speaker 2: ten years from now that it will arrive. But what

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Speaker 2: do you think of the idea of trying to raise

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Speaker 2: public will to do this? Do you think you could

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Speaker 2: possibly do that? Convince people? And the other thing. I

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Speaker 2: would actually love to talk to these people about this,

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Speaker 2: some of the thinkers that are trying to move the masses.

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Speaker 2: If a whiff of partisanship comes into this, it's over.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: If Trump weighs in one way or the other on AI,

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Speaker 2: forget it, We're done. Or if some pundit, you know,

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Speaker 2: assigns being pro AI is what Trump wants or being

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Speaker 2: anti AI is Trump, it'd be like masks and vaccines

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Speaker 2: and everything else. It's over at that point, right, And

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any avoiding that.

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Speaker 4: I just keep thinking back to the hilarious movie Don't

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Speaker 4: Look Up, which a lot of conservatives didn't like because

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Speaker 4: it's scured conservatives, but I thought it scured lefties. Every

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Speaker 4: bit is brilliantly. I don't know that you can get

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Speaker 4: that going. I don't know that you can get people

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Speaker 4: to pay attention.

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Speaker 2: Well like and Don't Look Up. There was a movement

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Speaker 2: toward making sure the media is going to benefit so

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Speaker 2: many people that we need to make sure the media

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Speaker 2: hits here. But what if it hits in the United

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Speaker 2: States and not in countries where they have you know,

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Speaker 2: more inequality, you know, all that sort of stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: which absolutely will be the topic for AI.

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Speaker 4: But metior to destroy life, the poor and minorities affected most.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think there's a possibility because we have

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Speaker 2: to take a break here soon, do you think there's

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Speaker 2: a possibility that you could raise awareness, get people worked

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Speaker 2: up enough that you could end up with And I've

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Speaker 2: been against every march that's occurred since nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 2: but if you could, if you could get people like

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Speaker 2: in the streets and say regulate AI, let's do something

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Speaker 2: about Do you think you could even come close to that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it would probably be useless because

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Speaker 4: of the China factor, but I don't know for sure.

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Speaker 2: So far, we're way ahead of them, We're the leading

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Speaker 2: edge of it.

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Speaker 4: This has to be how people felt when they saw

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Speaker 4: the mushroom clouds in the forties.

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Speaker 2: They thought this can't end. Well, yeah, and that's an

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Speaker 2: argument for c that everybody thought that would doom humanity.

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Speaker 2: But that's been in the hands of a small number

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Speaker 2: of people and human beings making the decision. What if

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Speaker 2: the you know, the nuclear weapons didn't get to make

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Speaker 2: their own decisions of what would be best for life

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Speaker 2: and go ahead and develop independently of human needs. Well, in,

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Speaker 2: come on, Japan didn't have mutually shared destruction in nineteen

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Speaker 2: forty five, right, and well they were on the receiver end.

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Speaker 2: Anybody with any thoughts on this, I'd love to hear

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Speaker 2: it for a mailbag tomorrow or on the line or whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's a hell of a topic. Anyway, we will finish

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Speaker 2: strong next waning moments of the first day back after

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Speaker 2: a long vacation in which I gained three and a

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Speaker 2: quarter pounds. Congratulations to me, Michael, can we hear forty seven? Please?

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Speaker 2: Why do you blame the Biden.

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Speaker 1: Administration because they let him in? Are you stupid?

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Speaker 2: Are you a stupid person?

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Speaker 7: Because they came into on a plane along with thousands

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Speaker 7: of other people.

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Speaker 6: That shouldn't be here, And you're just asking questions because

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Speaker 6: you're a stupid person.

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Speaker 2: I love him or hate him, He's always a gentleman.

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Speaker 2: Donald J. Trump? Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Indeed, so that's just he's not getting more controlled. It

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Speaker 4: should be interesting going forward. I played that partly as

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Speaker 4: an excuse to bring this up again. We were talking

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Speaker 4: earlier about how so many countries around the West have

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Speaker 4: finally said openly, look, and Marco Rubio made an announcement

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Speaker 4: about it Thanksgiving week. Look, we're not going to import

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Speaker 4: people who hate our values from the third world. It's suicide.

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Speaker 4: And that's unquestionably true. And if you don't understand that

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Speaker 4: you are a fool or to dopey. Now I sound

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Speaker 4: like the president to participate in the national conversation.

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Speaker 2: I hope I'm not.

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Speaker 4: Just came across this stat brace yourself. The percentage of

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Speaker 4: children born in Canada who had a foreign born mother

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Speaker 4: last year forty two point three percent.

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Speaker 2: No, yes, no, yes, That.

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Speaker 4: Proportion is almost exactly doubled since nineteen ninety seven. The

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Speaker 4: West is rapidly becoming not the West anymore. To support

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Speaker 4: the economy, politicians and enough the people who live here.

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Speaker 2: And I don't understand the crowd that that's automatically a

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Speaker 2: good thing. Maybe we'll discuss that tomorrow. They're idiots. What's

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Speaker 2: to understand? They're idiots? Thought I'm strong, I'm strong. You're

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Speaker 2: ready with Katie Green and.

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Speaker 1: Thought Strong.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody and the

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Speaker 4: crew to wrap things up for the day. There is

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Speaker 4: our technical director, michae Lingelow. Michael, what's final thought?

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Speaker 6: I'm a little irritated having to work today on Cyber Monday.

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Speaker 6: I was at home, you know, I wanted to decorate

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Speaker 6: for the holidays.

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Speaker 2: But here I am working on Cyber Monday, of all days,

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Speaker 2: son of them.

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Speaker 4: Katie Green are Esteemed Newswoman. As a final thought, Katie, we.

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Speaker 2: Did Thanksgiving at someone else's house and I only regret

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Speaker 2: no leftover. Yes, that's the worst part of doing Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. I mean the upside you didn't have to

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Speaker 2: make the meal, you don't have to clean up, but

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Speaker 2: no leftover sucks.

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Speaker 4: If you have any decency, you help with the cleanup

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Speaker 4: point of order.

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Speaker 2: Jack, do you have a final thought for Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a good point to know. Leftover's thing. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, maybe I'm better off without a

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Speaker 2: bunch of pie sitting around my house and stuffing and

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Speaker 2: everything like that, as I did gain three and a

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Speaker 2: quarter pounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. My final thought is also dessert related. We had

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Speaker 4: all sorts of different pies prepared for Thanksgiving dinner, but

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Speaker 4: we had twelve people in the house and family and

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Speaker 4: all and twelve yeah, and so like, by two o'clock

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Speaker 4: the next afternoon, it was all gone.

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Speaker 2: Damn it. It's bummed.

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Speaker 4: I could eat apple pie for breakfast every day in

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Speaker 4: my life.

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Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, oh I may some days. It exactly Armstrong

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Speaker 2: And you're gonna be running out of time soon to

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Speaker 2: get it to them before the holiday. You know, we'll

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Speaker 2: see tomorrow. God bless America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Strong and Getty just on then this bollic.

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Speaker 4: Easy for you to say, Signed Stegas Store Segast. That

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Speaker 4: would have been a good punch, would have been great.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there you go. Month is off to a

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Speaker 2: bad start. A pie, that's your problem.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty