WEBVTT - Larkin Poe 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.440 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:18.760 My guests today are Rebecca and Megan Level of Larkin Poe. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.720 Good to have you on the podcast. I got to 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.320 ask the obvious question, the name Larkin Poe, where does 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:25.000 it come from? 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.280 So Larkin Poe is the name of our great great 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:31.040 great great grandfather, and since we're sisters, we wanted to 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.159 take on a name that has family significance, so we 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.280 thought his name was really cool. And he's also a 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.640 cousin of Edgar Allen Poe, so we'll take that distant connection. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.839 Well, let's start at the beginning. Did you grow up 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.560 with this legend of Lark and Poe? 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.040 We did, actually, I think coming from a Southern family, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.200 there's a lot of stories that are passed around, so 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.600 I remember as children hearing a lot of stories from 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.639 our aunts and uncles about their father, their grandfather, their 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.639 great grace all the way up. But to be honest 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.800 with you, we didn't actually know about the Edgar Allen 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.920 Poe connection until we were already in our teens and 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.280 had read a lot of Eggar Allan Poe, and so 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.520 we were especially titillated by the connection. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.400 Based on the fact that we were fans. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.520 So how did you find out the connection? 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.160 Yeah, through a cousin, Linda Sinka. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.640 She's the family genealogist, and so she just sixth and 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.360 time and mapped out the family tree. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.120 Okay, so you had a group with your sister, the 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:37.240 Lovell Sisters, and then you started your own act Blues Rock. 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.480 Was Larkin Poe like the first name or did you 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.520 go through like twenty five names and decided on Lark 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:44.080 and Poe? 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.120 You know, I think that we committed pretty quickly. 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:50.640 We knew we wanted to have like a family name, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.120 so that definitely narrowed the herd. But we definitely didn't 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.800 premeditate the fact that it would be so hard for 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.400 people to pronounce. Like running joke is you know which 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:02.840 one's Larkin, which one's. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:04.640 Poe or Larkin and Po. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.920 We've actually rolled up to the theaters before and had 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.600 our name on the marquee as Larkin and Po. And 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.560 it's like, at what point did you or did you 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.720 not read the contract, mister promoter. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.160 The other two members of the band on stage, are 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.919 they full fledged members of Larkin Poe? 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:30.000 No, Larkin Poe is Rebecca and I from the ground up, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.519 and we have always hired members to come along with us, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.720 and it's normally always been a pretty stripped back operation, 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.360 like on stage where lean mean rock and roll machine, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.160 you know, just the four of us. So we've got 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:44.560 drums and bass that come along. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.800 Okay, Well, how long has the members been with you 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.320 now and what's the turnover? 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:50.640 Like? 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.000 You know, up until this last year, we had a 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.040 six year stand of the same musicians. So our bass 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.160 player Arka Layman, he's been with us now for about 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:06.919 six years. And the drummer Ben Satterly, that was only 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.960 I guess the show that you came and saw us 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.960 perform in Los Angeles, that was his tenth or eleventh show. 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.160 So he's the newest member to the outfit and he 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.880 is just showing up like a powerhouse. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:24.040 Yeah, he was great. It is great. How did you 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:24.600 find him? 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.120 We held some auditions. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.720 Actually, we decided we wanted to make a change, and 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.680 being in Nashville, you know, there is such a community 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.960 of incredible musicians here in town. So we just sort 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.240 of sent out a call to some friends and friends 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.640 of friends and friends of friends of friends. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.720 And he was actually the first guy. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.400 We had two days set aside to run through with 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.800 a bunch of different musicians and just learned three songs, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.640 and he was number one of day, number one, and 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.680 so he set the bar incredibly high for everybody else. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.920 Okay, we had the carl She'll say that Brandy Carlyle 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.240 is basically herself in the Two Twins. So is this 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.080 a democracy amongst the four or the two of you? 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:11.640 Very definitely the bosses. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.839 I gotta say we are the bosses. Yeah. The two 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.360 of us have a very strong idea of what we 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:20.800 want to do and what we want to say with 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.960 our music and where we want to get to. And 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.600 the way that we have accomplished that is by being 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:32.360 very set in ourselves, like we you know, produce ourselves 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.880 and we run our own record label, and that's worked 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.120 very well. It makes who we are very distilled. 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.520 Granted that that hasn't always been the case. I think, 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:44.760 you know, the fact that we do feel so self 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.040 reliant at this point and feel confidently self reliant is 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.560 the fact that we did go through periods of time 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.600 in our late teens, you know, early twenties where we 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.480 would get in the studio with producers and I think 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.159 being chameleon musicians, having grown up being side guys and 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:05.159 other artists endeavors, we know how to, yeah, we know 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.640 how to like puzzle piece ourselves creatively into situations. So 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.279 it really was a trial and error journey for us 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.680 over the years of learning how to say no to people, 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.680 of removing people from the inner sanctum, and having it 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.280 truly be just the two of us, so that we 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.200 knew that every creative decision that we were making was 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.560 coming from our hearts and from a very true part 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.200 of who we are. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.720 Well, that raises the question, what is it like being 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.080 a woman in rock and roll music, which is very 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:36.520 heavily male dominated. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.360 I don't think that we're alone in our experience of 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:45.680 certainly getting misjudged. I think we over the years would 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.159 oftentimes roll up and be the only female artist on 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.400 a festival bill, and so it was a little bit 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.120 isolating and a little bit exhausting sometimes to have to 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.520 explain yourself to people that you know, no, we're not 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.800 the girl friends where the front men, and it's okay, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.120 we know how to tune our guitars and all of 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.000 that nonsense. But I do think incrementally we've seen shifts 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.799 and it's so wonderful now to roll up and see 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.120 so much incredible female talent finally getting I think, you know, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.120 the just deserves like it's so much more interesting now 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.760 because I think the industry has shifted in allowing more 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:25.800 space for the female perspective. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.919 Okay, but to what degree if you had me too moments? 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.160 You know, we've I think that we've been very fortunate, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.239 and I actually I really love to hear your feedback 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.520 to this as well, But we have been incredibly fortunate 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:49.080 to work with a lot of really respectful and supportive men. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.640 I mean, over the years, getting hired into bands, you know, 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.800 and having a lot of faith creatively placed in us, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.240 and having everything feel very approbate, and so I think 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.720 that we we certainly have had a pretty positive experience 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.600 all told. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:07.720 What do you think that? 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.960 Not that we haven't had moments, but I think that 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.000 we've always been of a mindset of moving forward. So 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.320 even if there have been moments that we could have 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.240 called people out, I think that we've tended to just 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.760 be like, you know what, we are not defined by 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.760 what the people around us think, and so therefore we're 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.800 just gonna just gonna kind of power on and whatever success. 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.760 We find it's kind of defined by by ourselves and 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.840 and yeah, just kind of moving through it. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.520 Yeah, and strengthen numbers too. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.080 I feel really lucky that my sister and I have 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.240 been able to move through this many years. I mean, 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.600 at this at this point, what we just talied up. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.360 This is our eighteenth year of touring, and I haven't 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:53.520 never gone anywhere without you. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.600 Like, we're definitely a package deal. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.280 So I think to be able to have someone who 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.360 explicitly and implicitly has as you're back at every turn 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.679 that has that has really kept us in a great position. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:05.760 So we're fortunate. 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:10.000 And what about fans. Have you had any rabid fans 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:11.560 who crossed the line? 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.640 Oh, definitely, and that I think again, as Megan said, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.280 you know, you got to be willing to move forward 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.120 because one thing that we refuse to have happen is 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.040 to have our sense of faith and humanity removed. Because yeah, 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.520 you can have run ins with bad eggs, certainly, and 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.840 we've had stalkers, We've had people invade our privacy at 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.640 our homes. We had to get security systems, we have 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.760 to put up gates, and that can be demoralizing. But 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.800 also you know, it's funny. I find it a similar, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.840 you know, comparison. When I'm on stage and singing, I 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.800 can get really caught up in the moment and mess up, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:50.600 you know, like four or five words in a verse, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.640 and I beat myself up about it, where I'm just like, oh, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.440 I can't believe I forgot literally the first freakin' verse 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.080 of my own song that I wrote, like. 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.400 What is what is wrong with Me? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.200 And one evening, Megan we were on the bus and 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.760 she came to me and she's like, you know, but 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.000 you're never keeping track of how many words. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.240 You get right. Every night. 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.320 You get literally like ninety eight percent of the show 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.760 correct with your lyrics, So why are you focusing Why 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.600 are you dwelling on that small percentage that didn't fire correctly? 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.240 And I think that for us, we've chosen to dwell 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.880 on the fans that we do have, that are so 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.240 wholesome and so pure and so supportive, and that I 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.720 think again has served us as well. You know, we're 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.120 eighteen years in and still a little like, I don't 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:33.920 think we're quite jaded. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:34.640 So that's great. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.560 Okay, let's go back to the beginning. You grow up 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:44.280 in Georgia, in Calhoun or a smaller birg where in Georgia. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.679 We grew up in Calhoun, Georgia, and we grew up 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:52.520 out in the sticks on seventy acres of land. Our 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.240 parents real do it yourselfers. They built their own house 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.560 out in the country. So we had a pretty idyllic 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:02.440 childhood and that we were. We were definitely tomboys and 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.200 had a lot of space and time to follow our passions, 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:11.120 which was music from the ground up. Like we you know, 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:17.280 we were classically trained violinists and pianists, but in our 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:21.120 early teens that's when we really discovered the joy of music, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:24.280 and that kind of came in the form of bluegrass 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.040 music and folk music and roots music. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:31.840 Okay, yeah, okay, let's not Let's slow down a little bit. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.280 So were your parents hippies? Why did they live on 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.520 seventy acres of land or what kind of background did 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:39.160 they come from? 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.080 There? They are very unique. Our parents are actually both 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:44.400 in the. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:49.800 Medical field, but they were very counterculture, very hippy ast hip. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.760 Oh actually, I don't think this is a word, but 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:53.280 I'm excited to say it if I can get it 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:53.720 out right. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.120 Hippy ish stick, hippie ish tick. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.600 I don't think you'd have the I think just hippiistic 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:02.600 would be good enough. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.079 The hippiistic dig it. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.120 So they actually, yeah, they lived on seventy acres. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.000 They even before YouTube. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.240 They would go to the library and like borrow friggin 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.040 books on how to build a home. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.680 And they homeschooled us as well. 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.840 So they had some really out there ideas for the 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.240 early nineties, that's for sure. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:23.839 And how did they meet. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:32.120 They met on the campus of their college in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.920 And were they from Georgia? Were they from Tennessee? Where 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:36.720 were their roots? 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.480 Yeah, our mothers from East Tennessee. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.400 So she's right kind of at the in the foothills 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.000 of the Smoky Mountains, the stomping grounds of Dolly Parton. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.240 And her name, honest to God, is Teresa Joe Lean, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.040 which is like the most classic Southern bell name. Love 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.480 it East Tennessee girl. And our dad is originally from Atlanta. 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:58.959 And so they were both sent to school by their 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:07.920 families on a conservative college campus just outside Chattanooga. And yeah, 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.280 they they hit it off and and and we're lucky 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:10.720 that they did. 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.200 When you say conservative college, is that something you grew 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.880 up with? Some sort of conservative background. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.480 They both came from a conservative background, but they did 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.800 not raise us that way. I think at the time 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.480 they were kind of coming to terms with the idea 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.840 of religion and where they're where they would sit in 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.880 their own faith, and so they gave us the option 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.880 to go to church, to be involved if we wanted to, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.360 But it was never something that that that we were 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.600 forced into and it was never really a part of 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.280 our childhood. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.319 Okay, how many kids in the family. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.440 Three of us girls at the outset, and then like 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.200 eleven twelve years behind was our little brother. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:03.559 So what's up with your little brother? 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.160 That is a very good question, Bob, That is a 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.040 very good question. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.520 I think that he's finding his way. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.679 And as you can imagine, you know, having such a 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.240 young sibling with three elder sisters, because it's Megan and 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.360 myself and our eldest sister, Jessica, So he had three 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.800 little mothers in addition to his mother that are always 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:29.920 in orbit around this young man. And we're definitely we're 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.520 trying to coach ourselves on how to be gloves off, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.120 you know, let him figure out his own way. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.520 We can't solve his problems for him. As much as 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.360 we wish that we could. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:40.920 Okay, do you take him on the road. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:47.880 You know, it's funny. He actually toured with us way back. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.960 When when he was a baby. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.360 Yeah, like strapped into the car seat and we'd be 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.439 out in the fifteen passenger van, which is the vehicle 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.880 that we learned to drive in. We as a band, 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.160 we bought a fIF We put some money away and 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.400 we bought a fifteen passenger van and he would go 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.680 into the car seat. And I think he was about 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.920 four years old, and he came to the family and 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.439 he informed our mother that he was in fact allergic 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.680 to Level Sisters tours and he couldn't participate anymore. 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.400 So he's a real homebody. I think we kind of 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:22.480 burn him out as a baby. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:23.480 I feel bad about that. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.560 Okay, you say your parents are in the medical field, 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.800 a little bit more specifically, what do they do? 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.840 So our father was a pathologist and our mother was 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.520 a physical therapist. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:43.000 And so your father was an MD. Okay, so you're 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:46.520 growing up on seventy acres, how far from civilization. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.960 We could drive about fifteen minutes and get to a Walmart, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.720 so not too Yeah. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.120 But you didn't drive when you were a little kid, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.880 So how far are your neighbor's house to the et cetera. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.600 Yeah, it was a mile down the driveway to get 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.320 to the double wide across the street. And we didn't 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.720 have any neighbors really, not especially not any neighbors with kids. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:12.640 So that's I think. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.160 Also an interesting dynamic is the fact that not only 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.880 are we sisters and creative. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.880 Collaborators, but we really are each other's best friends. Like 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:22.280 since the. 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.240 Jump, Okay, so you're growing up, I mean, are you 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.120 having friends over or is it just the three of you? 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:36.680 Interestingly enough, I think it's I think it's safe to 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:42.680 say it was fairly isolated, and whenever we started to 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:44.840 to get heavier into the music, I think that that 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.320 was always the big basis for our relationships. So we 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.680 would go out and have homeschool harmony groups that we 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.400 took part in and had some really incredible experiences in 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.640 learning to stay harmonies through that. And and then, of course, 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:05.000 as Megan mentioned earlier, our classical training allowed us, you know, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.160 the opportunity to which bless our mom for driving us 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.400 like to ten buck to and back multiple times a 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:15.720 week to take part in orchestra and symphony. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.920 The performances. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.600 Okay, so you were homeschooled. Now you're old enough to 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.920 look back. Thumbs up or thumbs down on homeschooling. 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.880 In our case, thumbs up because we had a very 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.600 special situation I think where we were in a rural 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:42.560 county where there weren't many options for good schools, and 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.640 so our parents just they just wanted us to have 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:46.920 the opportunity to be able to move at our own pace, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.960 and we were able to move through our school school 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.880 work fairly, click quickly, and that allowed us to be 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.200 able to do something like music, and then allowed us 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.000 the space to be able to tour and take our 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.720 schooling on the road. So for us it was really 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.960 really great, and we also were able to interact with 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:13.000 a lot of different kinds of people and got socialization 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.639 that way. I think it can be very isolating in 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:17.919 certain circumstances homeschooling. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.520 Okay, your parents are highly educated. What they say about 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:24.600 the three of you in. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:29.159 College, I think they never would have anticipated. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.280 I think, especially from our dad's perspective, since he was 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:38.720 one of the first in his family to ever go 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.480 to college and to have higher education. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:43.480 The fact that we took a little bit. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.480 Of a regressionary move backwards and not going to college. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:47.520 I think that was disappointing. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.439 But also I think he sees our passion for what 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.920 we do, and he's incredibly proud, so both of our parents, 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:56.840 I think, even though it took them a while to 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.480 fully get on board. I mean, I think the biggest 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.080 mantra that we heard in our childhood and teens whenever 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.840 we were like starting to tour more aggressively, was don't 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.280 put all your eggs in one basket. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.320 This is not your job. This is your hobby. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.960 This is your hobby, like underlined, italicized and boldened. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:17.359 This is your hobby. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.360 But then I think, you know, with time, they saw 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.159 the flexibility, they saw our dedication and the fact that 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.399 you know, we've been crafty, we've been what is it 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.840 gentle as doves, but you know, wise as boxes when 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.720 it relates to our business and to being able to 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.480 build a situation that is fulfilling to us, to really 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:38.840 have our passion be our work. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.159 Okay, so you talk about this classical training, what was 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:42.919 it exactly? 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:44.840 Suzuki method? 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.400 Okay for violin, give me a little bit more. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.560 Yeah, we went to lessons once a week. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:56.919 Well, I guess technically twice a week, once to piano 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:58.800 and one once to violin every week. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.120 And we didn't love it. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.440 I mean I remember, yeah, Mom having to like chase 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.560 us around the piano to get assist at that in practice, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:09.560 So we certainly didn't didn't love it. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.720 So we started ages three and four years old, and 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.199 you know, we took took lessons for many years, and 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.800 then once we were proficient enough, we were able to 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:28.240 take part in symphonies, which you know, some some colleges 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.479 will allow younger folks to come in and join and 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.200 as long as you can pass an audition process, and 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.679 we did so we were a part of part of 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.440 their like junior symphonies. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:40.960 M hm, at what age. 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:44.120 That was probably age. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.040 Ten, yeah, ten, eleven, twelve, Yeah, they'reabouts. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.320 And how much performance was there with a junior symphony? 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.120 You know, there was actually quite a bit. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.560 I mean it kept us really busy, you know, in 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:04.600 terms of lessons in orchestra and performances, probably what two 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.680 to three days, three days a week on average. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.959 Okay, you're both very proficient with the guitar. When did 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:13.119 you start playing the guitar? 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.560 That would have been right about fourteen fifteen years old. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.639 So of course, like you know, we really we defined 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.280 ourselves as musicians because of our love of our involvement 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.720 in the whole classical scene. But it wasn't really like 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.680 a joy I remember getting like like throw up sick 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.240 for recitals and stuff like that. 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:37.879 It just yeah, it was. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.880 It was definitely something that like we were doing because 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.199 our parents told us to. But then we went to 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.800 a bluegrass festival with some family friends when we were 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.760 right there at the cuss fourteen fifteen years old, and 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.000 we were mind blown. We thought it was so interesting 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.120 that there were people up on stage that were jamming, 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:58.800 that they didn't have sheet music on stage, and the 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.200 authenticity and the and the spontaneity and like the cross 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.520 section of singing and playing it just I think, really 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.520 yeah really captured our imagination. And so that's when we 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.480 started to make a transition into picking up other instruments. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:16.720 Megan went to the doughbro when you were about fifteen, 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.800 and I picked up thirteen probably, but yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.160 we you know, our parents were also always playing all 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:29.320 different kinds of music growing up, like classic rock records, 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.760 you know, along with the classical you know, Bach and 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.200 Beethoven and folk music, and you know a lot of 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.080 like roots music, Alison Kraus and Union Stations. So we 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:43.399 were growing up with the sounds of Southern music in 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.440 our heads and being able to play some of those 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.119 sounds with the actual instruments that were creating that. Like 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.280 hearing us slide guitar and then actually seeing us like 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.480 guitar being played was just incredible, and I kind of 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.560 knew immediately I really really wanted to pick up pick 0:21:58.640 --> 0:21:59.200 up the doughbro. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.639 Okay, so you pick up guitar and doughbro. How long 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.560 after that does it become an act? We were performing live. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:17.760 Really pretty quick. 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.360 Yeah, yeah, within a matter of months. 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.959 There's actually some really crappy vhs of our first performance 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:31.240 ever as the Level sisters and so Jessica, our eldest sister, 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.680 was still on violin. Megan, you were playing the doughbro 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.960 and I was playing mandolin and banjo, and we had 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:41.439 to sheet music on stage because we still were like 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.360 struggling to make that leap. And really, I think that 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:50.400 that leap from the classical methodology of reading everything off 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:56.159 the page and then transitioning into a completely different perspective 0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:01.080 of playing by ear of improvising. That has taken us 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:07.080 so many years to really like move territories. But yeah, 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.359 the very first gig we ever played, we were like 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.520 reading it off the page, bless our little Hearts. But 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.640 we were bound and determined we wanted to do it, 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:21.120 and surprisingly, I think, given how fresh we were, it was, 0:23:21.640 --> 0:23:27.200 it's surprisingly entertaining, like we were actually executing pretty well. 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:29.159 So I look back and I'm like, oh, bless our 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:30.840 sweet little baby hearts, we were doing it. 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:33.000 Two thousand and five was the first year we toured. 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:39.800 Okay, so you go on the road, how does that 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.000 even come together? You decide you want to play live 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:45.040 and it's a thing. I mean, that's not what your 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.520 parents did. Where did the drive come from? And how 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:48.760 did you put the steps together? 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:55.119 So probably the same family friends that took us to 0:23:55.160 --> 0:24:01.200 morrole fests suggested that we submit a demo to Garrison 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.240 Keeler's A Prairie Home Companion teen talent competition that he 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.440 had going on air, and so we did. We kind 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.840 of put together some some music and sent it in 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:17.800 and we were selected as one of the competitors for 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.439 the show. And because we played on that show and 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:25.360 this was one of our first gigs ever and there 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:29.080 were four million people listening. Suddenly we were just inundated 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:33.960 with touring opportunities right off the bat, and so that's 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.359 how we were able to basically tour full time just 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:41.639 from the jump from our first year, which is looking 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.560 back knowing what we know now, very unusual. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.119 And how did you get an agent? Did you your parents? 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.439 The managers? What was your organization? Like? 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.920 You know, we had we had folks approach us, and 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.879 we were so green, we didn't we didn't we didn't 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:04.080 know anything about anything. So we actually, you know, after 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:09.520 our performance on the Talent Competition and winning, we actually 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:14.480 had some agents approach us and present us with you know, 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:19.000 a really beautiful, cushy performing arts center tour. And so 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.240 we would, you know, we'd get in the family suburban 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:26.359 and you know, we take our instruments and we'd roll 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:28.680 up and there'd be flowers in the dressing room and 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.879 you know, snacks and it's soft ticketed events, and we 0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.040 get on stage and do our thing and carry on, 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.480 not having any idea that it was like really atypical. 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:42.240 We just sort of were rolling with it, and a 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:43.680 lot less our parents. 0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.960 I know, they were they were very supportive in those 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.399 early days, and a lot of this we have to 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.600 lay at the feet of our older sister, who is 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:57.120 very driven in and smart, and she at the time 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:02.400 would have been eighteen or nineteen and just very precocious 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.800 and able to guide us through making the decision on 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:10.240 some of these things like getting a manager, getting a 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.720 booking agent, and putting tours together, and she would do 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.040 the accounting for it. So she really was the one 0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:19.520 who was acting as our manager in the beginning, and 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.399 our parents were supporting and they came along when we 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:25.760 were when we were too young to be touring alone. 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:28.720 At what point did your parents stop coming? 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:35.320 Probably what after the first year or two? Yeah, that's 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:35.920 fair to say. 0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:39.439 I think, yeah, you know, Anna's blurry on it, on 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:39.840 it all. 0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:44.080 Yeah, it's a little challenging to remember. But certainly by 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.439 the time that we were doing Larkin Post stuff and 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.760 we started Larkin Poe in twenty ten, they had completely 0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:50.400 phased out. 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.000 Yeah, because because little brother was allergic to it. 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.720 Okay, So for those who don't know, and you're so young, 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.160 how old were you when you started Larkin poem? 0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:05.480 Oh god, what would that make us? Let's see thirteen 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:11.080 years ago. We're right about eighteen nineteen twenty thereabouts. 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.359 Okay, teenagers rebell. So what was it like being on 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.200 the road without your parents? 0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:22.040 We were very I mean you may not be able 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:27.480 to tell in speaking to us, but uh, we're pretty like, 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.760 I don't know, workman like. I think that we've always 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:39.320 had a passion for getting on stage and delivering good shows. 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:43.640 So like, we never have had any shows where we 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:48.239 have been compromised or like drunk or anything like that 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.120 because the music has always been at the center. Oh 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.920 so I think especially for me as well, like being 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.640 a vocalist and losing my voice somewhat easily. 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:57.920 I've never been a partier. 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:03.479 Okay, only one hour on stage and they're certain about it. Travel. 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:05.120 What are you doing with all the other hours? 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:10.320 We're sight seeing, we're reading, we're doing yoga in the 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.000 dressing room. Like Megan's doing her crosswords, just memo and 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:15.160 mema out on the road. 0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.879 Eh, her prop work? What is that? 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.080 Oh? Crosswords? I love the New York Times crossword puzzle. 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:25.840 Oh the crossword? So how good are you? Can you 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.880 complete the Saturday Crossword? No problem? 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.159 You know I can complete the Saturday with effort. But 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.720 I can certainly get through Thursday, no problem. 0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:39.600 And then what about wordle? Are you addicted to that too? 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:40.680 Oh? I love it? 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.280 Megan's a freaking wordle. 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.000 I really love wordle too. Yeah. 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:45.840 Which, actually, let me ask you a question, did you 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:47.720 this is going to air, so we're not going to 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.200 spoil anyone's day later? 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:53.479 Did you do today's crossword or wordle? Excuse me? 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:56.480 I haven't at least the word Oh, I'd have to look. 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:01.160 I believe it was pinky. Pinky, which is actually the name. 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.239 I know what this is not. This is not you 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:06.640 know a lot of people refer to their instruments as 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.520 the color of their instrument with a y on the end. 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.880 But my husband actually has a signature custom shop with 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.240 Fender that is called Pinky, and someone sent him a 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.400 screenshot of today's wordle and it was pinky. 0:29:18.000 --> 0:29:19.920 Anyway, Sorry, quick aside. 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.520 Okay, but the dynamic, you know, I have a sister, 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:27.160 I'm the middle between two sisters, and one of my 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:34.040 sisters is very into birth order. So Rebecca, you're the baby. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.520 Jessica was the oldest meggat's in between. How did it 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:39.360 all play out? 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.960 Huh? 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:47.160 I think. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.600 Those dynamics, those sibling dynamics came into a play a 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:57.800 lot more when we were the level sisters because it 0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:01.240 was the trio of sisters and that was that could 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:05.560 be fraught at times and the birth order thing it 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.040 played out for us for sure. 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:08.680 Yeah, she's being really polite. 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.000 We used to have some knockdown drag outs when it 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:12.600 was the three of us because there definitely was a 0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:15.600 lot of ganging up and that wasn't healthy, And that 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.040 is ultimately why we decided to part ways, because we 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.840 do I think, above all else, we cherish our relationships 0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:25.560 as sisters, and we were destroying our relationships between the 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.880 three of us. So ultimately, the fact that Jessica decided 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:34.120 to step back was incredibly courageous on her part. One. 0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.280 I think that she knew that her heart wasn't in it, 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.160 and that's fair. She was like, you know, it's a lifestyle. 0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.880 I don't like being gone all the time. It's just 0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.640 not my bag. I'm stepping I'm stepping back, and that 0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.280 ultimately allowed us to all to this day, like we're 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.440 very very close, we're very close friends. We talk every day. 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:56.000 But I think it was always clear that Rebecca and 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.680 I were going to do something together because from the 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.080 ground up it's always been and the two of us 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:07.240 always projecting together and running off in the woods together, 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:09.960 and there would just never be a moment we weren't together. 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.160 So I think that that was it was just very 0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.520 clear who the package deal was. 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:20.800 Okay, Jessica says, she's out. What do you feel? How 0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:21.680 do you take that? 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:23.920 You know? 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.080 I chalk it up a lot to the fact that 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:31.080 we were so so preciously young and ignorant, and we 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:36.400 took maybe maybe like twenty days, and really we searched 0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.480 our souls and we dug deep, and we asked the 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:43.040 real questions, and we decided that we were going to 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:44.400 soldier on man. 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:45.800 We were going to start again. 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:52.000 But it was like losing the third leg of a chair, 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.400 and you know, are we going to fall over? I mean, 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.360 like I mentioned before, she was handling a lot at 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.400 the business side of our venture, and so it was 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:06.400 very scary for us to as teenagers suddenly this whole 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:08.960 business was kind of dropped in our laps, and we 0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.960 didn't quite know what to do with it at first, 0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.440 but we did. We've really loved to play music together, 0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.760 and so it seemed it seemed right to us to 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.520 continue on. But at that point in time, we were 0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.480 kind of walking into Lark and Poe with our eyes open, 0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:25.880 knowing what we were getting into. 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:27.920 Sort of bless us. 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:32.479 Okay, but Lark and Pull was a change in musical style. 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:33.640 How did that come about? 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.400 Well, again, I think, like Megan says, you know, there 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.720 was a lot of fear I think at the outset, 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.840 because we were feeling like, okay, we're either going to 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.400 think or we're going to swim. But instinctually, we've always, 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.320 I think had a really strong sense of gut, whether 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.040 or not we've paid attention to it. But early on 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.720 we instinctually knew that we wanted to have a big 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.880 creative turnover. So in our first year of being a band, 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:04.920 we actually ended up deciding and committing and executing a 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.719 plan of releasing four EPs of original material. So we 0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:13.080 wanted to do spring, Summer, Fall, and winter, and we 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:16.440 found an engineer. We set up in our parents' basement 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.600 and we wrote and recorded in and amongst a bunch 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.880 of tour dates that were still outstanding from the level sisters, 0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.680 you know, roster of work that we still had to 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:27.880 complete on. 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:30.040 We had. 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:32.600 We just made so much music and that really gave 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.480 us the opportunity to experiment and to try to channel 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.120 some of the sounds that we had grew up listening to, 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.920 like we we love the Allman Brothers, we love the blues, 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:45.280 we love you know, the source music of America. But 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.760 we didn't know how to how to make it happen 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:55.200 because we were so you know, intertwined with the acoustic 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.880 elements we had. We had previously as the Level Sister 0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.760 toured with no drums, no electrified in struments. We were 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.480 an all American string band, and we were very bluegrass. 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.680 So I think it it really took us a few 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.759 years of really challenging ourselves and really making also a 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.480 lot of crappy music in order to learn how to 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:17.920 change our approach to songwriting, how to change our approach 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.880 to melody, how to honestly go from playing acoustic instruments 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.640 to plugging in and learning how to play in front 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:22.879 of an. 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.320 Amplifier, begging you were going to say something. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.520 I think that we knew there was more to us 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:33.480 than just the bluegrass side of our hearts, even though 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.719 we loved it, we were hearing so much more in 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:38.960 our heads that we that we wanted to accomplish, and 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.200 I think that we wanted to be able to move people. 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.040 We wanted to be louder and fill more space. 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.840 Okay, when you were the Level Sisters, were you making 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.040 any money? 0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.279 Mm hmm. We did. We did a lot as the 0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.240 as the Level Sisters. We played on the Grand Ole Lobbry, 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.160 we played at Bonaru, we did a lot of touring 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.239 and yeah, in theaters and. 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:06.680 With solid guarantees, which and that I think is the 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:12.160 defining factor for where we currently sit is by you know, 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:16.000 the fortuitous nature of our introduction into the music scene. 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.000 We honestly were able to sock aside some money in 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:20.920 order to start playing with. 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:21.840 The idea of. 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:30.320 Independently financing our recording process. And it's so funny because 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:34.160 I think at the time we didn't understand the ramification. 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:36.680 You know, as the Level Sisters. 0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:39.760 We were approached by a bunch of major record labels 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.920 who were very excited, you know, that we were going 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:44.719 to be the next chicks. We were going to be 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.759 the next Sha Daisy, and that never sat well with 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:50.640 the three of us girls. You know, we spent a 0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:53.560 lot of time in Nashville, probably like two and a 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.560 half years into the Level Sisters just toying with the 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.440 idea of going more the mainstream route. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.000 And we did sign to to Lyric Street Records in 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.319 the beginning and got a little bit down the road 0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.640 with them towards writing for a record, and very clear 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:17.000 they didn't want to They wanted to have songwriters write 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.600 for us instead of us writing our own music, and 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.759 that didn't sit well with us, and so they very 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.680 graciously let us out of the deal. They were like, 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.000 we understand this is you know, you guys are understanding 0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.080 now that that this is maybe not the path you're 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:30.719 wanting to go down, and so they let us. They 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:31.200 let us go. 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:37.160 Mm hmm, okay. So you're touring as the Level Sisters, 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.560 You're doing a lot of dates. What are you doing 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:40.439 with the money you make? 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:42.960 We're putting it away. 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:46.239 And also we're again I just have to tip my 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:49.880 hat to our big siss because she's she's such a 0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:57.680 visionary individual and she was, you know, she was figuring 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.640 out how to rent venues, sort of the whole Joe 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.080 Bonamasa model of like sort of being your own promoter. 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.840 And so there were times when we go to cities 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.399 that we knew, like Charleston, for instance, where we had 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:13.800 a strong brand, I'm using air quotes for the listeners, 0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.320 and she would, you know, say, hey, let's go ahead 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.320 and like pay for concessions and pay for the promo, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:21.960 and let's rent this venue out and we know we 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.400 can sell x amount of tickets. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.840 Let's just try it. Let's see what happens. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:29.840 So we were using our money to further you know, 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:33.160 in ways that felt authentic to us, like what we 0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.600 believed in really trying to bet on ourselves and putting 0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:39.480 the money into buying more merch and like you know, 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.040 drawing out our own T shirt designs and putting it 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.040 on a T shirt like hey, you know, we see 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.280 a lot of children at the shows, Let's get children's 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.239 merch rock And we had baby onesies like you know, 0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:53.640 just just having fun with with sort of embodying the 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:55.799 whole small business mentality. 0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.000 Okay, when it becomes Lark and Poe, do you throw 0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.160 all that aside? And is it more traditional? 0:38:04.680 --> 0:38:07.880 No? We we we continued with the model. And and 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.000 also I think that that's one. 0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:15.080 Thing that I can find, you know, very refreshing about 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.360 our experience is that once you get a taste for 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.040 freedom as an artist, Once you're able to honestly do 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:25.080 whatever you want to do and and be able to 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:29.279 seek and feel connection to people, it's really hard to 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.400 give that up. So even though you know, we're not 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:37.080 the biggest band in the world, we are free to 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.959 do what we want to do. We have a very 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:42.520 small and loyal contingency of fans that will support us, 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.479 and from the beginning, that's that's what's motivated us. That's 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.799 what we've stuck to and and and it's been it's 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:52.600 been so much more interesting that way. So, yeah, like 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.719 the first year of being Lark and Poe, we we 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:58.200 had some money set aside to do those sporyps and 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:02.720 then you know that that led to two more touring, 0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.000 that led to different touring for us, that led to 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.719 more projects that we were working on, and then we 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:11.440 definitely hit a dry season where I think because we 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:16.600 were so young and inexperienced, and you know, people were 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:19.600 expecting the level Sisters, people were expecting us to be 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.520 a bluegrass group and then we would show up as 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:26.319 Lark and Poe and be delivering something different that I 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.920 think we had like a mismatched of expectation where we 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.480 were really trying to change the story, but people weren't 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:36.480 catching the shift with us, so that so we kind 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.240 of hit a point in time, I think probably about 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.680 four or five years into you know, the band that 0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.600 we were, we really weren't sure what to do. And 0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:49.040 then a different angle of business sort of presented itself 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.560 to us, which is to be side guys, and we 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.600 had some some really big believers offer us some incredible 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:58.640 gigs as side guys, which actually saved our bank in 0:39:58.760 --> 0:39:59.319 big time. 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.400 Okay, you know, this is a very interesting question. Even 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.320 at this late date where your direction is more defined, 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:12.080 one could be a prisoner of one's fans and as 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.120 you're changing, people don't like change. How did you cope 0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:15.360 with that? 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.160 I think that we are very lucky in our fan 0:40:22.239 --> 0:40:25.919 base now because we have forced them to change with us, 0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:29.280 and the people who didn't like what we were changing 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:32.239 into fell by the wayside, And what we're left with 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:36.080 are people who are saying, we believe in you and 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.279 what you want to put forward, and as long as 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:42.560 you are authentic, I'm along for the ride. So I 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.600 think that we just power powered on through no matter 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:49.480 what people thought. And so now we have a we 0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:51.680 have a lot of people who are like, do whatever 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.000 if you want to make a emo record where we're 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:54.440 on board. 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.200 Okay, let's talk about learning and playing the instruments. So 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:10.240 you go to Merlefest, Megan, and you want to play doughbro? 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.000 Is that there's no other choice? You go right to 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:14.520 the dough bro And how do you learn? 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:20.600 So I, at the same time as picking up doughbro, 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.840 I tried to play guitar and mandolin and banjo. And 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.120 me and Fretz we don't really we don't really go together. 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.040 And I was very lucky to have found a doughbro 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:36.000 player in Chattanooga, because really they are very far few 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.520 and far between, and especially teachers of the doughbro. And 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:43.479 there was a dobro player, Lou Womp in Chattanooga, who's 0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:46.120 a fantastic player, and he kind of got me started 0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.560 down the road. I didn't I didn't take lessons from 0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.399 him for very long, but it got me started down 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.560 the path. And then from from there, I mean, I 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.400 listened to everything that Jerry Douglas ever played. It was 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.720 a huge Jearry Douglas fan, and I just learned every 0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.920 solo that he ever played. 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.600 Okay, you know, it looks like an impossible instrument from 0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.520 one who doesn't play it. You know, how hard is 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.760 it to play the dobro to learn, et cetera. 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.239 I would say it's one of those instrument where you 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.920 can kind of sit down in front of it and 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.440 you can you can make sounds, but very difficult to 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:37.000 master the instrument, very very awkward to get past that 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.920 original hump of learning. 0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:44.520 And this is Rebecca cutting in as a failed dobro player. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.960 I can attest it is she is under selling it. 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.160 It is so awful. The dobro is like I mean, 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.120 I don't say that I want more people to pick 0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.000 it up, No, but there is a difference. Like I 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.560 can play, you know, I play guitar, and so playing 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:04.360 slide even on like a traditionally held guitar, it's uncomfortable, 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:09.399 but there is like a sense of familiarity when you're 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.560 even when you're just messing around. Anybody can like tune 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.440 their guitar to an open g or D and like 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:17.120 slide around and you can kind of make some cool sounds. Mechanically, 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.480 the dobro being in the lap and you're holding this 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.400 heavy hunk of steel, there isn't a place to like 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.799 slide your finger into the slide, like because you still 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:31.000 play using a doughbro slide, which is a very different situation, 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.520 and it's and you play with banjo picks, so you're 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.040 not even like really touching the instrument. 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:40.719 It's all through. It's awful. I'm to be honest with you. 0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:45.000 I watch her every night on stage, and I'm sort 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.279 of baffled by the fact that you make it look 0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:50.919 so easy and that you really persevered and for whatever reason, 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:54.600 it was in your genetic makeup to like get into 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:55.640 it and stick with it. 0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:58.840 But it's so awkward, so terrible. 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.920 So when did you and how did you decide to 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.200 play standing up as opposed to sitting down. 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.840 Well, I watched Jerry Douglas stand and play with the doughbro, 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.920 and so I did learn standing up for the dough bro. 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:17.319 But what was instrument interesting transferring from the doughbro to 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.359 the lap steel, which I guess you could really say 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.080 the lap steel is the electrified version of the dobro, 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:27.200 and I when we became Lark and Poe and plugged in, 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.440 I really wanted to be electrified and I wanted to 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.640 be just as loud as Rebecca on the electric guitar. 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.840 So the lap steel was just an obvious choice for me. 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.840 And the problem with the lap steel is, as you 0:44:38.880 --> 0:44:41.640 can tell by its name, it really traditionally is just 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:45.479 played in the lap like no nobody. I didn't see 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:49.759 anybody standing and playing it. So I went to a 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:52.479 family friend who owned a steel company at the time, 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:58.120 and he helped me fabricate a part that would slide 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:00.480 onto my lap steel so that I could stand and play. 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:02.640 And it was in the shape of a doughbro so 0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:05.560 it felt comfortable to me to be able to stand 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.719 and play and I could could run around because I 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.360 just couldn't imagine sitting on stage like I had to 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:11.799 get up. 0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.200 So how hard is it? I mean, because not only 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.640 is it around your neck, it has to balance at 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:19.520 a certain angle. 0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.600 I think it's taken many years for me to get 0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:29.279 to the place where I am, but I think that 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.560 especially now that I that I have the rig where 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:38.120 I'm comfortable standing, I think that more people could stand 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:42.319 and play it because there's now equipment to be able 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.759 to stand and play. It's just simply because the equipment 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:48.640 wasn't around at the time for me to be able 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:49.560 to stand and play. 0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:51.759 But that's like a little bit ridiculous for you to say, 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.000 because the equipment's not around. The equipment is now here. 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.239 Also because like you literally built I don't know if 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:01.600 you know this, Bob, but she has her own signature 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:05.240 guitar that she has funded herself, that she creatively figured 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:06.080 out how. 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:07.040 To make it. 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.319 She worked with an incredible luth or, Paul Beard, to 0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:14.000 bring it into the world and to work with Jason 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.200 with Jason is it Jason Lawler with Lawler Pickups to 0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:21.520 like bring to Now they're actually making lap stials that 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.239 are more akin to the Rickenbacker, but in a new 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.280 shape that is that is engineered for standing. 0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.360 Well, that's what I mean. At the time, there wasn't 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.280 any equipment for me to be able to stand in place, 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.840 so it wasn't a comfortable thing to do at first. 0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.439 But now there's a lot more talk about it, and 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:43.719 there's instruments now available, my mind being the one that's available, 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:45.960 but it's now available for people to be able to 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:46.840 do it more comfortably. 0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:47.919 Necessity is the level. 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.239 Okay, is this a business or a hobby your. 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.320 Yeah, it's it's out there. It's an electro liege is 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:01.279 the name of the instrument. It's available for people to purchase. Yeah, 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.040 I'm very very proud. Me and Paul Beard, who's an 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.600 incredible luthier. We put a lot of time and energy 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:12.720 into designing a really incredible lap steal that's meant for touring. 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.200 And how many can you sell it a year? 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:18.840 I have, It hasn't been out a year yet, so 0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:20.600 I will. I'll have to let you know when a 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.320 year comes. It's it's been around since November. 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:28.480 Okay. And do you buy it online? Do you buy 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.879 the retail stories, you buy the guitar center? You buy 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:31.560 it everywhere? 0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:37.400 Right now, it's just available on our website electroligh dot com. 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.600 And I mean, I hope at some point we could 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.799 partner with like a guitar center to get it out 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.399 there and more available to people to pick up. 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.600 Let's say I buy it since it's online and I 0:47:49.640 --> 0:47:51.040 don't like it, can I return it? 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:57.000 I've never had anyone ask, so yeah, I'd probably take 0:47:57.040 --> 0:47:58.719 it back if you didn't like it. I want, I 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.040 want people to be happy with what they've what they've bought, 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:05.279 but I have not had any dissatisfied customers as of yet. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:09.600 Okay, now, Rebecca, you know, tell us a little bit 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.360 more what your first guitar is and how much practice 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.799 you had to put in to become proficient. 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:21.279 Yeah, so transitioning from the violin, I actually picked up 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:24.360 the mandolin first, which was a little bit of like 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:27.120 a cheapskate because the mandolin is tuned the same as 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:29.920 the violin, so very quickly I was able to get 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:34.440 proficient on the mandolin and selfless plug. I guess it 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.560 was like what twenty fifteen or something. We went to 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.479 meal Fest and I was the first and only girl 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.680 at that point in time to have won the mandolin competition, 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:45.640 which was like an international thing. 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:51.080 Because it was judged blind. So that was really a 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.279 really cool moment for that competition. 0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:57.719 Yeah, to finally have a girl get up there, which 0:48:57.840 --> 0:48:59.759 now it's like, man, there's so many women out there 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.960 who kick my ass. But so I think playing the 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:08.960 mandolin got me more comfortable with playing a pick, but 0:49:09.400 --> 0:49:13.239 it still cemented me in the mentality of like being 0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:16.640 tuned in fifths since it's just like a violin. So 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:20.040 I always played acoustic guitar, but I was very limited 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.800 to you know, just GC and D like bluegrass rhythm guitar, 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:27.200 and I never really had aspirations to play lead. 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:30.200 But the deeper that we. 0:49:30.120 --> 0:49:34.720 Got into the level Sisters and especially early Lark and Poe, 0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:38.440 when I was having a call to write songs, I 0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.560 really couldn't effectively write on the mandolin. So I started 0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.400 to lean more under the guitar because I guess I 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.680 knew less about it, and so it was more of 0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:51.000 an impersonal experience where I wasn't focused about like playing 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.520 a hot lick or something on the guitar. It was 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.160 more about letting it facilitate me bringing a song. 0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:57.080 Into the world. 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:01.839 And honestly, at the the guitar just kind of sat 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.799 there as like a songwriting tool for me for five 0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:09.920 or six years, and it wasn't until honestly, probably about 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.600 they five or six years ago, six or seven years 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.239 ago tops, where I really wanted to become a good 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:24.800 guitar player. And that was really challenging because when I think, 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.719 the older that you get, it's like hard to be 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:31.400 bad at things. So especially given that we were already touring, 0:50:32.560 --> 0:50:35.200 you know, at a relatively high level where people like 0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.320 especially internationally, who would buy tickets to come and see 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:43.640 you know, Lark and Poe do their thing, to get 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:49.000 on stage and to be like kind of like muddling 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.840 through an instrument trying to like push for stuff on 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:57.920 stage was really humbling, and I think as a result, 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.960 I was very shy to like really apply myself. I 0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:03.840 would just sort of like leave all the soloing to Megan. 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.719 But honestly, I think five six years ago I buckled down. 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.440 I was like this, it's time, and so I just 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.680 I got a jazz master like Elvis Costello, who's one 0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:19.480 of my biggest heroes, and just started writing riffs and 0:51:19.800 --> 0:51:22.200 really started writing riffs for the band that would push 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.520 me to learn how to play the guitar. So even 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.440 outside of like going back and like learning Stevie ray 0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:30.480 Vaughn or you know, learning slash solos, I was just 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:33.800 writing my own riffs to find my voice on the guitar, 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.960 and that really facilitated me building competence to be able 0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:39.760 to start stepping out as a player. 0:51:41.560 --> 0:51:42.560 And it's been really gratifying. 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:44.920 It's it's been a slow burn, but a very gratifying 0:51:44.920 --> 0:51:46.200 burn for me as a guitarist. 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:48.399 So you're totally self taught. 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.160 On the guitar, yes, I mean, I mean I'm a 0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.759 YouTube baby as well, though, So I do feel like 0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.640 you know the amount of content that is available for free, 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:02.520 that so many incredible music since release. Yeah, like sitting 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:05.440 and watching so much on YouTube has been super helpful 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:05.640 for me. 0:52:06.400 --> 0:52:07.799 And how many guitars do you own? 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:12.439 I own in my touring rotation, I tour with about 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:16.799 three or four, but all told, I have maybe six 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.520 or seven lectric guitars. But I live in a house 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.320 where because my husband is also a guitarist and he 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:27.160 is a materialist in every sense of the word. There 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.080 we are now at about ninety seven guitars in this house. 0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.239 Okay, since you keep bringing him up, tell us who 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.439 your husband is and how you met him. 0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:40.080 His name's Tyler Bryant and he is a Texas musician. 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:42.640 He has a band called The Shakedown and we were 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.440 introduced through a producer in town. Yeah, it's hard not 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:47.520 to bring him up because I do feel like a 0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:52.360 lot of my interest in becoming a good guitar player 0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.120 is also bright proximity because he's such an effortless player 0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.640 and to be around like everybody in the family, and 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.360 to be the only player that's not like up to 0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:07.400 snuff because Megan is an exceptional improviser, Like you're definitely 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:11.160 mind melded to your fingers, and your husband. Meghan is 0:53:11.160 --> 0:53:13.040 married to an exceptional musician by the name of Mike 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:16.920 Seal mind melded his fingers and Tyler as well. So 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.040 I was like, you know what, I'm not going to 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:21.279 be that guy in the family. We're stepping up the game. 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.080 Okay, So how did you meet your husband, Megan? 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:32.160 So, Mike Seal played in Larkin Poe in our first 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.160 year of touring. So he he was a guitar player 0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:38.319 who joined joined us for the first eight months or so, 0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:41.919 mm hmm, yeah, okay. 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.560 You know you're touring musicians. I think it was Metallica 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.759 was on the road for a long time. They came home, 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:51.520 all of them got divorced. This is decades ago. Okay. 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:55.000 How do you keep a relationship going when you're on 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.120 the road and they're on the road, et cetera. 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:08.200 A lot of dedication and communication. It's it's not easy, 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:13.799 for sure, and there have been years when we just 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.879 haven't seen each other a whole lot. Like the it's 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.520 it's the worst when the tours don't line up. If 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.400 you're home and then they're gone and then you reverse. 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:28.520 It can be really really heartbreaking. But we always, you know, 0:54:28.560 --> 0:54:32.120 we always just have been super committed to making it work. 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.520 And there is a great comfort in your partner knowing 0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:39.720 exactly what you're going through, because it is a very 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:43.239 strange way to spend your life, and it can help 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:46.160 to have somebody who really knows what you're going through. 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:47.360 Yeah. 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:51.120 I do think it's actually, somewhat unexpectedly been a great 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:53.440 saving grace to be able to have so much of 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:56.560 a shared experience, because I do think it's very easy 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.640 to have a highly romanticized mental image of what touring 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:05.200 is like. Only in the last two years have we 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:08.120 actually been able to finally go out on bus tours. 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:11.920 Previously we were, you know, fifteen people in a fifteen 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:15.000 passenger van with the van and trailer and you're waking 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:18.080 up at six am and driving until three am, and 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.120 you're you're eating shit out on the road. You're not 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:23.360 making money like you know, like all this sort of 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:25.200 like the residual stress of touring. 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:29.480 It's not what people anticipate. 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:31.840 So I think the fact that you know, Meghan and 0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.920 Tyler and Mike and I, that we all have that 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:37.960 shared sense of okay, like you're not out there like 0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:41.400 snorting cocaine off someone's hu haas Like, no, you're just 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:42.840 you're out there counting merchandise. 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:44.760 Like I understand, and I trust what you're. 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:47.240 Doing, and and hey, I get what you're going through. 0:55:47.760 --> 0:55:50.279 That that really does help you, like stay. 0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:52.359 In sync with somebody, stay step to step even when 0:55:52.360 --> 0:55:53.560 you're miles apart. 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.359 How about the temptations of the road. You can talk 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:03.160 about drugs, there's article, there's women, and you ever, in 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:04.959 the back of your mind say well, I'm not seeing 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:07.279 and most people live in all the time with their 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:11.600 spouse and just just let your mind run wild. 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.040 Well, Tyler and I've been we've been together now since 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:22.160 what twenty fifteen, and we met when we were both 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.400 twenty I guess we were twenty five when we met, 0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:25.279 something like that. 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:26.520 And I think. 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.400 Especially early on, there there was a lot of concern. 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:34.160 I think a lot of insecurity that existed that would 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.160 that would allow your. 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.520 Your insecurities to run away with you, for sure. 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:45.319 But also I think acceptance is key too, Like, you know, 0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:47.720 I know my values and I know that I married 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.319 Tyler for his values. So you know, if ever he 0:56:51.440 --> 0:56:53.960 wanted to make a change, I think I'm pretty sure 0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.120 we'd both be man enough to like come to each 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.920 other and end things appropriately. I just I just don't 0:56:58.920 --> 0:57:01.480 really sense that there's ever been a thread in our 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:05.480 relationship that would want to create drama and or betrayal. 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:05.560 In that way. 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:08.279 I think we've both had people step out and be 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:10.160 shitty to us such that we would never want to 0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.200 do that, that we care enough and respect each other 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:14.640 enough to not want to do that. But again, Bob, 0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:17.040 like hey, never say never. 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.840 But also I think that we throughout the years have 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:27.600 come to really value the feeling of having your family 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:32.760 on the road, and it's the kind of atmosphere you 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:37.120 can manifest. And we are the leaders of our organization 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:40.680 and we can set the tone for what it's going 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.160 to be like for the people who are working for 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:45.880 us and touring with us, and what we want that 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:51.120 environment to be is kind. And you can really struggle 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.040 with mental health on the road. I think being an 0:57:53.120 --> 0:57:57.600 artist is it's challenging for that aspect, and you can 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:01.600 struggle with addiction, and there's all always things available to you, 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.280 like like like what you mentioned, and we want people 0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:07.120 to be in a in a in a safe space 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:11.000 where we can mitigate some of those risks for people, 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:16.040 and that's always been especially in the last what seven 0:58:16.160 --> 0:58:20.680 years of lur Campo, We've really wanted to create a 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:27.720 great touring atmosphere for for our people, like we really 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.920 value the people who are putting their lives in our 0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.760 hands and sometimes quite literally when you're driving the van, 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.640 and we want to we want to, you know, make 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:40.560 it special as special as we can. 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:45.120 Okay, you mentioned mental health. To what degree has you 0:58:45.240 --> 0:58:46.120 had challenges? 0:58:49.400 --> 0:58:52.480 I have had quite a lot of challenges over the 0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:55.120 past couple of years, and I think the pandemic has 0:58:55.280 --> 0:58:57.440 had has brought it on for a lot of artists. 0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:01.560 And I think it's because people are constantly grinding. And 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.280 I can say that for us for sure, grinding and 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.760 grinding and grinding for many years, and you don't sometimes 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:12.760 have a moment to stop and reflect. And the pandemic 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:15.960 I think, really forced a lot of us to stop 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:20.480 and reflect. And I think that that was challenging in 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.720 a lot of different ways. And I certainly experienced a 0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:28.680 lot of I guess you could call it a mental breakdown, 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.160 but where I really experienced what an anxiety disorder is 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:38.120 like and suddenly had such an appreciation for some of 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:43.120 these terms that fly around that I've spoken to and 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:48.400 not really known intimately what they what they feel like 0:59:49.120 --> 0:59:53.480 is like now I do, And I think that that 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.680 makes me all the more passionate for what people can 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:02.080 go through as far as mental health and all the 1:00:02.120 --> 1:00:05.240 things that can can go wrong. And I'm using air 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:08.680 quotes because there's always reasons for why we're experiencing things, 1:00:08.760 --> 1:00:10.760 or or maybe there isn't a reason, but there's a 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:15.240 mechanism for it. So I have a lot more respect 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:15.520 for it. 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:18.640 Now, did you see it professional to help you get 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:19.120 over the home? 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:24.080 I did go to therapy, Yeah, and I did go 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:26.160 I went to the doctor to try and figure out 1:00:26.200 --> 1:00:28.520 what I what I needed to do because I was. 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:32.280 I was really blown away by it, absolutely and helped 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:36.400 a lot having having Rebecca because she's just has my 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:40.720 back and every way and so so supportive and came 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:42.520 through it. You know, you just kind of have to 1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:46.640 go through things and believe that you're going to come 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:48.640 out the other side. And I and I really did, 1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:51.200 and I and I believed that I was going to 1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:52.160 come through it, and I did. 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:53.720 How about medication. 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.120 I have had a lot of family members who have 1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:02.000 dealt with this before, so it was something that I 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:05.480 feel lucky and very privileged to have watched other people 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:08.920 go through. So I kind of knew when I was 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:12.440 starting to experience the anxiety disorder. I knew what was 1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.440 happening to me, so I knew who to go and 1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:20.680 talk to, and the family that had experienced it suggested 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:24.560 that I try and at least try to do to 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:26.240 try to come through it without medication. 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:26.800 First. 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:29.760 I think there is a place certainly for medication, but 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:34.560 they suggested that I try without first, just to see 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:38.000 where I sat, and I'm glad for that because I 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:39.400 was able to come through without. 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:50.720 Okay, people have no idea how difficult it is to 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:53.640 go on the road. You know, they see somebody an 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:56.560 hour and a half on stage. They don't know that 1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.600 they're in close contact, traveling with the same people every day. 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:04.360 They get on their nerves, you get off stage, takes 1:02:04.600 --> 1:02:08.040 hours to calm down, which is why a lot of 1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:12.720 artists take drugs, because the cycle goes day day and 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.000 how do you cope with the stress. 1:02:14.600 --> 1:02:15.080 Of the road. 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.120 I think it's something that we still engage with or 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:26.480 try new things because you're You're exactly right, it is. 1:02:26.600 --> 1:02:31.680 It is a very tough experience, and I think especially 1:02:31.720 --> 1:02:34.520 as well, when a lot of the conversations you have 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:38.960 with people about the touring lifestyle is this overwhelming narrative 1:02:39.200 --> 1:02:39.960 of you. 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:41.440 Guys are so lucky. 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:45.040 It's you're seeing the world and like, you guys are 1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:47.600 just always on vacation, aren't you. And so then you 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:54.080 can also build up this this callous against realistically looking 1:02:54.080 --> 1:02:56.800 at your situation where it's like you feel, oh, I'm 1:02:56.840 --> 1:03:00.000 so blessed, like I shouldn't I don't even I shouldn't want. 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:02.960 I shouldn't engage with the fact that I'm really uncomfortable 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:06.160 and sleep deprived and missing my family and very very 1:03:06.200 --> 1:03:10.600 homesick and just craving like to be in one place 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:13.360 for more than five minutes. I shouldn't feel these things. 1:03:13.480 --> 1:03:15.840 So then I think, as Megan was speaking to earlier, 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:19.840 you are constantly in the state of sort of squashing 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:23.400 and and just continuing to move in order just. 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:28.440 To survive, but educating yourself, medicating yourself. 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:30.560 Right, yeah, which which again I think in terms of 1:03:30.600 --> 1:03:32.560 like the culture of our band, that's just never been 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:35.160 such a huge thing for us, which I it's just 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:38.320 by happenstance, and I feel very fortunate that we actually 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:43.960 together as a team, haven't had issues with substance or alcoholism. 1:03:44.520 --> 1:03:46.920 And but that's just that's not a credit to us. 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:48.439 That's just circumstantial, I think. 1:03:50.440 --> 1:03:52.840 But I think being able to be together and to 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:56.240 communicate a lot, the fact that we go through things 1:03:56.280 --> 1:03:59.800 together and we are constantly working on our relationship real time, 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:03.720 because as you can imagine, everything that you just described 1:04:04.520 --> 1:04:08.000 is at times amped up to like the nth degree 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:13.280 when you're experiencing those stressors, the isolation, the you know, 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:20.400 the exhaustion, the monotony, the fast paced nature with a sibling, 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:24.880 and and you're like trying to have that balance of 1:04:26.160 --> 1:04:31.120 work and sibling relationship that I think because so much 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:37.720 energy gets transferred into maintenancing our connection that we're able 1:04:37.880 --> 1:04:42.920 I think, to have a lot of release in that way. 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:45.080 It's hard. 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:47.240 It's actually, as I'm saying it, like do you know 1:04:47.280 --> 1:04:48.840 where I'm coming from, But it's a little bit hard 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:50.200 to describe. 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:57.920 Yeah, yeah, I do. I think. I think having having 1:04:58.760 --> 1:05:01.520 someone by your side who who keeps it real with 1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:06.200 you and you experience the highs and the lows together, 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:10.480 it's not something I take for granted. And then like 1:05:10.520 --> 1:05:14.160 you're saying, not squashing the emotions that you're feeling, but 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:20.240 at the same time also feeling overwhelmed, overwhelmingly grateful for 1:05:20.360 --> 1:05:25.560 the opportunities that we've been able to have. And you know, 1:05:25.600 --> 1:05:27.640 we have meet and greets ahead of the show, and 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:30.960 we're able to speak with some of the most amazing 1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:35.960 people who have these incredible stories and feel so privileged 1:05:36.000 --> 1:05:38.439 to be a part of their lives and actually quite 1:05:38.440 --> 1:05:42.480 a real way and to have that connection with then 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:50.040 thousands of people, it feels really incredible. And that's why 1:05:50.040 --> 1:05:54.200 you push through, because at the end of the day, 1:05:54.640 --> 1:05:56.960 we are really lucky to be able to have those 1:05:57.000 --> 1:06:01.720 experiences with other people. And that's that's why you push. 1:06:01.440 --> 1:06:03.560 Yeah, Because I mean, we can either we can either 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:07.920 come to the world with a nihilistic perspective, right of ah, God, 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:11.160 you know, the bloody Gospel of tooth and claw and 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:12.440 we all die and like. 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:13.120 Why are we here? 1:06:13.680 --> 1:06:16.400 And I struggle with myself right right, which is which 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:20.200 is a very real perspective, and I think that it's 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:23.560 staying within that groove, that groove of the needle. You 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:28.040 can go down the path of isolation and addiction, and God, 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:30.680 I'm just so tired and we have you know, fifteen 1:06:30.760 --> 1:06:34.840 shows left, et cetera, et cetera. Or you can lean 1:06:34.880 --> 1:06:39.360 into the connection, you can focus on the positives. You 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:43.480 can you can really, you know, look into someone's eyes 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:46.200 and hear them say to you, your music got me 1:06:46.240 --> 1:06:49.640 through the pandemic. Your music is what saved me. And 1:06:49.680 --> 1:06:51.480 you can believe the words that are coming out of 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:55.360 their mouth, and that completely drives your experience in a 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:56.120 different direction. 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:00.680 Okay, you mentioned earlier sight seeing and you mentioned again 1:07:01.120 --> 1:07:03.520 I know this guy who is the tour photographer for 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:07.560 led Zeppelin, grant a completely different era film as opposed 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:10.640 to digital, a lot more work, and he said, I've 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:14.240 been around the world and seeing nothing. So to what 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:17.840 degree how do you take advantage of the places that 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:18.320 you do go. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.640 We've been making an effort more so, and again I 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:26.080 think it's it's such a luxury actually, because you know, 1:07:26.360 --> 1:07:29.040 for so many years toying in the van, we would, 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:33.880 honest to god, roll up, you know, minutes before the 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:36.600 gig and then immediately have to leave. But being able 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.040 to make that leap into a tour bus has really 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:40.560 changed our experience. 1:07:41.040 --> 1:07:43.160 And you find those moments that you look forward to 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:46.760 in those those little things. Like for us, it's very 1:07:46.800 --> 1:07:51.640 food based. We love to experience the culture of another 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:55.560 city based on like their food and their coffee. So 1:07:55.600 --> 1:07:57.960 it's like we're always wanting to try out the different 1:07:58.080 --> 1:08:00.760 espressos of you know, all of these years in cities 1:08:00.760 --> 1:08:04.000 and they're different foods. So that that makes things exciting 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:06.000 and fine little things that you can look forward to. 1:08:06.280 --> 1:08:07.520 Yeah, go out in sight see. 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:10.920 Can you mention one or two restaurants that are your favorites? 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:20.280 Ooh, let me think one of my favorites in Paris 1:08:20.600 --> 1:08:25.280 is it's a restaurant that is all fire based. 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:27.120 They cook all of their. 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:30.160 Food over the open flame, and it's called Robert at 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:32.040 Luis and that is in Paris. 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:33.599 That's one that comes to my mind. 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:41.840 There also is a department store in Tokyo at the 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:47.559 Shibuyah crossing, that really famous crossing, and if you go 1:08:47.640 --> 1:08:50.720 down into the basement of that place, there's the most 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:54.360 incredible sushi I've ever eaten in my life. Amen, So 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:56.160 that's a that's a must. 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:59.960 Eat, Okay, And what particular cuisine is your face? 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:06.640 Ooh, I love Japanese and Korean food definitely my favorite. 1:09:08.000 --> 1:09:12.080 Man, that's a good question, Proba. Probably probably sushi is 1:09:12.080 --> 1:09:16.240 my favorite. I have to say, well, nothing can rival 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:21.560 some good southern cooking. There's a place here in Nashville. 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:24.880 I think there's two locations in town called Monel's and 1:09:24.920 --> 1:09:28.679 it's like the whole family style eating where they bring 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:31.280 out just whatever's on the menu. You don't order, they 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:34.800 just bring everything out, and that that I do love. 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:36.719 You can't rival some fried okra. 1:09:37.360 --> 1:09:40.080 Have you seen the film Jiro Dreams of Sushi? 1:09:40.760 --> 1:09:42.559 Yes, amazing film. 1:09:42.680 --> 1:09:43.839 I love that film. 1:09:44.160 --> 1:09:46.400 Okay, let's go back. You know, I like to go 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:49.400 to countries where they don't speak the language and it's 1:09:49.439 --> 1:09:53.439 really exotic. So where have you been that you really 1:09:53.520 --> 1:09:55.160 enjoy or where would you want to go that you 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:55.639 have a bit? 1:09:57.560 --> 1:10:01.120 Take it away, sissy one. 1:10:02.360 --> 1:10:05.479 I really love Japan, so I probably would love to 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.920 go back there on a on a vacation. But I 1:10:08.920 --> 1:10:11.760 would we we haven't gotten the opportunity to go to 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:15.479 South America and I would really love love to go 1:10:15.560 --> 1:10:18.360 to South America and be able to tour down there some. 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:21.880 Yeah, I have to I would. I would align with that. 1:10:22.040 --> 1:10:22.960 Mm hmmm hmm. 1:10:23.840 --> 1:10:27.719 Okay, you know the obvious question sort of the elephant 1:10:27.800 --> 1:10:30.840 in the room, and it sounds sort of sexist, but 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:32.040 it's there. 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:38.599 What about children, Oh, we absolutely want to have children. 1:10:39.680 --> 1:10:41.080 And I do think that there's a lot of lip 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:45.559 service for women in the music industry about trying to 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:49.439 make touring, you know, more accessible for women. I have 1:10:49.560 --> 1:10:52.439 had so many conversations with so many different women on 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:56.320 different tours who've had positive and negative experiences with being 1:10:56.320 --> 1:10:59.639 able to to continue to tour once you have babies. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:01.839 And logistically it sounds like a nightmare. 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:06.000 But is it possible? Yes? Are good things always easy? 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:06.120 No. 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:09.479 I think the fact that we are in a position 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:12.040 of leadership in our organization, the fact that there are 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:15.559 two of us and so we share similar goals that 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:16.720 would absolutely be. 1:11:18.720 --> 1:11:20.640 On the docket for sure. 1:11:22.400 --> 1:11:28.439 Began it's I think it's one of those things that 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:32.040 you will not know how you'll deal with it until 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:35.240 you have to deal with it. But likes she's saying, 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:37.320 I think that everything is possible. I think we have 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.320 had the two of us move through a lot of 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:42.599 difficult situations and we've always made it work. So I 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:44.519 have every faith that we'll be able to move through 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.680 whatever it is that we want to do. And we 1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:49.240 do want to have kids, and that will be part 1:11:49.280 --> 1:11:51.559 of it that we will absolutely figure out. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:55.720 Okay, So if you look at your career, you have 1:11:55.760 --> 1:11:58.519 the Garrison Keeler moment, you have all these peaks, You 1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:03.599 win the award for mandolin at Ruralfest. Can you tell 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:07.200 me about a couple of times where it didn't work out? 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:07.720 Oh? 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:14.000 Yeah, I mean I think, well, it's hard to even 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:15.679 think about what year this would be. 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:22.800 It would be probably two thousand and maybe sixteen. 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:26.240 Well, we had two gigs on the calendar for Larkin 1:12:26.280 --> 1:12:30.360 Poe and we were struggling to make to like find traction, 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.519 struggling to know what to do, and so much of 1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:36.759 our time was invested in going out and being musicians 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:40.920 for Elvis Costello, being musicians for you know, Connor Oberst 1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:43.440 and Christian Bush and Keith Urban. 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:44.519 That you know. 1:12:44.600 --> 1:12:47.679 There we were presented with the question, a very real 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:49.560 question of like if we were going to continue. And 1:12:49.600 --> 1:12:50.800 also I think we were sort of at a rocky 1:12:50.800 --> 1:12:52.400 patch in our relationship with Sisters too. 1:12:52.760 --> 1:12:57.120 We did some tours where we played to the bar 1:12:57.200 --> 1:13:02.360 staff didn't sell not even one ticket, and that is 1:13:02.400 --> 1:13:07.080 a humbling experience. And you still play the show and 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:07.640 you give it. 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:10.840 You're all do you ever consider giving up? 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:13.240 Yeah? Definitely, Yeah. 1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:17.280 I think in twenty sixteen, I'm pretty sure that's the 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:22.639 year we were having very very serious conversations, which, interestingly enough, 1:13:23.080 --> 1:13:25.320 is like when I mean, we were at the bottom, 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:28.200 like you couldn't get any lower. We weren't working under 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:31.000 the title of our band. The work that we had 1:13:31.040 --> 1:13:34.240 done was demoralizing, like Megan saying, I mean, yeah, in 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:37.360 Kentucky there was four people in the venue and they 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:42.720 were all working in the bar, And that's really hard 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.479 to explain to yourself and to the people that you're 1:13:45.520 --> 1:13:48.280 paying to be there, why that's happening, and how to 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:52.760 come back from that emotionally. And I think having those 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:58.120 tough conversations led us to having some galvanizing moments between 1:13:58.160 --> 1:14:02.880 the two of us in our relationship and creatively approaching 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:05.559 the music that we were gonna make. 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.840 Actually, we had felt like we had maybe gotten away 1:14:08.920 --> 1:14:12.120 a little bit from who we were. I think we 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:14.120 would just we didn't know what our voice was, We 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:17.320 didn't really remember who we were, and so it's like 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:21.080 we needed to come back together and figure out who 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:21.920 who we were. 1:14:24.240 --> 1:14:27.160 But it is insane actually to sit from this vantage 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:30.599 point and peer into the past and try to remember 1:14:30.640 --> 1:14:31.840 emotionally where we were. 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:33.360 At, because it felt desolate. 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:35.360 It felt like it felt like we had burned through 1:14:35.360 --> 1:14:40.000 the wick and we were done. But then somehow, baby 1:14:40.040 --> 1:14:43.439 step by baby step, we we. 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:44.160 Didn't give up. 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:50.040 We tried new things, we started writing some different songs, 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:51.960 we found new management. 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:58.200 We yeah, like we just sort of we didn't give up. 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.599 We didn't we didn't reached the point of self destruction 1:15:01.720 --> 1:15:04.320 that we were like burning the house down. We just 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:08.320 were sort of ghosts in the house. And we knew 1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:10.880 that we knew that we were capable, but we did 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:12.439 feel disconnected. 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:15.240 From self and we had we had recorded a couple 1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:19.599 of albums where we didn't produce or even co produce, 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:24.920 and those albums didn't do very well and didn't really 1:15:24.960 --> 1:15:26.920 feel like us, and I think we didn't feel like 1:15:27.000 --> 1:15:32.679 it was authentic. So that's when we decided, we've got 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:36.160 to produce ourselves, and we really want it to be 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:39.040 on our own label. We really want to figure out 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:39.559 who we are. 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:45.679 Okay, So, was as Rebecca said, was it a lot 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:48.960 of little things or was there a specific turning point 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:51.960 and you remember when you realize, wait a second, this 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:53.040 is now happening. 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:58.000 I do actually, and I think, really it is whatever 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:00.760 the inverse of death by a thousand cuts, It's like 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:05.400 a thousand band aids. We started doing our cover series 1:16:05.439 --> 1:16:08.360 on YouTube as well. We started using social media in 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:12.120 a new way. We started to really actually invest time 1:16:12.680 --> 1:16:15.599 into connecting with the fans that were actively following us 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:19.080 on Facebook and YouTube and Instagram, and we started to 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:22.880 share our talents and snippets. We would, you know, work 1:16:22.920 --> 1:16:24.960 up a Crosby Stales, Nash and Young cover, we would 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:28.000 work up an Alvis Costello tune, we'd work up a 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:32.400 traditional bluegrass song, and we would post it and we'd 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:36.240 share that with people imperfectly, and we were really shocked 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:41.400 when that started to catch on. We actually did a 1:16:41.439 --> 1:16:45.160 cover of Preach and Blues by Sunhouse, which we performed 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:46.720 in Los Angeles, and we try to do it every 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:49.559 night because it's such a meaningful song to us. That 1:16:49.680 --> 1:16:51.720 was one of our first cover versions to really go 1:16:51.840 --> 1:16:56.799 viral on Facebook and YouTube, and and it. 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:59.840 Was it was coming back to our roots, if we 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:03.040 were returning home in a way, coming back to the 1:17:03.120 --> 1:17:07.720 music that brought us up, which was bluegrass, but also 1:17:07.800 --> 1:17:10.959 was Mountain music and blues were like a very familiar 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:14.800 territory and it felt like a new discovery but also 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:15.440 a homecoming. 1:17:16.960 --> 1:17:20.840 Okay, how many views would these videos get? 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:25.880 Yeah, a few million, but I think honestly it was 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:28.200 even less for us the amount of views and who 1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:32.320 the views were like on that video, specifically on preaching Blues. 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:34.200 Bob Seger watched it. 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:38.519 Actually I guess it was Bob Seger's wife who watched 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:40.920 it and then showed it to Bob Seger. And then 1:17:40.960 --> 1:17:44.080 Bob Seger asked his people to get in touch with 1:17:44.120 --> 1:17:46.840 our people, which then resulted in us going out on 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:49.560 the road supporting him in his arena. 1:17:49.240 --> 1:17:52.160 Tour in eighteen. Is that right? 1:17:52.479 --> 1:17:55.000 Yeah, twenty eighteen, I believe we went out on the 1:17:55.080 --> 1:17:58.120 road with him, and again the power of social media 1:17:58.160 --> 1:18:00.880 to be able to connect you to an opportunity that 1:18:00.920 --> 1:18:04.240 you we had, we didn't conceive of that as a possibility, 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:07.320 but he watched the video and was moved by what 1:18:07.360 --> 1:18:10.160 we were doing and invited us out based on that 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:11.200 that cover. 1:18:11.960 --> 1:18:17.519 And today with TikTok being the premiere platform and also 1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:20.320 there's Instagram and Instagram wheels. To what degree are you 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:22.360 active on those platforms. 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:26.480 We're very active. I think you gotta. 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:30.080 One, you gotta dance with who brung Ya, And I 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:33.960 think the fact that we are an independent band supported 1:18:34.000 --> 1:18:37.960 by individuals, and those individuals watch us on social media 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.599 and keep tabs on us and believe in us and 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:43.719 bother to tune in, we always want to maintain that connection. 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:48.040 To be honest, when we were first making the videos, 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:52.519 it was just a practice tool. We didn't consider it 1:18:52.560 --> 1:18:56.880 to be something something real, Like we didn't really know 1:18:57.400 --> 1:19:01.080 if these viral video views, if million views on a 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:04.000 video would actually translate to anything in the real world, 1:19:04.520 --> 1:19:07.000 like are we gonna Will we be able to sell 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:10.679 tickets based on this? And it turns out that yes, 1:19:11.640 --> 1:19:15.240 it does, because once those videos went viral, like we 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:19.639 the very next European tour that we went out on, 1:19:19.760 --> 1:19:23.559 which was like a twenty two show run, and twenty 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:26.240 one show sold out of that tour, so it was 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:27.760 like it was a very real thing. 1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:32.439 And to what degree do you interact and respawn to 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:38.680 the fans and the people who watch these videos. 1:19:40.320 --> 1:19:41.679 It's an interesting balance. 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:43.720 I like this question because I feel like it puts 1:19:43.760 --> 1:19:48.280 us a little bit in a hot seat. We try 1:19:48.280 --> 1:19:50.439 not to read the comments, but also we can't help 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:54.040 but read the comments because we especially after the pandemic, 1:19:54.080 --> 1:19:56.600 we know and love these user names and we have 1:19:57.760 --> 1:20:00.400 you know, I mean to back up a little little bit. 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:03.160 You know, during the pandemic, we live streamed what four 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:04.360 or five times a week. 1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:10.160 Because I would say before the pandemic, we didn't interact 1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:15.560 with people directly much through the internet. Then the pandemic 1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:20.200 came along and we had already a huge online fan base. 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:24.240 That saved us that we had a we had some 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:27.439 people to turn to during the pandemic, and we were 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:30.479 able to keep working and we would do live streaming 1:20:30.520 --> 1:20:35.520 and from then there. From there we were directly commenting 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:38.920 and exchanging with people, and like we recognized the user 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.479 names and we know who the people are, and we're talking, 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:44.799 like talking on a daily basis with these people. 1:20:45.840 --> 1:20:48.719 And do you try to activate any of these people? 1:20:48.760 --> 1:20:51.280 Do you say hey, I'm coming to your town, bring 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:53.320 your friends stuff like that, or do you keep it 1:20:53.360 --> 1:20:54.040 at a distance. 1:20:56.360 --> 1:20:59.599 It's a balance, you know. I think we're honestly learning. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:06.799 We're still learning how, yeah, how to how to interact 1:21:06.800 --> 1:21:09.519 in a real way because there is a fear I 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:11.719 feel like you're kind of like we, like we spoke 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:14.519 about earlier. You know, you're sort of like one bad 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:16.479 egg away from throwing out the whole cart. And so 1:21:16.520 --> 1:21:19.519 I think there is fear about reading comments because it's hard. 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:24.519 It's hard to read critical stuff from from people who 1:21:24.560 --> 1:21:27.559 are emboldened by anonymity. You know, people can say the 1:21:27.560 --> 1:21:30.559 most terrible shit online that you can't even like fathom. 1:21:30.760 --> 1:21:32.240 It's like if I was standing in front of you, you 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:34.559 couldn't say this stuff to my face, like what. 1:21:34.479 --> 1:21:35.040 Are you doing? 1:21:35.160 --> 1:21:35.719 People could? 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:38.080 Some Yeah, well some people could. That's true. 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:42.719 Back at all, So back you know, like ten years ago, 1:21:43.360 --> 1:21:45.920 maybe a little bit longer. The end of the first decade. 1:21:46.320 --> 1:21:48.840 I used to call the heaters on the phone because 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:52.439 everybody is findable. Wow, and I was on a streak 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:54.240 of good experience. I call up saying, you know, this 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:56.320 is Bob Left that you obviously have a big problem 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.559 with me. Just tell me what it is, you know. 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:02.479 But then you read some people who are just you know, rigid. 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:07.120 But it was interesting. But let's assume you're going on 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:09.599 a tour, making up a tour. You're going on twenty 1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:14.680 twenty three fall tour. Do you have everybody's emails addresses. 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:17.559 How are you going to reach the lark in poth fans. 1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:19.920 It's a bit of both. 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:21.880 I mean, I think that we have felt very protective 1:22:21.920 --> 1:22:27.559 about trying to have a direct connection to our fans 1:22:27.640 --> 1:22:31.400 because you know, perhaps there is a future in which 1:22:31.439 --> 1:22:33.559 there is no Facebook or Instagram and how do you 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:36.679 reach these people. So we do have an email list, 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:40.479 We do try to capture, you know, people's information so 1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:42.800 that we can let them know what's going on. But 1:22:42.840 --> 1:22:44.760 it is it's a little bit of a scary reality, 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:48.200 you know, because we do rely on these platforms to 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:50.479 get our message out there to people. 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:53.240 So you bring up an interesting point. 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:03.840 Okay, let's go back to the songs themselves. What you 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:07.200 were in the lovell Sisters? Was it always original material? 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:10.160 How did you start to write songs? How do you 1:23:10.240 --> 1:23:12.200 write songs? And how do you write songs today? 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:19.960 Oh, the lovel Sisters was virtually no songs of our own. 1:23:20.560 --> 1:23:24.720 We did a lot of traditional numbers and towards the 1:23:24.800 --> 1:23:28.280 end of the Level Sisters was when we were really 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:32.320 discovering the idea of songwriting. And Rebecca is really leading 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:34.720 the charge with that. Rebecca still leads the charge with 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:36.800 a lot of our songwriting. 1:23:37.960 --> 1:23:42.840 Yeah, and uh, I think that songwriting is just like 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:48.879 you know, any other muscle. I think it does require strengthening, unless, 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:50.800 of course, and we've said this before in the past, 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.000 it's a little bit trite, but like unless you're Tom Petty, 1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:57.040 and Tom Petty just starts with mudcratch like writing friggin bangers, 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:59.479 you know, from the jump. But I do think it's 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:02.120 something that we that I personally have learned how to 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:04.759 do better and better with time, such that I feel, 1:24:04.800 --> 1:24:07.559 you know, our most recent album, Blood Harmony has some 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.759 of my most favorite songs that I've written, just strictly 1:24:09.800 --> 1:24:12.439 because I think, you know, you write a hundred songs 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:13.280 in order to get one. 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:17.360 Well, the question is do you write a hundred songs 1:24:17.400 --> 1:24:17.920 to get one? 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:19.800 I do I have? 1:24:21.080 --> 1:24:21.160 So? 1:24:21.720 --> 1:24:24.599 Do you write out inspiration or do you sit down 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:26.479 and say I have to write an now album? How 1:24:26.520 --> 1:24:28.600 do you do it? 1:24:28.600 --> 1:24:29.639 It's a bit of both. 1:24:30.040 --> 1:24:33.160 I think because we do tours so hard and I 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:37.680 do sing so aggressively and ferociously during our shows, I 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:40.800 do have to be very careful with vocal capital when 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:43.200 we're touring, so I don't really write when we're touring, 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:45.960 just because during the day, I'm usually like trying to 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:48.320 limit how much I'm talking just to optimize for the 1:24:48.360 --> 1:24:51.040 show and protect the vocals that I can give to 1:24:51.080 --> 1:24:54.040 the people who've bought the tickets. So we do wind 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:57.720 up having more of a seasonal approach, where we'll we'll 1:24:57.720 --> 1:24:59.479 be off the road for a second and get together 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:00.479 a batch of songs. 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:04.559 I feel like we like to write in preparation for 1:25:04.680 --> 1:25:07.840 an album because we do take a lot of what 1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:11.840 we've learned during the touring season and apply it to 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:15.000 the next record. But Rebecca is writing all the time 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:18.879 for fun, but those songs sometimes aren't necessarily for us 1:25:18.880 --> 1:25:22.960 is just working the creative muscle or writing from inspiration. 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:26.559 But we do take quite a workman like approach when 1:25:26.560 --> 1:25:29.920 we're writing for an album, like we are writing today 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:34.719 from ten am, you know, till we get like three 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:37.800 or four ideas at least, or finish at least you know, 1:25:37.840 --> 1:25:38.799 two or three songs. 1:25:39.040 --> 1:25:41.920 And we also have to be careful because I'm definitely 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:45.519 like the creative energy that is newest idea is the 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:48.080 best idea, and so I get bored with things very quickly. 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:50.400 So that's also where like we really have to wait 1:25:50.479 --> 1:25:53.680 to like, like, I'll be information gathering for months and 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:56.880 I'll have like probably like fifty or sixty titles in 1:25:56.920 --> 1:25:59.639 my notebook, but I make myself wait to write them 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:03.439 because otherwise, by the time it comes to getting into 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:06.519 the studio, I'll be like so bored with these songs 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:09.439 that they'll just be wasted in the end. There's so 1:26:09.520 --> 1:26:10.759 much waste in the creative process. 1:26:10.760 --> 1:26:12.240 I feel like, how about. 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:15.640 The Nashville model of writing sessions with third parties? You 1:26:15.680 --> 1:26:17.200 ever do that? 1:26:17.200 --> 1:26:20.760 That gives me anxiety personally. We have some we have 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:23.800 had some, and we've had had some successful experiences. 1:26:23.840 --> 1:26:24.880 But I do think. 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.280 That's that's somewhere I think I would like to learn. 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:31.880 I would like to to grow a bit, because I 1:26:31.920 --> 1:26:36.000 do think that the there are some incredibly special songwriters 1:26:36.000 --> 1:26:40.360 in Nashville who who are really able to collaborate to 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:43.160 the benefit of the music. So I would never want 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:47.280 to self isolate just because I like had stage fright 1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.920 or writers right or something. You know. 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:51.280 I'd like to try and. 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.240 To be honest, writing together the two of us is 1:26:54.560 --> 1:26:58.519 a fairly new thing as well. We did it very 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:02.360 successfully with this last record, Blood Harmony, and that's the 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.400 first one. We've really collaborated from the ground up on 1:27:05.439 --> 1:27:07.880 a lot of the songs on the record, and really 1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:12.920 heavily collaborated on all of all of them the editing process, especially. 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.760 Now speaking of Tom Petty's got that great line, the 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:20.880 record company didn't hear a single. To what degree do 1:27:20.920 --> 1:27:25.439 you feel internal pressure to write that one song that's 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:30.559 going to be relatively ubiquitous and push you into another league. 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:35.160 I love this question because I think there is no 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:38.679 right answer from where we currently sit. 1:27:40.000 --> 1:27:41.120 I think. 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:47.040 There is no pressure to write a hit one because 1:27:47.080 --> 1:27:52.120 I think the days of hits are are ever shrinking 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.880 for bands like us. I think the compromises that one 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:59.120 sometimes must make in order to have a hit song 1:28:00.160 --> 1:28:08.000 outweighs the pros. That's that's that's where we're coming at 1:28:08.000 --> 1:28:11.719 it for now. I think that we have definitely built 1:28:11.760 --> 1:28:17.760 a career based on context and bodies of work with 1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:22.919 our fans. I think our biggest concern when when curating 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:25.880 a body of work for an album has been that 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:30.439 is an entertaining listen from tip to tail, Because one 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:31.880 of my least favorite things is to put on an 1:28:31.880 --> 1:28:34.000 album where it's like you're just skipping through to get 1:28:34.040 --> 1:28:36.920 to the hits, or there's just a lot of filler. 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.920 So I think, obviously we've not written our best record 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:42.440 are you know, who's. 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:43.519 To say what our best record is? 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:46.439 But I do think that with every album that we've made, 1:28:46.479 --> 1:28:50.040 we've gotten closer to having every song at least be 1:28:50.080 --> 1:28:51.160 an entertaining listen. 1:28:52.640 --> 1:28:56.320 However, people don't realize when you write a lot, we 1:28:56.560 --> 1:29:01.000 create a lot. You know, when you hit an eleven, okay, 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:04.240 and you can't do it every day, but you know 1:29:04.439 --> 1:29:07.719 when you get there. So do you have a couple 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:11.479 of songs you say, yeah, irrelevant of acceptance, you know, 1:29:11.680 --> 1:29:15.240 streams on Spotify when you're writing in and you go, yeah, 1:29:15.280 --> 1:29:17.000 this is the one, this is going to resonate. 1:29:19.520 --> 1:29:25.320 That's so interesting. I don't know exactly how to respond. 1:29:27.160 --> 1:29:31.600 I think probably we've never written that song. Fully, I 1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.240 think that we have hit on it, hit on songs 1:29:34.240 --> 1:29:37.519 that I feel like, this is a this is a 1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:40.920 good song, and I I love what this song has 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:44.000 to say, and this song is true and authentic to us, 1:29:44.080 --> 1:29:46.200 and and I like and I love that. 1:29:49.200 --> 1:29:50.680 It's it's also subjective. 1:29:51.280 --> 1:29:54.120 Yeah, that's what That's what I find challenging to answer, 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:59.800 is because I think one of the things you have 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:04.160 to consider as a human is that you are involved 1:30:04.160 --> 1:30:07.880 in the process, right. So it's like when you're a 1:30:07.920 --> 1:30:11.599 writer and you're writing your thing, you have emotional connection 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:15.479 to it, so you can give it extra space or 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:20.000 love it especially hard when maybe it's not the best song. 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:22.200 So really, I don't know that I would ever feel 1:30:22.240 --> 1:30:30.240 competent in separating my own emotional ties to the art 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:34.839 to really have an objective viewpoint on its quote unquote quality. 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:39.439 Okay, shifting gears a little bit. I was talking to 1:30:39.520 --> 1:30:42.120 your manager has got a lot of experience, Peter Leak, 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:45.120 and he was talking about direction that you made a 1:30:45.200 --> 1:30:49.920 record with restoration hardware. How did Peter help focus you 1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:51.040 and direct your career? 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:56.760 Oh? I like this, what would you have to say this? 1:30:57.720 --> 1:31:01.439 In meeting Peter Leak and also Anipe it works side 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:06.360 by side together, we found people who were just one 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:09.880 hundred percent supportive and that is what we needed. And 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:13.479 they have really gone along with us on the things 1:31:13.520 --> 1:31:17.599 that we've wanted to undertake that have created so much 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:21.599 more work for them, and we so appreciate that they 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:26.040 have been really instrumental in helping us create our own 1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:31.519 record label. And that has given us the freedom to 1:31:31.600 --> 1:31:35.240 be able to go in all of these different directions 1:31:35.280 --> 1:31:39.800 that we've wanted to go. I mean, their support has 1:31:39.960 --> 1:31:42.799 made it possible for us to go further. 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:47.240 Now, when I went to see you live, I found 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:50.960 the music very reminiscent of late sixties and early seventies 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:54.400 blues rock to what deg we Are you versed in 1:31:54.439 --> 1:31:58.960 the music of those artists. 1:31:58.720 --> 1:31:59.960 Yeah, very well versed. 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.920 I think I've personally found a lot of passion for 1:32:03.520 --> 1:32:08.000 researching turn of the century blues music and allowing that 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:13.880 to filter into my understanding of rock en roll and 1:32:14.360 --> 1:32:15.639 blues rock and roll from. 1:32:15.520 --> 1:32:16.680 The sixties and seventies. 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:22.400 So yes, definitely have listened, listened a lot, listened extensively. 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:24.599 Okay, I'll throw out some band names. If you listened 1:32:24.600 --> 1:32:29.240 to fog Hat, yeah, okay, have you listened to Mountain? 1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:31.759 I have listened to Mountain. 1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:34.360 I don't know their records as much, but we've done 1:32:34.360 --> 1:32:36.120 a couple of fog Hat covers. I don't think we 1:32:36.160 --> 1:32:38.680 actually ever posted them, but I dig fog Hat, I 1:32:38.720 --> 1:32:40.160 dig Mountain, but I'm not as well. 1:32:40.200 --> 1:32:42.439 First, okay, what fog Hat covers were they? 1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:47.920 We did Chevrolet that was my favorite. 1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:52.760 Okay, And what about the trio British guitarist Jeff Beck, 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:57.280 who unfortunately recently passed Jimmy Page and Eric Clapton. To 1:32:57.320 --> 1:32:59.879 what degree do you know their work extends? 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:03.639 Yeah, big fans of all three of their playing. 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:09.160 Okay, So if you had to take two records from 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:12.120 that world, what albums would you pick? 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:15.439 Man, that's a good question. 1:33:16.760 --> 1:33:21.000 Are we allowed to use Zeppelin for Jimmy Page? 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:23.719 Absolutely, we can continue Zeppelin. 1:33:24.120 --> 1:33:26.879 Let's see. 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:31.679 I think Slowhand and I think probably Zeppelin four. 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:35.800 Okay, what are your favorite tracks on Zeppelin four? 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.840 That's hard to answer, because again, I think from our perspective, 1:33:44.160 --> 1:33:45.519 it's the album as a whole. 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:47.960 It's not singles, it's not tracks. 1:33:48.000 --> 1:33:51.519 It's like, oh yeah, just drop a needle and listen 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:52.280 through the whole thing. 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:55.320 And that is a big difference. It is a big difference. 1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:59.200 Okay. But if I'm listening to that album, rock and 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:03.799 Rolling Black really don't do it for me. The Battle 1:34:03.880 --> 1:34:07.120 of Evermore and when the Levy breaks, I could listen 1:34:07.160 --> 1:34:10.959 to those every day and going to California, Joe. 1:34:10.800 --> 1:34:13.120 Dog No, But I do love that you're picking the 1:34:13.160 --> 1:34:14.280 mandolin tracks though. 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:16.240 Good your hat off hat off. 1:34:16.920 --> 1:34:20.000 Well, you know, I don't want to get too much 1:34:20.000 --> 1:34:23.639 of a discussion of Zeppelin. I just don't find Black 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:27.160 Dog innovative enough. You know, it's got the riff. If 1:34:27.200 --> 1:34:30.600 I'm going with Zeppelin, you know, the first album with 1:34:30.960 --> 1:34:33.400 Good Times Bad Times. I'd rather listen to that than 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:36.200 Black Dog, although it's not as fast a record, but 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:41.519 you know, slowhand that's an interesting album too. So have 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:44.880 you met all those people? No? 1:34:45.320 --> 1:34:48.599 Actually, and I'm a little bit devastated by the loss 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:53.479 of I'm like so many people of Jeff Beck because Tyler, 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:57.839 my husband, was one of Jeff's proteges, and I missed. 1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:00.240 We were actually out on tour and so he came 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:03.360 through Nashville and I didn't realize that I was missing 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.640 my opportunity to meet him. That's that's very hard. But 1:35:06.800 --> 1:35:09.839 we've never met any of these cats. We've seen Clapton 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:13.400 live out in Los Angeles. I've never seen Jimmy Page 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:14.880 and I never got to see Jeff live. 1:35:15.840 --> 1:35:17.559 We opened for Robert Plant once. 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:23.080 Yeah, Okay, tell me more about after the Lovell Sisters, 1:35:23.120 --> 1:35:27.520 when you became side people. How did that come about 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.640 and how did you integrate into these acts? 1:35:32.240 --> 1:35:36.479 So Initially, I think our first side gig was with 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:37.840 Elvis Costello. 1:35:38.200 --> 1:35:41.439 What a way to start, I know, we had no idea. 1:35:42.360 --> 1:35:45.200 So again, it was at merle Fest, and this would 1:35:45.200 --> 1:35:50.720 have been I guess twenty seventeen or eighteen. 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:53.680 I believe it's thereabouts. 1:35:54.240 --> 1:35:57.639 Actually twenty sixteen, yeah, right, twenty fifteen, twenty. 1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:59.920 Sixteen, now this is this was back in two thousand 1:35:59.920 --> 1:36:00.479 and seven. 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:04.439 Oh, Lord, I get my dates, so you're absolutely right. Yeah, 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:08.200 we would have met Costello for the first time in seven. Golly, 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:09.760 that was a big margin of error. 1:36:09.840 --> 1:36:10.120 Lord. 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:15.080 And so they had a big all star jam on stage, 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.599 and and Elvis got up, and we were familiar with Elvis' music, 1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:21.280 but hadn't really connected who it was who was on 1:36:21.360 --> 1:36:25.040 stage singing, because I didn't recognize that my amish true 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:26.639 cover as the man that was up singing. 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:29.360 A gospel tune. But we dashed across stage. 1:36:29.080 --> 1:36:31.559 In this jam and started seeing harmonies to Elvis on 1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:36.040 like Angel Band or some traditional gospel tune, and we 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.439 sort of struck up an unlikely friendship. And he has 1:36:39.479 --> 1:36:42.519 been a really true mentor to us and invited us 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:44.840 out to open up for him on a few occasions 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:47.040 and Rebecca was just. 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:51.160 Very bold, and they had they had been writing each 1:36:51.200 --> 1:36:56.080 other letters and emails, just talking about music, and Rebecca 1:36:56.160 --> 1:36:58.880 had seen that he was playing in Europe and doing 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:01.680 a solo tour and said, Hey, I see that you 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:03.640 don't have a band. Would you like us to be 1:37:03.680 --> 1:37:07.880 your band? And that was how it started, originally us 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:10.840 backing him up. He's like, you know what, sure, come 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:11.920 on out and be my band. 1:37:13.040 --> 1:37:15.559 Okay, let's focus on that. To what degree are you 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:19.080 bold and aggressive, Rebecca and making opportunities? 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:21.400 Oh? Very bold? 1:37:22.320 --> 1:37:26.640 I mean I think it's so trite and tired, but 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:28.600 like you miss all the shots, you don't take, one 1:37:28.640 --> 1:37:30.120 hundred percent of the shots you don't take. 1:37:31.320 --> 1:37:33.200 And I think. 1:37:33.120 --> 1:37:36.200 Especially there is a power of the idealism of your 1:37:36.320 --> 1:37:40.720 early twenties too, where it's like you feel unstoppable man, 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:44.880 like I'm never gonna die, I'm gonna gun for it all, 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:47.200 and that has really served us well. But I think 1:37:47.240 --> 1:37:51.519 also like being motivated by love, by a joyful love 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:53.800 of music, has really opened a lot of doors that 1:37:53.880 --> 1:37:55.759 otherwise wouldn't have opened. 1:37:56.040 --> 1:37:58.120 Tell me a couple of things you did in the 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:01.280 last couple of years that you would consider bold trying 1:38:01.280 --> 1:38:04.439 to open the door or get it move up the ladder. 1:38:05.040 --> 1:38:10.040 Oh, let's think about this as recently as and you 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:13.800 were there. You saw Mike Kimble and Steve f Roni 1:38:13.880 --> 1:38:18.080 on stage, and I I have to say, I think 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.280 that Steve Roni is one of the biggest hearts on 1:38:20.320 --> 1:38:20.879 this planet. 1:38:20.920 --> 1:38:22.040 He's an incredible human. 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:26.240 But we met those two gentlemen back in the day 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:30.240 for a Music Cares event from mister Tom Petty. We 1:38:30.240 --> 1:38:33.000 were part of the backing band through Elvis Costello. We 1:38:33.080 --> 1:38:36.280 met t Bone Burnette and t Boone. Burnette was looking 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:39.680 for some musicians to take part as as part of 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.679 the house band, so we were hired to play mandolin 1:38:42.720 --> 1:38:44.840 an acoustic guitar, and Megan was going to play dobro 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:48.240 and lap steel and we sang BGVS. So we crossed 1:38:48.280 --> 1:38:51.519 paths with with both Mike and Steve at that event, 1:38:51.960 --> 1:38:55.040 and being huge Petty fans, we were of course just 1:38:55.160 --> 1:38:59.040 like tripping over ourselves, but we we sort of struck 1:38:59.120 --> 1:39:03.800 up some friendship again and ahead of our Los Angeles show. 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:08.519 I've only ever texted Mike like on his birthday just 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:11.080 to wish him happy birthday, but I reached out to 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:13.320 him and said like, Hey, we're coming through, We're playing 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:15.720 the Fonda. Would you be interested in coming out as 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:18.920 our guest? And he said yeah, hell yahad what are 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:19.360 we playing? 1:39:20.160 --> 1:39:21.759 And I was so stuck. 1:39:21.800 --> 1:39:25.000 And this is literally like probably maybe six or seven 1:39:25.080 --> 1:39:27.840 days ahead of the show, and I immediately just started 1:39:27.840 --> 1:39:30.479 frantically screenshotting the text and sending it to Meg. 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:32.120 And I'm like, oh my god, what do we suggest? 1:39:32.200 --> 1:39:36.040 And you know, we shot out some ideas and both 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:38.519 both Steve and Mike came out and sat in with us. 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:42.040 And I never would have believed if you told me 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:44.639 two weeks ahead of the show that we would have 1:39:46.640 --> 1:39:49.439 the Heartbreakers on stage with us playing a Tom Petty tune, 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:50.360 that that was going to happen. 1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:51.320 It was so special. 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:55.280 Okay, what is an ask you're afraid to ask, but 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:56.080 would like to. 1:39:58.600 --> 1:39:59.360 Just in general? 1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:06.639 Yeah, mmm, man, this could go in so many different directions. 1:40:06.640 --> 1:40:09.600 I love the broad nature of the question, so to 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:17.320 see what comes to your mind. 1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:23.080 I mean, we've over the years talked a lot about 1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:27.040 our respect for Bonnie Ray and how much we would 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:31.920 love to do something with her, and we probably could 1:40:32.000 --> 1:40:33.439 find a way to reach her. 1:40:34.600 --> 1:40:37.240 I feel like that would be exceptional. 1:40:37.320 --> 1:40:40.320 I think to do like an all female review, like 1:40:40.479 --> 1:40:43.960 do something with some dueling slides, oh Man, with Bonnie Ray, 1:40:44.080 --> 1:40:47.960 with Joan Jet, with Melissa Ethridge, with Eryl Crowe, with 1:40:48.600 --> 1:40:49.679 who else should we add? 1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:52.080 Man? 1:40:53.880 --> 1:40:55.320 I think that's a pretty good list. 1:40:55.400 --> 1:40:56.480 Pretty good. 1:40:58.080 --> 1:41:01.639 Let me just focus on this period of time where 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:05.040 you are Lark and Poe and you're wondering whether you're 1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:08.080 side people or whether you're going to be an act? 1:41:08.280 --> 1:41:11.400 Is Lark and Poe? You mentioned Keith Urban, you mentioned 1:41:11.439 --> 1:41:14.400 these other racks. What acts did you work with and 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:16.040 how extensive was that work? 1:41:17.920 --> 1:41:21.479 Yeah, So, you know, outside of doing on again, off 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:25.559 again tours with with Elvis Costello, we also picked up 1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:29.240 work with Christian Bush, who is one half of sugar Land, 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:32.240 and he's Atlanta based and so through the scene he 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:35.000 was aware of our our musicianship. We you know, we 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:39.200 did a lot of early work, you know, and Decatur 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:42.000 in and around Atlanta. Eddie's addic and sort of the 1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:45.040 stomping grounds of the singer songwriter scene. So he actually 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:48.120 hired us to come out for his solo project and 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:50.880 he gave us a lot of work like twenty sixteen, 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:53.920 twenty seventeen that helped pay our bills, and we learned 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:56.360 so much actually getting to watch him as a bandleader 1:41:56.439 --> 1:41:58.040 and how he integrated with his people. 1:41:58.240 --> 1:41:59.080 Very inspirational. 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:04.479 And then after that Connor Oberst which eyes. 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:06.160 Yeah, that was a cool experience. 1:42:06.439 --> 1:42:11.400 Yeah we did. I can't even remember a few months 1:42:11.439 --> 1:42:11.840 with him. 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:15.320 Yeah, how did that connection even happen? 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:18.479 Yeah, it's I was actually just trying to remember and 1:42:18.479 --> 1:42:23.080 and I just made I remember. So again, t Bone 1:42:23.080 --> 1:42:26.280 Burnett invited us. Well, let me think about this. We 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:31.080 were in Los Angeles working on our album Ken and 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:35.680 Elvis Costello was in town at Capitol Records and they 1:42:35.680 --> 1:42:38.240 were doing the New Basement Tapes. So it was that 1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:43.080 all star cast of individuals cutting live and so I, 1:42:43.160 --> 1:42:44.840 you know, just sort of on a whim text at 1:42:44.880 --> 1:42:46.800 Elvis like, oh my gosh, are you in town. We're 1:42:46.800 --> 1:42:48.960 in town making our record. What are you all up to? 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:53.240 Do you need any vgvs? 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:55.840 And so they invited us over to come and play 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:58.400 mandolin and sing some some background vocals for the New 1:42:58.439 --> 1:43:01.960 Basement Tapes. And so we met Taylor Goldsmith from Dawes 1:43:02.680 --> 1:43:05.839 and a handful of folks and Marcus Mumford and Rihanna 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:10.640 geedd Ins and just sort of found some like minded individuals. 1:43:11.120 --> 1:43:15.320 And Dawes was doing some work with Connor Oburst. They 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:19.160 were his band, yeah, his Upside Down Mountain tour, and 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:23.799 so they were doing a Letterman and they needed additional players, 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:27.719 and so in order to get sort of all worked 1:43:27.800 --> 1:43:29.760 up for the late night appearance, we went out on 1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:33.080 the road and acted as the band for Connor and 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:36.120 it's some really interesting work. I think I played mostly mandolin, 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:38.160 which was sort of an out liar for me at 1:43:38.160 --> 1:43:38.519 that time, and. 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:42.400 We were seeing the vocal harmonies that First Aid Kit 1:43:42.520 --> 1:43:43.799 had recorded on his record. 1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:47.600 Okay, if you go to your Wikipedia page, not that 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:51.000 I always rely on it, and I'm sure that you 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:55.639 can tell when when the act itself was involved. There's 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:59.880 this list of all these accomplishments. Now you talk about 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:04.400 very Home Companion. Even Garrison Keeler is out of that 1:44:04.600 --> 1:44:10.680 and the whole thing is imploding. But people who've consistently 1:44:10.720 --> 1:44:14.960 been creative know you think about your big break and 1:44:15.000 --> 1:44:17.559 then you achieve that you realize it's not that big, 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:22.519 and you also realize things you may not even want 1:44:22.520 --> 1:44:26.240 it to do end up paying dividends. So you know, 1:44:26.280 --> 1:44:29.200 I can read a list of all this stuff, But 1:44:29.560 --> 1:44:32.400 what has moved the needle for you? And what is 1:44:32.439 --> 1:44:35.519 it that would move push it over the limit? 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:45.160 You hit the nail on the head that it's wonderful 1:44:45.240 --> 1:44:48.200 to get a Grammy nomination, But when it comes right 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:52.759 down to it, it doesn't. It doesn't really mean anything 1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:57.800 for us. What means something is the people that buy 1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:02.839 the tickets and that connection that I was speaking about before, 1:45:04.080 --> 1:45:07.200 the fact that somebody moved their life around just a 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:09.880 little bit to make room for you. And if you 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:17.640 multiply that times a million, that's quite a wave that 1:45:17.680 --> 1:45:24.920 you're creating, and that is so incredible, and that moves 1:45:25.200 --> 1:45:28.080 the needle a lot. And when we are able to 1:45:29.160 --> 1:45:32.880 travel around the world and at this point now we've 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:35.200 not played to it just the bar staff and quite 1:45:35.200 --> 1:45:39.599 some time, and feels so incredibly lucky to be able 1:45:39.640 --> 1:45:43.000 to do that. That it's those people who are actually 1:45:43.160 --> 1:45:45.960 out there buying the music, buying the merch and supporting. 1:45:46.680 --> 1:45:50.479 To have those people around is what really makes a difference. 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:55.160 Yes, but in your career, I mean you have some 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:59.000 peaks like the Garrison Keeler thing that opened up opportunities. 1:46:00.320 --> 1:46:03.600 Everything's changed now. Late night performances will give you a 1:46:03.680 --> 1:46:07.960 video Don't move the needle, SNL will show that the 1:46:07.960 --> 1:46:12.200 the labels behind it, CBS Sunday Morning. Is there anything 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:14.639 that still moves the needle? H? 1:46:14.800 --> 1:46:23.320 Yeah, I guess it depends on on Yeah, like huntry too, because. 1:46:24.560 --> 1:46:28.559 It's it's been very interesting that when you're talking about 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:32.280 like promotion, what moves the needle in the UK is 1:46:32.320 --> 1:46:35.960 different from Germany. And and we've we've actually had an 1:46:35.960 --> 1:46:39.240 opportunity to go on some of the there, like late 1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:42.360 night TV shows that actually still do make a huge 1:46:42.400 --> 1:46:45.320 difference over there. You know, We've gotten to do Germany's 1:46:45.439 --> 1:46:49.880 version and in France's version, and and it is really 1:46:49.920 --> 1:46:51.479 cool to be able to go on those shows and 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:54.720 see how much of a difference it still makes. That's 1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:58.040 that's been pretty pretty amazing, especially over over in Europe. 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:00.880 We've had a lot of great opera cotunities like that. 1:47:01.120 --> 1:47:01.720 Yeah. 1:47:01.760 --> 1:47:03.640 And I think it's an interesting question and one that 1:47:03.680 --> 1:47:06.160 I think probably based on the amount of change that 1:47:06.160 --> 1:47:08.559 we've seen in the industry in the last like I 1:47:08.600 --> 1:47:11.479 mean really condensed change in the last five ten years, 1:47:12.280 --> 1:47:14.080 It's hard to know how to answer that question, I think, 1:47:14.160 --> 1:47:17.040 especially for a band like us who lives so outside industry, 1:47:17.160 --> 1:47:17.320 you know. 1:47:17.479 --> 1:47:21.280 We Oh sorry, I just totally I totally interrupted you. 1:47:21.320 --> 1:47:23.320 But as I was thinking about it, I was like, 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:26.360 what has brought us all of these opportunities really? As 1:47:26.360 --> 1:47:29.080 social media? I mean, that's got to be what has 1:47:29.360 --> 1:47:35.040 driven our success is videos going viral and people finding them. 1:47:35.400 --> 1:47:38.760 Well and paired with relentless touring. The fact that we 1:47:38.840 --> 1:47:41.920 have honestly beaten the streets for eighteen years and have 1:47:42.320 --> 1:47:46.280 managed to continue to keep our strength up and revel 1:47:46.280 --> 1:47:49.560 in the connection with people enough to really merit, continuing 1:47:49.640 --> 1:47:53.320 to work really hard and carry ourselves literally around the world. 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:57.240 Okay, you have achieved quite a status, But what is 1:47:57.280 --> 1:48:00.400 the dream? 1:48:02.800 --> 1:48:07.000 This may be a little bit boring, but I honestly 1:48:07.040 --> 1:48:09.680 think the dream for us is just being able to 1:48:09.720 --> 1:48:14.400 continue what we're doing better, just a little bit better 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:17.719 each time. I think that that for us has actually 1:48:17.760 --> 1:48:24.559 been the biggest gift is how long it's taken us 1:48:24.600 --> 1:48:25.400 to get anywhere. 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:27.479 I see. 1:48:27.520 --> 1:48:31.800 I see bands that are much younger than us who 1:48:31.840 --> 1:48:35.680 have much less quote unquote experience hitting it big and 1:48:35.880 --> 1:48:39.000 not being able to really I think have the context 1:48:39.080 --> 1:48:43.680 to like appropriately assimilate the meaning of their success. But 1:48:43.800 --> 1:48:47.840 I think for a band like us who has slapstickers 1:48:47.840 --> 1:48:51.720 on the CD and stuffed the jewel cases and the 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:55.439 digipas and drawn the T shirt and driven the van 1:48:56.320 --> 1:49:00.280 and paid for the gasoline and paid for the band 1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:03.840 members when you yourself were not getting paid. And the 1:49:03.960 --> 1:49:07.200 level up from a mini van to a fifteen passenger 1:49:07.439 --> 1:49:13.800 again as Lark and Poe into a tour bus, being 1:49:13.800 --> 1:49:17.320 able to command, you know, a later night slot, being 1:49:17.360 --> 1:49:20.280 able to carry your production with you for the first time, 1:49:21.200 --> 1:49:24.200 being able to call your heroes and have them text 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:26.760 you back and be like, yeah, I'll be your guest. 1:49:27.400 --> 1:49:28.759 Suddenly this is the dream. 1:49:28.960 --> 1:49:35.280 Suddenly suddenly it's it's uh, you understand, you understand what 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:35.840 it means. 1:49:36.160 --> 1:49:39.440 And so I think, because we've been patient. 1:49:39.080 --> 1:49:45.120 With our story again, we're not you know, there's there's 1:49:45.200 --> 1:49:47.519 buzz around Lark and Poe for sure, Is it the 1:49:47.560 --> 1:49:48.320 biggest buzz? 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:48.519 No? 1:49:48.800 --> 1:49:51.200 Do we need it to be? No, because we get 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:52.560 to do what we want. 1:49:52.760 --> 1:49:55.639 And you know, we've been able to literally pay our bills, 1:49:55.880 --> 1:49:58.320 even though sometimes the you know, we didn't quite get there, 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:00.960 or the bills were themselves very very small because we 1:50:00.960 --> 1:50:05.120 were living in somebody's attic. We've been able to do 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:07.400 it with music, and music has always been there for 1:50:07.479 --> 1:50:10.639 us and there's nothing better than that. And it sounds 1:50:10.640 --> 1:50:13.559 like I'm like being like the Hallmark version, but it's 1:50:13.600 --> 1:50:15.559 it's honest. That's the honest, to God's truth. 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:19.960 Okay, you have your sleeves rolled up, you have tattoos 1:50:19.960 --> 1:50:22.639 on your hands and your arms. I don't see any 1:50:22.680 --> 1:50:25.160 tattoos on Megan. Megan, do you have any tattoos? 1:50:26.000 --> 1:50:28.599 I do. Actually they're just a little little bit more hidden, 1:50:29.080 --> 1:50:29.559 but I do. 1:50:29.640 --> 1:50:32.000 I have. I have a few. 1:50:32.080 --> 1:50:32.599 I have a few. 1:50:32.680 --> 1:50:37.200 Yeah, okay, but is that reflective of your personalities? 1:50:38.680 --> 1:50:38.880 Oh? 1:50:39.400 --> 1:50:40.240 What do you think, Megan? 1:50:40.320 --> 1:50:41.559 I want to hear what you have to say. 1:50:41.880 --> 1:50:44.639 Yes, Because here's here's Rebecca going in to get a tattoo. 1:50:44.960 --> 1:50:47.040 I don't really know what I'm gonna get, but it's 1:50:47.120 --> 1:50:50.360 just gonna make it self known. And then the person 1:50:50.680 --> 1:50:53.160 like they talk, her and the tattoo artists talk and 1:50:53.200 --> 1:50:56.800 they and then he draws something up and and she goes, Okay, 1:50:56.880 --> 1:50:59.920 let's do it, and then she gets a tattooed on her. 1:51:00.360 --> 1:51:04.840 Whereas I would sweat bullets about what I'm gonna get 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:07.720 and should I do it? I don't really know. I 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:09.800 don't I don't know what I want to put on 1:51:09.840 --> 1:51:10.360 my body. 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:13.400 Well that's not even really fair. Hold on one second, 1:51:13.439 --> 1:51:15.000 let me add let me add it to I've. 1:51:14.840 --> 1:51:17.040 Been wanting to get more tattoos for years, but I 1:51:17.040 --> 1:51:18.200 don't know what I want to get. 1:51:18.280 --> 1:51:21.200 But this, I think is also like what she's just describing, 1:51:21.360 --> 1:51:25.240 is the magic of our relationship, because I am definitely 1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:30.160 like the uh the just fling it at the wall 1:51:30.200 --> 1:51:33.000 and see what sticks person, and that has a place. 1:51:33.479 --> 1:51:35.040 And Meghan is our researcher. 1:51:35.320 --> 1:51:39.240 Meghan is our measured researcher who will make sure that 1:51:39.240 --> 1:51:41.720 that you know, Rebecca's not booking the first flight that 1:51:41.760 --> 1:51:44.320 she sees and paying triple the price. 1:51:44.439 --> 1:51:48.240 But the world of creativity isn't always so concrete, so 1:51:48.439 --> 1:51:50.800 there's some things you can't research. And I think that's 1:51:50.840 --> 1:51:55.280 probably what what is hard for me fair, Fair, But 1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:56.280 that's why we have each other. 1:51:57.280 --> 1:52:01.640 Okay, Like that old cheap trick song, Southern girls, what 1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:05.120 are people you're from the South Georgia, Tennessee? What are 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:08.840 people in the north and coasts don't understand about the South? 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:15.120 Mm hmmm. 1:52:18.240 --> 1:52:26.080 I think most importantly, we all have to aspire to 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:29.720 be the best versions of who we are, right And 1:52:29.800 --> 1:52:34.680 I think also you know, birth and place and status, 1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:37.840 and if you're poor, you're rich, or you're white or 1:52:37.880 --> 1:52:41.439 you're black. All this stuff has connotations attached. All this 1:52:41.439 --> 1:52:46.719 stuff has baggage. But I think for us being Southerners 1:52:46.760 --> 1:52:50.080 and making the kind of music that we make, it 1:52:50.120 --> 1:52:52.760 feels very important to us because we want to be 1:52:52.800 --> 1:52:55.599 the best version of who we are. And I think 1:52:56.360 --> 1:52:59.719 it's hard to you know, grow up listening to Southern 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:02.760 rock and roll and loving a lot of Southern rock 1:53:02.800 --> 1:53:05.920 and roll, but not finding yourself and the music, not 1:53:06.120 --> 1:53:12.400 seeing your own reflection back looking back at you out 1:53:12.400 --> 1:53:14.960 of the music. So I think I think for us, 1:53:15.000 --> 1:53:18.160 whenever we travel abroad or we travel around the country 1:53:18.600 --> 1:53:21.080 and we are making Southern music, we're making Southern rock 1:53:21.120 --> 1:53:24.800 and roll, it's important for people to understand that we're 1:53:24.840 --> 1:53:27.920 doing it on our terms, and we're doing it with 1:53:27.960 --> 1:53:30.600 a with a big with a big heart, you know, 1:53:31.160 --> 1:53:32.840 with with hopefully being able to. 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:36.720 Provide like a wider perspective. 1:53:37.720 --> 1:53:41.960 So I'm not exactly answering your question because I it's 1:53:42.000 --> 1:53:44.719 a little tricky to know how how to so simply 1:53:44.760 --> 1:53:46.160 reply what am I missing? 1:53:50.000 --> 1:53:50.360 I think. 1:53:50.520 --> 1:53:55.559 Uh, I think it's that very possibly. We don't want 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:58.719 a pigeonhole either the north or the South. 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:00.000 Yeah. 1:54:00.080 --> 1:54:02.000 Uh, that's fair. 1:54:02.080 --> 1:54:05.040 Yeah, I think it's very It is very tempting to 1:54:05.040 --> 1:54:07.920 paint with the broad brush and to to oversimplify, but 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:11.640 I think that that can be very very dangerous. 1:54:12.479 --> 1:54:15.439 People are people, That's. 1:54:15.240 --> 1:54:19.519 What Depeche Mode said. In any event, what can Lark 1:54:19.560 --> 1:54:22.080 and Po fans look forward to in the future. 1:54:23.400 --> 1:54:27.680 Oh man, we have some good stuff coming down the pipeline. 1:54:28.360 --> 1:54:33.360 I think I've I've had some really momentous experiences personally 1:54:33.400 --> 1:54:35.280 this year that I think are really gonna give me 1:54:35.800 --> 1:54:38.440 a lot to work from from a songwriting perspective. 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:40.480 So I'm looking forward to that. 1:54:40.680 --> 1:54:42.720 You know, like in the little Heidi Hole of my 1:54:42.760 --> 1:54:44.960 heart where I just keep all the titles, there's stuff 1:54:44.960 --> 1:54:48.280 that's kicking around that I think will we'll open up 1:54:48.280 --> 1:54:49.680 some new doors press creatively. 1:54:50.040 --> 1:54:55.400 I think we've learned a lot in touring this year 1:54:56.240 --> 1:54:59.440 that's gonna be very applicable to the next record. So 1:54:59.440 --> 1:55:02.720 I'm real really excited for us to be able to 1:55:02.720 --> 1:55:04.800 write some more because I do think that our next 1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:06.400 record is going to be pretty special. I just have 1:55:06.440 --> 1:55:06.880 a feeling. 1:55:07.160 --> 1:55:10.080 Yeah, and also so much touring, so much touring this year. 1:55:10.840 --> 1:55:13.920 What did you learn on the road? 1:55:14.560 --> 1:55:19.120 Oh man, what have we learned? 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:26.960 I I think that we're becoming more open to collaborations again, 1:55:29.240 --> 1:55:33.680 because we were very collaborative in the early years. Then 1:55:33.720 --> 1:55:37.640 we closed ourselves off a little bit to learn more 1:55:37.680 --> 1:55:41.120 about ourselves. And now that we're at a place where 1:55:41.120 --> 1:55:44.640 we know who we are, I think that we're I 1:55:44.680 --> 1:55:47.840 think we're becoming more open again in a great way. 1:55:48.040 --> 1:55:48.800 Yeah. 1:55:48.840 --> 1:55:53.200 And I would also say that I think, you know, 1:55:53.480 --> 1:55:58.960 speaking about over oversimplification. You know, sometimes there is this 1:55:58.960 --> 1:56:03.080 this huge and instinct to rate our experiences is positive 1:56:03.160 --> 1:56:07.440 or negative, like you have a flat tire, and it's 1:56:07.560 --> 1:56:09.880 very easy to say, like, ah, this sucks, this is 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:12.520 the worst thing that's happened to me today. And I 1:56:12.520 --> 1:56:14.920 think increasingly like the older that I get, and the 1:56:14.920 --> 1:56:20.680 more opportunities and experiences that come through the door, positive 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:24.000 or negative, I realize there are no good guys, there 1:56:24.000 --> 1:56:27.280 are no bad guys. Like everybody is a little bit 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:31.040 of everything, and that also applies to the experiences that 1:56:31.080 --> 1:56:35.920 we have in life. You know, you can't you can't 1:56:36.000 --> 1:56:39.160 judge the book by its cover, because there is a 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:42.440 bigger picture that we can't see when we're granularly focused 1:56:42.440 --> 1:56:43.320 into the details. 1:56:43.680 --> 1:56:44.720 It's like it's more. 1:56:44.560 --> 1:56:47.120 I think I'm having you guys, I'm having a spiritual 1:56:47.160 --> 1:56:48.280 awakening now. 1:56:48.240 --> 1:56:50.320 But it is it's like it's more of a dow. 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:52.840 Perspective of, like, you know, accepting things as it comes 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:55.560 and not rating, not rating your experiences, just letting them 1:56:55.680 --> 1:56:59.320 wash over you. Anyway, welcome to my ted talk. 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:03.040 On that note, I think both of you have been 1:57:03.160 --> 1:57:05.680 very open talking about the ups and downs and the 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:09.680 steps in your career, and people don't have any idea 1:57:09.880 --> 1:57:12.360 how hard it is to make it. So I want 1:57:12.400 --> 1:57:15.680 to thank both of you, Rebecca and Meghan, for taking 1:57:15.720 --> 1:57:17.680 the time to talk to me and my audience. 1:57:19.080 --> 1:57:21.680 Thank you for having us. We so appreciate you in 1:57:21.720 --> 1:57:22.360 your perspective. 1:57:24.000 --> 1:57:26.920 Okay, till next time. This is Bob left Sex