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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, with two days to go until the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Move the six Podcast presented by FedEx

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Speaker 1: In for DJ Today, I am Rett Louis here with

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Speaker 1: the guys Bucky Brooks and Lance Zerline, and we are

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Speaker 1: inching closer towards the draft. The path to the draft

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Speaker 1: is getting smaller and shorter, which only means the intrigue

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Speaker 1: is building, the buzz is building, and guys, welcome. Glad

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Speaker 1: that happened to anywore everybody see that just a little bit, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and not necessarily draft related, although we could see some

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Speaker 1: ripple effects when the Tampa Bay Bucks get on the

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Speaker 1: clock and with their various selections because they have pulled

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Speaker 1: off a trade Rob Gronkowski going from retirement to reuniting

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Speaker 1: with Tom Brady Patriots and Bucks agreeing to a trade

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Speaker 1: that will send Gronkowski in a seventh rounder to Tampa,

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Speaker 1: which schnet's the Patriots a fourth round pick in return.

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Speaker 1: All those picks are for this year. So, I mean, guys,

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Speaker 1: first off, this is awesome. Um, We've been asking Rob

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Speaker 1: Gronkowski whether he was gonna return forever. Now we know

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Speaker 1: he is um bucky and not bad for the Patriots either,

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Speaker 1: getting a fourth round pick for a retired player. No,

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Speaker 1: not not bad at all. And you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it puts them in a position to use

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Speaker 1: Obviously they lose TP twelve. Uh you talk about Rob Gronkowski,

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Speaker 1: their team that has gotten older. Uh, there's some playmakers

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Speaker 1: that they need to add. And so as we head

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Speaker 1: fourth round pick which they could flip into moving into

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Speaker 1: range to get a better player, maybe a blue chair prospect.

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Speaker 1: It would be interesting to see how the New England

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Speaker 1: page is kind of part lay this as they rebuild

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Speaker 1: at this, to be honest with you, I know the

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Speaker 1: initial assessment's gonna be that's Rob Gronkowski, But really that's

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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski who hasn't played football for a year and

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Speaker 1: who wasn't gonna come out of retirement to play with

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Speaker 1: anyone else, So you really didn't. Your options were pretty limited.

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Speaker 1: If you're um New England. You can either get a

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Speaker 1: It was that simple. And if you're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you when you really think about

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Speaker 1: wasn't that way at all. He's pragmatic. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy in a different division now and uh,

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Speaker 1: didn't seem like Rob Gronkowski was ever going to go

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Speaker 1: Uh like that, I mean really interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes later, the deal's done. Gronk has taken

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Speaker 1: a physical. Uh, He's gonna play for his one year

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Speaker 1: felt like this was kind of in the works Buck

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Speaker 1: more because now what what happens? How are the dominoes

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Speaker 1: falling for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So now you have

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Speaker 1: they use um Rob Gronkowski as a designated hitter, like

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Speaker 1: now with that fourteen pick, if you're the Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: build this offense around Tom Brady, the only thing that's

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bucks are digging around on getting inside the

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Speaker 1: He needs functional pass protection. That's all he really needs.

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Speaker 1: So they may not be in any It might not

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Speaker 1: Um it hadn't been in the conversation because obviously teams

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Speaker 1: wonder if general managers and directors have to have that

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Speaker 1: him call this team the dream team. Right, Yeah? I mean,

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Speaker 1: It's good connecting the dots there and Lance with that,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out with us on the grounk. We

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Speaker 1: the Sticks. We're gonna get into some of our safest

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Speaker 1: And then also look at the depth of a couple

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Speaker 1: edge rusher off the board. Although I don't think it

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00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: would surprise anybody to see you tour Grossmanto's in there

432
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 1: in that conversation in that range J J. E. Panessa,

433
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: especially with with how things have have shaken out with

434
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: evaluators and trying to get the buzz and just having

435
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: limited opportunity to get a better feel for this class

436
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: with that in person uh communication. So I also had

437
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 1: Calavan Jason on there as my one of my risky players.

438
00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 1: I know, he had the season in kN injury right

439
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: beginning ofen and and you know, perhaps that's part of

440
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: the reason why we didn't see some of that, uh

441
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: that full potential realized in his final season at l

442
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: s U, but enough to perhaps make him a first rounder. Um. Look,

443
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 1: Jordan's love is is the other is the other one?

444
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: To me? You know, I think, um, we end up

445
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: having a quarterback like this in every year. But how

446
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: many of us sat here, you know, what was it

447
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 1: three years ago and said that Patrick Mahomes what a

448
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: risky pick, right, you know, high floor or low ceiling.

449
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: You know, gosh, she could throw for for forty touchdowns

450
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: but could have twenty five interceptions. You know that kind

451
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: of thing. Oh, the Brett Farve, you know, how do

452
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: you tame it? There's a little bit of that with

453
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: Jordan's Love And I think that's actually a compliment. Um.

454
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: I think it just it speaks to his ability and

455
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 1: and you know, for evaluators to recognize that ability and

456
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: potential and get enamored with it and think that, you know,

457
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: we can figure out how to rein him in. We

458
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: can figure out how to limit the interceptions that led

459
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: FBS last year. Um, you know, and we can You're out.

460
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: You know why he struggled learning a new system or

461
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: dealing with the lack of um of playmakers that they

462
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: had there because of all the departure from the year before. Um,

463
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: how do we best surround him and make him better?

464
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: I feel like it's easy to fall in love with

465
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: Jordan no pun intended. Um, But I don't think that

466
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: it's without risk. And I think that's that's that way

467
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: for a lot of quarterbacks. It's gotta be it's gotta

468
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: be the right system, gotta be the right fit. Yeah.

469
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: This is something that I learned from uh Man, one

470
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: of the guys that I worked for for a long time,

471
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: and he said that you have to grade the flashes,

472
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: because if a guy flashes the talent, he certainly can

473
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: reproduce it. However, and Jordan Love's case, I think it's

474
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: very very important that the team that takes him really

475
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: study the eighteen tape in eighteen, He's completed six of

476
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: his passes, he had thirty thirty two touchdowns and only

477
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: six interceptions. And the reason why that tape study is

478
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: so important if I'm an offensive coordinator, I want to

479
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: see what he did during that year that enabled him

480
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: to have so much tests and why was it drastically

481
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: different from twenty nineteen and the great coaches and coordinators

482
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: they only asked their guys to do things that that

483
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: worked really, really well for them. Think about Nick Foles

484
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: and what Nick Foles was able to do in Philadelphia,

485
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: but he hasn't been able to do it in other

486
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: places without Doug Peterson and the like for most of

487
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: the league. And I've said this on the podcast, I

488
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: think I've said to you before eight in the league

489
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: consists of system players, meaning guys that have to be

490
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: positioned in the right system to maximize their talents. They're

491
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: only a handful of guys that are transcended players that

492
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: can pretty much do their thing in any system. Jordan's

493
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: love is a guy that the quarterinating, the coordinator, and

494
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback coach are very important because they have to

495
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: make sure that when they take him, they put him

496
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: in an environment that really plays to his strength. If

497
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: he does that, he very well could pop like Pat Mahomes.

498
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, he could be one of those guys

499
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 1: that is just a big miss that would say, Man,

500
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe someone took him so high because all

501
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: the evidence was there. There's gonna be a turner from machine,

502
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: no question. Um. I also think like you could include

503
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: and it's not the last time I'm gonna mention a

504
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: position group as a whole. But I also kind of

505
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: feel like the last offensive tackle taken in the first

506
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: round could end up being a risk, whether it's the

507
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 1: sixth or the seventh, only because you know, maybe a

508
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: team's worried, you know, about missing out on a guy

509
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Speaker 1: that they feel like they gotta take him in the

510
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: first rather than wait to the second. So maybe you're

511
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: placing some higher expectations on a guy that may not

512
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: be as deserving. But I feel like that could fall

513
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: in there as well. They definitely could fall in there.

514
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: And I think one of the names that we've talked

515
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: about on Path to the Draft has been Isaiah Wilson, uh,

516
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: the tackle from Georgia. Isaiah Wilson is a guy by

517
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: all accounts, most would say that he is a developmental

518
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: prospect based on the way that he can play compared

519
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: to his teammate Andrew Thomas. However, there's a fascination with

520
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: his size, his athleticism, and what he could be. And

521
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: even though imagination should come into the draft process, UM,

522
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: at some point you would like to see enough visual

523
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: evidence on tape to kind of back up maybe the

524
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: high grade that you give. I think for Isaiah Wilson,

525
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: I think the possibilities have outweighed, like the performance, and

526
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: because of that, I'm worried about him being a boom

527
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: or bus pick. I'm with you, and I think that's

528
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna lead us right into this next discussion. I want

529
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: to have h in on the first round and trying

530
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: to paint a better picture of how we see it

531
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: playing out by kind of looking at a couple of

532
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: the deepest position groups, UH in this first round, and

533
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: and offensive tackle is is the one. I mean like,

534
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: we could see more tackles go in this first round

535
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: than any other position in this draft. In fact, I

536
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: almost expect it, Um, So I'm curious to see right now.

537
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: We'll do it with tackles, We'll do it with receivers

538
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: and with cornerbacks as well, because I think we have

539
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: a chance to see, you know, five six, at least

540
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: four of each of those position groups go off. Um, hey,

541
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: maybe maybe seven tackles. So that's where we'll start. What

542
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: how many ultimately offensive tackles considering the depth and the

543
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: quality of this class, But do you think go off

544
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: in the first round. I think we have seven offensive

545
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: tackles at a minimum go in the first round. Uh.

546
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: And part of this red is because we've talked about

547
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: the depth of the draft. Um, I think because everyone

548
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: is afraid of missing because of the different circumstances, I

549
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: think they're going to find comfort and safety and hey,

550
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: at least I know that this guy is going to

551
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: be a solid starter, even if he has some flaws.

552
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And when we've talked about the offensive tackles, like we

553
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: talked about the Big four over and over, Jedrick Wills,

554
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: Tristan Worse, McKay, Beckton, Andrew Thomas, like whatever order you

555
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: have those in, we know those. Yeah, So five, six,

556
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: and seven, you talk about Joshua Jones, Austin Jackson, Ezric Cleveland,

557
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna throw Isaiah Wilson in and those

558
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: last four guys. There are things that you like about

559
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: each of them. Austin Jackson is extremely talented, probably one

560
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: of the most, if not the most natural left tackle

561
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: prospect in the class. Joshua Jones is to riff again

562
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: pass pro We saw his feet. People soured on him

563
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: a little bit based on the combined performance, but when

564
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: we saw him at the Senior Bowl, look, he was fantastic.

565
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: Um as were Cleveland played most of his final season

566
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: at Boise with a turf toe, and so when you

567
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: see the early tape, you really like what he does.

568
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: He's able to move around, he's his own based blocker,

569
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: he can protect and all those things. And then Isaiah Wilson,

570
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: who we just talked about, checks off all the boxes

571
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: from a physical stupid standpoint, but you just haven't seen

572
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: the production. If you wait that position and you weigh

573
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: the pros and cons of maybe even missing a little

574
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: bit on a tackle, it may outweigh the risk of

575
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: taking another position like an edge rusher, where we know

576
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: how many of those dominant guys are there at the

577
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. With cornerbacks, there are a

578
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: ton of cornerbacks that can play. But man, when you

579
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: think about the pivotal positions and building a team quarterback,

580
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, pass rusher, corner, Like if I'm going to fail,

581
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: at least fail with one of those marquee spots, because

582
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: it says that at least I was trying to build

583
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: a team the right way. Okay, So if we're giving Beckton, Worth's,

584
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: Wills and Thomas surefire first round selections, Austin Jackson definite

585
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: first rounder to you, I think I think Austin Jackson

586
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: is a definite first rounder. I think Joshua Jones and

587
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Ezra Cleveland are right on the border. I think more

588
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: teams than I will have them in. And then the

589
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: last one will be Isaiah Wilson. Isaiah Wilson is kind

590
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: of like the wild card of the class. But right

591
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: there you have eight, So I'll take my chance, Like

592
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: oh NBA basketball, like three to make two, um, give

593
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: me eight to make seven, right when it comes to

594
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: the first round, first round picks, and and I think

595
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: that's um, you know, as we try to project the

596
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: first round, you know, all right, so let's say there's

597
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: seven or eight tackles, like we're gonna get one less

598
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: of a different position to me, you know, like defensive tackle,

599
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: could be you know, like, does Ross Blacklock fall out

600
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: of the first round because we get an eighth tackle?

601
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: Like that's part of the conversation. Does the running back

602
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: position fall out entirely because of the tackles? Those are

603
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: the decisions I was having to make when I was

604
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: filling out my mock. Um, and I ended up having

605
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: ezrare Cleveland in there. I think I only ended up

606
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: with six tackles, but um, you know, and I put

607
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson in there. I just did the buzz that

608
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: you guys have been talking about that's been building about him.

609
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Felt like a nice Seattle seahawk to me, big powerful

610
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: dude over there on the right side to fit up

611
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: with those those big fellows that they've been, um, that

612
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: they've been you know, corralling and bringing in up there.

613
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: That that kind of made sense to me. But um,

614
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, this will be one of

615
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: the best offensive tackle classes we've seen in a long time.

616
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: If we get six, seven or eight. Um, could be

617
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: some quality guys up there at the top of the

618
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: second as well. So you mentioned cornerback, um, you know,

619
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: as one of the marquee positions certainly today in in

620
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: the passing times that we live in. Outside of the

621
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: first two, it gets pretty interesting and the opinions are

622
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: kind of all over the board. So ultimately set to

623
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: tape for us with how many corners you expect to

624
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: see on night one? Well, so the the interesting thing

625
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: about the cornerback classes, Jeffrey Coot and C. J. Henderson

626
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: are not you above the others in the class, Like, uh,

627
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: most will rate those guys top ten, top twelve picks,

628
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: like they should hear their names called by the by

629
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: the by the by the time we get to the wealth,

630
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: they both guys could be and probably should be gone.

631
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: Then you get into this tier two class where you

632
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: have A. J. Turrell, you have Christian Fuld, and you

633
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: have Trell, Javon Digs, you have Jalen Johnson. You also

634
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: have Jeff Gladney that has been in the conversation, and

635
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to sort these guys out. Um, the guys

636
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: that I believe for sure are in the first round.

637
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: I believe A J. Turrell is a lot to be

638
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 1: in the first round. Um, I think Fulton is in

639
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that conversation and Johnson. I think Christian Fulton is going

640
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: to work his way. I know people are worried about

641
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: the confidence and maybe in big games like he didn't

642
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: necessarily display it. But then, man, when you watch him

643
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: play like there's a lot to like about him, and

644
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 1: he's right on the fringe in the twenties, Um, I

645
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: think the guys who could Trayvon Diggs because there are

646
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: people that worry about his speed and his explosiveness, and

647
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: he has built a little bit like a Richard Sherman

648
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: type prospect in terms of he's long, he's ranging. He

649
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: definitely could play in that Seattle Seahawks hybrid covered three

650
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: scheme where length is very coveted on the outside. So

651
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: I think his speed could maybe not make him kind

652
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of like the flavor of the day for everybody. And

653
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: then Jeff Gladney, I think some people are a little

654
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: higher on him than I am. He's a boundary corner

655
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: and I think he's a solid player. But when I

656
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: saw him, I saw him as a guy that was

657
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: maybe a solid starter, not necessarily a difference maker. And

658
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: he's tough, he's competitive, he's feisty, he'll tackle, but he

659
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: plays boundary corner and sometimes they roll them up a lot.

660
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: Many they play the safety over top and so he's

661
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: able to be a little aggressive because he has help. Um,

662
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm just literally on giving him a pure first round

663
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: grade because I just don't know, man, I just don't

664
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: know if his his game warrants. Hey, you know what,

665
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna come and he's gonna be an immediate impact layer,

666
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: a day one starter. Yeah, and so you think four

667
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: or five corners. I had Treyvon Digs going off the

668
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: board with the very last pick of the first round

669
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: to the Kansas City Chiefs. Um. I thought that made

670
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: some sense. And then uh, Jalen Johnson a J. Terrell

671
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: were in my first round, did not have Gladney, obviously

672
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: had Henderson and Okuda. Um, but where Okuda ends up

673
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: could be, you know, largely determined by what the trades

674
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: that we see in the first round end up being.

675
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: You know, whether the Lions get out of the three spot,

676
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: then does Occuda fall from you know, a potential spot

677
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: there at three? Down to seven with the Panthers, Uh,

678
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: down to nine with the Ji. I think he'd be

679
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: a slam dunk with the Jaguars there at nine after

680
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: getting rid of Ramsey and boy A, Yeah, I think

681
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I think so. I think the big conversation with the

682
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Kuda is there's so much to about Akuda. To me, Um,

683
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: the only reason I brought up to the Reil rivers

684
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 1: Um comparison is not necessarily because of the ball skills,

685
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: but because of the overall consistency in his game. Um.

686
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: There are some guys that when you look at Um,

687
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: you just say, man, this guy never puts himself in

688
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: a position where he can get beat. He may not

689
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: be like the high end turnover machine or the guy

690
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: that kind of delivers these game changing plays, but when

691
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: you line them up out there, you know, each day,

692
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a good day's work, I'm gonna get

693
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: solid performers, I'm not gonna get many mess ups. And

694
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: the teams that uh went on his side, the players

695
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: that they're gonna have to earn it, and I think

696
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: there's comfort to that. I think the reason why the

697
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: debate is so split between he and C. J. Henderson.

698
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: C J. Henderson has more sizzle, splash pozzas to his game.

699
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: You see him blitz off the edge, you see him

700
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: make these uh PPUs where he gets his hands on

701
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: the ball. He just appears to be more active. He

702
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: can play off and does a great job of shadowing

703
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: guys from off and so, uh, there are a lot

704
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: of dB coaches that kind of like that, Hey, we

705
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: can set this guy if we can use some of

706
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: our zone stuff and he can make plays. Uh. The

707
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: big thing with the Kuda and Henderson just making sure

708
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: they go to the rice game. But I think both

709
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: of these guys are terrific on their own, right. Yeah. Um.

710
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned u Okuda as a as as maybe a

711
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 1: sure fire pick there for the Jaguars if he's available whatnot.

712
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: And I think I ended up giving the Jags a

713
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: pick with their second first rounder, and I think it

714
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: was Jalen Johnson out of Utah. Obviously dealt with the

715
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: shoulder had the shoulder surgery that maybe teams are kind

716
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: of working through as well. But plenty of talent um

717
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: that we've seen. They're really really like really really feisty.

718
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: Is funny. Um. Prior to the comment, I did not

719
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: know about the injury, and so they were there were

720
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: times that I was worried when I'm looking at the

721
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: tim like, man, this dude does not throw his body

722
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: up in there to make tackles and whatever. And for

723
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: someone who is so competitive on the outside, it was

724
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: startling to see him not necessarily engaged in the tackling.

725
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: And so then when you talk to scouts there like

726
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: hey he had a either a torn labor when he

727
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: has something that was affecting the shoulder protect yeah, he

728
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: did in the gaze and the fact that you now

729
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: go back and be like, wow, this dude played an

730
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: entire season with that, Like, um, that's a real tough

731
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: guy that can kind of endure and overcome that. So

732
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: he is a prospect that a lot of people like

733
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: and read. I've said this like once you get past um.

734
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: I had to do a piece today that where I'm

735
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: projecting all pros and Pro Bowlers from this draft. And

736
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: the thing that is different we talked about the depth

737
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: of this class. I only had fifteen what I would

738
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: call blue chip players, like players that I felt like

739
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: in any draft, these guys would be first rounders or whatever.

740
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: But in saying that picks fifteen to forty, there are

741
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that have similar grades. And because

742
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: every draft board is a snowflake, we're going to have

743
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: some surprises. Happened on Night one of the draft because

744
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: guys that we say, hey, he's the second round pick,

745
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: he may go on it for from that's the kind

746
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: of stuff we love. Give me the k Hans, give

747
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: me the mayhem on night one. Let's let's have some

748
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: fun with this thing. And it is that out? Is

749
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: that the latest edition of the notebook or is that

750
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's just a different piece. Just kind of

751
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: like um, Jo Brandon DJ have their top one fifty

752
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. My way of doing is kind of bring

753
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: it up in sectors and then talk about the red

754
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: star players like in the class. Okay, I got you,

755
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: um all right, So that's look at the cornerback class.

756
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: We talked about when we've talked at length here about

757
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: the top receivers in this class, and we certainly expect

758
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: three probably sure thing to get Justin Jefferson and four

759
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this draft. Do we get five or six,

760
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: Bucky and you know, like like there could be five

761
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: or six guys that are deserving to be first rounders,

762
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: But we've talked about how many receivers are here. I

763
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: do wonder when we get to the twenties and you're

764
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: a team and you're kind of looking at the board

765
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: and depending on what your knees are, say there's an

766
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, they're staring you in the face. Well, you know,

767
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: I can get this offensive tackle there. And there's so

768
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: many wide receivers, I can come back in the second

769
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: round and get the guy that I want. And with

770
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: the success us that we've seen these second round the

771
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: third round receivers have h P. J. Brown, Terry mclauren,

772
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: Um Deebo, Samuel's Uh, there're more guys that are like

773
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: man I can I can find a legitimate guy in

774
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: the second round. So maybe I can expand my first

775
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: round resources on another position, maybe one of those big

776
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: four positions that we talked about quarterback, left tackle, pass rusher,

777
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: and corner. And so I think we may only see

778
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: four wide receivers in the first round, and I think

779
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that would be right

780
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: on the fringes. And those fringe players could be a T. Higgins,

781
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: Brandon I yuk Um, guys like that. Jalen Reagor could

782
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: be on the fringes that comes out of nowhere and

783
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: ends up as a as a first round pick. Um

784
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: those other guys that I begin to see. Denz m

785
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: M's name has kind of been thrown around the first

786
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: round pick. Labisco chanal for forever was was was that

787
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: into the injuries and then the workout kind of sent

788
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: them on a tumble. But they're a number of players

789
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: that are right on that borderline of first, second round

790
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: that they can play and we expect to make an impact.

791
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: Teams just may kind of save their chips and wait, yeah,

792
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: I I I'm with you on that. Like, you know,

793
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: part of the conversation has to be, all right, do

794
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: we take the fifth wide receiver when the window on

795
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: the elite offensive tackles is closing and you know, and

796
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: there's a drop off from a bigger drop off from

797
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: the seventh tackle to the eighth tackle or the eighth

798
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: to the ninth than there is from the fifth to

799
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: the sixth receiver. And that's gotta be I mean, that's

800
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: that's gotta be a conversation because that's how you stack

801
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: your board, right, that is absolutely how you stack your board.

802
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: And that has to be a really, really, a really

803
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: good conversation. It has to be one of those jump

804
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: off points. And when we do cluster buster all path

805
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: to the draft, we typically do it with the same position.

806
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: The true cluster buster would be to take Okay, so

807
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: here we have at offensive tackle, we have Joshua Jones,

808
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson as a leveland at why receiver, we have

809
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: Tee Higgins, Brandon nyuk Um sitting there. If all five

810
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: guys are there, how we rank them in order and

811
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: go from one to five with just that cluster of

812
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: similarly graded guys, and then that ultimately determines how you

813
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: as a team proceed when it comes to making the

814
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: pick on draft A. Hey, Brandon ayuk is a better

815
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: player than Joshua Jones, we feel like we don't get

816
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: more bang for the buck because he's an upgrade over

817
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: what we currently have. So let's hand the card in.

818
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: You know, if your need is more pressing at offensive tackle,

819
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: then obviously that deck will be shuffled a little differently

820
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: based on the immediate impact. But there are a lot

821
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: of similar graded guys at different positions, and that overall

822
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: cluster buster is gonna be fascinating to see how people

823
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: decide and determine which guys to go. Yep, I'm with you,

824
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: and that that's gonna be really fine. I mean, the

825
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: thirty two is always a bit of a crap shoot, right,

826
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: It's always tough to really project how that's gonna fall

827
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: based on what we've seen in the first nineteen picks UM,

828
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: so that that last third of the first round is

829
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: usually uh, pretty crazy. We also see teams kind of

830
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: flying back into the back end of the first round

831
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: that are you know, or or teams that maybe didn't

832
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: have a first round pick that are trying to get

833
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: in to get their guy. You know that that kind

834
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: of stuff really really fires fires things up in that

835
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: final ten eleven, twelve picks. So it's really tough and

836
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: this year, maybe more than any UM could be really

837
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: wild to see what it ends up happening, and so

838
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: many different names being considered for those final ten picks.

839
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: So buck with that man. That's that's about it for

840
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: this episode. Any final thoughts or or a final prediction

841
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 1: that you want to get out there about this year's

842
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: this year's draft of first round in particular, No, Look,

843
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a fascinating study. I think

844
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a fascinating study in how scalts gore

845
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: about their business. And I also believe that dis draft

846
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: could be a tipping point for a different direction in

847
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: terms of the way the scouting community goes about If

848
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: a wait in the process. If teams are able to

849
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: feel really good about their draft and see kind of

850
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: the fruits of their labor play out on the field

851
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: this fall, I do wonder if we will see more

852
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: teams kind of abandoned the pro game, the Pro day circuit, uh,

853
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: leave some of the combine stuff out of it, and

854
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: really just kind of make the evaluations based off of

855
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: the film, what they saw in the fall, what they

856
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: saw at All Star Games, and then kind of put

857
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Speaker 1: their pencils down because they haven't had the opportunity to

858
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: lean on the athleticism stuff and the numbers, and that

859
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Speaker 1: has made it probably one of the purest processes that

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00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: we've seen in sometime. Uh, you know what, I skipped one,

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00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: skipped one thing that we wanted to get into this

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Speaker 1: last This will be our final thought, give me a

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00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: surprise first rounder. You mentioned Jalen Reagor as a guy

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00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: who could jump into that first round conversation. Anybody else

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00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: that we haven't talked about that you know, we're kind

866
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: of pegging right now, is a Day two kind of guy.

867
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: But hey, maybe a team really falls in love and

868
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: could you up been there? You know, it's funny because

869
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson would normally be Um the guy to the

870
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: thrown in, because he wasn't necessarily Um in the conversation.

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00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: I think because of the corners, I'm going to go

872
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: out on a limb and I'm gonna talk about like

873
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: the love that we've heard so much for Jeff Gladnie,

874
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: like that has to be coming from a real place.

875
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: We've heard too many people talk about him being a

876
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: first round pick that comes from someone talk and that

877
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: really loves him and endorse him as a pick. I'm

878
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, because the corners are so closely grouped together,

879
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: he could be a surprise first round pick. And he's

880
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: a surprise because two weeks ago there wasn't any conversation

881
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: about the TCU stand up being the first round pick.

882
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: How About how about the possibility of two TCU horned

883
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: frogs in the first round with Claudie and Ringlor. That'd

884
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: be something. Um. So I think I'm not gonna say

885
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: that it's a shock. I'm not gonna say that I'm

886
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: expecting this, that that a that this person or group

887
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: could sneak into the first round, But I will say

888
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: that I would be shocked if we get a first

889
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: round tight end. That's that that would surprise me. That

890
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: was surprised. I know there's been some conversation about co

891
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: commit um being up there and when I like him, like,

892
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a big body playmaker. I don't necessarily

893
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: view him as a game changing talent. I think he's good,

894
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: not necessarily great, but he does have some appeal as

895
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: a red zone weapon and for a team in need

896
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: of a tight end, i e. The New England Patriots,

897
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: maybe just maybe he kind of is the guy that

898
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: they kind of link up to, especially if they're not.

899
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: There's not someone that didn't necessarily like you know, yeah, yeah,

900
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Remember the Patriots got Rob Gronkowski in

901
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: the second round, uh, and he didn't play his final

902
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: season in Arizona. I think the most remarkable thing is

903
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski did not play his final year at Arizona

904
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: is uh overall and becomes arguably the greatest tight end

905
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: to ever play the game. You talk about risk reward, man,

906
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: that was that was that. That's the definition of safe

907
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: slash risky pick and certainly paid off. Bill Belichick as

908
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: usually do it all before everybody else. So look, that's

909
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: gonna do it for this our final preview episode here

910
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: on Move the Sticks, but just a heads up for you. UM,

911
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: so you're gonna see Bucky on our draft kickoff shows

912
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday. That's really exciting. UM, excited to

913
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: watch you with Colleen and the crew getting us ready

914
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: for days one and two. And then also you'll, like Bucky,

915
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna hang out with me after the draft as well,

916
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: right at least on night one with some of the

917
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: digital postgame shows that we're gonna do. I guess oh wait, wait, wait,

918
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: waking the news to me. Yeah, I guess we're gonna

919
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: do with some of the digital post games stuff. Uh

920
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: on what is it on Thursday, Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday,

921
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Friday night. And then um, we've we've were definitely gonna

922
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 1: do a Move the Sticks wrap up show on Thursday

923
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: after the first round. So definitely absolutely. I I don't know,

924
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: I may have I may have broken inaccurate news to you,

925
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: but well that's cool. I got it on my schedule.

926
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: I got I just give you a hard time. So

927
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of fun stuff still to come,

928
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: even though this is our final preview episode. UM, looking

929
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: forward to that. By the way, if you're still looking

930
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: for your Draft fixed Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow too, Tungle Viloa,

931
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: the three sixty series. They're all out right now on

932
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts or your favorite podcast app. You can also

933
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: get them NFL dot com, slash MTS video for some

934
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: of those video components. Uh, let's see, we got the

935
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: Movie Sticks video show coming out on the twenty three

936
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: newne Eastern on NFL dot com and YouTube, And of

937
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: course check us out tonight Path to the Draft Tuesday

938
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: and Wednesday our final preview episodes Path of the Draft

939
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: a p m. Eastern time. Um and we'll also have

940
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: a Move the Stix recap show on day two. I

941
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: think lanzer Line is going to join us for that.

942
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: Um so a lot of fun stuff still to come here.

943
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: I hope you guys all enjoy the Draft, You've enjoyed

944
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: the content, and uh be sure to check out more

945
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube, YouTube, dot com, slash NFL podcasts for

946
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks sign right, Lewis, thanks so much for hanging

947
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: out with us and listening to Move the Sticks presented

948
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: by FedEx, a team to to what you don't have

949
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: to go to att