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Speaker 1: this week's twenty twenty NFL Draft. It's just two days away,
Speaker 1: and it's crazy to think that we are just over
Speaker 1: I guess under seventy two hours away from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: It's been a long journey, it's been an odd journey,
Speaker 1: but we are just about to that point. Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: here alongside Jeff Kavanaugh, the great David Hellman, and also
Speaker 1: the incredible Kevin kat Turner down in the bottom corner,
Speaker 1: and so glad you're with us. Hope you're still saying
Speaker 1: staying safe out there, and guys overall, this is just
Speaker 1: kind of crazy to think that we're you're finally leading
Speaker 1: into that elusive day and really weekend of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: But the realists, it really is just right around the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried to watching wrestling last night, so I was
Speaker 1: looking for anybody, and it was weird man kind of wrestling.
Speaker 1: They're like in the end, right, yeah, they're in the
Speaker 1: empty arena and for awkward real touttoos driving. So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get some sports. Yeah yeah, I meant sporting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean sport. And this is what we got. We
Speaker 1: got a mapel grow other than the week before the
Speaker 1: season starts. This is like the best of Stars. Don't
Speaker 1: care like the draft on its real draft. Yeah, let's draft.
Speaker 1: I saw a YouTube video of two bears in the
Speaker 1: street getting after it, and it was like Tristan Worth's
Speaker 1: is taken on calevan Chase on. In my mind, I
Speaker 1: was just creating all these like football references. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's get this thing going. Dude. I saw
Speaker 1: that video and Bear number one, who was really you know,
Speaker 1: trying to make this thing happen. Beair number two was
Speaker 1: like backpedaling, but they were both doing the like I
Speaker 1: will fight you, but Bare number two with backpedaling like no,
Speaker 1: we don't have food, bro. But when Bear one finally
Speaker 1: went to it, Bear two man handled Bear one despite
Speaker 1: trying to tell a row we don't have to do this.
Speaker 1: See he stayed low with the line of scrimmage. He
Speaker 1: was able to get good leverage underneath and then able
Speaker 1: to drive back with a strong lower body. That was
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. I think that was kind of the
Speaker 1: takeaway that we took out of that tape session. However,
Speaker 1: there's still plenty to get to around just draft buzz
Speaker 1: in general. Of course, we will have Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty coming up in just a little bit. I will
Speaker 1: also tell you that Kat has a strategy that's gonna
Speaker 1: make the Cowboys a Super Bowl contender. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about that coming up in the third segments. So you
Speaker 1: don't want to go around anywhere for that. But let's
Speaker 1: get to some of these draft buzz points overall, just
Speaker 1: kind of leading in to this final week, in this
Speaker 1: final lead up to the draft, and I've got a
Speaker 1: couple points here. I kind of want to just roundtable
Speaker 1: with you guys, and we're gonna start things off with
Speaker 1: kind of the technology, and of course we've talked about
Speaker 1: the draft beating virtual this season, We've talked about the
Speaker 1: overall kind of issues that could arise, and then they
Speaker 1: had the mock draft there yesterday or the day before,
Speaker 1: and in that mock draft there was issues with the
Speaker 1: first overall pick. The Bengals at the first overall pick
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a hiccup. They did not
Speaker 1: get their pick off in two and a half minutes
Speaker 1: of a delay. There was that hiccup there, but after
Speaker 1: that it seemingly went smooth. According to John Elway, who
Speaker 1: was a part of the whole organization, it was a
Speaker 1: mock draft that was scheduled out between the thirty two
Speaker 1: teams and even included the Cowboys in the script, trading
Speaker 1: up to the number one overall pick, where they took
Speaker 1: offensive tackle Trey Adams out of Washington with the first
Speaker 1: overall pick. So there was some Cowboys fun with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they took Trey Adams, but it was a
Speaker 1: scripted thing that way. It wasn't Joe Burrow, but just
Speaker 1: kind of funny overall. But it kind of just leads
Speaker 1: to that worry overall of the fact that we don't
Speaker 1: really know how things are gonna go whenever Thursday rolls around.
Speaker 1: Yeah we do, Kyle, it's gonna be a trade. Rick
Speaker 1: and I just made it. Oh man, I think not immediately.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it'll be your favorite team.
Speaker 1: I don't know whose team it'll be but absolutely we
Speaker 1: will have the a lot of time for a pick
Speaker 1: and it will go over that in the first round
Speaker 1: at least four or five pounds, whether it's working out
Speaker 1: of trade, because what I saw was that the owners
Speaker 1: the gym for blaming bandwid for what went wrong. That's
Speaker 1: what you blame. If you don't know what went wrong,
Speaker 1: you get bandwidth is not the problem. There was not
Speaker 1: a bandwidth. There was the problem with somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: there was a problem with a mute button that somebody
Speaker 1: didn't hit. There was it's gonna be a trademar and
Speaker 1: I can't wait your time. Thirty thirty front offices. You
Speaker 1: know you've seen the Cowboys War Run. You know you
Speaker 1: watching the Cowboys War Front. You've ever watched it? Somewhere
Speaker 1: eighteen somewhere between. All of them separated, you know, because
Speaker 1: of COVID restrictions, none of them having you know, in
Speaker 1: person access to their IT departments, and the vast majority
Speaker 1: of these people do not know how technology works as
Speaker 1: well as you would prefer. If it goes off without
Speaker 1: a hitch, I will be shocked. Like if it goes
Speaker 1: off without a hitch, that'll be one of the most
Speaker 1: impressive things the NFL has ever pulled off. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hilarious. It's hilarious. Well, I think another
Speaker 1: thing that they have to contend with is that the
Speaker 1: draft historically has been a made for TV event. So
Speaker 1: what you see is they have it kind of scheduled
Speaker 1: out with their commercial breaks and things like that. So
Speaker 1: you have ten minutes to make a pick, but if
Speaker 1: we need to catch up on spot time, we need
Speaker 1: to make this a four hour night one, which they
Speaker 1: normally do, or three and a half hour night one.
Speaker 1: Then the commissioner can put on the brakes and then
Speaker 1: we'll announce the pick after commercial. If you're doing this
Speaker 1: like everyone does our fantasy football draft, and we're just
Speaker 1: moving on the next pick, then it should move faster,
Speaker 1: and the NFL is going to take their proper steps
Speaker 1: to make it move a little slower to work at
Speaker 1: their pace. So there's a lot going on with that
Speaker 1: as well, with some teams going, wait, I had fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes to make a pick, or I only had five
Speaker 1: minutes to get my pick in because the way it
Speaker 1: was all it all worked out, and it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be really, really awkward. It's gonna be really bad. And
Speaker 1: another thing is too and I mean no disrespect, you
Speaker 1: do start asking for a lot of problems when you
Speaker 1: start putting really old people in charge of technology. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the kids are doing on TikTok. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm just as guilty, but you really do start
Speaker 1: asking for problems when when you're saying, hey, older person,
Speaker 1: handle the Internet. Okay, okay, boomer looker, it does present
Speaker 1: a problem. And you will probably see some of the
Speaker 1: IT professionals at least involved. I don't know if they'll
Speaker 1: be directly in the house the entire time, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure they'll have kind of an emergency contingency plan going
Speaker 1: into it. I feel like you have to have a
Speaker 1: safety net should some of those issues arise. But moving
Speaker 1: on to some of the players and some of the
Speaker 1: rumors that are circling some of the selections that could
Speaker 1: come early in this draft. Let's start with Jeffrey Okuda,
Speaker 1: one of our favorites out of Ohio State. The cornerback
Speaker 1: top on the board, I believe across the board here
Speaker 1: for the draft show in terms of the top corner
Speaker 1: on the board, and it's really not a competition. However,
Speaker 1: there's some rumors that he may slide back a little bit,
Speaker 1: and corner may not be as early of a draft
Speaker 1: need as teams may have thought originally, or as media
Speaker 1: may have thought originally. If he ends up sliding back,
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying he would slide back to seventeen,
Speaker 1: or at least within range of seventeen. But is it
Speaker 1: a possibility that that maybe push C. J. Henderson to seventeen?
Speaker 1: Maybe a Christian Fulton there maybe a little bit further
Speaker 1: back if you wanted to trade back a little bit.
Speaker 1: What does this do as a domino effect with a
Speaker 1: cornerback position. I think that's where these rumors are great.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think you're still putting money
Speaker 1: on it, and I still think you think Okuda goes
Speaker 1: at number three if that pick doesn't get traded, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that that does happen. But
Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting, and it's first of all,
Speaker 1: it's like disclaimer, it is smoke screen sison like yet
Speaker 1: to remember that, right. But the Derek Brown, the Derek
Speaker 1: Brown to the Lions rumors that popped up out of
Speaker 1: nowhere yesterday are very interesting. I always kind of thought
Speaker 1: they might keep it quiet on Isaiah Simmons that they
Speaker 1: would like him and maybe try to keep that down.
Speaker 1: So if Okuda does go back though the next landing spot,
Speaker 1: you kind of look around. It's like, okay, if you
Speaker 1: get past the quarterback teams, the Chargers and the and
Speaker 1: the Dolphins at five and six, maybe the Cardinals are eight,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville at nine, Like, you get a couple of teams
Speaker 1: who would make sense and take a corner back, and
Speaker 1: maybe that does push someone back back to you a
Speaker 1: little bit. No, I god, why nobody's good at mock
Speaker 1: drafts because what we do and I do too, So
Speaker 1: I'm talking to me you uh like, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: what you get the best player and find the best
Speaker 1: value in the draft, but then we'll mock every other
Speaker 1: team to pick their biggest need instead of necessarily picking
Speaker 1: the best player where it's like, well Henderson, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he goes nine because they need a corner or maybe,
Speaker 1: and that's the way that we do it. And then
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna break the whole thing by just picking their
Speaker 1: best player even though it's not their biggest position in
Speaker 1: need and ruin everybody's buck draft. So I really don't know,
Speaker 1: And that's the fun of it. That's I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I mean, who's the type of player, Like, even if
Speaker 1: he slides, I can't imagine him having a crazy slide
Speaker 1: because at some point somebody's gonna say the best corner
Speaker 1: in the draft is sitting here at pick eight, Like,
Speaker 1: of course we're gonna take him. Who cares what we need?
Speaker 1: Like that's how that works. So I don't think I
Speaker 1: see it. And I mean I've been suspecting for a
Speaker 1: while that CJ. Henderson is going to go higher than
Speaker 1: a lot of us initially thought. And I know you
Speaker 1: can't trust draft week rumors completely, but you know, the
Speaker 1: buzz seems to indicate that that's a total possibility. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of chatter about Atlanta wanting to trade up
Speaker 1: they could use a cornerback. Talked about Jackson Bill drafting CJ.
Speaker 1: Henderson at ninth overall, and you know, Jeff Okuda could
Speaker 1: slide to seven or eight and then CJ. Henderson goes
Speaker 1: nine or ten, Like that wouldn't shock me even slightly.
Speaker 1: I definitely think he's talented enough to be picked that highly.
Speaker 1: You hit somebody who likes him well, also kind of
Speaker 1: going off of that a little bit, there's the dangling
Speaker 1: of picks kind of going on. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you've got the Giants at four that are saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got some prime spot, some prime real estate right here.
Speaker 1: I know the Lions are just ahead of us, but
Speaker 1: we still got a pretty good spot here if you
Speaker 1: wanted to trade up and see what we could do there.
Speaker 1: So I mean, even if he gets past three and
Speaker 1: then you move on the later parts of the draft,
Speaker 1: which I think he will get past the third overall pick,
Speaker 1: because I don't expect maybe the Lions to sit there
Speaker 1: and select. But then you've also got teams like the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers who could potentially trade the thirteenth pick.
Speaker 1: I know, like you said, Atlanta has a chance to
Speaker 1: be a suitor the Cowboys, are they interested? Depending on
Speaker 1: who falls, it would be kind of a tough sell
Speaker 1: to me. But at least there's those conversations being had
Speaker 1: between these teams about these picks early in the draft
Speaker 1: and kind of dangling them out there. Any of them
Speaker 1: kind of surprise you or at least pique your interest
Speaker 1: a little bit. Can we talk about the laziest smoke
Speaker 1: screen in the history of the World that came out yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm still laughing about Justin Herbert. The Giants are doing
Speaker 1: homework on Justin Herbert. Be my guest, y'all. If you
Speaker 1: want to have three top ten picks in the last
Speaker 1: three years and spend them on a running back and
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that nobody's sold on, you go right ahead.
Speaker 1: But if you expect me to believe that you're talking
Speaker 1: to Justin Herbert because you're actually going to draft him,
Speaker 1: you're stupid. Or if you actually draft him, you're even
Speaker 1: stupider than that. So have all the fun in the world, Giants.
Speaker 1: I hope it works for you. I hope somebody comes
Speaker 1: to get your pick, but I doubt they will because
Speaker 1: nobody actually believes you would do that. What's a dumb rumor,
Speaker 1: because if you're the Giants, let's just pretend that they're
Speaker 1: let's pretend they're really smart, right, and so in their
Speaker 1: mind they're really smart, and so get them and sitting
Speaker 1: there and he goes, boys, you know what we gotta do.
Speaker 1: Hold on, they move my binder, talk to you, guys,
Speaker 1: but we got to do just tell people we're interested
Speaker 1: in a quarterback. That way people will want to trade
Speaker 1: with us to come get the quarterback. But then somebody
Speaker 1: smarter than him would be like, well they've actually what
Speaker 1: would happen if teams thought we were interested in that
Speaker 1: quarterback is they would jump ahead of us. So we're
Speaker 1: actually just creating even more demand for the pick in
Speaker 1: front of us, not for our pick. So we're really
Speaker 1: accomplishing nothing with this rumor. But Dave, what in the
Speaker 1: middle of that? Would what in the middle of that?
Speaker 1: Assume that the Giants were being smart though, that's the question.
Speaker 1: Maybe Gettleman is trying to help the Lions. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: trying to help you know, Patricia and uh and bab O'Quinn,
Speaker 1: you know, get something for that third overall pick. Good
Speaker 1: job day, a good team player. You know the owners
Speaker 1: are in this together. Well, think about this. Maybe they're trying.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're trying to pique the interest of a team
Speaker 1: that might have to get ahead of them to get
Speaker 1: trade with Washington at two, so that Washington goes back
Speaker 1: and doesn't have Chase Young and you're not playing against
Speaker 1: Chase Young twice a year? Is that crazy? What does
Speaker 1: that have to do with the Giant? Well, if i'm
Speaker 1: if I'm talking about a quarterback. If I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a quarterback at three and then I'm another team, I'm well,
Speaker 1: I gotta get ahead of I gotta get ahead of them,
Speaker 1: or at four, I gotta get ahead of them. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe I'm crazy, I am What do
Speaker 1: you guys think the Giants? What do you guys think
Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna do it for? Y'all think they'll
Speaker 1: go like one of the tackles, either one of the
Speaker 1: tackles or Isaiah Simmons. Yeah, tackle or Simmons would be
Speaker 1: my guests. Probably there, probably tackle. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: kind of tough to look at whenever you see it
Speaker 1: goes back to kind of what Jeff's point was at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the segment. Our team's gonna draft best
Speaker 1: player they're gonna draft need. A lot of people have
Speaker 1: offensive tackles slated to the Giants at pick number four.
Speaker 1: Best player available most likely is gonna be Isaiah Simmons
Speaker 1: at four instead, So if they do end up selecting
Speaker 1: there would be interesting. Now some of the other players
Speaker 1: that could end up going in the first part of
Speaker 1: the round. This will be the last point before we
Speaker 1: take our first break, but javon Kin Law to tungul Byloa.
Speaker 1: Of course, health concerns. We've had some a little bit
Speaker 1: with them over the course of the draft process that
Speaker 1: Naton and Ninis for ken Law the hip for TWA,
Speaker 1: that apparently both were cleared during the NFL combine. Now
Speaker 1: are they still clear? Is kind of the question going
Speaker 1: into this. Are these physicals being failed? Are these teams
Speaker 1: potentially going to let them drop a little bit more
Speaker 1: than we earlier anticipated. Do you see a drop from
Speaker 1: either one of these just because of the oddity of
Speaker 1: this draft process moving into the final league, kind of
Speaker 1: hoping for a TWA drop based on some of my
Speaker 1: activities that I did yesterday, because those rumor rooskis are
Speaker 1: getting floated around there, so I went with it. The
Speaker 1: thing about like medically cleared is it means different things
Speaker 1: to different people, Like you could have twenty three teams
Speaker 1: that said, tah, good to go, and then you could
Speaker 1: have ninither are like, we ain't touching him no matter what.
Speaker 1: So even cleared is a weird term because it's like
Speaker 1: you get the initial report that to his medicals checked out,
Speaker 1: it's clear he's ready to play, but you've probably got
Speaker 1: somewhere between five and ten or maybe five and twenty
Speaker 1: five team who are like, yeah, that's cool, he's clear
Speaker 1: to work out. That dude getting hurt. He's banged up,
Speaker 1: so you just you never know what it means for
Speaker 1: your teeth. I'm gonna put a dollarp of hand sanitizer
Speaker 1: on right now because I'm about to get my hands
Speaker 1: dirty and break off a piece of truth for you guys.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let me get a little high with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: get a little tun with you. Tuah is not just
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and that's what makes him valuable. He is
Speaker 1: a very good quarterback. And let's be honest. I think
Speaker 1: it's probably fifty fifty that we're playing less than sixteen
Speaker 1: games this year. I think there's a chance. I am
Speaker 1: not scared of drafting two because there's a chance. A.
Speaker 1: I don't have to play him at all. B I
Speaker 1: don't play him at all because there is no season.
Speaker 1: But see if it's in the best interest for the team,
Speaker 1: I can still develop him for one year. Much like
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. None of those guys
Speaker 1: played in year one. I do not have to play him,
Speaker 1: just because I drafted him. So if you're worried of it,
Speaker 1: he just got hurt. But okay, yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1: If you're but if you're worried about if you're worried
Speaker 1: about the hip, like you think it's degenerative, and he's well,
Speaker 1: then he doesn't need to be in the league. Then okay, fine,
Speaker 1: he's a good player. He draft him and he needs
Speaker 1: to go high because he's not you know, Kyle Bohler.
Speaker 1: He's not Jake Locker. He's an excellent player. He's he
Speaker 1: was not good enough. Wait but ta ta kat oh
Speaker 1: on kat, let me ask you this with Tuah. But
Speaker 1: let me get another doubt. Let me get one more doubt,
Speaker 1: and then we'll have this conversation. So the bar sun
Speaker 1: realize hand sanitizer was necessary today. Okay, So are we
Speaker 1: pretending that teams who are medically worried about Tuah are
Speaker 1: worried about this year too. They're worried about his career,
Speaker 1: they're worried about two years and hip, knee ankle. They're
Speaker 1: not worried about will he be able to play this
Speaker 1: year or will he able to renhart this year? They're
Speaker 1: worried about are we picking a franchise quarterback. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna be available bunch, not today, but forever you weigh
Speaker 1: the you weigh the risk reward of that. Isn't it
Speaker 1: worth it anyway? Yeah? Fine, I'll roll with Tyrod Taylor. Fine,
Speaker 1: you got me. If if there's not very good, he's
Speaker 1: not as good as two ah could be. If there's
Speaker 1: any chance that to uh plays like the guy that
Speaker 1: we saw at Bama when he was healthy, like you
Speaker 1: have to draft him, and I understand the concern. I
Speaker 1: get it, But if we're again quarterbacks different, everything about
Speaker 1: evaluating the position is different. If the pick hits, you
Speaker 1: transform your franchise, and that's worth the risk to me,
Speaker 1: even I totally at it, like he never he didn't
Speaker 1: like play one hundred percent of any of his college seasons.
Speaker 1: But if you even feel slightly optimistic about his medicals,
Speaker 1: you just do it. I'm not going to criticize anybody
Speaker 1: for trying to transform their franchise. You know, if you
Speaker 1: if he was a running back or really any other position,
Speaker 1: I feel a lot less secure taking that risk. But
Speaker 1: if he hits, you change your franchise. So you just
Speaker 1: roll the dice and hope for the best. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: what if you make the seventeen do it all day?
Speaker 1: Let's go well with that being said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to tea Sorry, Kyle, go ahead, Oh, go for it.
Speaker 1: I mean either way, whenever you're going into pick seventeen,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's best player available or your needs. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if a need is quarterback right now
Speaker 1: or anything. However, we do have a twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty question coming up that's going on addressed if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys could actually pull a trigger on a second day quarterback.
Speaker 1: We'll address that when we come back here in just
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Speaker 1: some twitter on the twenty. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: have a drop or not. I believe yeah, there we go,
Speaker 1: There we go. We've got we've got a drop. We've
Speaker 1: always got the drops going. Y'all want to get crazy
Speaker 1: right off the bat here? Sure? Yeah, let's get nuts
Speaker 1: right off the bat all right. Our first question, Andre
Speaker 1: McMillan comes at us, and he says, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about pulling the trigger on Jalen Hurts with our
Speaker 1: second round pick? Now, hold on for just a second.
Speaker 1: His explanation says, if he's there as an insurance policy
Speaker 1: as well as a backup quarterback, he said he's a
Speaker 1: big deck fan, but he doesn't like the idea that
Speaker 1: any player is holding a team hostage, especially if the
Speaker 1: team is trying to keep him. What do you guys say, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't second round, So I don't like the idea
Speaker 1: at fifty one, and I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: pie in the sky. But as long as we're getting
Speaker 1: crazy like the scenario that I've seen a lot of
Speaker 1: that I don't I don't mind at all. Is if
Speaker 1: if captain trade down, if Jeff gets his desired trade
Speaker 1: down in the first round, say you trade into the
Speaker 1: mid twenties at a pick, and now you're picking twice
Speaker 1: in the second round. I would draft Jalen Hurts in
Speaker 1: that scenario. I'd feel good about it too. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. But pick fifty one, I've
Speaker 1: only got you know, four picks in the first four rounds,
Speaker 1: and I got all these other needs to address. That
Speaker 1: would that would kind of bumm me out if my
Speaker 1: only second round pick was going to a backup player.
Speaker 1: That's a great point by day to realize that the
Speaker 1: only scenario that's the right scenario is trading down. I
Speaker 1: just suder saying the right scenario is it includes Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts Jeff, that's fine, you don't have to do it
Speaker 1: that way, but captain trade down must ride like this
Speaker 1: here and I ran a stimulation. It's like it's wait,
Speaker 1: here's what say it? Nay. The whole point of the
Speaker 1: Draft show is to consider like every single angle of
Speaker 1: what could happen in the draft and all the different
Speaker 1: ways it could lay out, and you just bully your
Speaker 1: way into one thing, and I just don't want your
Speaker 1: heart to get broken. Back doesn't happen. Okay, Okay, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're twenty seven. You can trade down to twenty, you
Speaker 1: can go all the way to thirty five, or you're right.
Speaker 1: There's lots of scenario and to win, that's all like
Speaker 1: you're just gonna leave the show, and I'm gonna be sad.
Speaker 1: What Well, I'm not going to leave. Okay, good bone
Speaker 1: night one. Jeff will be doing something else. Jeff will
Speaker 1: will join you on Friday and Saturday. If if you
Speaker 1: take Jalen Hurts at fifty one, what do I have
Speaker 1: like a hundred guys I have graded higher than him
Speaker 1: on my board? Oh okay, like yeah, but how many
Speaker 1: they don't get drafted? Where their value says they should. Ever,
Speaker 1: even like nobody thinks Joe, does that mean that's right though?
Speaker 1: Dave yes, absolutely yes, Because it's quarterback. It's the same
Speaker 1: conversation as too uh. If you like a quarterback drafting
Speaker 1: where you can get him. Joe Burrow is not better
Speaker 1: than Chase Young, but the Bengals would be stupid to
Speaker 1: take a defensive end over a quarterback if they think
Speaker 1: the quarterback can change their franchise. If you like Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: he won't be there past. I mean, if you only
Speaker 1: have one pick in the second round, if you pick
Speaker 1: at fifty one, he won't be there when you pick
Speaker 1: it eighty two. Very likely not, It's possible if they like, oh,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry. If they like case cookus from
Speaker 1: northern Arizona, then maybe they'll just take him. How do'ther
Speaker 1: have him in the sixth or seventh than oh, the second.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I would too. I would way
Speaker 1: rather draft a Day three guy like they did with
Speaker 1: Mike White a couple of years ago. Um, Jake Luton
Speaker 1: out of Oregon stage whoever you want. I don't care, Um,
Speaker 1: I just I'm just saying. The way quarterback works is
Speaker 1: I don't think you can count on hurts to fall
Speaker 1: to you later on because quarterbacks don't do that very often. Um,
Speaker 1: if you think and if you think like Kat does,
Speaker 1: if you think that he's a career backup, you're not
Speaker 1: using the second round picks on the period. That's a
Speaker 1: great point and kind of going off of what Dave
Speaker 1: said a little bit earlier talking about the best scenario
Speaker 1: for that to even happen is to have multiple second
Speaker 1: round picks, And it kind of leads us into the
Speaker 1: second question here on Twitter. On the twenty, Sean asked,
Speaker 1: it almost feels like a couple of picks in the
Speaker 1: second round or more valuable than pick seventeen at this
Speaker 1: specific point, you guys believe that that's the truth. If
Speaker 1: you end up picking up maybe multiple second round picks,
Speaker 1: is that something that ends up being more valuable to you?
Speaker 1: And would you end up taking one of those as
Speaker 1: a potential quarterback? I would skip the quarterback part because
Speaker 1: I agree. So for instance, this morning, I was dong
Speaker 1: and around that's what I do, a dog around on
Speaker 1: the MoGraph stimulators and just look throughout a scenario. Let's
Speaker 1: say Chason makes it the seventeen would you rather have
Speaker 1: calebon Chaison or would you rather have whoever your favorite
Speaker 1: is of Delpit or Xavier McKinney and Damon Arnett. I'm
Speaker 1: just making up a guy. I pick at fifty nine
Speaker 1: or sixty four, I'm in Yeah, so I get Our
Speaker 1: and Grant Delpit or Caleb and Chasm. Yeah, I'm probably
Speaker 1: going the probably don't give me the multiple players in
Speaker 1: that scenario. I guess the funny thing about what the
Speaker 1: question that was asked by the listener and viewer, you
Speaker 1: said the two second round picks, like what part of
Speaker 1: the second round early in the second round, late in
Speaker 1: the second round? Right, and just assume they're two second
Speaker 1: rounders in the middle. Oh, if you're trying to one
Speaker 1: do you better be getting two good second rounders because
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking more along the line to again, I
Speaker 1: just pick a team that makes this work, which would
Speaker 1: be like Seattle, and that's what you get twenty seven
Speaker 1: and fifty nine or twenty seven and then sixty four.
Speaker 1: If you're moving all the way to the second round,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do a lot better than sixty four. It's
Speaker 1: the other pick. Yeah, And I can I share a
Speaker 1: hot take with y'all share this is This is something
Speaker 1: I've noticed over several years of doing this. I do
Speaker 1: think there's always good talent between like pick thirty four
Speaker 1: and pick sixty five, Like it always seems like or
Speaker 1: you know, pick seventy five whatever, like the second and
Speaker 1: third rounds really feels like a nice sweet spot. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think we tend to fall
Speaker 1: in love with that because of the appeal of the unknown,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it picks seventeen, we've
Speaker 1: really we've narrowed this thing down pretty good. Like I
Speaker 1: think we've got about five names that we feel pretty
Speaker 1: confident would be the pick. And when you're picking a
Speaker 1: pick seventeen, a lot of people don't like all the
Speaker 1: options there. You're like, I'm not sold on Chase On
Speaker 1: or you know, I don't like Fulton or Digs or Tarrell.
Speaker 1: I would rather they don't do that. But all the
Speaker 1: way back at pick fifty one, there's about two dozen
Speaker 1: players that make sense, and we know a lot less
Speaker 1: about how the Cowboys feel, so you can talk yourself
Speaker 1: into way more options, and I don't think that's realistic
Speaker 1: because again, I think the list of players the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would actually pick is a lot shorter than the list
Speaker 1: of players that we're interested in. I think sometimes we
Speaker 1: just kind of fool ourselves into liking those later rounds
Speaker 1: later because there's more guys for us to fall in
Speaker 1: love with, even if it's not realistic. I think that's
Speaker 1: a fair point. Absolutely. I agree with Kavanaugh. Can totally
Speaker 1: sell me on Damon our Nett because I love Damon
Speaker 1: our Nett and for all we know, they might not
Speaker 1: touch them with a ten foot pull. But it's more
Speaker 1: enticing to talk about because there's more options. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's actually the exact opposite, where if
Speaker 1: you're not picking one of the guys that you have
Speaker 1: is like a no doubt first rounder and maybe they'll
Speaker 1: have at seventeen that they do have. Is that that
Speaker 1: you're just playing an odds game here, where the odds
Speaker 1: at seventeen the like who wins a trade in theory
Speaker 1: if you trade down, the answer is six times out
Speaker 1: of ten, the team that traded down win because they're
Speaker 1: getting more darks to throw at the board. Now, that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you're going to fall in that category
Speaker 1: every time. Because of the tad, it's usually about six
Speaker 1: times out of ten not nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: but trading down is the win. Trading up is the
Speaker 1: law when you're not talking about quarterbacks on average. So
Speaker 1: I think we also have a problem with falling in
Speaker 1: love with the players at pretty much any pick, to
Speaker 1: the point where we think, well, I've got these guys
Speaker 1: in the right order, and so the guy that I'm
Speaker 1: going to pick here when reality is that you've got
Speaker 1: a better chance at it if you have an extra
Speaker 1: dark well, and I also think with this draft specifically,
Speaker 1: a lot of the talent is front loaded. I mean,
Speaker 1: you talk about Chase Young and Joe Burrow and Tua
Speaker 1: and even if you wanted to throw Jeffreyokuda c J Henderson,
Speaker 1: it's those top fifteen players that gets you excited. The
Speaker 1: next fifteen don't get you that much more excited than
Speaker 1: the next forty five. Almost it almost seems like the
Speaker 1: top fifty picks as a whole, it's ten and then
Speaker 1: it's forty. Now I'm not saying that's necessarily the case.
Speaker 1: You can still separate guys like Damon Arnette and Christian Fulton,
Speaker 1: you can do something stuff like that, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, you still have to have that kind of
Speaker 1: game changing pick in the first half of the round
Speaker 1: that you may not be able to have later on.
Speaker 1: So it does that value ends up playing back and forth.
Speaker 1: And I know, at least in this draft specifically, I
Speaker 1: would feel more comfortable having multiple second round picks and
Speaker 1: trading back toward the bottom half of the first round,
Speaker 1: because then you get three solid players rather than an
Speaker 1: okay solid or an extra solid player then a solid
Speaker 1: player at fifty one. I'm still on trade down the
Speaker 1: team trade down any day. But do have a question.
Speaker 1: I know, I know I'm driving the chase on train,
Speaker 1: but if they can get out of pick seventeen, I am.
Speaker 1: I'm way on board with that, just so nobody mistakes me.
Speaker 1: So your chase on if you're at seventeen, but then
Speaker 1: you're still fine. You're still fine trading away, is what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I would be happy to draft Caleb and Jason.
Speaker 1: I would be happy to get out of the pick.
Speaker 1: I'm fine either way. But if Chason's there, I think
Speaker 1: that's a coward move. I think it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to execute trades on the clock. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: And even John always said that yesterday and his reaction
Speaker 1: with the mock draft is the fact of is the
Speaker 1: fact that trades aren't still gonna be tough overall. Okay,
Speaker 1: next question, Thomas Davis asked what player has been mocked
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys recently that you do not want for
Speaker 1: the team. A. J. Carrell. It was easy. He's my
Speaker 1: eighth cornerback and that's the name we've started hearing seventeen
Speaker 1: and our buddy Dame Brugar I said, or I saw
Speaker 1: he even said on the Twitter. To me, he was like,
Speaker 1: that's if he makes it to seventeen, he may go
Speaker 1: before that. And again, this is one of those things
Speaker 1: where my buddy Chris, he was asking me. He was like,
Speaker 1: you didn't have it was this was going back to
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, like you didn't have t J wat ahead
Speaker 1: of Taco. So I had to pull up my whole
Speaker 1: board and I was like, yeah, look ahead, he was
Speaker 1: my fifteenth best player at Taco in the sixties. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I did, like I can prove it. But then I
Speaker 1: looked at the rest of my board and I went, man,
Speaker 1: there's some there's some mighty misses here. So's we can
Speaker 1: all be wrong about we can all be wrong about this,
Speaker 1: but AJ Terrell is the guy that for me, he's
Speaker 1: a late second round guy, and talking about him at seventeen,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, thank you, but you never know. I
Speaker 1: typically watched Terrell go ahead, Kate, no go ahead. Sorry,
Speaker 1: all you babe, all you babe. I typically, I mean
Speaker 1: I watched tape in terms of like best player, it's
Speaker 1: a lesser known player. So I watched a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, like a long ass time ago. Like I
Speaker 1: watched a lot of these dudes before the combine. I
Speaker 1: definitely I hadn't looked at AJ Terrell since January or February.
Speaker 1: So I spent an hour watching him yesterday because because
Speaker 1: people have been talking about him, and like, so, I
Speaker 1: know he got picked on by LSU, so I threw
Speaker 1: that out. I know he had a rough day against
Speaker 1: North Carolina. I was like, all right, I'm even gonna
Speaker 1: throw that out. So I watched him against Texas A
Speaker 1: and M, which Climson dominated that game. But I still
Speaker 1: wasn't in love with what I saw at all, Like
Speaker 1: I couldn't come up with a reason why I thought
Speaker 1: that would make sense. So I would be I would
Speaker 1: be not very excited if that was actually the pick
Speaker 1: he misses about twenty five percent of his tackles, and
Speaker 1: while he ran a four to four two at the combine,
Speaker 1: he does not play like he runs a four to
Speaker 1: four two, and I think that's one thing you'll see.
Speaker 1: And he also gives off balance a lot. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about a j Terrell, and I think
Speaker 1: teams are gonna get suckered into the measurables and just
Speaker 1: go with it, you know. Honestly, Terrell, Fulton, Diggs, any
Speaker 1: of those guys at seventeen, and I'm going I'm just
Speaker 1: not happy about that. That's me personally, just kind of
Speaker 1: where I'm at. I know that I like Jeff Gladney
Speaker 1: more than the rest of the world. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: bothered or that. I don't know at all how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys feel about Jeff Gladney, because I wish his name
Speaker 1: was popping up a little bit more. But yeah, but Terrell,
Speaker 1: that's a good name. I don't want them to go
Speaker 1: draft a linebacker in the first round either. That would
Speaker 1: disappoint me as well. To answer the question I think
Speaker 1: this team needs to draft, I think this team needs
Speaker 1: to draft two wide receivers in this draft. Well, I
Speaker 1: think this team needs to draft two wide receivers in
Speaker 1: this draft, So if they draft one of those guys
Speaker 1: and one of the big three wide receivers are on
Speaker 1: the board, that's going to bother me. And I think overall,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in that same frame of mindset with
Speaker 1: aj Terrell, but I think I would rather lean Trayvon
Speaker 1: Digs there. I'm it's the same kind of thinking. He's
Speaker 1: a little bit further down on my board. He's seventh
Speaker 1: on my board in terms of corners, and he just
Speaker 1: kind of he had too many question marks and he
Speaker 1: kind of relied on his length a little bit more
Speaker 1: than I would like for a first round, seventeenth overall corner.
Speaker 1: But I would be I would honestly be fine with
Speaker 1: Christian Fulton. I tweeted that out this week. I'm not
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a fan of Christian Fulton overall. Now,
Speaker 1: I would rather pick up Christian Fulton in the twenties
Speaker 1: because that's a better value pick and you potentially pick
Speaker 1: something else up later on. But even if he would
Speaker 1: were to somehow be the pick at seventeen, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily might be the only one that might not be
Speaker 1: too upset about that overall. Okay, final question, rapid fire,
Speaker 1: just one word answer, yes or no. Wes Kintrell comes
Speaker 1: on here and he says, do the Cowboys pick at seventeen? Yes? Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so we're not trading down. Well, I think you'd like too.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of is it doable? Because how
Speaker 1: many other who's there? How many other teams feel the
Speaker 1: same way to Cowboys too, We're like, wait, why would
Speaker 1: I be going up now? We want to go back?
Speaker 1: It's gonna be some bandwidth issues. Yeah, unless somebody is
Speaker 1: in love with a quarterback, that's there. I mean, if
Speaker 1: somehow Justin Herbert was to fall, or if somebody really
Speaker 1: loved Jordan Love or maybe if if a great if
Speaker 1: if McKay Beckton slips like he did in our mock,
Speaker 1: if he falls all the way to seventeen and somebody
Speaker 1: that didn't think they had a shot at him realizes
Speaker 1: that they do. Maybe, But you know, we've spent so
Speaker 1: much time talking about how we don't love our options
Speaker 1: at seventeen, So what are the odds that somebody else
Speaker 1: is going to love their options so much that they
Speaker 1: want to give up picks to get it. It's possible.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to lose. I'm wanting to lose on the chart.
Speaker 1: I'm willing to lose on the chart, to go down,
Speaker 1: to go down. Wow, how kind of what it's come to.
Speaker 1: It's Oh, I like the Frederick's thing where they should
Speaker 1: have got a two and they got three instead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: looked down towards the end of the first round and
Speaker 1: pick up a three. I'm willing to lose to go down.
Speaker 1: But our team maybe, I don't know, maybe which The
Speaker 1: funny thing is the other thing that could prompt the
Speaker 1: trade is like what if one of the big three
Speaker 1: receivers falls? But if one of the big three receivers
Speaker 1: is there at seventeen and they trade out of it,
Speaker 1: I would be pretty upset. Yeah, well you're kind of
Speaker 1: going off of that. I would say it leads into
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Speaker 1: the draft, guys, let's give our strategies going into the
Speaker 1: at least day one, and then kind of how we
Speaker 1: see day one painting out and how we would take
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft and the roadmap that we're
Speaker 1: going to lay out going into Day two and day
Speaker 1: three as well. Jeff, we're gonna start with you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna put you on the clock pretty early here. If
Speaker 1: you were in the GM chair, if you're sitting in
Speaker 1: that war room and Jerry Jones house, what is your
Speaker 1: strategy into Day one? My strategy is to be as
Speaker 1: prepared as I can for the possibility of Javon Kinlot seventeen,
Speaker 1: figuring out how we feel medically and if we want
Speaker 1: to make that pick. My strategy is knowing how many
Speaker 1: teams are open to coming up and based on certain
Speaker 1: players being available, and this will not surprise you guys.
Speaker 1: My plan would be to find a way to bail.
Speaker 1: My plan would be to try to end up with
Speaker 1: an extra top one hundred pick because I moved back
Speaker 1: from seventeen. And then my plan would be to get
Speaker 1: comfortable with all the corners and safeties in this class
Speaker 1: and who would I like to pick, whether I have
Speaker 1: to do it at seventeen or if I can do
Speaker 1: that in the twenties and then again in the fifties
Speaker 1: or sixties. My plan is simple, captain, trade down, must ride,
Speaker 1: find a partner. Yeah, I think that's a good plan
Speaker 1: to have and something to be ready for it. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of those trades though, I think you
Speaker 1: need to have already been having conversations with New Orleans
Speaker 1: or New England or those teams that are in the twenties.
Speaker 1: What if this happens here? What if this happens here?
Speaker 1: And number one strategy, I need to know about ten
Speaker 1: contingency plans right away. What do I do if this happens?
Speaker 1: What do I do if this happens? What do I
Speaker 1: do if this happens? And have them in order and
Speaker 1: start checking them off the box. Because when you get there,
Speaker 1: communication is going to be way more difficult than it's
Speaker 1: ever been. So you've got to know, you know, got
Speaker 1: to know what the plan is at the snap of
Speaker 1: a finger when it happens. You need to know, even
Speaker 1: though you've got the two K, two o'clock or whatever
Speaker 1: kind of going from that, what's an example of a
Speaker 1: contingency plan going into it. I mean, I know there's
Speaker 1: a ton of different routes in that tree, and the
Speaker 1: possibilities are going to go spread out in different directions,
Speaker 1: But what is one possibility that a contingency plan could
Speaker 1: bring Jerry Judy falls to seventeen? Are are we all
Speaker 1: on board? I know we wanted to take defense. I
Speaker 1: know we wanted to help out the edge rush. I
Speaker 1: know we need to attack cornerback. But I'm looking at
Speaker 1: my wide receiver depth chart. What if Amari Cooper Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup gets hurt? What is Cedric Wilson our wide receiver? Three? Like?
Speaker 1: Are we all go? Okay, let's turn the car and
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy Like I personally, again, I said this earlier
Speaker 1: in the show. You don't gotta take a wide receiver
Speaker 1: at seventeen. I'm not pushing for that, okay, but if
Speaker 1: it happens, I don't think the big three you're gonna
Speaker 1: fall to you at seventeen, but if it happens, you
Speaker 1: need to be prepared to make that move. I think
Speaker 1: this is a team that needs to come out of
Speaker 1: the draft with two wide receivers because what happens if
Speaker 1: one of those guys does get hurt are banged up.
Speaker 1: I mean, then the wide receiver depth chart on this
Speaker 1: team ain't good after Cooper and Gallup. It's right, you
Speaker 1: need to draft receiver, though, the second one I think
Speaker 1: you can get in the fourth or fifth round. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: would you? Would you agree? No? Yeah, for sure? And
Speaker 1: I mean I think you and I are on the
Speaker 1: same page. I think the Cowboys have to come out
Speaker 1: of this draft with a pass rusher, a couple of dbs,
Speaker 1: and at least one wide receiver. And you make mistakes
Speaker 1: when you try to force the round that that'll happen in.
Speaker 1: But I just think you have to identify the best
Speaker 1: possible value at all those spots. That's why I've been
Speaker 1: pushing calevan Chase on so hard at seventeen. I think
Speaker 1: when you weigh your options there versus what this team needs,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. If he's not there.
Speaker 1: That's how you wind up talking about Christian Fulton, Trevon Diggs,
Speaker 1: and j Terrell. Move back to pick fifty one. What's
Speaker 1: the best value there? Would it be a guy like
Speaker 1: a Josh Uch or maybe a Terrell Lewis if they
Speaker 1: last that long? Is there a receiver you love there?
Speaker 1: With how loaded this receiver classes? Is it possible that
Speaker 1: a guy like Jalen Ray sitting there? I doubt it,
Speaker 1: but you gotta be ready. So that's that's what I'm
Speaker 1: weighing those three positions or four really because cornerback and safety.
Speaker 1: I think they need both find the best value at
Speaker 1: all those spots and draft and I think the big
Speaker 1: four money picks, assuming they don't trade, which maybe they will,
Speaker 1: but if they don't seventeen fifty one, eighty two, one,
Speaker 1: twenty three, I think it's going to be really defensive
Speaker 1: heavy and hopefully throw in a wide receiver if the
Speaker 1: if the value makes sense. I know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: with you. I kind of want to go back to
Speaker 1: something that Kat was talking about with multiple wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Now I've seen the concern. I mean, other than Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop and then Amari Cooper and you don't really. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you trusting the centric Wilsons of the world to
Speaker 1: get the job done? No, you're not. You need to
Speaker 1: at least one wide receiver. My contingency plan would be
Speaker 1: early on, you need some dbs, you need a corner,
Speaker 1: or you need a safety in round one or two,
Speaker 1: round three, and four, that's your sweet spot for your
Speaker 1: wide receivers. But the fact that Katie, you're saying that
Speaker 1: you need multiple wide receivers, where would you take each
Speaker 1: one of those guys? Well, I mean, it just depends
Speaker 1: if the board's putting you in a situation to take
Speaker 1: an excellent player like one of the big three guys
Speaker 1: we've been talking about in Rugs and Lamb and Judy
Speaker 1: and if you want to talk about Jalen Raagor and
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson. I'm okay with that. We can we can
Speaker 1: do that. But like it's if the board it's just
Speaker 1: exposing a player for you and you just can't turn
Speaker 1: it down, you just do it. Like it's just it's
Speaker 1: it's that's a simple thing. That should that I think
Speaker 1: everyone should go, Okay, this is just too good to
Speaker 1: pass up. What do we There's really no thought that
Speaker 1: should go in here, we've done all the work. It
Speaker 1: jumps out at you take the guy. So it's hard
Speaker 1: to be specific on what player you know, but you
Speaker 1: really got to consider it. And you know who knows
Speaker 1: Ken Law falls back to you, you know, and maybe
Speaker 1: one of the wide receivers falls back to you somehow.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's guys who are gonna get drafted tomorrow,
Speaker 1: like Austin Jackson probably gonna end up in the top twenty.
Speaker 1: And we talked about AJ Terrell maybe not being there
Speaker 1: in seventeen, like there are some guys who are gonna
Speaker 1: go we were gonna back Huh. No one in thought
Speaker 1: that Cleveland Farrell was gonna go pick four last year,
Speaker 1: you know, Like there are be some head scratchers that
Speaker 1: And that's why it's maybe some of these names that
Speaker 1: we've been talking about all along are there, Chason and
Speaker 1: kin Law or whatever. But I'm just not gonna be
Speaker 1: scared to take wide receiver because when I look at it, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need help at cornerback, sure, but it's not like
Speaker 1: I'm good at wide receiver. And I don't think this team,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I really don't think this team is in
Speaker 1: a position to go out and if the third wide
Speaker 1: receiver gets hurt, I mean, if one of your wide
Speaker 1: receivers gets hurt, they're they're not really a good position
Speaker 1: to go put up huge offensive numbers. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, you know, and I wish I could say differently,
Speaker 1: but if Cooper or Gallup gets hurt and they haven't
Speaker 1: done much to help out the wide receiver group, but
Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson hasn't done enough to just be handed wide
Speaker 1: receiver three. The other thing I would throw in though,
Speaker 1: personnel trading, like players on rosters already, that could be
Speaker 1: interesting as well. We've seen Marky's Goodwin already get dangled
Speaker 1: out there in San Francisco a little bit San Francisco
Speaker 1: at thirteen and thirty one. They look like they want
Speaker 1: to play. They look like they're trying to get some
Speaker 1: action going just because they don't pick again until the
Speaker 1: fifth round. I believe so. Like but a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that's already on a roster could make sense as well.
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk Christian Kirk type would be fantastic. I would
Speaker 1: have love you captain trade down. Oh what if? What
Speaker 1: if you can't bail out of seventeen? But San Francisco
Speaker 1: wants you to come up for thirteen? Would you do it?
Speaker 1: What am I going up for? Tak your wide receiver?
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy? What they cost me? Probably just served? Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably eighty two, right, yeah, eighty two and maybe one
Speaker 1: of your fifths, but we'll say eighty two just to
Speaker 1: get you to do it. CD Lamb available, Uh No,
Speaker 1: just sued Judy. That's that's a no brainer. No, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy, Jerry Judy. C J
Speaker 1: hadn't really disrespecting Jerry Judy. C J. Henderson's No, I'm
Speaker 1: not giving up an extra pick. I won't give up
Speaker 1: an extra pick to go get c J. Henderson. I
Speaker 1: would think about it for Lamb and Judy. But the
Speaker 1: thing is is I would have a full ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes to think about it, because I would be
Speaker 1: they'd be on the clock, and we'd be talking about
Speaker 1: this night of time. I wouldn't I wouldn't be pushed
Speaker 1: like this to make a decision right this second. Yeah, mad,
Speaker 1: do you know how mad the cowboys would get at me?
Speaker 1: The Cowboy nation would get at me if not only
Speaker 1: was I taking a receiver in the first round, but
Speaker 1: I was trading up and giving up a three for it.
Speaker 1: So now all I got left is my two, and
Speaker 1: I need an entire secondary and an entire knee line
Speaker 1: a year from now. Cowboys Nation would kill me and
Speaker 1: I do it, no heartbeat, Let go a great one, mad,
Speaker 1: they're a great player. Does Cowboys Nation think they we
Speaker 1: have a number three wide receiver? We don't. Does Cowboys
Speaker 1: Nation think of Mark Cooper and Michael Gallup have been
Speaker 1: beacons of health? They're not. No, But I think, guys,
Speaker 1: but you have receivers to say that you're big at
Speaker 1: jed and that you're willing to give two of your
Speaker 1: first three pick. They need like nine players. They need
Speaker 1: like nine players. Yeah, this is a year where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys need like two draft picks. To Jeff's point, though,
Speaker 1: it would be somebody I can't remember if it was
Speaker 1: Katie or Dave just now said or is it so
Speaker 1: certain that the Cowboys have a third wide receiver? I
Speaker 1: don't think if you're looking at Ceedee Lamb or Jerry Judy,
Speaker 1: it's also not a guarantee they're gonna be your number
Speaker 1: three receiver. They may be your two or year one.
Speaker 1: I'm not disrespecting Amari Cooper, but I'm just saying, Ceedee.
Speaker 1: Lamb and Jerry Judy are two guys at the top
Speaker 1: half of this draft that gets you as excited as
Speaker 1: any other receiver that you've seen on the board or
Speaker 1: at least been available as of late. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is could be a game changer in terms of your offense. Overall,
Speaker 1: team forty burger. It maybe forty five burger if you've
Speaker 1: got Lamb running around and breaking tackles the way that
Speaker 1: he does. When somebody's insane enough to gift me an
Speaker 1: NFL team and I'm picking my own players. If the
Speaker 1: criticism of my front office becomes you've invested too much
Speaker 1: an offensive weapons to help your quarterback, I will say
Speaker 1: thank you for your criticism. You're right guilty as charged.
Speaker 1: But that many people are gonna watch you play Madden.
Speaker 1: They should well, I don't play Madden. Just they would
Speaker 1: have to watch, they'd be watching me build the team
Speaker 1: I GM on Madden. I don't play. You know what,
Speaker 1: you know? I could see it happening, just because I
Speaker 1: know new regime changes things. I could see this team
Speaker 1: finally away to draft a center or a guard. I'll
Speaker 1: stop it. I don't even want to talk about that early.
Speaker 1: We need to chill out with the Ruise and the
Speaker 1: cushion Berry disrespect. I'll tell you that right now. I
Speaker 1: disrespect if it's part of a trade, like if they
Speaker 1: if they drafted Caesar Ruise or I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if they drafted one of those guys way
Speaker 1: back at like twenty eight, I wouldn't hate it. Oh No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about with my extra pick or at fifty one.
Speaker 1: If I have an extra pick, if I haven't, if
Speaker 1: I have three picks in the top seventy and one
Speaker 1: of them is on one of those centers, I'm cool
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, that's fine. But I'm not trading back
Speaker 1: to the mid twenties and then taking Caesar Ruise and
Speaker 1: being happy about it. That's that's my spot where I
Speaker 1: go get a corner, or I go get a safety
Speaker 1: or something of the sort, because the safety de scares
Speaker 1: me a little bit. Yeah, Jalen Ragor you can throw
Speaker 1: that in there too. Now, that might be your third
Speaker 1: white receiver and he would be incredible at that spot too.
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to ask this question. We're
Speaker 1: about three minutes from the end of the show, but
Speaker 1: safety depth in this draft it kind of scares me
Speaker 1: a little bit. I was working back through the safeties
Speaker 1: again last night, and once you get outside maybe the
Speaker 1: top twelve, top thirteen, you're kind of getting sparts. I
Speaker 1: know that's a lot, but compared to some of the
Speaker 1: other spots, at least I'm comfortable with fifteen or sixteen corners,
Speaker 1: but I'm at maybe ten or eleven whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to safeties. Is that scare you into maybe picking a
Speaker 1: little bit of a picking earlier in the safety spot,
Speaker 1: maybe round two or round three, if you don't trade down.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there are five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine. I got about ten safeties that I feel
Speaker 1: I can step into the NFL and start eleven to
Speaker 1: Delphi McKenney, I've got eleven as Ashton Davis, Jeremy Chenino, Stone,
Speaker 1: Kenny Robinson, Cavan Walace, Brandon Jones, and Kyle Duggery. I
Speaker 1: got eleven safeties, but I think could play in the
Speaker 1: NFL and contribute right away. And like to your point
Speaker 1: about having more corners, that make sense. If you play
Speaker 1: three corners, you play too safety. To think the mass
Speaker 1: is kind of lining up here. I think I think
Speaker 1: the safety group, while I'm not incredibly exciting at the top,
Speaker 1: I kind of like the safety group. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty good safety group, just I
Speaker 1: don't have a first round group. I think it's fun
Speaker 1: overall too. And I guess we've talked about a million times. Look,
Speaker 1: the last top one hundred, early on top three round
Speaker 1: safety they took was JJ Wilcox, and that didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: work out for them. That's where I kind of go
Speaker 1: bringing Darian Thompson bat and then the signing of Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix along with we know we have Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: and then there's Donovan Wilson from last year. They have
Speaker 1: four safeties plus whatever they're gonna have on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they're going to draft the
Speaker 1: safety at all with their seven picks. Yeah, I don't say.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think they'll draft a safety. I have been so
Speaker 1: burned by trying to watch this position over the years.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, Kat just took all my talking
Speaker 1: points out of my mouth. I think I think that
Speaker 1: they would consider I think they would consider Delpitton, McKinney.
Speaker 1: I would like to think that they would consider Antoine
Speaker 1: Winfield because he's one of my favorite players. But if
Speaker 1: those if it doesn't fall to where one of those
Speaker 1: three makes sense, I wouldn't be shocked if they don't
Speaker 1: draft one, because they have three guys that they view
Speaker 1: as starter caliber. They've got a developmental guy in Wilson,
Speaker 1: like Katie just said, And I certainly don't think they're
Speaker 1: going to force that pick because they have never once
Speaker 1: shown that they really value that position. The most they've
Speaker 1: ever shown that they value it is they gave Haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dicks four and a half million dollars, and like,
Speaker 1: that's not a crazy amount of money by NFL contract standards,
Speaker 1: So I just think that says a lot. Maybe they
Speaker 1: draft Zavier McKinney in the right circumstances, but otherwise I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shock if they just don't even look at it. Well,
Speaker 1: we are fifty five hours or so from the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft from the start and a kickoff of what was
Speaker 1: originally scheduled to be in Las Vegas but now is
Speaker 1: virtual in our time of breaking this down coming to
Speaker 1: a close, man, it's still kind of the nerves are there.
Speaker 1: The nerves are setting in whenever it comes to Pick
Speaker 1: seventeen and the options that are available for the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys overall, because fifty five hours away from this thing
Speaker 1: and we're still kind of at least throwing out so
Speaker 1: many different possibilities. And I think it's gonna be like
Speaker 1: that all the way up until Pick seventeen. Now, do
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