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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we step into the past

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Speaker 2: through our old episodes and we emerge from the other

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Speaker 2: side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more.

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Speaker 1: And today we're rewinding to episode one ten, which we

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Speaker 1: named Live at the Palace Theater in Columbus.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out March first, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the intro of episode one ten.

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Speaker 3: Oh good, Hey, what a Columbus.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we haven't gotten one wrong yet.

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Speaker 2: We practice and practice backstage.

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Speaker 4: Where are we Columbus?

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Speaker 1: How do you pronounce that? Columbus?

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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 1: Wow? What a beautiful theater. Gorgeous theater? Gorgeous. We got

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Speaker 1: a fun fact on the way over here about this

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Speaker 1: theater that it was a vaudeville theater and downstairs.

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Speaker 4: And like catering, it was where they had the animals.

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Speaker 1: Come in for vaudeville, like all the dogs in the

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Speaker 1: rally costumes and short.

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Speaker 2: What's funny is we didn't ask what animals. That's Georgia's

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Speaker 2: cartoon of this theater in nineteen twenty. You just goed

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Speaker 2: it in your head.

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Speaker 1: Poodles in fucking ballet costa Hoodle show.

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Speaker 2: Show. That's the most famous ballet of all.

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Speaker 1: You know it.

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Speaker 2: It's the sugar Plump Fairy from the Nutcog with poodles

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Speaker 2: I pictured on the animal ramp, just like one hundred elephants.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, these people are amazing. They got all

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Speaker 2: those camels and elephants and ry not their eye out here.

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Speaker 1: In my mind it was poodle doodles, Poodles Time, Boodles time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Poodles Time. Everybody, thank you so much for coming.

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Speaker 2: You bought special tickets to Poodles Time. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It's the official pre show of the pup that's right,

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Speaker 1: who's excited, talking puppy bowl for the talking.

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Speaker 2: We're going to introduce Chris Ardwick. We're all going to

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Speaker 2: come out talk about what might happen, what happened last year?

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Speaker 2: Remember when that one drank the water?

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Speaker 1: Fuck? That was the best. That was the best.

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Speaker 2: You can see it in your mind again. Huh what's

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Speaker 2: the music behind puppies drinking water?

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Speaker 1: Oh well, well they're not drinking out of fucking FBI glasses.

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Speaker 1: Ship shaw, So right here, thank you, they stand up

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Speaker 1: and shoot us.

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Speaker 2: Please sit down, you're not in charge right Nowbi Jesus

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Speaker 2: power tripping, still standing, still.

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Speaker 1: Talking, let me break this ship?

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Speaker 4: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, He's what we meant to say.

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me breathing in this micro hardcore?

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Speaker 2: This sound system is insane because it sounds like the

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Speaker 2: voices are coming from behind me. And that's when you're

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Speaker 2: the one talking. That's kind of upsetting.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a ghosts that's a ghost.

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Speaker 2: That's the ghost of a dead poodle.

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Speaker 1: The voice, the human voice of a ghost of a

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Speaker 1: dead Oh why are we talking about that dog?

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Speaker 2: It's fun it's funny.

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Speaker 4: That's a bummer, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Oh did you know what the show is about. I

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Speaker 2: have bad news for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I think security really is coming for those

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Speaker 1: FBI agents.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, you know what it is. Oh,

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Speaker 2: someone tweeted this. I was eavesdropping on Twitter. You get

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Speaker 2: your own individual usher at this theater to walk you

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Speaker 2: to your seat, each and every person.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: They could have been lying.

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Speaker 1: But Ohio, you got some fucking class alchemy.

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Speaker 2: He's like, we did too.

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Speaker 1: No one knows where they're going.

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Speaker 2: They look at the balcony ticket and they're like, you're

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Speaker 2: on your own figure it out. If you want your

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Speaker 2: own individual usher, you got to kick down that Cheddar

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Speaker 2: never said that word before as money, Never.

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Speaker 1: Cheddar as money, Cheddar's money. Karen, I have to tell

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Speaker 1: you guys something. It's really upsetting. Karen tried to steal

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Speaker 1: someone's purse last night.

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Speaker 2: Look, I had I needed money for my children.

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Speaker 1: That's how it starts having children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, last night at the meet and greet, these girls

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Speaker 2: walk up. There's a problem with me. I make a

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Speaker 2: lot of assumptions in my mind and then just go

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Speaker 2: with it. It's a fun way to live, but you

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Speaker 2: can be deeply wrong often. And these two women walked

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Speaker 2: up and they had clutch purses, and they had with

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Speaker 2: I think like equins sewed on our logo onto these

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Speaker 2: two clutch.

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Speaker 1: Person beautiful clutch persons, and they were walking towards I

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Speaker 1: understand they were walking towards us, like shotting us.

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Speaker 2: I did so, I'm all like, this is amazing, and

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Speaker 2: I open it up. I'm like, why is she giving

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Speaker 2: me this old check book?

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Speaker 1: I don't want that.

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Speaker 2: I don't want this ship, birth control pills?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck?

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Speaker 4: It was really awkward.

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Speaker 2: It was super when the moment I realized I'm looking

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Speaker 2: into a woman's purse who I met three and a

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Speaker 2: half seconds ago. I was all like, loving your purse?

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Speaker 1: Did she handed? I don't know, they're not giving you something? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, they're gorgeous.

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Speaker 4: We had to like play it.

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Speaker 1: They were, but but I wanted one.

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Speaker 2: You know, don't bring two. That's a real that was

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Speaker 2: a real, mindful.

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Speaker 1: She was a lawyer, so I think she's used to

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Speaker 1: getting catching people in weird situation. You here, No, no,

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Speaker 1: a lawyer. Oh you love lawyers.

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Speaker 2: There's one lawyer here. Oh, these are people that got

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Speaker 2: off on huge crimes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, lawyer groupies. You can't prove anything inadmissable. I never

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Speaker 1: said shit, hear say, let's row up more legal times

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Speaker 1: approached the bench, broach the bench order in the court.

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Speaker 2: I'm just panicking going through every law and order i've

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Speaker 2: ever seen. Argumentative, Your honor, Welcome to my favorite brother.

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Speaker 1: Everybody d.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's Karen Kilgarov, that's Georgia Hartstark, for all the uh,

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Speaker 1: for all the dads that were dragged along. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what this is. Yes, it's gonna get worse, more confused,

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Speaker 1: more confusing, more inside baseball. But you guys get the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, so calm down. No women like that stuff too.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely everything's fair and even.

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Speaker 1: Snacks, snacks. I just love the snacks.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen that picture online? That's the person who

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Speaker 2: made a cold cut super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: On the stadium.

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Speaker 2: Just peel off pieces of ham off a ham stadium.

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Speaker 1: And person is super chill. Person's just chill.

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Speaker 2: It's just a person who is chill about me. It's

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Speaker 2: not that big of a deal.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't or he doesn't tell you where to eat

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Speaker 1: from first, or get mad at you, you know, in

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Speaker 1: the corner eating.

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Speaker 2: From the middle, Try the alive low front door.

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Speaker 1: Is there a friend door to a stadium?

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Speaker 2: Probably a front of back, two side doors.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of delicious food and beautiful dud. So we went

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Speaker 1: on our way here. We were in Cleveland yesterday and

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Speaker 1: on our way today, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: We stopped by your incredible vintage shop called flower Child.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god god. It was just

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Speaker 1: troubling and we were like, well, what do we get

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Speaker 1: for the hometown person to the person who comes up

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Speaker 1: to read the hometown And Karen found something magical? Do

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Speaker 1: you want to do you want to tell them about it.

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Speaker 2: I would love to thank you, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: This is creative cooking with aluminium foil.

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Speaker 2: It's a yes, it's a wonderful recipe book from I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you looked it up. My guest is

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Speaker 2: nineteen two.

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Speaker 4: I think it was sixty something.

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Speaker 2: What's your guest?

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Speaker 4: Sixty nine?

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Speaker 1: Okay, fifteen thousand dollars? Yep, okay, that's always our bet.

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Speaker 1: We never ready less than that.

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Speaker 2: Can you see sixty seven? Yeah, you're closest.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I win the cookbook.

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Speaker 4: That's weird.

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Speaker 2: Oh you don't want that money?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Cool. Two recipes that are special. One is molded

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Speaker 1: seafood salad.

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Speaker 2: Like a yellow mold. Where's the living and foil come in?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: You eat it, you tear it up into tiny pieces.

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Speaker 1: You make a thing out of it, and you scrape

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Speaker 1: your tongue off after you eat it because it's so disgusting.

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Speaker 2: You actually you put it on the orange zester.

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Speaker 1: You use it to make it into a key to

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Speaker 1: unlock the handcuffs you've been put in people that aren't

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Speaker 1: force feeding of the eat the shit.

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Speaker 2: I thought you meant to unlocked the key to the

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Speaker 2: front door of the meat.

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Speaker 1: Steady either one.

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Speaker 2: Also, tuna tempties. Can you just read what's in a

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Speaker 2: tuna tempty?

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Speaker 1: A quarter pound of American cheese cubed? Yes, right off

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Speaker 1: the fucking bat.

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Speaker 2: Why don't they This is before integrations, because today, if

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Speaker 2: it was a book like this would be a Velveta brand.

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Speaker 4: He m the game, This is okay. This is by

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Speaker 4: eleanor Lynch.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Oh hell yeah?

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Speaker 4: Can a two?

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Speaker 1: Nah?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 1: The green pepper. You got some greens in there. Nice

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Speaker 1: an onion, a pickle salad dress and some pepper.

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Speaker 4: Hamburger or Frankfurt Hamburger buns.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, wait, where'd we go?

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Speaker 2: Guns?

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Speaker 1: I think it's just a tuna melt. And we made

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Speaker 1: a better name now for it.

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Speaker 2: That's the kind of thing my mom would make. She

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Speaker 2: would call it ketches ketch can and she would just

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Speaker 2: combine everything that was in the pantry should be like,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna have tuna sandwiches on hot dog buns.

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Speaker 2: Sit down, it's gonna be so fun.

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Speaker 1: No, no, m no, yeah no. And that's that.

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Speaker 2: And there's just a one final page by the Alzheimer's

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Speaker 2: Association in the back that's like, don't eat anything in

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Speaker 2: this recip people, if you care about your memories.

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Speaker 1: There's literally a single page marked salads.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty great. It's probab of my favorite thing.

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Speaker 2: It's just like whatever saladod you make, go ahead, put

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Speaker 2: some aluminum.

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Speaker 1: Foil on top of that bowl.

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Speaker 2: Put it in the refrigerator, the frigidaire, the frigidaire, so

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Speaker 2: the icebox.

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Speaker 1: Does student think you were kidding when you said to

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Speaker 1: put that one slide up that he made?

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Speaker 2: It didn't, Maunter, because he wants this slide.

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Speaker 1: He wanted it up, so it better be up because

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Speaker 1: we because he sent us this he made, he took

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long it takes to make this ship,

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Speaker 1: but whatever it is, he's not getting fucking paid for

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: We ask him, Hey, if there's anything interesting going on

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Speaker 2: in the towns, we're going to give us a little

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Speaker 2: fucking email about it, because we're we don't know what's

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Speaker 2: going on at the.

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Speaker 1: Time anywhere, like not even on our own town.

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Speaker 5: And so hey, look, Stevin, they're mad at you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Flavortown, people who already live in Flavortown. He

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to what if? I just didn't

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Speaker 2: Also, it's what's very funny is within the little paragraph

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Speaker 2: Ferry like a boat. Yeah, people are bummed.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of Italian Americans and the audience who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I met him in Cleveland, remember, oh yeah, remember

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he said. It's cabam. I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm just wearing my gym jams jammies. Oh they used

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Speaker 2: the good tablecloth, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this was not balled up in the back

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Speaker 2: the fuck do they need a table cloth?

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Speaker 1: No one was scraaming about a tablecloth, and events was

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Speaker 4: Nobody was doing that.

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Speaker 1: Now what and they want to rug get the fuck out.

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Speaker 2: We don't even know who you are. What is a podcast.

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Speaker 1: When they aren't supposed to be alone on stage?

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Speaker 2: Jesus, everybody knows that live podcasts are made and broken

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Speaker 2: by the oriental rugs that they're done upon.

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Speaker 1: Our worst show is when we were on an ikea rug.

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Speaker 2: Oh those weird patterns squares.

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Speaker 1: And stuff, so distracting. Yeah, okay, we're back, Karen. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember being in Columbus and at the Palace Theater.

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Speaker 2: I genuinely remember a lot of that show.

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Speaker 1: I know what I was wearing. Is that fucking weird?

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Speaker 1: I have a photo of me from that night of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not weird for you at all. That's kind

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Speaker 2: Friends exactly, and that rad vintage store we went.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: It feels much more casual, like hometowny exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know you're looking out into that darkness, but you

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Speaker 2: know who you're talking to. Yeah, you've arotadly gotten some

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Speaker 2: advanced diplomats from the culture who came to me and

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Speaker 2: meet said the thrift store or whatever. Right really quick,

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Speaker 2: Maren looked it up. Flower Child Vintage is still open

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Speaker 2: in Columbus. You can go there. Hell yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's the one where I went, I need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good, so much good shit.

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Speaker 1: All right, should we get into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's time to get into Georgia story about Donald Darvy.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Hi, I go first. Okay, Okay, you guys, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: you guys. Are you ready for your angel of death,

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Speaker 1: Donald Harvey? Oh ah shit ah shit is right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, April, here's the one thing I know about all

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Speaker 2: angels of death. Yes, they love a transition lens. I'm

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Speaker 2: just fucking they love an eighties math teacher glasses situation.

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Speaker 1: For themselves afternoon and evening. I mean, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: They're like, I might want to step outside the hospital

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Speaker 2: nine more.

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Speaker 1: People, but I don't want the trouble of changing my.

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Speaker 2: Class change into different glasses. Yeah, that's my maintenance. Help me,

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Speaker 2: lens Crafters. They all say, it's true.

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Speaker 1: God, I don't want to disappoint you. What's the photo.

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Speaker 1: I have a photo of him. We'll take a lone

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Speaker 1: in April nineteen eighty seven, ding, where's Karen in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Oh eighty seven. That's a senior year of high school.

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Speaker 2: So I'm at the bottom of a Mickey's big mouth,

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Speaker 2: trying to explain someone to someone. Probably I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: explain to my father how the words of Depeche modes.

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Speaker 2: People are people are actually about him and his racist problems.

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Speaker 2: Don't listen to the words, Dad.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear that people are people or people?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter? And I swear to God, this was

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Speaker 1: Children eighty seven, baby eighty seven, all right, Well, in

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, that is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Insurance companies, man, they are fucking on in it and

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Speaker 1: So corner doctor Lee Layman, he's a forensic. Yes, he's

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Speaker 1: he's probably a blast at parties.

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Speaker 2: He's like, guess what this one will do to you?

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Speaker 2: Take it?

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Speaker 1: Zip? Zip. So he's like great, probably getting ready to

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Speaker 1: But no, it turns out he suddenly smells the faint

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that's part of being a doctor. That's

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Speaker 2: They never talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they make you pay for school and take

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Speaker 4: Then they make you smell it, and.

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Speaker 2: Then they're like pulling out that croissant. Like, let's see

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Speaker 2: if you're going to be a doctor, Oh sorry, I'll

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Speaker 2: go to be a dentist.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I slammed dentists.

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Speaker 1: Karen's got a deep seated hate to look these fucking teeth.

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Speaker 1: So authorities are like, oh shit, and they start looking

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Speaker 1: into John's family, of course, friends, they all take light

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Speaker 1: out for they were a great liar. No, And then

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Speaker 4: In contact with him at the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so all the nurses and everyone, they are cleared.

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Speaker 1: And then when it's this dude's Donald Harvey's turn to

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, red flag.

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Speaker 2: It's eighty seven. So how did he call him sick?

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Speaker 1: What's up top and bottom? Yeah, the entirety of the phone. Then,

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Speaker 2: Did it immediately. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh. He doesn't try to lie. He's like, I did

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Speaker 1: it because I felt bad for him. He was suffering,

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Speaker 1: but they didn't know it at the time, but they

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Speaker 1: prolific serial killers of all time, Donald Harvey, the Angel

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Speaker 1: of death of all time Columbus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's They're like We've got a ton of those.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. He's not the only one.

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Speaker 4: So Donald was born. It's also he's never.

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Speaker 2: Mind what tell me the secret in front of them?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well he worked in Cincinnati. I just didn't want

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Speaker 1: anyone to be mad at me.

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Speaker 2: She said. I. I just didn't want anyone to be mad.

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Speaker 2: You can't control them that way. If I don't say

448
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Speaker 2: the word Cincinnati, everyone will stay happy the whole show.

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00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: They don't even know what they're cheering for.

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Speaker 1: It cyanide, I love sayid in Cincinnati. Okay. Donald Harvey

451
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Speaker 1: is born in Butler County, Ohio, in nineteen fifty two.

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Speaker 2: You you you such a nice county. M the man

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Speaker 2: in the tuxedos there the whole time.

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Speaker 1: He's leading everyone to their seats.

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Speaker 2: In Butler County, everyone has a personal usher all day.

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Speaker 1: They're known for it. He okay. Shortly after his birth,

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Speaker 1: his parents moved to Boonville, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: Small community.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, up in the back and he Boonville baby Yep.

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Speaker 1: At six months old, father falls asleep while he's holding him.

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Speaker 1: Klonk hits his fucking head. Oh dad falls asleep, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And at five years.

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Speaker 2: Old, sorry, I could have done it with an actual cup.

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Speaker 1: That's not improged.

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Speaker 2: I do with my hand and immediately took a real

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Speaker 2: lost opportunity. Let's do it over, okay.

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Speaker 4: And then at five years old he has another.

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Speaker 1: Fucking head injury, saying I'm not saying one leads to

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Speaker 1: the other.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't fit there, Sorry, it doesn't fit there.

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Speaker 1: So his mother, Goldie and Sis said he was brought

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Speaker 1: up in a loving family and he was a happy child.

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Speaker 1: All his looks like all his teachers were thought he

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Speaker 1: was great, and he had a great childhood. But then

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Speaker 1: it's like, no, actually he was molested from four years

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Speaker 1: old to twenty years old.

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Speaker 2: What the fuck by two different.

478
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Speaker 1: Fucking men, his uncle and his fucking neighbor. So I

479
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 1: think mom is golden Goldie over her eyes more than

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Speaker 1: anything else.

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Speaker 2: She's doing a little bit. Who had the best time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, we forgot to tell the rules that

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Speaker 1: this is a true crime comedy podcast. We're not laughing

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Speaker 1: at the I guess we're laughing. It's too late.

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Speaker 4: It's quite too late.

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Speaker 2: Please butler yourself out.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like it, do you raise your hands,

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Speaker 1: someone will come ground.

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Speaker 2: But also, if you were the mother of someone who

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Speaker 2: ends up being one of the most prolific serial killers

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Speaker 2: of all time. You're going to go into fucking full

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Speaker 2: denial mode anyway. Sure, you're probably very good at it.

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Speaker 1: It's no one's fault. It's not my fault, certainly not

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Speaker 1: my fault. So but he was well like Bile's teachers,

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Speaker 1: but it seems like he liked he was better with

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Speaker 1: adults and with children.

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Speaker 4: You know me too.

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Speaker 1: He was super smart, but he was bored, so he

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Speaker 1: drops out of high school. In nineteen seventy, his mother

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Speaker 1: asked him to take care of his sick grandfather, who

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Speaker 1: had been placed in Marymount Hospital in London, Kentucky.

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Speaker 4: And he's like, great, I'm there.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to be there.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I think he's like eighteen years old

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Speaker 1: this time, which what eighteen year old doesn't want to go? God?

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Speaker 2: Is it a some kind of a convalescent hospital.

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Speaker 1: That would be perfect for there?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's my summer vacation.

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Speaker 1: He spends a lot of time at the hospital, so

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Speaker 1: much that the nuns.

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Speaker 4: Who worked there like loved this guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a sweet baby angel, and so one of the

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Speaker 1: nuns asked Harvey if he wanted to work there as

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Speaker 1: an orderly and he's like es.

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Speaker 2: And then she slapped him across the base? Is that

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Speaker 2: what they do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Eight hundred people just had flashbacks in this audience.

518
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: What thre eight hundred people out There's gotta be okay.

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00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: Even though he wasn't trained as a nurse, his duties

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00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: required him to spend long hours alone, not long, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of time with patients alone. Some of his

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Speaker 1: duties included changing bedpans and starting catheters and passing out medications,

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Speaker 1: the fun stuff.

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Speaker 2: It's party time, yep, this is this is his version

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Speaker 2: of MTV spring Birds. That's just fucking stoked.

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Speaker 1: During one evening, just months after he started working at

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Speaker 1: the hospital, Donald uh commits his first murder.

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Speaker 2: And here he is Tonight's ladies and gentlemen, please say hello?

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Speaker 1: Was that death?

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Speaker 2: I think I was?

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Speaker 1: Actually the Grim Reaper is here tonight?

532
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Speaker 2: Grim Reaper's like, yes, girl, kill them all, bitch, slay

533
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: literally slay them all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's what happens, and tell me how you'd feel

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Speaker 1: about this.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Donald goes into this patient's room to do what to

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Speaker 1: check on him? He's he had had a stroke before.

539
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: Goes into this patient fucking rubs feces all over Donald's face.

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00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: What so, Donald, So I don't like that? If that's

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Speaker 1: the question you're about to ask me, He becomes angry.

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00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: You lose it all control. Later, he says, the next thing,

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Speaker 1: I knew I'd smothered him. Okay, I'd smother it. It

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00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: was like it was like it was the last straw.

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00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: I just lost it. I went to help the man

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Speaker 1: and he wants to rub that in my face.

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't want to.

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00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: Following the murder, so then Harvey. Then he cleans up

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Speaker 1: the patient, takes a shower real quick, and then tells

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Speaker 1: the nurses that the guy was dead and no one

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00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: ever questioned it, he said, just.

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Speaker 4: Three weeks that's his first murder. Just three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Later, he kills again when he disconnected an oxygen tank

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Speaker 1: to an elderly woman's uh oxygen what do they call it?

555
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: When no one suspected him, he starts to get more brazen.

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Speaker 4: He used various techniques to kill.

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Speaker 1: He use a plastic bag to suffocate patients, morphine, and

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Speaker 1: a variety of other drugs overdoses. In the first year,

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Speaker 1: he kills more than a dozen patients. Yeah, they want

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Speaker 1: to see a picture of him. She's asking me, doesn't

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Speaker 1: he look like a fucking Brady? That's why, Mike, No,

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Speaker 1: the middle one. It's Greg, Peter, Peter.

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Speaker 2: He's the here's the brady they keep in the sub basement.

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Speaker 1: Look at how bright and cheery his eyes look.

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Speaker 2: It's what is he thinking about? Feces?

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Speaker 1: Jesus? Can you imagine being in a bed in a

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Speaker 1: hospital and then those eyes come into you.

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Speaker 2: Do you need some juice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm feeling better. You just pop out of bed

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Speaker 1: and oh the fever's broken? Bye?

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Speaker 2: Okay, God damn.

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Speaker 4: Okay, a dozen patients in a year.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Around this time, he starts a relationship. He's so,

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Speaker 1: he's gay. He starts a relationship with a man named

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Speaker 1: Vernon Midden. He is an older man. He's married with children,

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Speaker 1: and he's an undertaker. Oh my god, check check checked,

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00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit hacky.

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Speaker 2: How much older?

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Speaker 1: I think he was in his forties? Oh okay. So

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Speaker 1: he tells him about all these like different ways to

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Speaker 1: kill people and things that will like affect you know.

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Speaker 1: So he learns a lot from this undertaker.

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Speaker 2: He also learns about got to talk about something at

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Speaker 2: all of Darden you know.

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Speaker 1: He also introduces Donald to his favorite pastime, Vernon's favorite pastime,

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Speaker 1: the occult.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know mine too.

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00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: I think we have I think this has been.

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Speaker 2: A picture of the occult right here. I don't know.

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00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I watched this like hokey documentary on YouTube about it

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00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: and I had to stop it and take a screen

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Speaker 1: grab of this amazing photo because I was like either way.

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00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: And then there was also like it was one of

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Speaker 1: those It was one of those documentaries that like they

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Speaker 1: say a line dramatically and then they show like some

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00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: stock footage of like you know, and then they went

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00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: to the police and you just see like a car

598
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: like driving that it means to go to the police.

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00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: But then then'm like and he was into the occult

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Speaker 1: and it just shows like a like pentagram with the

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Speaker 1: word a cult.

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00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Across the front.

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00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like a cult. It's like okay, And then

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: that's the occult that came up, and so I was like,

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Speaker 1: well they need to see this.

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Speaker 2: So this is you think it could possibly be the

607
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Speaker 2: Undertaker like on the Weekend.

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Speaker 1: Huh, that's what they That's what they made It seem

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Speaker 1: like this is him.

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Speaker 2: Just on like a on the phone let's all go out.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, let me put it on my upside down crucifix.

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00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick, or it's a they went and had

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Speaker 1: a rocky horror picture show live all right, Wow, So okay,

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00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: he gets so then oh, he gets a he gets

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Speaker 1: a spiritual guide when he joins the Occult as well,

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Speaker 1: and he gets a spiritual guide named Duncan who was

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Speaker 1: a doctor in his past life. A ghost. I guess

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Speaker 1: that would assist him with figuring out who to kill what.

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Speaker 4: Just like, that's not real.

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Speaker 2: So he joins the Occult. Uh huh tm see in

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Speaker 2: a circle and immediately is like I love killing and

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Speaker 2: I kill. And then they're like, here's great ways to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: No, I it's his like it seeks like ghost guide.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh it's.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's in his head, it's in his hand.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 2: I pictured at the Occult meeting sitting in a circle

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Speaker 2: and folding chair.

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Speaker 4: Duncan, you've got to meet or friend over here.

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Speaker 1: Donald does any many ideas about new ways to kill? Yeah,

632
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: so he gets Donald gets caught burglarizing when he's drunk

633
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Speaker 1: one night, which I'm sure is like the worst way

634
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: to burglarize is when you're drunk.

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00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right into a house.

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Speaker 4: I think, like, I don't know, into an apartment building.

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00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: No save drunk burglarizing, for just shoplifting and see.

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that's we pick cvs up and then we

639
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: put them back down.

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00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: That's right right in their place.

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00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: So he gets caught, you know, he has to leave his.

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00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: Job because of it.

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00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: It's a story, and he enlists in the Air Force.

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00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: Serves us solution they cult Air Force.

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00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, serves less than a year before he's discharged in

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Speaker 1: March of nineteen seventy two. After he's released, he has

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Speaker 1: a severe bout of depression, which he does throughout his life.

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: He attempts suicide, and in nineteen seventy two, he commits

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Speaker 1: himself to the mental ward of the Veterans Administration in Lexington, Kentucky.

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00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: You guys are on the mental ward too, right, they're

651
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: on aladays pass.

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00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: While there, he receives, over.

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Speaker 1: The course of a few weeks, received over twenty one

654
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Speaker 1: electric shock therapy.

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Speaker 2: I really hate those parts of like old mental hospital movies,

656
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Speaker 2: when they're like they're laid down and someone's holding a

657
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Speaker 2: right a pencil. It's the fucking worst. After working.

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Speaker 1: Just think about it first, after working various jobs where

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: he didn't kill anyone. That's where I summed that up,

660
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: because I was like, he worked all this time, bove it,

661
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: but just you didnt kill anyone at this job. He

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: moves back to Cincinnati in September nineteen seventy five, where

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Speaker 1: he gets a job working the night shift at the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati VA Medical Hospital. He works as an that hospital

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Speaker 1: ye're against, is it haunted?

666
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: Because you know some bad shit's about to go down.

667
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: He works as a nursing assistant, housekeeping aid, a cardiac

668
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: catheterization technician, h and autopsy assistant.

669
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Get in there, buddy.

670
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Since he worked at night, he had no supervision. He

671
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: had access to all areas of the hospital, which sounds horrible.

672
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: So if you work in the daytime, you have to

673
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: have a certain kind of pass you're going to be

674
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 2: a doctor to be on certain wards. And then after

675
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: eleven all those rules just go away and it's just like,

676
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: whoever wants to.

677
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Be here gets to be here. Do your thing, free

678
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: for all. Yeah. Over the next ten years, Donald Harvey

679
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: murders at least fifteen patients while working at the hospital.

680
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: He keeps a precise diary of his crimes, takes snutch

681
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: on each victim, detailing how he murdered them. He presses

682
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: plastic bags and a wet towel over the mouth and nose.

683
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: He sprinkles rat poison and patients desserts. He puts arsenic

684
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: and cyanide into orange juice. He injects cyanide into intravenous tubes,

685
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: and all the while he's studying medical journals for hints

686
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: on how to kill people and how to conceal his crimes.

687
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: And here's how he studies, laser eyes, burning each page.

688
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: But at this point he doesn't just keep his murdery

689
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: stuff to his patients. He in the early eighties, he

690
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: moves in with his lover, Carl Howler, and soon so

691
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: he finds out Carl's going out on Sundays and like

692
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: hooking up with other dudes, and he gets pissed. So

693
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: so Carl starts getting sick on Sundays and can't go out.

694
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the old Sunday flu. Yeah, after you

695
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: have your croissant and then you're like, I feel weird,

696
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 2: m hmm.

697
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: Because Donald starts slipping him small doses of arsenic so

698
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't be able to leave the apartment. Then

699
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: Carl has a female the boyfriend, Carl has a female bff,

700
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: and Donald of course is like, she is getting in

701
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: the way.

702
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: Relation, Yeah, that's right.

703
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: The craziest the.

704
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: Old hag comes in and is like, can I see

705
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: that croissant?

706
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Please? Carl, your boyfriend seems like a psychotic murderer, and

707
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: the psychotic murder is like, I'm gonna kill this bitch, right,

708
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: So he okay, this is so fucked up. He doesn't

709
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: kill her, but he retaliates the way any sane person

710
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: would by infecting her with hepatitis.

711
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: Uh huh, this guy is not chill.

712
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: They catch it and treat her. He also tried to

713
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: affect her with.

714
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: AIDS, but it didn't work.

715
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: She's a squeel. Where the fucking fuck what? They're just

716
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: going to the beer bust. It's not that big of

717
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: a deal. Let them party. Another neighbor who Donald thought

718
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: was getting in between him and Carl was Helen Mexger.

719
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 4: She's a sixty three year old woman.

720
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: Donald makes her a pie laced with arsenic She dies,

721
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: So he's.

722
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: Just basically trying to kill everyone all the time, okay.

723
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: In April nineteen eighty three, Donald has an argument with

724
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Carl's parents his boyfriend's parents. They piss him off, so

725
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: he starts to poison their food with arsenic. Carl's father, Henry,

726
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: suffers a stroke is taking to the hospital. Donald visits him,

727
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: puts arsenic in this pudding and he dies.

728
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 2: That fucking nicest christ.

729
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Harvey continued to poison Carl's mother, Margaret on and not

730
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: for the next year, but he didn't kill her.

731
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

732
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: Then poor Carl. Then he accidentally kills Carl's brother in law.

733
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: What because his name is Howard Vedder. Donald made him

734
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: some cocktails using a bottle of vodka that Donald's oops

735
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: forgot had wood alcohol in it. So he had been

736
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: like taking tape off of something I don't know in

737
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: a vodka bottle and was like, let me mix you up.

738
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: But whatever is he claiming? It's truly a mistake.

739
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: He says it is, But do we Is this the

740
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: person we believe?

741
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: I don't believe, but.

742
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: He says it like.

743
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: It was a mistake.

744
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: His death is attributed to cardiac failure.

745
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: So in January nineteen, it's just so many people to

746
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: die around one person. Even if it was like the

747
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: best sex of your life, you'd be like I'm so

748
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: I have to take a break, Like I just have

749
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: to run the numbers. Ye see, Yeah, since it's just

750
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: you and I left, and I know, but I'm not

751
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: killing everybody. It's just a hunch I should break up

752
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: with you.

753
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: And he's like, every time you pull out your creative

754
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: cooking with lumenen foil recipe, someone.

755
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: Gets said, someone dies.

756
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: Ummmmmmmmm okay. So in nineteen eighty four, in January, Carl

757
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: breaks off the relationship and asks him to move out.

758
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: Donald's angry spends the next two years trying to kill

759
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: a cargirl Jesus who who doesn't? And then on July eighteenth,

760
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, security guards search Donald's gym bag at work.

761
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: They find a thirty eight caliber pistol, hypodermic needles, surgical scissors,

762
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: and glabse a cocaine spoon, various medical texts, Joe a

763
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: cult books, and a biography of serial killers. Serial killer

764
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: Charles Sabrage. Sabrage, he's the bikini killer, you know? No,

765
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: of course I had to fucking look him up. Stay

766
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: tuned in a future episode of My Favorite Participant on you.

767
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: So you're taking the bikini killer? I wanted him. So

768
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: it's basically they open a bag and there's a piece

769
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: of paper that says I'm super guilty inside.

770
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: All I want to do is continue to kill people.

771
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: I just I can't stop killing. I'm doing it as

772
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: we speak, and I enjoy it. Come get me.

773
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: So the hospital's like, look, just if you quietly resign,

774
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: we won't put a mark on your record. Well, like

775
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: won't tell anyone at the place you want to get

776
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: a job in the future.

777
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: We want you to continue doing this, just not here.

778
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 3: Wow.

779
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 4: Uh huh.

780
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: So he quietly resigns rather than being fired. Nothing about

781
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: the incident has ever noted his work record, and hospital

782
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: authorities didn't open an investigation to determine if he had

783
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: committed any other crimes while working at the hospital.

784
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: Oh, it turns out his mom ran that hospital.

785
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: So seven months later, in February nineteen eighty six, Donald

786
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: was hired as a nurse's aide at Cincinnati's Drake Memorial Hospital.

787
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: From you guys hate, No.

788
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: One gives a ship.

789
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: That's where Cincinnati drops out hard. No way are we

790
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: supporting Drake? What about the singer Drake?

791
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: It's up to Grassy.

792
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only way I know you can't not

793
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: know that that. And then there was an Instagram picture

794
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,959
Speaker 2: where he piled up money where I was like, that's

795
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: not that cool.

796
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: What don't tell him? I said that, please, Stephen. You

797
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: know this is his favorite podcast.

798
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: Drake is crying at home alone in a bed of money.

799
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying so hard to get away from the grassy

800
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: dollar bill, thousand dollar bills.

801
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: I in infection, I infection. No one touches thousand dollar bills.

802
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Oh and when you're that richeet, it's all brand new.

803
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: B's brand new money. Sometimes you go down and you

804
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: exchange it at the mint, just if you feel like okay, yeah, good, okay,

805
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 2: boo okay.

806
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: From April nineteen eighty six until March twenty seven, Donald

807
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: kills twenty six patients. It's so many, uh huh, and

808
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: tries to kill several more by let me tell you.

809
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep name and names please do doesconnecting live

810
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: sport machines injecting air into veins, which is like the scare.

811
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: I hate that one so much. That's a bad one.

812
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: Who suffocation and injection of arsenic cyanide and petroleum based

813
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: based cleansers.

814
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: Say that one again.

815
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: No, is mace involved based petrol, troleum based cleansers. I

816
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: don't know what that is.

817
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: Neutrogena, what's wrong? I don't know. I tasted it.

818
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

819
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 4: I didn't look that one up.

820
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: Bikini killer.

821
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: Yes, they're like, do not use Noxima. It will fucking

822
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: kill your face back too.

823
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we're going back to the beginning of this awful

824
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: story of nineteen eighty seven. April Donald's like, yeah, I

825
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: killed that one motorcycle accident victim because I felt bad

826
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: for him. That's it. Bye. And so that same day,

827
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: though he had but ps. That same day, he had

828
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: also killed an eighty two year old woman, Hilda Leads,

829
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: by feeding her detach all with detachall, detachallcheta chall rss,

830
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: throw her gastric tube, and in her orange juice. So

831
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: he had killed two fucking people that day, and he's like, no,

832
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: I just killed that one.

833
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: Guys.

834
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: They felt bad for him, and then investigators like, great,

835
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna go look through your apartment. They find like

836
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds of cyanide.

837
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Narsenic made that number.

838
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 4: Up, but it was a lot.

839
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: They find so jars of because he was just bringing

840
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: it from home. He didn't even need to steal it anymore.

841
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: From the fucking He's got that tupperware lunchbox. It's got

842
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: all the different little size containers, our snacks in the

843
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: circular one. No, that's salad dressing and it's not deadly

844
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: at all.

845
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: They find that, they find books on the occult and

846
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: pois a detailed account of the murders, like don't do that, dude,

847
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: which he has written in a diary.

848
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 4: So they come back and they're like, look, listen.

849
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: We look and listen, something's up, bro, And they're in

850
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Ohio has the motherfucking death penalty, so you better, you

851
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: better start plea dealing, and he's like, okay, that's transcript.

852
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: On August eleventh, nineteen eighty seven, Harvey's thirty five sits

853
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: down with investigators and confess to committing thirty three murders

854
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: over the past seventeen years. Fuck at the day. The

855
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: days go on, though that number eventually grows to seventy.

856
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: He's just up in Chickatillo territory. It's crazy.

857
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: He said that the reason he got away with it

858
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: for seventeen years was that the doctors that doctors are

859
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: overworked and sometimes don't even see the patients after they die.

860
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: So he's also kind of blaming it on the hospitals

861
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: for not checking up on him.

862
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: And it's so weird.

863
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: And then you read there's like a list of every

864
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: single person he killed, and some of them are like, uh.

865
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: He says he's an angel of death and he's trying

866
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: to help them, and you know they're sick and dying

867
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: and he wants to save them. And some of them

868
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: you can see that they were actually sick and dying.

869
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he was trying to help them, but

870
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: some of them, but most of them were not. Yeah,

871
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: and he's a monster. They're like, I just had a

872
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: nice eye lift.

873
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: I was going to go live my life. Yeah, totally.

874
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: Although one of his ex boyfriends had said to him,

875
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: when I'm if I get sick and I am gonna

876
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: I'm dying, put me out of my misery, and.

877
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: He's like, on it, yeah, because I already am.

878
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: You've come to the and you want, like your loved

879
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: one to argue no, I would never, you know, but

880
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: he's like, great, I'll do it. You're like, oh shit.

881
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: Do you want air in your tube? Do you want

882
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: it really rotten?

883
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: Tea. By nineteen ninety eight, he had been convicted of

884
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: twenty eight counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder.

885
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: Total eventually that he would convicted of was thirty six

886
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: murders thirty five men, eleven women ranging an age from

887
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: forty two to ninety one, plus one conviction for intentional manslaughter.

888
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: He claimed to have killed eighty seven people. And there's

889
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: probably a lot that we'll never know, obviously, So up

890
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: until he was serving he got four life sentences, just four.

891
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Okay, he's serving them. What's up?

892
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: Then?

893
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 4: Back in March of this year, he's still alive.

894
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: Huh. That was like in the nineties, eight ninety eight.

895
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: Back in March of twenty seventeen, couple.

896
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 4: What's up?

897
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's sixty four years old. He's found beaten in

898
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: his cell at Toledo Collectional Institute in Toledo, Ohio. Shit, Toledo,

899
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: and he dies from his injuries two days later. Wow,

900
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: no assailant is ever identified. And that is your fucking

901
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: what's it called? Angel of death? Donald Harvey? Wow?

902
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: Heavy? When they interview those when I interviewed the prisoners

903
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: that beat him to death, they were like, no, no,

904
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: we were just putting him out of his misery.

905
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: Oh, it was very sickly. It's really weird because in

906
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: the documentary I did watch like he willingly. He's just

907
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: clearly so I don't know, it's so weird. He like

908
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: is interviewed for this documentary and he's like, yeah, I'll

909
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: tell you everything, like he really.

910
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 4: Wants the attention. Yeah, And he kept throughout.

911
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Every time you'd get in trouble in the past, he'd

912
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I killed a bunch of people, and

913
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: he was like he wanted to tell people and he

914
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: wanted attention for it so badly, and he was like,

915
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: I made this big mistake. If I hadn't done this thing,

916
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 1: it'd been fine. He's just like so weirdly lighthearted about it.

917
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: It's creepy as fuck. It's crazy and it looks like

918
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: a Brady the whole time.

919
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: Wow. That was amazing. Suck Wow.

920
00:48:50,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, thank you, Okay, we're back. Are there updates

921
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 6: for this? There is an update.

922
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: In May of twenty nineteen, the fellow inmate, James Elliott,

923
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: who was serving time for a series of burglaries, was

924
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: charged in Harvey's fatal prison beating that Toledo Correctional Institution.

925
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: It's so wild, go from burglaries to murder, like you've

926
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: got to wonder what happened. Elliott had reportedly sent letters

927
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: to The Blade saying he punched and stomped Harvey when

928
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: they were in his cell and so. On September twenty nineteen,

929
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: Elliott pleaded guilty to killing Harvey and was sentenced to

930
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: life in prison. Wow. All right, this is a great

931
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: example of how it's great to do the horrible story first,

932
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: and then the next story.

933
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: Take that left turn.

934
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, close on a good story, because we're about to

935
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: get into one of the all time greats, Karen's story

936
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: about the Circleville letter writer.

937
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the Circleville letter writer. Do you know

938
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: this one?

939
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: You don't know? Is it the one with the you

940
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: know what? You should tell it to me? Okay, you

941
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 1: guess it.

942
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 2: Okay, for as long as you can.

943
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm always it the Circleville letter writer. Yeah, my god,

944
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: yes I know that one.

945
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: No, I don't, Oh my god, Oh my gun.

946
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

947
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 2: Here's the best part about this is when so I

948
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 2: thought for a one day that I was going to

949
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: do the horrible murder of Dimebag Darryl from Panterah and

950
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: Day Much Plan, And when I started reading this second story,

951
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: it was so awful. And then I emailed my friend

952
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: Brian Possain, who's a stand up comic, hilarious stand up comic,

953
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: O say, friends with them, huge metal fan, No, but

954
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: he's he I've known him since I was twenty and

955
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: he is the hugest like metal fan in the world.

956
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: So I was like, hey, got me any you know,

957
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: insider tips on Dimebag Daryl's death before I knew anything

958
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: about it, and he wrote me back one of the

959
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: saddest emails that I've ever read, where he was just

960
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: like it was so fucked. It affected the metal community

961
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 2: so badly. All of my friends that are in metal

962
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: bands think about it before every time they go on stage.

963
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: It like we always do a cheers to him once

964
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: a year on the anniversary year of his deck, and

965
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: I was like lightly crying in my hotel room, like

966
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: I have to.

967
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Change my murder and he's like, well, thanks for bringing

968
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah exactly.

969
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: But it was also very sweet because he was like

970
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: I was like, thank you for that insight information. He's like,

971
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: I just want regular people to know that, like metal

972
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 2: fans aren't gross and we really have feelings and care.

973
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: It was the sweetest and yet saddest thing in the world.

974
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: I know. I love it. So the Circleville letter writer, Uh,

975
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 2: so fascinating And luckily and amazingly, there is a Dennis

976
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: Farina hosted Unsolved Murder Unsolved Mysteries about it. Okay, and

977
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: it's the first one on that episode, so you know

978
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 2: it's a good story.

979
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I don't think I know it then, because I think

980
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: the one I was thinking is newer.

981
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's do this. Okay, let's do this thing.

982
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: So but the way I found it was then I

983
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: had to go after I abandoned the Pantera murder. Uh

984
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 2: that's the see that's inaccurate. He was in damage plan.

985
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: Do you see? Do you see how much I could

986
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: fuck that up? I went online and they actually found

987
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: an article that entitled the Mysterious and Unsolved five Columbus

988
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: Mysteries worthy of a podcast.

989
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you couldn't have sent that my way.

990
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 7: I know.

991
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: No.

992
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: I took them all to myself. You're to them all

993
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: right now.

994
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: Mine.

995
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: It was written by a guy named Zoe Miller and

996
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 2: his bio and his Do you know that guy? It's

997
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: a great it's a great article. Please tell him I

998
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: liked it. Oh.

999
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Can I give a shout out really quickly to my article?

1000
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, no, it's okay. Get in there, Steven. Can

1001
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: you cut this and paste it up top.

1002
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: We're kind of like, I'm really excited to tell you

1003
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: guys about this. I found a lot of information from

1004
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: murder Pedia first, but from the article from serial killer

1005
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: Calendar dot com.

1006
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks guys, serial Killer Calendar.

1007
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if they do Staria Kilary Day. I don't know,

1008
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: love you cool?

1009
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, now we're back in Okay, So Steven right here.

1010
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: Zoe Miller on his bio on this the Columbus Navigator website,

1011
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: who he wrote this article for, he said. In his bio,

1012
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: he says that he struggles daily with his addiction to cats.

1013
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: I thought you'd like.

1014
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: To know, Yeah, hi, I do choo friend. Oh man.

1015
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: But most of the information that we're about to hear

1016
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: came from a local journalist named Martin Yant, who reported

1017
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 2: on this story. Right the answer in the back row?

1018
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: What up? He did all the work and was kind

1019
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: of there for this whole story, and he's also live

1020
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: in the Unsolved Mysteries, so it's very cool. So you

1021
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: can see him as docking Head when you look up

1022
00:53:54,520 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 2: that episode. Okay, So Circleville, Ohio is all city twenty

1023
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: five miles.

1024
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: South of here.

1025
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: It the thank you. The population is around well, I

1026
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: got on the Circleville Pumpkin Show website. Truly one of

1027
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 2: the most beautiful and informative websites I've ever seen, no joke.

1028
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: So every year they have the Circleville Pumpkin Show.

1029
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: Oh I love pumpkins.

1030
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: So on the Circleville Pumpkins Show website, it says they're

1031
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 2: the population of Circleville is around twelve thousand. Other websites

1032
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: said fourteen. If circles, Circleville says twelve. It's fucking twelve.

1033
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 2: So every year the third Wednesday through Sunday at October

1034
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: they have the Circleville Pumpkin Show. Oh my god, yes,

1035
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: cheer for it every time. This year it is from

1036
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: October seventeenth to the twentieth. So as of today, two

1037
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six days. Shit, it's a countdown, Antown.

1038
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: There's a countdown on the website. Love it, fucking love it.

1039
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Beautifully designed website everything's in a little square, so easy

1040
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: to navigate. The Fall Festival has one hundred thousand visitors

1041
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: a day.

1042
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: I want all the snacks. What do you think they have? Okay,

1043
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.

1044
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: There's pictures on the fucking website. Are there corn dogs?

1045
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: Of course they have corn dogs there.

1046
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 4: Pumpkin flavored food.

1047
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the whole point.

1048
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like pumpkin, like a pumpkin flavor.

1049
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: Yes, girl, this is squad Gord's times five hundred right,

1050
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: that's where they have pumpkin fucking arts and crash shit.

1051
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: There's a really cute picture. Somebody remember those like weird

1052
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: collages you made, like in kindergarten where it's like little

1053
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: pieces of paper in different colors and you glue it.

1054
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: To a thing.

1055
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: And because you were so young, that was how you

1056
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: made art. So it was like your teacher made the pumpkin.

1057
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: Then you were just like pieces.

1058
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: Of paper with glue. They have like a wall of

1059
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 2: those on the website the kids. Those are arts and

1060
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 2: crafts for drunk adults. Of course it would be so good.

1061
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: Everybody has a glue on their face. Uh. There's rides, cool,

1062
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: full on rides cool. There's as I said arts and

1063
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: Crass's plays, and then of course, one lucky young lady

1064
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: will be named Miss Pumpkin Show twenty eighteen. Which if

1065
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: that is a beauty contest where you're the most beautiful,

1066
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: if you're the most shaped like a pumpkin, fucking I

1067
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: want it already, I already, I'm in it. And if

1068
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: you have like kind of widely spaced teeth, I'm in

1069
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: fucking I am Miss Pumpkin Show every day. And on

1070
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: top of everything, there's a fucking giant pumpkin contest, Am

1071
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: I right? Oh my god, oh my god.

1072
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Check it out.

1073
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: Here's last year's winners. In the center. You have Cecil Weston.

1074
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 2: He's a champion. That fucking pumpkin weighed one thousand, seven

1075
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 2: hundred and one pounds. Oh my gosh, Cecil nailed that shit.

1076
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: What do you think he was putting in the ground.

1077
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: But then second place that's Bella liggett Uh Ella Hers.

1078
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: She was only two hundred pounds behind with a fifteen

1079
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two pounds pumpkin. Then, of course over

1080
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: there you know Mark hoffheins his his pumpkin was one

1081
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: one hundred fifty five point five pounds.

1082
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 1: Shit, Yeah, you gotta love the fucking lady who breaks

1083
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: into the pumpkin business. Oh you know, everyone knows what

1084
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: a fucking masculine thing it is.

1085
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 2: It's the pumpkin show business. It's very toxic. And Bella's like,

1086
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: fuck it, this is my dream. Yeah, you you can't

1087
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: keep me down. I'm my pumpkin is humongous and none

1088
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: of you can change it. It's just a fact.

1089
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: You cannot shame me out of this contest. No, And

1090
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: then it turned out that was there scandal.

1091
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, she tried to She tried to hit Cecil in

1092
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: the knees. Now just go.

1093
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: She fucking Tanya.

1094
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 2: Harding Cecil right before. And then someone's like, Bella, it's

1095
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: the pumpkins that get weighed. It's not about it's not

1096
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: about his skating. Wow, that was a roller coaster. Fuck,

1097
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: they have roller coasters. They have roller coasters and the

1098
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: zipper and it's right there on the street. It's just crazy.

1099
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: So you could like live here. And then there's just

1100
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: like a fucking Farris reel in your front yard. Did

1101
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: you just say Ferris reel?

1102
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: Farris reel? That's my nute.

1103
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: My dunters are just kicking in right now. So Circleville

1104
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: is famous for the pumpkin Show. I love that they

1105
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: call it a show and not a contest or a festival. Hey,

1106
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, get out, get out of my slide show.

1107
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm it's okay. I have to control everyday.

1108
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: What didn't you like about the pumpkins still being there?

1109
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: I wanted to look at it.

1110
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 2: You're trying to keep yourself from turning all the way around.

1111
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: You don't even know what you said after Okay, let's

1112
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: just look at them one last time. How did they

1113
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 1: get them there?

1114
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: Where are they from? Or any of these people sponsored

1115
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: by like the people that grow fake foods.

1116
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a huge accusation, Karen, are you okay? What you're

1117
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: talking about?

1118
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: Uh?

1119
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: What's what is it called when they take steroids?

1120
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like, uh, when foods take steroids?

1121
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: No, when people take steroids, don't scandal choicing?

1122
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: Thank you. We look over and it's this one of

1123
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: the huge muscles in the front. The answer. It's called juicing.

1124
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: Gun show, gun show.

1125
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: So like that, I screamed what into a crowd of

1126
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: what did you say?

1127
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: That's what happened last night? Last name in Cleveland. We

1128
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: started talking about one city that we're afraid to say

1129
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: because we're gonna mispronounce it, and the entire audience just

1130
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: immediately started yelling out names of cities they thought we

1131
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: couldn't pronounce. It was the weirdest thing and so fucking hilarious.

1132
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: We're like, first of all, we can't understand what anyone

1133
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: is saying.

1134
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: And then raised her hand.

1135
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, real polite and said koya hoga, which was like,

1136
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: fuck you, I'm.

1137
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: How to say that? It was? It was chili coffee? Yeah,

1138
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: what are they who spelled that?

1139
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 2: Initially? The fuck? Okay, I was gonna call it chilicote.

1140
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: Luckily I didn't. So Circle is famous for its pumpkins.

1141
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: Look at them, No, look at them. They are larger

1142
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 2: than anything you've ever seen. I guess because I was

1143
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 2: raised because I.

1144
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: Did four each as a child.

1145
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: And then we would go to the fair. Right then,

1146
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: you go to the fair every summer, you go to

1147
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: the county fair. We'd live at the fair for a

1148
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,959
Speaker 2: week and you fucking walk around as like well, because

1149
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 2: it was the seventies, so you'd be like a seven

1150
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 2: year old walking around the fair alone, like, oh, look

1151
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: a pumpkin display.

1152
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'll look at this for half an hour.

1153
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: Oh mean, where's my mother? Just not around? Okay, back

1154
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: of the RV, she said, please don't bother her until dusk.

1155
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: Again.

1156
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 2: Pumpkinshow dot com for any of your pumpkin needs. So

1157
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: Circleville is famous for the Pumpkin Show, but it's also

1158
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 2: famous for one of the weirdest unsolved mysteries on the globe.

1159
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: I put that I don't know if it's true.

1160
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you got to decide that if it's

1161
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: true to you or not.

1162
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 2: I get to decide in this moment, second only to

1163
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: crop circles.

1164
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 4: Yep, I haven't solved those yet.

1165
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: Now it's the okay, so this is so amazing. So

1166
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, why did I skip to this

1167
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: next page? And there's so much information on this one?

1168
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh I put parentheses Paul Winfield in.

1169
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 7: This sleepy burg circo villain Huh. In the shittizens begin

1170
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 7: getting letters in the mail. Uh, They're all the letters

1171
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 7: are written in block print. They all are from an

1172
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 7: anonymous source. There's no return address.

1173
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: On any of them.

1174
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: They all have the postmark from Columbus.

1175
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: Or most of them do. Later on the that changes

1176
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 2: a little bit. But and they all contain personal information

1177
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: about the recipient, sometimes that only the recipient knows. So

1178
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: Mary Gillespie, as you remember, is a citizen, but a

1179
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: school bus driver, a wife, a mother of two. Uh,

1180
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: and she receives Some places say it's the first letter,

1181
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: but it sounds like they all went out the same time,

1182
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: and people reading these letters got so weirded out and

1183
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: sometimes scared they weren't saying anything because basically, and I think,

1184
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: what's to me amazing about this story is it's kind

1185
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: of like, uh, it's like people using gossip as the

1186
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: ultimate weapon, you know what I mean, It's like all

1187
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: this it's the thing that you fear, Like, what do

1188
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: you fear most? God, bless you, what do you fear?

1189
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: Mine is the plague? I fear that the most. Yeah,

1190
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: but that guy was covered.

1191
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 2: That sounds like he used to his whole arm and

1192
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: his leg to cover. We really appreciate that, sir, Thank you,

1193
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: sir or ma'am. If you're very shit? What if she

1194
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: could be very sick? I kept thinking about it as

1195
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: I was writing this up, of like, what would you

1196
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: if you open a letter that said I know that

1197
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: you blankety blink blank blank whatever, and you're reading it

1198
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: in block weird block handwriting, just starting to sweat, and

1199
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: you just fold it up and put it away, like, Okay,

1200
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: we'll see where this goes. Like that's what's happening in

1201
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: the town a Circleville, a town of twelve hundred people

1202
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: at the time, eleven I mean thousand, eleven thousand people

1203
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: but still tiny. Right, Everybody knows everybody's business, everybody knows

1204
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: each other. So it's such a like it's such a

1205
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 2: like live live ammo thing that's happening.

1206
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: So it's so threatening too. It's because like I don't

1207
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: just know this. I'm like letting you know, but I know.

1208
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: And I want to do something about it. So that's

1209
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: part of it. So she gets her letter and inside

1210
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: it says so it's in block writing, and I have

1211
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: it here. It says, stay away from Massy, don't lie

1212
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: one question about knowing him.

1213
01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: I know where you live.

1214
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: I've been a observing your house and know you have children.

1215
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: This is no joke. Please take it serious, bad grammar.

1216
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: Everyone concerned has been notified and everything will be over soon. Horrifying, terrifying,

1217
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: so scary, scared. Tell me your worst secret right now.

1218
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't have any no, I don't have really, because

1219
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 2: here's Charlotte.

1220
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no. So the Massy that is.

1221
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 2: Being spoken of at the top of this is the

1222
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: superintendent of schools, Massy uh Renee. I don't know his

1223
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: first name, it's superintendent of schools.

1224
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: So it's a good thing he went to that business.

1225
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: It's all one superintendent of schools. That's an Icelandic name,

1226
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 2: Massy uh I couldn't find. It's kind of I actually

1227
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: it made me kind of happy because I couldn't find

1228
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: pictures of Mary Gillaspie. I couldn't find pictures of the

1229
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: superintendent of school's Massy. But I did find this. I

1230
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: swear to god, this is a real book cover on Amazon.

1231
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god. This guy, Meryl Massey wrote a book

1232
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: entitled so.

1233
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: You want to be super?

1234
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god, why don't we all have books? If

1235
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: it's this easy, we can. If you know photoshop, you can't.

1236
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1237
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Merrill had anything to do with this.

1238
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: We don't know Merle.

1239
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: Meryl Merle, right, who knows, Let's ask him. Come on,

1240
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 2: he's up in the balcony, red cheeks.

1241
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh shit, not this again, keeps sneezing into his arm.

1242
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: He's allergic to secrets, okay, So of course she's nervous

1243
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: about the letter, but she doesn't say anything. She just

1244
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: puts away and then she gets another one and she's

1245
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 2: just like trying to handle it, trying to be calm.

1246
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 2: Uh So then the next letter that the family receives

1247
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: goes to her husband, Ron, and it's the same block

1248
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: lettering the same basic info info. And I'm not sure

1249
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: if it's because it's such a small town, but in

1250
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 2: that first letter on the envelope, but just said Mary

1251
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: Gillespie RT.

1252
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: Circlesville, Circleville, Ohio.

1253
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: Sorry Circleville, Ohio, because you like, no address, no zip code, Like, yeah,

1254
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: I know, we know her. Yeah she lives over there,

1255
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: which is great for secrets, you know what I mean.

1256
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 2: So his letter is exactly the same, and he based

1257
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: and his the first letter basically says, uh, put an

1258
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: end to your wife's affair or die. So it's like

1259
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: directly threatening his life. So he confronts Mary and then

1260
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 2: she shows him her letters. She says, she swears there's

1261
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: no affair happening. They so they try to go, okay,

1262
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: well this something's weird happening, but let's just deal with

1263
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 2: it and go on with their lives. Then Ron gets

1264
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: a second letter and it says I'm not sure if

1265
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 2: I have this whey or not. It says, Gillespie, you

1266
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 2: have had two weeks and done nothing. Admit the truth

1267
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: and form a school board. If not, I will broadcast

1268
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: it on CBS, on posters, signs, and billboards until the

1269
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 2: truth comes out. Oh oh, Steven. There are some people

1270
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: who thought, because of the block lettering that he said

1271
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: I will broadcast it on CBS, But there is no

1272
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 2: way for a letter writer from Circleville, Ohio to get

1273
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 2: this information onto the network. In nineteen seventy seven, they

1274
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 2: were much more of a you know, all in the

1275
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: family type of situation. So they believe that the right

1276
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: or meant CB's okay anyway. So that Ron and Mary

1277
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: are fucking panicking, right, this is getting very serious. So

1278
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: they invite Ron's sister and her husband, Paul Freshauer, to

1279
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: come over and they show them the letters and they

1280
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 2: try to make a plan. They think they know who

1281
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: sent the letters, and so what they decide to do

1282
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: is we should, you know, the gillusspies should send a

1283
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: threatening letter back to that person. Uh huh oh, yeah,

1284
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: that's right, Pumpkin Justice, get ready for it. Well, it

1285
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 2: seems like it works because everything goes quiet for a

1286
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, and then on the night of August nineteenth,

1287
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, the phone rings at the Glesbie's house

1288
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 2: and Ron answers and he gets into a fight with

1289
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: someone on the phone. So Mary doesn't know exactly what

1290
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: happened because you didn't hear anything exactly, but he basically

1291
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: slammed down the phone and rushed out of the house,

1292
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: grabbed his handgun on the way, got into his truck

1293
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: and raced off and almost immediately, like moments away from

1294
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 2: their house, ran into a tree and was killed. Yeah,

1295
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 2: So when the sheriff inspects the scene, they find the

1296
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: handgun that he brought with him, and some articles they

1297
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: argue this point. But some say that between the house

1298
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 2: and that car accident that was moments later, the handgun

1299
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 2: was fired once, but there nobody heard the gunshots. There

1300
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: is no proof that the bullet landed anywhere that anyone

1301
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 2: could find, And there's some articles that say there's no

1302
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 2: way to prove that that handgun didn't get fired sometime before,

1303
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: but at first that's what they thought. So the sheriff

1304
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: inspects the scene and he declares that it that it

1305
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: is a foul that the foul play is probably involved

1306
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 2: from what they're looking at. But then he the sheriff

1307
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 2: suddenly changes his stance and says that Ron's blood alcohol

1308
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: level was twice the legal limit point one point six.

1309
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 2: Therefore it was an accidental death, that basically he caused himself.

1310
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 2: But the family and friends of Ron Gillespie are just like,

1311
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 2: he didn't drink. He was not a big drink, and

1312
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: he wasn't drunk like the kids are saying they remember

1313
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: him leaving the house, he was not drunk, So that

1314
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: him having a really hot, really high blood alcohol level

1315
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: makes absolutely no sense at all. But that's what the

1316
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 2: official report is, and so therefore the case is closed.

1317
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 2: It's an accidental death. Move on. So the now the

1318
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: circleville writer does not like. Letter writer doesn't like this,

1319
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: and so a bunch of letters get sent out saying

1320
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: that this the sheriff the accusing the sheriff of a

1321
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 2: cover up, saying don't allow this to happen, and basically saying,

1322
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: don't fall for this. This is a cover up, and

1323
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 2: Mary continues to get letters threatening her about the affair,

1324
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 2: until she finally breaks down and admits that, yes, she

1325
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 2: actually was having an affair with the superintendent of schools,

1326
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 2: but she says that the affairs started after the letters came.

1327
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 2: Mm hm, honey, just.

1328
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: It just she just it threw her into his arms. Yeah,

1329
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: she was so upset.

1330
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: The stress of being accused of this insane thing made

1331
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: me do it. It made me go from being totally

1332
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: innocent of that thing too, actually just doing the thing.

1333
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 2: You know how letters are making you do shit. But

1334
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 2: she was in this horrible position, right because it's this

1335
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: tiny town. Everyone's already talking shit about her because she's

1336
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: the woman who's having the affair, and that's what all

1337
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 2: everybody knows, what's in that letter at this point. Then

1338
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: her husband is killed in this very suspicious car accident.

1339
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 2: Suddenly he's a drunk. He was drunk driving like she is,

1340
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, in the eye of the storm here. So

1341
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure she was just trying to like make her

1342
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: life make sense a little bit and be like fine,

1343
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 2: But I mean she's you know, it would have been

1344
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: a horrible position. But she goes back to work, she's

1345
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: driving the bus again, and one day in nineteen eighty three,

1346
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: and the letters keep coming. The letters don't stop to

1347
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 2: her and people all around the area, the region. So

1348
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: one day, as she's driving her school bus route, signs

1349
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 2: start popping up along the street, and one of them

1350
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: this is the Stephens This is Stephen's pull from the

1351
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries episode that I don't know if you can

1352
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: see it. Y Gillespie's suck.

1353
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: Tracy Gillespie sucks.

1354
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: Whoa, Oh, it was Bart Simpson. Now in all the

1355
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: things that I read, the sign that was put up

1356
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: was very threatening about Tracy. Some say lude, some say threatening.

1357
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: Tracy Gillespie sucks is not.

1358
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: That big of a deal.

1359
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: So I think that the producers were like, let's not

1360
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: write anything bad about Tracy Gillespie anymore.

1361
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,560
Speaker 1: So they this was their This is their way of

1362
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: sugarcoating it.

1363
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: Because I would laugh my ass off if I drove

1364
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: by sign. That's a good amazing. I would have loved

1365
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,799
Speaker 2: my name on a sign anyway. Karen kilgarrets suck.

1366
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: They're talking about me.

1367
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: But of course Mary sees this. It's like her family

1368
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 2: once again, in you know, Getting in the Lime Night,

1369
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: she pulls the school bus over. She walks over, and

1370
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: she starts ripping down the sign.

1371
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:21,839
Speaker 1: Oh girl, can you imagine?

1372
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 2: Well, as she's ripping down the sign, she sees there's

1373
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: a string attached to the sign, and she follows the

1374
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 2: string back behind. A couple leads no, she does. You

1375
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: can say no all you want. It's still happening, and

1376
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 2: hidden is there's this box. She fucking yanks the box down.

1377
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:42,759
Speaker 1: What is this goonies?

1378
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 3: What?

1379
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: What is this goonies? And inside there's stragure.

1380
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: There's a booby trap the end it is a booby trap.

1381
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: She pulls the box down, she takes it home. In

1382
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: the Unsolved Mysteries thing, they made it hurt. They showed

1383
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: that she did it right there on the school us,

1384
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 2: which she, in truth, did not do. She drove home

1385
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: with it, and at this point the police had already

1386
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:09,560
Speaker 2: shown her how to deal with evidence and how to like,

1387
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, treat it and touch it and bring it

1388
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: to them, and she's just like, what the.

1389
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: Fuck is this box?

1390
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,799
Speaker 4: Let me put my fingerprints all over.

1391
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: This, damn it.

1392
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: So she gets home, opens the box. There's a gun

1393
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 2: pointing at her. So this was a booby trap. When

1394
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: she went to pull the sign down. She was supposed

1395
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: to yank it in a way that would just shoot

1396
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: her as she was standing there, but it didn't. The

1397
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: gun didn't go off. So she gives all of it

1398
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 2: to the cops, and the serial number on the gun

1399
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: is rubbed off. But they're like, we can our people

1400
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 2: can look at this and figure out what the serial

1401
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 2: number is. Mary's like, great, I don't know if that happened.

1402
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: I left my place on the page. So basically, when

1403
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: they get the results back, everyone shocked because the gun

1404
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: belongs to her brother in law Fresh Hour. Now, when

1405
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: I say fresh Hour, you're gonna think of soap. You're

1406
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 2: gonna think of.

1407
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: But actually he is.

1408
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: He is a man who has an airtight alibi about

1409
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 2: the day that this booby trapped sign went up. But

1410
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 2: it was his gun, and he said it went missing

1411
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: long ago. He hadn't known about it, hadn't seen it

1412
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: in a really long time.

1413
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: In the old missing gun, right, you know that thing

1414
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: where you.

1415
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 2: Buy a gun and then it just slips your mind

1416
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: and it goes missing, but you don't report it.

1417
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1418
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 2: I think I threw it under my pillow. So so

1419
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 2: what the police do is this sweet ass early eighties

1420
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: police work. They have him, They say, can you copy

1421
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: this letter? Can you write the way this the Circleville

1422
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: letter writer writes? And he's like, well, sure, give it

1423
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 2: a shot, officer, and fucking copies out one of the

1424
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 2: letters samples that they have there. And then why would

1425
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: you do that? Why would you do that? I mean, okay,

1426
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: because you're just like okay, because he basically went in

1427
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 2: and was like, I've got an airtight ALII and I

1428
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 2: didn't do it, so I'm here to tell you what

1429
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: you need to know.

1430
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: He does the thing.

1431
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 2: They're like, well, this is amazing because you've got the

1432
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 2: same penmanship as the Circleville letter writer. So but you're

1433
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 2: under arrest, be it.

1434
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 4: Oh god, this table's gonna fucking write.

1435
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: They told him to copy it though.

1436
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's a really good copier.

1437
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: He's a really good copier of the most insane block

1438
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: letters in the world. Let's see by you know, but

1439
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean, oh wait, sorry, this is one of the

1440
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 2: only letters that where the writing looks like this just

1441
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: super nuts, uh huh. And there are some theories that

1442
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: there's more. Do you want to be a superintendent?

1443
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: How many people in here have already Amazon thought this book.

1444
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: People are just like, way down low, I've got to

1445
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: get it. Follow your dreams, Follow your dreams right now,

1446
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: all fresh Hour, my garm disappeared.

1447
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: That's maybe it's in my mustache. That's Stephen when he

1448
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: lets himself go in age sixty five. Sorry, Stephen, I'm sorry.

1449
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: You're gonna be so mad, Steven. Here's the okay, Oh

1450
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: that's really what most of them look like, crazy ass

1451
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: zodiac style block letters. The Sikas will pay. But also

1452
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 2: don't read that one. But we'll go back a little bit.

1453
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: Should we go back to where are we going? Let's

1454
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 2: go to Pumpkins. But I just wanted to see where

1455
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: it's basically a lot of people think the way the

1456
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: way it's written, it's somebody trying to cover up, so

1457
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 2: nobody recognizes their handwriting obviously, Okay. So on October twenty fourth,

1458
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three, Paul fresh Hour stands trial and in court,

1459
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: a handwriting expert testifies that the handwriting and Paul's station

1460
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 2: house copied letter matches the handwriting and all the circle

1461
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: of the letters, and he is found guilty of attempted murder,

1462
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: and the judge hands down the maximum sentence of seven

1463
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: to twenty five years for attempted murder. I wouldn't clap

1464
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: because even while Paul Fresh hours in prison, the letters

1465
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: keep coming, and they're sent to people, they're sent to

1466
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 2: hundreds of people they're sent to. Sometimes they contain lude pictures.

1467
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're very directly threatening, really angry, really mean, and

1468
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: sometimes they're typed even.

1469
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: And but hmmm, oh.

1470
01:19:56,280 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: Sorry, what and so the prison authorities can't figure out

1471
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: since they thank Paul freshaur's the Circleville letter writer, this

1472
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: is they're like, every time he has a visitor, they

1473
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: strip search him before he goes into the room, and

1474
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 2: then after he comes out they never find anything. And

1475
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: also they don't understand how he's getting it's they're still

1476
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 2: almost always postmark from Columbus. But the prison he's in

1477
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: was in a different city, so you'd be having he'd

1478
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: have to be giving them to somebody who would take

1479
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 2: them to Columbus.

1480
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: The typewriting thing can't imagine there's a time the typewriter's

1481
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: in prison.

1482
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: He's got one hidden behind a poster of a forties actress. Okay,

1483
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: so then he receives Paul receives his own Circleville letter

1484
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: writer letter in jail, and it says all caps. Now,

1485
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: when are you going to believe? You aren't going to

1486
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 2: get out of there? I told you two years ago

1487
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 2: when we set them up, they stay set up. Don't

1488
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: you listen at all?

1489
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: You don't From what I remember that night, I didn't

1490
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: buy it then either.

1491
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 2: Paul fresh Hour ends up serving ten years in prison

1492
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 2: for attempted murder. He's released on May in May of

1493
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Oh we can take a look at

1494
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: his face.

1495
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: Stay them.

1496
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: And by then reports of threatening letters have basically stopped

1497
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: in Circleville, and Paul maintains his innocence until his death

1498
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. So, six months after his release from prison,

1499
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries hosted by Dennis Frena The New Ones, they

1500
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: decide to do a story on the Circleville letter Writer,

1501
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 2: and then a couple of days after it airs, they

1502
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 2: get a letter from the Circle letter writer. That's right,

1503
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 2: it's this one, and forget Circleville, Ohio. If you come

1504
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:59,520
Speaker 2: to Ohio you l sickos will pay, signed the Circleville

1505
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: letter writer.

1506
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: Was this when he was when fresh Hour was dead already?

1507
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 3: No?

1508
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 2: Okay, this was in nineteen ninety four or five. Essentially,

1509
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: what I like and what I find interesting is that

1510
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: the Circle of the Letter Writer uses Colon's four periods,

1511
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 2: and in my mind I picture them in doing this

1512
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 2: crazy rage writing and at the end of every sentence

1513
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 2: they're like that, I'm done, Like one period isn't enough

1514
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: for the Circle of the Letter Writer?

1515
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah done. You just have to find the person

1516
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: who screams the last word of every sentence.

1517
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: Yes, and you found them.

1518
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

1519
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: Who was that loud lady at the grocery store? And

1520
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: what's awesome is the introduction Denis Rna does at the

1521
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: beginning of that episode of Unsolved Mysteries.

1522
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: He's like, we got our own letter too, but we're

1523
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: not going to.

1524
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:57,799
Speaker 2: Be scared off, okay, I mean loving him, loving him actively.

1525
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: So at the end of that episode, Paul fresh Hour

1526
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 2: actually says that he just wants justice for his family.

1527
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 2: Even though the Gillespies aren't his family anymore. They'd been

1528
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 2: divorced and he'd been remarried. He has his own new family,

1529
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 2: he still wants them to reopen the case of Ron

1530
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: Gillespie's car accident, and he wants to find out what

1531
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: really happened, which is a really beautiful thing. At the

1532
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: end of that, it's not like he's all bitter and pissed,

1533
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: or if he is, he saved it.

1534
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,599
Speaker 1: He saved it for off camera.

1535
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 2: So, over roughly a twenty year span, the Circle of

1536
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 2: a letter writer wrote and sent over one thousand letters

1537
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,759
Speaker 2: to the people in and around circle.

1538
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: Lase, let's get a hobby. Well, I guess that is

1539
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: a hobby. It's a lot of stamp money.

1540
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 2: It's what's interesting is the penmanship never improves. Okay, So

1541
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: the epilogue to this, which I think is fascinating. So

1542
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 2: local journalist Martin Yet who reported on this the whole time,

1543
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 2: he went and looked into the case. He went and

1544
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 2: looked in the sheriff's files and found that there was

1545
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: evidence there that was never introduced in court. And it's

1546
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 2: the story that the other bus driver who had this

1547
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: shift I guess before Mary's, on that school bus route,

1548
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 2: told her that she had driven the route twenty minutes

1549
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: before Mary had when she saw the sign about Racy

1550
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 2: Gillspie's and the sign when she drove by that same

1551
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: spot there was no sign, but there was a large,

1552
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,959
Speaker 2: sandy haired man who had a orangish yellow el camino

1553
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 2: who when the bus went by, he turned away and

1554
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: pretended to be peeing, And she thinks so that they

1555
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 2: couldn't identify him, and martin Ant says that if the

1556
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: sheriff had looked into that, if they had had followed up,

1557
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: they would have found out that one of their possible

1558
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 2: suspects in the case had brother who had a yellowish

1559
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 2: orange oh commando, oh shit, and love to pee in bushes.

1560
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: That's right, And so that is the as yet unsolved

1561
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 2: case of the Circleville letter.

1562
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:19,679
Speaker 1: Wow, crazy, thank you for that was amazing.

1563
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, sorry, sorry, look at that gorgeous tent.

1564
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: What did you press?

1565
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:28,799
Speaker 1: Sorry?

1566
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: The tech guy's pissed. He's like, look I went to

1567
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 2: see the reality. Shit, it's none of your business.

1568
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 4: Well, the show's over.

1569
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: I guess shit, we blew up the projector. Oh no, damn, okay, okay,

1570
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: we're back, Karen. Do you have any updates?

1571
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Well, here's an interesting update. The TV show forty eight

1572
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: Hours re examined this case in twenty twenty one, and

1573
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:01,600
Speaker 2: a forensic document expert now believes the Fresher was the

1574
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: Circleville letter writer, although there are experts and people close

1575
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: to the case who question that conclusion. No one's ever

1576
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 2: been charged with writing these letters, and CBS reports that

1577
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 2: the Pickaway County Sheriff's office considers this case closed. You

1578
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: can watch that episode of forty eight Hours on CBS

1579
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 2: dot Com or Paramount Plus. But if you want to

1580
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: know the kind of the details and why they think that,

1581
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: you can go watch that episode.

1582
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: Or you can watch my episode of Drunk History aka

1583
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: Drunk Mystery of the Circleville Letters. Remember, oh, I forgot that.

1584
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 1: Go watch Georgia tell this story the Drunk Mystery episode.

1585
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: So it's drunks. It's Drunk History, season five, episode seven.

1586
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: And I had done it before you did this story,

1587
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize till halfway through the story that

1588
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: I had. I was so drunk that night that I

1589
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: did the Drunk History that I didn't remember what story

1590
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I told. I think is like a good example of

1591
01:26:58,120 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: what that show is.

1592
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, you do get blackout drunk and have to

1593
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 2: be guided through. It's hilarious.

1594
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: It's a good episode. The girl who plays the main

1595
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: character is Vanessa Bayer, who I see at party sometimes

1596
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: and I try to like make her be my best

1597
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: friend because like she had my voice, you know, she

1598
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: did my voice. We're in the episode together in my

1599
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: mind and she's like, right, ah, get away from me.

1600
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 1: You're scaring me.

1601
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: There's that girl again. All right, Well that's amazing. Also,

1602
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 2: I think the other update is just I do believe

1603
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,799
Speaker 2: that the Pumpkin Festival is still going strong.

1604
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: We still have to go.

1605
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: I spent so much time talking about that legendary thing.

1606
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sad that we haven't gone yet.

1607
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're gonna go back to the live

1608
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 2: show and listen to the hometown that Georgia picked that night.

1609
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: I think we have time. Yeah, we have time for murder.

1610
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 1: But no pointing yet, no pointing yet, Yes, dave it.

1611
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 2: Karen has to tell you some stuff.

1612
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: This is important.

1613
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 2: These rules. These are for you and us and Asthmas,

1614
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: mostly us. Okay, you know the ones like you can't

1615
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: read it, and you can't be so drunk you can't

1616
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: tell it, and it needs to be local. We don't

1617
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: want to hear about shit that happened in Tennessee.

1618
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: Ohio would be great, right yeah, yeah, state state wide,

1619
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: and everyone hates you.

1620
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 2: Okay, you have to remember that if you get picked,

1621
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 2: everyone else in the room hates you so fucking that's

1622
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 2: not the time to shout out all your cousins and

1623
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 2: stuff like. Just get up here and tell your story

1624
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 2: like you are on a clock because you are ready.

1625
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 3: Go.

1626
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm picking up picking thick picking.

1627
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: I get the lights up a little bit.

1628
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 2: Whoa, she looks mad at you?

1629
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: You here in the leather? Yeah or whatever that jacket is. Yes,

1630
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:52,959
Speaker 1: go to this sweight event, all right, don't.

1631
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Be mad at her.

1632
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you gonna turn the lights up?

1633
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Sure, those lights on?

1634
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Please freak out?

1635
01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: Bye?

1636
01:28:58,880 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 5: Hi?

1637
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: What's your name, sir?

1638
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: What's hi? My name's Lauren.

1639
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 2: Hi, Come on here, Lauren. Hi, fancy pants?

1640
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: You have fancy pants?

1641
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 8: Can I say that I bought this bow tie specifically.

1642
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: For the Showy because it's from the Shiney.

1643
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 8: I love you it.

1644
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 2: Can I tell you a secret or it's not. It's

1645
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 2: an open secret. But this is the pattern on the

1646
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 2: back of my album cover. Oh that's right, Hi, high

1647
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 2: five everybody? Sorry that was about me. Where are you from?

1648
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm from Cincinnati, born and raised.

1649
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 2: They love Cincinnati.

1650
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: Now living here in Columbus. Oh okay, yes, little little

1651
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: for everyone?

1652
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your own?

1653
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: Damn man?

1654
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 8: Okay, So this is the story of my biological father

1655
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,519
Speaker 8: being the prime suspect and the murder of his best.

1656
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Friend in college.

1657
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 8: Okay, and just for a little bit of side note,

1658
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 8: this was like two years after I was born, so

1659
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 8: life shit, one right after the other happened. But okay,

1660
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 8: so this was like ninety six ninety seven. Happened at

1661
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 8: Capital University.

1662
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Go go accused.

1663
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, so my bio dad his best friend was Tony,

1664
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 8: who was the only other man in the art therapy

1665
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 8: department at the time. So obviously they're gonna have to

1666
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 8: bond together because there are the only two men in

1667
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 8: that department. Yeah, okay, So he was the last person

1668
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 8: to see him alive, and so like he's dropping of

1669
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 8: off at his apartment at like one in the morning,

1670
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 8: because you do weird shit at like one in the morning.

1671
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 8: I think you said they were getting haircuts or whatever,

1672
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 8: you know, so.

1673
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 2: Late night super cuts. Who the fuck knows the fuck

1674
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 2: knows is right?

1675
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 8: Anyway, So he drops him off and then his best

1676
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 8: friend is proceeded to be carjacked and like forced to

1677
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 8: empty out his entire at by a group of three

1678
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 8: miners by the way, who apparently each had a wrap

1679
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 8: she like a whole page long each anyway, So then

1680
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 8: they like shoot him execution style in the back of

1681
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 8: the head and then find his car three days later

1682
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 8: on like Cleveland Avenue, which honestly is no surprise.

1683
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: It's like a sketchyar Oh.

1684
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 8: Okay, you guys hate Cleveland not anywhere near Capital University

1685
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 8: and also okay, but like so while they're investigating this,

1686
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 8: my bio dad is put through all this bullshit. So

1687
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 8: like when they come to question him, they take him

1688
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 8: out of his ceramics class. And if you work with ceramics,

1689
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 8: you know that you're gonna wear the like worst clothing possible.

1690
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 8: So they put him in handcuffs and put him in

1691
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 8: the back of the squad car and take them to

1692
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 8: like thegit like to interview him and whatever, and so

1693
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 8: they like you're looking hella guilty and like the prints.

1694
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: Everywhere that day they were working.

1695
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: With red Klay.

1696
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 8: But so like they don't let him wash his hands

1697
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 8: and like drop him back off at class and so

1698
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 8: like his like his nest class, the teacher asks him

1699
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 8: to hand out all the graded tests, so each one

1700
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 8: has like just a little think thumbprint on the color

1701
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 8: look and like so now he's looking hell again. And

1702
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 8: like at one point he's like rounding a corner and

1703
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 8: he hears the like principle of like the college or

1704
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 8: whatever talking shit about him, and like it's bad because

1705
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 8: like he's also like the son of a Lutheran minister

1706
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 8: and this is a Jesuit college.

1707
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 2: Oh perfect, yeah exactly. But like he clearly didn't do it,

1708
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying.

1709
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:46,479
Speaker 1: And like he clearly didn't do it, is what you're saying.

1710
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: That's what you just said.

1711
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 8: But like I'm pretty sure the kids that did it

1712
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 8: are now out of prison because they were miners at.

1713
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: The time that they did it.

1714
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Do you know how young?

1715
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 3: Uh?

1716
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, teenagers for sure?

1717
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 4: Shit, wow, how did they get I think they.

1718
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:02,879
Speaker 1: Just followed the evidence.

1719
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: I don't get it, damn ship.

1720
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Can I end on a joke? It's a really quick one,

1721
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: of course.

1722
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 8: Okay, this is kind of an awful joke. You're gonna

1723
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 8: feel slightly bad for you. Okay, So why do they

1724
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 8: not tell jokes about the Reverend Jim Jones? Why because

1725
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 8: the punchline is too long?

1726
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: Girl? Great Joe, you earn that thing.

1727
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 2: Great time I get them to there's vance.

1728
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 1: Amazing.

1729
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: Wow, that's how you do a fucking hometown, I thought,

1730
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 2: And then just end with that's just a touch of

1731
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 2: light humor, beautiful.

1732
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: A joke that we would get hate mail for but

1733
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: was adorable.

1734
01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: You're doing.

1735
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: So we appreciate that because I want nothing more to

1736
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: say that joke every day of my life.

1737
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. Are there any updates on this hometown

1738
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 2: that you know, Georgia.

1739
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: No eupdates on the hometown. But I did chuckle just

1740
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: a little bit at that really inappropriate joke at the end,

1741
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: all these years later, So it was I.

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01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: Think it was funny, and I really liked that she

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01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 2: threw it out there to be like, hey, yeah and

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01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 2: on a joke levity.

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01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 1: Good for you, Lauren. You made us laugh then and

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01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: you made us laugh now.

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01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 2: Lauren wait to be a part of things. So this

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Speaker 2: episode was originally entitled Live at the Palace Theater in Columbus, Ohio.

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01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 2: We have many choices for new titles for this episode.

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01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: That first one is my favorite, Welcome to poodle Time,

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01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 2: Come on.

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01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Of course, Molded Seafood Salad is a very important title

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01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:52,599
Speaker 1: for us.

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01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Very good or tune attemptee, which was your rest favorite recipe.

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Speaker 1: Right, get out of my slide show. So you want

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01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,719
Speaker 1: to be a superintendent or a touch of light humor?

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01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: Those are great options.

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01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 2: So many good ones. Well that's this week's episode of Rewind.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Let's go back to Columbus, Ohio on

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01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:12,760
Speaker 1: stage to say goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Columbus.

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01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: This has been an amazing show.

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01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, how fun.

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01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: We've had so much fun in Ohio. You guys have

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01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: been so open and kind and wonderful to us, and

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01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: we really appreciate. We're so happy to be here. We'll

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01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: definitely be back.

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01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 2: We do say this all the time. But like all

1769
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 2: the credit we're getting is the work you guys are doing.

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01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: So like you are becoming all friends with each other.

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01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: You all are hanging out and having a great time

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01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 2: and supporting each other. It's just this insane, amazing community

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01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: that's growing up out of Georgia. And I bullshitting on

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01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: her couch. So it's such an honor to be a

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01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: part of this with you. We cannot tell you how

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01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: much fun we're having and how awesome it is. Thank

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01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 2: you so so much.

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01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: Honestly, we're so lucky.

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Speaker 2: And so finally to wrap up, please stay sexy.

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Speaker 1: Thank job, Bye you guys.

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01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Elvis. Do you want a cookie?