1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah hart Unger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and fifty eight. 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: We will be interviewing Richie Holmes Grant, who is an 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: influencer and style maker and Tablescape expert extraordinaire. Lots more 13 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: to hear about that. We've been watching her videos on 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: YouTube and Instagram The Rich Life and really enjoying those. 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: She came to us via a previous guest Lannie and Lander, 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: who was talking about closet makeovers a couple of months ago. Sarah, 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: she she did a makeover for you, right she did, 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: And I've had on my to do list to like 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: finish up with the pictures already and do a post, 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: and I, for some reason, it keeps escaping my productivity 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: grasp and getting pushed down. I think mostly because it 22 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: requires like fully getting dressed up, and lately I don't 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: do that because yes, exactly, because I haven't been on 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: call for a while, and when I was on call, 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I was wearing scrubs anyway, and I've been doing more telemedicine, 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: so I haven't been leaving the house. Although thanks to Lannie, 27 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I even feel like my around the house uniform has improved, 28 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: because so the shirt I'm wearing the weed my pants 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: are amazing, but this is the uniclode draped tea that 30 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: I never would have found without her. And my uniform 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: at home is now like jeans and one of these shirts, 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: and I feel like I look passable and it's also 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: very comfortable. And they just get thrown in the wash 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: and they're like twelve bucks, so if they ruined after 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of cycles in the wash, I can get 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: another one. I recognize that's not a very environmentally friendly 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: thing to say. Hopefully it won't get ruined, but it 38 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: is nice that it was inexpensive. Yeah, yeah, so no, 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: Alanie's great and she did a whole online thing for me. 40 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: She put together outfits, she made suggestions, and then she 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: even went back afterwards and like wrote down like what 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: goes with what? It was so cool. I recommend her 43 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: services if you're, you know, thinking about what you want 44 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: to do with your wardrobe when you get back to work. Well, 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: hopefully eventually we'll get a blog post on that and 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: then we can point everybody to that. But Ritchie also 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: amazing style. We're getting all sorts of stylish people coming 48 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: to us, which is wonderful. The table scapes, as we said, 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: is a pretty awesome thing that she's doing those for 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: different magazines that you'll be able to check out her work. 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever done a table scape, Sarah? You know 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: I have not, but like I will admit that she 53 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 1: has inspired me to kind of maybe go down that 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: road because I think my kids would find it really 55 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: really fun. I actually think Annabelle would be like a 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: natural tablescaper because she's very into art. She's very into 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: like what goes with what. She would probably design some 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: custom you know, place cards to go with any theme 59 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: that we could think of. And I am very obsessed 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: with like hand lettering and stuff these days, so I 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: could see how that could intersect because there is room 62 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: for some lettering on some tablescapes. Yeah, no, it sounds awesome. 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I think it's the kind of thing I'd probably have 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: to get somebody else to do, because I don't know, 65 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: my brain doesn't work out. I love design, I love style. 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: I love beautiful photos of beautiful homes, and recognize that 67 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: this is one of those wonderful things I could admire 68 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: that other people do. So there we go. But what 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: we were also telling you about how awesome it is 70 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: that influencer is like an actual viable career path that 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: you Rithby has a law degree, like a very prestigious 72 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: law degree, and has decided to go the influencer route, 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: and that that's a career you can actually do, and 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,839 Speaker 1: she's doing amazing with it, Like I feel like most, 75 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: I feel like the best influencers have some sort of 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: talent that they're sharing. They're not just just influencing or something. 77 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: And she is a great mashup of like businesswoman, slash 78 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: she knows the law part under it, slash artist, you know, 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: and then putting all those together with her great style 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: and now it's a viable career that's just amazing. I 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: love how so many new avenues have opened up, the 82 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: ways people can work sort of non traditionally but still profitably. 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the amazing things of modern 84 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: life and modern technology. And yeah, I mean, obviously there's 85 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: downsides to social media too, but some cool careers that 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: exist that wouldn't have, you know, fifteen years ago. That's exciting. 87 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Who knows what's the next career that will be out there, 88 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: podcaster that's already out there, out there? All right, Well, 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: here's and we had a great interview with her. We 90 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it as well. Well. Sarah and I 91 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: are delighted to welcome Richie Holmes Grant to the program. 92 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: As we mentioned, we got to know Richie through a 93 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: previous guest, Lannie, and that was very exciting that she 94 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: was willing to come on. So, Richie, could you introduce 95 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: yourself to our listeners. Hi. Everyone, I'm Richie Holmes Grant. 96 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: I am so excited to be here. Yeah. Lannie loves 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: this podcast. So when I got the invitation, I was like, Okay, 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: I'll come, and I'm really excited to be here and 99 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: share my story and my resources and advice with your listeners, 100 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: so awesome. Yeah, and so you have had quite a 101 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: varied career, and it started out a little bit more traditional. 102 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: You got a law degree from Columbia, not exactly a 103 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, slummy it kind of thing. But then you 104 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: made a decision not to pursue a full time legal career. 105 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, what was that hard? Like what did your 106 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: family think about that? Yeah? It was. It was I 107 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: think the biggest decision I've made thus far in my life, 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: but also the best. So, you know, you go to 109 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: school like Columbia, and you the assumption is that you 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: work in a big firm, you know, in a big city. 111 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: And that was what I was pursuing all the way 112 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: up until the spring of my third year. I went 113 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: to see my grandfather. I'm from Washington, d C. The 114 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: Washington DC area of Maryland suburbs, and I came back 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: home from New York to see him, and he was 116 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: very sick, and so I was trying to get him 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: the hold on and I said, Papa, I'm graduating from 118 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: law school in the spring. I have been the first 119 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: grandchild to graduate from law school in our family, so 120 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: you know, I thought he would maybe want to hold 121 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: on a little longer, and he said to me, you know, 122 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: when you graduate, I think you should just take six 123 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: months off, sit on your parents' back porch, and then 124 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: figure out what you want to do with your life. 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: And that thought never occurred to me. I'd always been 126 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,239 Speaker 1: a super overachiever, like it's always about it was always 127 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: about getting to the next step. And when he said that, 128 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: I said, okay, but I had no intention of doing it. 129 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: But he passed away two weeks later, and that was 130 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: the last conversation I ever had with him, So it 131 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: really stayed with me. And I talked to my parents 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: about it, and I said, I think I want to 133 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: do this. I had never taken a break before to 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, just explore life, really, and they were surprisingly 135 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: okay with it. I stayed in New York, I took 136 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: the bar, and then I came back home. I did 137 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: not sit out on their back porch for very long. 138 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: I ended up doing all these things I never had 139 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: the time or courage to do, and it was just 140 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: such an exciting time in my life. And one of 141 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: the things that I did was help other friends start 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: their own businesses. I was in the Small Business and 143 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: Nonprofits clinic at Columbia, and I was like, wow, this 144 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: is really cool. But I don't just want to have 145 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: a business helping other people start their own businesses. So 146 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: what can I do? And you know, it never dawned 147 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: on me that I had like narrations of entrepreneurs in 148 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: my family. I mean I knew that, of course, but 149 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: it never dawned on me that I would be the next. 150 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: And it just sort of it just blossomed from there 151 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: my career as an entrepreneur started. I started my first 152 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: business here at home. It was it's still actually I 153 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't say was. It's still here years later, from two 154 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: thousand and three, a test prep, tutoring, academic consulting company 155 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: called Innovative Study Techniques. And so that was my first baby. 156 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: And you know, the joke is I still am barred 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: in New York and Maryland, but I only do the 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: fun stuff. My family surprisingly was very supportive, except my grandmother. 159 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: She was like, well, how are you going to use 160 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: your degree? I don't understand, and I'm like, listen, I 161 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: use it every day. And that's the thing. I use 162 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: my law degree in everything I do. I'm so happy 163 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I got it and I still get to do like 164 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know, things that are fun for me. 165 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: But overall, it was the best decision I could have made. Yeah, 166 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: it's still tough, but like, yeah, how I I'm interested 167 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: in how you use it, like more like doing your 168 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: own legal stuff for your businesses or is it more 169 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: just like you have a perspective. It's both. Actually I 170 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: never have to hire outside council. That's great. Uh. In fact, 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: this is a little funny aside. I was in an 172 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: elevator accident and yeah, it was it was pretty bad. 173 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: And for a while, I well, I fired my attorney 174 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: and I had to be my own council for a while. Uh. 175 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: And and I because I found things that he missed 176 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is that, like I'm not 177 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: paying you to do work that I could be doing. 178 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: So and then I eventually found new council and we won, 179 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: so that was great, and they were like, hey, why 180 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: don't you come work for us? And I was like, no, 181 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm good. So so yes, in that sense, you know, 182 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm my own general counsel. But also in terms of 183 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: the just the mental processes you just I mean, there's 184 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: a way of legal thinking that just helped so much 185 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: in business and thinking through things and and just the 186 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: decision points you have to make, and and even I 187 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: mean just being a support a supportive voice for people 188 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: who are having legal issues. Actually had to step in 189 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: and help a friend who was in a just a 190 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: very unfortunate situation, and I had to step in and 191 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: find attorneys for him, be sort of like his third counsel, 192 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: and he everything ended up being okay in the end. 193 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: But I was happy that I could be that person 194 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: for him because he was such a such an important 195 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: person in my life, and I really wanted to use 196 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: my expertise to help him. So it's it's it just 197 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: has so many benefits. Yeah. Yeah, and you've been a 198 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: serial entrepreneur then because you had the test prep company, 199 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: but then you also have Vambi Anywhere and everything else. 200 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: So why don't you give us a rundown of the 201 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: portfolio of rich at the moment? Yeah, So I st 202 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: Innovative Study Techniques. That was my first company, and then 203 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: a few years and I actually partnered with organization and 204 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: together we founded a nonprofit with the goal of closing 205 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: the achievement gap. It was a really wild goal that 206 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: we had and it was great for the time that 207 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: we were working together and everyone's gone off and done 208 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: really great things. But I sort of went back to 209 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: ist after that. And then ten years in, I got 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: pregnant with my daughter, and I knew that I couldn't 211 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: work the same way that I used to, So I like, 212 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: this is so funny when I think about it. I 213 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: never had any intention of starting another business, but I 214 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: needed some things and I called my aunt, who's a 215 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: seamstress I and I asked her to make them for me, 216 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: and literally in the middle of the conversation, I was like, 217 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: I think people might buy this stuff. It was it 218 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: was such a light bulb moment, and I'd said, you 219 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to go with this, and even 220 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: if it goes nowhere, I just need something right now 221 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: for me. I need to feel like I'm working, but 222 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: not actually working working because I still really wanted to 223 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: be with my daughter, I took four months maternity leave 224 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: and so so it just grew from there. My first 225 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: test group was a mommy group that I was in 226 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: and they loved the product. So I launched on my 227 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: daughter's first birthday. And then this is when things really 228 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: started to take off. Just about a year into it, 229 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: we landed a partnership with Martha Stewart, and so that 230 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: was incredible because I'm totally self taught. I never imagined 231 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: that things would kind of play out like that, but 232 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: that was sort of the beginning of my career now 233 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: in the lifestyle space, working with Martha Stewart and then 234 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: eventually becoming a contributor to the site. So actually creating 235 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: content for Marthastewart dot Com just really let me know 236 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: that this was like a place I could I could 237 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: really grow and love just really sharing what I know 238 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: and just enjoying my life as it is right now, 239 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: being a mom, a mom preneur, a wife, all of 240 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: these things and wine. All right, let's take a real 241 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: quick break and we'll be right back with more from 242 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Ritchie Holmes. Grant. That is amazing about the Martha's Martha 243 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: Stewart partnership, and I would imagine you felt probably found 244 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: some talents in yourself that you maybe didn't even know 245 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: you had. So that's that's so cool. So let's talk 246 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: about the table scapes because that's where they was going. 247 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: There's a very Martha Stewart element of your table scapes, 248 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: and people have watched you should you should go to 249 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Instagram and follow Richie. Go to YouTube and follow Ritchie. 250 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: She has lots of videos, also starring her daughter, the 251 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Mini Boss. Uh you know about her her lifestyle content here, 252 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: including gorgeous tablescapes. So tell us about the tables. Yeah. 253 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: So the funny thing is, I want everyone to know this. 254 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: I was never one of those girls who grew up 255 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: saying I want to be like Martha Stewart. I love Martha, 256 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: but that was just never, never me. But I do 257 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: love a beautiful table. I when I started, so after 258 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: I got sort of my feet wet working with Martha 259 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: Stewart with the content creating, I decided I wanted to 260 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: venture out and I thought I would just sort of 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: revamp my own blog, and I got some really great 262 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: advice from a friend of mine who was like, I 263 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: think you should. Actually a few friends who came to 264 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: my daughter's birthday party and they were like, you should 265 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: be doing video. Your house looks like a studio, But 266 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: that was never my goal. I just wanted a very 267 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: nice kitchen and I always wanted a really cool crafting room. 268 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: So they saw those and they were like, YEA, you 269 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: should totally do video. And I've really never thought about that. 270 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: But I've learned when multiple people tell you the same thing, 271 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: you know they don't know each other, but they all 272 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: tell you the same thing, you should really listen. So 273 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I listened, and I think it was maybe about six 274 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: weeks later that I did my first video. I had 275 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: zero experience with video, and the tablescaping came about because 276 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: the show is essentially about my life. It's called The 277 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: Rich Life, so all the things that make my life rich, 278 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: and that first Christmas I wanted to share how we 279 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: decorate our home, and of course tablescaping is a huge 280 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: part of that. And that first video now has something 281 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: like one hundred and seventy three thousand views. It's just 282 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: was incredible, and that was my segue into this tablescaping 283 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: world that I didn't even know existed on YouTube. I 284 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: just I just always do my own thing, but people 285 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: would come for the tablescapes, so that that just grew 286 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: and I've had some amazing opportunities. I just had a 287 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: great feature in Veranda about a couple looks that I 288 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: created in la I've had partnerships with different vendors to 289 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: include their pieces, so it's just it's been totally unexpected 290 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: but amazing at the same time something that I really 291 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: really loved. Tablescaping is my happy place, and I know 292 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: that it can be kind of intimidating for some people, 293 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: but I like to make it fun. I like to 294 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: make it accessible for people and just beautiful. So what 295 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: makes a good table scape? Like if if you're you know, 296 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: somebody who's maybe design challenged, like me, if I was like, hey, 297 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: I want my table to look awesome, what are maybe 298 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: like one or two quick things I could do to 299 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: make that happen? Well, I think the biggest thing for 300 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: me is knowing your style and really owning that. So 301 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's easy to look in magazines and say, oh, 302 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: you know that's nice, that's nice, that's nice, But what 303 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: is your actual what is your style and what is 304 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: the vibe that you're going for when you when when 305 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: people see the table, how do you want them to feel? 306 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: And that I think there's there's no substitute for that. 307 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: You have to start there. And then in terms of 308 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: the actual pieces, I'm so big on layering. That adds 309 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: so much interest to the table. Different elements you can 310 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: do on the table with like knack and rings and textures, 311 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: and colors. I mean, I'm just I'm so big into 312 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: just creating your own unique look. So yeah, you should 313 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: just kind of jump in. I don't know if that 314 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: was super helpful, but my table look is currently more 315 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: dirty dishes. But so you've got to get there's a 316 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: basic start with a basic set of white plates that 317 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: you love. Okay, that's the easiest way to do it, 318 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: and that way you can have that same set of 319 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: plates and just style around those each time you want 320 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: to have an event or each holiday you want to celebrate. 321 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: I love the idea of it because it really is 322 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: just you know, and it's even very pandemic friendly because 323 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: you can do it within your own home with your 324 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: own family to make a meal or event special, or 325 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: even you could do it with video where you make 326 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: a beautiful table and you're having it with your family, 327 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: but you're also sharing it with family that's far and 328 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: wide and they get to see your beautiful table. I 329 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: will say, my my husband's grandmother, and she has passed 330 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: away since she actually had quite the tablescape thing going on, 331 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: and so looking at you and learning from you, I'm 332 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: like motivated, like I think, I think this is going 333 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: to be my new my new thing. You should you 334 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: should totally try it. And everything that you said as 335 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: far as the pandemic, we've actually done that. My cousin 336 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: wanted a white party and everyone had to do a 337 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: table scape. And first I was like, okay, this is 338 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: work for me because, like you know, I need my 339 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: tables to look good. But it was excuse me, it 340 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: was so much fun and everyone had a great time 341 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: showing their tables. And right now it's it's July. I 342 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: know this is airing in August, but I have a 343 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: Christmas look upstairs for a magazine shoot. That's the world 344 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: of the magazine several three months in advance, but I 345 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, we were recording three months in advance, 346 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: and then we learned better after life started changing so much. 347 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: And you include your daughter in a lot of your videos, 348 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: And what is she what's her thought about it? Like? 349 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: Does she it? Like what's her favorite part of this? 350 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: She actually is a very avid tablescaper. I mean, I 351 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: don't know if that's her favorite part, and I definitely 352 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: did not push that, but she owns it. She did 353 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: her first solo tablescape video last Thanksgiving, her friends Giving, 354 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: and I was like okay. Well, she wanted to have 355 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: a friends giving dinner for her friends, and so I said, Okay, 356 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: the caveat is you have to do a tablescape and 357 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: you have to do a video if I'm going to 358 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: go through all this effort of having this cater she 359 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: wanted it vegan, so I had it catered and she 360 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: and she loved it. But that's her thing, is I think, 361 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: just expressing herself to the world. And she doesn't do scripts. 362 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: She's like, no, I don't, I don't, I don't, I 363 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: don't do scripts. I just I just go with the flow. 364 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: And she's seven, by the way, so she's totally different 365 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: than I am. But I love it. I love how 366 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: we've got this chemistry on camera and we film when 367 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: she wants to film. I never press it. She made 368 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: there's a rumor going on around that she may be 369 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: starting her own channel. I don't know. I don't know. 370 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: But if so, you heard it here First Generation, Yeah, yeah, Now, 371 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: of course you're not just your your daughter's caregiver. You know, 372 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were also caring for your father 373 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: these days, and I know we've had a lot of 374 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: questions from listeners about that about you know, caring for 375 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: aging parents and and you know, if they have health 376 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: conditions and things like that. So how does that play 377 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: into your life at the moment. Yeah, so my dad 378 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: has dementia. His mom also had dementias, so but she 379 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: actually his was way earlier. So it was a real 380 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: shock for us when it happened. And when we discovered 381 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: he couldn't live by himself anymore, we said, you know, 382 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: we have the room here, so he needs to come 383 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: live with us. But we weren't. We weren't mentally really 384 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: prepared for all that it entailed, and I didn't know 385 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: really much about sort of how the disease progresses. I'm 386 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: learning as as I'm going along, and it's been it's 387 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: been hard. It's been hard in terms of having the 388 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: level of patience you need to be a caregiver too. 389 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: I mean, as Riley is growing, my dad is regressing. 390 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: So I'm sort of in the middle of this. But 391 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: I will say that I do feel like it's it's 392 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: a blessing that I never knew that I could handle. 393 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that everything that I'm doing now 394 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: has has just is just a testament to like, how 395 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: how much strength you have that you don't even know 396 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: exist until you're put in that position. So it's like 397 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: this week, he he didn't remember that I was his daughter, 398 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: So that that's been hard. You know. I I fully 399 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: knew that would happen. I expected it to happen, but 400 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: was I ready for it to happen. No, So we 401 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: are now at the point where we're thinking about, Okay, 402 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: what's the next step in terms of all after the 403 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: pandemic is over. Will it be in his best interest 404 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: for him to stay here or do we have to 405 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: find a place for him to go. So that's you know, 406 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: that's that's a hard place to be in because there's 407 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: some guilt associated with that too, like, you know, have 408 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: I done everything that I can do? But I think 409 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the answer is yes, 410 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: you know, the we do the best we can do 411 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: to honor our parents, and certainly, if I was ever 412 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: in that position, I want, you know, my daughter to 413 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: do the same thing for me. But it's very overall, 414 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: it's very, very difficult. But at the same time, I 415 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: feel like again that I've been equipped with what I need, 416 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Yeah, very much. I think one 417 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: of the more practical issues right now is. I mean, 418 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: you've always worked from home, and now everyone's there, Yeah, 419 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: including both your father and your daughter, my husband yet 420 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: your husband hopefully he's a little more self sufficient, but 421 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: still everyone. How are you guys sort of? How are 422 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: you still managing to keep space for doing your stuff 423 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: while while everyone's around? Yet? You know, the first few 424 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: months were very difficult for me. I was like, I 425 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: have no idea how I'm going to work. I'm used 426 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: to dropping Riley off at school. My husband's gone all day, 427 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: and my dad he's just you know, he's cool. Sometimes 428 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: I even take him out on tablescaping adventures, you know. 429 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: But for everyone to be here, it's like my creative 430 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: energy has just it was just zapped for such a 431 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: long time until I figured out, Listen, I'm a creator, right, Like, 432 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: I need to create a new way to do things. 433 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: So I started doing more interviews on my show, live 434 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: streaming as well as sort of faux streaming, where I 435 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: will it looks like a live stream, but I've actually 436 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: recorded it. And that has opened up a lot of 437 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: doors for me to interview people who I normally wouldn't 438 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: be able to because we're not in the same place. 439 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: So that's pretty cool, and then some other projects have 440 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: come into play with brands who are I think the 441 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: standards are lower now, so it's like, hey, you know, 442 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: you can film in your house and I have all 443 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: the equipment, so it's great. So it doesn't look, you know, 444 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: too bad. So I just have opened, you know, just 445 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: been really open to doing things a different way that 446 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: I think that works for me given where I am now. Unfortunately, 447 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: I do have a studio downstairs that I can you know, 448 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: sort of close off from the rest of the world. Uh, 449 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: table scaping right now is a little bit of a challenge. 450 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: The magazine shoot was cool, but the videos are hard 451 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: because you know, people are just in the house because 452 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: that's what we have to do right now. But it's 453 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's been a challenge, but a 454 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: challenge that I feel like I needed and to just 455 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of push me into just new avenues, I believe it. 456 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: Are there any rituals that you found really helpful right 457 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: now during this very different time. Yeah. So in the morning, 458 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: I get up before everyone else and just have my 459 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: quiet time with God. I do sort of devotionals and 460 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Bible study, and that is really key for me to 461 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 1: set the tone for the rest of my day. I 462 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: did that before, but it always felt really rushed because 463 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: I had to get you know, Riley ready for school 464 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: and make breakfast. And now I can really take my time, 465 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: and I just I love that time that I have, 466 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: and I also try to carve out when I can. 467 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: It's not as consistent as it would like as I 468 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: would like it to be, but just like, this is 469 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: mommy time, Like, do not interrupt me before, you know, 470 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: be subtle, like oh, I'm doing this, but I can 471 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: stop and do this. But now it's like, no, this 472 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: is mommy time. Do not interrupt me. So setting boundaries 473 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: where you can, I think is just is really key 474 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: to keeping your sanity because right now I'm doing things 475 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: that I never did before, Like I am, you know, 476 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: cleaning the whole house. I mean, listen, I'm all about 477 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: outsourcing when it comes to stuff that you know you 478 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: are not good at. And you know, I'm also doing 479 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: all of the meals or I guess I should say 480 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the meal. So it's like when 481 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: I need my time, I need my time totally. Well, 482 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, our listeners always love kind of a day 483 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: in the life, and obviously This is pandemic edition, not 484 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: normal life edition. But what would a sort of normal 485 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: weekday look like for you these days? Oh my gosh, 486 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: So right now I not only manage my own schedule, 487 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: but I manage Riley's activity schedule. This summer. We worked 488 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: really hard at the beginning of the summer to kind 489 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: of craft a schedule for her that would really what 490 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: would be fun and educational and really based on her 491 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: own interest. So she's got a full on schedule. So 492 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: I look at myself as her scheduler, making sure that 493 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: she's got everything she needs. And then in between that, 494 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: I'll squeeze in my own work, which is just creating content, 495 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: so it could be for my own content or right now, 496 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm working on some really cool projects with better homes 497 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: and gardens and real simple that you guys hopefully will 498 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: see soon. So fun things like that I get to do. 499 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Like I told you, I did my Christmas table scape 500 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: for another magazine last week. So I'm not working the 501 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: entire day. I'm working kind of in chunks and getting 502 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff done during that time because I 503 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: know that I'm pulled in so many different directions. But 504 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: I think one thing that I've been able to do 505 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: in the pandemic is really be more selective about how 506 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: I spend my time, because before it's people had all 507 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: these expectations, Oh, can you go here, can you do this? 508 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: Can you do that? And now it's like no, so yeah, 509 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: I every day is really different for me and that's 510 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: the cool part. I think now it's way easier to 511 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: get more creative with my days. Sarah, did you have 512 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: any more questions? Or should we do our Love of 513 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: the Week? No? I love that day in the life. 514 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: She's getting tons done, even though it's in pockets of time. 515 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: And I too need to protect my mommy time every 516 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: once in a while because sometimes you just need a moment, 517 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: a moment you need. Yeah, so should we do our 518 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: Love of the week? What's your irs? So? Sweet mine 519 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: is the Stationary Muse, which is a very small business, 520 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: is a black owned business. The woman is adorable. She 521 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: built it from scratch, She makes her own stickers in 522 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: her home, and she's going to be launching her own planner, 523 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: which I'm very excited about because she's showing little teasers 524 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: of it and I'm obsessed with planners. By the way, Richie, 525 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: if you didn't know that so anyway, called the Stationary Muse. 526 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,479 Speaker 1: You can check her out on Instagram. She's got some 527 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: big things coming up the next couple of months. Awesome. Well, 528 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm mine's more of a concept. I've been doing what 529 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: I call email triage sessions, so it I'm not as 530 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: responsive these days perhaps as I might have been at 531 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: different times, and the email kind of stacks up, and 532 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: I start feeling like there's stuff in there I don't 533 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: know about I need to look through. And I realized 534 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: when I was going in and out and in and out, 535 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: and I just was constantly feeling behind. So what I 536 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: do is I just take like an hour at one 537 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: point that I block off and I just haul through, 538 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: Go down, down down. I've got my calendar, I've got 539 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: my notebook for anything that I can't answer right now 540 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: that I'm going to put on the to do list, 541 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: And when I do that, I can get through the 542 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: undone stuff from like a week and a half. I 543 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: try not to let us stack up for a week 544 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: and a half. I try to do this every like 545 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: four days, three to four days, and so then I 546 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: will take a you know, go back through the second 547 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: four day trench two. So the four days that I 548 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: didn't get to and then just quick spin through the 549 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: last four to make sure I didn't miss anything then, 550 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: but so much more efficient. So definitely recommending that, Ritchie. 551 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: How about you. So I am not the most organized person, 552 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: which people find odd because when they see my spaces 553 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: they're always organized. But you know that's because I have 554 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: some time to get them together. But I've been working 555 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: really hard on deca uttering, and I just I now 556 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: have the time where I can spend in each room, 557 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: and so I've been taking each room corner by corner, 558 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: starting with my workspaces. And I do have a shared 559 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: workspace with Riley, so we're right now in the process 560 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: of like making it super efficient and everything I have 561 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: she wants, so now we have double everything. We both 562 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: have two desktops two well we have two desktops, two laptops, 563 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: and we have, you know, our same stands, and so 564 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: it's just but I'm like, listen, whatever it takes for 565 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: this to work, especially now that school will be online 566 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: for the fall, We're going to do it. So we've 567 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: been doing that in our office. We also something cool 568 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: I didn't mention. We just won a home depot pitch competition. 569 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, our category was like the five hundred dollars 570 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: project thing, so we decided that we would create an 571 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: industrial chic closet library in our office. So that is 572 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: a project that I'm working on, and I really want 573 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: the whole office to be organized. So that's why I'm 574 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: super decluttering the rest of the office so that when 575 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: we do the closet project, everything we'll just be together. 576 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: So I have like a professional reason, you gotta get 577 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: it done, exactly, I gotta get it done. Industrial chic 578 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: closet library sounds amazing. Yeah, yeah, we just kind of 579 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: and it's so funny because we had to do a 580 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: pitch video for Home Depot and so when I was 581 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: describing it, and I just candidly asked Riley, because you 582 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: know she doesn't do scripts, I said, what do you 583 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: think about that? She was like, I like that. It's 584 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: like a little bit fancy but also regular too, mix 585 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: it together modern and boo. Yeah, it's great. It was 586 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: just so funny. That was my favorite line in the 587 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: whole bitch. So, yeah, that was great. I'll send you 588 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: guys the link to that. Yeah, so that's my love 589 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: of the week, just decluttering and just encouraging everybody just 590 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: put stuff back where you found it. The world, the 591 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: house will be a better place if you do that. 592 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: I love it. Well, Richie, why don't you tell our 593 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: listeners real quick where they can find you so you 594 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: can always find me hanging out on Instagram at All 595 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: Things Richie. That's our icche. My mom is in love 596 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: with French, so in French it's pronounced rich but i'd 597 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: say Richie our icche. And then YouTube The rich Life 598 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: again that's our icche. And yeah, those are my main places. 599 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: I also hang out on Facebook too, but I love 600 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: Instagram and YouTube. Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for 601 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much, 602 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: Thank you. This is fine, all right, Well that was inspirational. 603 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: I am ready to start my new tablescaping hobby. Now. 604 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: She was such a great She was great. So we're 605 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: going to move on to our question segment, and this 606 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: one I'm more interested in Laura's answer, so I'm going 607 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: to read the question. All right. You talk a lot 608 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: about the power of maintaining a streak in building a habit. 609 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: I have especially found this true as I took up 610 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: jogging this year, partly as a way to get pent 611 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: up quarantine energy out and partly because of the health 612 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: wake up callar family received when my father had a 613 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: mini stroke this winter. He's doing well now, no lasting damage. 614 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: O good. However, my jogging streak is over for about 615 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: six weeks while I recover from a sprained ankle. The 616 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: habit is still quite new and fragile, so I know 617 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: this is an opportunity to fall off the wagon completely 618 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: if I am not careful. Do you have any suggestions 619 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: on restarting streaks when you are forced to stop for 620 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, So it's interesting because, as she said, 621 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: when you stop a streak, it can be twice as 622 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: hard to start back up as with any habit. That 623 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: once you stop it, it's difficult. And you know, one 624 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: of the suggestions that people have put out there is 625 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: thinking of it not as a stop, but as a pause. 626 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: That might be a Gretchen Ruben thing that you're not. 627 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: You know that it's not the end, it's not the destination. 628 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: It's that there's a for a little bit and then 629 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: you go back into it. You can also change the 630 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: streak that obviously if she can't run on her ankle 631 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: at the moment, but maybe she would be able to 632 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: do like bicep curls or something that that's a form 633 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: of exercise she could still do, or some stretching or 634 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: whatever it is that is accessible to her. And so 635 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: that the streak is not about running a mile a day. 636 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: It's about doing fifteen minutes of exercise and that you 637 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: know that can be done in almost any way, shape 638 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: or form. You know, even if running isn't an option 639 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: for her at the time, and you know, just sort 640 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: of set small goals when she gets back to it, 641 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: and or even you know, if she doesn't like the streak. 642 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing. I don't think people 643 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: do streaks who don't like them, Like you won't stick 644 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: with it, like it's it's not fun if you aren't 645 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: into it. And so if you're not into it, that 646 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: is totally okay. Like it would be fine to say 647 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to exercise five times a week. That would 648 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: be better than about ninety five percent of the population 649 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: and would be great for health. It doesn't have to 650 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: be seven days a week unless you get really excited 651 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: by the idea of doing something seven days a week. 652 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: And if you do, then you probably won't have as 653 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: hard a time getting back started with it because you'll 654 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: want to. I don't personally love to do streaks, so 655 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: that's why you know this question. I was kind of like, 656 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to. It's not the only 657 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: way to maintain a habit. You could look more at, 658 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, percentage of days that you're doing exercise, or 659 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: you could think in time limited streaks. I personally enjoy 660 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: those a little bit more like if I you know, 661 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: I'm currently doing this eighty day obsession thing, but there's 662 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: definitely a part of me that's like, well, it has 663 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: a finite end at the end of eighty days. It's 664 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: not like I'm going to quit exercising afterwards. But I 665 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: feel like it would be too much pressure on myself 666 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 1: if I were just doing some sort of infinite exercise streak, 667 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: and I feel like that could get out of hand, 668 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: especially if I then sprain my ankle. Then I'd get 669 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: very very upset that I couldn't continue it. So I 670 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: don't know, time limited streaks might be a good replacement, Like, 671 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: once you're better, you could do a twenty days of 672 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: this to recover, and then thirty days of that and 673 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: take a break, and you know, you don't have to 674 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: put so much pressure to do something every day, And 675 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody should shriek, to should streak anything 676 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: that they don't enjoy. Ah. Sorry, I found it interesting 677 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: that you would stop a streak because you thought it 678 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: was getting too oppressive. Yeah, that is definitely true. Particularly 679 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: my so my meditation app will track whether I'm doing 680 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: a streak. I don't find meditating something somehow conducive to 681 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: streaking because I don't want to like berate myself if 682 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm not meditating, Like I want it to be like 683 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: a purely like positive thing. If I'm doing it, I'm 684 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: doing it. I'm not. I'm not. So I actually sort 685 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: of get annoyed when I say that the app has 686 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: too high a number, because then I'm like, Okay, now 687 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: I feel like there's pressure and I'm gonna mess it up. 688 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: So then like if it's gets towards the end of 689 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: a month, it'll be like, okay, well, this is a 690 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: perfect natural time to like not do it for a day, 691 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: to like remove the external pressure of an impost polder 692 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: A polder problems. All right, Well this has been best 693 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: of both worlds. We've been interviewing Richie Holmes Grant and 694 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: we will be back next week with more on making 695 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can 696 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at 697 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me 698 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the 699 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time 700 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: for more on making work and life work together.