WEBVTT - TGL's Start & Three Golf Courses Zac Blair Thinks About 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.480 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.920 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.200 And when I find my ball in a brid egg. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:11.840 Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday fridagg Bride Egg Lie, 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:13.640 I'm about ready to run off of the hump. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.919 Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.200 I am your host Andy Johnson. Today I am super 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.960 excited to uh to have a couple of talks, a 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.720 couple one former PGA Tour player and one PGA Tour player, 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:58.240 both regular guests. I'm joined by Roberto Castro who now 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:03.560 works at cap Tech, who's conting part of TGL. Roberto 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.040 was very instrumental in the launch of TGL kind of 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.920 most notably the formatting and testing of the formatting of 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.240 the new Indoor Golf League that I think had a 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.480 pretty good Monday was a really good President's Day the 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.120 I think it was probably their most successful broadcasts of 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.560 the year. They had three of them, three really good matches. 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.479 I think it was captivating and is starting to win 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:38.040 over some people on the fence. So Roberto joined me. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.880 He also has a podcast that is notable worth listening. 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.679 To is the course record show dives into the business 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.160 of golf. I always like to plug that when Roberto's 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.640 on the podcast. And then I'm joined by PGA tour 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:57.480 member Zach Blair, also the Tree Farm founder, and we 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.640 talk about three golf courses that kind of he thinks 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.440 about the most. You know, as you can imagine, tree 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.240 Farm is one of those. Well, we'll kind of keep 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.560 the other two behind the curtain, so we talk with 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.799 Zach one on the back half of this podcast, So 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.720 little golf course architecture with Zach and a little TGL 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.000 with Roberto Castro. Before we get to that, we just 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:27.040 dropped a our Rainerman collection in the pro Shop, so 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.919 if you go to the Pro Show, if you go 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.359 to pro shop dot thefried egg dot com. 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All right, Roberto, We were supposed 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:13.959 to record this last week and fortuitously pushed this to 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:18.760 the current week, and now I'm excited to chat about this. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.359 We're recording the Tuesday after the President's Day extravaganza of TGL, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:30.200 where I don't know if it had a moment, it 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.519 felt like it kind of had a moment where where 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.040 a lot of things clicked. What do you think went 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.080 so well about Monday for the TGL? 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.800 You had three really close matches. I mean that's really 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.280 what went well, and I think you saw the guys 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:49.080 like the idea was always like a great blend of 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:54.160 competitiveness and entertainment, and that came through yesterday because when 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.120 you have these blowout matches, like actually credit to the players, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.640 like they tried to salvage it into like a watchable 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.920 TV show and a good entertainment product. And that's the 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.080 most you can get out of a twelve to one 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:08.320 or a nine to zero match. But yesterday you saw 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.760 what it looks like when I kept telling people like, 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:12.880 look when the last three, four or five holes, like 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.240 when it's close, you're going to see a different energy. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:16.360 And we saw that yesterday. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.640 To me, it also feels like maybe they're starting to 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.800 learn how to play in there a little bit, like 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.080 I think like something that you know, I don't think 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.600 like anybody like talked about and you know, I've talked 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.920 about probably TGL more than anybody on the Shotgun start, 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.080 but something we just didn't talk about was like maybe 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.200 these guys don't know how to play screen golf and 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.840 they have to learn how to play screen golf to 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.400 be like, it seems like they're starting to learn how 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.280 to chip around, like the adjustment period of like they 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.960 know where to aim. JT yesterday was like I'm not 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.280 going to try and cut this, I'm just going to 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.120 let it draw. Yeah, you know, it feels like they're 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.280 starting to also learn how to play in in the 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:01.400 in the sofide dum. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.080 Yeah, there's definitely an adjustment period. Some players have spent 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.080 more time in here than others, but really it's like 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.880 under the gun is what matters. And just like it 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.200 takes a player a couple of practice rounds or a 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.360 couple of years to get comfortable at a bay hill 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.080 or a riviera, like it's similar like you have to learn, 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.480 like what's the feel of the turf, like how to followard, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.160 does the ball go? All those things, But you're totally right. 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.680 Like my brother was texting me yesterday and he was like, dude, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:29.160 they are hitting one laser after another. Like the number 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.200 of shots that went right at the hole yesterday were 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.200 probably two x to what you saw week one and 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.800 week two, So that's definitely happening. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.839 It felt like they were reading the green better too. Yeah, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.160 that's like the other thing, like I don't know I 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.440 had here, Like you know, what's like one thing that 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.360 you weren't at all worried about with this and that 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.440 that you realize was like a problem or there was 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.840 a learning curve associated with said thing. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.840 Yeah, probably the shorter shots like the fifty to one twenty, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.320 because it's not like a month's long learning curve. But 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.000 I think all of us that were really involved in 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.720 the testing had kind of gotten well past that hump 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:15.039 of like I'm really good at a seventy yard shot 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.440 in the Sofi Center, but I don't remember what those 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.839 first few were. And Yeah, this is like the biggest, 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.240 most sophisticated sim in the world, but it's still a 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.599 sim You can't overcome the law of simulator golf. That says, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.760 the closer you get to the whole, the more awkward 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:30.960 and the more adjustment it takes. Right, Like one hundred 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.640 and seventy five yard shot is just like a full 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.360 aid iron for these guys takes five minutes, but eighty 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.120 ninety yards. Like, whether you're sim or your basement sim 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.040 in your basement, or whether you're playing here, it just 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.320 takes time to figure out an eighty yard shot. And 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.240 you definitely saw that. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.880 I feel like that is relatable for anybody that's played 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.080 sim later off, Like it's super weird when you're at 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.640 a simulator trying to hit a fifty yard shot, because 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:55.520 I think like one of the things that you like, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.480 I feel like inside one hundred so much of like 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:01.200 the way you process the show is your eyes looking 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:02.880 at the target totally. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.320 And I think actually the sixty five foot screen here 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.600 may may have made it harder than the sim in 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.840 your basement or the sim in a five iron or 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.160 an in town golf club, because talk about depth being weird, Like, 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:19.800 get up to an Imax screen and try to hit 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.840 a fifty yard shot into it. It's very strange. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:27.120 Yeah, what you know, you obviously were instrumental in the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:33.520 testing the formatting of this league. What have you enjoyed 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:38.280 the most about the TGL kind of coming online, coming 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:38.840 to the world. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.040 It's a great question. I really think the two things 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:47.560 are the player buy in. Like the biggest thing TGL 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:50.360 had going for it on night one is you've got 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.440 twenty of the top thirty players in the world, give 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.560 or take right, Like the talent you're starting with is 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.600 a huge, huge asset, and they're not locked in for right, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.560 Like they need to be really invested in it and 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.280 having fun with it, Like it needs to add to 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.440 their experience. These guys are making tens of millions of dollars, 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.280 they could pretty much set their schedule, Like they've got 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.680 a good thing going. It needs to be additive to 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.720 their careers. And like these comments are genuine, like Shane 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.400 Lowry saying like he's having as much fun as he's 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.400 had as he can remember playing golf. Like I had 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.800 an agent. I overheard an agent say that the chatter 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.280 at Torrey Pines last week and the locker room is 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:30.400 like all the players are like, man, it's a blast, 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.160 Like these matches are a ton of fun. So that's 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.439 been really cool to see and then too, just the 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.360 audience reception, Like I think, like Mike McCary, who founded 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.920 this thing with Tiger and Rory, like he said, like 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.400 some old you know, I don't have like an entertainment background, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.320 but there's like an old Hollywood saying that in TV 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.520 and entertainment, it's like a parachute. Either it either opens 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:55.079 or you die. And that night one the general reaction 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.360 of the fans and the viewers was like, all right, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.079 this is cool. I'm in, And to me, that is 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.360 the biggest most exciting thing, right, It's not about the numbers. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.439 It's a it's a year one product. It's just about 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:11.200 having customers that like give a damn about your product 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.200 and or invested in it, whether you love or hate 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.800 the hammer or whether you think like just having an 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.760 opinion is a really big win. So it's been fun 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.440 to get text every week from people that are engaged 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:22.640 in it. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:28.520 I completely echo the player buy in and I think 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.320 like that's like even I think like, and you don't 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.719 have to comment on this obviously, but like for me, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.080 like players that I would have been worried about being 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.520 bought in, like someone like Patrick Cantley, I was not 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.439 sure if he was going to be bought in, but 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:47.199 like you saw yesterday, like he was legit. Yeah, Like 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.559 I think at that at the core of it, it's 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.920 like a hyper competitive gain because these guys, like none 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.040 of these guys like losing it all. Yeah, And it's 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.520 kind of like I feel like when you play I've 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:07.280 gone on trips with like guys that all play competitive golf, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:13.320 and when you play anything with hyper competitive athletes or people, 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.800 they everybody's engaged and doesn't want to lose. And at 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.520 the core of this, none of these guys want to lose. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:28.760 Yeah, that, And you're totally right, Like it's kind of sidebar. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.040 But the few times I'm lucky to play like a 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.199 really fancy like top ten, top one hundred club, like 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.040 these places are so sophisticated and whatnot, it's always like 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.800 you set up a game maybe for five dollars, it 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.760 may be for anything, and I'm trying to like get 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.120 into the match, even if everyone's getting their shots and 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.520 everyone's just out there for a good experience, and I'm 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.280 always like, are we too hump or we too like 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:51.199 what's the score? And nobody cares right, And this is 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.160 the opposite of that, Like these guys really care. And 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.400 then the team aspect. I mean, I played college golf. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.040 It's not team golf. You just go play golf and 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.079 then you add up your score at the end. And 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.120 the reason that this is working is, you know, the 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.040 triples format, the alternate shot works. They're reading putts together 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.440 and hitting shots together because the shot clock like it's 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.880 legit team golf. Every shot putt that goes in like 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.400 it's high fives all around because they're all within ten 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.400 feet of each other. I gave zero high fives and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:23.040 four years of college golf, it doesn't happen. So that's 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.199 really fun for them. And you hear them say it 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:28.199 like I love my job, but it's a grind. You've 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.839 heard them say that over and over again. The PGA 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.840 Tour seventy two hole stroke play like the courses are hard, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.840 the pressure is high. This is fun. Let a teammate 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.240 hit a shot, Let me pitch in where I can like, 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.400 give me someone to stand with here as opposed to 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.440 just every week you know, it's knives out, each man 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.120 for himself. 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.880 Yeah. The I think, like I say this at all 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.880 of our events, is that because like we get we 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:56.800 have we play alternate shot at. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.600 All of our events, the Frida Egg events. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.760 Yeah, And I think people are like a lot of 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:05.199 times it's like the one time in a year, the 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.800 one time in five years somebody's played or sometimes the 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:13.199 first time somebody's ever played alternate shot, and they are nervous, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.240 and I often say to them, this is the this 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.240 is team golf, right, this is where you are working 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:25.240 with someone and like if you're playing best ball, best ball, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.079 partner best ball, like four ball. Yeah, it's just like 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.880 like I've I've had partners in in four ball tournaments 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.640 where we play matches against each other because that's the 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.400 best way we've found to play well together. It is 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:44.080 like we're literally are playing against each other in a match, 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.520 trying to beat the other one. And like the an 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.680 alternate shot, it completely switches where like it is like wait, 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.360 like where do you like? You you have to think about, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:55.120 like where do you want? 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:55.920 And you hear it. 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.000 You heard it yesterday like right before I can't remember 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.840 if it was Keegan or Hidecki was about to hit 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.440 a three wood into a par five. You heard Rory 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.400 be like left side is better, left side is better? 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.480 Left side like you know, like that wouldn't happen if 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.640 they're playing best ball in my opinion, like they because 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.199 like he's worried about the next guy who's gonna have 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.240 to hit the shot right, like, And I think that's 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.520 like the fascinating thing with alternate shot. And you know, I, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.240 if I'm gonna be completely honest, I don't know if 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.480 singles is the best ender. Like to me, like if 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.199 you had gone triples alternate shot the way it is 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:37.240 where it's three person the whole way, would it have 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:38.079 been more compelling? 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:38.559 Maybe? 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.400 I don't know, like we've ever done that. Part of 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.960 me thinks that's the most compelling format of the game 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.160 because it is that team aspect. But at the same time, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.800 like yesterday, it was also cool seeing Rory mclory and 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.840 lud big Obert, who's you know, just the last two 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.959 big time tournament winners square off down the stretch of 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.600 a match with consequential golf. They met both make birdies. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:03.440 That was cool too. 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.760 Yeah, yeah, no, I totally agree. And we messed with 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:08.360 a bunch of that in the testing. I remember the 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.720 first one we ever did you know, It's like, hey, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.400 maybe we do some best ball holes, some alternate shot holes. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.320 Maybe it's like runs of singles and then we would 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.120 realize that like a player was sitting down for thirty 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.360 five minutes. It's like, well, we can't have that happen, right, 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.280 So it's like until you try these things, you don't know. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.760 But the triples has been you know, it moves fast, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.520 like those first nine holes have been really really good. 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.640 I think they've done a better job too, of getting 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.360 the energy kind of between triples and singles, because there's 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.440 a bit of that break there and a couple of 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.680 the early matches I felt like in venue too, like 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.480 it just went a little flat and then the singles 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.720 came back, like, so I think they've maintained it a 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.440 lot better. And you know, it's just like one of 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.800 many examples of learning and changing as they go. 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.240 Let's talk about that a little bit. I think, like 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.360 where everybody wanted to land on, like a very formed opinion, 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:57.880 and this has got to be one of the most 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.560 challenging aspects of the league is like, like most I 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.080 guess you could call this a startup, as an extraordinarily 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:11.240 well funded startup. Most startups get to operate a little 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.080 bit in obscurity for a while before like they figure 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.560 out like they operate in obscurity, figure how product market fit. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:23.600 And then there's like this growing popularity and then they 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.000 get the microscope put on them once they are very popular. Yeah, 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:33.640 uh you you unveiled at on ESPN Primetime, you know, 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:35.080 Tuesday night. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:37.480 What have you you know? 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.080 Yet it's still entrepreneurial, Like, what have you enjoyed most 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.760 about the you know, like you played golf for a living, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.320 you have a degree from Georgia Tech though, you know, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:48.640 like you seem to be very interested in like the 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.520 business side of the world. You have a golf podcast 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.120 about the business side of golf. Like, what's been your 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.280 favorite aspect of the entrepreneurial journey of this thing. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.360 It's really been getting all people's perspectives. I mean, you 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.480 nailed it. You know, I'm a little too close to it. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.960 My colleagues at Captech are probably a little too close 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.600 to it. And starting week two, we started bringing clients 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.360 down right, so they were either founders of companies or 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.920 their executives at Fortune five hundred companies, and they kept saying, like, 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.000 hold time out, like this is version one of a product. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.520 Y'all are keep showing what could be better and what 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:25.240 the feedback's been, but do you realize how polished this is, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:29.520 how put together, how sophisticated this product in the market 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.200 is right now for a version one, and just getting 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.880 their perspective, like you said, outside business perspective of what 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.240 the first you know, a new hotel brand or a 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:43.720 new you know, apparel line, like they've all put products 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:47.040 out into the world, right, and getting their take on 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.760 it has been really rewarding and really interesting because like 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.960 bringing a different business mind to it. Right, If you 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.440 ran a public facing consumer brand, you think about it 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.840 one way. If you run like a franchise business, you 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.840 think about it a different way. And I mean that's 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.440 the cool thing about my job now is like I 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.159 get to meet all these people in different parts of 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.120 businesses and and talk through this stuff and getting them 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.840 to TGL and their thoughts on it has been awesome. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.359 How do you think season two, you just brought up 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.400 product version one, How do you think season two would differ? 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.120 Will differ from season one in any way? 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.000 Yeah, I think you're gonna have some different holes. I 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.639 would think can have a little bit of shifting of 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.119 the players. One thing I think is. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.720 Going to be really what's free agency? What's hot stove season. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.119 It's gonna happen eventually. I think a lot of the 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.000 stuff you see in other sports will happen event you know, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.320 like let's get the steady state in season one. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.160 Uh, if my frogs need to make some frogs. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.280 And I need to make some moves, and you know, 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.080 the Doncic thing proved, any trade is on the table, right, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.600 there's no there are no sacred cows. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.880 So if you can trade this, they might trade Rory 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:53.720 in the middle of the night. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.760 But but think about season two. One thing I think 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.680 is cool is like a season narrative, and this could 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.399 take five years, could take season two. I think it's 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.440 going to start developing season one. But it's like, what's 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.440 the cadence of the season in the narrative? So, like, 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.840 I'm from Atlanta, I probably followed the Atlanta team closest yesterday. 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.760 If they win in the afternoon, they clinch a playoff spot. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.320 Four teams make the playoffs. Two don't. So they lose 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.800 a close match. Now next week they play Boston. So 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:24.320 if you're thinking about it, you're like, Okay, Atlanta needs 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.399 to win this or they lose two in a row 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.000 when they just were sitting pretty like a second ago, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.240 or does Boston go zero to four, like they're literally 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.840 like got to do something right. So I think you 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.480 start to build these narratives in season two where people 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.440 understand like, Okay, like part of week two NFL excitement 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.719 is like if a good team like loses Week one, 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.000 it's like it's do or die, right, Like if the 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.040 Steelers lose the first two weeks, it's like, hey, they're 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.399 not that. Week three becomes like the biggest game of 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.240 the year. And again, it'll take time, but some of 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.159 that stuff I think will start to develop as the 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.320 league finds it's kind of its rhythm. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.600 That's my frogs. We were I felt like that last 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.280 last game, you know, and then and then the Bay 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.080 ripped our heartside of that, you know, our own three. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.800 I don't know what we're gonna do. I still think 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.280 we got a chance to get it. We got to 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:13.280 win the last two though. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.800 Yeah, no, you're still in it for you know, four 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.120 out of six making playoffs gives everyone a chance. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.520 I know that after like Week one, there was talks 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.800 of like there are a talking expansion. Is is that 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:29.400 a feasible thing for season two? Is that a realistic. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.800 Uh chance, I think so. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.840 I think that has been reported and it tracks. I 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:39.239 know there's been NBA owners, NFL owners. I think there 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.920 was like three NFL owners at at Week one, So 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:48.359 I mean it's sports. You know, assets are so highly 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:53.680 valued and coveted right now that I think, uh, you're 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.720 looking at you know a lot of different owners trying 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.760 and expand their portfolios, and this is a great way 0:19:58.800 --> 0:19:59.840 to do it, do you. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.840 I think there'd be expansion beyond just the teams, an 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.359 expansion of like where they might play. To me, it 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.760 does seem a little silly to be just flying people 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.879 back and forth from the coast in this early season 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:16.800 run when you're playing the PGA Tour is playing on 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:19.399 the West coast and then you're playing Monday and Tuesday 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:21.160 nights on on the East coast. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.280 Yeah, agreed. And the other one of the biggest wins 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.679 so far has been the venue like people, I mean 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.920 like Pat McAfee Week one I think was like this 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.000 place is sick. I got to get in there with 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.520 the boys, like you just imagine how and that keeps 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.960 coming up, like everyone is like how do I get 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.920 in here? We need more of these, Like what's the 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.119 next one, and I can tell you, like ground up 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.919 construction doesn't take months like it takes years like Sofi 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.640 Center took you know, years multiple to come to life. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:50.080 So I do think it's on the radar. I think 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.000 West Coast definitely makes sense. But I would not be 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.560 looking for another building in season two. But I think 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.560 it totally makes sense. And I mean the you know, 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.080 professional golf will likely played on the West Coast in 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.399 the early part of the year forever would be a 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.720 I rarely use that word, but it's a safe bet 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.200 considering you know, it's great weather and all the reasons. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.320