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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I am John Schmilk, demand

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Speaker 1: I left is Jeff Feagles. The phone numbers two O

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Speaker 1: one nine three nine four five one three. Hashtag Giants

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Speaker 1: Chat on Twitter. If you want to get in touch

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Speaker 1: the show. We continue our series previewing the Giants opponents

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Speaker 1: this season. Today we're up to the New York Jets,

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Speaker 1: so Rich Sumini from espn UH covers the Jets as

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Speaker 1: a great job. We'll be joining us at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: Just some bookkeeping very quickly before we get to some

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Speaker 1: Giants talk next week. The Giants offices are closed for

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Speaker 1: the entire week of the fourth of July, so no

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Speaker 1: shows next week, and there's no show tomorrow. So this

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Speaker 1: will be your last new Big Blue Kickoff Live for

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Speaker 1: about ten days or so, so make sure you absorb it,

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Speaker 1: enjoy it, get your fix of Feagles and Schmilk. I

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Speaker 1: am also off the week after the fourth of July.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna see me for about two weeks. Many

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Speaker 1: people complaining about that. I'm thrilled. The listeners and viewers

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Speaker 1: are thrilled. My co ho are thrilled. Everybody wins. It's

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Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. You're gonna have a great time because

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Speaker 1: you I know how much you work. You need that,

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Speaker 1: you need that time off before you got the long,

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Speaker 1: long time coming here. Once the season starts. I gotta

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Speaker 1: reach out to the batteries a little bit. Jeff, Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: So how's it going? Good? Good? Just hey, man, pull

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Speaker 1: them there's nobody here today. You are, I'm here, but

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Speaker 1: Danny's here pulling that parking lot. There's no cars in there.

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Speaker 1: I saw Ronnie Barnes walking down the hallway. I was shocked, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is he doing here? There's no one here. I

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Speaker 1: saw a couple of guys in the weight room. Well

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Speaker 1: I'm coming in, so you know, some guys here that

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Speaker 1: live around here working out. But and there guys still

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Speaker 1: coming in doing their rehab injury exact and those were there,

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Speaker 1: you go. Two of the guys that were in there

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Speaker 1: So are they not good now? Just kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just with this time of the year, there's not

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Speaker 1: a lot of talked about a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: and you're really from an organizational standpoint, you want these

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Speaker 1: guys that are out of your building to behave themselves

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Speaker 1: and that's a good thing so far. Absolutely all right, folks,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. We're gonna do Rich at twelve thirty.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna cover probably the most of the end of

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Speaker 1: the show. Then we're gonna play did you play with

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Speaker 1: Jeff Pegs. We'll do that at the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: So in the meantime, get on the phones, give us

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Speaker 1: a call two, five, one, three. I'll try to squeeze

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Speaker 1: your calls for the next twenty or twenty five minutes

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Speaker 1: or so, and I'll take a look at your tweets

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Speaker 1: as well at hashtag giants Chat. So, Jeff, I was

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Speaker 1: actually just writing up some of the written content that

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Speaker 1: we're going to have on giants dot com over there

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. I'm trying to get all out now,

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Speaker 1: so I have to do it while I'm off. And

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Speaker 1: the last question that was set up by Mr Salomone

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Speaker 1: an X factor means that? This is how I'll define it.

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Speaker 1: It's a player who is either unproven or you're not

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Speaker 1: sure of their performance. So wouldn't count se Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 1: But last year, for example, in his final four games,

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Speaker 1: you make all good points. The only way he becomes

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Speaker 1: if I go to that? Yes, I do, I do.

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Speaker 1: But I I feel like if if Lorenzo Carter does

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Speaker 1: second in the fourth quarter so or if they're losing

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Speaker 1: by thirty. I could go either way. That's why I

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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta ask that question too. I was on

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Speaker 1: UM with one of these guys in Washington. D C

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Speaker 1: was doing kind of like whip around the NFC East,

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Speaker 1: and that's the question he asked me and I give

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Speaker 1: the same answer. I go, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it depends on circumstances. It's it's just the way it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's complete circumstances. What it is. Absolutely you

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Speaker 1: know that game, the first game of the season is

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Speaker 1: going to be a big game. The Cowboy game sets

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Speaker 1: the stage, man, and those those games have not gone

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Speaker 1: so well the last few. You know what, Giants used

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Speaker 1: to win a lot down there. I haven't done so

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Speaker 1: in a long time. UM be a nice way to

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Speaker 1: to start off the season. And I know Eli would

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Speaker 1: love to win that game, because you know, if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't win that game, it's just gonna just gonna consistently

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Speaker 1: come up, guys, we're gonna be talking about every time

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Speaker 1: the game is lost, whether Eli wanted or lost it,

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Speaker 1: or the defense long wanted. If they lose the games,

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Speaker 1: is that it's gonna rearest ugly head when is Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones coming in the game and we are going to

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Speaker 1: get sick and tired of hearing it. But it's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen because listen, just the way it is. Just the pick,

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Speaker 1: it's the sixth pick in the NFL draft. You took

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Speaker 1: this guy. Um. We want to see him and listen,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants at least I don't Eli Manning out of

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Speaker 1: this lineup because I still think he can play, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's out for I think he's coming back

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Speaker 1: with the vengeance this year. I really do. I think

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Speaker 1: Eli wants to prove everyone wrong. And that's a good thing.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. So you aren't cheating, are you know?

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm glancing over and seeing names go by.

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Speaker 1: You're not cheating, are you? No? I did not see.

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking at him. I'm just I see I'm

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Speaker 1: going through. See you better than that? See John. John

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Speaker 1: loves this game that we played. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the program, I have five things ready for Legal five today,

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Speaker 1: Rapid Fire, Marco and Connecticut is up next day, Marco, Marco,

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Speaker 1: how are you hey, guys? How are you good? Well? Marco?

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Speaker 1: What's up? I have a special teams question? I love it.

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Speaker 1: We'll spend the next hour on um. Listen, you you

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Speaker 1: got the last Paul I brought up Daniel Jones. I

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Speaker 1: find it a little bit easier, no offense to anybody,

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Speaker 1: to talk to you both about Eli and Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: and maybe saying when Paul's on Paul, things get I

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Speaker 1: don't know, a little a little heightened, uh, Paul, Paul

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Speaker 1: gets a little emotional sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, and I and

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Speaker 1: I exactly what just said. I want Eli. I hope

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Speaker 1: he comes out and it's a great year. But I

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Speaker 1: had a quick question as you guys were talking. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember in the year when Um, when Eli was drafted.

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Speaker 1: I know there was a winning record that the team

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Speaker 1: had when they made the switch from Warner to Eli,

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Speaker 1: but five than for war right, we were five and four.

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Speaker 1: But was Kurt Warner? How was his performance? Was he

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Speaker 1: playing well or not playing great? He was all right,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't like I mean, he wasn't you know, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't an All Pro player that day. I mean, or

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Speaker 1: he wasn't playing great. I can give you a stats

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Speaker 1: on UM. I was on that team. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you'll answer the question, Jeff, I don't think he was

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Speaker 1: playing again, and this is why we played this stupid

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Speaker 1: game at the end of the program. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a great memory. Did you play with Kurt Warner? Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think I did. Alright, wait wait hold on, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what team? Alright, so that year, so that year five

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Speaker 1: and four, Kurt Warner had a sixty two percent completion

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Speaker 1: percentage for two thousand yards and six touchdowns with four interceptions.

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Speaker 1: Only six touchdowns in nine games started. That's not great.

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Speaker 1: That's not great. Not great. Only an eighty six and

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Speaker 1: a half quarterback. Right, Okay, there you go, all right?

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Speaker 1: Um my, so, and then before the special team's question,

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Speaker 1: the name Ryan Ruter, you brought you brought it up

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Speaker 1: before John I. I was listening to the Giants huddle

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones and when I when I heard his

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Speaker 1: name brought up. I remember Tom Coughlin used to bring

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Speaker 1: up his name once in a while, and um, so

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Speaker 1: I was. I was just interested because his name has

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Speaker 1: been brought up. But he's kind of like a a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a mystery. I don't care about him

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Speaker 1: as much as I hear about the other coaches. But

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Speaker 1: to hear that he's an asset in the quarterbacks room

513
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Speaker 1: was was pretty interesting. I mean, those guys, they spend

514
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Speaker 1: so much time, I mean, well quality control, offensive quality

515
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Speaker 1: control guys. It's all about, obviously the offense and plays

516
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Speaker 1: and doing things like that. So not the way and

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should give credit to the guy

518
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Speaker 1: in defense do Bobby Blick, who does that work on

519
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Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, does a real nice job.

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Speaker 1: They and they work a lot and so there and

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Speaker 1: but they have a position group that they you know,

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Speaker 1: adhere to. And and Ryan was a quarterback. So it's

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Speaker 1: definitely those guys and he is good. See him in there.

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Speaker 1: And you know what those guys, um you look at Uh,

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Speaker 1: those guys move on, they get jobs in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: UM for instance, Sean um Peyton, Sean Well know that

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Speaker 1: the guy, uh O, Sean Ryan, Sean Ryan. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 1: but exactly these guys all start off somewhere. And Sean

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Speaker 1: Ryan's been is the quasi offensive coordinator for Houston, though

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Speaker 1: I don't think Bill O'Brien has given him the tily.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure sure it's thrilled about that. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he's letting somebody know about that somewhere, no question, but

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Speaker 1: he will. These guys eventually get into be at a

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Speaker 1: position coach and then eventually try to go and get

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Speaker 1: a coordinator job. Um. Alright, cool, UM, here's my question

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Speaker 1: about special teams. Uh. Last year Roses had just an

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Speaker 1: awesome year. Um. Do you do you think that that

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Speaker 1: could be expected from fans or was that like just

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Speaker 1: a really like an awesome like breakout year and maybe

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Speaker 1: that's like a really hard to reach good questions like

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Speaker 1: what can we expect from him? And then also what

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Speaker 1: do you think we could expect from Dixon? Like where

543
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Speaker 1: did he need to improve in the off season that

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Speaker 1: maybe that's something new that he can incorporate this year. Appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I know we gotta go in a second, son, but

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Speaker 1: you have a minute ahead, Roses. That's the way he

547
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Speaker 1: I feel he could play every year. The strongest leg

548
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen a kicker. He just had to learn

549
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Speaker 1: how to use it, you know what I'm saying, And

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Speaker 1: he did last year. So I think I think he

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Speaker 1: will be consistently getting just that. Maybe not Pro Bowl

552
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Speaker 1: every year stuff. There's only one Pro Bowl punter kicker

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Speaker 1: in the NFC, so Um, but he'll be consistently the

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Speaker 1: way that you saw him, Um Riley, it's far as disconsistency.

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Speaker 1: He needs to. You know, he had some games where

556
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Speaker 1: you know, you gotta you gotta have a six punch.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have five of them be good, you know,

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Speaker 1: not three or four, Um and bomb him. But he's

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Speaker 1: he's and inside the twenties. I like both those guys.

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Speaker 1: They're they're gonna be around here a long time. I

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Speaker 1: know Riley Dixon. This is his last year on his contracts,

562
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Speaker 1: so hopefully the Giants want to do something there. But

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Speaker 1: I think together those guys should be in uniform for

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Speaker 1: a while. The funny thing watching Rosas in practice. When

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Speaker 1: he has Dixon and Dias, they all go in, But

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Speaker 1: when they have the second unit snapper and holder in

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's like, and it just shows

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Speaker 1: you how important the mechanics are. I kind of watched

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Speaker 1: that specifically the spring, and it makes a big difference.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to him a few weeks ago and

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Speaker 1: I'd asked him how it's going, and he said the

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Speaker 1: exact same thing. He goes, well, when when Riley and

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Speaker 1: and Uh and Zacher in there, it's pretty good, and

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Speaker 1: he's there. When the other guys it's not so good.

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Speaker 1: I go with they don't kick with the other guys,

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Speaker 1: that's easy. Well, there's only one field goal kicker in

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Speaker 1: Canada's it makes it tough. All right. Now, let's get

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Speaker 1: to our guests. It's all presented by cores Light and

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Speaker 1: he is rich Samine, he who covers the Jets for ESPN,

580
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: is covered Jets for as long as I can remember.

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Speaker 1: Richie got John Schmelk and Jeff Eagles here and he's

582
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Speaker 1: rather friend. How are you, buddy, gentlemen, how you guys

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Speaker 1: doing today? Thanks for having me brocome. I hope you're

584
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Speaker 1: enjoying your time away from football before everything ramps up

585
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Speaker 1: in about a month. And hopefully the Jeff still make

586
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Speaker 1: any other front office moves in the next couple of

587
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Speaker 1: weeks to give you a bit of a break. How

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00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: of things kind of never know, yeah, no, never, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't. How of things kind of settled in there

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Speaker 1: um with you know, letting go in the cagney and

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Speaker 1: bringing in Joe Douglas And now I guess Joe's building

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Speaker 1: his staff kind of as we speak. He's already brought

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys. Yeah, I mean it's been To

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Speaker 1: say it's an off season of upheable for the Jets

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Speaker 1: would be an understatement, but uh yeah, So that came

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Speaker 1: out of the blue. Three weeks after the draft they

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Speaker 1: fired the GM and uh, I know, I'll be going

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Speaker 1: on vacation in two days, but I don't think Joe

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Speaker 1: Douglas will be because he's got a lot of catching

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Speaker 1: up to do. He had already said he's cut damn.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's planning to stay at the facility and

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Speaker 1: just catch up and you know, watch a lot of

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Speaker 1: tape and familiarize himself with the staff and the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: So we know one person who will be over there

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Speaker 1: working a lot of hours in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 1: And um, yeah, I mean it was a strange move.

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Speaker 1: I was very critical of the move just because of

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Speaker 1: the timing of letting Mike mccagnant goes in. Sure, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they ended up with a good guy though.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've I've heard nothing but good things from

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Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and uh he's on the same page as

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Speaker 1: Adam Case, which to me is the most important thing. Yeah, definitely,

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Speaker 1: you know, and AND's very well respected Joe Douglas in

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Speaker 1: the National Football League. You know, you talked to a

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Speaker 1: lot of people about him and they're they're very impressed

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Speaker 1: with him, and I think he'll do a good job.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering about the one coach that came in here

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Speaker 1: with Greg Williams. Um he is I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that definitely is going to be able to

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Speaker 1: turn that defense around because for some reason and somehow,

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Speaker 1: he gets his players to play for him. Now, I

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Speaker 1: believe he's just he's a whacka do okay, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like that is going to really help that defense,

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Speaker 1: especially you know, with a lot of the veteran free

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Speaker 1: agents that they went out and got and put him

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Speaker 1: behind a very veteran coach. What do you think about that,

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Speaker 1: DE think Greg Williams particularly, Yeah, well, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good point step. I think he's going to just

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Speaker 1: give him a kick on the rear end, you know.

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Speaker 1: And even Greg said it himself when we spoke to

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Speaker 1: him a few weeks ago. He said, the reason I

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Speaker 1: keep getting hired by teams is the culture. You know.

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Speaker 1: I changed the culture, and I thought that was a

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Speaker 1: good way of expressing it. Because he brings in highly intense,

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Speaker 1: in your face coaching style that's not for the faint

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Speaker 1: of heart, you know, So if you have thin skins,

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Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna get along too well with Greg Williams.

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Speaker 1: He coaches hard, there's a lot of tough love. Uh,

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Speaker 1: He's super aggressive. He holds the players accountable, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's defense, which I thought as underachieved the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. I think they'll they'll switch into the

642
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Speaker 1: overachieving category. He'll get them going. I don't think he'll

643
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Speaker 1: be the long term answer for him, because that's that

644
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: stuff sort of wears off after a year or two.

645
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: For right now, for what they need, I think his

646
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: attitude will help them a lot. Last one on the

647
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: front office rich before we get to the players in

648
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: the field, which is really the most important thing. It

649
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: seems like a very Machiavellian type of situation over there

650
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: right now. And you know, different teams have different structures.

651
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: You know, Andy Reads not the general manager, but he's

652
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: the most powerful person in the chiefs organization, right is

653
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: that kind of how you look at it with the

654
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: Jets now, while Gaze is the head coach that he's

655
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: kind of the decision making hammer at this point is

656
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas was kind of his guy. You have a

657
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: strong old guy in Gregg Williams. The ownership situation could

658
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: even shift in the next couple of years. Just how

659
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: do you view that the power structure? Is it stable

660
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: or is there some instability there? You still think that's

661
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: a great question. I think yes and no. Uh, you're right.

662
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: You know Whatdy Johnson could return from England his ambassadors

663
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: ship in the next year or two, so then you

664
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Speaker 1: have a different ownership. Christopher will stay involved. His younger brother,

665
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: who has been running things the last couple of years,

666
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: He will be heavily involved when Wood he comes back.

667
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: We just don't know, uh in what capacity. Yes, I

668
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: think Adam Gaze I don't think he has Andy read

669
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: like power currently doesn't have Bill bellis that type power.

670
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But I think the perception, at least I think is accurate.

671
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: He's he's running safe. I mean he essentially want a

672
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: power struggle with Mike mccagnan, and then he essentially got

673
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: his guy, Joe Douglas hired to be the general manager.

674
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Adam Gaze wield a lot of power,

675
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: more power than most head coaches. I don't like the

676
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: way the power structure is set up. I like the

677
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: traditional way. I think the Giants are more traditional and

678
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: that the GM, the coach reports to the GM, who

679
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: reports to the owner, and the Jets don't have it

680
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: that way. They have you know, both the coach and

681
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: GM reporting directly to the owners, so they're essentially equal

682
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: under the ownership and and I don't like that, especially

683
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: when you have an inexperienced owner like Christopher Johnson. So

684
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: you have two people who were reporting to him. One

685
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: guy could be saying one thing in one year, another

686
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: guy could be saying another thing in another year, and

687
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: then you get into messy situations like what happened to

688
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: them this offseason with the whole GM change. So yeah,

689
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: it's a little muddled for sure. It's just gonna be

690
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: up to the people involved, the individuals, to make it work. Well,

691
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: you say inexperience, I mean you're really Adam Gates doesn't

692
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of coaching experience, and from the

693
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Speaker 1: head coaching, I mean not like you know, Bill Belichick

694
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: or somebody. But then you look at Joe Douglas. He's

695
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: never been a general manager before, and Christopher has never

696
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: been an owner before. So you look at all three

697
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: of those guys going into the office together. That's a

698
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: little bit scary. Um to get off of the front

699
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: office is Johnny was saying, Um, I have a Quentin Williams.

700
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: We we we saw him in the draft, we analyzed

701
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: him in the draft. We figured out which team was

702
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna probably go to he went to the team we

703
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go to. What have you seen

704
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: out of him? And is he as impressive as everybody

705
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: says he is. I'll be perfectly honest, I don't know.

706
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't do anything really in the spring.

707
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: He pulled his cap muscle on the first day of

708
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: O t a S practices, and uh was extremely limited.

709
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: He finally did a little bit towards the end in

710
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: mini camp and that the last week of O t

711
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: a S working with the really mostly the backup group,

712
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: the number two group. He looked great when he was

713
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: working against the threes, which you would expect. But I'm

714
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: really looking forward to seeing him in training camp when

715
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: he gets a chance to work with the ones. You know,

716
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's not your typical Alabama defensive tackle,

717
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and that he's not like a three twenty pound nose guard.

718
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: He's he's about two maybe three, and he's a little

719
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: undersized that way because he'll be playing nose. But he's

720
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: he's got an exceptional first step, at least that's what

721
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: he showed at Alabama, and the Jets really think he

722
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: can be a three down player for them. It's just

723
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: a matter of just getting him out there and getting

724
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: the experience. The Jets rich have kind of gone about

725
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: building this defense I'm not gonna say backwards, but it's

726
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: different than I think what traditionally has done the NFL,

727
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: where you have your high value positions being the outside

728
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: pass rushers right, and then you have the cornerbacks who

729
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: generally get the most money. But the Jets to focus

730
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: a lot of their resources on some really really good

731
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: players like Leonard Williams, Quinnin Williams, C. J. Mosley. Uh

732
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: use too high draft picks on Jamal Adams and Marcus May.

733
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: But these are guys that you know, play in the

734
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: middle of the field, but they're good players. Do the

735
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: Jets think that they can get a lot out of

736
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: this defense kind of building it in the less than

737
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: traditional way. I think the Jets might think it's like, uh,

738
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: it's baseball, you know the old baseball actuum. You've got

739
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: to be strong up the middle. You know pictures shortstop

740
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: second bases, that catcher. Uh, but it's not baseball, and

741
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: so I think they have a flawed roster, especially on defense,

742
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: because you're right, John, I mean, they added really good players.

743
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, C. J. Mosley is a really good linebacker.

744
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: He's made four Pro Bowls and he's going to be

745
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback of their defense and he will help them.

746
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: And Jamal Adams is arguably one of the two or

747
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: three best safeties in the league. But they are lacking

748
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: at cornerback, which is a pretty important position when you

749
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: have a defensive coordinator who is blitzing a lot like

750
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: Greg Williams and you're relying on your corners to play

751
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: man to man. So they are hurting at those positions

752
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: at that position, and they're also hurting on the edge,

753
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of linebackers in their three four defense,

754
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: and you know that's a pretty important position when you're

755
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: playing the three four. So it's a flawed defense. I

756
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: think be really good against power running teams, you know,

757
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: North South running teams, but really, how many of those

758
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: are left? You know, they're just the league is spread

759
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: out now. People are spreading you out with four receivers

760
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: even five sometimes and throwing the ball, and I think

761
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna struggle against those teams in terms

762
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: of real quick rich real quick on on Leonard Williams

763
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: before Jets get Jets takes it over the offensive side

764
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: of the ball. He's someone that hasn't put up staggering

765
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: stats or numbers. Right, But the Jets are gonna have

766
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: to side pretty soon now whether or not they're gonna

767
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: pay him and how much they're gonna pay him. How

768
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna approach that decision with with

769
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, Yeah, that is probably Joe Douglas is first,

770
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: really big decision, first thing on his uh to do list. Uh,

771
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: you know he's got and you're you're you're totally right

772
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: about Leonard. I mean he's a good player. Uh. They

773
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: drafted him sixth overall in two thousand fifteen. He's been

774
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: a good player. Has he been an outstanding player? No,

775
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: he has not put up those kind of numbers, sack numbers.

776
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: I think it's only seven over the last two seasons

777
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: he has. If you're in, if you're into the analytics,

778
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: know his pressure percentage is very high. He gets a

779
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: lot of quarterback hits. He gets double teams way more

780
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: than the average three technique. You know, we know this

781
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: now because of all the analytics we have. So there's

782
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: that Adam Gates has spoken very highly on Leonard Williams.

783
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: So he's making fourteen million this year. It's the fifth

784
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: year option for him, So they have the decision to

785
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: make you try to extend him. Now if you let

786
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: him play out the contract, Uh, if he has a

787
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: really good year, you're gonna really pay a premium for him,

788
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: or you franchise tag him. So that that's a really

789
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: tough one. Ordinarily, I think if the older regime we're

790
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: in play still here, I think they try to sign

791
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: him and now it's a new regime, and I think

792
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: they want to get to know him a little bit better.

793
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: I would say possibly at the end of the preseason

794
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: you could see some contract talks starting. That way, they

795
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: at least get to familiarize himself because they want to

796
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: be around Leonard. They want to see his work ethics,

797
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: his habits, his practice habits before they give out what

798
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: would be, you know, a massive contract. So it's a

799
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: really tough decision for them. But from what I hear,

800
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: they like him a lot. So we're gonna go over

801
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: the offense. What do you think, Johnny? Go ahead, UM,

802
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Sam Donald. You know,

803
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: he has a new coach, um Adam Gates coming in

804
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: and also they hired is it is it dal Lo Logans?

805
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: How does that think? I say his name Wright and

806
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: just dal Logans Loggans. Okay, talk to me a little

807
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: bit about those two guys and how their relationship is. Um,

808
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: you know where it's at, and what are you thinking

809
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: of Sam in his second year? It's really Adam Gaze.

810
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam is the facto offensive coordinator and he'll

811
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: be working very closely with Sam. It's it's one of

812
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: the main reasons they hired Adam. They wanted a quarterback guru.

813
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: And you could debate whether Gaze falls into the guru category.

814
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: You know, he did coach Peyton May when Peyton set

815
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the record, you know for most touchdowns in a season

816
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: with Denver. Some people would say, you know, Schmilk could

817
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: coach Peyton Man, you know, throw a lot of you know,

818
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: here might be some truth to that, but I will

819
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: give ad him some credit, you know and that you know,

820
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: he brought Paint to a historic level, and uh so

821
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: I give him credit for that. But he really hasn't

822
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: developed a young quarterback like Sam, so that's kind of

823
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: uncharted waters for Adam. I do think he will help Sam.

824
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Last year, the Jets were a mess. And when you

825
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: have a defensive minded coach, you know, he just sees

826
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: the game differently than an offensive guy. And so I

827
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: think having an offensive guy will help the quarterback position. Uh.

828
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: And I think having a better cast around him, you know,

829
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: lady On Bell will help, Javis Crowder will help. The

830
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: offensive line is it's a little shaky, so I'm not

831
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: sure where that goes. But Gates will make Sam Donald better.

832
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: That's that's his mission here, and I think he will

833
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: accomplish that. You know, which, do you think they did

834
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: enough this offseason to to set Donald up to succeed?

835
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: And you mentioned it and this one, I want to

836
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: go the offensive line to me, Kelvin Beach, him and

837
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Brandon Shell. I'm not inspired with confidence there. Yeah, Robby Anderson,

838
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I know had a nice year last year. Crowd is

839
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: a good slot guy running back will help, but does

840
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: he have the protection and the outside weapons he needs

841
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: to take that next big step as a quarterback Because

842
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I love Donald coming out here, my favorite quarterback a

843
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: year ago. I think he's got a lot of talent.

844
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: Do you think they've built around him the way they

845
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: needed to to maximize his success level? Not yet No,

846
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean it was a good start. I mean getting

847
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Levy on will help, especially as a receiver coming out

848
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Champ Sam's percentage last year throwing too

849
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: running backs was I think the lowest in the league

850
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: or maybe second is. So I think having a Levy

851
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: on Bell, we'll add some points to his completion percentage

852
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: and that will keep the chains moving. But you're right

853
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: the offensive line, it's the center position that really is

854
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: the concern. They're uh you know, they they brought back

855
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Jonathan Harrison, who essentially took over the job late last

856
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: year because Spencer Long struggled, so Harrison came in and uh,

857
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, they had some moments at the end of

858
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: the year. So I think the Jets are hoping those

859
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: moments can translate into a full season of moments, and

860
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm really skeptical of that. Jonathan Harrison has never really

861
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: been a full time starter in his career before, so

862
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: they tried. They flirted with a couple of centers in

863
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: free agency, didn't get any of them. They're relying on Harrison.

864
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: They have no depth behind him. The offensive line has

865
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: no depth anywhere on the offensive line, and uh so

866
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: that that's a big, big concern. And you mentioned you know,

867
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: Robby Anderson's a good player, a Nunwa Crowder. They have

868
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: good receivers, Herndon a promising tight end, but the depth

869
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: there's a yard drop off after the first three receivers,

870
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: so that if they have an injury to one of

871
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: those guys, which is bound to happen, right, I mean,

872
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: it's football, and they're gonna be They're gonna be hurting there.

873
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: So it's it's very it's questionable. Let's say the supporting

874
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: casts questions, how did Donald look in the spring and

875
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: what's the word on how he's adjusting to the new offense?

876
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the spring it's hard to say,

877
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, as as media members were only allowed to watch.

878
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: I think we watched what eight or nine practices out

879
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: of all of them, and I saw a couple of

880
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: days where he looked outstanding. I was like, wow, I

881
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: mean he's really picked up this offense. And you know,

882
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: and then in the actual mini camp, he was up

883
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: and down where it looked like Greg Greg Williams's defense

884
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: was really getting the best to him. He got frustrated

885
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: a couple of times. So it's a really tough defense

886
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: to prepare for because he's you know, Greg is blitzing

887
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: people from all different directions and it's you know, let's

888
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: space it. Sam is a young quarterback, second year, and

889
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: he's learning a new offense. So there's gonna be some

890
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: growing pains. And so I'd say it was an uneven

891
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: spring for Sam. But I'm not at all alarmed by

892
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: that because you would expect that, I would, I would expect,

893
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, things to be He's gonna have growing pains.

894
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the second year quarterback. He's only started

895
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: thirteen games. He didn't play a whole lot in college,

896
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: so there's gonna be continued growing pains. I love his potential,

897
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: it's just gonna take a little while to get there.

898
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: Do you think that Levian Bell will be as you know,

899
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: the big distraction as he usually is? Um? I mean

900
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: when you talk about this offensive line and you've got

901
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: Levian Bell in the backfield, that I mean, you've got

902
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: a great runner. But if you don't have anybody to

903
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: block for him, that's not going to be that great

904
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: of a runner. And the amount of money they gave

905
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: him to come in and play, talk a little bit

906
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: about him, and you know, what what have you got

907
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: to know him a little bit? Is he's still crazy

908
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: as people say he is, or you know, we just

909
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: love to I mean I love talking to people that

910
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: are on the other teams about some of these guys

911
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: because you know what, do you actually have met him,

912
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: You've seen him, you know him, tell us about him? Right,

913
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: come on, Well, I've never really met him actually because

914
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: he only showed up for two days, so you know,

915
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: he's skipped, skipped through the entire offseason program. And then

916
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, he did show up for the mini camp

917
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: and he did a group media session and he was great.

918
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: I mean it was very personal, engaging. He seems really

919
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: fired up about this opportunity with the Jets. I spoke

920
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: to Todd Haley, his old offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh. You know,

921
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: he covered he was there for Leby on his entire

922
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: career there in Pittsburgh, and he loves Leby on he said,

923
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: once he gets into training camp, he's always the you know,

924
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: the hardest worker, and he'll come in in good shape,

925
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 1: nothing but good things to say, a good team player.

926
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Uh So, I think the rap who've got a lot

927
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: of it is because of the contract situation last year.

928
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people painted him as unselfish.

929
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: I think once he gets into camp, obviously he's he's not.

930
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: He likes his contract situation now that Jeff gave him

931
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: a big deal, So I think he'll be focused on that.

932
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he'll have some rusts to chip

933
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: off because he skipped all the last year with this

934
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: contract thing, and I don't know how it's you know,

935
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to build chemistry with this offensive line.

936
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean in Pittsburgh he had a really good offensive line.

937
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: He has in your new running style. You guys know,

938
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: he's very patient. He's very masonical. You know, it's current

939
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: goes against the football green a little bit because he'll

940
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: wait in the backfield for something to open. So the

941
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: blocking has to adjust to that. He has to adjust

942
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: to this offensive line. So I don't think he's going

943
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: to come out of the gate strong. But the Jets

944
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: this year, it's gonna take a little while for them

945
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: to build up that chemistry. Rich final two, I gotta

946
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: ask you a real quick one. I know you're gonna

947
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: kind of roll your eyes, like, why the hell is

948
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: John asking me this? But Giant fans probably care Davis Webb.

949
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: Have you heard anything about him from the coaching staff,

950
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: seen him in practice? I old some Giant fans will

951
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: we're surprised when when when he was let go last year,

952
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see what what your impression of

953
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: David's Webb has been, if you've had much exposure to him. Yeah, well,

954
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: I mean that's not that's that's not a good question

955
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: because I mean, I know I was surprised when the

956
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: Giants let it go. I think the Jets were surprised

957
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: and they picked him up right away and put him

958
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: on their practice squad. I think what what I've seen

959
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: is what you guys have probably seen. I mean, he's

960
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: got a really strong arm, I don't I think at

961
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: times he has to learn to You can't throw a

962
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: fastball on every pitch, you know, I say, I think

963
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: I've seen some, you know, some short touch throws where

964
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: he just tried to put too much velocity on it.

965
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things he's dealing with.

966
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: So to me, it's fast. You know, he was okay

967
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: in the spring, but he has not guaranteed a roster

968
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: spot here by any means, because they brought in Luke

969
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: Bok who was with Gay for a part of last

970
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: year in Miami, so he knows the offense a little

971
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: bit better than Davis. And I don't know if they're

972
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: gonna carry three. They may only carry two quarterbacks. It

973
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: might be just Sam Donald and Trevor Simeon. And so

974
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: Davis Webb is battling for that third spot with with

975
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: Luke Falk and uh, that's a toss up right now.

976
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, if they keep three, it's a toss up.

977
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: So Davis is really gonna have to have a really

978
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 1: strong preseason to earn a roster spot the final one wretch.

979
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: And this is kind of an odd question maybe, but

980
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: how do you think the Jets and the powers that

981
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: be in that organization are going to judge this success

982
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: of their season? Is it all about the record? Is

983
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: the Donald development more important? Is it how you get

984
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: there with the record? How do you think they're going

985
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: to judge their success this year as they move through

986
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: their season. Well, that's a really good question, and I

987
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: think it depends on who you ask. I mean, if

988
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: you ask Christopher Johnson, the acting owner, I mean, he

989
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: he'll never say this, but you know he he wants

990
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: I think he expects to be a playoff team. I mean,

991
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: the Jets spent a hundred and twenty five million. Don't

992
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: quote me on the exact number, but it's about a

993
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five million and guaranteed money in the

994
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: free agency. That's the most that any team has ever

995
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: spent in free agency. And I don't think you do

996
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: that and you know, and you're happy at eight and eight. Uh. So,

997
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: I think he has very high expectations for this team.

998
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: I think the coaching staff, you know, and maybe the

999
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: new GM they look at the talent here and they

1000
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: see some obvious claws in the roster, and I think, um,

1001
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm probably looking at it, and I'm not quoting them

1002
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: or anything, but I'm suspecting they see maybe, you know,

1003
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: somewhere in the eight nine win range. I I see

1004
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: seven or eight wins for this team. Uh you know,

1005
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: I know the expectations are a lot higher than last year.

1006
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: They they're a better team than last year, there's no

1007
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: question about it. But I still see a roster with

1008
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: some obvious deficiencies, and I see a young quarterback who's

1009
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: still going to exp daring in some growing pains. So

1010
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I think seven or eight wins. I think the Vegas

1011
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: line is seven wins the over under and uh, but

1012
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: I think ownership and and upper management really has higher

1013
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: expectations than that. Rich, Thanks for the time. Feel free

1014
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: to drop by. The first preseason game will be in

1015
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: the Giants radio booth comes come by, say hi and

1016
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: enjoy enjoy your vacation first and foremost, and then enjoy

1017
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: the season. Thank you Rich. Good talking to you. I

1018
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: will great having great talking to you guys. Take it easy.

1019
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: Thanks Rich. Rich to me and he covers the Jets

1020
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: for ESPN does a great job. Rich is awesome. He

1021
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: is he really I spent some time with them down

1022
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: in uh. We had the Super Bowl this year. We

1023
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: were in Atlantic City. We did an appearance down there.

1024
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: It was and I got to know I never never

1025
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: had never met him. Good dude, really nice guy. Um

1026
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: and yeah we got to sit together and talk. Wayne

1027
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Trebett was there for that, said Alex Trebek. For a second,

1028
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: like God, that would have got me really excited. Yeah

1029
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: he's a small dude, man, Alex Trebek. No, no, Wayne

1030
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: for not true. Trip back. By the way, hopefully he's

1031
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: doing well finding his cancer stuff. By the way, I

1032
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: think he is I think that. Um. The last reporter

1033
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: I saw in the news was that he was doing

1034
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: very well. Excellent hairpiece. By the way, you would never know,

1035
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: never know. Maybe I should ask him about it, or

1036
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: you should too. I don't. I don't. I don't have

1037
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Alx Trebeck's contact information to send him a text. Damn, Danny. Sorry,

1038
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: I don't think Salibo does either. All right, he's got

1039
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: Dad's got a tremendous head of hair. What do you kidding?

1040
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: My god? Yeah, he has got a really nice quaff

1041
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: going on right there. All right, let's go to Charlie

1042
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: and Portland maid who hung on during that whole interview.

1043
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: He's probably writing down offensive lineman. Charlie, what's going on?

1044
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you guys doing? Hey? Great, you're

1045
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: going away? Hey John. I know one person is not

1046
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: going to be happy that you're gonna be gone for

1047
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: two weeks. That's your wife. You're not wrong about that either.

1048
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: So every every everybody wins but her. That's exactly right.

1049
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: Happy anniversary coming up there on. Yes, anniversary is tomorrow,

1050
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: that is Correl. Yes, yes, actually you're five. It's a

1051
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: big one. You're coming up to being I don't I

1052
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna make it up to Maine next

1053
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: week where I'm visiting the in laws for part of

1054
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: the weekend and the next week only I'm off and

1055
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: she's not, so Greg, you can still come up lobster

1056
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: dinner for you when you come up here. I'd like

1057
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: to throw them lobsters out there, don't you. I gotta

1058
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: get something. Hey. Um, I was just gonna say, you know, hey,

1059
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: if if the Jets need an center, that would be

1060
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: a good opportunity for us to trade Pulley because I

1061
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to win the competition, and I

1062
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: think they've got other guys who can fill in for

1063
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: less money. Remember and the Giants did that last year

1064
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: with Brett Jones. Yeah, trade him and maybe we can

1065
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: get a linebacker, you know, like an interior linebacker. They

1066
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: might have some good guy, one or two guys that

1067
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: could actually work for us, because that's where I think

1068
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: our biggest need is is inside linebacker. Yeah. I don't

1069
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: see j Mosley, Avery Williams, and they drafted Blake Cashman

1070
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: this year out of Minnesota, who's a decent prospect. Neville Hewitt,

1071
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Jeff Allison, Harvey Langley and he wins, so there is

1072
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: there is not a great list. No, I guess it. Hey,

1073
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: my ex factors is gonna be on on offense, it's

1074
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: gotta be remors whatever the right tackle. I mean, he's

1075
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: got to produce. You know, he's got to be the

1076
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: guy that you know, solidifies the offensive line. No, I

1077
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: think that's very true. Look, you need him to stay

1078
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: healthy and play well. I agree with you. And then

1079
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: my ex factor on defenses it might be a surprise,

1080
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: but I think this guy can give us six to

1081
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: eight facts and that is Avery Moss. I think he

1082
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: can be the guy this year. If they give him

1083
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity, he should be able. If he stays healthy,

1084
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: I think this guy can be a really good pass

1085
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: rusher for us. Well, I think the Giants are are

1086
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: They're intrigued about developing some of those younger defensive linement

1087
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: and getting some production out of him, especially like my

1088
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: McIntosh every Moss, these guys that have been hanging around

1089
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: a little bit, get him on the field and see

1090
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: if they can play. And I think that's what it's

1091
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: all about. And I agree with you. If those guys can,

1092
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: that would be a great X factor because that's exactly

1093
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: what you said it's not anybody would think, right Avery

1094
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Moss wow had nine sacks. Hold, Yeah, it's funny. He

1095
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: was very quiet in the spring. I didn't see him

1096
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: who do a whole lot. And I think he's talent too.

1097
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: I've always liked every Moss. I think he has it

1098
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: in him. But this is it, Charlie, this is last

1099
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: chance at the Cuckoo out for him. It's it's it's

1100
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: this year he's gone. And the thing and the whole

1101
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: thing with Jones, Daniel Jones, if this guy stinks up

1102
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: the preseason, there's no way he's getting on the field.

1103
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: This guy's got to show something in games. And if

1104
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: this guy takes step back and isn't you know, and

1105
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: he's in his head is spinning and he's throwing a

1106
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: ball all over the place, Uh, he's not going to

1107
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: be plane the whole year. So I think it really

1108
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: depends on what we see inseason. Yeah, I think whether

1109
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: the coaches think he's ready to come in and be representative.

1110
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: I think what we saw what happened last year when

1111
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: you put a rookie quarterback in before he's ready. That

1112
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: quarter against Washington was not great, not not not great.

1113
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: So you're right. I'm with you, Charlie. Charlie, enjoy it um.

1114
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: I will enjoy my time away from you more than anything.

1115
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: That's about sixteen days. That's Charlie. Free, don't I'm going

1116
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: to give you a call. No, no, don't do that,

1117
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: and do not tweet at me. I will block you.

1118
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: I will unblock you when I get back, but I

1119
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: will block you for the next fifteen weeks. Thank you, Charlie.

1120
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you, and take it easy. All right?

1121
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: John brings you to that great time? And on this

1122
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: show did he play with Jeff Eagles. I don't have

1123
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: a great memory. That's not going through anything. Hgs with

1124
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Let's see bump bump that little they get

1125
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more any more Feagles? He again? Cool? Alright,

1126
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 1: here we go. Are you ready to go? Move your computer?

1127
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there you go. I don't want you cheating.

1128
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: I don't want myself cheating. I understand. All right, Here

1129
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: we go. My record I am at you are nine

1130
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: and seven. It could be the Giants record next year.

1131
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: You know. I have six for you. Actually, we got

1132
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: a little time, so we're gonna we're gonna do all

1133
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: six okay, you're ready, All right, hold on, here we go.

1134
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: Did you play with Jim Maxwell. Did you play with

1135
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: Jim Maxwell? Yes? Okay, linebacker, special teams guy, thank you Eagles, right, Giants.

1136
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: Max was on the Giant. Luckily you got the position

1137
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: right though, so it still counts as a win. I

1138
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: remember he's a good special teams guy. Still counts as

1139
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: a whim as you got the position right. That was

1140
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: your first year with the Giants and thousand nice guy

1141
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: went on went on to coach, Um, I think he's

1142
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: coaching in the league. Okay, here we go. We're gonna go.

1143
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: Next player. Did you play with Aaron Rouse? Did you

1144
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: play with Aaron Rouse? Spell Rouse? R? O U s E.

1145
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: No way, I remember Aaron Ross. Remember Aaron Ross for

1146
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: the Giant. Not an Aaron Rouse. What's he? What is

1147
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: he like? What? Come on? I would have Dan? Do

1148
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: you do you remember Aaron Rousse? You remember? He has

1149
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: a horrible memory too well, he knows. I don't think

1150
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: he was working here he had. Aaron Ross was on

1151
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine Giants for eight games. He

1152
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: played free safety. That was my last year. I was

1153
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: I was more concerned about keeping my going on in

1154
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: my career than him. Wow, what did he play? What?

1155
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: He was a defensive back? Play eight games? He had

1156
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: a sack. Aaron Rouse, Yeah, Aaron Rousse. I think he

1157
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that were place C. C.

1158
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: Brown when that season went off the right hope. We

1159
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: have an Aaron Ross that played for the Giant. There

1160
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: was also an Aaron Ross. But this is Aaron Rouse.

1161
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. Well, just because you got it wrong.

1162
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: It's just because his name is so close to Aaron

1163
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: Ross and he actually played for the Giants. Did you

1164
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: play with Willie what's this guy's name again? Did you

1165
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: play with Willie Scott? Did you play with Willie Scott?

1166
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: Seriously will Scott? Will Scott? Yeah? I did. He was alignman, Yes, yes,

1167
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. He was a tight end that played for

1168
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Sorry, not just thirty something years. Did you

1169
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: actually remember the name or you just making it up? No?

1170
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: I remember there was a there was a center named

1171
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: Scott Lance Scott. I think it was his name. Yeah,

1172
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: was there a Lan Scott? Let me see if that's

1173
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: a real person. If it's not, I'm gonna give you

1174
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: the loss. I think it was Lan Scott was a

1175
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: sent He played in nineties seven and for the New

1176
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: York Giants, So you were not with with with him either.

1177
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: But I remember Lance Scott, remember the name and the

1178
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: center position? How though, how is that possible? Because you

1179
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: know what, I think he might wait a second, the

1180
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: Giants at which I don't know. That was before my time.

1181
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: Obviously school did he go Lan Scott went to This

1182
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: is good good radio? Utah? Yes? Why do I know

1183
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: Lance Scotts somewhere? I don't know. It's got to be

1184
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: from Look. Wait, he was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. Oh,

1185
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: he was drafted by the Colonels, and maybe it was

1186
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: a practice squad for them. That's when I was a right,

1187
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: why that good job? I think you can convinced confusing

1188
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: him with Lance Meadows. So you're gonna give me a

1189
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: win on that one. And even though it wasn't, I

1190
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: wasn't going to give you a loss. So I'm not

1191
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: gonna give you a win either. Did you play with

1192
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Cedric Smith? Yes? To be more specific, please, as you

1193
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: don't get your wind. Cedric was a fullback for the

1194
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. Ding put that one in there. You win

1195
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: a right? Yes? Two and two today. All right, good

1196
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: jobs so far, very good. He played with the Cardinals

1197
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: in nine and ninety seven. He was, in fact a fullback.

1198
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: Very good job. I actually went on to coach as

1199
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: a strength coach in the NFL for I think he's

1200
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: actually with the Dallas Cowboys. Now it could be no,

1201
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: you know who's with the Dallas Cowboys is Marcus Marcus? Oh? Yeah, assistant.

1202
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: He's an assistant there. They might have multiple assistants. I

1203
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I think that's true. But Marcus Paul, by

1204
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: the way, used to be up here for a long time.

1205
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: Cedric went on, Yeah, I think he's also a coach

1206
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL too. Did you play with Clan Clay

1207
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: Heilan Clay? No way, remember that guy? You are correct? Okay,

1208
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: that's correct. Healing Kay was actually re member the Giants

1209
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: last year for two teams. No way, do you remember

1210
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: that guy? He was? He was a kick return right,

1211
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: think Dan. I think they for him as a guy

1212
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: that I could do kicks keeling Clay. Remember Clan Clay. Now,

1213
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: I do remember Clay. I remember Clay. I don't remember

1214
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: his first He only played in two games with the

1215
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: Giant See if five punt returned for fifteen yards. You

1216
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: remember Clay, Yeah, actually he got He did not not

1217
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: hang on to the ball very good either. No, No,

1218
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: I think that was actually his problem, my final one.

1219
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: I know it was his problem. I know we're going

1220
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: along on this. I'm sorry, but I'm having fun. I'm

1221
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: not gonna talk to before I have to get out.

1222
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: And you're twelve and nine, so you're actually three and two.

1223
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: Let's see if you can stay about five for the day.

1224
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Did you play with Reggie Brown? Yeah, Reggie Brown, Yeah,

1225
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: I did? Running back again, right, No, maybe he was

1226
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: a defensive back. Maybe defensive back for what team? Eagles?

1227
01:01:50,400 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: Eagles ninety three. Maybe you're wrong, you know, Cherry, Oh,

1228
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. You are actually right at first, until you

1229
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: change your mind. He was a running back and he

1230
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: was with you in Seattle. Yeah, that's what it was,

1231
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: and you already was a running back. But you change

1232
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: your mind. I do remember Reggie Brown now being in Seattle,

1233
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: especially another special teams guy frollback on the running back

1234
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: slash fullback, ye slash tight end. Actually half year too, yep, okay,

1235
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: he caught thirty four passes in for the Seahawks. Yeah,

1236
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: you w on that team, right, I was, Yes, ninety

1237
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: was my first year there, so um and oh yes

1238
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: she returned from kicks he returned um to four kicks

1239
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: and two kicks in two thousands. Okay, yeah, I mean right.

1240
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 1: Um Galloway was our kick return He was fast man. Yeah, man,

1241
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: that's Joey Galloway. Yes, sir, good guy too, both those

1242
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: guys and good guys. You got a vacation coming, Jeff,

1243
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Actually, I'm heading up to Poconos

1244
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: this weekend for a friend invited us up to his

1245
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: lake house. So we're gonna go chill and from fish

1246
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: and yeah that's about just you. Are you bringing family?

1247
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: My wife and I are going. The boys are staying home.

1248
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: So what is the wife going to be doing while

1249
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: you're fishing? She's gonna be in a boat with me,

1250
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: she's coming huh. No, she won't be in No, No,

1251
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have an opportunity to here. She's not in there.

1252
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: That's that's really bad to say. I would never do that.

1253
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: I know I'm chunking'. I don't know what they'll be doing,

1254
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: drinking wine in the porch or something. I don't know. Um,

1255
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: not with you would be what she's doing right exactly,

1256
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: she'd be fine. Jeff, happy Fourth of July vacation. I

1257
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I'll see in a couple of weeks, everybody.

1258
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: I'll say you in a couple of weeks as well.

1259
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: Great job by Danny all week, who's been covering for

1260
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: our web media department. No one's been here about him,

1261
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: so he's done a yoman's work all week. And now

1262
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: I wanna mind everybody. If you weren't paying attention when

1263
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: I said the start of the show, i'll say it

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Speaker 1: again now. No show tomorrow and then no shows all

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Speaker 1: of next week. So hopefully you've got your fill of

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Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoff Live and we'll talk to you the

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Speaker 1: Monday after the fourth, and i'll talk to in two weeks,

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Enjoy your fourth Audios.