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Speaker 1: Welcome to hollywood Land, the Rap Party. Welcome everybody to

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Speaker 1: another bonus episode of hollywood Land. You know what time

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Speaker 1: rum floor, my name is Zeth Lundy, writer at Double Elvis,

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Speaker 1: showrunner for hollywood Land. And on this bonus episode, we

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Speaker 1: your voicemails, text dms, and emails. So come on, everybody,

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Speaker 1: let's party. There's this incredible photo that was taken back

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Speaker 1: Give me something different. What sequel besides the Godfather Part

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Speaker 1: Jake Brennan, what's up?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was thinking about this last night. Didn't we

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Speaker 1: What was that in relationship? What was that in relationship?

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Speaker 3: We went into a Mo Green Morocca gloryhole. That's a wormhole. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: So that's the behind the scenes fodder is what you're

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Speaker 1: and Matt, let's start with this voicemail from the eighth five.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake and listening to the hollywood Land after Party

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Speaker 4: Harrison Board episode awesome And yeah, you guys are talking

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Speaker 4: about Great Western, which is awesome. I just read we

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Speaker 4: begin at the end off of Jake's recommendation fantastic book,

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Speaker 4: and you were talking about Joe Pickett series. Yeah, wife

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely cool. Hey, Stacey, I'm glad that you're digging

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Speaker 1: in some of the best westerns ever made. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: this list is definitive. Okay, okay, in no order. Number one,

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Speaker 1: The Searchers. So I've been waiting for this to come up.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly exactly you're going to say. I wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: The Searchers all Teimer for sure, The Wild Bunch, the Good,

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Speaker 1: Shane Silverado, You're welcome, Pat in Perth, Scotland.

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Speaker 2: The back half of that list from Rio Bravo. Who's

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Speaker 1: I have not seen a lot of the movies in

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Speaker 3: You know, I could just tell people the descendant of

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Speaker 1: LAMB Pod. Jake and I've got some recommendations for you

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Speaker 1: based on this week's Hollywood Land subject Alex Rocco, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get right into those right after these ads,

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Speaker 1: So don't go anywhere, all right, everybody, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the rap parties. Zeth Lundy here with Jake Brennan coming

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Speaker 1: at you with the part of the rap party. We

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Speaker 1: call for your consideration. This is where Jake and I

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Speaker 1: give you you music and movie recommendations. But the twist

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Speaker 1: is that they are recommendations inspired by the subject from

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Speaker 1: our full episode of hollywood Land this week. So with

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Speaker 1: that said, Jake, what music res inspired by Alex Rocco

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Speaker 1: are you bringing today?

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Speaker 3: I gotta admit I completely fucked up and I did

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Speaker 3: Morocca recommendations.

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Speaker 1: What we're going to?

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Speaker 2: I was wondering why this was so hard. I gotta

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Speaker 2: I got a.

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Speaker 3: Mo Larry and Curly reference. What was the Mo Larry

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Speaker 3: and Curly song from the eighties?

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Speaker 2: Remember that, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I almost I almost did have Three Stooges thing, So

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't. If you're gonna go there, I.

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Speaker 3: Have no Three Stooges recommendations except watched the Three Stooges

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Speaker 3: because it's fucking genius. Yes it is, okay, So Alex Roka,

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Speaker 3: Alex Roka Okay, I think, oh Rocco Rocco.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck, that's right, that's right, Moroca. Oh. I can't

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Speaker 2: I do this right?

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Speaker 1: I did do?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I screwed up already I did. I literally

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Speaker 2: did Alex Roka even though it's Alex Rocco got me

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Speaker 2: to Alex Roka Roka, rolla, okay, rock a rolla all right?

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Speaker 3: The sign off from Disgraceland, one of the hundred greatest

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Speaker 3: podcasts of all time.

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Speaker 2: I just found out we'll talk more about that in

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Speaker 2: Disgrace Land. RockA Rolla.

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Speaker 3: People have often asked me and I tell them this answer,

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Speaker 3: and I get very little feedback from it. But it's

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Speaker 3: from the Judas Priest song RockA Rolla from their debut

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Speaker 3: album nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 2: Is RockA Rolla. The song is incredible.

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Speaker 3: I you know, I knew the song when I started

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Speaker 3: recording Disgraceland and writing Disgrace.

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Speaker 2: I had no intention of using that as a sign off.

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Speaker 3: It's just something that came to mind and I said

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Speaker 3: it immediately, and I just without any thought, I said it,

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Speaker 3: and I just kept saying it.

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Speaker 2: Well, now RockA Rolla, which I highly highly recommend as

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Speaker 2: a song.

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Speaker 3: It's great, It's Judas Priests, it's got harmonica, it's so

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Speaker 3: fucking good.

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Speaker 2: And anyways, it's a big part of.

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Speaker 1: All the best songs Haica.

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Speaker 3: The seventies albums are wild when they don't really quite

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Speaker 3: know what they're doing yet. Yeah, it's great. All this

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Speaker 3: stuff is great. Everything with Rob Halvard's great. Anyhow, that

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Speaker 3: song is a huge part of the book that I'm writing,

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Speaker 3: and if there's all this sort of like synchronicity between

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Speaker 3: the lyrics and stuff that I was already writing that

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Speaker 3: I didn't even really know. We're part of the song.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy what you're gonna hear about at some point.

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Speaker 3: But if you have never heard RockA Rolla by Judas Priest,

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Speaker 3: and the album's one thing and it's it's really good,

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Speaker 3: but the song is great, go check that out from

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 2: So Alex Roco Roka rock a Rolla, Alex Alex Rocco.

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Speaker 3: This is really hard for me to say. And I

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Speaker 3: thought of how We Winter? Have we talked about in

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Speaker 3: this in this after party, of the connection to how

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Speaker 3: We Winter?

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Speaker 1: Yet I can't guess the majority of my B block is

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Speaker 1: about that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so people know who how We wentter is? They

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Speaker 3: get the they get that how We Winter? Who was

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Speaker 3: from Summerville? You know who else was from Summerville? Donna Summer.

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of you might be thinking, what Donna

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Speaker 3: Summer do I actually need recommend it to me and

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Speaker 3: you need her first single, Love.

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Speaker 2: To Love You Baby by Donna Summer. Have you heard

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Speaker 2: the songs?

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Speaker 1: Of course I've heard this song.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean a lot of people have a

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Speaker 2: lot of people. I think I knew this.

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Speaker 3: Song, but I didn't know it as a Donna Summer song, Okay,

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Speaker 3: until until I really dug into the studio fifty four

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Speaker 3: research and now for the Disgracend episode, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a Donna Summerson produced by great Italian disco dude

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Speaker 3: producer Jorgio Moroder.

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Speaker 2: Just incredible, incredible.

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Speaker 3: It's borderline pornographic this song, the unedited version, not the

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Speaker 3: single version, the unedited version, which you should listen to

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Speaker 3: on Spotify or.

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Speaker 2: Wherever you get your music.

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Speaker 3: It's and all the sort of erotica that's in it

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Speaker 3: is I read somewhere the Jorgio Moroder was basically trying

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Speaker 3: to get her to do her impersonation of Marilyn Monroe,

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Speaker 3: and she just went into this like this whole thing,

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Speaker 3: which you'll hear, fantastic song. And again I get to

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Speaker 3: Donna Summer via Somerville, Massachusetts via Howie Winter via Alex Rocco.

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Speaker 1: Okay, got it, got it, got it all right.

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Speaker 3: Now, mo Green, the great Alex Roco character from the Godfather,

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Speaker 3: famously complaining about Fredo corleyon only banging two cocktail waitresses

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Speaker 3: at a time. You can't think of mo Green. Well,

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Speaker 3: you can't think of Alex Roco without thinking about Mogreen.

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Speaker 3: You can't think about more Green without thinking about Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: And that made me think of the greatest Las Vegas

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Speaker 3: album of all time?

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Speaker 2: Is Zeth.

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Speaker 1: Brar, I blinked.

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Speaker 3: The correct answer is Sinatra at the Sands from nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty six, recorded at the Sands Hotel and Casino, which

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Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra owned a piece of, with some pretty heavyweight

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Speaker 3: dudes from the Mafia American Mafia.

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Speaker 2: This record is incredible.

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Speaker 3: It is Sinatra in peak form with the fucking Count

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Speaker 3: Basie orchestra backing them up. It is heavy. This thing

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Speaker 3: is as heavy as like a helmet album. It is

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Speaker 3: so big sounding, it really is. The brass is just

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Speaker 3: huge in your faith.

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Speaker 1: Next time they reissue that, they need to have that

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Speaker 1: pull quote from you on the on the cover. This

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Speaker 1: heavy as a helmet.

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Speaker 3: And it's also you can hear there's like fifteen this

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Speaker 3: is fifteen minute spoken word thing on side too, and

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Speaker 3: Sinatra's basically doing his Don Rickles impersonation, and he's.

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Speaker 2: Just got the audience in the palm of his hands.

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Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so great.

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Speaker 3: When I think of Vegas in the sixties in that

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Speaker 3: sort of like nostalgic foam a way, this is what

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Speaker 3: I think of, like, you know, this is I know

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Speaker 3: it wasn't always like this, but this is the best

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Speaker 3: representation of Las Vegas. If Mo Rocco was a real dude,

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Speaker 3: he would have been at this gig with Fredo keeping

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Speaker 3: him away from the cocktail waitresses. It is so so great.

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Speaker 3: If you haven't heard Sinatra at the Sands, go check

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Speaker 3: that out.

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Speaker 1: How do you think Sinatra would have done performing helmets

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Speaker 1: on sung.

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Speaker 2: I think great, He's Sinatra. I think he would have done.

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Speaker 3: And you know that melody is pretty great, real easy

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Speaker 3: melody too. It's a good one, but it's all kind

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Speaker 3: of you know, he would have killed it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let me gracefully segue here into movie recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Alex Rocco was in The Godfather famously, as we've talked about.

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Speaker 1: He was also in the Friends of Eddie Coyle, which

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Speaker 1: I talked about earlier. He was in a ton of

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Speaker 1: stuff throughout the seventies and eighties, a ton of TV

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Speaker 1: Starsky and Hutch Rockford Files. He was Golden Girls, he

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Speaker 1: was Joe's father on the Facts of Life. He even

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Speaker 1: won an Emmy for this TV show, the Famous teddy

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Speaker 1: Z that he made I think in the mid to

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Speaker 1: late eighties, somewhere in there. It was his one award

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Speaker 1: he won.

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Speaker 2: Dude, we were talking about Party Down this morning. He's

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Speaker 2: in Party Down.

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Speaker 1: He's in Party Down.

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Speaker 3: Heah, He's at the end of Party Down with Jane Lynch.

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Speaker 3: He plays like Jane Lynch's rich studio mogul.

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Speaker 2: Huz.

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Speaker 1: This guy was like everywhere and I didn't really realize

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Speaker 1: it until looking back it said. Man, he was like

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Speaker 1: from my childhood, all these shows that were on, like

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Speaker 1: Nick at Night he was in.

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Speaker 2: You know, at one point was the mafia like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's the guy we want to kill. Let's go kill him.

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Speaker 2: That didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I know, Hey, he started that whole whole thing down

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Speaker 1: on the beach and you know, yeah, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know crazy anyway. So this is to say

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Speaker 1: that I'm not picking Alex Roco movies or performances here,

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Speaker 1: but I just got to thinking about Friends of Eddie

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Speaker 1: Coyle being this the underrated flip of the coin from

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Speaker 1: The Godfather's you know, well known place in history. So

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Speaker 1: I got thinking about underrated seventies crime movies, and these

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Speaker 1: have kind of been on my mind as of late

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Speaker 1: because I've watched a lot of them just randomly on

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Speaker 1: TV recently. So I wanted to shout out three underrated

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Speaker 1: seventies crime movies. Okay, Bread and Butter right here, but

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Speaker 1: love Okay number one and I think you and I

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Speaker 1: talked about this off Mike earlier. But this movie called

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Speaker 1: Night Moves from nineteen seventy five with Gene Hackman, who

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Speaker 1: is a former pro football player who's now a private

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Speaker 1: eye and he's hired to find this missing girl. It's

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Speaker 1: directed by Arthur Penn, who's known for Bonnie and Clyde.

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Speaker 1: Was like, what he's really known for Gene Hackman. He's

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Speaker 1: played you know, cops, FBI agents, he played a blind

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Speaker 1: guy and Young Frankenstein and the funniest seeing Young Frankenstein.

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Speaker 1: But this made me realize, more than anything, we needed

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Speaker 1: more Gene Hackman as a private dick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: He's perfectly constructed as the cynical yes, yes, pissy, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean but he kind of he kind of just

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Speaker 3: fucking killed it as Popeye Doyle, like.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he was essentially doing yeah right.

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Speaker 2: How do you beat that?

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Speaker 3: I guess he probably didn't want to typecast himself, which

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Speaker 3: is why he didn't do it often that.

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Speaker 1: It's very true. It's very true. This movie is I

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Speaker 1: really hadn't heard much about it at all until recently

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Speaker 1: it popped up on Criterion Channel. And if you're into

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Speaker 1: seventies movies, crime movies and you have not seen this,

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Speaker 1: definitely check it out.

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Speaker 2: Who's the female lead in that? Do we talk about this?

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Speaker 2: It's not Sally Field.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Melanie Griffith is the girl. She's like super young too.

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Speaker 1: Might eve been like her first role. Speaking of PI movies,

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Speaker 1: The Longabye Robert Allman's nineteen seventy three adaptation of Raymond

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Speaker 1: Chandler's novel, Ellie goul plays Philip Marlowe, okay, Philip marlow

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Speaker 1: played by Humphrey Bogart. Back in the day and rewatching

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Speaker 1: this The longa Bye recently, I realized that I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say that The Big Sleep, which

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Speaker 1: is another Marlowe book by Chandler that was turned into

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Speaker 1: a movie, that William Faulkner wrote the screenplay for or

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Speaker 1: whatever Bogert The Bogart was in. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: say that The Big Lebowski is based on The Big Sleep,

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Speaker 1: and then it's got this complicated that the plot structure

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Speaker 1: is very similar and it has this complicated can't figure

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Speaker 1: it out plot, what's it all mean kind of a thing.

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Speaker 1: But watching The longa Bye again for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a while as a spiritual partner to Lebowski, this

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Speaker 1: is so much closer because Elliott Gould's performance. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've seen this in a while. He's like

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Speaker 1: he's so just like in and out of everything, kind

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Speaker 1: of dopey and like it's just it's very much in

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Speaker 1: conversation with Lebowski.

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Speaker 2: He's completely detached. He's completely cool too, like.

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Speaker 1: Just he's lighting his matches on anything he walks past.

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Speaker 3: And Okay, the theory of the character Altman must have

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Speaker 3: done this on purpose. The Raymond Carver Philip Marlow character

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Speaker 3: in the seventies Long Goodbye that you're talking about, theory

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Speaker 3: is that he doesn't exist and he's a man out

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Speaker 3: of time. And then every like if you look at him,

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Speaker 3: like he's wearing a suit from the Boguart era. He's everything,

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Speaker 3: he's striking matches, you know what I mean, Like everything

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Speaker 3: he's doing is out of the time.

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Speaker 2: That it's in, which is the seventies. A fantastic theory.

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Speaker 1: His neighbors, those girls are like getting naked and having parties,

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Speaker 1: and he's just kind of like yeah, and he walks

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Speaker 1: out going for the cat food.

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Speaker 2: All right, quick, quick, quick trivia on the Longa Bye.

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Speaker 3: Who's who's the California governor who had his I believe

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Speaker 3: his first film role ever in The Longa Bye.

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Speaker 2: The correct answer is Ernold Schwarzenegger.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, he's Yes, he's the muscle Yes, I yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I gave you two seconds he would have

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Speaker 2: got there.

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Speaker 1: That's that's fine, that's fine. Matt edited that down to

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Speaker 1: like half a second. Make it seem like I.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that. Take away the drama, all right.

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Speaker 1: Number three Mikey and Nicky, which is a nineteen seventy

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Speaker 1: six movie written and directed by Elaine May with John

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Speaker 1: Cassavettis and Peter Falk. It's like if you took Cassavetti's

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Speaker 1: DIY m prov style and you squeezed it into a

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Speaker 1: more conventional narrative. Not that this movie is conventional by

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Speaker 1: any stretch, not even close. But you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to say, though, right, it feels like.

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Speaker 2: You're fucking there with these dudes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, really really, but it has a structure of

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Speaker 1: like a Hollywood film, though in a way that a

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Speaker 1: Cassavetes film wouldn't have. I guess it's my point, right, it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like it's filmed running gone like Cassavettes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And as much as I love Cassavetties the

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Speaker 1: movies he made, I really love watching him try to

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Speaker 1: do his thing in the confines of someone else's vision,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Rosemary's Baby or Mikey and NICKI.

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Speaker 1: I love Cassavetes just being Cassavettes. And when he's not

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Speaker 1: in control, man.

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Speaker 3: He is like he's heavenly, He's he's so in this movie,

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Speaker 3: he's so I don't know, I don't know how to

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Speaker 3: describe it.

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Speaker 2: I can't.

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Speaker 3: I literally can't find a word to describe how compelling

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Speaker 3: he is in this film. That guy was extra in

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Speaker 3: so many different ways. And I agree with you one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent. It's great to see him working in the

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Speaker 3: Sandbox with somebody else. What else did Ela May direct?

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Speaker 1: She directed the original Heartbreak Kid, which was a few

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Speaker 1: years before Mike and Nikki. She wrote and directed Ishtar,

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Speaker 1: which was a famous bomb in the eighties. Okay, she

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00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: wrote the Birdcage. Yeah, the uncredited writing stuff is nuts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: uncredited actress in the Graduate, but that makes sense because

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Speaker 1: of Mike Couples. Yep, she's also in Mikey and Nikky

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00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: Shed but an uncredited writer on Red's on Tutsie, right

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Speaker 1: on Labyrinth, on Dangerous Minds.

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Speaker 3: How we got to know how this happens? But anyways,

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Speaker 3: she directed Ishtar in Crackpot and Mike and Nikki and

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Speaker 3: then before that the Heartbreak Kid, and before that back

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Speaker 3: in seventy one a New Leaf.

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Speaker 2: So not a huge.

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Speaker 3: Directorial career, which is wild. So made her career, I

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Speaker 3: guess as a writer more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the you know, the comedy team she had

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Speaker 1: with with Mike Nichols early on of course as well.

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Speaker 1: So well, there you go. There are recommendations for this week,

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Speaker 1: and we're at the end of the recommendation section, which

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Speaker 1: you know what time it is, it's time for I

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Speaker 1: don't know what is it time for It's time for

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Speaker 1: a swim? Is it time for a sub? What's going

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Speaker 1: on today? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Man? I think you're gonna make myself a big bowl

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Speaker 3: of tuna with a.

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Speaker 2: Bunch of onions in it. Yeah, and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: celery yep.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's really good? You gotta put in

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Speaker 1: there too?

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 1: This is what I do because tuna is my go

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Speaker 1: to thing a lot of times for lunch as well.

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Speaker 1: Pepper and chini's.

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Speaker 2: In the tuna. Yeah, you like the spice in the tuna?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you do that. Yeah, it's a nice little touch.

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Speaker 3: You're a fucking animal, man, that's nice. I used to

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Speaker 3: tuna to cool the spice down. You know, how are

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Speaker 3: you with the Italian in tuna sandwich? The tono? No, mao,

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Speaker 3: just onions, capers and the olive oil.

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Speaker 1: You lost me at capers. I can't. I can't hang

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 3: You can do antoviys instead of capers, Sure I would,

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Speaker 3: I would do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Antoby's with tuna.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

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Speaker 2: That's a protein bomb. Oh dude, I'm getting hungry.

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Speaker 1: All right, I gotta go. All right, I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next week. Everybody else, don't go anywhere, because I'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with some final thoughts right after this.

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Speaker 1: What's happening everybody, thanks once again for getting to the

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Speaker 1: end of the line here with me and the wrap party.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here,

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Speaker 1: all right, and on your way out, let me know

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Speaker 1: what I should be checking out, what I should be watching, reading,

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Speaker 1: listening to. I'm always looking for your recommendations. I'm always

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Speaker 1: looking for your recommendations of subjects that we should be

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Speaker 1: covering in future brand new episodes of Hollywood Land. So

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Speaker 1: let me know six one seven nine oh six six

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Speaker 1: six three eight and until we meet again. Four things

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Speaker 1: that I want you to know Number one, available right

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Speaker 1: now in your Hollywood Land feed. Our episode on Alex Rocko.

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Speaker 1: Number two coming next week on Monday. Our episode on

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Speaker 1: Lindsay Lohan Number three. Do you listen to Disgraceland, Jake's

814
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Speaker 1: other award winning show made four and about rock and

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Speaker 1: roll animals, the og Music and True Crime pod. If not,

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Speaker 1: you are missing out, just go search up Disgraceland wherever

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Speaker 1: you get podcasts. And now, in honor of this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: me reading you the list of the top movies from

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, the year that Alex Rocko scored his

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Speaker 1: first role in a Hollywood film. Number one The Sound

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Speaker 1: of Music, directed by Robert Wise. Number two, Doctor Javago,

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Speaker 1: directed by David Lean. Number three Thunderbolls directed by Terrence Young,

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Speaker 1: the director, Silver Sea. Number four, It's the Number eight,

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Speaker 1: Those Magnificent Mens to their Flying Machines, directed by ken

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Speaker 1: Anna Kelliott, Silver STA nine, Number five, Number the Great

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Speaker 1: Race direct directed by Andrew Lake, Edward's Y. Number Number six,

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Speaker 1: Lions That Darn Cat and directed directed by Robert Stevenson.

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Speaker 1: Number seven Quit Talking and start mixing?

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Speaker 3: Could it