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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's hour two on this Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Dan and the Dan It's Dan Patrick Show spend a

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Speaker 2: lot of time at the first hour reminiscing about the

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Speaker 2: say hey kid, Willie Mays passing away at the age

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Speaker 2: of ninety three. You got the Celtics parade set for Friday.

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Speaker 2: We will have a game six Friday with the Oilers

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Speaker 2: beating the Panthers. If you're going to have a parade,

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Speaker 2: a Friday parade is really good and really bad because

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Speaker 2: take the day off, maybe a half day. Maybe Friday

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Speaker 2: leaks into Saturday and then drips into Sunday, and then

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Speaker 2: maybe you come to your senses and you get ready

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Speaker 2: to go to work on Monday. But Celtic's parade set

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Speaker 2: for Friday. Celtics reportedly win the title, then they go

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Speaker 2: to Florida to party. Why are you going to Miami party?

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Speaker 2: How about Vegas?

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Speaker 3: Maybe? Can you just stay in boss?

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Speaker 4: Oh it's wrong with Miami?

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Speaker 3: Well, I know, but that's also that just seems kind

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Speaker 3: of I don't know, Miami. You're the Celtics. You don't

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Speaker 3: go down there to Miami.

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Speaker 4: Think Miami is kind of a hotbed right now. It's

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Speaker 4: kind of where like the world is going to party.

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Speaker 2: But it's still You're the Celtics. You don't like the

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Speaker 2: Miami heat. You don't want to be there in Miami

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Speaker 2: celebrating on their turf. Exactly. Oh okay, I see what.

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Speaker 2: I see the approach you're taking. I mean, like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, how about we wait until after Friday, do

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Speaker 2: the parade, and then we disperse, then we go Vegas.

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Speaker 4: After the parade, I don't have to see any of

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Speaker 4: you guys until camp starts.

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Speaker 3: You think they're tired of seeing each other? Likely? Likely?

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Speaker 5: Oh, without question. Okay, the parade is the climax and

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Speaker 5: if we.

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Speaker 4: All go home, okay, Like Jalen Brown is like, yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: we do this together.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I love Jason Tatum. I love Jason Tated, He's my brother.

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Speaker 4: We need to do this together right up until after

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Speaker 4: the parade and now I'll see in a couple months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see ya.

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Speaker 2: Late last hour, Woje said the Pistons are firing Monty Williams.

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Speaker 2: He still has five years, sixty five million dollars left

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Speaker 2: on his deal. This just in from Wojes. The Pacers

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Speaker 2: are going to sign Pascal Siakam to a one hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty nine million dollar deal four years for one

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty nine million dollars. That is a max contract.

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Speaker 2: He's a good player. It's just weird that, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's not must see TV. You would think for numbers

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Speaker 2: like that, you'd be like, man, people are going to

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Speaker 2: come out and see him. All right, he's going to

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Speaker 2: give you a twenty one and eight. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: thirty years of age, all right, pile Scow, good.

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Speaker 3: Good job there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, uh Marvin, Yeah, he's a good player, but he's

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Speaker 5: not a media guide type of player, like come see

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Speaker 5: Jason Tatum and the Boston Celtics. No one says, come

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Speaker 5: see Pascal Siakam in the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's not like you know the ticket you

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Speaker 2: know that they the ticket stub or the program for

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Speaker 2: each game. Come out and see it's a passqual versus

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. Just not going to be that way. But

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Speaker 2: all right, this is going right now. That's what's crazy

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Speaker 2: because when you go three hundred million dollars for a

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Speaker 2: max deal with this guy or this guy, and you

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Speaker 2: think that there would be something extra that goes along

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Speaker 2: with that other than well, these TV deals are worth

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars. Somebody's got to get paid here, and

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Speaker 2: that's the trickle down. It just thirty million is like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you make thirty million. Used to be making thirty million

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Speaker 2: in a career. Now it's like, uh, yeah, I'm only

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Speaker 2: making I'm only making thirty million dollars a year.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, if you're a fringe NBA player in the

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Speaker 5: G League right now, you're at the three point line,

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Speaker 5: let me make one hundred thousand and three pointers so

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Speaker 5: I can at least try to get some of this money.

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Speaker 5: Because there's, like we always say, there's a difference between

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Speaker 5: being like right.

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Speaker 6: There and not being right there.

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Speaker 5: Like, you know what, if I can make forty percent

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Speaker 5: of my three pointers, I can make thirty million dollars

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Speaker 5: a year just being a three and D guy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I could be Jaden McDaniels. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, even Klay Thompson now at his age, he's going

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Speaker 2: to be, you know, forty million dollars a year to

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Speaker 2: just be a catch and shoot guy with Orlando or

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Speaker 2: staying with Golden Steak. Stat of the Day brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Panini America, the official trading cards of the program.

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Speaker 2: The toughest cycling race of the year is back, the

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Speaker 2: Tour de France the world's top cyclist and the twenty

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Speaker 2: one day journey close to three thousand miles, I believe,

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Speaker 2: and you can stream it exclusively all race long Saturday

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning on Peacock. I'm watching the thirty for thirty

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Speaker 2: on Lance Armstrong. It's actually two parts, and we've had

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Speaker 2: Lance on the show. You can't help but dislike him

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Speaker 2: when you hear him in this documentary. But there's also

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Speaker 2: I have admiration for him because it's a dirty sport.

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Speaker 2: It's been a dirty sport well before Lance Armstrong. But

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Speaker 2: he saw it and then he said, I want what

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Speaker 2: the Italian team is taking. And then he found out

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Speaker 2: that it was something called EPO and he called it bleeping'

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Speaker 2: rocket fuel. He was taking what you were taking. And

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Speaker 2: then he became the greatest cyclist of all time. It's

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Speaker 2: almost like Barry Bond said, oh wait, I'm not the

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Speaker 2: best player. It's Maguire and Sosa. How about I take

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Speaker 2: what they're taking. I'm going to tell you, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to show you what I can do. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: put up numbers that are going to blow everybody away,

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Speaker 2: and that's exactly what he did. Roger Clemens may have

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Speaker 2: looked and said, you know, hey, these guys are using

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Look what I'm going to do when I go to Toronto.

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Speaker 2: And Lance did that with the tour, defronts the problem

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Speaker 2: I always have with Lance. Now, once again, if you

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Speaker 2: said somebody's going to raise one hundred million dollars for

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Speaker 2: cancer research, Okay, what's the downside, Well, he cheated and

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Speaker 2: he was very vindictive to those who called him out

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Speaker 2: for cheating. And that's what happened. On one hand, you

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Speaker 2: have Livestrong that was unbelievable. But then you have the

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Speaker 2: other side of this and if Lance had but Lance

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Speaker 2: couldn't do this. He couldn't approach it any other way

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Speaker 2: than how he approached everything.

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Speaker 3: He was aggressive, bleep.

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Speaker 2: You, I'm going to do it my way, and if

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Speaker 2: you get my way, I'm coming after you. And that's

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Speaker 2: what he did. And he's suing people. That's the that's

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Speaker 2: the harsh part all of it. Of all of it,

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Speaker 2: you can't like him, But there's part of me that

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Speaker 2: he came back from testicular cancer just that alone, to

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Speaker 2: ride in the tort front and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: you realize, if you're going to be one of his teammates,

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Speaker 2: you got to use, and then everybody else who's using.

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Speaker 2: I think they had a race. I don't know when

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Speaker 2: it was, but they were trying to find somebody who

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Speaker 2: actually passed a drug test and they went down to

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Speaker 2: the twenty fourth place finisher and declared that person the winner.

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Speaker 2: But Lance, fascinating guy. Didn't read the room very well,

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Speaker 2: but fascinating guy. And you know, I'd seen the documentary.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I just felt like I wanted to

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Speaker 2: revisit it, you know when I saw a commercial for

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Speaker 2: a promo for the Twitter France. Because we don't care

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Speaker 2: about it like the way we did. It's like America's Cup.

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Speaker 2: The only time we cared about it is when we

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Speaker 2: lost it, Like we truly were like we got to

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Speaker 2: get that cup back. All these billionaires in there, you know,

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Speaker 2: their yachts and we got to get that back. Didn't

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Speaker 2: mean anything for us, like our pride was it those

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Speaker 2: Aueses took our America's Cup.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Pauline, and I remember at the time it was

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Speaker 7: the French media that was attacking Lance Armstrong the most,

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Speaker 7: which rallied American sports fans against the French media, not

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Speaker 7: against Lance Armstrong. I remember a day we were doing

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Speaker 7: the show, and I'm pretty sure as Floyd Landis, the

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Speaker 7: former cyclist accused Lance of something, we didn't even have

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Speaker 7: a chance to have Fritzy call for Lance. Lance's representative

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Speaker 7: called us and said he'd like to come on your

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Speaker 7: show to talk about this. We didn't even have to

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Speaker 7: book him. He booked himself on our show to fight

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Speaker 7: this accusation, which was.

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Speaker 6: True, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Floyd was the whistleblower here, the former Tor Defronce winner.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's kind of fascinating how we all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden became a fan of the Tour Defronce, like

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Speaker 2: we cared about it. But it's just because of the

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Speaker 2: nationalism that went on with that with Lance, Yes.

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Speaker 4: And the way Lance handled all of those accusations became

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Speaker 4: the blueprint of how everyone should handle being accused of

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Speaker 4: steroid ass Look at see Lance, That's what an innocent

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Speaker 4: you know, tarnishing his name. That's how you handle it.

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Speaker 4: If you're really innocent, you go sue. Oh, yeah, he

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Speaker 4: attacked his attackers. Yeah, didn't end up well, but but

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Speaker 4: you know that he's still Lance Armstrong. It's not one

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Speaker 4: of those like they took away everything and he got

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Speaker 4: sued by the government. He had to pay the He

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Speaker 4: was supposed to pay them one hundred million dollars. They

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Speaker 4: settled for five million dollars. So it was like serious stuff.

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Speaker 2: Here, But it could have been a remarkable story even

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Speaker 2: if he didn't win. The tour defronts, you know, coming

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Speaker 2: back testicular cancer. But he talks about started using when

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Speaker 2: he was like twenty years of age, and the sport

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Speaker 2: has been dirty. They talk about cyclists who did amphetamines,

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Speaker 2: some did cocaine. This is back in the you know,

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Speaker 2: like I don't know, fifties, so it's been dirty for decades.

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Speaker 2: But I like that the French got upset because Lance

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Speaker 2: was dominating. And it's okay if one of their cyclists cheats,

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Speaker 2: but Lance can't cheat and then call us names. We're

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Speaker 2: not gonna we're gonna stay. We got principles here. But

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Speaker 2: Lance fascinating. But the fact that he talked about this

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Speaker 2: EPO and he said it was like rocket fuel, and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he's doing what other teams

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Speaker 2: are doing, and then he dominated. But it is pretty fascinating.

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Speaker 2: All right, poll question Seaton for the final hour, for

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Speaker 2: this hour and clean up from last hour.

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Speaker 4: Let's say we've got up there. Should Florida be nervous?

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Speaker 4: I'll let you decide what exactly that means. Well, the Panthers, Oh, well,

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Speaker 4: we're just going to leave it as Florida. Should Florida

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Speaker 4: be nervous?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Dan Lebtard lives there. Yes, you should have some

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Speaker 3: studios or no, not yet.

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Speaker 4: Right now absolutely has seventy two percent of the vote.

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Speaker 4: And if you could go back in history and watch

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Speaker 4: one player, Babe Babe Wooth, Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Jesse Owens,

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Speaker 4: Wilt Chamberlain, right, and now forty four percent of the vote,

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Speaker 4: does Babe Ruth?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that's the wrong decision.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would have taken Jesse Owens at the nineteen thirty

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Speaker 2: six Olympics. He's currently in last Okay, Well, then people

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Speaker 2: aren't very smart. Yeah smart, I can car.

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Speaker 5: I know he's not on the board, but I'm going

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Speaker 5: to take Aba Julie Irving. Okay, from what I've heard,

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Speaker 5: and he seems like a mythical figure when he was

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Speaker 5: in the ABA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody sent me an outline of Doctor Jay's hand.

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Speaker 11: Well, this has been lingering for a while, and I

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Speaker 11: Is he coming back? Maybe I'm coming back. If he

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Speaker 11: I think it is. For the people who bet on it.

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Speaker 3: It was the biggest sure thing exactly. He came back

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Speaker 3: Way, Mike.

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Speaker 11: Yes, maybe he should have won it in twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: Hey, Dan, some of us are still trying to make money.

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Speaker 11: Here's here's the thing that was my big takeaway.

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Speaker 11: You've been doing this twenty years, you know when mandatory

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Speaker 11: He comes off as hypocritical by not being there because

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Speaker 3: How would it go if you met Aaron Rodgers, You.

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Speaker 11: Not well for me. I can't wait to turn sixty, Dan,

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Speaker 11: I've done some research. Most states have laws that protect

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Speaker 11: us once we reach sixty, so if someone hits us,

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Speaker 11: they get slapped with elder abuse charges. So I'm going

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Speaker 11: to be even more of an ass when.

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Speaker 3: You're due for an ass kicking, though, Mike.

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Speaker 11: I'm gonna be more of an ass when I turned six.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, I would love I think that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 11: and I have some things in common. I'd like to

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Speaker 11: think I could maybe get through to him and we

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Speaker 11: can have a real debate. But that's the thing. He

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Speaker 11: never wants to talk to anybody who might disagree with him.

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Speaker 11: He goes on all these safe space podcasts and says

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Speaker 11: all this crazy stuff, and the hosts never say, dude,

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Speaker 11: you gotta you gotta maybe try decaf or you know,

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Speaker 11: maybe read a different book. Or everything isn't a conspiracy.

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Speaker 11: I love a good conspiracy theory. I love one, not

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Speaker 11: a thousand of them. It can't be that everything is

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Speaker 11: the product of some massive government conspiracy.

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Speaker 6: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can you.

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Speaker 6: Set it up?

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Speaker 11: Can you broker it? Sure you can do it, Milford,

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Speaker 11: I'll come up, get him there. I'll be there and

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Speaker 11: he's not far away.

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Speaker 2: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk Live co host, Is there

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Speaker 2: anything to this Chief's Kansas City, Missouri situation?

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Speaker 11: Well, this is great for the Chiefs. Chiefs and Royals

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Speaker 11: win no matter what, because you've got voters in Jackson County,

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Speaker 11: Missouri who have said, no, way know how, we're not

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Speaker 11: going to extend to sales TAC to renovate Arrowhead and

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Speaker 11: build a new stadium for the Royals. So fine, what

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Speaker 11: do you do. We're gonna keep our options open. Well,

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Speaker 11: they're not gonna relocate. You just have to go across

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Speaker 11: the border. This is perfect. This is the great option

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Speaker 11: for any team that's trying to get taxpayer money. You

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Speaker 11: get two states that are right on the state line,

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Speaker 11: and all you gotta do is slide across to the

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Speaker 11: other side and you get what you're looking for. So

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Speaker 11: Kansas passes, the House of Representatives passes a measure to

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Speaker 11: pay for new stadiums for both teams. The Senate's got

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Speaker 11: to act on it, but they're moving quickly. Special Session.

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Speaker 11: Off they go. Chiefs have at least through twenty thirty.

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Speaker 11: Nothing stops them from striking a deal with Kansas, but

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Speaker 11: I assume Missouri is going to try to come up

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Speaker 11: with something and whatever it is, Chiefs, it's great. You

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Speaker 11: have two suitors. They're gonna bid and bid and bid

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Speaker 11: and bid, and you just sit back and wait for

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Speaker 11: the best offer and you pick one or the other.

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Speaker 11: This is great for the Chiefs. They don't have to

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Speaker 11: threaten to move. They're going to get what they want,

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Speaker 11: either from Kansas or Missouri.

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Speaker 2: What does it mean to the fans with this lawsuit

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Speaker 2: the NFL is fighting right now.

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Speaker 11: Well, it potentially means that the way NFL games are

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Speaker 11: made available out of market games, games that aren't just

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Speaker 11: served up on Sunday afternoon by your local CBS or

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Speaker 11: Fox affiliate, that will be revolutionized. It will be cheaper.

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Speaker 11: You might be able to buy it one team at

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Speaker 11: a time if you want the Sunday ticket package, not

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Speaker 11: the whole thing for the whole season. I've always thought

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Speaker 11: something seemed off about Sunday ticket They market it as Hey,

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Speaker 11: if you're a Packers fan living in Pittsburgh, you can

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Speaker 11: watch all the Packers game. Well, yeah, you also can

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Speaker 11: watch all the others because you have to buy all

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Speaker 11: the others. You got to buy the whole damn thing

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Speaker 11: every week for every team. It's always seemed wrong to me.

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Speaker 11: So if this results in a loss for the NFL,

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Speaker 11: you've got the potential for a major payment that's going

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Speaker 11: to be made to millions of class members. But the

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Speaker 11: NFL is ain't going to have to change its ways

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Speaker 11: to avoid future liability. So that's the And I know

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Speaker 11: the NFL probably not probably definitely doesn't want me to

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Speaker 11: say this, but all fans should be rooting for the

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Speaker 11: NFL lose this because then true choice at an affordable

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Speaker 11: price likely will happen for fans who want.

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Speaker 3: To watch out of market games. But we're talking about

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Speaker 3: Alec Cart Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 11: And I mean ESPN was willing to, according to evidence

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Speaker 11: that came out in this trial so far, pay or

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Speaker 11: charge seventy dollars for the whole package when the Sunday

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Speaker 11: ticket was up for bid a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 11: seventy dollars for the whole year, plus a per team option.

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Speaker 11: And there's a document where the NFL makes it clear

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Speaker 11: they don't like that, because the whole argument is the

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Speaker 11: NFL is fixing the price of Sunday ticket at a

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Speaker 11: level that is high enough that a lot of people

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Speaker 11: won't get it and they'll just watch whatever games are

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Speaker 11: available to them in their local market. So if you

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Speaker 11: knock that out and you let ESPN, YouTube, Direct TV,

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Speaker 11: Apple whoever, or say we're going to maximize the subscribers

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Speaker 11: to this thing, We're gonna give it away. Apple there

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Speaker 11: was a report at one point was gonna give it

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Speaker 11: as part of their current Apple TV Plus package at

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Speaker 11: no additional cost. So you can get a lot more

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Speaker 11: people and a lot more choice for the consumer if

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Speaker 11: you don't want to watch whatever happens to be on

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Speaker 11: your local CBS station at one o'clock Eastern on a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Before I let you go this Brandon Ayuk situation, he

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Speaker 2: keeps saying they don't want him in San Francisco. San

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Speaker 2: Francisco says they want him. I know that there was

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Speaker 2: talking Deebo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk, maybe one of the

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Speaker 2: two being traded. So is this just negotiations here?

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Speaker 11: Well, I think the forty nine ers really want to

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Speaker 11: hold the band together for one more year, and that

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Speaker 11: includes Brandon Ayho get fourteen point one million in the

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Speaker 11: fifth year option of his contract from twenty twenty. They

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Speaker 11: definitely want him for fourteen to one. The question is

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Speaker 11: how much do they want to pay him? And I

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Speaker 11: think Dan, as we see the receiver market kind of

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Speaker 11: start to look like the running back market, where there's

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Speaker 11: so many great receivers coming out every year, you have

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Speaker 11: to ask yourself, which guys are gonna get the we're

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Speaker 11: not paying you thirty million a year response from their team.

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Speaker 11: Look at what Malik neighbors, the six overall pick in

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Speaker 11: the draft. Take them by the Giants. He's getting twenty

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Speaker 11: nine million for four years total. So if you can

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Speaker 11: go get great young receiver, get him under a cheap contract,

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Speaker 11: then you might say no to a Brandon Eye. Only

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Speaker 11: the best of the best are going to get top

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Speaker 11: of the market, and I think Brandon Iyock falls in

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Speaker 11: this no man's landed. Hey, Dan, if there was somebody

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Speaker 11: else that was willing to pay him what he wants,

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Speaker 11: he would have been traded before the draft. And now

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Speaker 11: I think he's just trying to agitate for something because

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Speaker 11: he knows the forty nine ers aren't going to give

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Speaker 11: him what he wants and.

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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence's deal, I know Dak Prescott is just saying,

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Speaker 2: all right, but you know, let's let the cash register

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Speaker 2: go up even higher here.

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Speaker 3: How does this play out?

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Speaker 2: Jerry Jones going to be make a good business decision

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Dak Prescott for a change.

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Speaker 11: For a change's key because they waited too long to

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Speaker 11: get him signed to his second contract after his third

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Speaker 11: season when the window opened, they made him play out

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Speaker 11: his rookie deal at like two or three million dollars,

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Speaker 11: which was laughable. Then they tagged him for a year,

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Speaker 11: and then they realized when they were tagging him the

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Speaker 11: second time, we're kind of screwed here because he's one

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Speaker 11: year away from doing the Kirk Cousins thing where he's

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Speaker 11: gonna walk away because we would have to give him

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Speaker 11: an exorbitant amount to tag him a third time. So

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Speaker 11: they were forced to do a contract that put them

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Speaker 11: in the position they're now in. Dan They've got a

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Speaker 11: fifty five million dollar cap charge for Prescott this year,

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Speaker 11: and if he leaves after this year, they have a

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Speaker 11: fifty four million dollar cap charge next year, even if

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Speaker 11: he's not on the team. Their only way to engineer

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Speaker 11: that and get those numbers down is to extend his deal.

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Speaker 11: That's where his leverage comes from. What Trevor Lawrence gets,

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Speaker 11: what Jared Goff got, what Tuatonga Biloha might get, it

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Speaker 11: doesn't matter. Dak has everything in his favor and the

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Speaker 11: Cowboys have painted themselves into a corner that they aren't

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Speaker 11: willing to find a way out of.

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Speaker 2: That eighteen game skilled schedule is just it's lingering, and

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Speaker 2: it feels like the NFL puts it out to get

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Speaker 2: kind of reacting.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know how this works.

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Speaker 2: It's like, let's let people talk about it and then

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Speaker 2: you can ask the commissioner, go, well, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: taking everything into consideration here.

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Speaker 3: How real is eighteen games?

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Speaker 11: I think it happens at the latest with the next CBA,

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Speaker 11: because when push comes to shove Dan, the owners will

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Speaker 11: say we want eighteen games, and if we don't get

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Speaker 11: eighteen games, we'll lock you out until you agree to

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Speaker 11: eighteen games. And the players, as we know from twenty

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Speaker 11: eleven before that nineteen eighty seven with the failed strike,

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Speaker 11: they will not go a year without football. The owners

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Speaker 11: will because they already got their luxury yachts and their

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Speaker 11: billions stashed away here, or they're not. I'm not suggesting

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Speaker 11: there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying that they

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Speaker 11: can go without it for a year. You're a football player,

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Speaker 11: You've got a finite number of years you can play.

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Speaker 11: We have seen time and again they will not shut

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Speaker 11: down the sport for a year. So that's the latest

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Speaker 11: it's going to happen. They will cry uncle when it's

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Speaker 11: time for the next CBA. I think the leg is

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Speaker 11: currently trying to figure out is there a way to

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Speaker 11: go to them now and get them to agree to

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Speaker 11: eighteen games before the CBA expires, because I think dan

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Speaker 11: what the NFL is looking at when you consider what

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Speaker 11: the NBA got on its new TV deals. Yes, the

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Speaker 11: current NFL deals go through twenty thirty three. The league

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Speaker 11: has the right to pull the plug after twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: nine on all of them, and I guarantee you they're

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Speaker 11: going to pull the plug because it's not going to

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Speaker 11: be any worse than what's currently due to be paid

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Speaker 11: to the NFL under the media deals. And if you

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Speaker 11: can go to the table with NBCCBS, Fox, ABC, etc.

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Speaker 11: With eighteen game regular season, you get even more great stuff.

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Speaker 2: Mike is always thanks for joining us, Thanks Nancy, everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live. You can watch

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Speaker 2: it Monday through Friday. It's the show. The precege hours

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Speaker 2: will take a break. Phone calls are coming up after this.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am PS

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Keith and Arizona joins us.

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Speaker 6: Keith.

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Speaker 3: What's on your mind this morning?

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Speaker 13: Dan, Dan, I play a possible poll question for Seaton. Okay,

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Speaker 13: it's a little it's a little maybe too early, and

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Speaker 13: uh maybe a little complicated, but I'm wondering what the

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Speaker 13: passing of Lollie Mays.

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Speaker 12: Who the greatest living baseball player is right now? And

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Speaker 12: I have a few suggestions to fill the uh to

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Speaker 12: fill the questionnaire? I mean, you got the challenging ones

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Speaker 12: with UH, with Pete Morose and Barry Bonds, but Kid

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Speaker 12: Griffy Junior, Johnny Bench, Uh, maybe Derek Jeter, just curious.

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Speaker 2: Sandy Kopek's still alive. Yeah, there's there's quite a few players.

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Speaker 2: Best player of all time? Well, it depends on if

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Speaker 2: you accept what Bonds accomplished, and if you do, then

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Speaker 2: you'd have to say Bonds just from the sheer numbers here,

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Speaker 2: but best player currently alive Junior's in there too, Pete.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't take away Pete's numbers. You can

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Speaker 2: take away Hall of Fame inductee status, but you can't

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Speaker 2: take away what he did as a baseball play. He's

652
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Speaker 2: the winningest player of all time. So i'd probably, you know,

653
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Speaker 2: once again, the need you know, the playing career stands

654
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Speaker 2: apart from what he was doing.

655
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Speaker 3: As a manager.

656
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Speaker 2: Now, was he gambling when he was playing? I don't

657
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Speaker 2: think he started when he was as a manager. But

658
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Speaker 2: if they don't have proof on it, then I'll that

659
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Speaker 2: had nothing to do with his stats. By the way,

660
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Speaker 2: It's not like he was using you know, performance and

661
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Speaker 2: dancing drugs. So I would say Pete is the greatest

662
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Speaker 2: living player right now. I mean, just off the top

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Speaker 2: of my head. Jim in Rochester, Hi Jim, what's on

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Speaker 2: your mind today?

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Speaker 11: Hi?

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Speaker 14: Dan?

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Speaker 15: Watching the finals with some friends in the last week

668
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Speaker 15: and question came up about the best big man shooter

669
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Speaker 15: six ten or taller. And when it came out, I

670
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 15: assumed everyone was going Durant, but I had a different

671
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 15: guy from the seventies obviously. Etually, Jack Sigma came up,

672
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Speaker 15: Dirk and Rick Mount came up, freaking Dan Thissel. But

673
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Speaker 15: I got a guy eight Rookie of the Year early

674
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Speaker 15: seventy one, seventy two, two seventy three, he averages thirty one,

675
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Speaker 15: seventy four, seventy five, MVP.

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Speaker 3: Averages dirty Bob McAdoo, Bob mcadow.

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Speaker 15: I'll take Bob McAdoo all day over Durant. If you

678
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Speaker 15: look at his highlights, he was six or eleven, but

679
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Speaker 15: did not shoot inside of ten feet recently.

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Speaker 6: Yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And look there's a lot of guys in that group.

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Speaker 2: I mean Durant. Durant has knocked down dagger Man, I

683
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Speaker 2: mean just killer. He's the guy if you said he's

684
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Speaker 2: got an o been eighteen footer. Of all the big

685
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Speaker 2: men you're talking about, I'm going to take Durant. I

686
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Speaker 2: just think he's he can't miss Sickmund was great. Dan

687
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Speaker 2: Issel was wondering Jerry Lucas, like, there are guys who

688
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: were great shooters. Isso I think is really underrated. But

689
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: Dirk was. Dirk reinvented the position. I got to factor

690
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Speaker 2: that in. There have been a lot of great shooting

691
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: big men. They just there were a lot like Patrick Ewing.

692
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Speaker 2: We didn't know that he could shoot you know, eighteen

693
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: footers because he didn't do that at Georgetown, and he

694
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 2: got into the NBA and became more of an offensive

695
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 2: force than a defensive force. And he's, you know, probably

696
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Speaker 2: top five defensive players of all time in college basketball.

697
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Speaker 2: So there's there's a lot of big men who have played,

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Speaker 2: who have who have shown range. Larry Bird, is he

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Speaker 2: a big man six ' nine. He's as good as

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Speaker 2: anybody who's ever played. But like, what is it six '

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Speaker 2: ten makes you a big man or six eleven makes

702
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Speaker 2: you a big man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul, I don't think.

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Speaker 7: We should use height with this one because Durant was

705
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 7: never playing the big man role. He was always an

706
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Speaker 7: outside to end player. Novitzky started outside and then went

707
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Speaker 7: to the basket. He didn't you Guys like Jack Sickman,

708
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Speaker 7: Dan Issel and Bill Lambier and Bab McAdoo were listed

709
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Speaker 7: at center or power forward on the team, and they

710
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 7: started as post guys who expanded like sick Man was.

711
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Speaker 7: He looked like a ladder unfolding at seven feet out

712
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Speaker 7: there in the in the eighties. So I think those

713
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Speaker 7: are like centers who shot from deep, and I don't

714
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Speaker 7: look at Durant in the same way, he's a tall

715
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Speaker 7: guy who plays like a wing position here wing.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know you're taking guys who were centers who

717
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: could shoot outside as opposed to guys who would have

718
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 2: been centers in a different era, and now they're playing

719
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Speaker 2: the three or maybe the four.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Marsha, because there's a big difference between a big

721
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Speaker 5: man and a tall man like Durant and like even

722
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Speaker 5: like Sam Perkins. Those guys are a tall man. Yes,

723
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Speaker 5: guys like you were just saying Jack Sigma, even like

724
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Speaker 5: a Rick Smiths.

725
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Speaker 6: Who could hit the open jumper. Yeah, those were big.

726
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Speaker 2: Man Travis in Green Bay, Hi, Travis, what's on your

727
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: mind today?

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Speaker 14: Good morning, Dan. I have a question for you and

729
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Speaker 14: the dan Ads to chew on this morning. If if

730
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Speaker 14: what Lebron is saying is true, if he says that

731
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Speaker 14: it's Anthony Davis's team, shouldn't the Lakers be looking at

732
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Speaker 14: John cal Perry with that history with Anthony Davis and

733
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Speaker 14: that any record.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no no, that.

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Speaker 2: That NBA ship has sailed cali Perry is a college

736
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Speaker 2: coach and now going to Arkansas.

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Speaker 3: He'll Jon is coming up.

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Speaker 2: I mean all I ask him, whence you know, did

739
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Speaker 2: he give it any thought, when's the last time he

740
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: gave thought to coaching in the NBA, because he certainly

741
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: had opportunities. I'm just curious what he thought with Dan

742
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Speaker 2: Hurley at his age thinking about coaching in the NBA. Yeah,

743
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: because John didn't have a good run. You know, it

744
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: came down to if they drafted Kobe instead of Kerrie Kittles.

745
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 2: Is it too soon to ask coach calab don't forget

746
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Speaker 2: up first. David in La, Hi, David, what's on your mind?

747
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Speaker 15: Hello?

748
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Speaker 8: Dan?

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Speaker 6: I did.

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Speaker 8: I was fortunate enough to have seen Willie Mays play

751
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Speaker 8: baseball in nineteen sixty six. My father had been offered

752
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 8: his company's box at Chase Stadium on a night when

753
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 8: the San Francisco Giants were in town facing the Mets.

754
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Speaker 8: And I've got to say I was as transfixed as

755
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 8: you or Tim Kirchin just watching Willie take that in

756
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 8: practice from the rail there. But regarding the Polo Grounds,

757
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 8: my first baseball game was in sixty three, and that

758
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 8: was the mets temporary home before they got their new

759
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 8: stadium in Queen's And that oblique structure in center field

760
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 8: described by Seaton also doubled as the clubhouse, and I

761
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 8: can still remember a starting pitcher for the Mets. I

762
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Speaker 8: think it was Tracy Stallard getting knocked out of a

763
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Speaker 8: game and having to make that long five hundred foot

764
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Speaker 8: walk of shame to the showers.

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Speaker 2: Didn't Tracy Stallard give up Roger Merris's sixty first home run?

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Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, Tracy Stallard. Would you rather be remembered

767
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Speaker 2: that you gave up something like that or not be.

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Speaker 3: Remembered at all?

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Speaker 16: Marvin, I know, Ralph Branker, you do, yeah, Seatan, I

770
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Speaker 16: don't need to read remembered for that.

771
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Speaker 3: That you gave up a legendary home run.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's cool, I guess, but it is a

773
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Speaker 4: certain place in history, like you.

774
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Speaker 2: Got to be there in the moment facing Roger Marris

775
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Speaker 2: at Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 4: See, I don't mind if it's just like, if it's

777
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Speaker 4: a landmark home run that was like, ah, look, this

778
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Speaker 4: was there, you know, sixtieth home run or whatever it is,

779
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: that's fine. But if it was like, hey, remember when

780
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: you gave up that home run to lose the World Series?

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Speaker 3: That's to me.

782
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Speaker 4: They're not all created equally, you know, Yes, Todd, I

783
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Speaker 4: think I'd.

784
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Speaker 17: Be on the wrong side of history regardless of what

785
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Speaker 17: it was.

786
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Speaker 3: You just want to be remembered.

787
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Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, even though you were a part of something terrible.

788
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Speaker 17: I totally understand what Seten said. I'd rather be just

789
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 17: a milestone homeworn than losing the whole championship because of

790
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 17: something you did. But you're part of something that's going

791
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Speaker 17: to be forever in lores or what.

792
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Speaker 2: Not, and that speaks to your role on this show.

793
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Speaker 2: I guess it might not be great, but somehow never

794
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: be remembered. You're going to be remembered memorable.

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Speaker 17: For such a horrible thing. How could you have possibly

796
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 17: said or have done that?

797
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know it's happened for over two decades.

798
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Speaker 6: Why not, So just embrace it at this point.

799
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think you're going to be remembered

800
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Speaker 2: for in life or this show?

801
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: This show?

802
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Speaker 17: I'd like to think that from a positive stepput that

803
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 17: I put myself out there, even two huge levels of embarrassment.

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Speaker 3: It's the beard staying it's not stand okay.

805
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Speaker 6: This is just I'm just having a little fun with it.

806
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: It is not a long term Who is.

807
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: The guy from Popeye? Is it brutus Y?

808
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? You look like brutus No, No, he had the

809
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: beard I know you're doing. You don't have to put

810
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: up with me too much longer. Todd only three and

811
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Speaker 2: a half.

812
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Speaker 6: We can hang in there.

813
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: We can do that, can we?

814
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: I think we can? You can?

815
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Can I do it? Jamal Crawford to Turner's Sports, will

816
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: join us. Is JJ Reddick the right guy for the Lakers?

817
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: And John Caliperi will join us his thoughts on Dan

818
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Speaker 2: Hurley