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Speaker 1: My welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, you welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert

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Speaker 1: Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and welcome to Boxing Day.

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Speaker 1: It is traditionally Boxing day. Uh if if you've ever

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Speaker 1: But you could also be inclined to make the mistake

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Speaker 1: that it is boxing day. He um. He knows that

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Speaker 1: off with some Christmas holiday related listener mail before we

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Speaker 1: get into more general listener mail. Okay, let's get ready

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Speaker 1: to rumble. Here's the first message. This comes from Corbin.

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Speaker 1: It's about our episode is Santa of God? Corbin said,

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Speaker 1: is Hey, Robin Joe. Your discussion about minimally counterintuitive narratives

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Speaker 1: brought to mind one of my all time favorite sci

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Speaker 1: fi series, Dune. I haven't listened to all your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: My sincerest apologies, but somehow, I feel like you're familiar

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Speaker 1: with the books. How little you know Corbett? Yes? Um.

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Speaker 1: I found it interesting that Frank Herbert, when depicting Leto

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Speaker 1: the Second as a god emperor, began his transformation remaining

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Speaker 1: primarily humanoid and gradually over time became more worm. So

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Speaker 1: this is the transformation of a person into a giant sandworm. Right.

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Speaker 1: If you only know Doune from the films, you haven't

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Speaker 1: anyone has visually dared go huh uh. Corbin continues, however,

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Speaker 1: a distributed, collective nervous system. It's an interesting thought that

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Speaker 1: Frank Herbert this as an illustration not only to the readers,

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Speaker 1: more easy to anthropomorphize. Leto's goal was, after all, who

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Speaker 1: rapidly spread his religion across an entire universe, albeit through

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Speaker 1: more nefarious means. I feel it's also easier to say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we worship a giant worm, but he used to be

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Speaker 1: we worship a giant worm with a gullet filled with

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Speaker 1: rows upon rows of teeth. We won't get into the

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Speaker 1: Fremen and how their worship of Shihlu differs fundamentally. Really

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Speaker 1: enjoy listening and typing. This email really felt like a

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Speaker 1: good way to create some discussion, even just with myself,

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Speaker 1: about something I thought was a very interesting concept applied

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Speaker 1: Red Pj's regards. Corbin, Well, I mean you could combine

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Speaker 1: them right and you have Santa Santa Leto arriving. But no.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, obviously I love this email because it ties

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Speaker 1: comes from Clarence. Clarence says, Hey, guys, my name is Clarence.

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Speaker 1: one of the most powerful entities in the Marvel Comics universe.

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Speaker 1: But no, I would love for SANTAA to pop up

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Speaker 1: a bit of listener mail. This one comes to us

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Speaker 1: from Martin Martin Wrightson and says, Dear Robert and Joe,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the very interesting show on Crampus. Although

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Speaker 1: I am from Austria. I've never given this tradition any

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Speaker 1: second thought. Crampus was just a natural part of the

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Speaker 1: folklore I was brought up with, same as Christmas. In

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Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny. On St. Nicholas's Eve, our parents filled

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Speaker 1: chains pretending to chase away Crampus. It was exciting for

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Speaker 1: us kids picturing my father Finn ending off some goat demon. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: as I grew older, I realized that Crampus was not

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Speaker 1: a little more crampas in every day. That doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: good either. Keep crampas and Christmas. There's your bumper sticker. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's where we saw the film for the first time.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe you saw it on the big screen,

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Speaker 1: but in many cases you saw it on VHS format,

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Speaker 1: on a on a TV that was maybe not all

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Speaker 1: that great. And and I mean that's why so many

429
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Speaker 1: people are nostalgic for the VHS era and for VHS effects,

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Speaker 1: and why you still have hardcore VHS enthusiasts who still

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Speaker 1: utilize VHS technology to watch their films. Why some releases

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Speaker 1: will put it out on VHS as well to uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, to to to meet that fan base. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm also thinking about special effects that don't stand up

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Speaker 1: super well to high definition, but they look great on

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Speaker 1: you know, the crappy old version of the movie. Alright,

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Speaker 1: on that note, we're gonna take a quick break, but

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Thank thank you, thank you. All Right,

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Speaker 1: we're back. So this next one comes to us from

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Speaker 1: Landon responding to our Cars, Bodies and Minds episode an

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Speaker 1: Automotive episode that we put out in October, which we

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Speaker 1: did try and tie in a little bit to Halloween.

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Speaker 1: But but it was a really fun episode to do

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Speaker 1: because we're talking about what is it what changes about

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Speaker 1: the human experience when we're inside of a car, What

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Speaker 1: is the psychological effect of driving? Um et cetera. So

447
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Speaker 1: landon Riotson and says hello, I really enjoyed this episode

448
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Speaker 1: as I have had a similar theory about riding lawnmowers.

449
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Speaker 1: I worked at a landscaping and lawn maintenance company for

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Speaker 1: many years. We use both walk behind lawnmowers as well

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Speaker 1: as the ride on type. A couple of the ride

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Speaker 1: on mowers are rather large. I started to notice that

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Speaker 1: my fellow employees would drive them off of curbs and

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Speaker 1: over trash, even run over rocks. They would not do

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Speaker 1: this if they were pushing a mower. It made me

456
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Speaker 1: think that when they are on the bigger machines, they

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Speaker 1: feel bigger or maybe more powerful or entitled, as if

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Speaker 1: it does not matter what is in the path of

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Speaker 1: this giant mower because it's so powerful. I definitely think

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Speaker 1: there is something to that. The bigger the vehicle, the

461
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Speaker 1: bigger the bravado. If you can imagine us lowly lawn

462
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Speaker 1: maintenance workers with bravado. Thanks as always, Landing. There's nothing

463
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Speaker 1: lowly about lawn maintenance. I mean that's real work, that's essential.

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Speaker 1: But I know what you mean about like like the

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Speaker 1: size of the mower and all that, Like, um, I

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Speaker 1: feel like the most attuned I've ever been to what's

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Speaker 1: in front of my mower is when I was using

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Speaker 1: a non motorized push mower. Do you ever use one

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Speaker 1: of those? Are already just um my grandfather's at some point, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I think that was the extent of it. I

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Speaker 1: used one for a few years. It is not the easiest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to say I wrote a house stuff Works

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Speaker 1: article about the push lawn mower, But maybe I'm mistaking

474
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Speaker 1: their neat gadgets, like there's something attractive about them. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a step up there to the

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Speaker 1: push motorized one, where you're more indestructible, and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: once you get on the seated one, you're just you know,

478
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Speaker 1: you're you are a tank. I felt entirely destructible every

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Speaker 1: time I used to push lawnmower, because generally all I

480
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Speaker 1: could imagine is slipping on wet, freshly cut grass and

481
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Speaker 1: going under it. Yeah, yeah, Like I was sure, like

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Speaker 1: that's how I'm gonna go. I'm gonna That's how I'm

483
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Speaker 1: gonna die out in the middle of of my parents yard.

484
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Speaker 1: I know that feel like under a lawn Moore. But

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Speaker 1: then yeah, I I only ever did the one type

486
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Speaker 1: of of seated lawnmower, and you know, that did feel

487
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Speaker 1: kind of powerful to a certain extent. You're roaring through

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Speaker 1: the lawn, the grass is disappearing underneath you and being

489
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Speaker 1: sliced away. You're leaving this nice slick path of clean

490
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Speaker 1: grass behind you. It makes me wonder how different it

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Speaker 1: is to use even like the next level up, like

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Speaker 1: you're driving a big combine harvester, you know. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: this this also makes me wonder about even larger vehicle. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we have listeners out there who drive large trucks for

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Speaker 1: a living. We've heard from some of you like like,

496
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Speaker 1: what's that, Like, what's that experience? Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: you're you have an enormous on unbeatable body. Has anyone

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Speaker 1: out there ever uh driven a tank? Uh? Now, I

499
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Speaker 1: want to know how the scales at every level. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're you're a shriner and you drive the little

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Speaker 1: uh what is it the little tricycle thing in the

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Speaker 1: parade or some of those like microcars or something. What's

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Speaker 1: that like? A go kard enthusiasts, Let me know, I

504
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Speaker 1: maybe you know. It's a different experience at every possible

505
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Speaker 1: level up until the ultimate vehicle transcendence, which is driving

506
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Speaker 1: the doofwagon of course. Alright, so we got a couple

507
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Speaker 1: of messages related to our Devour of Memories podcasts that

508
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Speaker 1: we did about a planaria and the research of James McConnell,

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Speaker 1: the idea of memories existing outside the brain, whether or

510
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Speaker 1: not there's anything to that, the recent research on that.

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Speaker 1: First of all, so in that episode we talked about

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Speaker 1: James McConnell, who was born in a town in Oklahoma,

513
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Speaker 1: and then we heard from Jill, who lives in the

514
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Speaker 1: same town where James McConnell was born. Uh, and she

515
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Speaker 1: gently corrects our pronunciation of the town name. I think

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Speaker 1: I said oak Mulji. It's apparently oak mule Gie with

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Speaker 1: a hard g she said, she cringed. But a lot

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Speaker 1: of other very nice things about the podcast. But we

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Speaker 1: also heard from Jim who says, hi, guys, since discovering

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Speaker 1: your podcast about a year ago, I've not only become

521
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: a devout listener, but I've devoured your whole back catalog,

522
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: mostly in the gym, the shower, and sometimes pretending to work.

523
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: I typically try and then give up on several new

524
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: podcasts per month, and I've found no other podcasts like

525
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Stuff to Blow Your Mind and Invention that combined scientific

526
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: and philosophical inquiry with history and pop culture with an

527
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Speaker 1: entertaining and comedic vibe. I especially love the science fiction

528
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Speaker 1: tie ins. Based on his references, I suspect Robert and

529
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Speaker 1: I were probably watching reruns of The Twilight Zone late

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Speaker 1: night on uh FF and later cable with a bowl

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Speaker 1: of Sereal simultaneously in different cities throughout the seventies and

532
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: early eighties. Oh yeah, that would that would be. He

533
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: was maybe a little bit ahead of me, but but

534
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Speaker 1: very much on the same path. Anyway, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: write here with some additional information regarding your recent Devour

536
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Speaker 1: of Memories episode. As you discussed James McConnell and the

537
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Speaker 1: unfortunate attack on him by the UNI bomber ted Kazinski,

538
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Speaker 1: I was literally on the edge of my seat expecting

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Speaker 1: you to mention another of the UNI bombers serendipitous brushes

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Speaker 1: with history, one that may have originally led him down

541
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Speaker 1: his path of violent rebellion against academia, psychology, and technology,

542
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Speaker 1: as has been documented, and then he links to an

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Speaker 1: article in the Atlantic. While a student at Harvard, Ted

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Speaker 1: Kazinski was himself a victim of a series of brutal, cruel,

545
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Speaker 1: and unethical psychological experiments conducted by Henry A. Murray on

546
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Speaker 1: a group of twenty two undergraduates without their consent or knowledge.

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00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: Murray's experiments used, in his own words, quote, vehemence, sweeping,

548
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Speaker 1: and personally abusive attacks to study how people react under stress.

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Speaker 1: In one particularly vile experiment, Murray asked students to write

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Speaker 1: about their biggest fear or secret, assuring the students that

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Speaker 1: their essays would be confidential, only to read them out

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Speaker 1: in front of the entire class. Kazinski was one of

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Speaker 1: the students thus humiliated. Well, no one can defend Kazinski's

554
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Speaker 1: use of violence. It seems plausible that this experience at Harvard,

555
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Speaker 1: in addition to the issues you highlighted in your podcast,

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Speaker 1: contributed to his selection of a prominent behaviorist like James McConnell.

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Speaker 1: Is a victim Anyway, that's it for now. Love the

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Speaker 1: show and keep dropping those Twilight Zone references. Oh excellent. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll we'll be back with more Twilight Zone related

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Speaker 1: episodes when October comes around totally. Maybe we'll do only

561
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Speaker 1: political Twilight Zone episodes. Oh no, what oh no over October. Wow,

562
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be a rough time. But anyway, back

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Speaker 1: to Jim's main point here, Yeah, I I uh, I

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Speaker 1: was not familiar with it, with that aspect of Kazenski's

565
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Kazinski's background. Um, but but that's that's worth thinking about. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and again just to echo what Jim saying here. Obviously,

567
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know, doesn't excuse resorting to murder

568
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Speaker 1: or everything like that, but yeah, it doesn't make you

569
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Speaker 1: wonder about, you know, what kinds of stuff contributed to

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Speaker 1: his mind state. Yeah, all right. We heard from some

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Speaker 1: folks on our episode Psychology of Architecture, and this one

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Speaker 1: comes to us from Jonas. Greetings, I really enjoyed your

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Speaker 1: episode on architecture. I work in the trades and come

574
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Speaker 1: in contact with a lot of different buildings and architecture styles.

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Speaker 1: One thing I have noticed is the underlying feeling towards

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Speaker 1: placement of various parts of buildings. For example, doors and

577
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Speaker 1: windows are never placed close together nor close to the

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Speaker 1: corner of a room or building, and doing so somehow

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Speaker 1: feels looks wrong. This goes for many other things, light

580
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: fixtures off center, and a ceiling a desk play strangely

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Speaker 1: in an office, a certain amount of wall between the

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Speaker 1: door and ceiling, etcetera. It is as though humans have

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Speaker 1: a very strong subconscious preference for certain symmetries and ratios

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Speaker 1: in their environment. This site coology seems to play out

585
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Speaker 1: at both the micro and macro level, and things that

586
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: do not abide this can result in cursed architecture. Many

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00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: thanks for the excellent podcast, Jonas. Ps. After listening to

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Speaker 1: the squirrel episodes, I have decided to include them in

589
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Speaker 1: my next D and D campaign. Oh nice, Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I certainly love that. I mean so many directions you

591
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Speaker 1: could go with that. You could basically take cranial rats

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Speaker 1: and do cranial squirrels instead. What are cranial rats? Cranial

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Speaker 1: rats are rats used by the elithid mind flairs, and

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Speaker 1: so like one of these rats has the intellect and

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Speaker 1: psychic ability of a normal rat, which of course is

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Speaker 1: you know, rat like intelligence and no psychic ability, but

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Speaker 1: too they have the combined intellect of the rats, and

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Speaker 1: so you get a big pile of them, a big

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Speaker 1: horde of them, and they have, you know, considerable intellect

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Speaker 1: and considerable psionic power. So they they're pretty fun, pretty

601
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Speaker 1: fun monster. How many cranial rats equal a demagargon in intelligence? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I would I would have to do the math on that,

603
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Speaker 1: but it would take a lot. All right. This next saidge,

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Speaker 1: also about a psychology of architecture, comes from Bruce Breese says, Hello, mates,

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Speaker 1: I'm a massive fan first of all, listening to the

606
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Speaker 1: episode on psychology of architecture. Just a thought of a

607
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Speaker 1: personal example. My wife and I first lived in a

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Speaker 1: black and white ultra modern home, a home where a

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Speaker 1: speck of dirt on the ground was almost blinder. We

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Speaker 1: found ourselves vacuuming and mopping daily. For our second home,

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00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: we moved into an older house, mostly timber. I immediately

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Speaker 1: noticed we stopped cleaning as often, mostly because the house

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Speaker 1: simply didn't look as dirty. This gave us more time

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Speaker 1: to relax and spend with the family. Bruce, Wow, Uh, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like they you know, they say don't

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Speaker 1: get a black couch, right, because you'll see all of

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Speaker 1: the stuff collecting on it. Yeah yeah, likewise a white couch,

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Speaker 1: I guess right. Oh yeah, maybe I think you want

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Speaker 1: you want like a textured gray or something and makes

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Speaker 1: it nice for all the dirt to just hide in

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Speaker 1: there and you don't need to worry about it. Or

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Speaker 1: my own experience from a house I lived in growing up.

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Speaker 1: Don't have wall to wall white carpeting in a bathroom?

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Speaker 1: Oh did we talk about carpeted bathroom? I think this

625
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Speaker 1: probably has come up anytime bad carpeting choices come up.

626
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Speaker 1: I have to share this because it was wall to

627
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Speaker 1: wall and like wall to toilet white carpet in a bathroom.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was awful. It was also a rental alright.

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Speaker 1: So we mentioned Twilight Zone earlier than had to do

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Speaker 1: with our anthology of horror episodes. We've done three of

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Speaker 1: them now, one the previous year and then two uh

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Speaker 1: parts of two and three in so this one here's

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Speaker 1: one in particular though this comes to us from Kelsey.

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Speaker 1: Kelsey writes, I'm late to this party, but I just

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Speaker 1: now listen to the horror anthology episodes of stuff to

636
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Speaker 1: boil your mind. I foolishly had skipped them, Uh, skipped

637
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: over them earlier in the month, in favor of topics

638
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: more familiar to me. Very foolish. And I had a

639
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: thought about your questions of the elf years on the

640
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: large headed evolved human. Oh yeah, we were asking what

641
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: could what could actually drive the evolution of elf shaped ears? Right,

642
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: because in this it's the sixth finger is the title

643
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: of the Outer Limits episode in question, And the individual

644
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: has had his evolution advanced by some sci fi machinery,

645
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: so he develops a sixth finger on each hand. Uh,

646
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, I guess for improved typing, gets an enormous

647
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: swollen brain, which is supposed to be there because he

648
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: has enhanced brain power and like psychic abilities. But then

649
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: he also has eleven ears, which we kind of dismissed

650
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: as being, you know, purely aesthetic, essentially to create an

651
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: Elvin maybe vulcan look right anyway. Kelsey has thoughts on

652
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: this quote. Typically in animals, large ears are used for

653
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: cooling the body and hot environments. Environment doesn't seem to

654
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: be a factor here unless this evolved human also pressage

655
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: global warming in its predetermined path of refinement. But Perhaps

656
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: the issue is the oversized brain. Pumping so much blood

657
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: upwards would be quite taxing and thus cause an elevated

658
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: heart rate, which in urn would elevate body temperature, no

659
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: good for optimal brain function. Also, the enlarged cranium would

660
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: suffer from the issues associated with mass and surface area

661
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: not increasing at the same rate, causing heat to be

662
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: more and more difficult to disperse from the body. Thus,

663
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: the elephant ears provide the extra surface area needed for

664
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: optimal cooling in the human of the future. Yes, I'm

665
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: aware that all of this is nonsense, but it was

666
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: amusing to pseudoscience my way through that. On a more

667
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: general note, just wanted to say that I'm a new

668
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: listener to Stuff to Blow your mind by way of invention,

669
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: and I really enjoy both podcasts. I can't tell you

670
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: how much I appreciate the thoughtful and sensitive way you

671
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: approach all of your subjects. Kind regards Kelsey, uh No,

672
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I love that this. I mean this, uh. This exercise

673
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: is the same exercise we employ a lot of times

674
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: when thinking about uh. Generally, you know of fantastic and

675
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: mythical and science fiction creatures from cinema and books, and

676
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: so forth so, um so, yeah, I love that interpretation.

677
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: Um and it does also make me want to do

678
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: We've never really done an episode on ears before. That

679
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: could be quite interesting, just talk about like how hearing works,

680
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: how you know, biological hearing, you know works itself. But

681
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: then also get into the various forms of ear and

682
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: even the human ear. Why does it look like that?

683
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: Why why do we have this strange shape? What's the

684
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: lobe for? What does that accomplish? And then why does

685
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: ear why why do we have ear hair? Like? All

686
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: of these are questions, many of them have answers. It

687
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: would be exactly the kind of thing that would make

688
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: sense to discuss here on the show. We have ear

689
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: hair because it's awesome, and it all depends to what

690
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: which which ear hair A you're talking about the inner

691
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: ear hair or the hair growing on like the lobes

692
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: itself like pokes out of the ears. Yeah. Yeah, it's

693
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: got to be sexual signaling to attract mates. Right, That's

694
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: that's one theory. All Right, we need to take a

695
00:36:52,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll be right back with more. All right,

696
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: we're back and uh and and Joe, is it is

697
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: it just because we're just we're recording this the week

698
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: before Christmas. But do I hear holiday music? Oh? You do?

699
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: We got so much email about our Christmas music episode.

700
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: People just want to talk about it. I guess the

701
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: bells are ringing, the children are singing, and people are

702
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: sending email. So this first one comes to us from Cecile.

703
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Cecil says good day, Robert and Joe. This is Cecil

704
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: from Manila, the Philippines. Here in our country, the Christmas

705
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: songs start playing and Christmas decorations start appearing as soon

706
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: as the first dash b e er month arrives, which

707
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: is September. No one knows when and how this tradition started,

708
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: though Searching online brought up this article with some good insight,

709
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: and she links to an NPR article called Love the Holidays.

710
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: The Philippines celebrates four months of Christmas. Uh. We have

711
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: our own Christmas earworm in the song Christmas in Our

712
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: Hearts by local artist jose Marie Chan. Imagine hearing a

713
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: song played incessantly, if not in your own house, from

714
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: a neighbor's house, in malls, restaurants, and even public transportation

715
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: for around four months, as well as being a karaoke

716
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: UH staple at Christmas parties. Here's the singer serenading mall

717
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: goers last year, and then another link here. Luckily, I

718
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: was able to convince my father to put up Christmas

719
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: lights and play Christmas songs in our house only at

720
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: the start of December. Wishing you a I apologize. I'm

721
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: gonna try to say this Mala guyang pasco at Manigong

722
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: Bagong Tawun or town, Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. Cecile. Well,

723
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: that is interesting. It does make me wonder does that

724
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: mean there's no Halloween in the Philippines. I don't know.

725
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I need a I mean, Hallow Halloween is obviously not worldwide. Yeah,

726
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: it's true, and I know it's you know, obviously it's

727
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: celebrated to different extents in different parts of the world.

728
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: And I seem to recall that um in Japanese culture,

729
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: Halloween has been embraced to some extent, but I've never

730
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: thought about to what extend it's uh practiced in the Philippines.

731
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: I need it. I I have friends of Philippine descent.

732
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: I need to ask them. Still, I would on the surface,

733
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: I would agree that four months of Christmas does sound

734
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: like a little much like I say, I'm trying to.

735
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to lean into the holidays this year, but

736
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: that's I don't know if I can lean in that far.

737
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: You know, every culture has their own It's like, you know,

738
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: some cultures are into into my Fiji and other people

739
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: other cultures are not. You just gotta get used to it. Yeah, yeah,

740
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: uh well I'm either way. I'm excited to hear more about,

741
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, the varieties of of holiday experience around the world.

742
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: All right, here's another Christmas music bit of listener mail

743
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: Listen comes to us from Sarah, Dear, Robert, and Joe.

744
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: First of all, this is one of my favorite podcasts,

745
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: so thanks for making it. I just finished listening to

746
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: your latest episode, and I thought there was an important

747
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: perspective which was missing in the discussion. As a practicing Jew,

748
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: being inundated with Christmas music serves to make me really

749
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: feel my other us at this time of year, I

750
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: and many of my friends find going to such places

751
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: to be both unpleasant and depressing, and a few stores

752
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: which throw in a token Hanukah song or two earn

753
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: both my undying loyalty and my dollars. Not everyone celebrates Christmas,

754
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: and I have often wondered at the blinders of marketers

755
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: who think that all shoppers can be wooed this way,

756
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: especially places like grocery stores, which are patronized by folks

757
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: who are looking for normal fare rather than presents. Thanks

758
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: again for your great show regards, Sarah. Yeah, I think

759
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: this is this is an excellent point to make, um

760
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: one that at least I did try to touch on

761
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: this a little bit. Uh. I thought it came up

762
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: a little bit because we talked about the idea of

763
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: like again not comparing like annoying Christmas music to actual

764
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: torture in a significant way, but like, one of the

765
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: things we talked about was like when detainees are blasted

766
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: with music to kind of like break them for interrogation,

767
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: it often intentionally is like culturally unfamiliar music. And so

768
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: what could be geographically culturally unfamiliar could also just be

769
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: like in terms of subculture or religious culture unfamiliar, you know,

770
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: the the music of the other culture. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

771
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: But I also I will admit that in discussing that

772
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: particular episode especially, I did get an autobiographical a lot,

773
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: and I guess I was considering sort of my own

774
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: stare down with Christmas to a certain extent, which you know,

775
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: for me, it's like Christmas is kind of like this, Um,

776
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: it's like this. Uh it's what is the big tractor

777
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: trailer rig from maximum Overdrive with the with the green

778
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: goblin on the front. I don't know if I had

779
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: a name, but it was it was a goblin like

780
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: that's Christmas, just Christmas hat on it and it's coming

781
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: at you and then you have to react and figure

782
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: out how you're going to take it. Uh So yeah,

783
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: I was probably I probably did lean a bit into

784
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: just thinking about my own relationship with the holiday, with

785
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: the various you know, biases they are going to be

786
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: present to that, but it is it is essential to

787
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: to realize, Yeah, not everybody has the same uh you know,

788
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: cultural experience of the holidays, certainly of Christmas and uh

789
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, when you think of of the marketing techniques

790
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: used by something like something like a grocery store, it

791
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: does get get kind of weird, right. I Mean it's

792
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: like people where they're just they want to buy bread,

793
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: they want to buy rice, they want to buy vegetables,

794
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: and they have to listen to jingle bells the whole time.

795
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: I will say, ever, since we did this episode, I

796
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: have actually noticed even more than usual when when in

797
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: which stores are playing Christmas music. And yeah, I'm kind

798
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: of surprised that it happens in grocery stores and stuff.

799
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: I would expect it to be more common in stores

800
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: where you might reasonably be expected to be buying something

801
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: like Christmas gifts. It's strange to go into Kroger or

802
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: Publix or whatever and hear the Christmas music playing. But yeah,

803
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: I guess that's where we're at. But anyway, Yeah, very

804
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: important perspective, Sarah, and thank you so much for sharing.

805
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: All right, This message comes from Michelle. Michelle says, do

806
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: Robert and Joe. I really enjoyed the recent episode on

807
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: of hate relationship with Christmas music. I am an amateur

808
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: classical bassist, and I've been playing in school or community

809
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: orchestras for over thirty years. This means, subjectively, I believe

810
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: I've played at least parts of The Nutcracker approximately eighteen

811
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: million times. I'm sure the actual number is only in

812
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: the hundreds, but it feels like much much more, and

813
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: the hundreds is a lot. I find that my tolerance

814
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: for this music depends largely on the context. I enjoy

815
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: playing it. I love sitting in in a ballet with

816
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: a live orchestra hearing it, but listening to it on

817
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: commercials around the radio makes me in vision swatting the

818
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: sugar plum ferry with a rolled up newspaper. To me,

819
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: the greatest Christmas music offense on commercials is not playing

820
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: the whole song, or at least whole versus so that

821
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I can mentally finish it and get it out of

822
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: my head. There's currently a car commercial that plays the

823
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: same two measures of a song over and over without

824
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: finishing the phrase. He causes physical discomfort and anxiety, and

825
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: I have to turn the channel or mute the TV.

826
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: I also wanted to thank you fortifying my squirrel phobia.

827
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: There used to be a squirrel near you. No, we're

828
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: not trying to justify phobia. I hope we can do. Okay.

829
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: We we seek to justify a healthy respect and and

830
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: maybe to a certain extent, fear of close contact with

831
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the squirrel. Fear that is more like awe, yeah, yeah,

832
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: the consideration of the squirrel as indeed a wild creature,

833
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: the way you would react to a sandworm from dune. Uh.

834
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: Michelle goes on there used to be a squirrel near

835
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: my house that would come up to the window and

836
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: torment my indoor cat, or would chase me when I

837
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: walked to my car, and would dive bomb neighbors from trees. Wow,

838
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad I wasn't the only one seeing their true

839
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: evil nature. Now again, they're not evil, They're just animals.

840
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: But they don't you know, don't underestimate them. That squirrel sound,

841
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: that sounds excessive though, even what we're looking at, like,

842
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: perhaps that's a squirrel that somebody was feeding, and you

843
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: know that, because this is one of the dangers of

844
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: feeding any wild animal is that it changes it's it's

845
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: like natural inborn association of human beings and human habitats

846
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: and so forth. It begins to associate them with food,

847
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Speaker 1: and then it might be inclined to to violate the

848
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Speaker 1: sort of predetermined safe space between you and itself. Uh So,

849
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Speaker 1: I my, you know, just shooting from the hip here,

850
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Speaker 1: But I wonder if that was a squirrel that had

851
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Speaker 1: been essentially mistreated through feeding. That's a good point. Uh yeah,

852
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Speaker 1: So just a good reminder for everyone out there, do

853
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Speaker 1: not feed wild animals like that. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you might not be able to stop them from getting

855
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Speaker 1: into your meal worms or whatever. Right, Yeah, I mean

856
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Speaker 1: well feeding, it's one thing of the squirrel is eating

857
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Speaker 1: from your bird feeder. If the squirrel is eating from

858
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Speaker 1: your hand, then things have gone too far. Michelle goes

859
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Speaker 1: on going back even further. I wanted to let you

860
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: know how perfectly the timing of your January episode on

861
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: creating the World's Most Unpleasant Room fit into my life.

862
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: It was exactly the episode I needed at a very

863
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: stressful time. I was listening to that episode along with

864
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Speaker 1: several others. It was a long few days while trying

865
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Speaker 1: to make my house as completely perfect as possible for

866
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Speaker 1: my first social worker visit for my adoption home study.

867
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: I know from experience that that can be very stressful. Yeah. Yeah,

868
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: it made me realize how ridiculous I was being in

869
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 1: my cleaning frenzy. Your show has been a saving grace

870
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: when I get too much in my own head with

871
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: all the ups and downs that go along with the

872
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: adoption process as I wait for a match. Thank you

873
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: so much. Keep the great episodes coming, Michelle. Yeah, well,

874
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: thanks for writing in and best of luck with your

875
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Speaker 1: adoption journey. Absolutely. Oh wait, no, I forgot. Michelle also

876
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Speaker 1: has a ps oh, let's have it. I have had

877
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: simply having a wonderful Christmas time stuck in my head

878
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: all evening just that one line. Don't actually know the

879
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: rest of the song. I'm off to listen to any

880
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: other song to try to get that particular worm out

881
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: of my ear. Well, best of luck with that too,

882
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: I hope it worked out. Yeah, that's your favorite, right,

883
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: That is the worst of all time. In addition to

884
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Speaker 1: the cultural chauvinism of Christmas music, sometimes there is some

885
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: geograph cold Christmas chauvinism as well. UH. That was mentioned

886
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: by several listeners, Like we had several uh people from

887
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: like Australia and New Zealand get in touch with us

888
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: about Christmas music. About the fact that lots of Christmas

889
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: music mentioned snow. It's all about winter time and stuff.

890
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: But if you're in Australia, Christmas is in the middle

891
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of the summer because the seasons are inverted the southern hemisphere.

892
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: That's right. We heard from an about this, She writes, High,

893
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 1: Robert and Joe recently listened to your episode about Christmas music.

894
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: You asked for emails from people from other countries and

895
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: people who are subjected to Christmas music. I fit into

896
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: both of these categories. I live in Australia and I

897
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: work in a supermarket. The thing about in Australian Christmas

898
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: is it is very hot right now. We're in the

899
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Speaker 1: middle of a terrible drought and there are catastrophic fire conditions.

900
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Brush fires have devastated different parts of the country over

901
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: the past few weeks. The annoying thing is retail stores

902
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: will still play songs like Winter Wonderland or let It Snow.

903
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: These seem highly inappropriate, but it is just all part

904
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: of the tradition. In response to this, there there are

905
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: some Awese Christmas songs. Most of them are really annoying

906
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: Awese versions of Christmas carols, but there are a few exceptions.

907
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: One of my favorite is how to Make Gravy by

908
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: Paul Kelly. Okay, this is a song written as a

909
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: man who is in jail at Christmas time. He is

910
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: the one who usually makes the gravy. He is calling

911
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: his brother to get advice on how to make it.

912
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: What he is really calling about is to say how

913
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: much he will miss his family and that he is sorry. Well,

914
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: that makes me think of one of my favorite Christmas

915
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: songs actually Christmas in Prison by John Priyan. It's beautiful. Oh,

916
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: I remember phil Oaks had one called they Don't Have

917
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: Christmas in Kentucky. It was about, you know, impoverished conditions

918
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: and whatnot. Um. You know a good like a good

919
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: sad Christmas song? That's a long way, doesn't it? Um? Anyway?

920
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: Anna continues. Another Christmas song I like is by an

921
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: artist called Darren Handlin. He has a song called The Loaf.

922
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: This is about a family preparing for a Christmas. The

923
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: eldest boy has just been dumped. He spends time crying

924
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: and his family makes fun of him, saying tears will

925
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: never bring her back. It's cold. Yeah. A loaf of

926
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: bread has been put in the oven. During the night,

927
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: the boy creeps in and throws all his love letters

928
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: into the oven so they will all burn up in

929
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: the morning. The loaf is huge, but when they pierce

930
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: it with a knife, all his words explode out and

931
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: the family is killed by exploding bread. What now? That

932
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: is a song that you will never hear in any

933
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: retail setting. It is really about the power of words.

934
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Speaker 1: Thanks and Mary Xmas. Anna. I've never heard the Loaf,

935
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: but I got to look that up right now? That

936
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: is so good? Yeah? How long before that becomes a standard?

937
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Hopefully soon? In googling it, all I'm getting is meat

938
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Loaf singing Christmas Thilms songs. Oh, not quite the same thing, So,

939
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,959
Speaker 1: I though it depends. Um, did Jim work on those

940
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: those songs? Stan, No, they're not. I mean they're Christmas songs?

941
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: You mean, like where they Jim Steinman original that I into?

942
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: You had that kind of like, uh, you know, the

943
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: sort of gothic uh, sleazy biker vampire feel that a

944
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: proper a song from that collaboration should have. Sorry, I'm

945
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: trying to think of a good Jim Steinman type song title.

946
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 1: It would be something like baby, it's not Christmas yet parentheses,

947
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: but it's the New Year. Yeah, it makes you think, Yeah,

948
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I like it. I would be I would be into that.

949
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: All right. When we're gonna go ahead and close up

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Speaker 1: the bag there, we're gonna send Carney back on his

951
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: his his his boxing way and we will uh yeah,

952
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Speaker 1: we'll close out the episode here. In the meantime, if

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