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Speaker 1: Problem solved, But Don Tyler Murray that defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slammed the ground by foota baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvic. Well, you can call it

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Speaker 1: what you want. I mean, dust up, a skirmish, a kerrfuffle.

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Speaker 1: We went to London in twenty seventeen. It was a kerfuffle,

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Speaker 1: that's what it was known as. It was. I mean

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Speaker 1: you can describe it as being edgy. Chippy. You know what,

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Speaker 1: it feisty, But I mean, you gotta narrow it down,

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Speaker 1: whether you're talking about a Cardinal's full pad practice or

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Speaker 1: if you're just talking about another episode of Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: and in particular Darren Urban against Danny Serek. That's what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Honestly, I'm prepared like no one. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 1: PAULI pickskin over here. I'm ready to go in this

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground full pads or not, just because the Bickersons

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Speaker 1: and that sort of factor between the two of you,

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Speaker 1: which we've also seen on the Cardinals practice field. I

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Speaker 1: know that you've got the hide on me, but I

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Speaker 1: think I've I think I've gotten more feist than me. See,

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Speaker 1: the first thing I thought it was like Paul wasn't

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Speaker 1: even around the first week at camp. Of course he's

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Speaker 1: got all this energy, he hasn't even done anything. Here

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Speaker 1: we go, some snark about how I got a series

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Speaker 1: of vet days or maybe I was on the NFI

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Speaker 1: last Okay, here we go. It took about thirty seven

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Speaker 1: seconds for Darren. It would have been sooner, but Danny

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Speaker 1: wanted to get her shot in on me. Of course,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Okay, all right, So here I am. You're right,

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Speaker 1: I got plenty of energy to go. Maybe once, for

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Speaker 1: the only time ever, I'll match Danny in terms of energy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see we need wraps though, and we don't want

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Speaker 1: to waste our time with any kind of it Stoly

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Speaker 1: in Cardinal's underground. You're right, So enough of just the

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Speaker 1: pleasant trees or otherwise. Uh, Danny, where would you like

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Speaker 1: to start? Well, let's continue with what Tell him what

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Speaker 1: you're talking about all these these terms, the kerfuffle, the dustup,

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Speaker 1: tell one why why we're starting the podcast? Why were there?

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Speaker 1: How many were there? If we were scoring at home? Three? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I heard someone just I heard I Wolf said to

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Speaker 1: you say three. I heard someone shout out five. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see five. I'd say the Vegas the bet mgm

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Speaker 1: over under would be three eyes. I would say the

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Speaker 1: hop tossing the ball, Isaiah Simmons one early, I say,

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Speaker 1: will Hernandez and JJ Watt in the middle of practice,

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Speaker 1: and then the the ender, which was Greg Dortch And

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Speaker 1: nobody seems to know who the dB was that started it,

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Speaker 1: but apparently Isaiah and d Hopper in the middle of

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Speaker 1: see that makes four because it was it was a rematch.

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Speaker 1: It was I say, because that's just one thing. It

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Speaker 1: was Isaiah d hop the rematch that was two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: first day of pad's definitely a lot of passion and energy.

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Speaker 1: There you go, there's two words I didn't use earlier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you could. Yeah. I think players were just there's

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Speaker 1: of dust ups could be good. In a sense, everyone

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Speaker 1: that right now it's pretty much just a waste of time,

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Speaker 1: of the play. What understandingly takes Umbridge with it and

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Speaker 1: the rest of them though. I mean, somebody called him

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Speaker 1: and that goes on the field. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: athletics things, I could understand why that would get under

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Speaker 1: somebody's skin. And maybe that's what happen with Hopkins. In

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Speaker 1: hockey terms, Once upon a time, Darren Urban was a

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Speaker 1: beat writer for the Coyotes. Moving serious hat Did you

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Speaker 1: really used to do that? I didn't I know that

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Speaker 1: about you? That's cool. You got some cool points in

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Speaker 1: my book. Now you would call that, So don't get excited. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm like just in shrapnel everywhere in hockey. That guy

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Speaker 1: is an instigator, that's who is, right. So Isaiah Simmons

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't because he was barking, and he was barking some more,

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Speaker 1: the one guy who can pretty much ignite any and

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Speaker 1: we say, pollinate things the bumblebee that just bounces around

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Speaker 1: it's a mega match out on that field, like WWE

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Speaker 1: is invaded State Farm Stadium. You know, it didn't really

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Speaker 1: so many of these not fights. But I don't know, kurfluffles,

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while it works out well. But um,

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Speaker 1: is something that might get me punched, like literally might

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Speaker 1: start a fight here on Cardinal's Underground. Brought to you

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Speaker 1: by a Pacific Office automation Danny. I now have Danny's attention.

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Speaker 1: Ny wants to swing act. See I was making a

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Speaker 1: segue here, Darren immediately checked his phone. Danny was going

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Speaker 1: to keep track of what we're talking about, so I

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Speaker 1: can talk. Can I write out a description for the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like sitting here with my fifteen year old and thirteen

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Speaker 1: year old the moment I'm not saying something gripping quickly?

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Speaker 1: Danren's the one with the short attention. Danny's gonna tweet

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Speaker 1: about it if you start talking about being the old

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Speaker 1: person working on your phone. So I have a nickname

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Speaker 1: for Isaiah Simmons and the collective groan I paused for

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Speaker 1: the collective grown you know beans not I Andy? Is

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Speaker 1: it that one and Paul laugh. I'm impressed with myself

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Speaker 1: and Andy Isabella. That's Gallow's humor right there. Andy is

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Speaker 1: about a little backstory at my own expense. Andy Isabella

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Speaker 1: when he was drafted, okay, just the four three speed

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't hit him all, Paul, Well, this

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Speaker 1: guys out there for this Cardinals defense, which, by the way,

426
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Speaker 1: I guess has been if they're looking for motivation and

427
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Speaker 1: something for the Bolton board. Do you see where football

428
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: outsiders in the analytics crew, they say a Cardinals defense

429
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Speaker 1: that finished number six in defensive DVOA last year is

430
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Speaker 1: expected to be number twenty eight this season. From number

431
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Speaker 1: six a year ago in DVOA defensive DVOA to an

432
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Speaker 1: expected twenty eighth in the league. I mean, if that's

433
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Speaker 1: the case, if there's that sort of regression in the

434
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Speaker 1: Cardinals defense this year, look out, Come on, Danny, you

435
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 1: clearly want to say something. Here's my thing, how does

436
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Speaker 1: anybody know anything? Right? Obviously this defense lost Chandler Jones

437
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, two big piece on the defense, But how

438
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: does anybody know anything about how this team is going

439
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: to perform and any sort of the sense compared to

440
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Speaker 1: every other team that's changed as well? That that's my

441
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: only issue with all of these is even talking to

442
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 1: the players now, it's it's hard for them to even

443
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Speaker 1: grasp of what this team is truly capable of because

444
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: it's so early, so I don't know. I take all

445
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Speaker 1: of those with such a grain as salt of well.

446
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Speaker 1: I mean to me, ultimately, everything we do right now

447
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: is yeah. I mean, even the stuff we're speculating upon,

448
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: you don't know. Nobody can really know. I think the

449
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: dvoah that's that in part gets measured on who you're

450
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Speaker 1: playing too. And the Cardinals Uh schedule right now looks

451
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Speaker 1: a crap ton more difficult than it was last year.

452
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Speaker 1: And if you've lost Chandler Jones and you're you're not

453
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Speaker 1: sure who your cornerbacks are going to be, uh, if

454
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Speaker 1: especially if there's any you're eas and you're wondering about

455
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: your pass rush, I'm not completely stunned that it would

456
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Speaker 1: be that would be a prediction. And you know what

457
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Speaker 1: I called it up, You're absolutely right. A lot of

458
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Speaker 1: it is predicated on the Cardinals number one or number

459
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Speaker 1: two toughest strength the schedule. I mean, look at the

460
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: offenses they're gonna have to play, yep in the Quarterbacks

461
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs and the Raiders and the Chargers and

462
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: the Broncos and the Rams twice. Yeah, not Seattle, but

463
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: you know other teams. Yeah, I mean it's it's sort

464
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: of like in this whole Deshaun Watson thing, they flashed

465
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Speaker 1: up the six games that Deshaun Watson is gonna miss.

466
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Speaker 1: Their first four games are all against last place caliber teams.

467
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Speaker 1: Shall I call them the Browns. They're going against the Falcons,

468
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: the Panthers, the Jets, and I think that Seahawks, and so,

469
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean they're losing to Shaun. Watch them the first

470
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Speaker 1: six games and those and four of the first six

471
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Speaker 1: are against last place teams. For the Cardinals, you look

472
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Speaker 1: at their schedule, it's exactly the opposite when you're coming

473
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Speaker 1: out of the gates with Patrick Mahomes in a playoff

474
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Speaker 1: Raiders team. By the way, do you guys see the

475
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: video they're covering Raiders camp on NFL Network. They were

476
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Speaker 1: outside in Vegas. They were outside practicing in that Vegas heat,

477
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: not all that far from here and not all that

478
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Speaker 1: different a climate, and the Raiders are practicing outside. I

479
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: don't know if that's good or bad. Honestly, I remember

480
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Speaker 1: because I remember Mike Singletary ran down a forty nine

481
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Speaker 1: Ers team back in his day. He ran such a

482
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Speaker 1: hard camp that by basically Thanksgiving, they were gassed there

483
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: was a veteran who I very much remember and Steve

484
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Speaker 1: Wilkes one year and he put them we're here at

485
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Speaker 1: State Farm Stadium. That was a couple outside practices and

486
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Speaker 1: there was one a really really hard one in this

487
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Speaker 1: veteran when it was over was like, what the hell's

488
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Speaker 1: he doing to us? Was not happy. Selfishly, I'm glad

489
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Speaker 1: we're inside. And these were eight o'clock practices, which at

490
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Speaker 1: the time that was the only time you did eight

491
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Speaker 1: o'clock practices was when they're outside. But yeah, outside praxes

492
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: are no picnic in this climate. I can't imagine doing

493
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Speaker 1: that in training camp all the time. I mean, I

494
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Speaker 1: don't know if they were doing it all the time,

495
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Speaker 1: but it'd be one thing if you're opening up at

496
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Speaker 1: Sundeville Stadium, but you're not two or your first three

497
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Speaker 1: games or indoors at State Farm Stadium, and then you're

498
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Speaker 1: going to be indoors at the Raiders, So which is

499
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Speaker 1: one of the things Like like Steve Wilkes, if I remember,

500
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Speaker 1: that schedule wasn't really necessary based on oh no, he

501
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: made a point that the reason he did it had

502
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with where they were playing. He thought

503
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Speaker 1: it made him tougher he was. Steve Wilkes was very

504
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Speaker 1: much an old school type mentality and when it came

505
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Speaker 1: to a coach, by the way, and we all remember

506
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Speaker 1: how Steve Wilkes would open his training camp practices with

507
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Speaker 1: the one on one right off the top of practice,

508
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: which I don't even think that's not legal anymore, is it?

509
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. Can you start a fully

510
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Speaker 1: padded practice just or do you have to speaking of

511
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: any one? Memories, baby memories. That's my segue though into

512
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Speaker 1: the first full day of pads. Did you watch anything

513
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Speaker 1: Monoe know, whether it was a line against the line,

514
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Speaker 1: whether it was tight ends against outside linebackers, whether it

515
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Speaker 1: was the running backs with blitz pickup, any sort of

516
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Speaker 1: matchups catch your eye, either one of you, Danny, what

517
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Speaker 1: would you see out there? I saw like a my

518
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Speaker 1: j Sanders and Trey McBride. That was good. That was good.

519
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Speaker 1: Those two squared off. It was like fifty fifty, but

520
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: they both got low and they both held their own

521
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Speaker 1: And those are two guys I really wanted to see

522
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Speaker 1: at the point of attack. Could Trey McBride, he's so athletic,

523
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Speaker 1: he's so good catching the football, is he truly a

524
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Speaker 1: blocking tight end, and I thought he showed up pretty

525
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Speaker 1: well and against some not only my J Sanders, but

526
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Speaker 1: against Dennis Gardek and against the Devon Kanard, some hard hitters.

527
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Speaker 1: He fared pretty well. So at least at first glance

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Speaker 1: and first experience. And I know there were a lot

529
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Speaker 1: of coaches watching eighty five the second round rookie tight

530
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Speaker 1: ends just to see, Okay, what does he have in pads?

531
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Speaker 1: I thought he showed pretty well. Yeah, watching the offensive

532
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Speaker 1: line and defensive line, I mean, who's holding their own

533
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Speaker 1: against J. J. Watt? That was you know, obviously the

534
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Speaker 1: big one between those tackles is you know, who's holding

535
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Speaker 1: their own there? But it is it is fun to

536
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Speaker 1: get to see that, you know, having the pads on

537
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: and get to see those one on ones and it

538
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: is um you know, watching the running backs too also

539
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: on those one on ones is pretty interesting. And the

540
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: blocking especially, you're right, because when you're looking at tight ends,

541
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Speaker 1: that was a big Max Williams role. Yeah, and he's

542
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: on the pup list right now, so he's not practicing, Zoe.

543
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: Who knows when he will be ready. So seeing Trey McBride,

544
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: you're right, And he talked about that in his press

545
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Speaker 1: conference Tuesday, just talking about how much he's learned from

546
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Speaker 1: Max in that role, specifically a little different than from

547
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Speaker 1: zach Ertz. I tell you the other one. I thought

548
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: Zach Allen looked really good. He had three reps. Every

549
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Speaker 1: one of them. He made it look so easy. It

550
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: didn't matter who he went against an offensive lineman. I meant,

551
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: they didn't even break his stride. He went right through

552
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Speaker 1: a couple offensive line on and I'm like, okay. If

553
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: Zach Allen truly was hampered by that ankle in a

554
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: big way last year and he gutted it all the

555
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: way through the season, had a pretty nice season, Zach

556
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Speaker 1: Allen could be a guy in a contract year who's

557
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: just made that slow, steady progress each every season, including

558
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: getting his body right, putting on some more weight, putting

559
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: on good weight, getting the cardio down. If he's truly

560
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: fully healthy after dealing with the neck his rookie year

561
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: and some other things where he was dinged up, I

562
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: could see ninety four having a big year. I know

563
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: KVB Kyle Vannaboshaw standing next to him. He eat pointed

564
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Speaker 1: to ninety four as well, So I got my eye

565
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Speaker 1: on Zach Allen the rest of this camp, and JJ

566
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: Watt did destroy a couple of lesser offensive tackles. They

567
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Speaker 1: weren't Kelvin Beacham, DJ Humphries or even Josh Miles. There

568
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: are a couple of lower level of guys and ninety

569
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: nine made him look pretty bad, so I won't name

570
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Speaker 1: any names. The Zach Allen thing is intriguing to me.

571
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Speaker 1: I agree, I think he's I think he's the kind

572
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Speaker 1: of guy that definitely is in line for a big

573
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Speaker 1: year if he stays healthy. But he hasn't stayed healthy yet.

574
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Speaker 1: Even last year when he's playing most of the season,

575
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Speaker 1: he was still dealing with injuries that year to play

576
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Speaker 1: on and I know that, Okay, everybody gets dinged up.

577
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Speaker 1: There's always something you're going to be playing through, but

578
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: you got to be able to stay healthy enough to

579
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: have those kind of impacts and not just be a

580
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: guy out there. So it'll it'll be interesting to see,

581
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: but I have no doubt that he'll be prepared enough

582
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: to have a good year and they're counting on him.

583
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, again, you look at this defensive line. I mean,

584
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Speaker 1: other than JJ Watt, there's not a lot of sexy names,

585
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: and they didn't add a whole bunch of people. So, um,

586
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Speaker 1: you know you're talking about some younger guys, a couple

587
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: of vets they've just signed to see if they work.

588
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: And it's again, it's gonna be jj Watt and the

589
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Speaker 1: I don't know what the watt he airs, Jordan airs

590
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Speaker 1: the Watts. By the way, Dennis Gardeck, you today you

591
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: never heard of Michael Jordan and the Jordan Ares. I'm

592
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, uh, Dennis Gardeck, by the way I thought,

593
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Speaker 1: And look, he's had a good camp. Yes, I think

594
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: the explosion is back. Yes, I'd love to be able

595
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Speaker 1: to say that I have an exact memory of what

596
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: he looked like last camp, but believing what he says

597
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: that he feels much more like twenty twenty than he

598
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Speaker 1: was in twenty twenty one, and then witnessing in person,

599
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Speaker 1: would you would you agree he made a couple of

600
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Speaker 1: plays in coverage during one on One's couple of days ago,

601
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Speaker 1: where I was like, okay, I mean not that they're

602
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Speaker 1: going to ask you to be in coverage a lot,

603
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Speaker 1: but you you not only made a couple of plays,

604
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Speaker 1: you had some makeup speed on one of them, and

605
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Speaker 1: I was impressed with that. By the way, Byron Murphy

606
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: had one big pick so far this week in camp,

607
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Speaker 1: he dropped another one. He made himself do some pushups.

608
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker had a big pick in the red zone. So,

609
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Speaker 1: and you're just happy we get to talk about it

610
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: because it's not close practice exactly. You're done right. I'm

611
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: happy we get to talk about it, no doubt. And

612
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: then and then Marco Wilson got some props from from

613
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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph when he when he spoke to the media.

614
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: But maybe one of the biggest happenings in camp, believes

615
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Speaker 1: to me, is what hasn't happened. There's been no signing

616
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Speaker 1: of a veteran cornerback. Why is that? Is that Josh Jackson?

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Speaker 1: Is that because you think he showed pretty well so far? Danny?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think most people fully expect did a

619
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Speaker 1: veteran corner to be added to camp sometime in this

620
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: first week, and it's yet to happen. I think both

621
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Speaker 1: are true. It's funny at practice on Tuesday, I looked

622
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Speaker 1: at Darren and I said, I feel like Josh Jackson

623
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Speaker 1: has made at least a play every you know practice

624
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Speaker 1: that we've been out here, but I do think that

625
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: a veteran signing of a cornerback is very likely still

626
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Speaker 1: and we had kind of talked about that at practice

627
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Speaker 1: as well. Of it's kind of surprising, at least to

628
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Speaker 1: me at this point. Now. There could be other factors

629
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Speaker 1: playing in of trying to see who aren't your roster

630
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: if you have someone that can already fill that role,

631
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Speaker 1: if you're looking at the business side of things, whatever

632
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: it might be. But I think both could be true

633
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Speaker 1: of at least in my eye. Josh Jackson, the cornerback

634
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: has caught my eye a few times at practices. But

635
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Speaker 1: I would also still not be surprised at all if

636
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Speaker 1: a veteran cornerback signing did come. I think some of it,

637
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Speaker 1: you know, and Danny mentioned the business side. I think

638
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: that's part of it. You know. There's still a couple

639
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: names out there, including Robert Alford of course, who was

640
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: with this team last year. You don't know what kind

641
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: of money they're asking for, and I don't think this

642
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: team is going to go I mean, I think this

643
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: team would pay minimum for a guy to bring them

644
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: in right now, but is that guy going to do that?

645
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Knowing that at this point, he could still get cut

646
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't even make the team and do that.

647
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: So I think it's it's it's waiting on both sides.

648
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: I think, I don't think this team is going to

649
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: give any kind of guarantee, big guaranteed money to anybody

650
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: who's out in the street right now, no matter what

651
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: their name is. And you know, we'll see what happens.

652
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing. I mean, not that

653
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: you want to play against the Chiefs wanting a veteran

654
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: quarterback or not having one, But again, the rules say

655
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: that if you sign a veteran after the first game

656
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: of the season, they're They're salary is not guaranteed the

657
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: rest of the year. So the Cardinals could very well

658
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: end up adding somebody after the first game, just like

659
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: I think a few teams might do that, and maybe

660
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: it'll come sooner, who knows. I think I think they'd

661
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: like to go through a couple preseason games and see

662
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: who might be there, because I like, I think I

663
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: think Antonio Hamilton's made some plays in camp so far.

664
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: I've noticed Josh Jackson. I mean, are they playing great?

665
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: Probably not, but I think they're playing pretty good and

666
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: so we'll kind of see where it goes. I still

667
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: think there's a very good chance they signed a veteran corner,

668
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: I just don't know how quickly. Instead, the Cardinals have

669
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: signed a couple at D lineman and an offensive lineman.

670
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: They signed a D lyman, Antoine Woods. He flashed a

671
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: little bit in camp in full pats Christian Ringo. He

672
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: had a good get off. Kyle Vanaboshwa was standing there,

673
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: gave him props on that. And then they signed a

674
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: guard because Justin Merris is dealing with ankle problem and

675
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: you still don't have DJ Humphries right now. And if

676
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: you're even though the guy they signed Rashad Coward is

677
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: mostly a guard, if you're gonna have Josh Jones playing

678
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: tackle because Humphries is out and you're missing Justin Murray,

679
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 1: who plays guard, you need another guard in there for reps.

680
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: And that's the other thing we need to remember about.

681
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like the two defensive lineman Ringo and

682
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Woods won't I don't have a chance to make this team.

683
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: I do think they have a chance to make this team.

684
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: But at the same time, J. J. Watts not going

685
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: to be playing in the preseason, and I'm not sure

686
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: Zach Allen's going to play in the preseason. Yeah, so

687
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: you better have some bodies at all these positions that

688
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: can take up all these snaps. They did that last

689
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: I think it was last year. They signed Josh Morrow

690
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: and Jack Crawford and there was one other veteran guy

691
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: who used to play for the Bengals and forgetting his

692
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: name right now, and they essentially signed all of them

693
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: mostly to play in preseason games. Now, they ended up

694
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: keeping Morrow on the on the practice squad, but for

695
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: the most part, you want these guys to take up snaps.

696
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: So the guys that you do want to keep aren't

697
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: going to play any preseason games. I mean, how you

698
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: know it's still preseason for Darren too. I can't believe

699
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: he only remembered the Jack Crawford and the Josh Morrow.

700
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't believe he only remembered those two.

701
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: That's that's really I do remember the third guy was

702
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: had played like ten years and I think he was

703
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: he was he was foreign, like he was German or something.

704
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: You could have given me a thousand guests. I want

705
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: to remember those two names that they signed last year

706
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: at this time Yeah, justin mur her husband wearing a boot.

707
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: We've seen at the open practices, so that hasn't Yeah,

708
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: two to three weeks. I mean it's obviously not ideal.

709
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: Hopefully it he is good in those next couple weeks

710
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,959
Speaker 1: after that, you are forgetting another offensive lineman though, who

711
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: we haven't really seen practice. Oh that's right, laid on

712
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: us center Rodney Hudson, who made his return come back

713
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: to the team. Everyone's very excited and we haven't seen

714
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: him at a lot of practices, oh like two so

715
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: far to practical and they haven't cited an injury, right,

716
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: They're just they're saying they're being smart. Is that the response? Yeah,

717
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I mean I think ultimately it doesn't surprise me. I

718
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: mean Cliff Kingsbury didn't say this is purely my speculation,

719
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: but would I'd be surprised if when he said I

720
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: want to come back, but I don't I don't want

721
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: to have to do a lot in training camp, they said, fine,

722
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: just you know your body, you tell us when you

723
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: want to work, and we'll go from there. Unless he

724
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: let himself go in the off season like a Ron Wolfley,

725
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, he's got work his way, you know, back

726
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: into shape behind the scenes before he even takes the field.

727
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: See that's why you're so good pause, because you want

728
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: to train year round. I'm just ignore that and move

729
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: right on. It's so preposterous. I did have you know,

730
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: until you mentioned camp bodies, I was ready to come

731
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: with a hot take. Then maybe they brought in Christian

732
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Ringo and Antoine Woods as a kick to the tailpad

733
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: of a Lucky Foe Too and a Richard Lawrence, two

734
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: young guys entering the third year of their contract. That

735
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: you know what it's you can't just be a guy. Yeah,

736
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: you gotta be more of the guy and you gotta

737
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: be more productive. It's time. I'm I'm not gonna totally

738
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: dismiss that, but I would say this, And I haven't

739
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to Rashad very much, but

740
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I have talked to Lucky a couple of times. I mean,

741
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: those guys just never struck me as the guys that

742
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: are gonna take it that way and not be I

743
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: mean Lucky Foe too at first, I was joking with him.

744
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: At the end of the preseason, I saw him actually

745
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: out at a low cool food establishment at the restaurant

746
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: right before training camp yes, why do you just save restaurant?

747
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: By the way, are you gonna be a hater? By

748
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: the way, they list him at six five, three thirty four.

749
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Are you buying that over under on the three thirty four.

750
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: He is a very large man, he under. It's funny.

751
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: The other day I asked Vance about and this is

752
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: where I was going with this is I was asking

753
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: about how he's because he told me he wanted to

754
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: be in better not in better shape. I forget exactly

755
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: what he said, but he wanted more explosive. He wanted

756
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: he just wanted to have his body be right back

757
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: to his rugby days when he's running the ball. Google

758
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: that up on YouTube, I mean, watched the days through YouTube. Whatever,

759
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, just go ahead and fire

760
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: it up there. I'm not crossing her right now. Don't

761
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 1: don't don't micro manage the details there. Just go find

762
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: the video. But I don't Vance. The other day City

763
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: weighs three twenty and maybe he still does weigh three twenty.

764
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: But I don't know he looks I mean, he looks

765
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: like he's in great shape. I don't know if he

766
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: looks like a guy you're gonna stick in the middle

767
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: of the defensive line. But he's he was part of

768
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: the megawatt package last year, right, it was him and

769
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: JJ right? Correct? Yes, okay, which makes sense because once again,

770
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: and I asked him flat out asked him in the

771
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: mule room one day, do you want the rock? Because

772
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: once again he would carry the football and rugby whatever

773
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: they call running back in rugby, he was the guy

774
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: nobody wanted a piece of Lucky Foe two running down

775
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: the field at full gallop. I mean it was it

776
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: was a sight to behold. And so with that in mind,

777
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: there's no doubt he has the athleticism. Now I'm not

778
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: buying he's three twenty or below, but uh, how much

779
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: do you think he weighs right now? Looking at him?

780
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: At least three thirty five? Really at least maybe? I

781
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: just know it's just so solid like a Will. He

782
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: was the line version of a Will Hernandez. I'm gonna

783
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: say this, then if he I know they list him

784
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: at three thirty, If he is at three twenty right now,

785
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: then he was well above three thirty before. Because he

786
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: absolutely is not as heavy as he was last year. Okay,

787
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: let me look at him when he's got his pads

788
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: off when you saw him in the restaurant, not the

789
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: food established for it was forefathers. Okay, did he have

790
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: the family platter or did he have a single serving?

791
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: He just had one sandwich. Unfortunately he was eating with

792
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: Matt Dickerson, who was no longer with us. He's not dead,

793
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: he just got released. Clarification here, Danny, you're gonna save us.

794
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: No that observation right there? All right, Well, we have

795
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: been beating around the bush and avoiding the news. One

796
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons the offense maybe lag behind the defense

797
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: here to start this practice week is because they're missing

798
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: they're starting Pro Bowl quarterback. Danny, please explain. Kyler Murray

799
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: tested positive for COVID. Kingsbury said that he had mild symptoms.

800
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: He tested because he wasn't feeling too hot, so he

801
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: was going to do the minimum five days. But I

802
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: guess he's feeling better, so hopefully we'll be back sooner

803
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: rather than later. My guess is my guess says he'll

804
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: still be gone five days. But if it's five days,

805
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: he's still got a chance to be back for the

806
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: rain and white practice. We'll see what happens, but I'm

807
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: guessing at this point there's no reason to rush him.

808
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: And I think he would have to test negative to

809
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: be back before the five days, and I don't know

810
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: if that's once you test positive. I don't know how

811
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: easy it is to test negative within five days. I

812
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: don't think it's happening quite that quickly from what I

813
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: understand about people that have tested positive, not that I

814
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: know that many of them, but well, you can walk

815
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: down the hallway and talk to Ron Wolfleck. True. So

816
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: on that account, Kyler Murray will see when he's do

817
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: next in Cardinals camp. Not exactly certain. I was intrigued

818
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: by the comments that Cliff Kingsbury made, and I would

819
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: agree with the fact when Cliff says that, if nothing else,

820
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray has developed more mental toughness. And you know what,

821
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: based on this offseason, Yeah, there's cause and effect, right,

822
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: whether it was the playoff loss to start twenty twenty two,

823
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: which is looking at the years ago, it does, it does.

824
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: But think about a football career where how many times

825
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: did Kyler Murray ever fail? Right? I mean you're shaking

826
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: your head. Not many, if at all? He was undefeating.

827
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: You heard him when he got up there and he

828
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: played a little defense by going on offense and citing

829
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: his track record of being undefeated as a high school

830
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. One year as a starter in college, he

831
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: wins the Heisman, he wins offensive Rookie of the Year,

832
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: and then he's a two time Pro bowlers next two years.

833
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, Yeah, there's a little adversity,

834
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: there's a speed bump, there's you know, dare I say,

835
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: the most embarrassing performance of his football career that was

836
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: on display for a national TV audience and that playoff

837
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: loss to the Rams, and then we have everything that

838
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: was the independent study clause that no longer exists and

839
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: that addent him everything else once again put him in

840
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 1: the spotlight. Yeah, there's been a lot for Kyler Murray

841
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: to deal with in process. So A, I would agree

842
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: the mental toughness is probably beyond where it's ever been.

843
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: And b there's got to be more motivation than ever

844
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: before Danny and I wonder if that materializes and he

845
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: takes it out on defenses for seventeen games. And you

846
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: know what I think is a good showing of the

847
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: mental toughness is when Kyler Murray talked in his press

848
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: conference after getting the contract, extension in the auditorium of

849
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: saying he feels that that not just the playoff loss

850
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: to the RAMS, but the way that they lost could

851
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: end up helping them on the long run and understanding

852
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: how to better handle that situation and what to learn

853
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: from and not to me says that you're looking at

854
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: this to mental toughness. It's not the way to say it,

855
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: but having that mental toughness to look at it axy

856
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: that way instead of just oh, they were better, like

857
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: how can we use this to our benefit? And I

858
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: do think him getting up there and essentially defending his

859
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: work ethic for somebody who is very private and keeps

860
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: to himself in social media and with the media in general,

861
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: I think also says a lot too of how strongly

862
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: he felt that he has earned what he has gotten.

863
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: I will I want to say one. I know you

864
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: gave me a point earlier in the podcast. Do you

865
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: get Do I get another one? For asking that question

866
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: in the contract press conference that elicited that answer you

867
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: like so much because I asked that question. No, really, no,

868
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: because if you have to throw it up to yourself

869
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: like that, Darren, I'm not going to give it. Yeah,

870
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: of course not. I will say that I didn't. I

871
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: thought I thought the press conference because we haven't had

872
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to it, talk about it on

873
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: underground since it happened. That the defending himself. I know

874
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: there's people out there, and especially national people that thought

875
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: that was terrible and he shouldn't have done that, And

876
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I there's fans that said he didn't handle it the

877
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: right way, and I don't understand any of those. I

878
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: feel like that was exactly what he needed to do

879
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: and that really paid off for him. I think, ultimately,

880
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: I think he felt better. I think the way he

881
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: handled that press conference that was this is going to

882
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: come across poorly, I really do because it's not. And

883
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean it this way. I really mean this

884
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: as a compliment, but I felt like that was the

885
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: most adult he had sounded, and a lot of the

886
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: things he had done, I mean, he didn't he wasn't

887
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: messing around there. It was like it felt like a

888
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: guy's like, this is my life, quit ff and around

889
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: with my life here. UM and I agree, UM like

890
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: him talking about you know, not people his size haven't

891
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: done what he's done. I mean, it's been brought up.

892
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: I've heard Dan Bickley bring this up before, but I

893
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: agree with that, like this is something that he would

894
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: get really defensive about for the longest time, and now

895
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: he's using it as like he's pointing out, like I

896
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: understand that's something I've got to overcome, and and that

897
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: that specifically again times. But he never used to and

898
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: if you brought it up to him before, he'd get prickly.

899
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: And now it's like, Okay, I can can't keep fighting this. Obviously,

900
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,479
Speaker 1: I know this is something I think that all goes

901
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: to it. I mean, I think in the day he

902
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: held the press conference after the contract and you know,

903
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: his parents weren't attendants, and his agent and we are

904
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: live on the air and the dog stole the show

905
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: swoosh as I screwed up the name earlier, and sou

906
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: and I we both said that Wolf and I were

907
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: on the air and we said, you know what, that's

908
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: the first time we've really heard him acknowledge that. Yeah,

909
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: he was never certain he was going to be a

910
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: first round quarterback based on his height, because it was

911
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: it just it didn't check that box. It was he

912
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: was such an outlier in so many ways based on

913
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: the history of the game and guys who were drafted

914
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: that position in round one. He said he wasn't even

915
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: sure he was gonna be, you know, have a baseball

916
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: career and be highly drafted just based on his size

917
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: and statue, which I found really intriguing that But that's

918
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: the first time he is admitted as much. It's funny

919
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: because I remember doing a sit down with him right

920
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: after his rookie year for Flight playing in and he

921
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of like, I didn't know

922
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: and some of these questions had to do with that

923
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Kyle odegard oral history of being drafted that he did,

924
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: but he was like, I didn't know if I was

925
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: going to be a first round pick. But when he

926
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: said it back then, I kind of interpreted that like,

927
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: I think I should have been a first round pick,

928
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know if somebody else is going to

929
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: want to make me. Whereas when he says it lately,

930
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: it came across a little bit more like maybe he

931
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 1: had his own doubts whether he should be a first

932
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: round pick. So, you know, I think humanizing himself a

933
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: little bit can only help, And I thought that's what

934
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: the press conference the other day was humanizing himself, and

935
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: certainly getting COVID humanizes him because now he's like everybody

936
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: else well, and I think we can safely say this

937
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to negativity, He's never faced this level

938
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: of negativity in his career ever. And he sort of

939
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: half jokingly, half seriously put it on the agent for

940
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: bringing all the quote heat and hate Adam in the

941
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: off season based on how the agent went about things

942
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: in such an unprofessional way. You know, so many different

943
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: ways he did that. So I just this whole thing.

944
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: I said to myself, you know what, if Kyler, we

945
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: are sitting here with Kyler in the trust tree and

946
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: said was this year welcome to the NFL moment, I

947
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: bet you he'd say yes. For a guy who came

948
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: into the league and was the Rookie of the Year

949
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: and then a two time Pro Bowler, I almost wonder

950
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: if by welcome to the NFL moment, this is the

951
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: moment at which you know what, Yeah, this is a job.

952
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: This isn't just ball, this is a profession. And as

953
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: the face of a franchise, and as a franchise quarterback,

954
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna get too much credit, You're gonna get too

955
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: much blame. And guess what you're going to be a

956
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: lightning rod for anything and everything coming your way. And

957
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: in that regard to Darren's point, I think he does

958
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: maybe sound a little more mature because he has had

959
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: to grow up this offseason. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I

960
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: don't at some point. At some point you have to.

961
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: And now that he knows he is the franchise quarterback

962
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: and you're getting paid like a franchise quarterback, you have

963
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: to step up and you have to start having that

964
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: attitude and doing all that in the sense of again,

965
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is a very private person, and I think

966
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: he also took a lot of heat of this offseason,

967
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: people questioning what type of leader he was because of that,

968
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: because he's not the stereotypical, very vocal leader like we

969
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: a lot of the quarterbacks we see around the league.

970
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering if now that he has that

971
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: contract secured and he knows he's here a long term,

972
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: that maybe this is the year we see him step

973
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: more into that role of he's what twenty four, twenty five,

974
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: sers twenty five, sometime in the next few days, A

975
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: happy early birthday to Kyler Murray. Maybe now he's stepping

976
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: into that role of the franchise quarterback and all that

977
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: comes with that in the presser room, I wonder if

978
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: it almost brings this team together. You talk about a

979
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: quarterback is responsible for leadership. I wonder if it really

980
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: results in that locker room rallying behind their quarterback who

981
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: has been that lightning rod. And it was taking a

982
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: lot of criticism, a lot of it unwarranted, and people

983
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: piling on, and I wonder, I wonder if it actually

984
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: brings that locker room together and makes him more of

985
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: a leader, because it just would automatically generate more followers,

986
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, more supporters. I mean, I think

987
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: that's possible. And you know, again, this is all kind

988
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: of a journey as we go, and I understand that

989
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: part of it, and ultimately, you know, it gets at

990
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: one point Cliff said when we open camp that you

991
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: know when talk about the studying and everything, and Cliff

992
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: said something along the lines of I judge him on

993
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: how he's playing, and that's and that and winning and

994
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: that's ultimately going to be the judge. And there was

995
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: a fan that got really mad at that, like how

996
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: could you say that? And I'm thinking, what do you mean?

997
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: How can you say? That's like, that's that's all it is.

998
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's it's it's funny to say this right now,

999
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: but Aaron Rodgers doesn't last nearly as long as he's had,

1000
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: as quirky as he is if he's not super successful

1001
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, Brett Farve didn't win over

1002
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: all his teammates. I know that for a fact in

1003
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. But he was a great quarterback,

1004
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: so people moved on. Ben Roethlisberger I think in some

1005
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: ways was like that. I mean, it's it's gonna be

1006
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: ultimately about how you perform on the field and how

1007
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: you played out. Leadership is part of it, having, like

1008
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: Paul said, having people follow you as part of it.

1009
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: I get all that, But if Kyler Murray is throwing

1010
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: three touchdowns a week and not quite Carson Palmer as

1011
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: a leader, no one's gonna give a crap. It kind

1012
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: of reminds me of the old t O tyr eyed

1013
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: podium presser about Tony Romo. Remember that after the Cowboys

1014
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: playoff loss, and he's like, that's my quarterback, that's my guy, man,

1015
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: remember that that whole thing, that's my teammate. It kind

1016
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: of reminds me of that in some ways if that

1017
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals locker room rallies around Kyler in that regard, Do

1018
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna play a single snap in the preseason,

1019
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: by the way, Danny, Yes or no? You think he's

1020
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: gonna snap? I mean, honestly, do you think he'll see

1021
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: he will see some action. They'll put him out, They'll

1022
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: put him out there against the Ravens on National TV. Yeah,

1023
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: he will see us snap. Well, he seemed more than

1024
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: one series. No, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't

1025
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: play in Cincinnati because that's turf and good Boy's gonna

1026
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: be coming off COVID the week before. Joe Burrow isn't

1027
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: playing in that because she doesn't play, and then I'm guessing,

1028
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing he doesn't play against the Bagels. You

1029
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: come home. You have a national TV game on Sunday night.

1030
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Fox is showing it got the new alternate helmets. He

1031
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: might say, I have to play in the Ravens game

1032
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: because it's got the alternate helmets, and he'll play a

1033
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: series or two, and then he won't play in Tennessee.

1034
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: That would be my guess right now. Yeah, that's true.

1035
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: Give the National TV audience at least the first quarter

1036
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: of Lamar against Kyler. Yeah and okay, yeah, because done

1037
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: this long time, Paul, based on what Cliff Kingsbury said

1038
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: in his game playing with Mike Vrabel, and those joint

1039
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: practices come in the Cardinals way that week in Tennessee,

1040
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: and then the game doesn't sound like any regulars or starters,

1041
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: very few are going to play against Tennessee. He's gonna

1042
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: treat yes, and that doesn't matter it's a third or

1043
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: fourth preseason game. It's the final preseason game, and guys

1044
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: aren't going to play well. And the other thing about

1045
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: joint practices, and this is one of the reasons coaches

1046
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: love them so much, is specifically for that they like

1047
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: the idea of having a controlled way to use and

1048
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: go against another team with your quote unquote best players.

1049
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: That isn't a game that you can be smart, but

1050
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: you can still get some work in. And a lot

1051
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: of I've seen a lot of coaches saying that ultimately

1052
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: in the week where they do the joint practices, the

1053
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: joint practice themselves are much more important to them than

1054
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: the preseason game they play against that team. Interesting, Okay,

1055
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,959
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, As long as we're at it here talking

1056
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: about what we expect and playing time and snaps and

1057
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: all that. Hollywood Brown was spotted at practice. He was

1058
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: in a jersey, he wasn't in full pads. But that's

1059
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: also going to be a process and an acclamation for

1060
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: him to return and hit the field. Right. Yeah, he's

1061
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: coming off a hamstring injury. So he was activated and

1062
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: it's the team's call to just slowly ramp him up

1063
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: of next couple of days, get him ready to do

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00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: individual drills as he continues to do walkthroughs, and then

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00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: early next week hopefully ready to do team stuff. Yeah,

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00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: tell you what you want to get a read on

1067
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: your corners, wait till Hollywood is healthy. Honestly, it'll be fine,

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00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: and you go, Okay, Antonio Hamilton, Josh Jackson get out

1069
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: there on number two and you just call a couple

1070
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: of go routes and whatever. He played the preseason game

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: against the Ravens. Yes, yes, I would say so, yeah, yeah,

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00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: that I would agree. He probably doesn't play in Cincinnati

1073
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: coming off a hamstring. No, No, I doubt that as well.

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00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: I think a J greenplay the Cincinnati game. While we're

1075
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 1: at it. It's right, my J. Sanders says somebody's got

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00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: a play receiver. My J Sanders from Cincinnati the Bearcats

1077
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: says he's looking forward to that. He's the one and

1078
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: maybe only guy who's truly looking forward to the first

1079
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: preseason game would be my J. Sanders because that's a

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00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: big deal to him, going back to Cincinnati and preseason game.

1081
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: Just because I like hearing Paul's dulcet tones. Oh no,

1082
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: just stop, just stop? Please? Uh? Where where is Dave Pash?

1083
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: By the way, I need to download a prep session

1084
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: with Dave Pash before we go. PAULI play by play

1085
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: around here? So what else? Anything else you want to

1086
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: hit up? The Guardian Caps? Uh, I don't have to

1087
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: worry about the Guardian Caps. You know. That's a fine.

1088
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind touching on this. The DeAndre Hopkins Deshaun

1089
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: Watson thing. That's good, you say me, because I was

1090
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: gonna try and work in you know, their drip or

1091
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: their fits, you know, and Danny was gonna WinCE in

1092
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: pain as I try to use that, and s she's

1093
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: already doing it actually, So okay, you're right. Um. I mean,

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00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: you see six games come out for Deshaun Watson everybody, Now,

1095
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: how can you not think of you're all pro receiver

1096
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and the injustice. Come on now, and I'm

1097
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna say this. I'm not going to sit here and

1098
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: say that Hopkins should have fewer than six games, because

1099
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: I agree with him. The NFL is black and white.

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00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: Now we can argue about whether he should have gotten

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00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: popped in the first place, because obviously he feels like

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00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: with the trace amount he got bamboozled somehow, But the

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00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: six games of the six games, what bothers me is,

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00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't care about what happened in a quote unquote

1105
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: real court room. There's enough out there in terms of

1106
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: what Deshaun Watson did, and there's enough out there just

1107
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: by what the retired judge who gave him the six

1108
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: game suspension said about what he did and that the

1109
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: NFL proved that basically this stuff happened. I do not

1110
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: understand how you only get six games for that. I agree.

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00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the summary, and you look

1112
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: at some of the highlights of what was written in

1113
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: the findings and mister Watson's predatory conduct quote unquote that

1114
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: he knew that the sexual contact was unwanted quote end quote.

1115
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: Here's another portion the pattern of conduct was found to

1116
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: be more egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL.

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00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: The conduct posed a genuine danger to the safety and

1118
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: well being of another human being. I mean, and that

1119
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: equates to this same suspension length as a trace amount

1120
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: of a peed. So it's just perplexing and confounding. I

1121
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: understand frustrating. I understand the frustration of obviously with the

1122
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: team that we cover and putting the six games compared

1123
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: to DeAndre Hopkins six games for something completely different. My

1124
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: frustration is just the six games in general, like that,

1125
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: that was it. Yeah, yeah, for Watson, I feel very

1126
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: strongly about all of this, and it the way that

1127
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of domestic violence and sexual

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00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: assault cases and consequences are handled by the league, in

1129
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, are I mean, I can't get fine, can't

1130
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: I on this podcast? I mean, it's a joke, and

1131
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a joke that the lack of respect that is

1132
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: being shown to women and putting the quote unquote integrity

1133
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: of the game over protecting women and people in general

1134
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: and their safety and saying that this is more important

1135
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: that we would rather have this player and give him

1136
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: every dollar guaranteed of his contract and have him out

1137
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: here if that means we can win football games as

1138
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: opposed to caring about who he is as a person

1139
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: and the danger he might pose to those around him.

1140
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: So I understand the frustration of and I agree. I

1141
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair that someone like DeAndre Hopkins, for

1142
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: that reason, has the same amount of games he has

1143
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: suspended from Deshaun Watson when you look at why they

1144
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: are both suspended. But my frustration digs way way deeper

1145
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: than just the six games. And how all of this

1146
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: was handled. I don't. I don't understand how. And this

1147
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: was from the judge's own brief, where she wrote that

1148
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: it was a it was a non violent sexual assault. Yes, yes, isn't?

1149
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: Is that like jumbo shrimp? I mean that, How do

1150
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: you put those two things together? How is any sexual

1151
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: assault non violent? I don't. That makes no sense to me. Actually,

1152
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: it's described to be completely accurate. Non violent assault is

1153
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: all itself non violent assault. Those are the words used

1154
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: in the brief, And I agree. And if the pat

1155
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: and if it's a pattern of conduct that is more

1156
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: egregious than any before reviewed by the NFL, there's another

1157
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: direct quote, not just the conduct is more but it's

1158
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: a pattern of conduct as opposed to like the first

1159
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: time offender, like a DeAndre Hopkins when it comes to

1160
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: a trace amount. But the best part is it's it's

1161
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 1: there's a pattern, she says. But it's somewhere else, she says,

1162
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: because one of the mitigating factors is that he's a

1163
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: first time offender. And as our former podcaster Kyle Utgarden

1164
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: made the point of he he forego the chance to

1165
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: be a first time offender once, he did it more

1166
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: than once. Just because he only got caught once doesn't

1167
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: mean he's a first time offender. I just I don't know. Yeah,

1168
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't have wait until the end of this,

1169
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: because now I'm all, yeah, feeling some kind of here

1170
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: and and think about this. He only loses three hundred

1171
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars of a two hundred and thirty

1172
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed contract. It's because of the way the

1173
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: contract one was structured. Yeah, he's allowed. They allowed all

1174
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: this to happen, and it's only going to cost him

1175
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: three hundred fifty He's only making a million dollars on

1176
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: a salary, which is nothing compared to any other of

1177
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: the years and that was specifically in case he got

1178
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: suspended a year, he would only lose a million dollars. See,

1179
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in light of all this, my

1180
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: nickname Hizaiah Simmons doesn't seem so bad now. It's all

1181
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: all better perspective. So it's still pretty bad. By the way,

1182
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Should we even bring up the Marcus Golden tweet just

1183
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: a while, we're just while we're on a roll here, sure,

1184
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: the Marcus Golden tweet. And I'm quoting directly underpaid, period, underappreciated,

1185
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: and undervalued. Triple exclamation point taste that, Darren. But I'm

1186
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: still working another three exclamation points just for emphasis hashtag

1187
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: let's get it. Yeah, Well, this summer or this at

1188
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: some point in the summer I went and talked I

1189
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: think you made a big deal about it on one

1190
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: of the undergrounds at how I got to talk to

1191
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: about that's right, Yeah, somehow Darren got exclusive access. And

1192
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: this is what Marcus said to me at the time.

1193
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: I'm working hard for you, and he's talking about how

1194
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: he wants a new deal. I'm working hard for you,

1195
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: and I hope you do the right thing for me.

1196
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: That's just how I am. I'm not worried about about

1197
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: to the point, man, I'm not going to play. I'm

1198
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: not going to do this or that. But the fact

1199
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: is you do go out, you work hard, and if

1200
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: you go out and compete and do your job at

1201
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: a high level and you've got the organizations back, you

1202
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: just expect them to have your back too. He said

1203
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: that this summer on easy Cardinals dot com, so that

1204
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: kind of response doesn't surprise me. He's not going to

1205
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: sit anything out. But you know, I think there's a

1206
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: lot of guys that are going into the last year

1207
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: their contract that are wondering if they're going to be

1208
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: getting something sooner rather than later. Well, and if they're not,

1209
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna play out differently in every guy. But with

1210
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: a Marcus Golden, I gotta figure lookout TikTok. He's good.

1211
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: He's poised for a big year. Honestly, I mean the

1212
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden who's super motivated like that. I'm really curious

1213
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: to see how that translates into his play this year.

1214
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: He's saying, you're getting TikTok? Is that what that was? No,

1215
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: that's a meaning. Wait, I feel like Danny has been

1216
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: on the rampage looking at us old guys using any

1217
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of something beyond like a dial up telephone, and

1218
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: then wanted to rip us. I'm just kidding. I'm sorry,

1219
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: felt like so long since we've done one of these

1220
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: in person. It was because some of us weren't here.

1221
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: Like I said, Danny, google it up on YouTube. That

1222
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: was a pretty good line. Actually, I'm keeping that line forever.

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01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: Google it up on YouTube. You go, okay, you should

1224
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: say that to your kids and see if they're nicer

1225
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: than I was. I want, I want you to use

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01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: it on like a make it a one liner with

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01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: some kind of media on the Arizona Cardinals, google it.

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01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: Google them up on YouTube. You got that, Craig Riolu,

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Speaker 1: and that'll do it. This edition of Cardinals Underground brought

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