WEBVTT - A Scandavol Ramona-coaster 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:05.680 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King, 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.600 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.280 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.400 years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.880 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.200 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.600 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.000 Watch Hey, rain Drive. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:36.800 So look, with everything going on for the Vanda Pump 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:42.040 Rules and my confession that I was not on the 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:45.680 Vanda Pump train, but now baby, I'm on it about 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.400 a first class ticket. I am in the seat of 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.000 this crazy train. But I could not do this alone. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.920 So I am joined by one of my good girlfriends who. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.080 I love, love, love, love love in my Teresa boys. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:03.920 She is the Holst Harper own podcast, The Sarah Fraser Show, 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.800 which you must check out where ever you get your podcasts. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:13.240 So big, duh, I have my girl, Sarah Fraser. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:16.200 Carlos King, I mean, Carlos, I know you're having me 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.600 on this show because literally when you listen to my 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.520 podcast and then when I team up with David Yonta, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.160 we talk about you all the time, like we talk 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:26.840 like our friend Carlos when Carlos was we reference to you, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.840 honey like left and right you are anyway. You know 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.080 I'm obsessed with you. You are the king and I love it. 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.280 No, you know I love you, and you know I love. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:40.040 David and the beauty of our chifect the throat. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.600 Ball it is, it is. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:43.480 Yeah, I know we are. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:45.600 We're the throat ble. I'm totally fine with that. Can 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.680 you imagine if you and David and I really all 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.720 hooked up and had sex. Maybe we need to do 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.240 that at Bravo. Kan want to get you a basgine, 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.560 Like what, oh god? 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.200 That would be something else. Can you imagine the blogs? 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.920 The headline of Carlos King admits of big enough threat 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.080 fault with David and Sarah. But what we're here for 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.520 today is to talk about all things Bravo. So we 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.799 have to just get right into it with the new 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.079 name of this gentleman. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.600 So we're calling Tom scanned the ball. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.240 That's actually pretty generous because I you seen people now 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.560 call him Tom scumdival, which is even worse. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.080 No, isn't that Arry are? 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.560 Yes? Now they're referring to it as scumdival so bad. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.359 Oh well, honey, I wonder if the network any Cohen 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.200 is going to refer to him as sumb devall because 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.400 we have to get into the fact that Tom did 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.840 an interview. It's hard to get a Bravo celebrity on 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:55.040 our podcast, very yes, very very hard, because it's a 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.799 tight leash when it comes to the approval process of 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.320 getting a Bravo celebrity in the midst of the show 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.080 currently airing, and definitely in the midst of a scandal. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.440 So the fact that Howie Mandel who has OCD right. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.560 Sarah very extreme OCD. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.799 Yeah. In addition to that, he is known as like 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.040 the deal or no deal guy. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.880 Like we know him based on like having these beautiful 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:28.919 women open up suitcases. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.480 Hey, Megan Marco and Claudia Jordan. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.800 Yeah, I had no idea that horrid mindale would even 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.400 be interested in speaking to Tom, but he did. So, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.560 Sarah talk to us about this interview, what they talked about, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.960 and your thoughts on this, because mister Andy Cohen was 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.200 not too happy with this interview. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.200 I know, which Actually I feel like Andy should be 0:03:55.320 --> 0:04:00.800 happy because Okay, the biggest thing about this interview everybody 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.240 and myself included, were trying to piece together, is how 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.120 were how are Howie Mendel and Tom Sandoval connected at all? 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.800 So supposedly they met at a wedding, they have a 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.680 mutual friend and then it almost sounded like at the 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.400 start of the interview and I didn't even realize that 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.479 Tom still had this. But he has a men's skincare 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.520 line in Target, and how he was almost an investor. Okay, 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.880 but even their friendship is not a super close one. However, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.720 I do think I think for Tom Sandival this was 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.720 a genius move because my in look you you know 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.240 you you're a producer. I think he's about to get 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:41.080 destroyed at that reunion, destroyed. And this was a neutral 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.200 ground of Howie Mendel. I mean, it really did look 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.560 bad for Howie. How he knew nothing nothing, how I 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.200 didn't even know what Scandabal was. He didn't know who 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.800 Shea was, He didn't know who anybody. I mean, you 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.840 could have talked to him about Aliens, he would have 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.000 known more like I like Howie, but it was kind 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.960 of embarrassing. And so what I think it was so 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.719 genius for Tom though, is this was such a neutral 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.320 ground of someone who was so in Tom's corner, saying, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.159 you know, you don't deserve all this hate. You're human, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.200 I've known you, we're pals, You're a good human being, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.920 which many of those things I'm sure could be true, right. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.479 I mean, he's just he's just done this catastrophic incident 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.080 in front of the world that we're all judging. So 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:29.320 on Tom's part, I thought the interview was genius because 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.160 you know how He's daughter's there and she's trying to 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.040 like make up for her dad's lack of knowledge. But 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.600 the questions were rather softball. They give Tom a ton 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.680 of time to explain, and you know, if I were Andy, 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.920 I would not. I know, it seems like how he 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.599 scooped him. But you know, when Andy's going to interview 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.200 him at this reunion, he's doing it in front of 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:57.039 all of Tom's you know, co stars like Arianna's there. 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.320 And Concubine and Concuban ask kind of occupied. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.240 So it's like, to me, that's a whole other level 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:08.720 of cringe. I wasn't so cringed by this interview. I 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.200 was just it did give me more perspective, and I thought, 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.400 for Tom Sandoval, if I were Tom, I would find 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.520 a neutral friend that was really in my corner, and 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:18.920 that would be the first place I would want to 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:19.360 announce it. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:23.080 Let's just really talk about it. Okay. We already addressed 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:23.919 the fact that it. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.440 Is very hard to get a ravolerity to appear on podcasts, 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:35.400 especially because Bravo's approval pattern is very strict, is very strict. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.760 And that's that's public knowledge. Okay, that's number one. Number two. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:47.800 Tom is a heterosexual male, white male. Ari Mandell a hetero. 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:48.560 Sexual white male. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.960 I think you're onto something, Sarah, in the sense of look, 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.120 Andy is really great at asking the questions that the fans, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.600 all of us want to know. 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:02.000 Okay, Tom needed a friend in this. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.120 I agree with you one hundred percent, Sarah, that Andy 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.840 must have handed Tom's his ass in front of him 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:14.240 amongst the other women and the castmates. That Tom knew 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.640 what was coming down the popline on this. I think 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.280 it's going to be a four part reunion. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:20.640 I do too. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.120 I mean, yeah, people are so invested in this, one 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:23.680 hundred percent. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:24.200 Four parts. 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:25.080 I mean, we know. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:26.320 I think five is too much. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:26.880 So for you. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.680 I think four parts on Bravo and something special for 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.040 peacock that made. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:34.760 Equal five wouldn't shock me. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:35.720 It wouldn't shock me. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:41.480 So I believe that Tom, to your point, allegedly went 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:47.440 behind Bravo's back to do this interview without Bravo approving it, 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.400 because I think he knew let me talk to a 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:56.480 fellow heterosexual, white male who I'm friends with, who doesn't 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:02.680 have these preconceived notions of not only the show, the 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.240 scandal and my participation in it. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.200 And Harry Mandel, who, for all. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.920 Intent and purposes, is a great host and a funny comedian. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:20.360 He's not messy by design, he's not a journalist, he's 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:25.720 not a reality lover. So to have this sort of 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:32.640 safe space to emote without interruption and being challenged listen. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.719 As a producer and creator, I'm on the side of 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:40.439 Andy and Bravo obviously, but as somebody who also is 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.440 a human being, I do believe that what Tom did 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.760 was smart in the sense of he wanted to make 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.360 sure he got ahead of the train brack that was 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:54.640 going to happen on the reunion. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.880 Oh, one hundred and ten percent, right. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.000 Oh, and look, I mean the way Tom Sandoval comes 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.839 across in this interview with Howie is he makes it 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.400 sound like for a very long time he tried to 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:12.160 dump Ariana. He suggested they go to therapy, you know, 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.520 he wanted somebody, you know, a neutral ground to explain 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.000 it to her that she was just not taking no. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.040 And even towards the end of their relationship, before he'd 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.760 had sex with Raquel the first time, he was facetiming 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.199 with Raquel with arian in the room, and you know, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.120 she didn't even notice what was happening. I mean, Tom 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.280 sets it up if I didn't know the whole story, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.600 right I and I did even walk away with more 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.640 empathy towards Tom Sandoval from this interview, because Tom makes 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.839 it sound like they really were over, you know, and 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.559 then they he ends up getting with Raquel, even though 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.160 because he and Ariana have been having issues for so 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.920 long and they were so distant, she she would never 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.439 apologize in the relationship. And look, Carlos, I don't know 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.520 about you, but in my life I've che on people 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.480 and I've been cheated on. And the truth of the matter, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.880 well I don't care because when you cheat, there is 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.600 something fundamentally going wrong in the relationship. And I think 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.480 what I walked away from that, Howie Mandel interview, saying 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.800 is they had major red flags. Now Tom's big mistake 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.680 is Tom is a pussy. You know you have to like, hey, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:21.560 I'm sorry if it's why he didn't want to come 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.400 on my show for months. You were not into her. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.640 You you know, you guys were in therapy. You did 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.199 not want to be with this woman. And instead of 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.959 just making a hard decision of telling her straight to 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:32.760 her face. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.719 Over and over, we are done. I am not into you. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.440 All the romance is gone. 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.160 He dilly dallied around until he had sex with somebody else. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.240 Are he made a hard decision, He made a very 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:54.280 erect tile decision, maybe not Torihanna, but to somebody else, baby. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.680 Because this is what I discovered too. Tom's hot. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:58.800 He is hot. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.840 And when they his mustache at the end of the show, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.800 which which wasn't this whole thing fascinating? I mean, Howevendell, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.160 a complete germophobe, somehow sat right next to Tom Sandoval 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.200 and managed to shave his mustache. Like it just seems 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.440 to me, like, really, Howie, really, are you that OCD? 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.880 Because that seemed like a deception to me. Damn it. 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.679 You know I didn't get that Eithering was very stray. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.920 But it also goes to show you that I think 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.319 Tom just won a very safe space because look, I 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.440 can say this and it's true. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.800 Bravo audience is watched by females and gay men. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.559 Ninety nine percent of the audience is not on Tom's side. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.520 So you're right. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.520 He went on hobby show, he wanted to feel comfortable, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.520 he got as mustache shade. He is a very attractive guy. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:52.240 I'm like you, I cheated once before, maybe twice, but 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:53.760 it's because. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.240 Yeah, you too. Two sounds right, Okay, right, you're not 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.800 listening that happens. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:00.319 I don't judge anybody. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:05.160 Because I also used to make a mistake, but I 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:06.679 also somebody. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.079 Who at least owned up to it and admitted it 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.600 to the person I was with at the time. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.319 So I agree with you in the sense of things 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.240 have been bad with this couple for a very long time, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.640 and instead of being honest, he was being, in your words, 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:25.160 a pussy and not owning up to like what he. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:26.120 Wanted to do. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.480 And I think if he was able to do that, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.640 then who knows, maybe he wouldn't be. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:34.600 In this predictiment. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.960 Oh, completely completely. 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.000 I can relate and to your point the time that 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.800 I cheated, Like within seventy two hours, I confess to 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:45.960 the person, you know, And I was because I couldn't 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:46.640 live with the guilt. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:50.000 Wait wait wait seventy two hours. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.600 Yes, because I felt so guilty. Yes, it was awful. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:55.480 Two years. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.560 Well does the time really matter? It doesn't matter as 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.199 long as you're up to it. You're right, Okay, I 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.760 feel good about yourself. But you know, I mean, he 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.120 should have owned up to it, and he is hot. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.640 When he shaved that mustache on the show after, I 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.959 was like, oh damn, oh oh, I got to turn 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:13.280 this off. 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:18.160 Good thing, this interview is ending. I'm about ready to dmm. Look, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:19.719 I had more empathy for him. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.320 I you know, I think the saddest part and I'm curious, 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.280 but you think because how he did have a good 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.720 point on this. Towards the end of the interviews, Tom 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.199 said he really doesn't. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:29.600 Care about the hate. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.520 I don't think he really gives a shit about scandabal 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.000 at all, except for the businesses. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.040 He doesn't want to hurt his business partners. But what 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:36.360 he said is such a betrayal. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.520 Is all of these other cast members going on all 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.760 of their podcasts, going on everybody else's podcast talking about 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.360 it and kind of texting him for information like, oh, 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.079 how are you so then they can use that on 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.160 their own shows and how He was like, you're on 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.679 a reality show, you know this is their time to 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.840 cash in your and he's and Tom is saying yeah, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.840 but some of these people I thought were my friends. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.120 This has been a decade. I don't know. Do you 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.319 ever have friends when you're on a reality show or not? 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:04.839 Really? 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.040 I will say this, obviously I have a lot of 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.040 friends on reality TV and you do too, Sarah. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:14.319 And one thing we know is we know a lot, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.520 and it doesn't mean we always. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.200 Spill the tea because the thing is this, I am 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.840 a good friend and I keep my relationship sacred. I 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.360 know a lot about the housewives and the Marathion Medicine ladies, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.480 et cetera. Unless they give me permission or they come 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:33.920 to my show when we talk about it, I'm not 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.080 going to spill their tea because it's inappropriate. So I 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.880 do feel back for Tom because you don't know who 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:45.200 to trust anymore. Like, for example, there's rumors that Quad 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.160 is coming back to Maritime Medicine, right. I talk to 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.240 Quad frequently I'm not texting Quad to ask her about it. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.040 Number one and number two, I don't want to. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.040 Put her in a position to where she feels like 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.680 if I tell Carlos, is he going to go in 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.920 his podcast? So I keep my friendships very separate from 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.040 the tea that I either may know or may want 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.800 to know. So I do feel bad for Tom when 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:16.720 it comes to that, especially because Lala can't have a podcast. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.480 And this is no shade to La La. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:25.600 Ever since this scandal, La LA's podcast has skyrocketed to 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.560 like being in the top two of all podcasts. Right 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:30.640 knocking down me and Sarah Fraser. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.400 I know, damn it, you know, I get what Tom 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.520 is saying is they've really seen this as a moment 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.800 of ohshit, our entire TV show and careers have been saved. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:42.760 So we're going to. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.040 Double down on Tom Sandibal. Tom Sandibal is the victim here, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:47.920 and he's not the victim. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.600 You know again, Tom, what I walked away with that 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.320 Howie interview is I have empathy for him. It's not easy. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.840 People cheat every single day. It's just that Tom is like, 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.600 get a backbone. You should have just said it and 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:02.840 come out and owned it. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:04.080 From the beginning. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.520 Listen, I agree with you one hundred percent. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:12.160 So Andy Collen went on his radio show and said that, 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.640 and I'm paraphrasing. He thought it was a softball interview. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.680 He thought that Howie should have done his homework. He 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.520 referred to Howie as the jack hole of the day. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.320 That's a little much, I'm my Andy, that's a lot 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:32.760 and so much so. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:34.920 Howie had to. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:41.640 Go speak to Billy Bush on Atra TV saying that 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.360 I had no idea this was such a scandal. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:45.520 I had no idea. 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:50.120 These Bravo fans are as crazy as they are because 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:51.000 they're attacking me. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:52.040 He said. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.200 I post on TikTok and Instagram every day. I have 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.560 been the past day or two because it's been insanity 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:01.640 for me and Howie. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:02.400 I don't know. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.159 He's such a nice guy that he feels like I 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:06.320 stepped in the do doo. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:07.800 But what do you think about all of that? 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.000 Is Andy justify for calling abr Mandel the jack hole 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:12.840 of the day. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:14.280 I think that's too much. 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.399 I do agree with Andy, I mean, how he was 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.359 so not prepared and you know you have guests on 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.440 all the time. I mean you ought to know the basics, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.879 like I get that he hasn't watched seasons and seasons 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.520 of vander Pump Rules, but I mean he should have 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.119 started the interview like, hey man, you know we're friends. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:31.840 We met at this wedding. I've been reading a lot 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.600 about you the past three days. Are any of these 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.440 things accusations true? What do you think about this? 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:38.040 You know? 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.159 I mean it was so ill prepared. 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.439 Completely, so unprofessional for a guy that's been in our 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:45.200 industry for so long, you know what I mean. It 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.840 literally was like he just walked in from I don't know, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.119 after working out and decided to conduct an interview and 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:51.080 post it on YouTube. 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.960 It was like that flippant you know, I don't think 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.520 he's the jack hole of the day. 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:57.520 I don't. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.160 I think that's a little much, do you know, Well. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.080 He's Hollie macdeal. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.240 But I also listen based on the Billie Bush interview 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.480 that Hobby Mandel did, I think it's everything we've been saying. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:08.800 Tom is a friend. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.280 Howie's daughter is a huge fan of the show. So 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.600 I think that Hobby was like, he's my friend, my 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.440 daughter think this is a great get. I'm a businessman. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.879 I've been in this business for fifty years. This is 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.400 a great publicity for me. I don't think he went 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.760 and thinking it would be as much shade as he's receiving. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.200 So I will say I don't think he's a jack 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.600 hole of the day. A lot of fans think that 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.920 giving Jackson Britney a show on Peacock is jack holish. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:42.080 So let's talk about that. 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:45.600 Sarah Frager, what are your thoughts on Jackson Brittany doing 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.520 what some sort of after show on Peacock? 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.600 What is this about? Three parts? 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:52.560 When I had read it, it was three different parts, 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.080 all airing in April, I think April twentieth, twenty fourth, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.520 and the first one might have already aired. They are 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.440 doing a behind this scenes, you know, telling their side 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.320 of what they witnessed all those years with Jackson Brittany 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.840 on the show and their relationship and you. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.760 Know, because they've all dated each other. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:13.280 You know, that's the part that people go, why is 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.720 this story so big? And again I fault Howie for 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.639 not knowing this. It's so incestual. That's why you know, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.760 there's eleven million people in Los Angeles and yet they 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.080 can't seem to stop fucking the same five. 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.000 You know it, right? 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:27.520 I mean, go on. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:28.960 You spend a night in West Hollywood. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.200 There's so many people to do, yet they can't seem 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.160 to find one other person that isn't at I mean, sir, 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.520 is a tiny place, and let me tell you, they've 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.560 done everybody in there, Like if they walked out a cert. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.400 There's a lot of other people that have sex wen. 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:43.840 So does this mean that? 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:44.520 Okay? 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.720 So Jackson Brittany and you tell me if I'm wrong. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.159 At one point in time, they were canceled due to 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:56.680 some racist allegations on it, both parts, because Jack's allegedly 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.159 got into with a black cast member and says some 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.159 things about her. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.080 Is that all correct? 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.040 Yeah, you know, it's been a long time. 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.480 I mean the big one was Stossy and Faith, and 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.480 I know Jackson had something to do with that. I'm 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.280 not sure if I actually think it was a series 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:14.320 of racist tweets. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.960 So it was gotcha. I think you're right. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:21.280 So it was some racist tweets, and you know, he's 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.920 been a long time Twitter user, and of course you 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.120 know he was like the villain of the show anyway, 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.639 and that sort of did it, you know, And that 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.600 was like back twenty nineteen that the tweets themselves were 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.480 old from twenty twelve, but he would say that racist 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.680