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Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most

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Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten

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Speaker 1: years a production experience. Once a week from Reality with

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Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable

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Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about.

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Speaker 2: Watch Hey, rain Drive.

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Speaker 1: So look, with everything going on for the Vanda Pump

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Speaker 1: Rules and my confession that I was not on the

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Speaker 1: Vanda Pump train, but now baby, I'm on it about

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Speaker 1: a first class ticket. I am in the seat of

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Speaker 1: this crazy train. But I could not do this alone.

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Speaker 1: So I am joined by one of my good girlfriends who.

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Speaker 2: I love, love, love, love love in my Teresa boys.

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Speaker 1: She is the Holst Harper own podcast, The Sarah Fraser Show,

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Speaker 1: which you must check out where ever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: So big, duh, I have my girl, Sarah Fraser.

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Speaker 3: Carlos King, I mean, Carlos, I know you're having me

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Speaker 3: on this show because literally when you listen to my

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Speaker 3: podcast and then when I team up with David Yonta,

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Speaker 3: we talk about you all the time, like we talk

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Speaker 3: like our friend Carlos when Carlos was we reference to you,

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Speaker 3: honey like left and right you are anyway. You know

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Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with you. You are the king and I love it.

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Speaker 2: No, you know I love you, and you know I love.

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Speaker 1: David and the beauty of our chifect the throat.

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Speaker 2: Ball it is, it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know we are.

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Speaker 3: We're the throat ble. I'm totally fine with that. Can

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Speaker 3: you imagine if you and David and I really all

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Speaker 3: hooked up and had sex. Maybe we need to do

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Speaker 3: that at Bravo. Kan want to get you a basgine,

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Speaker 3: Like what, oh god?

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Speaker 4: That would be something else. Can you imagine the blogs?

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Speaker 1: The headline of Carlos King admits of big enough threat

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Speaker 1: fault with David and Sarah. But what we're here for

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Speaker 1: today is to talk about all things Bravo. So we

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Speaker 1: have to just get right into it with the new

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Speaker 1: name of this gentleman.

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Speaker 2: So we're calling Tom scanned the ball.

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Speaker 3: That's actually pretty generous because I you seen people now

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Speaker 3: call him Tom scumdival, which is even worse.

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Speaker 2: No, isn't that Arry are?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Now they're referring to it as scumdival so bad.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, honey, I wonder if the network any Cohen

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Speaker 1: is going to refer to him as sumb devall because

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Speaker 1: we have to get into the fact that Tom did

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Speaker 1: an interview. It's hard to get a Bravo celebrity on

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Speaker 1: our podcast, very yes, very very hard, because it's a

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Speaker 1: tight leash when it comes to the approval process of

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Speaker 1: getting a Bravo celebrity in the midst of the show

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Speaker 1: currently airing, and definitely in the midst of a scandal.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that Howie Mandel who has OCD right.

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Speaker 4: Sarah very extreme OCD.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In addition to that, he is known as like

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Speaker 2: the deal or no deal guy.

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Speaker 1: Like we know him based on like having these beautiful

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Speaker 1: women open up suitcases.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Megan Marco and Claudia Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had no idea that horrid mindale would even

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Speaker 1: be interested in speaking to Tom, but he did. So,

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Speaker 1: Sarah talk to us about this interview, what they talked about,

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Speaker 1: and your thoughts on this, because mister Andy Cohen was

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Speaker 1: not too happy with this interview.

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Speaker 3: I know, which Actually I feel like Andy should be

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Speaker 3: happy because Okay, the biggest thing about this interview everybody

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Speaker 3: and myself included, were trying to piece together, is how

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Speaker 3: were how are Howie Mendel and Tom Sandoval connected at all?

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Speaker 3: So supposedly they met at a wedding, they have a

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Speaker 3: mutual friend and then it almost sounded like at the

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Speaker 3: start of the interview and I didn't even realize that

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Speaker 3: Tom still had this. But he has a men's skincare

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Speaker 3: line in Target, and how he was almost an investor. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but even their friendship is not a super close one. However,

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Speaker 3: I do think I think for Tom Sandival this was

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Speaker 3: a genius move because my in look you you know

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Speaker 3: you you're a producer. I think he's about to get

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Speaker 3: destroyed at that reunion, destroyed. And this was a neutral

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Speaker 3: ground of Howie Mendel. I mean, it really did look

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Speaker 3: bad for Howie. How he knew nothing nothing, how I

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Speaker 3: didn't even know what Scandabal was. He didn't know who

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Speaker 3: could have talked to him about Aliens, he would have

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Speaker 3: known more like I like Howie, but it was kind

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Speaker 3: ground of someone who was so in Tom's corner, saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, you don't deserve all this hate. You're human,

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Speaker 3: I've known you, we're pals, You're a good human being,

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Speaker 3: which many of those things I'm sure could be true, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's just he's just done this catastrophic incident

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Speaker 3: in front of the world that we're all judging. So

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Speaker 3: on Tom's part, I thought the interview was genius because

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Speaker 3: you know how He's daughter's there and she's trying to

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Speaker 3: like make up for her dad's lack of knowledge. But

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Speaker 3: the questions were rather softball. They give Tom a ton

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Speaker 3: of time to explain, and you know, if I were Andy,

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Speaker 3: I would not. I know, it seems like how he

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Speaker 3: scooped him. But you know, when Andy's going to interview

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Speaker 3: him at this reunion, he's doing it in front of

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Speaker 3: all of Tom's you know, co stars like Arianna's there.

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Speaker 1: And Concubine and Concuban ask kind of occupied.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, to me, that's a whole other level

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Speaker 3: of cringe. I wasn't so cringed by this interview. I

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Speaker 3: was just it did give me more perspective, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: for Tom Sandoval, if I were Tom, I would find

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Speaker 3: a neutral friend that was really in my corner, and

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Speaker 3: that would be the first place I would want to

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Speaker 3: announce it.

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Speaker 2: Let's just really talk about it. Okay. We already addressed

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Speaker 2: the fact that it.

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Speaker 1: Is very hard to get a ravolerity to appear on podcasts,

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Speaker 1: especially because Bravo's approval pattern is very strict, is very strict.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's public knowledge. Okay, that's number one. Number two.

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Speaker 1: Tom is a heterosexual male, white male. Ari Mandell a hetero.

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Speaker 2: Sexual white male.

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Speaker 1: I think you're onto something, Sarah, in the sense of look,

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Speaker 1: Andy is really great at asking the questions that the fans,

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Speaker 1: all of us want to know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Tom needed a friend in this.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent, Sarah, that Andy

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Speaker 1: must have handed Tom's his ass in front of him

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Speaker 1: amongst the other women and the castmates. That Tom knew

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Speaker 1: what was coming down the popline on this. I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a four part reunion.

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Speaker 2: I do too.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, people are so invested in this, one

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Speaker 4: hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Four parts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know.

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Speaker 4: I think five is too much.

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Speaker 2: So for you.

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Speaker 1: I think four parts on Bravo and something special for

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Speaker 1: peacock that made.

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Speaker 2: Equal five wouldn't shock me.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't shock me.

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Speaker 1: So I believe that Tom, to your point, allegedly went

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Speaker 1: behind Bravo's back to do this interview without Bravo approving it,

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Speaker 1: because I think he knew let me talk to a

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Speaker 1: fellow heterosexual, white male who I'm friends with, who doesn't

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Speaker 1: have these preconceived notions of not only the show, the

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Speaker 1: scandal and my participation in it.

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Speaker 2: And Harry Mandel, who, for all.

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Speaker 1: Intent and purposes, is a great host and a funny comedian.

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Speaker 1: He's not messy by design, he's not a journalist, he's

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Speaker 1: not a reality lover. So to have this sort of

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Speaker 1: safe space to emote without interruption and being challenged listen.

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Speaker 1: As a producer and creator, I'm on the side of

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Speaker 1: Andy and Bravo obviously, but as somebody who also is

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Speaker 1: a human being, I do believe that what Tom did

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Speaker 1: going to happen on the reunion.

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Speaker 4: Oh, one hundred and ten percent, right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, and look, I mean the way Tom Sandoval comes

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Speaker 3: sound like for a very long time he tried to

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Speaker 3: dump Ariana. He suggested they go to therapy, you know,

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Speaker 3: it to her that she was just not taking no.

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Speaker 3: And even towards the end of their relationship, before he'd

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Speaker 3: had sex with Raquel the first time, he was facetiming

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Speaker 3: she didn't even notice what was happening. I mean, Tom

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Speaker 3: sets it up if I didn't know the whole story,

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Speaker 3: right I and I did even walk away with more

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Speaker 3: empathy towards Tom Sandoval from this interview, because Tom makes

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Speaker 3: long and they were so distant, she she would never

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Speaker 3: apologize in the relationship. And look, Carlos, I don't know

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Speaker 3: about you, but in my life I've che on people

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Speaker 3: well I don't care because when you cheat, there is

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Speaker 3: something fundamentally going wrong in the relationship. And I think

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Speaker 3: what I walked away from that, Howie Mandel interview, saying

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Speaker 3: is they had major red flags. Now Tom's big mistake

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Speaker 3: is Tom is a pussy. You know you have to like, hey,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry if it's why he didn't want to come

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Speaker 3: on my show for months. You were not into her.

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Speaker 3: You you know, you guys were in therapy. You did

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Speaker 4: Over and over, we are done. I am not into you.

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Speaker 4: All the romance is gone.

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Speaker 3: He dilly dallied around until he had sex with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Are he made a hard decision, He made a very

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Speaker 1: erect tile decision, maybe not Torihanna, but to somebody else, baby.

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Speaker 2: Because this is what I discovered too. Tom's hot.

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Speaker 4: He is hot.

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Speaker 3: And when they his mustache at the end of the show,

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Speaker 3: which which wasn't this whole thing fascinating? I mean, Howevendell,

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Speaker 3: and managed to shave his mustache. Like it just seems

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Speaker 3: to me, like, really, Howie, really, are you that OCD?

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Speaker 4: Because that seemed like a deception to me. Damn it.

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Speaker 2: You know I didn't get that Eithering was very stray.

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Speaker 1: But it also goes to show you that I think

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Speaker 1: Tom just won a very safe space because look, I

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Speaker 1: can say this and it's true.

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Speaker 2: Bravo audience is watched by females and gay men.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the audience is not on Tom's side.

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Speaker 2: So you're right.

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Speaker 1: He went on hobby show, he wanted to feel comfortable,

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Speaker 1: he got as mustache shade. He is a very attractive guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm like you, I cheated once before, maybe twice, but

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Speaker 2: it's because.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you too. Two sounds right, Okay, right, you're not

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Speaker 4: listening that happens.

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Speaker 2: I don't judge anybody.

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Speaker 1: Because I also used to make a mistake, but I

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Speaker 2: Who at least owned up to it and admitted it

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Speaker 2: to the person I was with at the time.

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Speaker 1: So I agree with you in the sense of things

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Speaker 4: You know it, right?

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Speaker 4: You spend a night in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: with the King, where she did talk about this allegedly

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Speaker 1: this human resources investigation into allegations of using the N word.

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Speaker 1: Vni Kay Williams, who I love I know you do too,

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Speaker 1: She has said emphatically, Ramona used the word through what

444
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Speaker 1: she was told through people working on the show, all alleged.

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Speaker 1: Long story short, they were going to do the Roney

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Speaker 1: Legacy edition shortly after my interview with Ramone, which I

447
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Speaker 1: want to get your.

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Speaker 2: Thoughts of that it wasn't re built, that Romo wasn't

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Speaker 2: going back on Legacy.

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Speaker 1: The Ramona referred to it as the Loser Show because

451
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Speaker 1: they were bringing back losers.

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Speaker 2: Now word on the street, according to page six is

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Speaker 2: that Legacy is back because it was.

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Speaker 1: Put on Paul's due to the women allegedly not being

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Speaker 1: able to come to an agreement on the feed. Jill

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Speaker 1: Zarren went on Jeff Lewis radio show and said she

457
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Speaker 1: felt like every woman deserved the same pay and that's

458
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Speaker 1: what stalled the negotiations. But now they're saying the Real

459
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Speaker 1: Housewives of New York Legacy audition will be like Ultimate

460
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Speaker 1: Girls Trip where they may go to Scary Island, and

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Speaker 1: that Ramona is in and Jill Zaren is out.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this is one hundred percent true, and

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Speaker 3: I think you called it and they listened to your

464
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Speaker 3: podcast because you're the one that said if you were

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Speaker 3: running Bravo, you would bring back all the ogs. I

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Speaker 3: think the I think what the audience says and what

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Speaker 3: the audience does is two different things. And yes, we

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Speaker 3: want diversity, we want you know, we want accountability.

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Speaker 4: But then people don't want new characters.

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Speaker 3: They don't they want these people that they've learned, they've

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Speaker 3: fallen in love with for a decade.

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Speaker 4: I'll predict it here. I think Bethany Frankel will be back.

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Speaker 2: I do. She needs to because and I'll listen she wants.

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Speaker 2: I love Bethany.

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Speaker 1: I think Bethany had to realize that there's no other

476
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Speaker 1: career for you outside of her Housewives, and you tried it.

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Speaker 1: I think the Rewive podcast, she really thought that was

478
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Speaker 1: the next big thing for her, and the first two

479
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Speaker 1: weeks it did very well. But what you and I

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Speaker 1: both know is all about staying power, and unfortunately for Bethany,

481
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Speaker 1: that podcast is not doing well anymore. And she needs

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Speaker 1: to understand that people don't want to see you with

483
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Speaker 1: mister Wonderful on CNBC talking about money. People don't want

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Speaker 1: to see you being a makeup tutorial expert. People want

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Speaker 1: you on The Royal Housewives, and that's just it.

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Speaker 2: So get back on.

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Speaker 1: The show and make new fan base, get your old

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Speaker 1: fan base. To me, I strongly believe Bethany does not

489
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Speaker 1: have any more options out there.

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Speaker 4: No, I agree. If I were her, I would lean in.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think she could have said I think

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Speaker 3: she could have another decade on Bravo. She's so synonymous

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Speaker 3: with the network, with Ronie, with Andy, with you know,

494
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Speaker 3: she's just so well known. I would lean into that

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Speaker 3: brand too, one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 4: And I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: She's tried other things, her own talk show years ago,

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Speaker 3: now the show, you know, she made guest appearances on

499
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Speaker 3: Shark Take then with Kevin O'Leary, and it just it

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Speaker 3: doesn't stick.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It is the makeup thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure even where the makeup thing has gone,

504
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Speaker 3: or she wants it to go. I think she'll be

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Speaker 3: back one hundred percent. And I think Ramona is absolutely back.

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Speaker 3: People love Ramona, they love her, they want her back.

507
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Speaker 3: I think it's genius that they reshoot this, this legacy thing.

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Speaker 3: I admire Jill for sticking to her guns, but at

509
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, networks don't care.

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Speaker 4: They don't care.

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Speaker 3: You know, that was a platform for Jill to get

512
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Speaker 3: back on the air and promote the shit out of

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Speaker 3: her daughter's candle line and take.

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Speaker 4: You know it is right.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe you negotiate, maybe you negotiate like four

516
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars more in episode or something, but right, I

517
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: mean the big paydays for a lot of these reality

518
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Speaker 3: stars are done. They are it's a plot for you

519
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 3: to launch other things. You know, I love our love

520
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Speaker 3: our girl Candice Bascett. You know she is a person

521
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 3: who is launching a bazillion other things from this housewife show.

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Speaker 1: When I didn't have the McDonald's live show back in

523
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Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty two, Jill Zarn came backstage to

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Speaker 1: of course see her friend have the McDonald Sarah.

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Speaker 2: Heather was like, oh, this is Carlos Jill. Zarah says, oh,

526
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Speaker 2: so you're the infamous Carlos King.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Jill said, oh, baby, we know Carlos King. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: is that gonna bad?

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Speaker 1: She said, oh, whatever you want it to be, we said, down,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Fraser, she could not be more sweet. She was

532
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Speaker 1: the nicest. She's everything we saw on television. She talks

533
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: to Mala minute. She she's all over the place in

534
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: terms of her thought. Her daughter was there with her boyfriend,

535
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Jill, get back on the show, Get

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Speaker 1: back on the show, get back on the show. We

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00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of conversations about it, but I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, Jill. You don't need the money. You're as

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Speaker 1: rich as they come. If I were you, Jail, I

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: would have negotiated other things. Then, Jill, this money you're making,

541
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Speaker 1: you're going to give that to your dog and his

542
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: trust fond right. It's not a money maker for you

543
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: in terms of episodic fee. This is a great platform

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Speaker 1: for you to do other things outside of it. And

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Speaker 1: because Jill my opinion, and you may agree or disagree, Sarah,

546
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy Jill on season two of Ultimate Girls.

547
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: Trip because I felt she was two in her head.

548
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: She wasn't enjoyable.

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Speaker 1: And I think when she's around her real friends Ramona Deranda,

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Speaker 1: Lulu Sonya, Kelly Vin Simone, that it would have been

551
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to see the old Jill.

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Speaker 2: Zarrant we fell in love with.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with

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Speaker 4: you more and.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just to be a fly on the wall

556
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 3: in that negotiation, you know where it really went south.

557
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: Cause I have to believe she knows that because I

558
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Speaker 3: hear great things about Jill, just like what you said

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Speaker 3: in real life all the time.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know, though, I guess she's

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00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: one hell of a negotiator. She doesn't want to I

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00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: don't know she doesn't want to give I guess.

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00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but I think she needs to give in.

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Speaker 1: And last, but not least, people are either rejoicing and

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Speaker 1: Ramona coming back allegedly or some people are protesting, at

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Speaker 1: least on Twitter, a Bravo celebrity from another show tweeted

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Speaker 1: that it was problematic to bring Ramona back. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, there's fifty percent of people who think she

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Speaker 1: should come back.

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Speaker 2: There's fifty percent of people who think she shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Look, if an investigation is done, according to Ramona, nothing

572
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: was founded. That's what Mona said, and I believe Ebanie

573
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: also said she has to trust the process and nothing

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00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: came out of it. If that's the case, we're basing

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Speaker 1: this just off of facts of an investigation, then why

576
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't Ramona come back? If I'm basic on the fact

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Speaker 1: that they launched an investigation, nothing came out of it

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Speaker 1: to prove this without a shout of a doubt, Then

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Speaker 1: why shouldn't Ramona get back on Bravo If.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing there, you can't whether we disagree or agree

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Speaker 3: with their ruling. I mean, there was nothing there, So

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Speaker 3: I think they bring her back one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 3: I just I do think when it comes to Ramona,

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Speaker 3: I think people are going to be happier than they

585
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Speaker 3: of course, they are going to be people that are.

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Speaker 4: Upset, but I think Ramona is a big draw.

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Speaker 1: She really is the reason why Rony collapsed the Legacy

588
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: edition with at Ramona.

589
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't meant to be. You cannot do. Ramona is

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Speaker 2: the face of that branch.

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Speaker 1: Equal to Bethany, Oh, totally equal to Bethany right.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think in another year or so, we're going to

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Speaker 3: get Bethany on some show, and I mean that would

595
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: be wild.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Fraser, this is my prediction.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I love this.

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Speaker 2: Santa pumb Rules is.

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Speaker 1: Going to survive another ten years due to this scandal.

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00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: So Vanda pump Roules has been resurrected due to the scandal,

601
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: because the show was kind of get him off.

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00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: The grid a little bit.

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00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: But with the resurgence of Jack's, Brittany, Kristen and all

604
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: these other people, there could be more life into the show.

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Speaker 1: So that's my prediction for Vanda Pump Rules. Last, but

606
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: not least, I do believe that if you're.

607
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: Going to do a rony, you need Ramona.

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Speaker 4: That's a bold prediction for Vander. I was thinking more

609
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Speaker 4: like three years.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just felt like, sorry, Vander. I mean, honestly, I

612
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Speaker 4: don't know. I know you're a busy man.

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Speaker 3: I don't even watch I can't even keep up with

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Speaker 3: all of the franchises anymore. But I have been watching

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00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: this season of Vander Pump Rules, and I mean, I

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00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: would argue with anyone it's not that compelling. If we

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00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: didn't have this huge shoe dropping, I don't think we

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Speaker 3: would be talking about a renewal of this season. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: She's wedding is coming, and you know, James Kennedy is

620
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: having a little meltdown or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But it's very boring.

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Speaker 3: But you keep watching because you're like, oh, I want

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Speaker 3: to see the signs, Like what was Tom and Raquel doing?

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Speaker 4: Were they getting close.

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Speaker 2: Where was this?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: Like, that's it.

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Speaker 3: That's the only reason I'm watching. There isn't any other

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Speaker 3: storyline here.

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