WEBVTT - Becoming Sofi Fowler: The Neovagina Episode 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.520 I think trans is beautiful because it's kind of magic. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.119 These things that we think are set in stone are 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:13.680 very kind of like fluid in the way and like changeable. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:33.840 At Janie, I'm okay, I'm tired. Yeah, I'm fucking I'm here, 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:39.360 but I'm really really excited for another episode of Beauty Translated. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:40.800 So excited. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.520 What have you been up to since last week's episode 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:44.159 came out. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.040 Since we recorded it, or since it came out? Because 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.720 I'm the chronology of my life is getting kind of 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.839 like fucked up. I feel like I'm in like a 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.000 Slaughterhouse five situation right. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.360 Now, where we're switching timelines a lot. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.960 I feel like my life is like, I don't know, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.440 one of those like rip off of pulp fiction movies 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.959 where there's like eight different stories happening at the same time. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.880 Well, Slaughterhouse five is very fitting just thematically for I've 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.000 never read it. I have no fucking clue what it's about. 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.720 Most of the references that you make, Janey, I just 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.679 nod and smile and hope that it's something gay that 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:23.240 I will get. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.880 Yeah, you can just use context loose for most of 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.360 the real I mean, that's what I'm doing with the 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.080 plot of Slaughterhouse five, which I haven't read. 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:38.280 I thought I assuming a trans woman getting her her vagina. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:40.319 Done, getting all five of her vaginas? 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.319 Is that not what Slaughterhouse five is about? 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.400 You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the bigger woman 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.920 here and admit I haven't read it, so probably I 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:53.800 don't know how to read. How about that? 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.280 Yeah, I'm trying to one up here. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.920 That's what we call that. I haven't been doing shit, Carmen. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:04.280 I work, and that's about it. I have anything exciting 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.520 right now. This is not a very exciting day for me. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.840 It's not an exciting time in general in the world. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.760 It's just kind of like, you know, it's January. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.000 It's January. It's fuck you, it's January. It's cold. It's 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:16.800 very cold. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.440 It is, which is sitting in a brass bra which. 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:23.720 You're getting a lot of mileage out of I am 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.280 always getting is absurd amount. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.800 If I had a sound I just want like a 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.919 soundboard and we can get a sound I could make 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.880 a soundboard. That would be one of my soundboard sounds. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.000 My other one I would want would be ship fire 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.720 and save matches. But it's got to be real country 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.440 like ship far and safe matches. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:46.480 I hate that. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.119 I like it, it's just fun. I don't like that 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.680 it's just fun to say. I don't like the old 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:57.640 Southern women saying ship that sounds gross. Was to light 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:02.160 the match off of the fart fire shipping file is absurd? 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:03.680 Ship fire, safe matches? 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:05.440 All right? You keep. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:09.919 Okay? Sorry? 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.240 Do you not have a silly little saying to contribute 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:12.960 to this mess? 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:15.119 A silly little saying before. 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.360 We let the guests take it away with our interview. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.200 I one of my favorite sayings is being like, this 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:25.280 is just like the plot of Slaughterhouse five. That's one 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:26.840 of my famous sayings. 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:28.880 What if her favoite Janie. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.920 She's always saying, She's always saying, this dinner is just 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:34.840 like the plot of Slaughterhouse fives. 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.160 Oh, this scrumptious dinner. It's just like the flow of 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.080 Slaughterhouse five. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.920 Well, Janie, thank you for entertaining me on that foray 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.560 into Carmenisms and jeneisms. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.880 I think, if I, if I remember correctly, we me 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.080 you and Sophie had we started this with one of 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.960 my It was a bit that was going through my 0:03:55.080 --> 0:04:00.400 head for a while. So if I may, Yeah, I may, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.920 because you normally do this, but if I may, for once, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:11.240 please introduce, please enjoy our interview with Sophie Fowler, friend 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.640 of the show. Awesome interview. We talk a lot about surgery, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.680 a topic that you know, I talk about David Cronenberg 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.400 a lot, but I don't actually talk about the specific 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.039 topic of surgery because it kind of freaks me out. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:26.159 So trigger warning if it freaks you out too. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.800 We're here today with our friend, Sophie Fowler. And Sophie 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.359 is a friend of the pod. She's a friend of 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:42.080 past guest Robin Danger, with no affiliation to Janey Danger whatsoever. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.560 I like her, though, I know, yeah, you two should 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.480 collad you two should collab. 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:48.920 I want to play a show with her one day. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.920 I just haven't found like that right, Yeah, I don't know, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.200 maybe like more of a festival thing, like something that 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.600 would fit more together. But yeah, shout out to her. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:57.080 She's cool. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:04:57.560 Yeah. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.800 And so Sophie's in your band is three women in 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:02.159 the band. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.799 So I'm in two bands, three Women in the Band 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.280 and then the Robin Chakedown Band with both with Robin. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.800 Is that a reference to the John Cassavetes movie Three 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:12.840 Women so. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:14.640 It's actually a Robert Altman movie. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.159 Oh that's right. Sorry, Oh yeah, that's her bag. Look 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.560 at me trying to I should have figured that was 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.480 Cassavetes for some reason. It has a similar vibe. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:24.920 Yeah, yeah, I. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.719 Think I used to confuse that. And also the movie Sisters, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.960 the Brian de Palmer movie, that's very different. 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.320 Yeah, everybody in this room has a letterbox account. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.280 Everybody, And that's the last one. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:35.360 That's the only one I see. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.640 Can you tell everybody? That occurs like a not a 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.480 movie person. So he's totally oblivious. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.640 Oh that sucks. 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:43.840 He's cycles. 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.040 So, Sophie, thank you for being with us here today. 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:51.599 And you reached out to me and you said and 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.640 I was very glad you did, of course, because you 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.120 said you wanted to come on and talk about your 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.080 recent bottom surgery that you just had. 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:58.560 Yeah. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:02.520 So I was just sitting in the hospital watching hours 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.640 and hours of vander Pump Rules and just like, you 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.280 know what, I want to talk about this experience of 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.720 I feel like a lot of people want bottom surgery, 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.080 but I want to, like, I don't want to sugarcoat it. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.920 It's not like an easy process. There's a lot of hurdles, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.680 you have to go through, lots of logistics you have 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.880 to figure out, but it's worth it in the end. Yeah. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.920 Yeah, So I'm excited to talk about it with you today, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.560 But I guess before we get into your story about 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.719 your surgery and how you got here and all of that, 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.560 do you want to tell us a little bit about 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.000 your journey and deciding you wanted to transition and then 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.640 deciding you wanted bottom surgery, Like, just tell us about 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:44.200 all of that. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.320 So basically, like a lot of people, the pandemic hit, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.359 I'm just sitting at home nothing to do for the 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.560 first time in like my whole life. I was not 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.039 going to school, i wasn't going to work. You know, 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:02.160 I'm just sitting at home and sitting with your thoughts 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.520 like that, and like not having to put up the performance. 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.400 You kind of just like it starts to deconstruct and 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.520 break down and then like it just was kind of revealed, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.680 like I got to do this, I got a transition. Yeah. 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.480 Well, so you are, and we've talked a lot about 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.560 it on the podcast in the past. You are a 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:27.679 part of the Great egg Cracking of twenty twenty, where 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.760 lots of people were in that same situation where they 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.360 were at home with their thoughts for the first time 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.240 and they realized like, oh, I haven't been living my 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.320 life like I want to. So you came to that 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.920 decision in twenty twenty. Wow, And I just have to say, like, 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.559 did you like get on the waiting list right away? 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:46.280 Was that? 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:48.080 So? Yeah? 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.720 That is kind of a short period of time. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.600 Because yeah, three, I mean, I'm not saying that that's an. 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:55.440 Yeah, no, not to be judgment. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.600 That's amazing, that's fantastic that you had the because even 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.400 I having transition for like fifteen whatever years now, haven't 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.200 haven't gotten there yet, And so it takes a lot 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.320 of dedication and like the hurdles you have, do you 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.480 want to talk about just like what the process of 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.920 even getting yourself to a consultation is, Like. 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:21.200 Yeah, so I basically just did a bunch of research, 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.800 looked up like every surgeon I could find on the internet, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.560 and the closest surgeon to Atlanta is in Nashville. Yeah, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.280 and I looked up this surgeon. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.480 a shame that Atlanta doesn't have somebody doing bottom surgery 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.400 at Vanderbilt University. At Vanderbilt in Nashville. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.640 We've talked about Tennessee a handful of times. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.000 We have talked about Tennessee a lot, and Sophia a 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.040 very hitler zone. Yeah, and Sophie and I actually we 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.319 have a little bit to talk about Tennessee if we can. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.520 I want to do a little a little flashback to 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.800 when we went to Nashville. But so you had your 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.640 bottom surgery there in Nashville, and that is what's crazy, Like, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:06.640 like during my consultation the same day in downtown Nashville, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.920 there was a protest organized I think by Matt Walsh, 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.280 friend of the show, end of the show, against like 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:22.600 Vanderbilt's bottom surgery, like the whole transgender surgeries that they 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.760 provide at Vanderbilt, right, right, So it was just like 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.600 the surreal thing. I'm seeing billboards advertising this protest as 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.079 I'm driving up my consultation. 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.959 Oh my god, Yeah they're baby killer. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:42.040 So yeah, that's like obviously crazy and intense. Like I 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.240 couldn't even imagine like pursuing, yeah, bottom sworgery in an 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.200 environment like that. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:48.280 But. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:55.840 I feel like I'd be a little like defiant about it, right, Yeah, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.240 I throw my balls at them when I leave. 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:02.320 I I've talked about in the past about how crazy 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.840 it is that Atlanta is in the South. Atlanta is 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:11.640 a hub for like gay and trans people essentially, but 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.840 there are no hospitals here that will allow surgeons to 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.160 perform bottom surgery exactly. Yeah, and so that's why there 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.640 are no there is no one providing bottom surgery here 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:28.120 in Georgia. Apparently Emory I've heard whatever. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.720 That's no, it wasn't allowed. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.839 It's not allowed, like none of the hospitals that are 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.840 here will allow surgeons to perform it because of like whatever. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:37.880 I don't fucking know. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:39.439 It's crazy. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.440 But so yeah, for those of you that don't know, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.320 like trans women in Atlanta and in lots of places 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.160 in the South, we do have to travel to be 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.880 able to have the surgery. So traveling is obviously one 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.760 hurdle that you have to overcome. But were you covering 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:55.679 this with insurance? 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.360 So it was kind of a complicated thing to get 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.240 like the entry parents sorted out because it's out of state, 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.880 so that was kind of a complex thing just dealing 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.199 with that and then calling the hospital and the clinic 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.559 and everything, and just making phone calls after phone calls 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.800 to sort things out. And unfortunately I spent one extra 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.920 night in the hospital. I prepaid for surgery, got insurance, whatever. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.520 But my last night I was about to be discharged 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.760 and I had a fever that night, so they kept 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.080 me an extra day and I got a bill yesterday 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.360 for the one extra night in the hospital one hundred 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:40.440 and twenty two thousand dollars. Oh my god. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:45.120 Absolutely insane. Wow, but yes, absolutely, just. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.760 Signal translated to just don't. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:48.400 I've been doing it. 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:51.960 Why did you don't? They're not? What are they going 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.120 to break your legs? I will have to go back 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:54.480 with off. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.920 They're gonna like you know, do They're going to do 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:05.000 a fallow plastic see yeah, repo the Genetic Pussy Opera. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:06.280 Sorry, that's a really deep cut. 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.400 I love that, I go That movie has been on 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.560 my watch list. So you've never seen it? I have, no. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.439 I love it. It's so corny. I love it. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.440 I used to like watch it a lot, and I 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:17.840 like know I was very corny anyway. 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:19.320 Got such a fag. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.240 I know Paris Helton's in that movie though, Oh my god. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.800 Yes, Neil Patrick Harrows right, No, the guy who plays 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.280 one of the doctors from Doctor Who is in it. 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.600 I think, does doctor who do bottom surgery, you know 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.559 he should go around Turf Islands? 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:39.640 Yeah? 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.240 Actually so yeah, let's okay. So you have to travel 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.360 to Nashville and just even just getting the letters, there's 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:48.440 two letters you have to get. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.839 Yes, So I have a therapist in Atlanta. I went 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.040 to him. He wrote a letter. I've been seeing him 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.040 since my I started my transition. Then I had to 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.840 drive to Chattanooga to be in the state of Tennessee 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:07.320 to do a video call with Vanderbilt's Behavioral Health Clinic 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.040 to get my second letter. Okay, so I pulled into 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.520 a Chick fil A right across the border. There's a 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.200 Chick fil A pulled into the Chick fil A parking lot, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.440 use their Wi Fi to get my second letter. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:21.720 That's fabulous. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:22.000 Wow. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.080 And so when did you begin the whole process if 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.800 you had to say, like when did the whole process 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.320 from like consultation to having your surgery? You just had 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:32.480 your surgery? What a month ago? 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.800 Now? Four weeks ago today? Yeah? 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.280 Congratulations, thanks, congratulations. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:42.000 So actually my first consultation was last October, so it 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.080 has been it was about a year. A lot of 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:51.880 that was like nine months of hair removal, getting laser, electrolysis, organizing, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.520 making sure I have like accommodations, making sure like I 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.200 have a friend that's going to be in the hospital 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.680 with me, my parents came up, just organizing all that 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.240 right logistically. Yeah. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.079 And so that waiting period, I mean, obviously you're doing 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.280 a lot of work, and I'm thinking about my I'm 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.880 in my own waiting right now, my own limbo right now. 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.480 How was that process for you? Was it agonizing? 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.480 There was moments I've kind of like doubt, like, am 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.560 I just rushing this? Am I doing this too fast? 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.320 But the fact that I've been like thinking about this 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.760 for three years and like going through the pain of 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:35.560 like laser and electrolysis, just sitting there like while somebody's 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:40.640 like electrocuting, you know, your your private party, each individual 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.160 hair follicle. Yeah, yeah, you know, you have a lot 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.040 of time to think there. And if you can make 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.800 it through that, I think you're dedicated enough, right exactly. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.720 Yeah, why do they have to do laser on your 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.960 genitals before? And I just I don't understand. 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:04.640 So I had the penile incision, so basically they just 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:05.920 flip it inside out. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.200 I think I get a so you don't want hair 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:14.040 inside of you. It's like an we all hate having 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:14.840 an in grown hair. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.480 Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, if you and we can 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.200 talk about that too. I mean, most surgeons in the 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.200 US are going to require that you have a laser 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.800 or an electrolysis and like a specific area in your 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.960 genital so that inside the vagina no hair is going 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:36.000 to grow. There are some surgeons too, It's harder to 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.680 find in the US, but it's very popular in Thailand 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.440 where they'll do follicular scraping in surgery. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.160 So my surgeon actually did that for most Like he 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:53.680 specified like certain areas I have to do electrolysis, everything else, he. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.600 Did follicular scraping. That's beautiful. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:56.240 I love that. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.720 So you didn't even have to do like as much 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.360 as you might have had to have done. What is 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:09.720 vellicular scrapings, Like it's a surgical techniccalating, Yeah, yeah, it's 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.240 a surgical technique where when they are performing surgery on 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.480 those two like they have the tissues outside of the 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:19.160 body and they literally are below like the top layer 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.520 of the skin, and they're scraping away the follicles and 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.320 killing the follicles so that it's tissue without a very 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.760 hardcore Yeah, it's like tissue without a follicle so that 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.840 it'll be completely hairless, which is what electrolysis does. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.760 But it, uh, you know, it's like each individual hair. Yeah, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.960 unless they're just like taking that chainsaw and just sh. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.320 Yeah, like like mowing the grass, like when you put 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:46.960 the mower to like the lowest setting. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:48.239 Yeah. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.560 Yeah, so that's one on one about not having hair 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:57.960 in your vagina. Yeah. So yeah, the process took about 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.480 a year from the time you had your concation to 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.400 the time that you had surgery. And when did you know, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:05.120 when did you even have a date? 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.600 Probably I would say I got my date and maybe 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.320 August or so. Yeah, so about two and a half 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.760 months out. Okay, Yeah, so that whole time you're preparing 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.879 your don't really know when it's going to happen, but 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.359 you know it's going to happen. I had, like said 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.960 sometime in October, and then they came back to dates 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.520 October twenty fourth or the Friday the thirteenth, or. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.800 Did you do it on thirteen? 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.520 I did it on the twenty fourth. Spooky for me. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.679 I'm not a superstitious person, but getting your pussy on 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.679 Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I should get a pizza, but 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.600 I don't know if I want to order my pussy though. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.840 Sophie texted the group chat, should I get my pussy 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.639 on brid and I was like, no, absolutely, absolutely not, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.520 it can wait until the twenty fourth. 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.120 Yes, you get a tattoo on Friday the wee Yes, yeah. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.080 But thirteen dollars exactly. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.040 So I'm glad something you'll probably regret more than getting 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.160 your genitals removed. 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:10.720 And right, oh yeah, I loved it when you sent 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:16.360 us a screenshot of the surgical rundown. Essentially, it was like. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.680 Like it was looked like a hardcore emo punk fan lineup. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.600 It was like, yeah, it was like like a poster 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.080 for like like like a black model there. Yeah, ripping 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.520 out the follicles, flipping in the pen. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.720 Amputation, pen islan version or chay ectomy like all of that. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:37.240 Yeah, that's dope. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.800 So we went to Nashville before your surgery, which was 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.880 a lot of fun. We went to see Ethel Caine. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:55.720 I knew, ye, Yes, we went to see Ethel Cain 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.840 with who who was she playing with? Karmel? 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.000 I think her name was Caroline Puli Check pulp to 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.000 check though before. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.000 Oh my god, I'm going to kill both of you. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.200 Why why didn't you just stay for her? You went 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.320 all the way to Nashville. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.560 I don't know why didn't we I think we want 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.560 to go to lesbian bar? We did? 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:19.840 We didn't. You're not even a lesbian. 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:26.040 I have fun? Yeah, May got May was flirting a 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:26.440 little bit. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.440 Oh yeah, we got hit on it. Then the second 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.639 we told the girl we were trans, she was like, 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.879 all of a sudden, just like not interested. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.280 Didn't you have May on the show? Yes, the first 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.240 time we ever met. She like was hitting on me 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.000 like instantly, and. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:41.960 Yeah, you made out? 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:44.440 Yes, I think I think we did. She's I think 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.960 she says that it's very possible we did. I don't 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.760 remember all I remember. Let's just say we did, but 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.600 I remember I was. I had to walk my friend 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.600 of the car because she was really drunk, and she 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:58.160 was like, are you coming back? 0:19:58.240 --> 0:19:59.680 Oh my god, I'm back. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.080 And then I came back and she's like like scream 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:09.080 sobbing to my friend like student. I was like, all right, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.080 I'm just gonna go. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.760 That sounds like make halloway for us. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.479 Yeah, hell yeah, I think it's a funny story, one 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.000 of the most lesbian stories you can think of. 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.520 She has a lot of sapphic yearning for a girl 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:23.800 who is straight. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.240 I sexual. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.359 No, that's that's a very good way to describe me too. 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:33.320 She totally called herself bisexual at the Lesbian. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.840 Bar and I've killed me. Oh my god. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.720 I was like, Wow, that's the first time you've ever 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.359 told anyone you're bisexual before, mate. 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.560 It is a big coming out moment. Yeah, at the 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.080 at the lesbian bar. But yeah. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.359 We went to Nashville to see Ethel Caine, which was 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.720 kind of fun because it was sort of like a, oh, 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.480 I'm going to be coming here in a few months, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.080 you know. For Sophie, it was sort of like a 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.320 it was a fun girls trip, you know, the three 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:57.399 of us, me, you and may I know. 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.000 It's a it's I've like had to travel to Nashville 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.920 like five times in the past year just for consultations 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.000 and follow ups, so it's become kind of like us 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.240 and I lived there for three months a couple of 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.160 years ago, so it's kind of become like the special 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.640