Speaker 1: I think trans is beautiful because it's kind of magic.
Speaker 1: These things that we think are set in stone are
Speaker 1: very kind of like fluid in the way and like changeable.
Speaker 2: At Janie, I'm okay, I'm tired. Yeah, I'm fucking I'm here,
Speaker 2: but I'm really really excited for another episode of Beauty Translated.
Speaker 3: So excited.
Speaker 2: What have you been up to since last week's episode
Speaker 2: came out.
Speaker 3: Since we recorded it, or since it came out? Because
Speaker 3: I'm the chronology of my life is getting kind of
Speaker 3: like fucked up. I feel like I'm in like a
Speaker 3: Slaughterhouse five situation right.
Speaker 2: Now, where we're switching timelines a lot.
Speaker 3: I feel like my life is like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: one of those like rip off of pulp fiction movies
Speaker 3: where there's like eight different stories happening at the same time.
Speaker 2: Well, Slaughterhouse five is very fitting just thematically for I've
Speaker 2: never read it. I have no fucking clue what it's about.
Speaker 2: Most of the references that you make, Janey, I just
Speaker 2: nod and smile and hope that it's something gay that
Speaker 2: I will get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just use context loose for most of
Speaker 3: the real I mean, that's what I'm doing with the
Speaker 3: plot of Slaughterhouse five, which I haven't read.
Speaker 2: I thought I assuming a trans woman getting her her vagina.
Speaker 3: Done, getting all five of her vaginas?
Speaker 2: Is that not what Slaughterhouse five is about?
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the bigger woman
Speaker 3: here and admit I haven't read it, so probably I
Speaker 3: don't know how to read. How about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to one up here.
Speaker 3: That's what we call that. I haven't been doing shit, Carmen.
Speaker 3: I work, and that's about it. I have anything exciting
Speaker 3: right now. This is not a very exciting day for me.
Speaker 2: It's not an exciting time in general in the world.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, you know, it's January.
Speaker 3: It's January. It's fuck you, it's January. It's cold. It's
Speaker 3: very cold.
Speaker 2: It is, which is sitting in a brass bra which.
Speaker 3: You're getting a lot of mileage out of I am
Speaker 3: always getting is absurd amount.
Speaker 2: If I had a sound I just want like a
Speaker 2: soundboard and we can get a sound I could make
Speaker 2: a soundboard. That would be one of my soundboard sounds.
Speaker 2: My other one I would want would be ship fire
Speaker 2: and save matches. But it's got to be real country
Speaker 2: like ship far and safe matches.
Speaker 1: I hate that.
Speaker 3: I like it, it's just fun. I don't like that
Speaker 3: it's just fun to say. I don't like the old
Speaker 3: Southern women saying ship that sounds gross. Was to light
Speaker 3: the match off of the fart fire shipping file is absurd?
Speaker 2: Ship fire, safe matches?
Speaker 3: All right? You keep.
Speaker 1: Okay? Sorry?
Speaker 2: Do you not have a silly little saying to contribute
Speaker 2: to this mess?
Speaker 3: A silly little saying before.
Speaker 2: We let the guests take it away with our interview.
Speaker 3: I one of my favorite sayings is being like, this
Speaker 3: is just like the plot of Slaughterhouse five. That's one
Speaker 3: of my famous sayings.
Speaker 1: What if her favoite Janie.
Speaker 2: She's always saying, She's always saying, this dinner is just
Speaker 2: like the plot of Slaughterhouse fives.
Speaker 3: Oh, this scrumptious dinner. It's just like the flow of
Speaker 3: Slaughterhouse five.
Speaker 2: Well, Janie, thank you for entertaining me on that foray
Speaker 2: into Carmenisms and jeneisms.
Speaker 3: I think, if I, if I remember correctly, we me
Speaker 3: you and Sophie had we started this with one of
Speaker 3: my It was a bit that was going through my
Speaker 3: head for a while. So if I may, Yeah, I may,
Speaker 3: because you normally do this, but if I may, for once,
Speaker 3: please introduce, please enjoy our interview with Sophie Fowler, friend
Speaker 3: of the show. Awesome interview. We talk a lot about surgery,
Speaker 3: a topic that you know, I talk about David Cronenberg
Speaker 3: a lot, but I don't actually talk about the specific
Speaker 3: topic of surgery because it kind of freaks me out.
Speaker 3: So trigger warning if it freaks you out too.
Speaker 2: We're here today with our friend, Sophie Fowler. And Sophie
Speaker 2: is a friend of the pod. She's a friend of
Speaker 2: past guest Robin Danger, with no affiliation to Janey Danger whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I like her, though, I know, yeah, you two should
Speaker 2: collad you two should collab.
Speaker 3: I want to play a show with her one day.
Speaker 3: I just haven't found like that right, Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe like more of a festival thing, like something that
Speaker 3: would fit more together. But yeah, shout out to her.
Speaker 3: She's cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so Sophie's in your band is three women in
Speaker 2: the band.
Speaker 1: So I'm in two bands, three Women in the Band
Speaker 1: and then the Robin Chakedown Band with both with Robin.
Speaker 3: Is that a reference to the John Cassavetes movie Three
Speaker 3: Women so.
Speaker 1: It's actually a Robert Altman movie.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Sorry, Oh yeah, that's her bag. Look
Speaker 3: at me trying to I should have figured that was
Speaker 3: Cassavetes for some reason. It has a similar vibe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think I used to confuse that. And also the movie Sisters,
Speaker 3: the Brian de Palmer movie, that's very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody in this room has a letterbox account.
Speaker 1: Everybody, And that's the last one.
Speaker 3: That's the only one I see.
Speaker 2: Can you tell everybody? That occurs like a not a
Speaker 2: movie person. So he's totally oblivious.
Speaker 3: Oh that sucks.
Speaker 1: He's cycles.
Speaker 2: So, Sophie, thank you for being with us here today.
Speaker 2: And you reached out to me and you said and
Speaker 2: I was very glad you did, of course, because you
Speaker 2: said you wanted to come on and talk about your
Speaker 2: recent bottom surgery that you just had.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was just sitting in the hospital watching hours
Speaker 1: and hours of vander Pump Rules and just like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I want to talk about this experience of
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people want bottom surgery,
Speaker 1: but I want to, like, I don't want to sugarcoat it.
Speaker 1: It's not like an easy process. There's a lot of hurdles,
Speaker 1: you have to go through, lots of logistics you have
Speaker 1: to figure out, but it's worth it in the end. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm excited to talk about it with you today,
Speaker 2: But I guess before we get into your story about
Speaker 2: your surgery and how you got here and all of that,
Speaker 2: do you want to tell us a little bit about
Speaker 2: your journey and deciding you wanted to transition and then
Speaker 2: deciding you wanted bottom surgery, Like, just tell us about
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 1: So basically, like a lot of people, the pandemic hit,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting at home nothing to do for the
Speaker 1: first time in like my whole life. I was not
Speaker 1: going to school, i wasn't going to work. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting at home and sitting with your thoughts
Speaker 1: like that, and like not having to put up the performance.
Speaker 1: You kind of just like it starts to deconstruct and
Speaker 1: break down and then like it just was kind of revealed,
Speaker 1: like I got to do this, I got a transition. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, so you are, and we've talked a lot about
Speaker 2: it on the podcast in the past. You are a
Speaker 2: part of the Great egg Cracking of twenty twenty, where
Speaker 2: lots of people were in that same situation where they
Speaker 2: were at home with their thoughts for the first time
Speaker 2: and they realized like, oh, I haven't been living my
Speaker 2: life like I want to. So you came to that
Speaker 2: decision in twenty twenty. Wow, And I just have to say, like,
Speaker 2: did you like get on the waiting list right away?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 5: So? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That is kind of a short period of time.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, three, I mean, I'm not saying that that's an.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, not to be judgment.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, that's fantastic that you had the because even
Speaker 2: I having transition for like fifteen whatever years now, haven't
Speaker 2: haven't gotten there yet, And so it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of dedication and like the hurdles you have, do you
Speaker 2: want to talk about just like what the process of
Speaker 2: even getting yourself to a consultation is, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I basically just did a bunch of research,
Speaker 1: looked up like every surgeon I could find on the internet,
Speaker 1: and the closest surgeon to Atlanta is in Nashville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I looked up this surgeon. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's
Speaker 1: a shame that Atlanta doesn't have somebody doing bottom surgery
Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt University. At Vanderbilt in Nashville.
Speaker 3: We've talked about Tennessee a handful of times.
Speaker 2: We have talked about Tennessee a lot, and Sophia a
Speaker 2: very hitler zone. Yeah, and Sophie and I actually we
Speaker 2: have a little bit to talk about Tennessee if we can.
Speaker 2: I want to do a little a little flashback to
Speaker 2: when we went to Nashville. But so you had your
Speaker 2: bottom surgery there in Nashville, and that is what's crazy, Like,
Speaker 2: like during my consultation the same day in downtown Nashville,
Speaker 2: there was a protest organized I think by Matt Walsh,
Speaker 2: friend of the show, end of the show, against like
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt's bottom surgery, like the whole transgender surgeries that they
Speaker 2: provide at Vanderbilt, right, right, So it was just like
Speaker 2: the surreal thing. I'm seeing billboards advertising this protest as
Speaker 2: I'm driving up my consultation.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah they're baby killer.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's like obviously crazy and intense. Like I
Speaker 2: couldn't even imagine like pursuing, yeah, bottom sworgery in an
Speaker 2: environment like that.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'd be a little like defiant about it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I throw my balls at them when I leave.
Speaker 2: I I've talked about in the past about how crazy
Speaker 2: it is that Atlanta is in the South. Atlanta is
Speaker 2: a hub for like gay and trans people essentially, but
Speaker 2: there are no hospitals here that will allow surgeons to
Speaker 2: perform bottom surgery exactly. Yeah, and so that's why there
Speaker 2: are no there is no one providing bottom surgery here
Speaker 2: in Georgia. Apparently Emory I've heard whatever.
Speaker 3: That's no, it wasn't allowed.
Speaker 2: It's not allowed, like none of the hospitals that are
Speaker 2: here will allow surgeons to perform it because of like whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: But so yeah, for those of you that don't know,
Speaker 2: like trans women in Atlanta and in lots of places
Speaker 2: in the South, we do have to travel to be
Speaker 2: able to have the surgery. So traveling is obviously one
Speaker 2: hurdle that you have to overcome. But were you covering
Speaker 2: this with insurance?
Speaker 1: So it was kind of a complicated thing to get
Speaker 1: like the entry parents sorted out because it's out of state,
Speaker 1: so that was kind of a complex thing just dealing
Speaker 1: with that and then calling the hospital and the clinic
Speaker 1: and everything, and just making phone calls after phone calls
Speaker 1: to sort things out. And unfortunately I spent one extra
Speaker 1: night in the hospital. I prepaid for surgery, got insurance, whatever.
Speaker 1: But my last night I was about to be discharged
Speaker 1: and I had a fever that night, so they kept
Speaker 1: me an extra day and I got a bill yesterday
Speaker 1: for the one extra night in the hospital one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two thousand dollars. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Absolutely insane. Wow, but yes, absolutely, just.
Speaker 3: Signal translated to just don't.
Speaker 1: I've been doing it.
Speaker 3: Why did you don't? They're not? What are they going
Speaker 3: to break your legs? I will have to go back
Speaker 3: with off.
Speaker 1: They're gonna like you know, do They're going to do
Speaker 1: a fallow plastic see yeah, repo the Genetic Pussy Opera.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's a really deep cut.
Speaker 1: I love that, I go That movie has been on
Speaker 1: my watch list. So you've never seen it? I have, no.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's so corny. I love it.
Speaker 2: I used to like watch it a lot, and I
Speaker 2: like know I was very corny anyway.
Speaker 3: Got such a fag.
Speaker 1: I know Paris Helton's in that movie though, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yes, Neil Patrick Harrows right, No, the guy who plays
Speaker 3: one of the doctors from Doctor Who is in it.
Speaker 3: I think, does doctor who do bottom surgery, you know
Speaker 3: he should go around Turf Islands?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Actually so yeah, let's okay. So you have to travel
Speaker 2: to Nashville and just even just getting the letters, there's
Speaker 2: two letters you have to get.
Speaker 1: Yes, So I have a therapist in Atlanta. I went
Speaker 1: to him. He wrote a letter. I've been seeing him
Speaker 1: since my I started my transition. Then I had to
Speaker 1: drive to Chattanooga to be in the state of Tennessee
Speaker 1: to do a video call with Vanderbilt's Behavioral Health Clinic
Speaker 1: to get my second letter. Okay, so I pulled into
Speaker 1: a Chick fil A right across the border. There's a
Speaker 1: Chick fil A pulled into the Chick fil A parking lot,
Speaker 1: use their Wi Fi to get my second letter.
Speaker 2: That's fabulous.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so when did you begin the whole process if
Speaker 2: you had to say, like when did the whole process
Speaker 2: from like consultation to having your surgery? You just had
Speaker 2: your surgery? What a month ago?
Speaker 1: Now? Four weeks ago today? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Congratulations, thanks, congratulations.
Speaker 1: So actually my first consultation was last October, so it
Speaker 1: has been it was about a year. A lot of
Speaker 1: that was like nine months of hair removal, getting laser, electrolysis, organizing,
Speaker 1: making sure I have like accommodations, making sure like I
Speaker 1: have a friend that's going to be in the hospital
Speaker 1: with me, my parents came up, just organizing all that
Speaker 1: right logistically. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so that waiting period, I mean, obviously you're doing
Speaker 2: a lot of work, and I'm thinking about my I'm
Speaker 2: in my own waiting right now, my own limbo right now.
Speaker 2: How was that process for you? Was it agonizing?
Speaker 1: There was moments I've kind of like doubt, like, am
Speaker 1: I just rushing this? Am I doing this too fast?
Speaker 1: But the fact that I've been like thinking about this
Speaker 1: for three years and like going through the pain of
Speaker 1: like laser and electrolysis, just sitting there like while somebody's
Speaker 1: like electrocuting, you know, your your private party, each individual
Speaker 1: hair follicle. Yeah, yeah, you know, you have a lot
Speaker 1: of time to think there. And if you can make
Speaker 1: it through that, I think you're dedicated enough, right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why do they have to do laser on your
Speaker 3: genitals before? And I just I don't understand.
Speaker 1: So I had the penile incision, so basically they just
Speaker 1: flip it inside out.
Speaker 3: I think I get a so you don't want hair
Speaker 3: inside of you. It's like an we all hate having
Speaker 3: an in grown hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so yeah, if you and we can
Speaker 2: talk about that too. I mean, most surgeons in the
Speaker 2: US are going to require that you have a laser
Speaker 2: or an electrolysis and like a specific area in your
Speaker 2: genital so that inside the vagina no hair is going
Speaker 2: to grow. There are some surgeons too, It's harder to
Speaker 2: find in the US, but it's very popular in Thailand
Speaker 2: where they'll do follicular scraping in surgery.
Speaker 1: So my surgeon actually did that for most Like he
Speaker 1: specified like certain areas I have to do electrolysis, everything else, he.
Speaker 2: Did follicular scraping. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: So you didn't even have to do like as much
Speaker 2: as you might have had to have done. What is
Speaker 2: vellicular scrapings, Like it's a surgical techniccalating, Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a surgical technique where when they are performing surgery on
Speaker 2: those two like they have the tissues outside of the
Speaker 2: body and they literally are below like the top layer
Speaker 2: of the skin, and they're scraping away the follicles and
Speaker 2: killing the follicles so that it's tissue without a very
Speaker 2: hardcore Yeah, it's like tissue without a follicle so that
Speaker 2: it'll be completely hairless, which is what electrolysis does.
Speaker 1: But it, uh, you know, it's like each individual hair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless they're just like taking that chainsaw and just sh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like like mowing the grass, like when you put
Speaker 3: the mower to like the lowest setting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's one on one about not having hair
Speaker 2: in your vagina. Yeah. So yeah, the process took about
Speaker 2: a year from the time you had your concation to
Speaker 2: the time that you had surgery. And when did you know,
Speaker 2: when did you even have a date?
Speaker 1: Probably I would say I got my date and maybe
Speaker 1: August or so. Yeah, so about two and a half
Speaker 1: months out. Okay, Yeah, so that whole time you're preparing
Speaker 1: your don't really know when it's going to happen, but
Speaker 1: you know it's going to happen. I had, like said
Speaker 1: sometime in October, and then they came back to dates
Speaker 1: October twenty fourth or the Friday the thirteenth, or.
Speaker 3: Did you do it on thirteen?
Speaker 1: I did it on the twenty fourth. Spooky for me.
Speaker 3: I'm not a superstitious person, but getting your pussy on
Speaker 3: Friday the thirteenth. Yeah, I should get a pizza, but
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to order my pussy though.
Speaker 2: Sophie texted the group chat, should I get my pussy
Speaker 2: on brid and I was like, no, absolutely, absolutely not,
Speaker 2: it can wait until the twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: Yes, you get a tattoo on Friday the wee Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: But thirteen dollars exactly.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad something you'll probably regret more than getting
Speaker 3: your genitals removed.
Speaker 2: And right, oh yeah, I loved it when you sent
Speaker 2: us a screenshot of the surgical rundown. Essentially, it was like.
Speaker 1: Like it was looked like a hardcore emo punk fan lineup.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, it was like like a poster
Speaker 3: for like like like a black model there. Yeah, ripping
Speaker 3: out the follicles, flipping in the pen.
Speaker 1: Amputation, pen islan version or chay ectomy like all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dope.
Speaker 2: So we went to Nashville before your surgery, which was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. We went to see Ethel Caine.
Speaker 3: I knew, ye, Yes, we went to see Ethel Cain
Speaker 3: with who who was she playing with? Karmel?
Speaker 2: I think her name was Caroline Puli Check pulp to
Speaker 2: check though before.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm going to kill both of you.
Speaker 3: Why why didn't you just stay for her? You went
Speaker 3: all the way to Nashville.
Speaker 1: I don't know why didn't we I think we want
Speaker 1: to go to lesbian bar? We did?
Speaker 3: We didn't. You're not even a lesbian.
Speaker 1: I have fun? Yeah, May got May was flirting a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we got hit on it. Then the second
Speaker 2: we told the girl we were trans, she was like,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, just like not interested.
Speaker 3: Didn't you have May on the show? Yes, the first
Speaker 3: time we ever met. She like was hitting on me
Speaker 3: like instantly, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you made out?
Speaker 3: Yes, I think I think we did. She's I think
Speaker 3: she says that it's very possible we did. I don't
Speaker 3: remember all I remember. Let's just say we did, but
Speaker 3: I remember I was. I had to walk my friend
Speaker 3: of the car because she was really drunk, and she
Speaker 3: was like, are you coming back?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm back.
Speaker 3: And then I came back and she's like like scream
Speaker 3: sobbing to my friend like student. I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go.
Speaker 1: That sounds like make halloway for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hell yeah, I think it's a funny story, one
Speaker 3: of the most lesbian stories you can think of.
Speaker 2: She has a lot of sapphic yearning for a girl
Speaker 2: who is straight.
Speaker 1: I sexual.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's a very good way to describe me too.
Speaker 2: She totally called herself bisexual at the Lesbian.
Speaker 1: Bar and I've killed me. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that's the first time you've ever
Speaker 2: told anyone you're bisexual before, mate.
Speaker 1: It is a big coming out moment. Yeah, at the
Speaker 1: at the lesbian bar. But yeah.
Speaker 2: We went to Nashville to see Ethel Caine, which was
Speaker 2: kind of fun because it was sort of like a, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be coming here in a few months,
Speaker 2: you know. For Sophie, it was sort of like a
Speaker 2: it was a fun girls trip, you know, the three
Speaker 2: of us, me, you and may I know.
Speaker 1: It's a it's I've like had to travel to Nashville
Speaker 1: like five times in the past year just for consultations
Speaker 1: and follow ups, so it's become kind of like us
Speaker 1: and I lived there for three months a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, so it's kind of become like the special
Speaker 1: place I have. My favorite vegan restaurant is there.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My favorite movie is Nashville set there.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. We went to the Parthenon. Yes, that
Speaker 2: was so much fun. But yeah, like Nashville is a
Speaker 2: really special city. I like it a lot too. And
Speaker 2: you've got me wanting to get bottom surgery in Nashville. Vanderbilt,
Speaker 2: let's just talk about for a minute. So when Matt
Speaker 2: Walsh was there protesting blah blah blah blah blah. I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what the story is, but Vanderbilt they
Speaker 2: just like gave over like a whole registry of people.
Speaker 1: What is that about. Yeah, so basically I don't know
Speaker 1: the full how it works. But now that I've had
Speaker 1: bottom surgery, you're on a round Nashville, the state of Tennessee.
Speaker 1: Nor Billy he like has my name and the dress
Speaker 1: and you're pussy has like a little barcode inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's got a binder full of women Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of scary to think about. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're joking about it, but like it's scary to think
Speaker 2: about the fact that like they've just like given over
Speaker 2: without even like needing to be subpoenaed. Uh, they just
Speaker 2: so like here, here's everyone, We've ever given a sex
Speaker 2: change at our hospital before.
Speaker 3: We We've talked about this a few times on the
Speaker 3: show before too, but like it is very like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, it is very scary how much especially this year,
Speaker 3: Like we talked about this during like the Pride and
Speaker 3: like how like weird and.
Speaker 1: The targets were being bombed, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just how much people capitulated to right wing psychopaths,
Speaker 3: whether it was like you know, bud Light with Dila
Speaker 3: Molvany or Target being like so we moved our Pride
Speaker 3: section to get it away from normal people so you
Speaker 3: don't have to see that yucky that yucky ship.
Speaker 1: They've got it. It's like the old movie Rentals story, right,
Speaker 1: the gay Right, you know.
Speaker 3: I went and the target I was. I was in
Speaker 3: there like like like the meme of the game Dune,
Speaker 3: like where's the Pride section? But I went, I was like,
Speaker 3: where's where's the tucking underwear? I couldn't find it. I'll
Speaker 3: find the the tucking underwear for children, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the one that couldn't find it for adults either,
Speaker 2: for eighteen month olds. Yeah right, that's so that's I know.
Speaker 2: It was insane and I actually avoided Target that entire
Speaker 2: month and now they have the gay Nutcracker they do,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 3: The Nutcracker has always been a little fruity. Let's be real.
Speaker 3: He was black Nutcracker. The Nutcracker.
Speaker 1: Come on, I call my surgeon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, let's get back more into the surgery.
Speaker 2: Let's talk more about the surgery. So you had your surgery.
Speaker 2: I was October twenty first. That was twenty fourth, twenty four,
Speaker 2: twenty fourth, that's ritten.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the day before, me and my best friend
Speaker 1: we drove up to Nashville, got a hotel just kind
Speaker 1: of like hung out. And it was a tough day
Speaker 1: because you have to take bowel prep. They you know,
Speaker 1: want you all cleared up. So we're in the hotel room.
Speaker 1: I am just like shitting my brains out. Everything's coming out.
Speaker 1: I'd fasted for like two days, and we're watching the
Speaker 1: Notebook and I can see it from the toilet of
Speaker 1: crying and like from the movie. So it was it
Speaker 1: was an emotional day, I.
Speaker 2: Can say have I mean, I would have probably passed
Speaker 2: out if I didn't get to eat for two days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I did eat some broth of miso soup.
Speaker 1: Didn't get to eat the little tofu bits though. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so did you have to discontinue your estrogen and
Speaker 1: stuff or is that for two days before and then
Speaker 1: the whole time I was in the hospital. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I was in the hospital eight days.
Speaker 3: I thought it was I mean, this could be like
Speaker 3: an antiquated thing. But I thought that like for surgery,
Speaker 3: you have to, like like my friends Olivia had to
Speaker 3: like stop estrogen for like a month before her like
Speaker 3: breast augmentation.
Speaker 1: That was my fear, and I like reached out to
Speaker 1: my surgeon and asked, and I guess it's kind of
Speaker 1: an antiquated thing, but there's it's a blood thinner kind
Speaker 1: of thing or plants or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I guess they've determined I think, yeah, it's like an
Speaker 2: antiquated thing, and like more recently they've stopped doing it
Speaker 2: for as long because I think that they've determined that
Speaker 2: it's like more detrimental for you to be like completely
Speaker 2: hormonally imbalanced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's kind of what I would think. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to tell. With a lot of like
Speaker 3: trans healthcare, what like is like a sensible like precaution
Speaker 3: or like measure and what is just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: like doctors being like too lazy to like actually figure
Speaker 3: out like what the best thing for a trans person
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like still have the mentality it's like the nineties,
Speaker 1: yeah something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's for someone like me. It's hard for me
Speaker 3: to like like find what's like valuable information because like
Speaker 3: I don't want to trust like a medical system that
Speaker 3: doesn't like, you know, fully understand my needs. And I
Speaker 3: also don't want to just trust like autistic furries on
Speaker 3: the Internet.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I did a lot of like research. I've looked
Speaker 1: at a bunch of like subreddits like of hearing different
Speaker 1: people's surgery journeys and like and the lead up to
Speaker 1: it and after surgery, just looking up what to expect.
Speaker 1: But and it was just everything was different some people.
Speaker 1: I was back to work in like six days, and
Speaker 1: some people are like, oh, I've been in bed bound
Speaker 1: for two years. Yeah, so you just you don't know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I mean that. I mean you can
Speaker 2: literally go on to Reddit and you can type in
Speaker 2: the name of any surgeon onto Reddit and you will
Speaker 2: find people talking about their experiences, sharing photos, you know,
Speaker 2: answering questions about their experiences with that particular surgeon. And
Speaker 2: if you can't, that's probably like I don't know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: There's like some trans women that talk about these surgeons
Speaker 3: like they're like NBA players.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like the celebrity surgeons. There's like the famous ones,
Speaker 1: like just saying their name.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, yeah, I've never looked up a surgeon
Speaker 3: because I'm like too. I mean, for one, I don't
Speaker 3: really know if I want SRS that much. And also
Speaker 3: I'm just way too poor to afford like a breast
Speaker 3: augmentation or anything right now, so I just haven't even.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean for breast dog. For breast dog,
Speaker 2: you can really have anyone do that, But for like
Speaker 2: FFS and like Pussie, you really want to know who you're.
Speaker 3: Yes, see, I don't know if I would ever get
Speaker 3: I would maybe get like a nose job, but mostly
Speaker 3: just like fix my divia. It's up them. But that's
Speaker 3: another thing for another day.
Speaker 2: Well, so you had to completely empty out your bowels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, where you want to.
Speaker 2: We had to completely empty out your bowels so that
Speaker 2: you could be prepared for surgery in two days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I get to the hospital Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: five am, just like the anxiety there, just waiting and waiting.
Speaker 1: They pulled me back to the back room. Then they
Speaker 1: give me some I believe vaaluumra. Yes. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was really nice. I love that. And then like fifteen
Speaker 1: different people come into like the room and start checking
Speaker 1: on you, checking out me, like they're part of the
Speaker 1: surgical team. So I learned that the surgeon he has
Speaker 1: a whole surgical team, so he's not doing the entire surgery.
Speaker 1: There's like six seven different doctors in the room that
Speaker 1: are either observing or kind of learning, which is nice
Speaker 1: because then hopefully that means there will be more surgeons
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 3: That's like a pussy workshop. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well so then once you went back, you knocked out.
Speaker 2: You woke up like you'd never been asleep.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like I just had this
Speaker 1: ten minute, very visceral dream. And then I'm like talking
Speaker 1: to the anesthesiologists and he's getting married, like he was
Speaker 1: telling me about that. As he's like wheeling me to
Speaker 1: like the postop room, and I'm just like, what flowers
Speaker 1: are you gonna do it? You just ask him, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you should do hydranges.
Speaker 2: That's adorable.
Speaker 1: So you're all goofy and loopy, and then you look
Speaker 1: down and there's I had a wound back on. I
Speaker 1: have like four different like drains coming out. I have
Speaker 1: a catheter coming out. So you don't get to see
Speaker 1: your results right right away. It was probably for the
Speaker 1: better day six when the wind back came off and
Speaker 1: then I looked down and like just this joy like
Speaker 1: just overcame me. And that was when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this was definitely worth it, this like indescribable feeling.
Speaker 2: And that's when we sent us photos, yes, and we
Speaker 2: got to see the photos, and I was stunned, honestly
Speaker 2: that you.
Speaker 1: Looked amazing. On day six.
Speaker 2: I was like holy shit, like wow, and the wound
Speaker 2: back thing, I have to say that must be new too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I when I was looking up different people's
Speaker 1: surgery journeys and stuff, most people it was like day
Speaker 1: one or day two that they got to see the
Speaker 1: results right because they don't have a woundback.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I kind of preferred the wound back because I
Speaker 1: think it kept it all clean, kept it like so
Speaker 1: the swelling was going down exactly, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why your results looked as good as they did on
Speaker 1: day sex, and you didn't look like a mangled like Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've seen like, you know, looked up like people's results
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh god, this is yeah. And I
Speaker 1: guess one of the interesting things about that for me
Speaker 1: about this is, you know, having been transitioning for as
Speaker 1: long as I have, I've been researching surgery for all
Speaker 1: of that time, and I guess it's really interesting for
Speaker 1: me to see how the surgery has advanced even in
Speaker 1: just the amount of time that I've been researching it.
Speaker 1: Because that woundback thing, I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 1: And when I saw it on you know that they
Speaker 1: had put that on, I was like, wow, that looks
Speaker 1: like it's like going to be really helpful for everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've seen some afters that were like the day
Speaker 1: after that looked like really really really bad, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand people that like are just like
Speaker 1: going home like they're thirty day. I know that's how
Speaker 1: it was back in the days. I was literally trapped
Speaker 1: in the bed, yeah for those five or sixteen Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you didn't even walk until you're sixth day, right, Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And what was that the first time you use the bathroom?
Speaker 1: It was the same day, Yeah, and it was it
Speaker 1: was interesting, you know, because I'm like, how the fuck
Speaker 1: do you aim this thing for the first time? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like like you know, a hose nozzle, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the jet one, and then I'm going to like the
Speaker 1: soaker one where it just comes out like every direction.
Speaker 3: I've noticed when I use the ladies room that I
Speaker 3: wonder if like turfs have ever like caught onto this,
Speaker 3: because sometimes like I'll sit down pee and it's a
Speaker 3: little and then the bitch next to me is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: Like I wonder if anyone has ever like clocked a
Speaker 3: trans woman by her her piss stream is too tight.
Speaker 2: That actually, I think is a thing, and I.
Speaker 3: Could figure it out, like.
Speaker 2: Clock practicing for years how to get my pist stream
Speaker 2: to sound as natal females.
Speaker 3: Sneaking in like a cup of water to like don't there,
Speaker 3: or or playing piss sounds on your phone like yeah
Speaker 3: next to the the residents. Yeah, that's that's a vagina.
Speaker 2: Well, Sophie doesn't have to worry about that anymore. Yes, Well,
Speaker 2: I guess backing up, you know, just to just to
Speaker 2: kind of give I guess a little bit of perspective,
Speaker 2: because we've talked about how much goes into this and
Speaker 2: how much work prep and it's work that you have
Speaker 2: to put in an order to be able to have
Speaker 2: the surgery. What was the biggest motivating factor and what
Speaker 2: was the thing that kept you going and reminding you like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I want. So just as I was transitioning,
Speaker 2: you know, my body's starting to change, just like things
Speaker 2: are looking different, and there's just this one part that's
Speaker 2: just very incongruous with the rest. It wasn't like I
Speaker 2: had intense bottom dysphoria and hated having a penis, but
Speaker 2: it just like felt out of place. Yeah, and so esthetically,
Speaker 2: aesthetically and just like mentally and just all of these
Speaker 2: different ways, and I just was like, okay, it's got
Speaker 2: to go. Like and then like now looking in the mirror,
Speaker 2: things make so much more sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So happy for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So see, like bottom dysphoria is like something that I
Speaker 2: relate to, just because it's the first type of dysphoria
Speaker 2: that I can remember experiencing prior to experiencing puberty, and
Speaker 2: that feeling of like it doesn't quite fit, not quite right,
Speaker 2: and I can imagine you know, myself with something else
Speaker 2: and liking that much more. Do you want to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about just like what the days after
Speaker 2: we're like, I mean, so your sixth day, you finally
Speaker 2: got up and you went pee and got to experience
Speaker 2: your new stream and all that, and why don't we
Speaker 2: talk about dilation?
Speaker 1: Yes, So dilation. It actually the first like week I
Speaker 1: was dilating, it was like, oh, this is not bad
Speaker 1: at all, Like I'm reaching the milestone and yeah. So
Speaker 1: I was also kind of surprised because I'd read online
Speaker 1: heard everything about like dilation is the worst, like blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah, and it just hasn't been too bad.
Speaker 1: I think the worst part is it's just like a
Speaker 1: hassle where it's like I'm just like chilling on the
Speaker 1: couch with my friends. It's like, God, I have to
Speaker 1: fucking get my like dog peepad out for all the
Speaker 1: like loop discharge and loop that comes out. H got
Speaker 1: to like clean my dilators, got to like set up,
Speaker 1: got to get the mirror like my pillows, and then
Speaker 1: the clean up after. So it's like I'm only dilating
Speaker 1: for you know, like fifteen minutes, three times a day,
Speaker 1: three times a day, but then the whole process takes
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes just to set up and getting
Speaker 1: everything cleaned out, so it's more just like a inconvenience
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 3: How long do you have to do that?
Speaker 1: So three days, three times a day for three months,
Speaker 1: and then down to one time a day for like
Speaker 1: six months, and then I think it kind of like
Speaker 1: you taper off from there. As long as you're as
Speaker 1: long as something's coming in there once a week, you're
Speaker 1: probably good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the biggest you know issue, I mean, the reason
Speaker 2: you want to dilate, and if you neglect your dial,
Speaker 2: you lose vaginal depth, which.
Speaker 3: If you wanted to be deep, yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 3: take if that baby's over, biggest possible.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm not getting a vagina and not
Speaker 2: sit on some dicks. So yeah, I think you should
Speaker 2: definitely try to have as much vaginal depth as you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And my mom she told me like she was
Speaker 1: all worried, like, you know, you have to dilate like
Speaker 1: three times a day, Like are you going to be
Speaker 1: able to keep up with that? You never even wore
Speaker 1: your retainer.
Speaker 3: You know that's so true.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny though, Like I was thinking,
Speaker 2: I thought about this was a consideration I had in
Speaker 2: a different lifetime. Like, so, I actually about eight years ago,
Speaker 2: I guess seven or eight years ago, I made a
Speaker 2: down payment with Marcie Bowers, famous NBA celebrity, she really is,
Speaker 2: made a down payment with Marcy Bowers. I had both
Speaker 2: my letters and everything was good to go, except my
Speaker 2: insurance denied my surgery, so I didn't get surgery, which
Speaker 2: I'm kind of glad because Marcy Bowers is no longer
Speaker 2: my preferred surgeon. So yeah, at that time, when I
Speaker 2: was an esthetician, I was like, when the fuck am
Speaker 2: I going to be able to dilate three times a day? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because there was no way with my job and my
Speaker 2: lifestyle that that was ever going to be possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, like I'm trying to. My goal is to
Speaker 1: get back to work by the end of this month.
Speaker 1: I work at a flower shop plant store, so I'm
Speaker 1: on my feet all day, so it's going to be tough.
Speaker 1: But like, thankfully, my job is very accommodating and I'll
Speaker 1: be able to work like kind of shorter shifts to
Speaker 1: fit in dilating right, at least for the first couple
Speaker 1: of months and then just take it from there.
Speaker 3: How long were you off work?
Speaker 1: So I will probably be off work a total of
Speaker 1: like five weeks or so five and a half. I'm
Speaker 1: not terrible.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't be able to fucking pay rounds if
Speaker 3: I was off work like two weeks even so.
Speaker 2: You had to I'm sure save said a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did not.
Speaker 1: I did, like got people to like chip in for
Speaker 1: food when I was like, you know, because I couldn't
Speaker 1: drive for the first three or four weeks, so like
Speaker 1: just people, I've had people bring by food and stuff
Speaker 1: and it's been like really nice. Yeah I haven't. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: And like the other side of town, I do. I do.
Speaker 1: I've been like I was.
Speaker 2: I was like, we're going to come see you in
Speaker 2: Nashville while you're in the hospital. We're going to come
Speaker 2: visit you. And I was just like, well, we'll talk
Speaker 2: to you from the but no, can we talk about sensation.
Speaker 2: Have you had an orgasm?
Speaker 1: No? Not yet? I did so yesterday I had my
Speaker 1: second follow up appointment and the doctor like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the speculum in there. He's poking around doing whatever.
Speaker 1: And then he asked like, oh, well, have you had
Speaker 1: any platoral sensation yet? And I have. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't even like tried to dig around
Speaker 1: to find it yet.
Speaker 3: Just sounds like the setup to like a porno simulation.
Speaker 1: Well let's let's try that out. So then he like
Speaker 1: kind of like put a finger and like like touched
Speaker 1: it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I was like, he touched your clip. Yeah, the doctor
Speaker 2: touched your clip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was it was quite a sensation. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited, and you know, I'm probably it's still probably
Speaker 1: a few few weeks on the road before before any orgastles.
Speaker 2: Right, any fireworks?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know if that's sort of a question
Speaker 2: to ask, but I do know that, like they say,
Speaker 2: you should start playing around on there pretty early on
Speaker 2: to get those get those the neural pathways. I want
Speaker 2: you to start a good Yeah, you start gooning as
Speaker 2: soon as you get home.
Speaker 3: Actually get used to it.
Speaker 1: Your new life now, gooning and dilating.
Speaker 3: Have you guys seen the movie The Skin I Live on?
Speaker 3: Scarlett Johansson one, No, it's under it's a pedro.
Speaker 1: That movie yeah, yeah, is it the one that we watched,
Speaker 1: So it's someone like the training, like creating a whole
Speaker 1: new faces.
Speaker 3: It's very true. I mean I don't really like it,
Speaker 3: to be honest, but I don't like it because I
Speaker 3: was going to mention it for a few reasons. But one,
Speaker 3: it's the first movie that I ever saw a dilater
Speaker 3: and and it was also.
Speaker 2: I saw one and that was the first time on
Speaker 2: trans America.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Oh yeah, we've talked about we should we should
Speaker 3: do some more movie episodes so we can get fuller
Speaker 3: into this areon.
Speaker 6: Hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's basically a like a kind of a mad
Speaker 3: Scientist movie where this guy, I'm about to spoil the
Speaker 3: whole movie, so if you want to see this, like ski,
Speaker 3: but it's like about this like mad Scientists played by
Speaker 3: Antonio Banderas who like this guy like rapes his daughter
Speaker 3: and so he like kidnaps him and like basically like
Speaker 3: force him and turns him into a woman. And it's
Speaker 3: very unrealistic like the first Like I mean, it's like
Speaker 3: a soap opera because yeah, exactly exactly. It's I just
Speaker 3: don't know if I particularly like the idea of like
Speaker 3: forced feminization as like punishment for me.
Speaker 1: I just really the.
Speaker 3: Thing is, I just find that very silly.
Speaker 1: That's getting a little into the crossroad.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Once I realized what the movie was doing is like
Speaker 3: it's making this guy a beautiful man into a beautiful
Speaker 3: woman like candy. But it is kind of a it's
Speaker 3: kind of it's a movie like that where it's someone
Speaker 3: in captivity having things forced upon their body.
Speaker 2: So Pedro Alamavar really likes. He's like a fascination.
Speaker 3: He translat.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Since I've been at home, I've been just watching movies
Speaker 1: all day, so I've watched a couple more of his.
Speaker 1: I've seen like eight or nine of his movies.
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know, I haven't seen enough of his movies,
Speaker 3: but I've liked a few that i've seen. I just
Speaker 3: didn't really care for her skin. I live in that much.
Speaker 2: So you had your follow up yesterday. So you were
Speaker 2: in Nashville again yesterday yesterday. Yeah, and my best friend,
Speaker 2: one of my best friends, Robin, friend of the show,
Speaker 2: friend of the pod. She came up because she may
Speaker 2: be also like I want to, you know, let people
Speaker 2: know what the reality is of bottom sorgry, Like it's not.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of like things you just don't know
Speaker 2: until you like ask people's like personal experience. Like if
Speaker 2: you go on the internet, it's all like this either
Speaker 2: random people and Reddit or like you know, all this
Speaker 2: academic language about stuff. Yeah, and I don't think either
Speaker 2: of those really captures what the reality is. And was
Speaker 2: it anything that you thought it was going to be
Speaker 2: or worse?
Speaker 1: So it's been like like there's things like if I
Speaker 1: drop something on the ground, it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is going to be like a grabber. I should
Speaker 1: get a grammer. Putting on socks the worst. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there's just little things like you're kind of just I
Speaker 1: was so used to just being able to do whatever
Speaker 1: I want, being global and yeah yeah, but now it's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I'm kind of worn out after walking like
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and stuff. Or when I was bedbound
Speaker 1: in the hospital and my phone charger falls on the ground,
Speaker 1: I'm like nurse. So it's a lot more like you're
Speaker 1: a lot weaker than you expected to be and a
Speaker 1: lot less mobile than you thought you'd be. And that's
Speaker 1: all temporary, of course. Yeah, And it's like it kind
Speaker 1: of feels like it's going to be forever. But even
Speaker 1: compared to where I was last week to now, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm much more mobile, like I would not. I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to drive until a couple of days ago, so
Speaker 1: I drove here. Ya, So like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: I'm able to get out and do stuff. So it
Speaker 1: gets better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'm happy it gets better.
Speaker 1: Kids.
Speaker 2: You heard it here first, So yeah, I'm really happy
Speaker 2: to hear that. And I guess I mean, there's not
Speaker 2: really a whole lot much else. We don't have any
Speaker 2: further updates yet until you take that thing out for
Speaker 2: a span.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's well, you call us. Yeah, can we
Speaker 1: get a follow up? Yeah, I'm going to live stream it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like another thing. Like so like I'm single
Speaker 1: now and I'm like, like you guys hear them? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: anybody out there's.
Speaker 3: Bisexual, call the Beauty translated love line. We'll get you
Speaker 3: on time.
Speaker 1: Actually we do have one now, please call us. But
Speaker 1: like I've been thinking about, like do I want just
Speaker 1: some random guy off of like Hide for Tender to
Speaker 1: be the first guy to consecrate? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you treat it ask something very sacred? Or
Speaker 2: do you treat it ask something very just kind of like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's like something I'm kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: dealing with, Like do I want it to be like
Speaker 1: a special moment losing my second virginityil do you.
Speaker 3: Also want to put that like I don't know the
Speaker 3: way people like uh idolatrize like virginity, you know, like
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to put it on a pedestal, but like
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I just made up a word.
Speaker 1: I was a good word.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: Another aspect about being a trans woman who is postop
Speaker 1: and something that we've all experienced as trans women are
Speaker 1: most commonly fetishized for our penises yours now. So yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like I was actually talking with a guy on Hinge,
Speaker 1: I believe, and he was We were talking about movies.
Speaker 1: We like, it was great conversations, talking for a couple
Speaker 1: of days, and then I told him I was trans,
Speaker 1: and like he was cool with how big is it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was cool with it. Everything. Well it's six inches deep,
Speaker 1: and like I, you know, had mentioned like how I'm
Speaker 1: like recovering from a surgery, and then he asked what surgery.
Speaker 3: I told him it wasn't my wisdom, and then.
Speaker 1: He unmatched with me. Wow, it was cool with a
Speaker 1: trans woman with a dick with a dick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and that's the thing, Like, that's the reality
Speaker 2: that a lot of us have to consider with surgery,
Speaker 2: is that, like, like because you know, obviously that's one
Speaker 2: of my goals one day, is that I want to
Speaker 2: have surgery. But are men that thought I was desirable
Speaker 2: as a trans woman before I had surgery going to
Speaker 2: still be interested in me? And in most cases not.
Speaker 2: But you gotta like realize, like, I'm doing this for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not for like fuck all these you know, chasers
Speaker 2: whatever out there, But you just gotta like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'll find the right person exactly. You're going to find
Speaker 2: somebody who loves you for for the person and the
Speaker 2: woman that you are, not for the fact that you
Speaker 2: had a penis at one point, you know, Yeah, exactly so,
Speaker 2: and that's like what we're all looking for, you know,
Speaker 2: out there in the world. So call us in the
Speaker 2: Beauty Translated love line, Yes, do you have any other
Speaker 2: things you want to say about your surgery? About your experience.
Speaker 1: It's tough, you know, it's it's a tough process, and
Speaker 1: like you know, I had to like prepare getting money
Speaker 1: saved up. I had to prepare like getting time off
Speaker 1: of work. I had to get pet sitters, I had
Speaker 1: to get you know, accommodations. There's just so many things
Speaker 1: you have to consider. So I don't want anybody to
Speaker 1: like rush into this. I want people to kind of
Speaker 1: do their research and like I don't know, I'm like
Speaker 1: happy to educate people, like I've wanted to be like
Speaker 1: as open as possible. Like my friend who came to
Speaker 1: my postop appointment yesterday, I invited her to like the
Speaker 1: room if she wanted to like see what this process
Speaker 1: is like, and she like saw me dilating and saw
Speaker 1: like what this process is, you know, just because that's
Speaker 1: the reality. It's not some kind of like fantasy thing.
Speaker 1: I demystifies it a lot. Yeah, And with these types
Speaker 1: of I think nowadays it's changing because there's becoming more
Speaker 1: common and more like just like every day like that
Speaker 1: people are getting to different like surgeries and stuff. But
Speaker 1: definitely there's like this like air of like mystery around
Speaker 1: like what is you know, bottom surgery and all of that.
Speaker 1: Because like I love movies, So one of the movies
Speaker 1: I watched a few week a few months ago. Myrabreckenridge
Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy. Yeah, could considered.
Speaker 3: The Candy Darling movie.
Speaker 1: Right, she's a Quel Welch.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, where she's like a Transloman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she, you know, is a man at first
Speaker 1: goes into this crazy, weird surgery surreal set and like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just like this just the averagest looking
Speaker 1: dude ever. And then it's Raquel and it's Raquel Welch
Speaker 1: and you know that's.
Speaker 3: Basically what happened to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was hoping like surgery would do.
Speaker 1: And it's that's not the reality, right, It's not like
Speaker 1: a one you know second and you're good, right, and
Speaker 1: the big scheme of things, it's a small part of
Speaker 1: your transition when you've got so many other changes that
Speaker 1: your body is going through and so many other things
Speaker 1: like socially and met like all these other things that
Speaker 1: are happening. So yeah, because like me and my friend
Speaker 1: when we were in Nashville, we had some car trouble
Speaker 1: along the way, so we dealt with like mechanics and
Speaker 1: like tow truck drivers.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And like it's very thumb on, Louise, Yes, very thumb
Speaker 1: on Louise, and like our whole motto for the trip
Speaker 1: was don't be clocky. Don't be clocky. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So we get like Darland a lot like that, all
Speaker 1: these like you know, blue collar men are just like
Speaker 1: you know, and that was it's a hard thing to
Speaker 1: deal with, like when you're used to like just being
Speaker 1: paranoid all the time, like am I passing? Am I passing?
Speaker 1: Like like how do I how am I perceived around me?
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden it's like like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I am passing, Like nobody's like really worried and stuff, right,
Speaker 1: but you still have that paranoia anxiety. So it's a weird,
Speaker 1: a weird transition there.
Speaker 3: Tells me all the time when I'm at work, I'm
Speaker 3: always very worried about it. And then like I'm talking
Speaker 3: to like a table of like six construction workers and
Speaker 3: my Mom's like, I'm like, you said you wanted a
Speaker 3: sweet teeth, Like it feels really good on in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I mean it is nice to just
Speaker 2: be able to like forget about that, you know. And
Speaker 2: I think it's one reason why I fantasize about just
Speaker 2: going stealth after having.
Speaker 1: Myne Yeah, especially. Yeah, that's like because now it seems like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a possibility now, like I could
Speaker 1: like go seuth, but then you lose your identity with
Speaker 1: the trans community that I've kind of been somewhat somewhat
Speaker 1: into the past few years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, like if you're like basing your
Speaker 3: I don't know, if you're like a trans person that
Speaker 3: is so I don't know, it's like the complete opposite
Speaker 3: of like like there's like the uber Stacey assimilationists, and
Speaker 3: then there's like the girl that's like no one should
Speaker 3: pass ever. I don't know, I feel like, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: some ship like that, Like I feel like we can
Speaker 3: kind of meet somewhere along here, Like I don't think
Speaker 3: you need to like base like who's in the trans
Speaker 3: community and who's not by who passes it? Like shut up,
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up, Like like just just shut up.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't even have to explain why this all sounds stupid.
Speaker 3: You just just just shut up. Let's all be nice
Speaker 3: to each other. Yeah, we've all we've all gone through
Speaker 3: a lot, I mean, and talking to you ladies like
Speaker 3: about your like srs and stuff and making me realize
Speaker 3: that like I am fake in a transen I'm a
Speaker 3: bisexual trans identified.
Speaker 2: Male bisexuals are just confused.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna take a side.
Speaker 3: I have never been not confused in my life.
Speaker 2: So no, I'm not saying that that anyone should have
Speaker 2: like have to live at stealth. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: there are times in my life when I I not
Speaker 2: acknowledging my transness is very convenient.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's I think there's definitely like i'd say most
Speaker 3: of the time I want to be stealth, but I
Speaker 3: mean not saying, like other times I want to be
Speaker 3: like clocky, but like there's definitely other times where like
Speaker 3: I let my guard down and I don't feel like
Speaker 3: I have to talk in my customer service voice, Like
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's a lot of like because my
Speaker 3: that's just my personal relationship with my trans womanhood, Like
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. Everyone's like a little different,
Speaker 3: I guess, and that's okay, that's something that like should
Speaker 3: be celebrated. I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there are aspects of the trans support and
Speaker 1: community that I've had a lot of trans friends I've
Speaker 1: got over the last couple of years, and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's like, there are parts of this community that I
Speaker 1: really love, but then when I'm at work walking down
Speaker 1: the street, I just want to be like a normal girl.
Speaker 1: I just want to blend in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I totally get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And that's all we're saying.
Speaker 2: Jane, Okay, I don't There's a lot of trans people
Speaker 2: that like always want to talk about trans shit, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, can we talk about Halo?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, let's so, let's all dual wheeled the needler,
Speaker 3: go out there, go to Matt Walsh's house, light them up.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Sophie, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: Of course, thank y'all for having me.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. And in the spirit of what
Speaker 2: I used to do in season one of the podcas
Speaker 2: cast that I've just forgotten about. Is there anything that
Speaker 2: you have to share about why you think being trans
Speaker 2: is beautiful?
Speaker 1: That's a tough question. I mean, I think trans is
Speaker 1: beautiful because it's kind of magic. Like these things that
Speaker 1: we think are set in stone, like facial structures, yeah, things, sex, gender, whatever,
Speaker 1: are very kind of like fluid in a way and
Speaker 1: like changeable and like being able to change that and
Speaker 1: kind of form your own image of yourself. That's like
Speaker 1: magic and that is beauty.
Speaker 3: That was better than my answer.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well I love talking about this. Thank you for being
Speaker 2: our first guest to dive deep into the world of Neopussy.
Speaker 2: Thank you past the Last stot.
Speaker 3: Yea past the last stot. Thanks for keeping me from
Speaker 3: just going on like inane riffs like.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of riffs too, and out that
Speaker 2: I was I was going to be really crude, like
Speaker 2: I was gonna be like, all right, well we're here,
Speaker 2: like I was gonna do like remember, like there's so
Speaker 2: many there's so many great jokes, Like I was in
Speaker 2: like the music studio with our producer where my band
Speaker 2: is working on an album.
Speaker 3: You want to plug your band?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you should plug your band. So our band,
Speaker 1: Robin Shakedown. We have some spring days in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: then we're planning a summer tour going up through Nashville, Cincinnati, Chicago,
Speaker 1: and then coming back down. Wow.
Speaker 2: So starting in the land of her homeland of her vagina.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I think we mentioned this earlier, but yeah,
Speaker 3: hopefully we can hopefully we can do something together.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah, you should tour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jane trying.
Speaker 3: To tour next year, Yeah, a whole other. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: have an album coming out next year, so I'm hoping
Speaker 3: to be able to go on tour for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we have our EP. We're going to be
Speaker 1: releasing single throughout the winter and spring for the Robin
Speaker 1: Shakedown Baron, so look out for that.
Speaker 3: Our listeners will have already heard of listening a good playlist.
Speaker 1: We should do that.
Speaker 2: Actually, we should have a Beauty translated with all the
Speaker 2: people that have been on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank y'all for listening, Thank you, thank you. All right,
Speaker 3: that was a dope interview. I do we want to
Speaker 3: take some calls?
Speaker 2: Yes, Jane, I would love to take some calls. So
Speaker 2: they're standing by. Cool, let's roll it.
Speaker 5: What we got Hi, Beauty Translated. I'm dying to know
Speaker 5: what you think is the trends are going to be
Speaker 5: for twenty twenty four and also how much you think
Speaker 5: we should follow them. Should we stick to our own
Speaker 5: style or is it good to know what's in the
Speaker 5: zeitgeist to feel stylish in the world. Can't wait to
Speaker 5: see what you have to say. Thanks so much for
Speaker 5: your show.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: That's a great question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question because we have talked about
Speaker 3: doing an in and out list, but it's a little
Speaker 3: too the years kind of already underway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but this.
Speaker 3: Gives us, This gives us a little excuse. Carmen, do
Speaker 3: you have any did you write down any ends for
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2: Fine, I just want to say, like I think, for
Speaker 2: me and is going to be like masculinity and femininity
Speaker 2: in whatever form more shape that takes for each person.
Speaker 2: But like I just think gender gender is back, baby
Speaker 2: gender is and troe androgyny is out. Androgyny is out,
Speaker 2: and you owe it to us, Okay, but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I just think I just think I want to see
Speaker 2: more like fabulous like super gendered people.
Speaker 3: I sort of agree with that. I think the age
Speaker 3: of the non binary barista is coming to a close.
Speaker 2: We're closing the door on the spiritual realm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're You're not get much a lot of today.
Speaker 2: Because it is because now it's something that's like a
Speaker 2: noticeable physiogoy physiognomy or like I think that usually like
Speaker 2: once things become like that, like they usually start dying
Speaker 2: out like a like a noticeable style, like it's honestly yeah,
Speaker 2: right right right, like all those AI pictures of like
Speaker 2: Beyonce like with the shape and.
Speaker 3: Like Taylor, but yeah, like working as a Barissa like
Speaker 3: on like it seems like something that's like reaching an apex.
Speaker 3: And also I'm already seeing a lot of this the whole,
Speaker 3: like AmeriCorps like car hearts, like kind of like you
Speaker 3: think that that is what's replacing the non binary super androgyny.
Speaker 1: Kind of labor chic labor laborer chic.
Speaker 3: And just to clarify this is none of that being
Speaker 3: non binary is going out. I think that's and that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying more like the uh, theational Yeah, the
Speaker 3: aesthetics of it, I think are waning a little bit.
Speaker 3: And I think you're right. I think that you'll see
Speaker 3: more people lean into like hyperfelm or hyper masque kind
Speaker 3: of things and kind of like gender bending those in
Speaker 3: their own way. And I think that's pretty nice too.
Speaker 3: I think that's cool, And.
Speaker 2: I say, do it. Look up Joey Aria, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: can we talk about some of my favorite gender benders
Speaker 2: for a moment?
Speaker 3: Can we answer her question.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're so right.
Speaker 3: I think you should also do what you want. I
Speaker 3: don't think you should pay attention to anything.
Speaker 2: I think fast fashion is out, and that means that
Speaker 2: trends are out.
Speaker 3: I'll say this. I'll say this, and this is kind
Speaker 3: of like my mo for fashion. My whole life is
Speaker 3: like I think that if I don't think it's bad
Speaker 3: to be aware of like trends and stuff, or it's
Speaker 3: bad to be aware of like seasonal fashion and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. But if you have a sense of that's
Speaker 3: unique to yourself, that is something that like I it's
Speaker 3: it's if you have like Janey core, like if you
Speaker 3: have your name core, like that is a that is
Speaker 3: something that will never go out of style because it
Speaker 3: will always fit you. So I would I would highly
Speaker 3: advise everyone to find, you know, try in as many
Speaker 3: hats as possible and find your own core so then
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter what's in and what's out because
Speaker 3: you're in.
Speaker 2: And just to like wrap all that up, I say
Speaker 2: that for me, healthy hair, skin, nails, and teeth are
Speaker 2: always in. So yeah, take good care of yourself in
Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty four, and I think you'll be sparkling.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm being gay now, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think. I think reading is in
Speaker 3: reading people sessions over, we're not watching TV. I think
Speaker 3: reading's in. I think uh, I think downers are in.
Speaker 3: Last year. Last year was a big year. Well it's
Speaker 3: been it's been uppers for a while. I think we
Speaker 3: should bring the downers backe please. I think fentanyl is out.
Speaker 2: Self diagnosing yourself off of TikTok's out?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, self diagnosis should be out. Let's know. How
Speaker 3: about this? How about this? Self diagnosis is out? Peer
Speaker 3: diagnosis is innosing. We're letting our homies tell us what's
Speaker 3: wrong with.
Speaker 2: Which personality disorder do I have?
Speaker 3: Janie?
Speaker 2: Have you figured it out yet?
Speaker 3: We're doing like BuzzFeed quizes to figure out what medications
Speaker 3: we should be on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we. I think we thoroughly answered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we. I think we freaked it.
Speaker 1: We freaked baby.
Speaker 3: Do we got any other calls? Maybe one or two more?
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I would like to be anonymous and in
Speaker 4: thirty year.
Speaker 3: Old Atlanta familiar.
Speaker 4: Well, not so recently, but my boyfriend, my ex boyfriend,
Speaker 4: recently broke up with me back step from there. We
Speaker 4: broke up mostly because he is gay.
Speaker 6: First of all, I I was wondering, I recently started
Speaker 6: dating somebody just a few months after our breakup.
Speaker 4: I recently started dating a trance man and are dating
Speaker 4: My has been very successful. Everything's going well, beautifully, seemingly,
Speaker 4: so nice. He's been so validating and so accepting in
Speaker 4: me to see exact opposite of the relationship I was
Speaker 4: in before.
Speaker 5: But my question is.
Speaker 4: I about a year almost two years, honestly, and my
Speaker 4: question is that early to jump into a different relationship?
Speaker 3: My god, all right, we get it. I heard the question.
Speaker 3: I heard the question. That's a.
Speaker 1: Cut.
Speaker 3: The camera's dead ass, Yeah, okay, that you took way
Speaker 3: fucking too long to get to that question. Keep it
Speaker 3: under a minute. I think I know who your voice is.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start guessing names. Oh no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: That voice said sound pretty familiar, though, Uh I didn't.
Speaker 3: Did you catch how long it's been since the breakup?
Speaker 3: I didn't quite touch that part.
Speaker 2: I thought she said like a year? What did she
Speaker 2: say a year? No?
Speaker 1: A month?
Speaker 2: That they were together for a year and they broke
Speaker 2: up a month ago. I mean, I should be writing
Speaker 2: down the book. I will say from experience, I've been
Speaker 2: in a lot of long term relationships, and usually they've
Speaker 2: been like chained after another, Like I've my adult life,
Speaker 2: I will not spend more than like two or three
Speaker 2: months like single. Like honestly, like since I've been like twenty,
Speaker 2: I like twenty two. It's a survival mechanism out here.
Speaker 1: I got.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I told myself after my
Speaker 3: last relationship that I was going to like be single
Speaker 3: for a while, and then a lot of I don't
Speaker 3: really want to talk about my personal life, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it depends, like I would say, like it
Speaker 3: sounds like you're hurt. It sounds like you're hurt from
Speaker 3: this relationship. And I think that like having another partner
Speaker 3: and just doing your best to move on is fine.
Speaker 3: But I do think it's also not a bad idea
Speaker 3: to play it safe, you know, play it like slow,
Speaker 3: you know, hold up on the I love yous, like
Speaker 3: hold up on moving in together, just go slow, close
Speaker 3: slow yet because or maybe for a while. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think that's bad at all. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 3: I think that that's a that's totally cool. I just
Speaker 3: I would advise I would not advise you to like
Speaker 3: just jump in this is the love of my fucking
Speaker 3: life a lot, because it is very tempting to go
Speaker 3: on a very BPD kind of like journey with your
Speaker 3: new partner, So I would advise against that. But otherwise, journey,
Speaker 3: it's story of my life. Story, It's like the story
Speaker 3: of Slaughterhouse Live.
Speaker 2: It's probably the story of my life. I need a diagnosis.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask for a pure diagnosis. Well,
Speaker 2: my feelings on this are, first of all, congrats, you know,
Speaker 2: on getting out of a relationship with somebody who probably
Speaker 2: won't be attracted to you like long term as you
Speaker 2: go through your transition. I think being in a relationship
Speaker 2: with another trans person, as we've talked about on the
Speaker 2: show many times, is like very affirming and of course
Speaker 2: you're going to find a lot of comfort in each
Speaker 2: other and just knowing that you each have a very
Speaker 2: similar kind of shared experience navigating the world. And I've
Speaker 2: never experienced that. I have only ever dated, I've only
Speaker 2: ever dated sis men my entire life. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: you know, there's pros and there's cons to everything. Okay,
Speaker 2: my favorite thing about being in a relationship with a
Speaker 2: straight CIS man is that he is so oblivious to
Speaker 2: everything that just like everything, he has no idea just
Speaker 2: about all the stupid gay and like LGBT shit out there,
Speaker 2: Like he just doesn't know how dumb it is. So
Speaker 2: he's just completely separated from that world. Is kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit freeing, you know. But on on the
Speaker 2: other hand, he can't relate, you know, So there are
Speaker 2: times when I'm like, wow, I wish he could maybe
Speaker 2: relate a little bit more. Now that being said, when
Speaker 2: you're both in the community, it raises a little bit
Speaker 2: of a of an issue, an issue if things, you know,
Speaker 2: start going south right like, because then it's just becomes like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's like many many memes have been
Speaker 2: made about, like the the epic meltdown of like a
Speaker 2: tea for tea relationship ending. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: it's not worth pursuing, but sometimes two trans people in
Speaker 2: a relationship with all the shit that we've got going on,
Speaker 2: just you know, emotionally and everything, it's a lot I
Speaker 2: would think, you know, I mean, sometimes it's hard because
Speaker 2: sometimes I you know, want to be a little less
Speaker 2: in that kind of world, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I M I would also say that, like from
Speaker 3: my experience, I've I've only been in relationship with SIS people,
Speaker 3: sis women and SIS men. I've had like sexual experiences
Speaker 3: with trans people, but nothing like long term. It's not
Speaker 3: for me personally. It's not that I'm not like open
Speaker 3: to it or anything. It's just it's just honestly hasn't happened.
Speaker 3: And that's that's just kind of is what it is.
Speaker 3: But I would just say from like because I've talked
Speaker 3: to a lot of people that like are like strictly
Speaker 3: tea for tea and they always talk about the like yeah,
Speaker 3: like what you said, like the affirmation aspect, and I
Speaker 3: gotta say, just speaking for me personally, that's not something
Speaker 3: that's not important to me, Yeah, I like you said, Carmen,
Speaker 3: like I would rather someone just like not really care
Speaker 3: forget about it, like not really like like me and
Speaker 3: my partner we like just kind of joke about it
Speaker 3: and stuff, and like it's nice like for me, like
Speaker 3: it's nice like knowing that like he is like like
Speaker 3: trans like amorists, and like he thinks I'm hot and
Speaker 3: I like that. Like it doesn't really it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: to me that he's not trans, Like, that's not something
Speaker 3: that like matters to me that much. So this is
Speaker 3: all to say that, like, I don't like, I think
Speaker 3: you should weigh how much that like validation aspect really
Speaker 3: means to you, because I feel like that's something that
Speaker 3: one you can kind of get from a lot of people,
Speaker 3: a lot of like platonic relationships, and two like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I just don't really know like how rewarding that will be,
Speaker 3: like if that's something that like, like I feel like
Speaker 3: that's just something you would get really really used to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, after you've been been with your trans partner
Speaker 3: for like fil years, are you still going to be thinking, like, god,
Speaker 3: I feel so validated, Like I don't know, like, and
Speaker 3: to be fair, and I will just say this one
Speaker 3: more time, this is not something I personally have experience with.
Speaker 3: So if I'm talking out of my ass and this
Speaker 3: is not something that applies to you, that's fair enough.
Speaker 3: And that's fine. If this is like something that like you,
Speaker 3: if you're like hearing what I'm saying and you're like,
Speaker 3: oh no, like twenty thirty years down the line, I
Speaker 3: would still love the validation. I don't know I'm not
Speaker 3: making fun of that. I don't genue, I don't think, don't.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you from my perspective, that's not something
Speaker 3: that particularly I need in a relationship for me that much.
Speaker 3: I need a small like if we're like like putting
Speaker 3: our stats into like a Skyrim build, like I just
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't my validation stat would be low,
Speaker 3: like like I'm I'm spect all the way into like
Speaker 3: umer sex and access service, access service.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. I think if you're if you're worried
Speaker 3: about this being like a quick thing, like moving into
Speaker 3: it fast, you know, just take a step back coat
Speaker 3: it takes things a little slower and just just evaluate
Speaker 3: things and evaluate like what you actually want out of
Speaker 3: a relationship and uh yeah, and see if this is
Speaker 3: a viable means for you to get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, But yeah, thank you all so much for
Speaker 2: listening to this week's episode of Beauty Translated. We hope
Speaker 2: you loved it, And if you want to hear your
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Speaker 3: For all your problems, we will make them worse. Wink think,
Speaker 3: think and we can I Oh, I'm sorry. Can I
Speaker 3: plug something super quick? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I have two
Speaker 3: shows coming up. If you're in the Atlanta area, you
Speaker 3: can catch me at Factors in a Little five Points
Speaker 3: on January twenty seventh and South Bend Commons on February first.
Speaker 3: And is there going to be some fun ones, So
Speaker 3: come on out if you're in the.
Speaker 1: Area, show out. Jane Heads.
Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. We love you, We love you.
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