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Speaker 1: I feel like there's going to be a three hour podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to the Record Magazine podcast here in China.

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Speaker 1: I have been joined by a special co host at

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Speaker 1: this time.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to say, Caitlin, but you've been replaced while in China,

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Speaker 2: even though you speak Chinese.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Yes, really, but I can't speak before I say sorry,

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding if you can by the our fashion

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Speaker 3: correspondent who's now filling in for Caitlin Thompson, the one

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Speaker 3: and only Andrea Pekovic.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, hid gold cap standing ovations in the in

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Speaker 2: the room in the Bristen. Just so you know, I

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Speaker 2: was in my robe, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make an Instagram story knocking on your door,

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Speaker 1: and in the last moment I was like, fuck, what

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Speaker 1: if she's nude? I can't do that. Why the answer

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Speaker 1: my door nude? I mean I know, I mean listen,

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Speaker 1: I've seen worse in my lifetime. So oh that's really

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: And first of all, we have seen each other nudless,

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Speaker 2: Just get that out in the open. We have been

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Speaker 2: in the locker room together, but from a distance. But

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Speaker 2: second of all, I don't go normally even though I

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Speaker 2: know you to the door nude, all right, I might

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Speaker 2: have been nude under my robe, but then I thought,

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Speaker 2: at the last second, nah, I'll get more comfortable because

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Speaker 2: I like to sit with my legs brown, and I

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Speaker 2: thought you'd be a little bit uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: And Australians are weird. They are weird people. I like them,

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Speaker 1: I love them, but they are weird and I'd rather

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Speaker 1: not risk it. So I turned my phone off and

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Speaker 1: I just looked like a regular ass person. Oh good,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you have to do at one point

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Speaker 2: an Australian fashion will do that when you're Australia.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm because I have opinions on that.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think, I'm not sure. I'm not surprised about it.

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Speaker 2: The beach is not a good fashion thing. So wherever

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Speaker 1: Because nobody wants to dress at the beach. They want

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Speaker 1: cloths and quilts, there's nobody wearing a quilt.

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Speaker 2: We wear a swimsuit or a cozy or a bay

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Speaker 2: there's depending on where you are from Australia anyway.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into this. Let's get into posts.

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Speaker 2: We are in Asia, We're in China, we are in Guangzhou.

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Speaker 2: We are You took a not direct flight from New

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Speaker 2: York like I did, like a normal person. You decided

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Speaker 2: to fly byer Germany to go and see moms and dads.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't see my mom and solon. You know,

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Speaker 1: I am a mama's mama's and papas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't blame this on your dad because

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Speaker 1: Was in New York. Yeah, he was there. My mom

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Speaker 1: So that's why I had to fly back and see

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Speaker 1: We are in China.

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Speaker 2: But we want to talk and get into a little

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Speaker 2: and also get into just a little sort of update

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Speaker 2: after the US Open. Yeah, and what we both thought

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Speaker 4: How do you think that that sort of went.

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Speaker 2: So well, it actually wasn't unprofessional because I am here

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Speaker 1: And great players she has, She's been good players. Yes,

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Speaker 2: She has so much to look you know, fans have

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Speaker 2: So good and I think, above all, I want to

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Speaker 1: Definitely, she's incredibly respectful.

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Speaker 2: So I just, you know, hopefully she stays on that

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Speaker 1: Because my god, it was a lot. It was a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, bloody hell, there was a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: Final of like the greatest match of all time. It

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Speaker 2: It was like, oh my god, the Ears the building.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can talk about a little bit on because

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it from a solely players perspective, Right,

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Speaker 1: I've been through much much less than that, but I've

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Speaker 4: If I'd been her coach, you would have yelled why would.

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Speaker 4: The next great tennis player will be somebody who can play.

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Speaker 1: not gonna make it.

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00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you expect to get better as a

439
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,000
Speaker 2: volleyer or moving transitionally forward if you don't practice transitional

440
00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: movement into the net and volleys and basic technique on volleys.

441
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,679
Speaker 1: I see these these.

442
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 4: Women on the tour that literally cannot volley at all.

443
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,719
Speaker 1: But also the man, the new men, except for citypas

444
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 1: Verev cannot play a volley to save his life. But

445
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 1: I'll give he's working on it. But still in the

446
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 1: beginning when he was coming up, he couldn't. You just

447
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: had to play a short slice and get him into

448
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 1: the net and the point was over. And the younger

449
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: even on the guys, it's not a strictly girls thing

450
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,360
Speaker 1: on the guys. To the young guys who are coming up,

451
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: and those guys like c like ali A, sim like Ze,

452
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: they have huge serfs. We have to get into zverev serf.

453
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: What is happening?

454
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: He has the yips, So as much as I love him,

455
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 2: I think one of his issues is going to be

456
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 2: the same.

457
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: That's a problem. That's if you're not winning. The guys

458
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: need their serfs, definitely. I mean, yeah, more than us

459
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 1: because we can still somehow manage and we're good returners.

460
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: The girls and.

461
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: Well, no, because if you don't serve well as a guy,

462
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: you're playing guys that do so well, so you're gonna

463
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 2: get up to and two. If you lose your serf

464
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: like twice a set, you're fucked. Like you have no chance.

465
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 2: I mean you're playing against guys like Roger or you know,

466
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: Redford and these guys and sits past they're holding. So

467
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 2: you have zero chance in men's tennis if you don't

468
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: serve well, unless you're the greatest retriever of all time.

469
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: Even Schwartzman has a decent surve for a guy who, Yeah,

470
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,880
Speaker 2: it's too tiny, that's crazy.

471
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 1: We're getting way off track. I feel like there's going

472
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 1: to be a three hour I think.

473
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: He would understand, like, you know, all the little nuances

474
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: that went on at the US Open. I mean, what

475
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 2: happened with Gregor, guy that's been struggling.

476
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: Nice to see him through and I so glad. Yeah,

477
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was really happy.

478
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, one of the classiest things I

479
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: did see was Roger finished that match, and there's no

480
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: question that he was he was bothered in the fifth set,

481
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: and he finished that match out like he was, you know,

482
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 2: hitting balls.

483
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: And coming and running to the net and like im

484
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: crazy shit.

485
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: And I think it was that just showed a lot

486
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: of class of him to finish that match out and let.

487
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 4: And actually give Grigor the feeling of that match.

488
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: And I think it Roger is unique in that and

489
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: that part not maybe unique, but he's very special when

490
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: it comes to I think he follows the stories around.

491
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 1: I think he was aware that Grigo has had a

492
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: really tough time and he he felt obliged to finish

493
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: that match. And that's what I like about Roger. He

494
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: seems to be following the stories that happened. He knows everything,

495
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: and he takes it into the equation. He thinks about

496
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: this and he and he acts on it. Then that's

497
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Speaker 1: what is really beautiful. I think that he's really going

498
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: to struggle.

499
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Speaker 2: I think I said that he still has a hangover

500
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: from wimbled I think that him not winning that Wimbledon

501
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: match against.

502
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: Novak, I think that I think that's going to.

503
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 4: Be really hard for him to recover from.

504
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: I think he showed that in the first few rounds

505
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: when he lost his first set a couple of times.

506
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Speaker 1: I don't think he was.

507
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: I don't think he's recovered from that match.

508
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll ever recover from that match,

509
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: because I think that that if he can't win Wimbledon

510
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: with two match points on his own zone, I just don't.

511
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how is someone as great as he is,

512
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: how hard it would be to win in five sets

513
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 2: against these players anymore. That's going to be.

514
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: Difficult to get out of the butt hope, because we

515
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: love this. We have to talk about Bianca. We have

516
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: to talk about and her mom.

517
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: We have to talk about and her mom.

518
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: We want to touch on the fact that Serena made

519
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 2: another Grandstone final.

520
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: Which is just unbelievable.

521
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think we give the credit enough to

522
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: realize how consistent she's been over the last two years,

523
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: since she's.

524
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 1: Been the most consistent grand player on the women's side.

525
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 2: She just can't close the deal. This is four Grandson

526
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: finals now.

527
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: I think she's traumatized. That's my I think we talked,

528
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: We briefly touched on it yesterday. I think she lost.

529
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: I think in the first match she wasn't ready to

530
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: be back yet. She had a very favorable draw when

531
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Speaker 1: she got into the finals, and then she got at Wimbledon,

532
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: and then she's got smoked by and she didn't play.

533
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: She didn't play well exactly, but she still she just

534
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: came back. She just came back. No reproaches me. It

535
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: was unbelievable that she made it in the Then she

536
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: was at the US Open, she was already playing a

537
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: much better, but she was still not as physically fit,

538
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: I think as she is now.

539
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 2: And I think she was outplayed in the final, certainly

540
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: at the beginning. I mean, she had not really experienced

541
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: She lost to Naomi earlier in the year, but Naomi

542
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: was playing unbelieving.

543
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: She was serving huge, and if to.

544
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: Beat Serena, you have to be able to serve really

545
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 2: and you've got to stay with her on serve and

546
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: you've got to put pressure on her service games. And

547
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: every match that she's lost, you know, has been against

548
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: somebody liked that other than Vinci. But I think that

549
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 2: was just overwhelming. Going for the calendar grads, yea, and

550
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: Vince was coming in and not getting a lot of rhythm,

551
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: like we said, serving and volleying and all the stuff

552
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: that you don't see very often.

553
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: Look, she played unbelievable.

554
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: After the McNally match, which I think woke her up

555
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: a little bit, she played unbelievable.

556
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: She played unbelievable against her Apova, I mean joke, and

557
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: Elena was playing well. Yeah, Wang was unbelievable.

558
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: But in the final, the first game told the story

559
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: when she double folded that game away, when.

560
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: I literally looked to my girlfriend and literally said this

561
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: is not good. But back to Bianca. Yes, won.

562
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: Her first round at the US Open, and I walked

563
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: past her and I said, hey, well done. I said

564
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: one down. We both said six to go. I mean,

565
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: that's unbelievable. And she had the balls to say finish

566
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: this time.

567
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: And that's I think what defines Obviously she has the game.

568
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's a prerequisite if you want to

569
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: win slams. She has the game. She plays also differently

570
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: than other girls. She has a slash, she has the

571
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: drop shot. She has a heavy forehand. She doesn't always

572
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: go for the big shot. She sometimes lifts it, then

573
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: she goes for it. She's a great mover her legs

574
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: as she so deep all the time. She's quick into

575
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: the cord. She sees the short balls. She's able to

576
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: retrieve when she doesn't play with what I really like.

577
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: When she doesn't play well, she finds a way to win.

578
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: She adjusts her game, she tries something new, she finds

579
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: her way into matches. That's what I really like. But

580
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: what defines her right now at this age what Angil

581
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: called her a drama queen in the best possible way.

582
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: She loves the big stage. She loves going out there,

583
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: she loves she doesn't it doesn't matter if the audience

584
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: is on her side like in Toronto, or against her.

585
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean you've said, there was the loudest You've ever

586
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: heard a crowd, never heard a crowd.

587
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: I was caught side for the match. I have never

588
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: heard a crowd that loud in and I've been in

589
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: some pretty big matches. She sat down at five four,

590
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: and I swear to you on my life, she turned

591
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: around and looked at the crowd like as if something

592
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: was happening in the crowd behind her, Like that's the

593
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: moment where you sit down here, all right, come.

594
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: On, I'm back in this match. Focus. No. She was

595
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: like looking around, like, what the hell, what's going on?

596
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: It's like, no, Serena, they're yelling for you, Like she

597
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: thought something was happening in the crowd. It was the

598
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: most surreal, unbelievable situation. I literally sitting there, going, this

599
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: is unfucking believable. This sound and the noise in it,

600
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: it was crazy in the middle of the points that

601
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: were screaming out if the ball was close to the line.

602
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: I mean, when Bianca lost the game at five to four,

603
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: she put both fingers to her ears.

604
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

605
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, just like to silence the crowd in her head.

606
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable.

607
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: And at five all Serena just stopped hitting the ball

608
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: again and got tired.

609
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: She got tired. Bianca just made her play. She made

610
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: her play. She's smart, this girl. I like how smart

611
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: she is. I like her court intelligence, her how she plays.

612
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: And I love. I have to say I love. I

613
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: am tired, not tired, that's maybe the wrong word. But

614
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to see those and it's for every

615
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: athlete because social media scrutiny has become so hard. Media

616
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: scrutiny has become so hard. I don't want to see

617
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: those humble champions anymore. They are all there because I'm

618
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: just to be here. I just want to play my BA.

619
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: We all say I do the same thing, because I

620
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: know if I say I want to win this match

621
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: against Serena and then I get smoked one, and oh

622
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: everyone will laugh at me, and rightfully so. But Bianca

623
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have that. She goes out there, she gets big mans,

624
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: big speech, big words, and she backs it up and

625
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: she's out there and she owns it. And I love

626
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: that and I love to see different faces, different things,

627
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: and that's great, and that's probably the thing that impresses

628
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: me the most and that I love most to see

629
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: that she's out there and she's like whatever, yes, let's

630
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: go bring it up. But I mean she looks.

631
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: She's talked openly about the fact that she's meditated since

632
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: she was young, which was huge, and.

633
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: When you see her put the towel over her head,

634
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: that's what she's doing. She's doing many meditations in that

635
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: ninety second. So she gets in the.

636
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: Changeovers and I think that really helps her because it

637
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: brings you back to the now, stop thinking about what happened,

638
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: because if you honest to God, the fact that she

639
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: could recover from a set in five one up to

640
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: win a slam, serving for the match at nineteen years old,

641
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, it goes to the

642
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: crowd is the most ridiculously loud crowd, crazy, out of control, amazing,

643
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: but wow, and you're able to actually at five all

644
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: go okay, let's reset and let's get back onto This

645
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: was unbelievable that most people would have fallen apart. Even

646
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: though Serena made a bunch of errors in that game,

647
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: she still made Serena play.

648
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: Some people might not have even been able to hit

649
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: the ball in the court. Oh, absolutely know.

650
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: So you've got to have some seriously, you know, great

651
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: ability to be able to handle adversity.

652
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: And she did that, and she.

653
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: On match point, she did And let's just talk about Mama.

654
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: I think she inherited from her mom because you can

655
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: see mom is there to represent. She has got the outfits.

656
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Speaker 1: Fashion correspondent Petko is very happy, she has got the style.

657
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: She doesn't care no emotion. Hers dollar just won the

658
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: first set and the biggest.

659
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: Not even a golf plat like I mean, you can

660
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: see where she gets her chill from.

661
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, absolutely, I mean that was that was

662
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: so great to see. Coco the dog. Coco the dog,

663
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: she loves the big stage. She's there to represent and

664
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Speaker 1: she's bringing the outfits. As I said, she bring the outfits.

665
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: She's bringing the sun glasses, she's bringing the hair. Everything

666
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: is on point. Not everything has to be a style,

667
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: but she's there and she's representing in the box and

668
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Yes, we have to talk about Clisco.

669
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Speaker 1: I know you want to stay neutral because you coached her,

670
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. But she has what Suitolina had

671
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: every tournament. Every pre tournament talk that I hear is

672
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: Plisco is gonna win it. Plisco is one of the favorites.

673
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: She's playing in the tour. She's dominating the tour. Every

674
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: tournament she plays, she plays at least finals, wins it

675
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: and dominating fashion. She comes to the Slams and she

676
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: can't quite back it up. What is going on there? Yeah,

677
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. We'll not couching you anymore.

678
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean she made the Australian well, and you.

679
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: Know, to be honest with you, she was so close

680
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: to winning that tournament, Like you know, what are you

681
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: saying she lost in the semi as well, because she.

682
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, breakpoint.

683
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: I think at two or one all on the third

684
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: she breaks against Osaka. I think she wins that match,

685
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: you know, because Naomi really should have put it away

686
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: in two and didn't, and I think Carolina hadn't lost

687
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: her Naomi at that point. I think Naomi was a

688
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: little mentally didn't think she could beat Carolina.

689
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: So you know, it would have been a.

690
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, a really tough final to play COVID of

691
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: her in the final, two checks playing each other fun,

692
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: especially those two being so dominant in their countries over

693
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: the last few years, So it would have been an

694
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: interesting match emotionally, I think for her in the final.

695
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: But you know, she came so close and obviously came

696
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: within two holes of serve against Kerba what three years

697
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: ago that you were break in the third.

698
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: That was her first That's where she was closest one Cincinnati.

699
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: She beat Venison, Serena Ba back there in unbelievable matches.

700
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's just, you know, it sometimes

701
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: with a player like that, it just clicks at the

702
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: right time.

703
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: So maybe it's just going to click.

704
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 2: For her at the right time like it did for

705
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: you know, players at one late like Elena or someone

706
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: like that.

707
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: I think she's got She's had tough draws.

708
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: At times, but yeah, I think, you know, the US Open,

709
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: I think that was from her standpoint to lose the

710
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: content was pretty disappointing, even though Joe's can be so dangerous.

711
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, but I don't know it's But do you

712
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: do you think that? I mean, you've been in yeah,

713
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: and you've been around her for a while, so you

714
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: haven't been around her through tons of slams, but you've

715
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: been around does she because she seems like a very

716
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: stress free player that doesn't let stress get to her

717
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: too much. Maybe like others, does she feel the stress

718
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: during slams though, and that just gives her a little

719
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: edge on her on her game because she is a

720
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: very flowy player, right. All her strokes flow beautifully, her

721
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: surf flows beautifully. And I saw against Contain in the

722
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: most important moments she couldn't put the first survey and

723
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: she was trying to muscle it, which is not her game.

724
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: So maybe she's just so relaxed, and then in the

725
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: slams she just feels the extra amount of stress. Do

726
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: you think it's more of a two week thing or.

727
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: I think it could be a combination of both, to

728
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 2: be honest, And I think that you know, you come

729
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: up against players later on in Grand Slams out of one,

730
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: three or four matches and everybody's good.

731
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Speaker 1: Everyone is playing, So you've got.

732
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Speaker 4: To bring your best tennis, and sometimes you have to

733
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: dig out of holes. You know, look at how many

734
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: players look at Bianca.

735
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I mean she she could have lost. Yeah, I mean she's.

736
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: Down setting a break against mart She's down. You know,

737
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: she had a tough match. She was in three sets

738
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Speaker 2: against Taylor Townsend. I mean, bloody house. Liane Stevens won

739
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: the US Open two years ago, three years ago or

740
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: whatever it was.

741
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Two or three years ago. She won every match in

742
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: like three sets. It felt like aging Kerber. The match

743
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: point was down, match point against in the first round.

744
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: You just got to dig out of a hole. I

745
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: don't think this is over. I think Kaya will still

746
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: win a Slam. I hope so. But it's been to

747
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: me it's been interesting to see that, especially this and

748
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: last year. Well yes, and also this in last year especially,

749
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Speaker 1: I feel like she has made a step forward, and

750
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: she has been winning those big, big titles. Right.

751
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: She smoked everyone dig holes in tournaments. She had to

752
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: dig out of the holes in slams. So so we'll see. Yeah,

753
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: of course, I mean, I would love to see her

754
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: win a Slam. I think her to Lena and maybe

755
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: Madison Keyes is in his third on that list of

756
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: players that have won big tournaments, that have won tournaments,

757
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 2: that have gotten close in slams.

758
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: That have the game. I mean, Carolina and Maddie have

759
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: huge games.

760
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: They can put it together, then they can win a

761
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: Slam and Switzelina has a game where she can frustrate

762
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: you and when she plays great and she's gonna you

763
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: have to play great to beat her.

764
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Speaker 1: So hopefully the three of them.

765
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: But isn't it unbelievable we still have those three that

766
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: have won a Slam.

767
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Speaker 1: Yes, that have won numbers of tip they must be smoking.

768
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: But they can also add pressure. I can assume if

769
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Speaker 1: you see those little nineteen twenty year olds playing the

770
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Speaker 1: semis and winning slams, and then you're out there and

771
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Speaker 1: you're like, I've been around for years, why haven't I

772
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Speaker 1: won a Slam? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes it takes people a little bit longer. Speaking

774
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Speaker 2: of longer, can we just add to this little tidbit

775
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: of the US Open we're going to finish with the

776
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Speaker 2: women and say it was an unbelievable tournament.

777
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Speaker 1: Can I just say it.

778
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: Also from ESPN standpoint, the ratings for the women's final

779
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: were through the roof. Through the roof, our peak was

780
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: three point nine, which is unbelievable. I think that I

781
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 2: believe that the men topped off at three point one.

782
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot longer match, so it's sustainable. But peaking

783
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: is where you peak. Women's peaked at three point nine,

784
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: which is unbelievable. Numbers that just shows you the power

785
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: of Serena Williams, but unbelievable.

786
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Speaker 1: But the announcement of Kim Kaist is coming back, Oh

787
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: thank god? What about that?

788
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Speaker 2: Okay, let me just say I've played with her many

789
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: times against and with the in the we call them

790
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: the Invitational Legends matches at the Strain Open at Wimbledon,

791
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Speaker 2: and I can tell you that Kim still hits the

792
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: ball exactly the same. It's unbelievable how pure her ball is.

793
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you played her in an exhibition, in a tournament, finally,

794
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: and she's still in the ball. Unbelievable without even practicing,

795
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: I mean, she's still She's as athletic as ever.

796
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: She needs to.

797
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: Lose weight, she knows that she needs to get in

798
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Speaker 2: better shape.

799
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Speaker 1: She knows that it's going to take.

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Speaker 2: Two or three months, which is exactly what she's planning

801
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: on doing. She's even even, and she'll tell you. She

802
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: doesn't mind me to I'm sure. In the locker room

803
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: at the US Open, she said to me, oh my god.

804
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: One of the ladies who's been in the locker room

805
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: for forever said.

806
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh, girl, you're looking juicy.

807
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 2: She said yeah, it was crazy.

808
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, thanks. You know, but you know, she

809
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: knows she's got to get in better shape.

810
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: But even looking juicy, she still moves on believably.

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Speaker 1: Well this I do. I mean, we talked about it

812
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: a little bit before. I'm a little bit more. First

813
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: of all, can we please, gentleman, because you're pragmatic. I'm

814
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: very pragmatic. I'm like, why would that was my first thought?

815
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: Why would she threaten her legacy? But what is threatening

816
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: her legacy? Mab Well? In my opinion, I don't know.

817
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it's probably in twenty years of well matter. But

818
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I feel like, what if she comes back and she

819
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: gets injured and it's harder and the girls are playing better,

820
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: everyone is fit. Back when she played, there were twenty players.

821
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: I know I played ten years ago and I won

822
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: the first three rounds and slams always no matter how

823
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: bad I was playing. Now it's not possible anymore because

824
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I was much fitter, so I would always grind it out,

825
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: and then once I was there, I was playing well.

826
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: But I now if I don't play well, I lose

827
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds bomb out because everyone is

828
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: fit now, everyone is playing well, and the only thing

829
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: that I have I love the story, and I hope

830
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: she does well because she's amazing to watch and she's

831
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: always been a great idol of mine. I just hope

832
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: that if she doesn't make a great comeback, people will

833
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: not remember her for that. That's what I mean by

834
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: threatening her legacy. But we'll still remember for all the

835
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: amazing things she's done, because I do think it's harder

836
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: now than it was five years ago when she came back.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree.

838
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: I still think that she if she's fit and when

839
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: she gets fit, because she will get fit, and she

840
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: can if she can stay healthy.

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00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: That's the thing she said. Three kids. Yes, there's a

842
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff because had three kids.

843
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: I was going to get into too many details, but

844
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: there was some couple of funny things that happened whomen

845
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: were playing in the Legends at Wimbledon. You know, anyone

846
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: who said kids will probably know exactly what I'm talking about.

847
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 4: But you know, so she's gonna have to work on

848
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 4: that constability.

849
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean Serno's, you know, had one child, and it's

850
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: I think taken her a good year to even get

851
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: to that point of being able to move again with

852
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: the knee. Now it's better, she's moving better. It's great

853
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: that she's trying.

854
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: I agree to some extent. The only thing I have

855
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: an issue with what was this video from the WTA.

856
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I thought somebody died. I thought Kim died. She announced

857
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: that she has cancer. I was like, oh my god,

858
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: what is happening. And when she said I'm coming out,

859
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, thank god, thank god.

860
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: I like went to church, lit a candle. I was

861
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: like this music, like sad violin music, and there's like

862
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: fade away shot something like yeah, like check your audience.

863
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: WTA people are pumped for this, not sitting in the

864
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: corner and crying. I was like, oh my god, that

865
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: everyone died. Belgium is not on the map anymore. If

866
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: what has Germany done again? So many things that were

867
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: going through my mind and when she said I'm coming back,

868
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: ten loads of stones fell off me. I was like,

869
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: oh my God, wouldn't have been appropriate to have like

870
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: I the Tiger or something. Jesus Christ. Social media team

871
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: of w t A, I need you to check your audience.

872
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: All right. I will work on that for you, will

873
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: work in it. Okay.

874
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: So all right, so we're happy that Kim's coming back

875
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: on God love you, Kimmy.

876
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: Let's talk, you know, play Petko in the first round

877
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: because there'll be some serious pressure on her.

878
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: There will be a lot of pressure on somebody to

879
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: play against her in the first round.

880
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: Everyone. I mean, I would ship pants, I would my pants.

881
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Can you imagine?

882
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 4: And you know how many people are like idolized to her?

883
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: Will be like that. Okay, So Kimmi, good luck.

884
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: My friend who was also if you haven't heard her

885
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: on our podcast, she's awesome, so listen to her because

886
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: she tells some great stories. Let's touch on the men

887
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 2: a little bit at the US Open, the fact that

888
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: Roger lost to Grigor but the Medvedev ship hit the

889
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: fan early on and he was a complete you know,

890
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: and he'll even talked about it. Complete wanker, you know,

891
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: flipping off the crowd and you know, bringing it on,

892
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: bringing it on.

893
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: But you know what, love this my favorite Russians James Bond,

894
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: villain in the world.

895
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: He reminded me of a musketeer, though with his it

896
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: looks like a friend.

897
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: And his face is a little crooked. It's always like

898
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: his chin. And this guy he did the best of him.

899
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: He did the best loser speech at the Washington Tournament.

900
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: Oh really, I knew what he was capable of doing.

901
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: And then of course the speech with Chris.

902
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Mckendrey in the final of the Years Open was legendary

903
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: about what were they going to play if one but

904
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: this guy he's I mean, personality wise, you'd be like,

905
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: oh am I.

906
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Going to root for this guy?

907
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 4: He's so boring, right, the place is kind of weird

908
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: and whatever.

909
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: He's very typical.

910
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: But you got to root for this guy now because

911
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: he's like, this guy is so interesting and fun and

912
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: what's going to happen?

913
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: And already he did a few things that I thought

914
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: were hilarious, but people jumped on him.

915
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: And he's also had a bit of a spotty past

916
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: where he said some things that are not appropriate and

917
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: been good, and I hope that he's learned from those experiences,

918
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: because you know, this is going to be a long

919
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: career for him and he needs to have the support

920
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: of the crowds behind him.

921
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: So hopefully he gets that.

922
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 4: But oh my god, two sets to Love down a.

923
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: Break in the third to Ruffa. I went to dinner.

924
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: I went to dinner, and I came back and watched

925
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 4: the fifth set.

926
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: It was one of the most amazing matches, and I

927
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: give credits so much to Roger. To Ruffa, we already

928
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: touched upon him serving him bowling, and like, I'm thinking,

929
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: this guy is unbelievable.

930
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: He wants to win this match.

931
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: Talk about being clear on knowing what you had to

932
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: do to win that matter, and he looked absolutely tapped.

933
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: In the fifth he was gone. You remember the point

934
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: that he broke. He hit that cross court back ended break.

935
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to fall into the net

936
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: after the shot.

937
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I've never seen Raffa not celebrate a point, because he didn't,

938
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: and he didn't. He was just on his knees and

939
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: I thought, that's it. That's he just died right now.

940
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Rest in peace, Rafa. It was nice to have you,

941
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: but he just died on core, probably the best way

942
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: to go, but he was up a break, so he's like,

943
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: I might as well rise from the death right now.

944
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: It was truly one of the most amazing, great matches

945
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 2: that I've ever seen, and there's no question Ralfa relied

946
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: on the crowd to getting through that.

947
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was done. And you know what the

948
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: best part was about this match. I was in Boston

949
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: because they got into this Harvard program for professionally. Sorry,

950
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: I had to just humble Bright. But what I wanted

951
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: to say is, so the we had the dinner and

952
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: when it was over, I checked the score and I

953
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: see it's in the fifth set, and the same thing

954
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: it was up, Rafa was up. We thought it was

955
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: going to be so quick, and so I made all

956
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: that I me and Caroline basically and David Lee. Caroline

957
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,399
Speaker 1: was lucky and David Lee. We all basically made all

958
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: the athletes go to a bar with us to watch

959
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: this match, and it was nobody was drinking. Nobody was drinking.

960
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah awkward pause, But they were NBA players, NFL players,

961
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: hockey players, skiers. It was all kinds of athletes. And

962
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: what I loved most everyone got so into it and

963
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys and girls said to me like,

964
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the best sport ever, Like,

965
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: why am I playing basketball? This is the best thing.

966
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Granted not every match goes like this, but it was

967
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: a good feeling to be one of the tennis players

968
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: where all the athletes looked like, this is what you

969
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: do every day, eleven months a year. True, that is

970
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: so amazing. And I got fluebumps now when I think

971
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: of it, because we felt so validated in that moment

972
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: and it was just a great And that's what Raffa

973
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: and guys like Ruffa and Roger and everyone else, Bianca

974
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: Serena also our favorite Russian James Bond villain. That's what

975
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: they provide and that's what they give us. And what

976
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: is the greatest reality TV? Yeah? I mean, you know,

977
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: I can say that about other sports.

978
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: When you go and watch other sports, I'm like, oh

979
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: my god, Like ice hockey and I'm like.

980
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the sport's the best. You take your

981
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: eyes off of it. It's unbelievable.

982
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: No wonder you play, you know, just yeah, So kudos

983
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: to sports being the best reality TV and the US

984
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: Open this year was phenomenal.

985
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: It was phenomenal.

986
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: This most amazing some matches can I touch upon just

987
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: for a second, because it was also caught sight the

988
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: mole Feast and my favorite guy in the whole world, Berretini, Okay,

989
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: the cutiest of Qutie Parks.

990
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: That match was a joke.

991
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: The crowd that was the second or third loudest crowd

992
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: other than the two finals. Really it was insane. And

993
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's behind Malfice because he just has this

994
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: great story. He's so fun to watch and he gets

995
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: the crowd going. But Berrettini, every now and again he

996
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: did the same thing, and he was like, I'm here too.

997
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: I'm here and I'm cute, and I love this.

998
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 2: I'm cute and I am like this guy who's like,

999
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep digging and I'm going to keep trying,

1000
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: and I'm just smile through it all.

1001
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I love this guy.

1002
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna win a Grand Slam, There's no doubt in

1003
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: my mind, no doubt.

1004
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I did say that he will be the first of.

1005
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: That young generation to win a Slam, But after seeing

1006
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Medvedev what he's done, I think it might be a

1007
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: battle between the two of them.

1008
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: Okay, because so you think he's better than Cypus, And yes, I.

1009
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: Think Citypas has some serious emotional problems on the court.

1010
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: But I think is the best. But it doesn't matter. Yeah,

1011
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. And that's the thing. And that's the

1012
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: thing in tennis. It's not about in tennis. It's not

1013
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: about your skills. It's about in tennis. It's probably the

1014
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: only sports where it has a human backboard too. He

1015
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: doesn't miss, Yeah, guy doesn't, but he doesn't play. You

1016
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: would never teach a kid to play like this. He's

1017
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the only one who can play this kind of game.

1018
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: It's the same thing I always say about Delpaco's forehand.

1019
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: It's the best forehand in the world. But you would

1020
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: never teach this kind of forehand. Everyone would be late.

1021
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: He has the biggest swing, but he's never laid so

1022
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: technically in tennis, you could make three clips, the same thing,

1023
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: but technically intense, you can make three back flips before

1024
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: a forehand. If you still hit it in front of you,

1025
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: good for you do the fucking backflips. Go ahead. But

1026
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: that's the thing. In tennis. Talent is not only technical skill.

1027
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: It's not only coordination skill that's the base of it,

1028
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: but then it comes how do you deal with emotions?

1029
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the spotlight? How do you

1030
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: deal with how strong are you mentally? All these things? Everything,

1031
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: it's you've.

1032
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: Got to tick every box to be great, you know,

1033
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: and above it all, you've got to have a heart

1034
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: of a champion. And what I saw between, especially with Berrettini,

1035
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: is that man he dealt with some adversity because the

1036
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: crowd would definitely form on fees, not that they were

1037
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 2: fully against him, but you couldn't be against him because

1038
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: he smiled through the whole thing.

1039
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 4: That's why I like this guy so much. He actually

1040
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 4: has such a.

1041
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: Great perspective on tennis, you know, kind of like you

1042
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: just got to love that about him. He actually loves

1043
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: the He's.

1044
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 4: Italian lad like you mom, Bring it on, bring on

1045
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 4: the noise.

1046
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: I love the way he reacted because the guy double

1047
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: folded on match point, and it was the ugliest double.

1048
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: Fault you know he did.

1049
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: He turned around and laughed like he.

1050
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: Turned around him, laughed like terrible, But you know what,

1051
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: he kept going and he kept going and he kept going,

1052
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: and you know what, he is the one that played

1053
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: the better tiebreak in the fiss And I love this guy,

1054
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: he will definitely in my opinion, he's talking about a

1055
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: big forehand. Holy shit, his forehand is huge. He's got

1056
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: a huge serve. He will develop. I think he will

1057
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: be even better playing two or three years time. But

1058
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind he'd win a Slam.

1059
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I hope so, because honestly, the Italian, the Italian tennis

1060
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: audience is one of the best. I love playing in

1061
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: Rome so much, and they deserve an Italian champion that

1062
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: they deserve, you know, a man, yeah, especially, but also

1063
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, we had such great female Italian champions and

1064
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: then the man I mean five is incredibly talented, but

1065
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: they are so whiny, like get it together, guys. You

1066
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: know you always see him crying and complaining and well,

1067
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: this guy, and that's what I like, because I saw

1068
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: his match and I didn't see him here, but I

1069
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: saw him in Wimbledon where he got smoked by Federer smoke,

1070
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: and not once did he like look out to the

1071
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: box and like complain and like what am I doing?

1072
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: And he's playing so well, Like why am I here?

1073
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: He was just like trying to do his best and

1074
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: it didn't happen that day. But now he comes back

1075
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: and he makes the samis was it Sami's right or no? Yeah?

1076
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: So and he comes back and he bounces back from that,

1077
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: and it's just but he's the type of guy that goes, oh,

1078
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to learn from that. I'm going to learn

1079
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: from it exactly.

1080
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: So watch out for him at the Austrain Open.

1081
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: But I want to get into just the last couple

1082
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: because we've got we've only got a couple of minutes

1083
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 2: left because we've.

1084
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: Talked too long, talked at nauseum as wit is there.

1085
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: I thought podcast can go on for seventeen hours.

1086
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Speaker 2: They can if they want to. We can do part

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00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: one and two if we want. That's going to be

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00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: up to our executive producer, Kate On Thompson.

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Speaker 1: She's even, she's even has control over us and we're

1090
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: like three worlds away.

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00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: The reason she has control over us is that I

1092
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 2: have no freaking idea how to put this online.

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00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: I send her the thing, the thing.

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00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: And she puts it upload and she edits, which is

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00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: why shits away.

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Speaker 1: Co host and editor or what does she call it? Editor? Producer?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I love by the way Caitlin. I love the

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00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: way when she's like, this has been the Record Magazine

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00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: podcast of this week, Your host Rene Stubs, Your hosts,

1100
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: she does this weird voice that she never speaks in.

1101
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like way deeper because like.

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00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: Her talk like that does she do when she's dronk?

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00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: That's the question? Well, she speaks always French when she's

1104
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: d Yeah, but also like really weird French, and nobody

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00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: understands because I speak French that I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: What when it comes up a pre match interviews, somebody

1107
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: said they want to get to get rid of them,

1108
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: so do I.

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00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: Well, listen, you know what I said in the last

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00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: year of my career. One day when I have a

1111
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: pre much interview, I'm just gonna be like, fully honest,

1112
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: just put it off. You know when you come out

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00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: there and they're like, so, how did you prepare for

1114
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: this match and you go like, honestly, not great, didn't sleep,

1115
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: hat diarrhea all night, feel terrible. Honestly, I just hope

1116
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: I can hold it in today. Maybe if one player

1117
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: would say that, maybe they would get rid of these interviews.

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00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well the.

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00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: You got a players, I'm throwing it out there for

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00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: the pre match interviews.

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00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, also your former pupil I might say, oh, student,

1122
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: Kaya Pliskova, she's want to oh man. Last year at

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Speaker 1: Indian Wells, it was it two years ago when she

1124
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: lost in the Semis to Kuznetsova. That was two years

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00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: ago in Western I one. I've never seen anything like

1126
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: that pretty much. Interview, and I think it was Pam

1127
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: Shriver goes like, so, Kaya, we all know you're the

1128
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: ace queen. What is your favorite serf? And she goes like,

1129
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: oh no, she said, like in the most important moments,

1130
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: I always said, surf down the tea and Swetlana was

1131
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: already on court and they show her and you could

1132
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: see her like unpacking her back and just going like

1133
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: did she just say that? And the worst part of

1134
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: that is kuznetso won seven five seven five, two breaks

1135
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: and she broke both times when she like closed the

1136
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: cover the fucking tea at Plisko. I mentioned it, and

1137
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe this is coincidence, but maybe Kaya

1138
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: appreciate your honesty. But I kind of love that. I

1139
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 1: love her, I know, but it's sometimes it's just self distracting,

1140
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: all right.

1141
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: A lot of people ask about the Asian swing, how

1142
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: difficult it is After slams.

1143
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: I can tell you. From my perspective former player, it.

1144
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: Sucks and it's really tough to be here for three

1145
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: or four weeks after.

1146
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: I did enjoy going to the.

1147
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: Indoors in Europe, yeah, and enjoying that moment. But you know,

1148
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a know nothing against obviously anywhere

1149
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 2: in Asia.

1150
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: But oh, honestly, I think it's not. It's really they

1151
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: have a tough standing with the with the calendar, with

1152
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: the schedule of the calendar. I think every player after

1153
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: the US Open, after the last time in the year,

1154
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: feels just a big, huge void and emptiness inside of themselves, because, yes,

1155
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: the Slams are the tournaments you prepare for, and I

1156
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: wish the other tournaments would gain more importance than that.

1157
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: There are really important tournaments after the US Open, But

1158
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 1: in a player's mind, it's just I prepared for the Slams,

1159
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: and especially if you done bad at the Slams beforehand,

1160
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: and you want to put it all out in the

1161
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: in the US Open and you emotionally gatther yourself and

1162
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: then when it's over, there's a big hole after that.

1163
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: So just by pure scheduling, it's a bitch for Asia

1164
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: and so and then most of the players. I think

1165
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: the Asian players love it, probably because that's the one

1166
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: time they get to go home, and good for them

1167
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: because but for most of the players who are European

1168
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: and America, it's a long way and the jet like

1169
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: kills us. But you know, I wanted to say that earlier,

1170
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: and it's a good time to butt in on that

1171
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: when we talked about Cocoa, Gough, Serena and Venus were

1172
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: the first generation to profit of the h eligibility rule,

1173
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: because if you come to think of it, they were

1174
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: already amazing when they were fifteen sixteen and they couldn't

1175
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: play as many tournaments. And look where they are now,

1176
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: thirty eight, thirty seven, thirty nine, still playing, still playing, amazing.

1177
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: So maybe this age eligibility rule really did favor favor

1178
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: the young players. Who was my question.

1179
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: Look at the once who came before that that struggles, Yes,

1180
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: you know, the Andrea Jaegers, the Tracy Austin's.

1181
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: All one ranked number one or two or three.

1182
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: In the world, winning slams, yeah, and getting to finals

1183
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: and slams.

1184
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: When Tracy Austin quit with twenty one twenty.

1185
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 4: Two, like it's crazy, yeah, something like that.

1186
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: But I mean this is not It's like, so, you know,

1187
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: for people to say, oh, you know, you're stopping a

1188
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: player from making a living, it's like, calm the fuck down.

1189
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: Like, I think she's fine with the sponsors.

1190
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: Also, yeah, I mean they're going to play until they're

1191
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 2: in their late thirties. Yeah, you know, this is a

1192
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: long career ahead, and it's a lot, a lot of tennis,

1193
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: and it's a lot's.

1194
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: A struggle man every year to play ten months of

1195
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 4: the year.

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00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: So I think it's fine. If you're good enough, you're

1197
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: going to be good enough for a long time.

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00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: You Kim classes she's coming back with a third time

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00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: thirty six, it's it's you're fine.

1200
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: And if she comes back fourth time, please make a

1201
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: better video of WTA not better, just different music. Just

1202
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: don't scare the shit out of me.

1203
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 4: I want to have full control of Kim's.

1204
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: Fourth Yes, And I also want to have full control

1205
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: over my emotions because I can't deal with that. Okay,

1206
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: that's good.

1207
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: Just to touch on why the thirty is the new twenty,

1208
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: it's because there's a lot more money you can afford

1209
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: to travel with you know, a physio or somebody helping you.

1210
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: And and I.

1211
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: Think that the game course of the money, you can

1212
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: play a little bit longer, and people want to play longer,

1213
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: and they realize, oh, someone can do it at thirty five,

1214
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: so I can.

1215
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: I So you don't just go to thirty now and go,

1216
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: oh it's time to quit. Well, And I think a

1217
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: lifestyle has just adjusted to the tennis right. Everyone is

1218
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: watching what they eat now, everyone is taking care of

1219
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: sleeping enough, taking care of the jet like, scheduling better,

1220
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: having better advisors. As you said, physiotherapy has evolved. Training

1221
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: off the court has evolved. I remember ten, fifteen, twenty

1222
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: years ago, even Stepfie, she was probably the first one

1223
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: who did things in the gym, but everyone else was

1224
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: just hitting okay, but everyone was just hitting tons of

1225
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: bars but not doing anything in the gym, and then

1226
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: would get injured. And nowadays you do your prevention, you

1227
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: do exercise for your shoulders and back. Yeah, I think

1228
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: about someone like Stephie.

1229
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: I think that somebody Stephanie would have maybe had an

1230
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: even longer career if she'd taken a little bit better

1231
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: care of her body because she was just beat up, yeah,

1232
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: big time. But I think that's also just her nature

1233
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: was to go onereds now with you really doubles about

1234
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: picking doubles partners, it's just kind of I think it's

1235
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of a if you like somebody, you know,

1236
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: maybe you talk to them as a friend.

1237
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: That can happen.

1238
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 4: Also, what are their rankings that matters?

1239
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: You know, if someone has.

1240
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: The same ranking as you, you can get in a singles

1241
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,280
Speaker 2: ranking as well, So you have to combine those things.

1242
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: It's kind of a little bit complicated yet and on,

1243
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: but I think overall, you just want to play with

1244
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 2: people that you like.

1245
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what's showing now that a lot

1246
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: of singles players want to play with singles players and

1247
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: doubles players tend to play with doubles players just because

1248
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: I think I know, from my perspective, there are tournaments

1249
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: in the year where it's just too much and I

1250
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: don't want to play doubles. Other tournaments two week tournaments

1251
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: where I would want to play, But then if I

1252
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: get far and singles, I might want to take it

1253
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: easy on the doubles. And I think another singles players

1254
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: understands that better. Plus, it's not the whole livelihood, whereas

1255
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: if you have I did play with doubles players in

1256
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: the past respect and I felt so responsible. I played

1257
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: terrible because I just felt so much pressure for them

1258
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: because that was the only thing they had. And at

1259
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: least in singles, you're the only one to blame if

1260
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: you lose, right, You're like, I messed it up. Fuck ship,

1261
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: and you go off and you cry, you cry yourself

1262
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: to sleep, and then you go on and do it

1263
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the next But in the doubles, it's not only up

1264
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: to you, it's up to your partner a little bit too.

1265
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: So that was so much pressure for me. Man, it

1266
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: was more pressure than all the semi finals and the slams.

1267
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: I did one. All right, Well, I think we've sparked enough.

1268
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 2: I think we've answered most questions that people said to us.

1269
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: We can get into these questions if people are interested

1270
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: in a maybe separate podcast a little bit longer. But

1271
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: I really, like, I really thought we had to dig

1272
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: into this years something because they were so phenomenal this year, like,

1273
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, phenomenal, and nobody talked about how well.

1274
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: You had an upset win in the first round against Patrick.

1275
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 1: You had the greatest what do we call them posse ragtag?

1276
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: What did I call them? Wild cards?

1277
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: All of wild had the most unbelievable crew of people.

1278
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: You had the band Tennis watching you. Literally there's a

1279
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: band called Tennis that were watching you.

1280
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: That are awesome.

1281
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 2: You had the Brooklyn rug Rats, you had the East

1282
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: Village rug Rats.

1283
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: You had everyone there cheering for you. So you had

1284
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: quite the fun oh man. And this is what I

1285
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: really loved this year. Both women and men had amazing

1286
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 1: stories because the last few slams, the men were a

1287
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: little boring with the tree. I mean, if you didn't

1288
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: have the Wimbledon finals with between Roger and Djokovic, they

1289
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: would have been the most boring grand slant.

1290
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: And actually the men was boring up until about the

1291
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: beginning of the second week and that's it.

1292
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: So it was really exciting.

1293
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: We're going to have to have a depression now for

1294
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: a couple of months waiting for the Austrain Open and

1295
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: we'll get all those great storylines again.

1296
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: So all our racket magazine podcast fans.

1297
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: Petco is not going to do a fashion correspondence for

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Speaker 2: China because she might be politically incorrect or she's a

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Speaker 2: little tired and we've gone on too long, but maybe

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Speaker 2: she will definitely do.

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Speaker 1: One at some age, possibly in Australia.

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Speaker 2: But thank you Andrea Haadkovich for joining me as your

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Speaker 2: as my co host.

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Speaker 1: This is Me, Caitlin Tamson, your co host and plus

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Speaker 1: and as us making funny okay dry so bunny us

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Speaker 1: jeers jeers h m hm