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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December nineteenth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number ninety three. Welcome to another edition of The Break
Speaker 1: live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys taking some time with us and
Speaker 1: know it's a little late in the day for a
Speaker 1: show that usually is at nine thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: but happy to be on with you guys. How is
Speaker 1: everybody feeling today? Good? Good? Great? We are gonna be
Speaker 1: You're ready for nine thirty were you? Yeah? We'll here
Speaker 1: waiting for you guys. You sure not nine thirty five?
Speaker 1: We had stuff to do. We did have stuff to do. Actually,
Speaker 1: I wanted to start the show today talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about a certain player that's back in the building today,
Speaker 1: um Ezekiel Elliott returned from his suspension yesterday. Actually was
Speaker 1: in the building for a little while yesterday and today
Speaker 1: is back. I guess full time. We'll be here for
Speaker 1: all the team activities, to day meetings, their run. I
Speaker 1: assume maybe he'll be here for the media session this afternoon. Nick, Um,
Speaker 1: did you get a Chancey? I don't think you got
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to him, did you? No? I
Speaker 1: did not know. You didn't get talk with him, But
Speaker 1: you did see him, did see him? Was ready? Look
Speaker 1: to him? Look a little different, look at a little different,
Speaker 1: A little different, I would say, but not too much.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got like a different haircut. Don't know
Speaker 1: what it's called. I'm sure it's called something doing the
Speaker 1: gote thing gotta got it looks a little leaner, does
Speaker 1: m Okay, So those pictures that we saw from Cobbo,
Speaker 1: those weren't doctored. I don't I don't know. I guess not.
Speaker 1: He didn't show you his apps. No, they'd pull up
Speaker 1: the sheriff for the apps now didn't all right, just
Speaker 1: didn't really stop and talk a whole lot, which was unfortunate.
Speaker 1: But um, maybe later we can talk to him. Maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe see what Rocky says. So let's
Speaker 1: talk though about like what the Cowboys do at this point.
Speaker 1: Yesterday give it to him a lot. Well, Jason was
Speaker 1: asked yesterday about like how do they approach this? Do
Speaker 1: you kind of just throw the load at him or
Speaker 1: you kind of ease him in? First of all, I'll
Speaker 1: talk about what Jason said. What did Jason say? WHA
Speaker 1: asked that question about what how they're going to kind
Speaker 1: of work Zeke back into this? He said that they're
Speaker 1: gonna make those determinations as the week goes along, meaning
Speaker 1: meaning thirty or twenty seven, Like we don't know. See actually,
Speaker 1: you know what, I I doubt that very much. When
Speaker 1: we were talking about that in our cover for production
Speaker 1: meeting today is like, I mean, unless it's pouring in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: does Zeke really ever flirt with like thirty touches in
Speaker 1: a game? I mean, they give him the ball, but
Speaker 1: it's not you like the work. And that's that's honestly
Speaker 1: why I don't worry about this, like him in, don't
Speaker 1: make him do too much because typically Zeke probably finishes
Speaker 1: with somewhere between twenty one and twenty six carries in
Speaker 1: a given week, you know, like and you know they
Speaker 1: rotate Alfred Morrison on the third possession of the game.
Speaker 1: Maybe rod Smith will get a few more touches now
Speaker 1: because he's had a good stretch here while Zeke has
Speaker 1: been gone. But they don't. He doesn't get He doesn't
Speaker 1: have many of those Levion Bell type of days where
Speaker 1: he has forty touches, which is why I think if
Speaker 1: he's been working out for six weeks in Cabo, I
Speaker 1: think he should be capable of getting twenty two carries.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound out of the scope of realism for me.
Speaker 1: It's usually where people work out, right, Yeah, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 1: he looks good though he was working out today. I
Speaker 1: think then the plan stuff that Jason Garrett's going to
Speaker 1: figure out. First of all, you know, if you asked
Speaker 1: about Dak versus Cooper rush reps, he probably would say
Speaker 1: that we're going to discuss that this week. So he's
Speaker 1: not gonna give you much anyway. That was what I
Speaker 1: was implying. Yeah, but I think it's probably what we
Speaker 1: do with Alfred Morris now and Rod Smith, and Rod's
Speaker 1: now are third down back? Does he does he continue
Speaker 1: to be the third down back even with Zeke? So
Speaker 1: I only I just want to figure it out between
Speaker 1: Alfred and Rod who's taking those reps. You know, whether
Speaker 1: whether you're thinking third down or if you're going to
Speaker 1: do the third possession thing that they love to do
Speaker 1: so much. Figure that out. But like just he's he's
Speaker 1: ready to go, right, he should be. That's I think
Speaker 1: the biggest I think the biggest question will be more
Speaker 1: about do you feel confident, confident enough in him that
Speaker 1: he's back that you don't keep that third guy active.
Speaker 1: That's where I think there's at least a question of
Speaker 1: what do you do with the third guy? Do you
Speaker 1: need the spot? Maybe you don't even need the spot,
Speaker 1: but if you do, then how do you handle that
Speaker 1: From a situation where you know he's bringing Hi back.
Speaker 1: It's not because coming back from injury, so you don't
Speaker 1: have to feel it I have to feel like you
Speaker 1: have to worry about an injury. But the fact that
Speaker 1: he hasn't played football in six weeks that can be
Speaker 1: something that you at least want to monitor a little bit, right,
Speaker 1: If that's something that you think you need to do.
Speaker 1: And it's going to depend Tyrn Smith and David Irving
Speaker 1: and Orlando Scandrick and Bryce Butler and all that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. But if you think you need a running
Speaker 1: back to sit to get to where you need to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would do it. That's he's been suspended. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been hurt, right, he's been suspended and he's they're certainly
Speaker 1: doing their best to tell you that he's been getting ready.
Speaker 1: So if he hasn't been, I don't know why they're
Speaker 1: saying that. So if he's been spending six weeks getting ready,
Speaker 1: then he's ready to go give them the ball. Do
Speaker 1: you worry at all about the soft tissue injuries like hamstring,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff when you got a guy who
Speaker 1: hasn't played football. I know he's been working out, but
Speaker 1: do you worry about that kind of stuff when he
Speaker 1: hasn't played NFL football? I mean, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you worry about it. When it happens, you're saying, well,
Speaker 1: and I'm not surprised, but I think you you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna get just a heavy dose of the carries
Speaker 1: and you know you the good thing is there's no
Speaker 1: there's no holding back. This isn't the time to hold
Speaker 1: anything back. You got to play the best guys that
Speaker 1: you've got, and you know you've been This has been
Speaker 1: a tough hand that has been dealt for them, and
Speaker 1: they dealt with it, you know, And now that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't all. I hate to and I'm not making
Speaker 1: light of injuries. And I get all that you want,
Speaker 1: I mean, be careful with guys, be healthy, But everybody
Speaker 1: else out there is dealing with something. I mean, Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins is probably gonna play this game with a bulging disc,
Speaker 1: And if Tyrant Smith plays, it'll be because they just
Speaker 1: duct tape him together and sending and you know he
Speaker 1: I mean, if he finds a way out there, that's herculean.
Speaker 1: That's amazing that he's got the pain tolerance to fight
Speaker 1: through everything that's been going on with him. So to
Speaker 1: hold back a fully healthy Ezekiel Elliot because you're worried
Speaker 1: about his hamstring now is not the time. I don't
Speaker 1: think if he can play, he can play. You know,
Speaker 1: in the past, we've seen him obviously he's gone through
Speaker 1: training camp, not really play much in the preseason, but
Speaker 1: then he gets in during the season and it takes
Speaker 1: him a couple of games to kind of get into
Speaker 1: that rhythm again. So I'm very curious to see how
Speaker 1: long it's gonna take him, even though he's been working
Speaker 1: out but still not playing football. Are you guys expecting
Speaker 1: him to? I mean, I expect that is true. He
Speaker 1: hasn't played great his first two games of the of
Speaker 1: the of the both seasons now in Seattle, the game
Speaker 1: that Romo got hurt, it was the first time he's
Speaker 1: really ever played, the first time he's ever played, and
Speaker 1: it was limited. But I thought he did a really
Speaker 1: nice job in that game. But you're right, it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see, of course. I'm just I
Speaker 1: feel like everyone is expecting, like, oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: gonna come in and I'm I'm not saying you guys,
Speaker 1: but from other people that I've heard it from us
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, he's gonna come in here and
Speaker 1: ball out. And my question is just thought, at whatever
Speaker 1: whatever stage you say he is right, is it still
Speaker 1: not better? And this is not a I'm not this
Speaker 1: isn't meant to be a dig at the other guys
Speaker 1: at Alfred and Rod. But the fact is, even with
Speaker 1: him not being at full max capacity, I think he's
Speaker 1: still better back than those two guys, is the way
Speaker 1: I would look at it. So whether he's at like
Speaker 1: completely rolling or not, I still think he has some
Speaker 1: some skill that maybe those two guys don't have. Guys
Speaker 1: agree with that, yes, very much. So even coming in that,
Speaker 1: I'm there's something to what you're saying. And I know
Speaker 1: his first two weeks as a rookie were less than amazing.
Speaker 1: He ran for a hundred yards against the Giants in
Speaker 1: Week one, like and I mean compared to what he
Speaker 1: can do, maybe that's not great. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of got into a swing where he was
Speaker 1: really playing amazing there down the stretch. But he can
Speaker 1: come in and be a one hundred yard rusher. He's
Speaker 1: done it before. He did it against the Giants, which
Speaker 1: at the start of the season you thought that was
Speaker 1: a super stout defense. It was. It was workmanlike, it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't amazing. Like I said, Yeah, he does seem
Speaker 1: like he gets better as the weeks go on, But
Speaker 1: I think he's more than capable of coming in cold
Speaker 1: as it were, and being an upgrade over these running backs.
Speaker 1: He should be. So let's move Well, let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about Tyren Smith. You brought him up, Dave,
Speaker 1: and he left the game this last game with an injury.
Speaker 1: He is he's been a guy that's that's obviously very tough.
Speaker 1: He plays through injury quite a bit this whole season.
Speaker 1: He hasn't being completely healthy really if you go back
Speaker 1: to last season, like, I don't think he was healthy
Speaker 1: a lot of last season and still played through it.
Speaker 1: My question for you guys is more of a big
Speaker 1: picture question. Are you starting to get to a point
Speaker 1: with Tyron where you have to start considering life after Tyron?
Speaker 1: And the reason why I asked that question, I know,
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, especially good offensive lineman, which he's proven to
Speaker 1: be really good, they can play into their mid thirties
Speaker 1: and be just as good and sustain it for a
Speaker 1: long time. The fact that he is having back issues though,
Speaker 1: and this is a second year in a row when
Speaker 1: he's having back issues, do you think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to have to start to consider, maybe even
Speaker 1: as soon as this offseason, thinking about what are contingencies
Speaker 1: for the future at left tackle, especially because right now
Speaker 1: I don't think they have really a long term answer
Speaker 1: as a swing tackle. I don't think he can make
Speaker 1: it through another full season. Really, I don't, just like
Speaker 1: ever again, I really don't think. I mean, he's great,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he can take a lot, But I just
Speaker 1: feel like it's getting to that point where I meant
Speaker 1: that Art Warriors might be coming up. Wow. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't push him there yet. Really twenty seven okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but does your body carry no? No, there, I mean there,
Speaker 1: there's something to that. But and at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, and it's I mean, first of all, it's
Speaker 1: it's so hard to project with injuries, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: for the obvious place that I go is I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: he needs to have surgery on something when the season's over.
Speaker 1: But like I don't know the specifics of injury. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it requires surgery. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's operable if it does, I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what needs to be done. So like you
Speaker 1: can say that and be totally wrong. So like I
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, but at the age of
Speaker 1: twenty seven, I have And he's played at such a
Speaker 1: high level, and at the end of the day, he's
Speaker 1: still only missed like five games in his career. Like
Speaker 1: everything that's happened, we'll see if he gets on the
Speaker 1: field against Seattle. It's too early to know that. But
Speaker 1: in light of everything that's happened. He's still only missed it.
Speaker 1: It was it two games this year or three? It
Speaker 1: was he missed Atlanta and Philly? Did he miss San
Speaker 1: Diego too? Or La? Sorry? So he missed two, and
Speaker 1: he missed two last year, and he missed one as
Speaker 1: a rookie. But does it not concern you that four
Speaker 1: of those five have happened in the last two seasons? Orse,
Speaker 1: it's concerning, But I'm not in a point where I'm
Speaker 1: ready to say retire. But let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: is it enough? Is it? Because they obviously have to
Speaker 1: address tackle, right, they gotta address that. Is it enough
Speaker 1: to get a really good, solid swing tackle, because then
Speaker 1: that gives you the ability to say, we want to
Speaker 1: continue with the greatness that is Tyrn Smith for as
Speaker 1: long as he can do it, which he still I
Speaker 1: mean he has. His play hasn't dropped off. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just been some injuries, and specifically the back
Speaker 1: is the one that makes me nervous. But do you
Speaker 1: think having just a good swing tackle protects you enough
Speaker 1: to where you could say, hey, we don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about him for the future. All we gotta do
Speaker 1: just get a good swing tackle. So that if he
Speaker 1: does miss a couple of games every year for the
Speaker 1: next five years and fourteen games we get a great
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith, then we're okay, Which goes back to my
Speaker 1: thought that Jonathan Cooper should be a very high priority
Speaker 1: for this team in my opinion, because he's played really well.
Speaker 1: I think he's mixing in with this line, and I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to predict, but I think he could be affordable.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that there's just gonna be this
Speaker 1: a major deal mark kind of thing. And so if
Speaker 1: you don't get that done, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: guard is a need on this team too. And you
Speaker 1: probably can't spend a valuable resource on guard and tackle
Speaker 1: in the same draft this year with everything else you need. Right,
Speaker 1: so it's sorry, I forget. You've got Lyle Collins who
Speaker 1: they signed to a two year deal, right So another yeah,
Speaker 1: and the way he's playing, he's gonna start oneting some
Speaker 1: money too. And you wonder if Tyrant's injury depends on
Speaker 1: how they look at it. Did they look at it like, man,
Speaker 1: he's kind of been banged. Ub let's make sure and
Speaker 1: definitely lock up Lyell, Or do you say Tyron's already
Speaker 1: locked up, and you know it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: pay him and then also get that swing guy that
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So I don't know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what what happens here. I was just looking
Speaker 1: at his contract just and first time I've ever done it,
Speaker 1: because it's like a Tyron track. Yeah, that contract, like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in twenty years. I mean, but
Speaker 1: I was just looking at like the cap hit and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not really affordable to do that. It's about you're
Speaker 1: talking about a nineteen million dollar cap hit. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I wasn't suggesting at all that you make a move
Speaker 1: on Tyrn. I'm saying you have to make a move
Speaker 1: to protect yourself because are you starting to get to
Speaker 1: a point where you think, because it's a back, that
Speaker 1: this is something that might just be just for the
Speaker 1: sake of argument as well. All signed a two year extension,
Speaker 1: so he's under contract for two more seasons, which gives
Speaker 1: you time to not have to worry about It's not
Speaker 1: a lot can change unto you years. So that's and
Speaker 1: that's if it, you know, all things being equal, I
Speaker 1: would love to I mean get tiring right, whatever that
Speaker 1: entails I don't think he needs to retire at the
Speaker 1: age of twenty seven. I love when Amber just kind
Speaker 1: of throws it. I wasn't even thinking that you went
Speaker 1: all the way over there the other way, because some
Speaker 1: people think that you're just made out of iron and
Speaker 1: like you can just keep going at it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had my back hurt nowhere near to what these
Speaker 1: guys go through, and I know how much that sucks,
Speaker 1: and I know how tough and how big, and all
Speaker 1: the training they get and all the medical help and
Speaker 1: all that, but there are certain things that you just
Speaker 1: can't make it better. It just keeps deteriorating, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: we don't And that's the thing, Like, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the problem that we don't know enough about his back
Speaker 1: and what the actual condition is to know if this
Speaker 1: is something that's a continuing deteriorating thing or just something
Speaker 1: that he's just had bad luck the last two years,
Speaker 1: and it'll with rest, it'll all go away and he'll
Speaker 1: be fine to start back fresh. You know what rhymes
Speaker 1: with iron, Tyron Byron. Actually I like Tyron. It's all
Speaker 1: things being equal, I would love to bring Jonathan Cooper
Speaker 1: back to this team at a reasonable price, like Nate
Speaker 1: over there, like it all goes back to left guard
Speaker 1: because it goes back to left guards because left guard
Speaker 1: take care of left guard. It frees you up to
Speaker 1: draft a swing tackle. It frees you up to bolster
Speaker 1: that position. You're not you're done with Chaz Green. I'm
Speaker 1: not done with him, but I don't want him to
Speaker 1: be the guy going. I mean, he's under contract for
Speaker 1: one more year. I don't see any reason why you
Speaker 1: need to just cut him. It's not like he's this
Speaker 1: expensive dude, and he can come in and compete and
Speaker 1: maybe get a spot on your line. But it would
Speaker 1: be a mistake to go into twenty eighteen with him
Speaker 1: being your third tackle. And Byron Bells, he's a free
Speaker 1: agent when the year's over, so he might be your
Speaker 1: guard if Cooper goes free agency. I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: the end of the world. I think Cooper's played pretty
Speaker 1: really well, So I don't want to have to draft
Speaker 1: a starting in the draft if I need to bolster
Speaker 1: that tackle spot. And like I said, I don't think
Speaker 1: you can do both. Considering that you need a linebacker
Speaker 1: and a safety, and you might need pass rush help,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, wide receiver and running back, depth, and whatever
Speaker 1: the hell else. So if you're going to spend a
Speaker 1: premium pick on a tackle, you kind of got to
Speaker 1: do some other stuff to shore the rest of that up.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think this year, although the Cowboys tend
Speaker 1: to kind of shy away from doing too much in
Speaker 1: free free agency, all the areas where you can pinpoints
Speaker 1: say they could use some help here, it just seems
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be hard to fill all those gaps
Speaker 1: in the draft. Yeah, well, but I mean you can
Speaker 1: do You can help yourself a lot by just signing
Speaker 1: your own. Like I don't think Jonathan Cooper would break
Speaker 1: the bank. I like, I'm just s neither, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't think well, I well, I you know, David
Speaker 1: Irving and DeMarcus Lawrence will be expensive. But there are mechanicisms,
Speaker 1: Butcher that mechanisms in place, mechanisms, yeah, to help you
Speaker 1: hold onto them, so like you can do it. And
Speaker 1: actually I was looking at it today, I think it's
Speaker 1: Spowtrack has this awesome thing now where like you can
Speaker 1: actually manipulate the roster. You're like, all right, let me
Speaker 1: restructure this guy, let me cut this guy, Like how
Speaker 1: does this song so let me ask you this question though,
Speaker 1: But if you take I know, obviously the franchise tag
Speaker 1: becomes an option for Lawrence, but you can't franchise both
Speaker 1: him and and David Irvan Ken, you know, but David
Speaker 1: is restricted. I was just restricted this year, So you
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about really doing a lot with him.
Speaker 1: You just put an offer and decide what type of
Speaker 1: tender you want to put on him first, probably first
Speaker 1: or second round. Yeah, and if you lose him, then
Speaker 1: you get some adequate compensation, right, and if more than that,
Speaker 1: if nobody matches, then you got him. I think I
Speaker 1: think about this, If you feel really good team signed
Speaker 1: him for and you lost you and you got a
Speaker 1: second round pick, a late second round pick, you can
Speaker 1: be happy about that just because you know. That's why
Speaker 1: I would put a first up. Yeah. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to put a first But how much money
Speaker 1: are we talking? Difference? That matters, right, big difference. But
Speaker 1: I think that a late first round pick, twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty eight, whatever, for David Irving, I think he'd be
Speaker 1: okay with. Don't you know you're saying if he goes
Speaker 1: to a team that's yeah, and those teams aren't going
Speaker 1: to do that now. Second though, I would for a
Speaker 1: second if I had a late second round pick and
Speaker 1: I'm a good football team, but I need some help
Speaker 1: right there, I would, But you know that's the option too,
Speaker 1: Like if it's another team that's earlier in the second
Speaker 1: round that does it. Do you feel good about that?
Speaker 1: But again, they're probably not gonna do that, So you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta put a tender on it. That I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really are okay about losing him. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a unique player that has come on. He just
Speaker 1: keeps getting better. Seems like you can get him back
Speaker 1: on the field. I would not part ways with him,
Speaker 1: but I will say this, he does have even last
Speaker 1: year and last year and this year, he's had spells
Speaker 1: where he just kind of wasn't wasn't on the he
Speaker 1: wasn't getting the sacks that that you wanted from him.
Speaker 1: Like you'll have some games where it's just like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, they can't block David Irving, and then they'll
Speaker 1: have other games it's like did David Irving play? You know?
Speaker 1: So that also has to factor in two when you
Speaker 1: think about how much you want to offer him, right honestly,
Speaker 1: I think they need to get a different scheme in here.
Speaker 1: They just I don't really feel like he's a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I still think he should be playing end, and that
Speaker 1: happens with tackles. They get lost for a little bit.
Speaker 1: You don't hear much about him because you can get blocked.
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with that. I would play him
Speaker 1: an end. I think three four end or four three end? Wow,
Speaker 1: that that decision is based on what you want to
Speaker 1: do with linebacker? Yeah, what where you think? Jaylen Smith?
Speaker 1: And on that? I mean, yeah, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I don't think. I don't think you got
Speaker 1: the personnel for three four you have, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think they have a three to four personnel
Speaker 1: or Now I thought about this. You said they needed
Speaker 1: a new scheme. I was just wondering, that's you're right.
Speaker 1: I said that. It's a nice way of saying they
Speaker 1: need to get a new coordinator. But I really like
Speaker 1: the guy. I think they get a need a different
Speaker 1: coordinator in here. I did say scheme, That's what I said.
Speaker 1: Flipping to three four would screw I mean, now I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. I mean, start thinking like how many
Speaker 1: guys do you have they could play three four? Like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna talk about the secondary too much, but
Speaker 1: just your linebackers in your front four. I mean, you
Speaker 1: got guys like you got, You got guys that could
Speaker 1: play inside linebacker, like Sean Lee and Jalen Smith could play.
Speaker 1: You could play in there. Right, They're kind of small
Speaker 1: for three four inside linebackers. Don't you think think Jayalen
Speaker 1: Smith actually could be an outside baby linebacker? I really do.
Speaker 1: And I would put hitch to Lee in there. I
Speaker 1: think he got Crawford definitely defensive, is a defensive ending.
Speaker 1: He's probably better there than than an outside force three.
Speaker 1: I would agree Leek, I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with him. Probably probably
Speaker 1: have to play. I mean David or David Irvan would
Speaker 1: be an end. He would be an end, but he
Speaker 1: could play nose too if he bulked up. Maybe, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't That sounds like a nightmare to me,
Speaker 1: trying to flift this personnel to change. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take our first break. We come back. I want
Speaker 1: to take a little bigger picture and talk through some
Speaker 1: of these playoffs. Scenarios. I know it's left, but we
Speaker 1: certainly have to talk about it and talk about how
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, or at least the path that the Cowboys
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Speaker 1: This is talking Cowboys. Nope, it's not welcome back the
Speaker 1: edition of the Break Back to the Break. There there
Speaker 1: we go is the break? Did that hurt your feelings? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't. Okay, it's weird having y'all after talking. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. It's it's weird Russ being in here.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like they should start that way rather
Speaker 1: than be in the middle of many You know what
Speaker 1: else is weird but having a wedgie with Tommy John
Speaker 1: because they just say that it just doesn't happen. It
Speaker 1: doesn't if you have to having me John, You're not
Speaker 1: going to have a wedgie. Have you ever experienced that
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Speaker 1: been reading those all year and I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing If you suffer a wedgie in
Speaker 1: your deme. That's an interesting way to put it, to
Speaker 1: suffer a wedge, Well, it is like there's damages. It's
Speaker 1: from Tommy Johns Daniel. Can I help you? Yeah, suffering
Speaker 1: at a wedgie? And what do I do? You know
Speaker 1: how your skin kind of burns a little bit. I'm
Speaker 1: a move on. Yeah, bad weggie, Like that's a really
Speaker 1: bad wedgie. Forward slash Cowboys slash no Wedgies. I did
Speaker 1: talking last week and they just did the read and
Speaker 1: that was it zing And that's why our ratings are better.
Speaker 1: We get hung up on their wedd to talk for
Speaker 1: like five minutes a day. Kurt Daniels was reading it
Speaker 1: for the Hanging with the Boys and it was just
Speaker 1: disgre was it? And then they're what you would get
Speaker 1: another guy to do our read? Is it our read guy? Perhaps?
Speaker 1: Maybe fine with passing that over all? Right, let's talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about the big picture here. Cowboys are
Speaker 1: still alive in the playoffs. They get their third straight
Speaker 1: win last week and now need to win out. They
Speaker 1: need two more wins and need a couple other things
Speaker 1: that happen their way. I thought for a second there
Speaker 1: last night that possibly the gods would smile on them
Speaker 1: and Atlanta would actually take a loss, which would have
Speaker 1: gone a long way toward helping the Cowboys. But thanks
Speaker 1: a lot Chubby Raff and Tampa. Yeah, guy drop the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't drop that, if he doesn't fall on
Speaker 1: his face trying to set the ball up. What happens,
Speaker 1: Jamis probably moves him eight to ten yards closer. And
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not saying it's his fault, but my guy
Speaker 1: had to kick from fifty five and it's possible. Or
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Jamis throws it to a guy who
Speaker 1: can't get out of bout That's kind of what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. Or maybe he throws it to the other teams.
Speaker 1: You know what. That didn't happen, so I can complain
Speaker 1: about it to Mike Evans, who goes up and gets
Speaker 1: the ball, And does he get an opium not in
Speaker 1: this case, you gotta those, But cowboys don't get that
Speaker 1: help from the Atlanta Falcon. So here's what's kind of
Speaker 1: left in front of the Cowboys. Of course, they have
Speaker 1: to win out if they have any sights on the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but they also need at this point Detroit to lose
Speaker 1: a game. Detroit now has to play Cincinnati this week
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, and then they'll finish the season against Green
Speaker 1: Bay at home. Don't know if it'll be with Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers or without. I think that to me is very
Speaker 1: likely not because it winning last night eliminated, right, So
Speaker 1: we'll see what green Bay does. They may also be like, hey,
Speaker 1: he's missed most of the season. We want to play him,
Speaker 1: he wants to play, We're gonna play right anyway. That'll
Speaker 1: be what's in front of the Detroit Lions. Cowboys need
Speaker 1: them to lose once and then they need one of
Speaker 1: these NFC NFC South teams, whether that be Carolina, New
Speaker 1: Orleans or Atlanta, one of those teams has to lose out.
Speaker 1: They got to lose both games here. That sounds like
Speaker 1: a daunting task, But when you start looking at how
Speaker 1: they all play each other. New Orleans and Atlanta played
Speaker 1: this weekend. Carolina and Atlanta finished the season against one another,
Speaker 1: there's at least some possibility that this could line up
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys as they wanted to its New Orleans
Speaker 1: if they lose two or they are also out. I
Speaker 1: mean from this, okay, so basic. Any one of them
Speaker 1: lose toser of this next game between the Saints and
Speaker 1: the Falcons has to lose again. That's exactly it. That's
Speaker 1: really the lynch pin is if you just assume at
Speaker 1: this point, if you assume at this point because Carolina
Speaker 1: won last week against Green Bay, at this point you
Speaker 1: can just say, hey, keep winning like or if they
Speaker 1: happen to lose this week, it sets up a really
Speaker 1: nice scenario because if they lose and Atlanta loose, then
Speaker 1: you know one of them has to take a second
Speaker 1: loss in the final week of the season. When they
Speaker 1: played Carolina play this week, Carolina will play Tampa Bay. Hey,
Speaker 1: they pushed Atlanta into the brink last night. I think
Speaker 1: Carolina is a better team though, I think than Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's at Carolina, correct, Yeah, So that that to me
Speaker 1: seems like the less likely scenario. I think the harder
Speaker 1: part here is trying to see number one, can Atlanta Loo?
Speaker 1: Can you get New Orleans to win, which I think
Speaker 1: you can at home? And then it sets up a
Speaker 1: scenario where Atlanta has to be Carolina. Who do the
Speaker 1: Saints play in the last game? New Orleans will be
Speaker 1: playing Tampa Bay. So Tampa Bay is the last few
Speaker 1: games the season. Tampa Bay's gotta win one the Cowboys
Speaker 1: three straight weeks and right the holes it's with the
Speaker 1: they set it up odd I mean, I know the
Speaker 1: NFL favors Division games to end the season, but they
Speaker 1: did a whole South round robin in the last three weeks.
Speaker 1: Like that's they're all. I kind of like, I wish
Speaker 1: they would do that more in all the division a
Speaker 1: little bit. That's what we want to do. We want
Speaker 1: to go to New New York and then Philly and
Speaker 1: then Washed Yes, all in December. Absolutely, that would be fun.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, it's it's annoying right now, especially
Speaker 1: because one of those teams gets Tampa every single week
Speaker 1: of the year. But yeah, right, the odds are not good.
Speaker 1: But it's I mean, and I mean, then you're right,
Speaker 1: the NFC South thing sounds easier to me, Like that's
Speaker 1: not the problem. The problem is that a pretty good
Speaker 1: Detroit team with a very good quarterback is faced with whatever,
Speaker 1: I mean, better than most better than I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Nick. I agree with you. You're playing
Speaker 1: You're playing a Yeah, he's yeah, he's good either whatever,
Speaker 1: even if you only think he's eye. He's playing a
Speaker 1: Bengals team that does not appear to have any interest
Speaker 1: in playing any more football, especially now that the reports
Speaker 1: out that their coaches. Yeah, that's exactly why they're gonna
Speaker 1: play inspired football. They're going to win that game. Where
Speaker 1: is it? I don't know if they think that he's
Speaker 1: leaving one more like it's definitely, it's definitely possible. But
Speaker 1: you look at it, I mean, like it's funny because
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago, I was like, ah, Detroit, Like
Speaker 1: you can't count on Detroit. I'm not worried about them,
Speaker 1: but that Bengals team has looked atrocious ever since they
Speaker 1: lost to the Steelers. And then I would be shocked
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers plays that game, which I believe is
Speaker 1: at Ford Field to end the season. So I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, anything's possible, don't get me wrong, but a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff has to line up the right way.
Speaker 1: It's just it's gonna come down the Cowboys I think
Speaker 1: will beat Seattle. I really do it. And it'll be
Speaker 1: a tough game, but I think that they will win.
Speaker 1: It'll come down to the Sunday game, the last game
Speaker 1: of the season, and they have three things that have
Speaker 1: to happen. They have to win against the Eagles, Detroit
Speaker 1: will have to lose to Green Bay, and whoever lost
Speaker 1: that game between Atlanta and Carolina, probably Atlanta are the Samets.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be Atlanta. Atlanta will have to lose to Carolina.
Speaker 1: Like that's what's gonna come down to, like three things
Speaker 1: gotta happen for you, which and I personally think two
Speaker 1: of those things will happen. I'm with Dave. I don't
Speaker 1: think Detroit, I don't think Rogers play. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: the wrong audience, but this sounds really familiar. So like
Speaker 1: in in UM, in FIFA, in international soccer, they purposefully
Speaker 1: set up these elimination rounds to start and end at
Speaker 1: the same time, so that like you don't one hundred
Speaker 1: percent know what's going so like you know, you can't
Speaker 1: scoreboard watch, you just have to play your game. I
Speaker 1: could easily see that being something in week seventeen where
Speaker 1: like you know, the Cowboys and Lions kick off at
Speaker 1: the same time, and like, you know, all crap, the
Speaker 1: Lions are down ten, but the Cowboys are down to
Speaker 1: it like it could be, And I honest, honestly believe
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep all those games at noon and I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna probably flex the Carolina Atlanta game or
Speaker 1: something like that, that that will be the kind of
Speaker 1: game that you want to have last because you don't
Speaker 1: because that's going to dictate everything else, right, So I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna make that the last goals at four
Speaker 1: thirty East you go, and then you're sitting there watching
Speaker 1: like because if you're not, that's the best way. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about fans. I'm talking about fans. If you're looking
Speaker 1: at ratings, you're saying, give me the game that's gonna
Speaker 1: determine everything at the end of the night, so that
Speaker 1: I could see the game early. I know if my
Speaker 1: team has a shot, and then I'm watching that game
Speaker 1: from a Cowboys see what happened? Can you imagine? Because
Speaker 1: they don't give us Wi Fi on these flights for
Speaker 1: those of y'all at home, so I don't know that
Speaker 1: we wouldn't land, but you imagine firing up your phone
Speaker 1: when you get back to Dallas, just like well, we
Speaker 1: in the playoffs are not like that sounds for good.
Speaker 1: Oh we got Wildfire's one guy that walks around that
Speaker 1: tells everybody this stuff. I don't know if he's talking
Speaker 1: to the captain or I don't know what's happening, will
Speaker 1: be good. We got wil walks around and he'll be like,
Speaker 1: it'll just it'll just be like a wildfire black the play.
Speaker 1: But but but if we're still aunt know, and it really
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter because we'd be back before that night game's over. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they flexed to the night. They flex Dallas. There's no way.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, no way, There's definitely a way.
Speaker 1: The only way they I think the only way they
Speaker 1: flex Dallas is if you get into a situation where
Speaker 1: you know, the scenario we talked about earlier day where
Speaker 1: we all laughed, where basically all four of those things
Speaker 1: you need to happen this weekend happen to where you're
Speaker 1: playing to get in, then they flex Dallas. If all
Speaker 1: you gotta do is win and get in next weekend,
Speaker 1: they will flex Dallas. If it's not that, then again,
Speaker 1: I think they want the game that decides every because
Speaker 1: it could end up if they flex Dallas and they
Speaker 1: still need all these other things that happen. Let's say
Speaker 1: earlier today, all those things don't happen. Now you got
Speaker 1: a night game that nobody really cares about because it's meaningless.
Speaker 1: Don't write off team trying to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: They're fiercest, right of all trying to keep them out.
Speaker 1: Not only not only that, but Philly hasn't locked up
Speaker 1: home field either, So you could be playing a game
Speaker 1: where the Eagles are trying to get the one seed
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are trying to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: I still think Carolina Atlanta is a more compelling game,
Speaker 1: but if you give those two fan bases reason to watch,
Speaker 1: the ratings could yes, but that could all be done
Speaker 1: by the time you get to the games. What I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. You just don't know, like you
Speaker 1: want the game at the end of night to be
Speaker 1: the one that decides everything else, because then everybody has
Speaker 1: you know. You know what I can't wait and it'll
Speaker 1: happen next week is when we get to the point
Speaker 1: we're we're moving on from that and now we're starting
Speaker 1: to figure out who do you want to face and
Speaker 1: others you can say, who do you want to draft? No,
Speaker 1: so you're like you're just all in. You're like on
Speaker 1: this train's got no breaks. You're just like, yeah, who
Speaker 1: do we want to say? Didn't you say that a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, you were like, they're getting in
Speaker 1: the playoffs if they go ten and six, if they
Speaker 1: go from five and six to ten and six, they're
Speaker 1: getting in. What are you gonna do if they don't
Speaker 1: sit here and say I was wrong for the first
Speaker 1: time his offseason? What do you think I mean? I
Speaker 1: just the league is set up, and go go find
Speaker 1: a bunch of ten and six teams that didn't get in.
Speaker 1: They exists. It happens there will be a ten and
Speaker 1: sixteen this season. I think that don't game. It might
Speaker 1: be Dallas, and then they'll go back and you'll pinpoint
Speaker 1: that one game that they could they should have won,
Speaker 1: and it'll probably be Packers Packers because the Packers is
Speaker 1: that loss is the reason you're gonna be out. If
Speaker 1: you go ten and six, you lose the tiebreaker to Detroit.
Speaker 1: The only reason Detroit wins the tiebreakers because they've beaten
Speaker 1: the Packers and you didn't. Honestly, I know we've talked
Speaker 1: like we've set that all season. The game I still
Speaker 1: look back at and say, is is Denver? And not
Speaker 1: because the game was so close, but because there's no
Speaker 1: there's nothing that to me suggests the Cowboys should have
Speaker 1: gone up there and gotten their butts looked like they did.
Speaker 1: That team is not that good, you know What's we
Speaker 1: all have a different opinion here, because actually, even as
Speaker 1: close as the Rams and Packers games were the one
Speaker 1: that I want back as Atlanta because it's it's I
Speaker 1: can't wrap my brain around this, it's so crazy. Just
Speaker 1: swap them, give them a loss to Oakland and a
Speaker 1: win against Atlanta, exact same record. They're in such a
Speaker 1: better spot. You're right, They've got one more conference win,
Speaker 1: they've got a head to head win against a team
Speaker 1: that's in the playoff race. And I don't know this
Speaker 1: for sure, but if they had a win against Atlanta
Speaker 1: and they were eight and six right now, I think
Speaker 1: all they'd have to do is win out. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, well, no, yeah, because they would have the
Speaker 1: head to head, would have Detroit because yeah, right, that
Speaker 1: so yeah, I would like that. I would like that
Speaker 1: Atlanta win back. Well, you know, but that one had
Speaker 1: no chance. I mean, maybe Chip, maybe Chip Adrian Clayborne.
Speaker 1: But let's let's less like this approach. Though. If you
Speaker 1: take all those teams that we just mentioned and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys will played that exact same team with
Speaker 1: the exact same personnel, both teams have the exact same personnel,
Speaker 1: and they played it ten times, how many which of
Speaker 1: those teams you think the Cowboys would have gotten the
Speaker 1: best of most of the times. That's why I say
Speaker 1: Denver that was a missed opportunity because I think if
Speaker 1: the Cowboys played Denver ten times, I think they would
Speaker 1: have won at it differently more than half of the time.
Speaker 1: I look at different How many plays need to go
Speaker 1: differently to beat the Broncos that day? I would say
Speaker 1: how many plays against against the Packers? Like Dave harped
Speaker 1: on it forever, if you don't throw the ball there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that quarterback, that quarterback as we've seen before, Oh,
Speaker 1: it takes his one like it doesn't matter. He's so good.
Speaker 1: He would have even when you play a really good game,
Speaker 1: it just takes him making one play and they win
Speaker 1: the ball game. I mean they wouldn't have had They
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had time. They wouldn't have had time to
Speaker 1: beat you. They might have had time to tie you,
Speaker 1: but they didn't have time to beat you. And then
Speaker 1: they tie you and take you over. Time take your
Speaker 1: chances and even going toe to toe with him. I
Speaker 1: don't know whatever what could have been, man. But you know, okay,
Speaker 1: I always say this when we're talking about like they
Speaker 1: should this and this game of this loss in this lost,
Speaker 1: it always flips around. The weird part is is that
Speaker 1: you typically don't have a team that's eight and six
Speaker 1: that's only had one close win all year. That's shocking
Speaker 1: every This was the first time they had won a
Speaker 1: game less than double digits. That's weird. Maybe that an
Speaker 1: average football team is either you're either winning by a
Speaker 1: comfortable margin or not. I would and I said this
Speaker 1: to you when you brought that up, like I'll throw
Speaker 1: at Washington in there. I mean that's a little bit
Speaker 1: of I mean they were up six in crunch time
Speaker 1: and then they get a pick six to make it
Speaker 1: look could you watch that game like that game felt
Speaker 1: like a thirteen point game. I mean, Washington just scored
Speaker 1: late to kind of get it to that point. I
Speaker 1: was watching like I was watching that like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like this could be troublesome here when I mean when
Speaker 1: that drive started, I'm like, yeah, you never know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I don't know why. Weird I
Speaker 1: wasn't that worried about that, even though they were they
Speaker 1: had the ball, and they had the ball with a
Speaker 1: chance to go win the game. I get they were
Speaker 1: up seven because Washington missed the extra point, but Washington
Speaker 1: was still in position to tie the game with less
Speaker 1: than four. And I think I was with you, Dave.
Speaker 1: I think I was a little bit still worried, like
Speaker 1: I don't know how to Byron Jones sealed the game,
Speaker 1: sure did, so. Talk about your boy Jeff Heath after
Speaker 1: that game, Like, there were a lot of little moments
Speaker 1: from that game where I thought Jeff Heath played well
Speaker 1: and that you know, that's one thing you always say
Speaker 1: this Nick, Like, he's a guy that is a playmaker.
Speaker 1: He will make some plays for you, he will make
Speaker 1: some plays for the other team, but he is a
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a playmaking safety. I mean,
Speaker 1: most of his career he's had like these moments where
Speaker 1: he makes these plays. There are some moments that are
Speaker 1: bad too, But I actually think I prefer that to
Speaker 1: a guy like Byron where you don't really get the plays,
Speaker 1: the big plays that kind of change games. Right at
Speaker 1: four plays in his career where he's looked really bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is, this is I could be missing
Speaker 1: some but the ones that everyone talks about. He did
Speaker 1: not out jump Calvin Johnson for the ball. He's not
Speaker 1: that Okay, he did not outjump Jimmy Graham for the ball.
Speaker 1: He's not the first. He got carried into the end
Speaker 1: zone pretty much by Adrian Peterson. He's not the first.
Speaker 1: And he didn't make an open field tackle against Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1: He's won't the first or last there. He he has
Speaker 1: had some plays, like a lot of safeties due which
Speaker 1: what are those of those four what are the first
Speaker 1: three have in common? They're all beast mode players and
Speaker 1: they're all from his rookie kie. Yeah, those three except
Speaker 1: for the girly. No, and that's three. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to convince anybody Jeff Heaths and all pro.
Speaker 1: But give him his due, YEA, give him his due
Speaker 1: like he's earned it. I mean, and you're right, he's
Speaker 1: he's got a nose for the football. I I I
Speaker 1: think you. And that's the thing that always annoys me,
Speaker 1: like everything's got to be black or white, like all
Speaker 1: this or all that, Like Jeff Heath can be an
Speaker 1: underrated player with a nose for the ball and you
Speaker 1: can still not feel great about the Cowboys safety position.
Speaker 1: Like you can feel both of those ways. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be either or you know. All right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys join us. We got in the show
Speaker 1: a little early today. We're back at our normal time tomorrow,
Speaker 1: nine thirty am Central. We'll have more Cowboys talk for you.
Speaker 1: We'll get into a little talk on the Seahawks till
Speaker 1: then for Nick, even Dave, hellmant amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleton.
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