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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball. So super weird game, insanely physical,

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Speaker 2: Like I thought Draymond said it perfectly legal playoff screen.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, Thompson just got caught off guard, bike

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Speaker 2: I thought Steph showed his first signs of some wear

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Speaker 2: a team. The Rocket shot forty eight percent from three.

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Speaker 2: So just an unbelievable offensive avalanche from the Calves in

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Speaker 2: most of their position groups, but they play a very

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Speaker 2: similar style. They did give the Calves some issues at

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Speaker 2: times this year, so I'm just really interested to see

435
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Speaker 2: how the Calves look in that matchup. The Knicks, obviously,

436
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: from this Pistons team have been forced to improve on

437
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Speaker 2: both ends of the floor over the course of the series,

438
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Speaker 2: as they've diversified their offense and had to get stops

439
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Speaker 2: in big moments late in games that they've been able

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Speaker 2: to get. Calves are Calves, Pacers and Nick Celtics is

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Speaker 2: gonna be a really fun second round in the Eastern Conference.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna wait until we get to the conference finals

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Speaker 2: before I make any sort of pick there, but I

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Speaker 2: am dangerously close to picking Cleveland. They're just playing at

445
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Speaker 2: such an insanely high level. And when you look at

446
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Speaker 2: like and again, I know guys were out of the

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Speaker 2: lineup for Boston in the last win that the Calves had,

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Speaker 2: but the way that the Celtics jumped them by like

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Speaker 2: twenty in the first quarter, and the Calves just chewed

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Speaker 2: them up and spit them out over the rest of

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Speaker 2: the game, just by playing with pace and just driving

452
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Speaker 2: and kicking them to death. The Calves literally in this

453
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Speaker 2: first round made one of the most tough and disciplined

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Speaker 2: organizations in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Quit. They literally quit.

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Speaker 2: The Cats destroyed them. They led by sixty today in

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Speaker 2: a playoff game. They're playing some special basketball and I

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Speaker 2: am very much taking notice, and I'm gonna be paying

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Speaker 2: very close attention as we had into that second round series.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get into our mail bag. For about

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Speaker 2: ten to fifteen minutes before we get out here today.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. Let's do it. Mailbag time.

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Speaker 1: Everyone, Please ask your mailbag questions in the chat and

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Speaker 1: we will get to.

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Speaker 4: The best ones.

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Speaker 1: First one, is it sustainable for Steph Curry to play

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Speaker 1: this many minutes?

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of talk surrounding this in the

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Speaker 2: in the entirety of the playoff field, different guys getting

470
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Speaker 2: pushed crazy minute totals, and whether or not guys are

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Speaker 2: conditioned or ready for it. And quite frankly, in this

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Speaker 2: first round setup, with all the extra days off, I

473
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: don't really have much of a problem with it. I

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Speaker 2: think he can get a little harry once you start

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Speaker 2: getting into a second, third round series where you start

476
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Speaker 2: playing every other day. But like I look at it

477
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 2: like this, Steph is wearing down a little bit, so

478
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: is everybody. These playoffs are extremely physical. The most important

479
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: thing you can do is end a series early. And

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Speaker 2: so I actually think it's more important to play an

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Speaker 2: extra three to four minutes here or there and end

482
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Speaker 2: of series and five than it is to cut minutes

483
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Speaker 2: down but then have to play an entire additional game,

484
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Speaker 2: an entire different especially when you get later in the series,

485
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Speaker 2: and the travel schedule gets crazier as you go back

486
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: and forth, like game four, Game five, Game six, Game

487
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Speaker 2: seven are all in different cities, so like it can

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Speaker 2: get really tough at that point. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: valuable I think it's a worthwhile risk to try to

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Speaker 2: end a series early.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 1: And even though it does feel like Steph was wearing

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Speaker 1: down physically a little bit in this game and from

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Speaker 1: this series. This is also why Steve Kerr doesn't play

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Speaker 1: him forty minutes a game in the regular season. This

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Speaker 1: is literally why, right, Like he feels more comfortab and

497
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: Steph I'm sure I feel I'm sure that it's a

498
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: two way street. They both feel more comfortable being able

499
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Speaker 1: to do this in the playoffs because he's not playing

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Speaker 1: whatever it is, thirty two minutes a game in the

501
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Speaker 1: regular season as opposed to Jalen Brunson playing thirty nine. Right,

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Speaker 1: that is part of the equation if you're the Golden

503
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Speaker 1: State Warriors.

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Speaker 2: And for the record, there's no proven harder fast rule,

505
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Speaker 2: Like people disagree about it. Talk to Tom Thibodeau, see

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Speaker 2: what he says, you know what I mean, And there's

507
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Speaker 2: so like think of it like this if you're let's

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Speaker 2: take Steve Kerr versus like JJ Reddick and some of

509
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Speaker 2: Steve Kerr's philosophy over the years, Like do you remember

510
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Speaker 2: when Steve Kerr took Steph out for a brief stretch

511
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the fourth quarter in Game three

512
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Speaker 2: and you could tell Steph looked at him like, why

513
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Speaker 2: are you taking me out? And you I obviously I

514
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Speaker 2: am not a lip reader, but it looked like Steve

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Speaker 2: Kerr kind of leaned into him and said like, hey,

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Speaker 2: just get a quick breather here so that you can

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Speaker 2: come in and close the deal. And so again, there's

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Speaker 2: two different ways to look at it. There's the JJ

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00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Reddick Tom Thibodeau type of style, where it's like, all

520
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Speaker 2: we have to do is survive this game when we

521
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Speaker 2: get this extra time off, these are my guys. I

522
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Speaker 2: trust these guys. Let's ride him through to the finish line.

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Speaker 2: And then there's the Steve Kerr approach, which is like,

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Speaker 2: if Steph is closer to one hundred percent of his

525
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: ability for five minutes, do we have a better chance

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Speaker 2: of winning the game than Steph being at eighty three

527
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Speaker 2: percent of his ability for seven minutes In a fourth quarter,

528
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Speaker 2: and I feel like he's constantly kind of weighing that balance,

529
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Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's a lot of times

530
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Speaker 2: it's a judgment call based on how the game's going,

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Speaker 2: Like if the bench group is struggling, he might pull

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Speaker 2: the trigger a little bit earlier. It's in that game three,

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Speaker 2: I think Steve literally was thinking, like, we're kind of

534
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Speaker 2: in control here. We can afford to buy Steph a

535
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Speaker 2: minute or two so that he has a chance to rest.

536
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Speaker 2: But it's always complicated, and there are conflicting ideologies, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of it is just playing the results. Like

538
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Speaker 2: if the Knicks lose a game and they look tired,

539
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Speaker 2: everyone's going to call Tom Thibdau an idiot. After game four,

540
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: everyone calls JJ Redick an idiot. But if it works

541
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, there are geniuses, and so a

542
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Speaker 2: lot of it's just playing the results.

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Speaker 1: Next question, what were your thoughts on Trace Jackson Davis

544
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Speaker 1: getting some run today in general, but also specifically over

545
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kamena.

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Speaker 2: It was typically to guard Shangoon, and it's a really

547
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Speaker 2: tough spot for Trace to get put in because he

548
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: literally hasn't played and you have to go guard the

549
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: guy on the other team that's in like full rhythm,

550
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Speaker 2: who like guys like This is not a revelation for Shangun.

551
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Speaker 2: Shangun has been kicking people's asses all year. Ye I.

552
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Speaker 2: I joke on the show that he's been like the

553
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Speaker 2: winner of my Like Film Session award for the guy

554
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Speaker 2: that most frequently has to be watching the film, like,

555
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Speaker 2: holy shit, he's kicking his ass like Shanggun is an

556
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Speaker 2: ass kicker. Like he he is a very good player.

557
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Speaker 2: If you can't match up with him physically, and Post

558
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: was getting cooked, they needed to buy a few minutes.

559
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Speaker 2: It was worth the try. It didn't work out, but

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Speaker 2: I mean it is what it is. I don't blame

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Speaker 2: Trace though, because he got put in a really tough spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the answer why over Jonathan

563
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: Kminga is Jonathan Minga was bad in Game three, like

564
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Speaker 1: actually a detriment I would, I would say to their

565
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: team in his minutes and Draymond was in a foul trouble.

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Speaker 1: He Trace isn't playing if Draymond's not in a foul trouble.

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Speaker 1: Another question, why aren't this the commentary? Why aren't Draymond

568
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: Green and Jimmy Butler looking to score more.

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Speaker 4: It feels like.

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Speaker 1: They passed up a couple open layups for kickouts to threes,

571
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Speaker 1: So a.

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Speaker 2: Couple things the uh Draymond I think needs to I

573
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: think Draymond's actually managed tonight offensively pretty well. Took a

574
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: handful of catching and shoot threes, didn't force the issue.

575
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: I thought Jimmy's aggression was perfect in this game. His

576
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: aggression on that left corner three kind of a fifty

577
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 2: to fifty call. We joked about it before the show.

578
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 2: It was like, I personally disagreed with that call, but

579
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Speaker 2: at the same time, as always say, bad calls are

580
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Speaker 2: a part of basketball games are just kind of like

581
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: something that you just see. But like his aggression. They

582
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: went to him on that late ISO on the right wing,

583
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting when he took the left

584
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: shoulder fate that he ended up missing. I thought Jimmy's

585
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: aggression was fine as far as the rim decisions, Like

586
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Speaker 2: in a series this physical, there's a lot of misses

587
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Speaker 2: around the rim that are not leading to foul shots,

588
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: and so if you don't feel really good about your

589
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: chances of making the shot, you don't want to put

590
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Speaker 2: the outcome in the hand of the ref. Like, that's

591
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: the big issue with grifting that I have and why

592
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of it in the big picture.

593
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not. I have grifters on

594
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Speaker 2: the team that I root for, and the Warriors have

595
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 2: a grifter on their team. Like the downside to grifting

596
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: is you take control of the situation and you put

597
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 2: it in the hands of the official, whereas if you

598
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: function more as a shot maker, you put the control

599
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: of the situation into your hands. And so, honestly, like,

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Speaker 2: I think it was good that Jimmy wasn't trying to

601
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Speaker 2: just grift at the rim all game and that he

602
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: was trying to like make the kickout reads that were there,

603
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: because that keeps control of the situation in the hands

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00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: of the players.

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00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Draymond has talked about this before, which is

606
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Speaker 1: that I mean specifically with Steph Curry, but even in

607
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: general Buddy Healed, whoever you want to say of their

608
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: actual shooters, but he talks about Steph Curry where a

609
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: contested Steph Curry three point attempt is worth more than

610
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Speaker 1: a contested Draymond Green layup attempt. It's a better shot, period,

611
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: point blank, no matter what the context is surrounding those

612
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: two elements, right, And so if Draymond Green is not

613
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: gonna pass the layup, a wide open one off, a

614
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: fake handoff where the guy defense totally bites, right, But

615
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: is he is it in the team's best interest to

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Speaker 1: challenge Steven Adams, for example, who was in for long

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Speaker 1: stretch of the game in the second half at the rim.

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Speaker 4: Probably not. And he was blocking every and he was

619
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Speaker 4: blocking everything. He was a monster.

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Speaker 1: And especially when everyone on all parts of the defense

621
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Speaker 1: are allowed to be more physical than they've been. You know,

622
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: for eighty two games of the regular.

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Speaker 2: Season, Steph Curry guarded catch and shoot jump shot is

624
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: worth one point one points. So Draymond would have to

625
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: shoot fifty five percent at minimum on a contested layup

626
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: for that to be a worthwhile shot for the offense

627
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: and Draymond Green in let's see it, Draymond Green in

628
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: this series or in the season, Draymon's shooting fifty five

629
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Speaker 2: percent on layups, and so like it's like right there

630
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Speaker 2: to where like for Draymond, if he doesn't feel like

631
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: he's gonna make it, it's the right decision.

632
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 3: To keep it moving.

633
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: Also, there's there's everything is I'm I'm a big believer

634
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: in tracking data as an opportunity to gain advantage whenever

635
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: you have an opportunity. So like, yeah, like you should

636
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: track shot value and stuff like that, but the basketball

637
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: is way more art than science, as I always say.

638
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: And like, if you turn down one layup that is

639
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: worth roughly the same amount of points as a Steph

640
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: Curry contested three, but Steph gets another look that helps

641
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: him build rhythm that could potentially lead to a Steph

642
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: avalanche later on. Like you're investing, Like that's that's part

643
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: of the point guard position. Like you've got to invest

644
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: in the rhythm of your teammates over the course of games.

645
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: And like all of this stuff is intricately connected. And

646
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, there's a reason why there's a Warriors culture

647
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: that's like make the extra pass. Like, hey, buddy, this

648
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: is your teammate. Let me introduce to you. His name

649
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: is Steph or like you know, Jimmy Butler saying, hey,

650
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: don't ever dribble the ball, buddy, healed, because like they're

651
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: all working together to maximize this offensive system through their communication,

652
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: and like the best version of the Warriors is the

653
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: version of the Warriors you saw in game three and

654
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: in game one, which is when Steph Curry is When

655
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: Steph Curry is cooking, the other team literally gets like

656
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: emotionally demolished, and they like curl up within themselves and

657
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: every other warrior gets invigorated on defense and they just

658
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: become incredibly difficult to handle. It's been like that for

659
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: a decade. You got to invest in Steph as much

660
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: as possible as a shot.

661
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: Maker, huntrevercent.

662
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: Next question, in your experience, does trash talking? Does talking

663
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: trash to struggling players work? Trying to figure out why

664
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks keeps talking trash and quote unquote poking bears

665
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: before seemingly getting fried every time.

666
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: I so, I was never a trash talker in terms

667
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: of initiating stuff. I have been known to completely black

668
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: out if someone starts talking trash to me, and then

669
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 2: I turn into a huge asshole, and then I end

670
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: up having to apologize after the game's over because I

671
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: feel I get like overcome with guilt when the game

672
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: is over for being such an asshole. But like, I

673
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: can't speak for trash talking as an art because I've

674
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: only ever done it reactively in anger, as opposed to

675
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: like I've never been like a manipulative trash talker. I'm

676
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: much more of like guy state. I focused on what

677
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: I can control with my teammates, and I'm a big,

678
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: like teammate energy guy, like trying to help everybody on

679
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: my team stay confident and engaged on both ends of

680
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: the four throughout the game. But like I'm there's a

681
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: better person to ask that question too, I just don't

682
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: have much experience trying to manipulatively trash talk. But that said,

683
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: one thing I will say I have seen examples of

684
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: guys do that in at work, where a player succumbs

685
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: to it in the form of trying to get out

686
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: of the game and focus on just winning his individual matchup.

687
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: So like start to force the issue. I've also seen

688
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: guys like completely crumble in their confidence and fall apart.

689
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: So like I suppose it can work, But I've also

690
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: seen trash talkers get themselves out of whack by getting

691
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: too invested into trash talk situations, and like Draymond played

692
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: a dangerous game almost getting himself ejected today by getting

693
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: into a bunch of altercations. There was a play where

694
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler and Dylan Brooks were like talking shit to

695
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: each other at the fou and on the box out,

696
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler's hands ended up around Dylan Brooks's neck and

697
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: like had Dylan Brooks like thrown a hand and like

698
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: tried to hit him back or something, that could have

699
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: immediately gone into a full on like scrum, but Dylan

700
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: just fell down and it ended up just being a

701
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: play on. But like I would imagine, just like anything else,

702
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: there's given a take with it.

703
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's probably person to person. Like

704
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I think some people the trash talking hypes them up

705
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: and gets them more into the game.

706
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: Draymond being one of those people.

707
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: And if that is what you need individually to get

708
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: more into the game, cool. And I also think there's

709
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: probably the smart trash talkers. I would guess, like the

710
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: Draymonds of the world, the Gary Payton's of the world,

711
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: back Gary Payton, the older Gary Payton, who are being

712
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: more selective, being knowing there are guys that if you

713
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: talk trash to them, you can get on their head

714
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: a little bit easier, versus guys that if you talk

715
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: attached to them, you might be poking a bear who

716
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 1: might wake up.

717
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's probably a little bit of nuance to

718
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 4: it as.

719
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: Well, for sure.

720
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: And one last note, I do think there's something to

721
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: be said about it being a little less of a

722
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: there being less of a downside if it's a defensive

723
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: minded player, because any of you guys who have played

724
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 2: the game though that, like, if you get really emotionally

725
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: worked up, offense gets harder. Like slowing down and shooting

726
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: a jump shot is harder, slowing down and processing a

727
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: game is harder. You tend to like speed everything up

728
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: when you're super emotionally like worked up on the basketball court.

729
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 2: But for a defender who's not required to methodically run

730
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: offense or take a bunch of jump shots, they can

731
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: afford to get super worked up and have it not

732
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: have as much of a downside. So I don't think

733
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: it's a coincidence that you see a lot of guys

734
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: like Dylan Brooks, like Patrick Beverley, like dray Mungreen that

735
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: end up embodying that type of personality.

736
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great call. A question about Steven Adams.

737
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: He was got a lot more minutes tonight, was very

738
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: effective in his minutes on both ends of the court,

739
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, as an offensive rebounder, primarily on offense, but

740
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: definitely as a defensive player.

741
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: And it did feel like the rocket.

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: Zone, even with Adams when Itams was on the floor,

743
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: was effective, even when Steph was on the floor.

744
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: What is your take on the Stephen Adams.

745
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: Effect and if he's going to play a lot more

746
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: in Game five or going forward in the series like

747
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: he did tonight.

748
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: So he was plus sixteen in twenty six minutes. I'm

749
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: trying to see if they've posted the zone defense numbers

750
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: yet from this game. Let's see, because I bet you

751
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: had had a lot to do with the success of

752
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: the zone that they were having. And we had thirty

753
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: one possessions of zone defense in this game, so that

754
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: was probably the big But by the way, the Warriors

755
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 2: fared well of one point per possession against the zone.

756
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: That's actually really solid, but they ran a bunch of

757
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: it steady throughout every court. By the way, they only

758
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: ran four possessions of zone total in the first three

759
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: games of the series. They ran thirty one tonight, So

760
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: definitely something we talked about that after Game three though,

761
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: that we expected them to run a lot more zone

762
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: later in the series. But honestly, I think you know,

763
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 2: we talked so much about coaching within the context of like, oh, well,

764
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: here's what this lineup data show, or oh, here's what

765
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: you know this player should theoretically do to be able

766
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: to compliment what this other player does, and often, like

767
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: as a coach, in the moment, you're trying to read

768
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: how guys are playing, like, oh, like Jalen Green doesn't

769
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 2: really have it tonight, let's lean more into Jabari Smith Junior,

770
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: Or like, oh, our zone looks are causing them some problems,

771
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: let's lean into Steven Adams more well, look at this,

772
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: like Steven Adams's rim protection is having a real impact

773
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: on the on the Warriors at the rim, Like this

774
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: is something that we should be investing in. Like that

775
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: is always a call that you're making in the moment

776
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: as a coach, And it's a lot harder than it

777
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: looks in the moment when everything is going down and

778
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: the game is moving way faster than you think it

779
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: would in that sort of situation, and it's just it's

780
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: a tough call. But I think I think, like whether

781
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: or not you see a bunch of Steven Adams in

782
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: game in game five is going to come down to

783
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: how it looks and by the way, we saw him

784
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 2: a lot in the second half. In those zone possessions,

785
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: the Warriors were actually one point three points per possession

786
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: in the first half, but in the second half and

787
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: twenty two possessions, the Warriors were zero point eighty six

788
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: points per possession. So emai Udoka is probably making a

789
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: call in the moment saying like, this is what.

790
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: We should do.

791
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 2: And by the way, like these these coaching staffs will

792
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: have coaches tracking behind the bench, like, hey, do me

793
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: a favor tonight. Your one job is track points per

794
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: possession on man and zone. That way, if a late

795
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: game timeout comes around, is five minutes left and they're

796
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: they're having a time out and they're in the huddle.

797
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: You guys remember that early fourth quarter time out where

798
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr was like, hey, can you let me go

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: so I can talk to my coaches? Like that's what

800
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: they're doing. They're pow wowing as a group before they

801
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: go to the bench to talk like that's as soon

802
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: as the timeout is called. The players all go sit down,

803
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: they start drinking water and they take a break. The

804
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: coaches all huddle up and they decide what they're going

805
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: to do. Then they head over to the bench and

806
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: then they relay the message that they want to relay,

807
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it's getting information like, oh, hey,

808
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: by the way, we're defending really well with Steven Adams,

809
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: were plus you know whatever in his minutes, we're getting

810
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: this point per possession on zone. And then he made

811
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: you don't come out go like Okay, I'm gonna ride

812
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: Steven Adams for longer. It's all like an in the

813
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: moment type of decision.

814
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also thought part of it was due

815
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: to the fact that Draymond was off the floor. He's

816
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: such a good passer that it's, you know, he's really

817
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: valuable against his own even though he's not He's not

818
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: really an intense shooting threat for sure.

819
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: An interesting example on the other side is Buddy heeled

820
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: over Moses Moody starting tonight. Like Buddyhields, shooting has been

821
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: vitally important over the course of the last couple of games.

822
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: I thought his ball pressure on Jalen Green early in

823
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: the game was really valuable. He kind of sped Jalen

824
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: Green up early and forced a couple of turnovers.

825
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: Like there there is there's value.

826
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: In making in the moment live decisions that can maximize

827
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: the ability of your basketball.

828
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 4: Team one hundred percent.

829
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: Next question, what are your thoughts on the huge chasm

830
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: of physicality between the regular season and the playoffs?

831
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Are the ways to make the disparity smaller?

832
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Do you like the disparity, do you like the way

833
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: it's being refereed, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

834
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: I think it's really easy from our couches to be

835
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: like this is too physical. They should do something to

836
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: rein it in. I think the reality is is that

837
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: we have a bunch of really relatively even series in

838
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: the first round. Piston's Nicks, very even, Clippers, Nuggets, very

839
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: even even Celtics Magic has been like every game has

840
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: been close, with exception of Game two or yours. Rockets

841
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: has been closed, Lakers Wolves has been closed. So when

842
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: you get all of these teams, and by the way,

843
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: every single team I listed except for Detroit and Orlando

844
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: have like legitimate championship aspirations, like they think they're gonna

845
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 2: win the title. So what that leads to is like

846
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: an insane level of intensity and competitiveness that manifests in physicality.

847
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: And now the ref's job is to try to control it.

848
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: But if they control it by calling a bunch of fouls,

849
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: it's just gonna bog the game down into the mud.

850
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: And as you saw, like at any point tonight, did

851
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: it feel like the physicality lightened up even though the

852
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: refs were calling stuff like no, like it just it's

853
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: really hard to stop the play from competing the way

854
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: that they're competing. That said, if I had to choose

855
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: between this and the opposite, I would take this every

856
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: single time. You know, I just think there's a handful

857
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: of Like the big thing that I've struggled with is

858
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: the inconsistency. Like there's been a lot of instances where

859
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: like certain types of foul, like the perfect examples that

860
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler foul in the corner, so Josh Hart's foul

861
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: on Tim Hardaway Junior was substantially more of a foul,

862
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: but then this one ends up getting called. There's no

863
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 2: consistency there, and like that that really is the only

864
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: thing I'll ever get on officials about, like certain games

865
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Speaker 2: take on different feel based on how the teams are playing,

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Speaker 2: But inconsistency, to me is you not doing your job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And one of the things I was texting with

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Speaker 1: Jason about before during the game tonight, and we talked

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Speaker 1: about last night. Is the big challenge of one of

870
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Speaker 1: the big challenge of the increased physicality is these challenges

871
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Speaker 1: and the proximate fouls that they can call.

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Speaker 4: Because the one last.

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Speaker 1: Night, for example, the lebron won on Ant, they're not

874
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: calling that. Obviously they didn't call and they're not gonna

875
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: call that in the flow of the game.

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Speaker 4: And the one tonight as well.

877
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Speaker 1: It's like there was one on Steph in the first

878
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: half where I think where he got it was an

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00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: out of bounds.

880
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: It was called out of bounds.

881
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: They challenge it, get the foul call because Dylan Brooks

882
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: is kind of going point A to point B type

883
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: of jump, YadA YadA, and that one was a little

884
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: more bored that one could have been potentially called a

885
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: foul in real time. But this proximate foul slow motion

886
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: review compared to the flow of the physicality of the

887
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: games is a real, real challenge. I think the league

888
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: has to like sort of wonder what to do.

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Speaker 2: With this is a great point. And this is where

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: you know I've always talked about I gotten a huge

891
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: argument about this with I'm trying to remember who it was.

892
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: I got in the argument with there was a sports writer,

893
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: and it's killing me that I can't remember his name

894
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: right now because it was a long time ago. But

895
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 2: he did an extensive report on officiating in the NBA

896
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: and like how they do it, and they have like

897
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: basically these two things, this thing called the rule book

898
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: and this thing called the case book, and they basically

899
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: is like the pathway with which that they try to

900
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: like come up with a standard for officiating games. And

901
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: I one of the things I was trying to talk

902
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: to him about is like I think that you need

903
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: subjectivity in officiating. You can't be letter of the law

904
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: because basketball games don't work that way. Basketball games are

905
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: all unique. They're each their own kind of like individual tapestry.

906
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: Like look at how much different tonight was than Game three.

907
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: Fundamentally different game, different players were playing, different guys were

908
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 2: playing well, Like it was just a totally different type

909
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: of game. And so the point is is, like you

910
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,479
Speaker 2: have to be willing to in the moment be like, oh, yeah,

911
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: Lebron fouled and a little bit there. But with the

912
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: way we've been officiating this game, that would have probably

913
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: not been called it wasn't called live, Let's not call

914
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Speaker 2: it now now. The one with Dylan Brooks on the

915
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: sideline with Jimmy Butler's a little tougher because it got

916
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: called a foul live, but same sort of thing. I

917
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: would have gone in there and it'd been like, okay.

918
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: In my inititional I was talking to the guys before

919
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: the show, like on the baseline angle, it looked like

920
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: a foul because you're like, why the hell is Dylan

921
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Brooks like shoving Jimmy while he's shooting.

922
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: That's stupid.

923
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: And then you watch the sideline angle and it's like

924
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: Dylan's hand is just kind of like on his hip.

925
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: It's not really much of a shove at all, and

926
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: there's no foul up top, and you could see Jimmy

927
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: kick his right leg out, and so it's like on

928
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: the replay that was a pretty standard non call relative

929
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: to the other calls in the game. And so it's

930
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: one of those things where, to your point, they need

931
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 2: to be able to in the review handle it the

932
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Speaker 2: same way they do live. You can't suddenly operate by

933
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: a totally different rule book or like standard in a

934
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Speaker 2: slowdown than you would live.

935
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Speaker 3: That makes absolutely no sense.

936
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's just a challenge.

937
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: The refs have a tough job.

938
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Speaker 2: The job is tough. The last thing I'll say. I've

939
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: refed one game in my life. It was a students

940
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: versus teachers game when I was at Arizona Christian and

941
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: they just asked one of the guys on the basketball

942
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: team if they'd be willing to like volunteer, and I

943
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: was like, sure, I'll do it, And like the campus

944
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: pastor was cussing me out after the game, like cussing

945
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: me out because I was the only ref reffing a

946
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: five on five game and I opted to just basically

947
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: not call anything unless I was one hundred percent sure.

948
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: So there was like a ton of uncalled fouls because

949
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: that was the way I chose tor. I was like,

950
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna guess what happens in this game. And

951
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 2: it's like this casual students versus teachers and the dude

952
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: is like cussing me out, like and I'm like, this.

953
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 3: Is the campus pastor. This is crazy.

954
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: But the point, the point being like there is it

955
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: is a very difficult job, but these are the best

956
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: in the world at it. This is what they do

957
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: every single day. And if there's one situation that you

958
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: should be able to get it right, it's in the

959
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: slowdown situations.

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00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: Like that for sure.

961
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Speaker 1: Last question, which one seed has looked more complete so far?

962
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: Oh man, I think the Calves have looked better offensively

963
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: and the thunder have looked better defensively. Shay did have

964
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of a rough shooting series at certain

965
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: points in the series. The thunder did show a lot

966
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: of really high level connective playmaking, which was something that

967
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: I thought was a really positive trend for them. I

968
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: do think that the thunder Man. That's a really really

969
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: tough question. I'm gonna go with the Calves though, I'm

970
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: gonna go the Calves. I mean the thunder got punched

971
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: in the mouth in game three.

972
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good point.

973
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Speaker 3: M Do you have any take there.

974
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I think the Calves have looked better. I think that

975
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: they probably put a worse opponent in round one, but

976
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Speaker 1: they they've looked They've just to your point.

977
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Speaker 4: I think they've dominated every game for the most part.

978
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: There was one little, you know, stretch there, what it

979
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: was at game two, maybe that the heat were competitive,

980
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: but for the most part, Yeah, but for the most

981
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: part they've dominated that the Calves were at no point

982
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: down by twenty.

983
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're operating at just an insane level offensively.

984
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Speaker 2: All right, guys, it's all I have for tonight. Remember

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Speaker 2: supporting me and supporting the show. We will be back.

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Speaker 2: live tomorrow night after the final buzzer of Clippers Nuggets

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Speaker 2: Game five, which would be a really fun one. I'll

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