WEBVTT - Jack-o'-lanterns

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Tracy. Pumpkin carving is

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<v Speaker 1>one of my very very favorite Halloween activities. Oh hooray.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it like I love it, and I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that on Behind the Scenes Forever Halloween Season, Halloween Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about it. Jack o lanearns have become one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most iconic symbols of Halloween, but their origin

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<v Speaker 1>story is not super well documented because it's not as

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<v Speaker 1>though someone just invented them, or even a culture invented them,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they were part of a specific event and

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<v Speaker 1>then became popular, although they are associated mostly with one culture.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll talk about all of that. So tracing their roots.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I had told you a while back while

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<v Speaker 1>I was working them this, I'm trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>the shape of it because it does involve some folklore,

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<v Speaker 1>some agriculture, there's some literary influence that all come together

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of make the jack lantern as important visually

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<v Speaker 1>to Halloween season as it is today. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about all of that now. So the history

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<v Speaker 1>of jack lanterns starts with an Irish folk story about

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<v Speaker 1>a man called Stingy Jack. There was a poem to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the tale of Stingy Jack that came out in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty one, written by Hercules Ellis. This was included

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<v Speaker 1>in a book called the Rhyme Book, which collected a

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<v Speaker 1>number of folk tales and told them in verse. The

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<v Speaker 1>story of Stingy Jack is a lot older, though, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are many variations. This eighteen fifty one poem opens

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<v Speaker 1>with a rather unsavory depiction of Jack and his unkind ways,

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<v Speaker 1>and it calls him by his more formal name of

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<v Speaker 1>John rather than Jack. Quote greater Charle was never known

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<v Speaker 1>on this earth than Stingy John. From his door, the

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<v Speaker 1>poor were turned, unrelieved and cursed and spurned. But as

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<v Speaker 1>this version of Stingy Jack's story plays out, while he

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<v Speaker 1>is traveling home one night, Jack encounters a poor stranger

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<v Speaker 1>who claims that they are near death, and they ask

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<v Speaker 1>for help, and surprisingly Jack offers aid. He picks the

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<v Speaker 1>stranger up, and he puts him on his horse and

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<v Speaker 1>brings him to his home, where he feeds this man

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<v Speaker 1>and gives him a place to sleep. But then the

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<v Speaker 1>next morning, Jack awakens to find that the poor traveler

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<v Speaker 1>that he helped was actually an angel, who says to

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<v Speaker 1>him in the poem quote though called a churl by

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<v Speaker 1>all around, mercy in your heart, I've found ask three gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give them you and my blessing ad there too.

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<v Speaker 1>After contemplating this offer, Jack asks for the following quote,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish whoever takes my chair maybe fastened firmly there

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<v Speaker 1>he to chair and share to ground till my leave

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<v Speaker 1>to go be found. Next, I pray whatever fools metal

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<v Speaker 1>with my box of tools may be fastened to the

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<v Speaker 1>wall till to let them go I call. Thirdly, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I would implore that who breaks my sycamore may be

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<v Speaker 1>fixed fast to the tree till I choose to set

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<v Speaker 1>him free. And so the angel, sighing, grants these three wishes.

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<v Speaker 1>But this seals Jack's fate because in not asking for

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<v Speaker 1>heaven when offered anything by the angel and instead making

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<v Speaker 1>wishes that are intended to trap people in his control,

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<v Speaker 1>he has doomed himself to never enter the pearly gates.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jack doesn't really realize that anything bad is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. To him at this point, because his life

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<v Speaker 1>goes pretty well. He's healthy, his flocks flourish, and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets really rich. But eventually, like everyone old and his

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<v Speaker 1>end of life nears. And because he has doomed himself

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<v Speaker 1>to Hell with these wishes, the devil sends one of

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<v Speaker 1>his servants up from Hell to fetch Jack. And when

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<v Speaker 1>that servant comes to Jack's door, Jack invites him in

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<v Speaker 1>and offers him a seat, and that seals the devil's

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<v Speaker 1>servant to it because of that first wish. Jack then

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<v Speaker 1>beats the servant. This is all a pretty violent story,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, and then makes him a deal that

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<v Speaker 1>if he promises to never come back, he will be

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<v Speaker 1>set free, and the servant of the devil agrees to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the devil has other servants and sends another one,

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<v Speaker 1>and that servant is aware of what happened to the first.

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<v Speaker 1>This emissary is adamant that Jack has to report to Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack says that he'll go, but he has to

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<v Speaker 1>fix his shoes first or he won't be able to

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<v Speaker 1>make the journey. So he asks the Devil's servant number

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<v Speaker 1>two to hand him an all from his toolbox that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course traps that servant. Once again, Jack beats the

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<v Speaker 1>devil's servant and offers him freedom for the promise that

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<v Speaker 1>he will not return. There is another uh. The third

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<v Speaker 1>visit that Jack gets is from the devil himself, who

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<v Speaker 1>is tired of his minions being tricked, and, according to

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<v Speaker 1>the poem, quote said Jack, my lord, I'm ready quite

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<v Speaker 1>but dead lame is old. Jack. You must go get

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<v Speaker 1>me a good stout stick, or take me on your back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the devil goes to Jack's nearby sycamore tree to

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<v Speaker 1>get a walking stick from it, and is then fastened

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<v Speaker 1>tight to the tree, where Jack flails him for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. He flails him so much that the devil's

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<v Speaker 1>roars are heard as far away as Germany, Italy, and Spain.

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<v Speaker 1>According to this poem, the devil is finally freed by

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<v Speaker 1>Jack after he promises that he will never take Jack

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<v Speaker 1>to Hell. But that means that when Jack dies, his

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<v Speaker 1>soul has nowhere to go. So this poem concludes at length,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack died, and when his soul was from his body riven,

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<v Speaker 1>it could not get through Hell's wide gate, nor yet

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<v Speaker 1>through those of Heaven. By his free choice, he lost

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<v Speaker 1>the last and Satan did not fail his oath to

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<v Speaker 1>keep and Jack to sweep from Hell's gates with his flail. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>since Jack is unfit for heaven and Hell won't give

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<v Speaker 1>him room, his ghost is forced to walk the earth

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<v Speaker 1>until the day of Doom. A lantern in his hand,

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<v Speaker 1>he bears the way by night to show and from

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<v Speaker 1>its flame he got the name of Jack. A lantern. Now, so,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a more common version of this folk tale that

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<v Speaker 1>pre dates the poem. In that version, Jack invites the

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<v Speaker 1>devil to drink with him at a pub, but he

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<v Speaker 1>does not have the money to pay to cover the bill.

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<v Speaker 1>He makes a deal with the devil, offering his soul

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<v Speaker 1>for money. The devil agrees and turns himself into a coin.

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<v Speaker 1>So the plan is Jack will use the coin to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for the drinks and then the devil will return

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<v Speaker 1>to his normal shape and leave. But Jack does not

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<v Speaker 1>pay his bill with the devil coin. Instead, he walks

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<v Speaker 1>out on the bill and puts the coin in his

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<v Speaker 1>pocket along with the cross that keeps the devil from

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<v Speaker 1>assuming his true form, and eventually Jack decides to let

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<v Speaker 1>the devil free from this trap. For a reason that

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<v Speaker 1>is usually determined by the teller's choosing like guilt or fear,

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<v Speaker 1>and he makes the deal with Satan at this moment

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<v Speaker 1>that in exchange for freedom, the devil cannot bother Jack

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<v Speaker 1>for ten years. That seems like a foolish deal to make,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever. When the devil sees Jack again after that

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<v Speaker 1>allotted period has passed, he gets tricked again. This time,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack says he will go willingly after he has an

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<v Speaker 1>apple from a tree that is not too far off

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<v Speaker 1>from where this conversation is taking place, and he asks

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<v Speaker 1>the devil if he will climb up into the tree

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<v Speaker 1>to fetch an especially good apple. The devil obliges. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>the devil is kind of a ding dong in these

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<v Speaker 1>stories because he just gets tricked over and over. And

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<v Speaker 1>while Satan is out this tree, Jack carves across on

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<v Speaker 1>the trunk and that prevents the devil from getting down

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<v Speaker 1>once again. Jack frees the devil this time makes a

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<v Speaker 1>deal that his soul cannot be taken to Hell when

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<v Speaker 1>he dies. The devil agrees and his freed, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of them just go about their business until Jack does

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<v Speaker 1>finally die of old age. At that point, he's refused

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<v Speaker 1>entry into heaven and sent by Saint Peter to Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>but the devil can't take him either per their previous arrangement,

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<v Speaker 1>so instead he gives Jack a small flame from the

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<v Speaker 1>fires of Hell. Jack puts the flame into a carved

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<v Speaker 1>out turnip to use as a lamp, and because his

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<v Speaker 1>soul can't go to heaven or Hell, he just wanders

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<v Speaker 1>the earth until Judgment Day with this little turnip light. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes that's described as a flame, sometimes as a burning

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<v Speaker 1>charcoal from the fires of Hell, or a spark. It

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<v Speaker 1>comes up a little bit differently, but no matter the details.

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<v Speaker 1>The story of Stinjack in his lantern is really not

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<v Speaker 1>connected to Halloween initially, but was a way to explain

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of floating lights that people saw at night,

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing you may have heard called will of

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<v Speaker 1>the Wisp or some other thing. So those floating lights

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<v Speaker 1>associated with bogs are said to lower travelers off course

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<v Speaker 1>and to their doom. They are described as being perpetually

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<v Speaker 1>out of reach, so as a person approaches, they seem

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<v Speaker 1>to move away, and there is a scientific explanation for

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<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon. They're a couple, actually, So it's believed that

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<v Speaker 1>marsh gas, which is high in methane, sometimes produces light

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<v Speaker 1>as the flora around it decomposes and creates a chemical reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a process called chemoluminescence. The other explainer is bioluminescence,

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<v Speaker 1>which happens when a chemical reaction produces light in living

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<v Speaker 1>organisms and is not a decomposition thing. But before that

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<v Speaker 1>science was understood, the various myths and lore were used

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<v Speaker 1>to explain those boglines and other cultures have completely different

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<v Speaker 1>explanations for this phenomenon. But this Irish folk tale is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that gives rise to the Jack o' lantern.

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<v Speaker 1>This also reminds me of the make a Light which

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<v Speaker 1>we just talked about. Yes, uh so, how did this

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<v Speaker 1>tale of the doomed, untethered soul of Stingy Jack lead

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<v Speaker 1>to kids carrying plastic pumpkins around during trick or treat time.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the history of the pumpkin

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<v Speaker 1>before we get to that, and we will do that

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<v Speaker 1>after a sponsor break. Pumpkins are native to North and

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<v Speaker 1>Central America. In the book Pumpkin, The Curious History of

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<v Speaker 1>an American Icon, author Cindy Ott makes the case that

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<v Speaker 1>the pumpkin may have been the first plant that was

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<v Speaker 1>transitioned from wild to cultivated by people living in the Americas,

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<v Speaker 1>making them a keystone of the transition to agricultural versus

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<v Speaker 1>foraging society. The oldest cultivated pumpkin seeds we know of

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<v Speaker 1>came from the Wahaca Highlands in Mexico, and they're somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between eight and ten thousand years old. That, according to Ott,

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<v Speaker 1>makes them two thousand years older than any known corn

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<v Speaker 1>or bean seeds. But those early pumpkins were nothing like

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<v Speaker 1>the behemoths you can find today at a supermarket. They

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<v Speaker 1>were small, their range was pretty close to a modern

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<v Speaker 1>regulation baseball or a softball in range. The reasons that

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkins became so popular among early American cultures is one

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<v Speaker 1>that's debated. They would not have been the very fleshy,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet version that we have today, but a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>bitter with a thinner wall of flesh until they were

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<v Speaker 1>selectively bred for having a bigger size and sweeter flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were consistent and reliable as a crop. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons that sprouting punkumpkin seeds as a popular

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<v Speaker 1>classroom activity today is because it is really easy to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Pumpkins grow quickly, and they would have added variety to

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<v Speaker 1>the diet of early agrarian groups. Yeah, if you're like

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<v Speaker 1>me and you dump all your stuff in your composter

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<v Speaker 1>without a whole lot of thoughts, sometimes you get surprise

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<v Speaker 1>gift pumpkin vines. They're just so easy to grow, they

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<v Speaker 1>just want to sprout. By the twelve hundred's, indigenous peoples

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<v Speaker 1>on the eastern seaboard of North America had a really

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<v Speaker 1>established practice of growing pumpkins, and they had been standard

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<v Speaker 1>crops even earlier than that in other areas of the continent,

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<v Speaker 1>so well before Europeans made their way across the Atlantic,

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<v Speaker 1>the pumpkin was pretty plentiful. Exact varieties and specific timelines

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<v Speaker 1>of them are really difficult to trace because those things

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<v Speaker 1>were shifting year to year as sweeter versions were sought

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<v Speaker 1>out for eating, and other members of the Kukubatacea family

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<v Speaker 1>were cultivated for other uses, for example, gourds that could

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<v Speaker 1>be hollowed out and used as vessels, and these were

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<v Speaker 1>grown alongside corn and beans in what is known today

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<v Speaker 1>as the Three Sisters method of planting. It's also called

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<v Speaker 1>companion planting, and in this arrangement, the corn serves as

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<v Speaker 1>a trellis for the beans to grow up the beans,

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<v Speaker 1>stabilize the corn, and add nitrogen to the soil, which

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<v Speaker 1>helps support the pumpkins and the corn, and the pumpkins

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<v Speaker 1>or their close relatives, because it's not always a pumpkin,

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<v Speaker 1>protect the soil and roots of the other plants while

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<v Speaker 1>suppressing weed growth. Pumpkins are a good source of vitamin A,

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<v Speaker 1>with potassium, iron, and vitamin C also included in their

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<v Speaker 1>nutritional profile, so their benefits make it pretty clear why

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<v Speaker 1>they became an important part of early North American agriculture.

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<v Speaker 1>The word pumpkin doesn't come from the languages of these

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples, though. Field pumpkins, like the big orange ones

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<v Speaker 1>that are so closely associated with autumn and its holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were grouped with a lot of other varieties of

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<v Speaker 1>crops under the name squash. That word, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Library of Congress, as from the word a scuta squash,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a Narragansett word referring to something that's eaten raw.

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<v Speaker 1>The word pumpkin has roots in the Greek word pepin,

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<v Speaker 1>which means large melon. I feel like I said that

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<v Speaker 1>as though it were French. When this was adopted into French,

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<v Speaker 1>that word was transitioned to Pompon, and then that became

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<v Speaker 1>Pumpion and Great Britain before evolving into Pumpkin. So when

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<v Speaker 1>Europeans came to North America, they eventually adopted the pumpkin

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<v Speaker 1>into their own diet as a staple food for all

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons it had already been popular with indigenous peoples.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to the benefits we've already mentioned, there is

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<v Speaker 1>the bonus that pumpkins can be used just about in

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<v Speaker 1>their entirety right. You can roast and eat the seeds,

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<v Speaker 1>the blossoms can be eaten, the skins can be eaten.

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<v Speaker 1>You can so treat the skins for other uses like weaving.

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<v Speaker 1>So clearly it's a great crop. So now that the

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkins place in North American agriculture is established, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>jump back to the story of Stingy Jack. Because Jack's spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>wandering the world, unable to enter heaven or hell, carried

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<v Speaker 1>a turn up lantern. Became known as Jack of the

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<v Speaker 1>Lantern or Jack o lantern, But he wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>one called that name. The term jack lantern was also

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<v Speaker 1>used to describe night watchmen who carried lanterns as they

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<v Speaker 1>patrolled their areas. The use of the name jack o'

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<v Speaker 1>lanterns interchangeably with will of the wisp or other names

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<v Speaker 1>to describe that eerie and uncatchable light we talked about,

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<v Speaker 1>was well established by the late eighteenth century. I found

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<v Speaker 1>it very easy to find numerous newspaper articles that reference

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<v Speaker 1>them by the jack lantern name. One appearing in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bath Journal in October seventeen seventy nine, is about I

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<v Speaker 1>writ Paul Jones, and it states, quote Paul Jones resembles

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<v Speaker 1>a jack o' lantern to mislead our mariners and terrify

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<v Speaker 1>our coasts. He is no sooner seen than lost. Another

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<v Speaker 1>printed in February seventeen ninety two in the Freeman's Journal

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<v Speaker 1>or the North American Intelligencer, included a criticism of the

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<v Speaker 1>French nobility, which read, in part quote, Unfortunately, in their

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<v Speaker 1>search of light, they turn their backs upon the steady

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<v Speaker 1>luminary reason and follow certain jacka lanterns that lead them astray. Accordingly,

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<v Speaker 1>they have lost themselves in the public opinion. One article

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<v Speaker 1>that appeared in the Portland Gazette in September of seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight begins as though it's an etymology of the

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<v Speaker 1>word jacobin, suggesting that the final syllable was really lynn,

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<v Speaker 1>which was an evolution from land as an abbreviation of lantern,

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<v Speaker 1>and that jacobin and jack o lantern are the same word.

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<v Speaker 1>This is, in actuality, a criticism of the Jacobins, comparing

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<v Speaker 1>them to a thing that seems appealing but is in

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<v Speaker 1>fact not. The article includes a list of characteristics of

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<v Speaker 1>the jackalantern and concludes with quote to all appearances, it

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<v Speaker 1>is an angel of light, but in reality it is

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<v Speaker 1>an angel of darkness. In short, it is the very

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<v Speaker 1>devil all over. And so my good reader is the Jacobin.

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<v Speaker 1>So the idea of a jack lantern was well established

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<v Speaker 1>before that eighteen fifty one poem that we mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>the first segment of the show, and some versions of

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<v Speaker 1>the Stingy Jack story also account for the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>other people started carving their own turnips and potatoes to

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<v Speaker 1>have scary faces, and they put these creatures in their

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<v Speaker 1>windows to scare off the wandering Jack or any other creature.

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<v Speaker 1>This actually becomes a little bit confusing because it appears

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<v Speaker 1>that they're in telling this story there has been a

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<v Speaker 1>co mingling of two ideas. So the explainer of the

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<v Speaker 1>Boglin light known as Ignus Thoughtuus or fools Fire that

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<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about, and the Celtic Sawen celebration. Sawen,

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<v Speaker 1>which means end of Summer, was a festival that marked

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<v Speaker 1>the transition to autumn. This was also the Celtic New

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<v Speaker 1>Year and was associated not just with the changing of

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<v Speaker 1>the seasons, but also with death and rebirth. The end

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<v Speaker 1>of harvest and the preparation for winter has come to

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<v Speaker 1>be associated with a lot of concepts, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>them are on the spooky and scary side. Although we

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<v Speaker 1>don't really have a lot of reliable information about the

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<v Speaker 1>actual historical practices, it's believed that the Celtic festival, which

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<v Speaker 1>marked the delineation between the light and dark parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the year, also marked a time when the living and

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<v Speaker 1>the dead might have contact. There may have been a

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<v Speaker 1>time when the world of the supernatural and of deities

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<v Speaker 1>was believed to be accessible or at least visible to

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<v Speaker 1>mortal humans. So, based on what we know they're there

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<v Speaker 1>are some pretty easy to recognize similarities between historical Swen

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<v Speaker 1>activities and modern Halloween, including dressing up in costume. So

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<v Speaker 1>while today's costume party might be about finding the funniest

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<v Speaker 1>or most impressive ensemble. The participants in Sooyen were more

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<v Speaker 1>likely selecting disguises to confuse evil spirits. Bonfires are also

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<v Speaker 1>believed to have been a common practice as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the gathered celebrants, and fortune telling may have

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<v Speaker 1>been part of the festivities because this was a time

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<v Speaker 1>of looking to the year ahead. After the Romans defeated

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<v Speaker 1>the Celts in the first century, Celtic paganism was subsumed

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<v Speaker 1>into Christian ideology through a careful rewrite of the narrative

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<v Speaker 1>of the meanings of various practices, kind of along the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of oh, no, no, no, that thing you've always

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<v Speaker 1>done has actually been a Christian thing all along. This

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<v Speaker 1>was especially the case when All Saints Day was declared

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<v Speaker 1>in the year six o nine, and then it was

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<v Speaker 1>handily moved a couple centuries later to coincide with sawm

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<v Speaker 1>And this is when the day before All Saints' Day,

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<v Speaker 1>known as All Hollows Eve, started to develop the identity

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<v Speaker 1>that we would come to recognize as the holiday of Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, we'll talk about how this braiding together of

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<v Speaker 1>folklore and holidays led to the jack lantern being a

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of the season. We'll do that right after we

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<v Speaker 1>hear from some sponsors that keep the show going. So

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<v Speaker 1>all of this talk of stingy jack of pumpkin crops

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<v Speaker 1>and sawn brings us back to jack lanterns. There are

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<v Speaker 1>historians who believe that vegetables may have been carved to

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<v Speaker 1>look like heads as part of the Celtic celebration, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Celts of the pre Roman era did have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mythology about the importance of the head, and

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<v Speaker 1>these carvings may have represented the heads of vanquished enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is just theory. But a completely different explanation

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<v Speaker 1>is that people used root vegetable lanterns for sawn because

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<v Speaker 1>they were going around their villages searching for libations, that

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<v Speaker 1>was another part of the celebration, and they just needed lights.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't necessarily symbolic, and that simple need may have

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<v Speaker 1>evolved into the lanterns carved to have faces on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that was the case or not, we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that carving turnips and potatoes with faces and putting a

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<v Speaker 1>candle inside had become a common practice in Ireland by

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteenth century, and it does make some sense that

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<v Speaker 1>the story that explained the strange Marsh lights and the

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<v Speaker 1>traditions of Sawyn had become intertwined because both of those

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<v Speaker 1>stories are tied together geographically. So by the time Irish

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants made their way to North America starting in the

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteenth century, they brought this vegetable carving tradition, which

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<v Speaker 1>had already been part of the autumn celebrations with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they discovered that the pumpkins that were plentiful

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<v Speaker 1>in their new home were a lot easier to carve

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<v Speaker 1>than the other vegetables and were more plentiful as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, pumpkins carved into lanterns with faces were common

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<v Speaker 1>in the autumn, and not just in Irish homes. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the cultural moments that helped make jack O'Lanterns popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the US did not actually feature any jack o lanterns.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the eighteen twenty publication of the Legend of

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<v Speaker 1>Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving. So if you're thinking of

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<v Speaker 1>that story and spoiler alert if you have somehow managed

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<v Speaker 1>to never read it or see an adaptation of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you may recall the headless horseman throwing a jack o'

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<v Speaker 1>lantern at Ichabod Crane near the end of the book,

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<v Speaker 1>but Irving never wrote that it was a jack lantern,

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<v Speaker 1>just a pumpkin. The moment where Ikabad is attacked culminates

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<v Speaker 1>in this excerpt quote, Just then he saw the goblin

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<v Speaker 1>rising in his stirrups, and in the very act of

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<v Speaker 1>hurling his head at him, Ikabod endeavored to dodge the

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<v Speaker 1>horrible missile, but too late it encountered his cranium with

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<v Speaker 1>a tremendous crash. He was tumbled headlong into the dust,

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<v Speaker 1>and gunpowdered the black steed, and the goblin writer passed

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<v Speaker 1>by like a whirlwind. And then at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the next paragraph quote, on the bank of a broad

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<v Speaker 1>part of the brook, where the water ran deep and black,

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<v Speaker 1>was found the hat of the unfortunate Ichabod, and close

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<v Speaker 1>behind it a shattered pumpkin. Just a pumpkin, not a

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<v Speaker 1>jack lantern. But illustrations of that scene have almost always

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<v Speaker 1>included a pumpkin with a face carved into it, starting

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<v Speaker 1>very shortly after it was published, and that helps cement

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that jack lanterns had been an integral part

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<v Speaker 1>of white European culture in North America from just about

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning and a jack o' lantern was explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned fifteen years later and the text of Nathaniel Hawthorne's

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<v Speaker 1>The Great Carbuncle. The titular carbuncle is a gem that

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<v Speaker 1>a band of adventurers are just dicussing what to do with.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the character's plans to conceal it under his clothes,

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<v Speaker 1>and another replies, hide it under thy cloak, sayest thou

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<v Speaker 1>why it will gleam through the holes and make thee

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<v Speaker 1>look like a jack o lantern. It's unclear whether this

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<v Speaker 1>reference means the carved pumpkin or the glimmering lights over

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<v Speaker 1>a marsh. Hawthorne also describes a pumpkin jack of lantern,

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<v Speaker 1>but doesn't use that phrase. In his eighteen fifty two

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<v Speaker 1>story Feathertop, the character Feathertop is a scarecrow with a

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<v Speaker 1>carved pumpkin for a head, and he comes to life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I favor the side that it in the carbuncle he

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<v Speaker 1>means a carved pumpkin jack lantern, but it's up for

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<v Speaker 1>debate from there. The jack of lantern started making appearances

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<v Speaker 1>throughout poetry, stories, and art. In the United States. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find it on woodblock prints starting in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, and it was frequently seen on magazine covers

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<v Speaker 1>during Halloween season by the nineteen twenties. By the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>his trigger treating became part of the standard Halloween fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack lanterns were considered an essential part of the festivities,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that an article in the Honolulu Advertiser

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<v Speaker 1>from October thirty first, nineteen thirty one, appeared with the

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<v Speaker 1>headline Whyalua children use papayas for pumpkins to scare on Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>This article explains it because Honolulu did not have pumpkins,

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<v Speaker 1>they still had to have jacka lanterns, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>used papayas. This write up includes several stories of kids

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<v Speaker 1>using them to scare people, including one where a kid

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<v Speaker 1>hid in a hibiscus bush with his papaya jack a

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<v Speaker 1>lantern and scared passers by with it. Early trigger treaders

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<v Speaker 1>used jack o lanterns to light their way as they

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<v Speaker 1>walked the neighborhood's streets for their candy halls. This meant

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<v Speaker 1>that the lantern was just that it was a light source,

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<v Speaker 1>not a candy receptacle. Often these are made of materials

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<v Speaker 1>like paper mache instead of actual pumpkins to make them

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<v Speaker 1>easier to carry. These transitioned away from candles as the

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<v Speaker 1>light to simple batteries with bulbs as safety concerns arose,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the nineteen fifties plastic battery powered pumpkin lanterns

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<v Speaker 1>started to appear. Over time, the plastic jack lantern transitioned

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<v Speaker 1>from guiding light to candy receptacle. In nineteen fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>the Quad City Times of Davenport, Iowa suggested a series

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<v Speaker 1>of party ideas that one might stage for Halloween, all

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<v Speaker 1>of which included one or more jack lanterns as decor.

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<v Speaker 1>One was an apple and nut party for teenagers. Feel

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<v Speaker 1>like if you pitch that today you might get some shrugs,

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<v Speaker 1>and another was a jack lantern supper that included sandwiches

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<v Speaker 1>made with bread cut to look like jack lanterns. A

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<v Speaker 1>look through almost any town's papers around Halloween season from

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<v Speaker 1>the mid twentieth century on shows loads of similar articles,

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<v Speaker 1>although I never found a single one that mentioned stingy

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<v Speaker 1>jack or warding away evil spirits. It was all just

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<v Speaker 1>in fun. Today, of course, you can buy plastic jack

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<v Speaker 1>lanterns and all kinds of colors and realistic looking fake

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkins for carving or already carved. Real pumpkins remain an

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<v Speaker 1>important part of US agriculture. In twenty twenty and estimated

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<v Speaker 1>one point five billion pounds of pumpkins were grown in

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<v Speaker 1>the US. Illinois has long been the country's top producer,

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<v Speaker 1>with Pennsylvania, New York, Indiana, Michigan, California, Texas, Ohio, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>and Virginia as the other big pumpkins states. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to carve a real pumpkin but you're not

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<v Speaker 1>that confident about it, you can also buy all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of special pumpkin carving tools and kits to get that

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<v Speaker 1>job done. And now the jack of lantern is everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm a happy little ghoul. I have two pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of listener mail and they're both brief, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>I'm including two, and they feature apples, so that seems

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<v Speaker 1>still in our autumnal zone. The first is from our listener, Tabitha,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is titled Honey Fungus Hunting. Tabitha writes, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to share that I was listening to

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast about the Bramley apple tree being infected by

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<v Speaker 1>honey fungus right as I was out hunting for honey

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<v Speaker 1>mushrooms because they are edible. I am a certified wild

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<v Speaker 1>mushroom forager, and I teach people how to safely id

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<v Speaker 1>and eat the honey fungus and how it does infect trees.

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<v Speaker 1>Your podcast is my favorite. Thank you for all that

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<v Speaker 1>you both do. Thank you for that because I had

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<v Speaker 1>not seen in any of my research on the tree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you could eat those. I will say, please do not

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<v Speaker 1>go eat some mushrooms from near a tree based on

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<v Speaker 1>this audio description. You need someone like Tabitha to guide

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<v Speaker 1>you who has done all of the training and research. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Any mushroom identification requires like several different not just oh

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<v Speaker 1>this is growing near the tree and is honeycolored. That

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<v Speaker 1>is bad enough. There are some honey color mushrooms that

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<v Speaker 1>grow near trees that can kill you. So yeah, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, don't. I'm terrified of wild mushrooms. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>unless they have been gathered by someone lake that is

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<v Speaker 1>at a farmer's market that I know is certified. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I follow some foragers on TikTok whose work I really enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also we grew a lot of things in

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<v Speaker 1>a garden growing up, but my mother was very clear

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<v Speaker 1>on the direction that we were not to eat anything

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<v Speaker 1>we found in the wild because we would immediately die,

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<v Speaker 1>which is an overly conservative look at things that grow

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<v Speaker 1>in the wild. But like all of the foragers that

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<v Speaker 1>I watch are super like, you have to do these

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<v Speaker 1>multiple things you cannot just look at like the color

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<v Speaker 1>of the mushroom or whatever. Yeah, I kind of I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with your mom. That's a better safe than sorry when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to kids who maybe don't always exhibit a

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<v Speaker 1>plus judgment. Sure, I know I didn't. My other email

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<v Speaker 1>cost from our listener, Becky, who writes, Dear Holly and Tracy,

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<v Speaker 1>your latest eponymous foods episode on the Macintosh and Bramley

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<v Speaker 1>Apples gave me a craving for apple pie. Of course

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<v Speaker 1>that calls for a trip to the orchard. As I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make both pie and apple salad, and remembering

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, I put the Macintosh apples down and bought

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<v Speaker 1>Cartland's so far too delicious apple pies. The best part

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<v Speaker 1>of a visit to our local orchard is apple cider

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<v Speaker 1>slushes with caramel syrup. Incredible. That sounds amazing. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of our rescue pup, Rocky, wearing a hoodie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I heard the end of the Anne Radcliffe episode

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<v Speaker 1>and clothing on animals. Rocky is not a fan. Rocky

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<v Speaker 1>is so precious, so precious. And then Becky mentions that

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<v Speaker 1>she met both of us in the before times at

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<v Speaker 1>the live show in Indianapolis, which hopefully we'll do again

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes soonish Matya is so cute. I want to kiss

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<v Speaker 1>that face seven thousand times, like he just has one

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<v Speaker 1>of those faces. Thank you for writing us, both Tabitha

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<v Speaker 1>and Becky. We hope anybody that's enjoying pumpkin or appley

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<v Speaker 1>or anything autumnal yummy right now is having the very

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