1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello

2
00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,200
Speaker 1: and happy week to all my whip smarties out there.

3
00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm really really looking forward to today's interview. I'm going

4
00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,599
Speaker 1: to sit down with a fellow circus performer, which is

5
00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,920
Speaker 1: what so many of us in the industry affectionately call

6
00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,800
Speaker 1: the performers in the sag after Union. Today's guest is

7
00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,360
Speaker 1: none other than actor Jason George. You likely know him

8
00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,720
Speaker 1: from playing Miranda Bailey's husband, doctor Ben Warren on Grey's

9
00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:47,400
Speaker 1: Anatomy and Station nineteen. Jason is an absolutely incredible human

10
00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,600
Speaker 1: off screen as well as the wonderful characters that he

11
00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,680
Speaker 1: plays on screen, and today I'm going to talk to

12
00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,440
Speaker 1: him about discovering his true calling, having grown up a

13
00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,360
Speaker 1: military kid on the East Coast, how his upbringing led

14
00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,720
Speaker 1: him to get really active within our own union, advocating

15
00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,520
Speaker 1: for better protection for workers, and his latest and deepest

16
00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,200
Speaker 1: passion project, working to help solve the gun violence crisis

17
00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,840
Speaker 1: in America. Jason is a spokesperson working to change the

18
00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,959
Speaker 1: way that guns are portrayed in the media. A year ago,

19
00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,240
Speaker 1: Hollywood Health and Society at the USC and and Berg

20
00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,360
Speaker 1: Norman Lear Center released a really impactful and significant studies

21
00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,360
Speaker 1: surrounding guns in the media, and based on that study,

22
00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,080
Speaker 1: HHS has teamed up with Brady, the nation's oldest gun

23
00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,760
Speaker 1: violence prevention organization, to raise awareness around this incredibly important topic,

24
00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,640
Speaker 1: and Jason is helping lead the charge with Brady, HHS,

25
00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,360
Speaker 1: every Town and Mom's Demand. He is an incredibly inspiring

26
00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,760
Speaker 1: human someone I feel really lucky to have as a

27
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,280
Speaker 1: peer in my industry, both in my day job and

28
00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,360
Speaker 1: in my activism work. And I can't wait for you

29
00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:13,720
Speaker 1: all to hear from enjoy. Hey, hi, Jason, how are

30
00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:14,600
Speaker 1: you good?

31
00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,239
Speaker 2: How are you feeling?

32
00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm well?

33
00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,960
Speaker 1: Thanks? Where do I Where do I find you today?

34
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,200
Speaker 1: Where are you in the world?

35
00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,880
Speaker 3: I am back in the studio city, Los Angeles.

36
00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,120
Speaker 2: I'm back home. We were running around Italy for.

37
00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,680
Speaker 3: A few weeks.

38
00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my wife and I was a twenty fifth

39
00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:38,639
Speaker 2: wedding anniversary.

40
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,680
Speaker 1: So oh my goodness.

41
00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,760
Speaker 2: Good Italy is our spot, you know.

42
00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,120
Speaker 3: We this is like we've been itly a bunch of

43
00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,919
Speaker 3: times and taking a cake a bunch of times.

44
00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's so fun. I look forward to that,

45
00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,600
Speaker 1: like sort of all my friends are in the range

46
00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,760
Speaker 1: where everybody's kids are too little to do international travel.

47
00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,480
Speaker 1: But when I see my friends who have like kids

48
00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,720
Speaker 1: that are ten to twelve or that are teenagers and

49
00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,000
Speaker 1: they're bopping around, I'm like, God, that would be so

50
00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,960
Speaker 1: cool to get to show them the world.

51
00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,359
Speaker 3: It's the whole point. It is literally the I mean

52
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,160
Speaker 3: the funny part is that, like, you know, we have

53
00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,360
Speaker 3: a twenty year old son, and that we have twins

54
00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,640
Speaker 3: that are sixteen year olds.

55
00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

56
00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,080
Speaker 2: And when they were born we were buried.

57
00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,280
Speaker 3: So like like all of your friends who have little

58
00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,680
Speaker 3: kids and like do only certain things, like you know,

59
00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,040
Speaker 3: they go to like going to the local restaurant is

60
00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,920
Speaker 3: a big outing. Yeah that for like three years, three

61
00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,520
Speaker 3: years we were just on like life. If you walk

62
00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,480
Speaker 3: slowly in front of my house, I just handed you

63
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:35,839
Speaker 3: a kid.

64
00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah I need to know you just hold hold this

65
00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,240
Speaker 2: for a second.

66
00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, oh my goodness. Okay, So I love

67
00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,760
Speaker 1: I love the tangential parenting moment because it actually, in

68
00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,640
Speaker 1: a really interesting way, points back to the thing I

69
00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,160
Speaker 1: normally like to ask people first, which is about yourself

70
00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:02,040
Speaker 1: as a child, because like, look me as the person

71
00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,480
Speaker 1: interviewing you. So many of the folks who are going

72
00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,320
Speaker 1: to listen to this episode, like, we know, we know

73
00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,200
Speaker 1: you as grown up Jason George, we know you from work,

74
00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,240
Speaker 1: like you you've been our beloved Ben for fourteen years,

75
00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,120
Speaker 1: like og Grays fan over here. You know you carried

76
00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,159
Speaker 1: him onto other shows. Like it's so easy to think

77
00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,560
Speaker 1: you know someone because you have observed their body of work, right,

78
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,679
Speaker 1: And so I'm curious, especially because you're a dad, if

79
00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,200
Speaker 1: from this point in your life, if you were to

80
00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,080
Speaker 1: hang out with your eight year old self, like, would

81
00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,640
Speaker 1: you like him? What was he into? Did he know

82
00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,000
Speaker 1: he was going to be an artist? Like, like, do

83
00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,159
Speaker 1: you see how that little boy became the man you

84
00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,760
Speaker 1: are today? Or has it all sort of happened, you know,

85
00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,040
Speaker 1: by by miracle and happenstance?

86
00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,960
Speaker 3: Now? Is you know? Is that that's a that's a

87
00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,719
Speaker 3: good question. That is a good first question that would

88
00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 3: have had somebody. Could I have seen him as a artists? Yeah?

89
00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,520
Speaker 3: I was a goofy I was a goofy show off,

90
00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,360
Speaker 3: uh smart ality little kid. But at the same time,

91
00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,680
Speaker 3: I'm I'm the middle child and one of three boys,

92
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,599
Speaker 3: and so I was also you know, all of the

93
00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,720
Speaker 3: I liked all I believe in all of the good

94
00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,080
Speaker 3: stuff that psychiatrists say about middle kids like I got

95
00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,159
Speaker 3: to be the baby for four years and then I

96
00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,880
Speaker 3: got to be the big brother, and so, you know,

97
00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,400
Speaker 3: and so I'm I I. Uh I was a rule

98
00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,800
Speaker 3: follower on the surface, like I was the good kid

99
00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,520
Speaker 3: as far as you could see. Uh I was. And

100
00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,480
Speaker 3: I was in fact a good hearted kid. We were

101
00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,279
Speaker 3: never trying to damage anything. But and my older brother

102
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,920
Speaker 3: is part of the reason for this. We were mischievous kids.

103
00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,480
Speaker 3: We were really mischievous kids, and so had.

104
00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,080
Speaker 1: A sense of humor.

105
00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,360
Speaker 2: Oh, the sense of humor was like huge in my house.

106
00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,120
Speaker 3: It was there. The whole thing was you know, I mean,

107
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,039
Speaker 3: like we you know, my mom and my mom and

108
00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,800
Speaker 3: dad split up, you know, and it was on a

109
00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:05,120
Speaker 3: low train, the slowest rolling divorce of all time, like

110
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,960
Speaker 3: over the course of like ten years and just slowly.

111
00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,880
Speaker 3: My dad was like less and less around it, and

112
00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,839
Speaker 3: he was like never around.

113
00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,400
Speaker 2: But like you know, money troubles and everything like that.

114
00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,320
Speaker 3: Mom was always the you know, like you know the

115
00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,440
Speaker 3: phrase rob Peter to pay Paul. It's like I should

116
00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,839
Speaker 3: have like a tattoo that says that phrase, because that

117
00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,840
Speaker 3: was like my mom's whole phrase. And she would just

118
00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,719
Speaker 3: lap because she's like better than crying, I mean, and

119
00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,280
Speaker 3: that was her whole take. So our whole perspective on

120
00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,320
Speaker 3: life from birth was just like, hey man, you know

121
00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,640
Speaker 3: it's it's it can it can always be worse, So

122
00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,080
Speaker 3: you know, so enjoy wherever you're at, even if today's

123
00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,000
Speaker 3: pretty crappy, you know, you know, laugh about it, find

124
00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:53,120
Speaker 3: somebody and find something, find something to just howeverasil it is.

125
00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,279
Speaker 2: If you enjoy or whatever you're on grade, it's danced

126
00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,320
Speaker 2: out and that sort of thing.

127
00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,559
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's you know, and then my mother,

128
00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,120
Speaker 3: uh and my dad actually both loved music, and that's

129
00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:04,880
Speaker 3: what it thinks. So it was like there was always

130
00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,279
Speaker 3: music playing in the house and uh, and there was

131
00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,000
Speaker 3: a that joy in the middle of whatever was going on.

132
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,080
Speaker 3: I mean, so that's kind of like how I lived,

133
00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,320
Speaker 3: Like I'm always I'm always going to be good where

134
00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm at, And even as a kid, that was kind

135
00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,000
Speaker 3: of the thing, like.

136
00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,240
Speaker 2: Whatever group you dropped me in, I'd find a way

137
00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:24,600
Speaker 2: to hang.

138
00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I was I was just smart enough to

139
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,880
Speaker 3: hang with the smart kids, just cool enough to hang

140
00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,640
Speaker 3: to like get into the cool kid party. I'm never

141
00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,040
Speaker 3: the leader of any of these groups. I can just

142
00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:39,480
Speaker 3: just hang with them, you know. And I was, I

143
00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 3: was a geek, but uh but at the end of

144
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,080
Speaker 3: the day, I'm I'm you know, the nerd in me

145
00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,040
Speaker 3: is real. You know that age you talk about eight

146
00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,400
Speaker 3: year old me, that's around the time that I discovered

147
00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 3: comic books and all that stuff. Uh, and the imagination

148
00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,040
Speaker 3: blew wide open. And it was like Martin Luther King.

149
00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400
Speaker 3: Every kid did their book report back then on you know,

150
00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,120
Speaker 3: a booker Team Washington or you know.

151
00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,360
Speaker 2: And so like I had this dream of, like, you.

152
00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,080
Speaker 3: Know, being one of those people who argue in your

153
00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,800
Speaker 3: thirdod Marshal, like arguing a case. And I mean like

154
00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,520
Speaker 3: I thought, like being that kind of smart person who

155
00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,640
Speaker 3: actually made change in the world, that'd be cool. So

156
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,640
Speaker 3: that was the plan and that was the goal. Uh.

157
00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,880
Speaker 3: But you always saw this kind of creative bent underneath

158
00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,480
Speaker 3: it that like, but no nobody does it. I'm from

159
00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,320
Speaker 3: a military town. I mean where I grew up is

160
00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,920
Speaker 3: you know, Virginia Beach. Virginia is the largest naval base

161
00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,560
Speaker 3: in the world. So like, yeah, and all my friends,

162
00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,320
Speaker 3: all of my parents, my dad was navy. Like, you know,

163
00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,559
Speaker 3: arts was not a thing that people did for a living.

164
00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,240
Speaker 3: You know, you love, you know, music is cool and

165
00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,480
Speaker 3: everything like that, but that's other people do all that

166
00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,240
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, you know, and I think it's not

167
00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,920
Speaker 3: even a thing that was like, you know so but uh,

168
00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, but second grade play, I robbed the line

169
00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,440
Speaker 3: gotta laugh, you know, and it's stuck. It's stuck in

170
00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:03,200
Speaker 3: the back of the brain.

171
00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,680
Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a minute after a few

172
00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:12,920
Speaker 1: words from our favorite sponsors. So then when you fast

173
00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,000
Speaker 1: forward to, you know, joining a show like Gray's in

174
00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:22,400
Speaker 1: twenty ten, did that feel intimidating? Were you excited? Had

175
00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,800
Speaker 1: you watched the show before?

176
00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:29,000
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, I mean look, I mean my wife

177
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,560
Speaker 3: and I when we work out, we work out separately,

178
00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,680
Speaker 3: and she she will tend to watch her you know,

179
00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,319
Speaker 3: quote unquote chick flicks, and I'll watch like just explosion

180
00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,080
Speaker 3: after explosion.

181
00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,360
Speaker 2: This is back in the day. Pandemic changed her. Now

182
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,120
Speaker 2: she's all blood and guts. Now she's like.

183
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,240
Speaker 3: Vikings and like, you know, yeah, apocalyptic, Like she's a

184
00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,040
Speaker 3: whole different persons of the pandemic. And I'm like, you changed.

185
00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,920
Speaker 3: As I clutch the pearls and look at her, I'm like,

186
00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,120
Speaker 3: you know, sleeping with one eye open. But she would watch,

187
00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,480
Speaker 3: you know, in the role was if whatever you're watching

188
00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,040
Speaker 3: turn out to the really good, like the chick Flick

189
00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,480
Speaker 3: turned out to be when Harry met Sally, stop it,

190
00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,800
Speaker 3: bring it in, we'll watch it together, because now it's

191
00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,240
Speaker 3: now it's Cinela, Now it's I mean or whatever. A

192
00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,880
Speaker 3: friend of hers gave the DVD set of Gray's Anatomy

193
00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,199
Speaker 3: and she got like two episodes and stopped it, came

194
00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,120
Speaker 3: in and said you should watch this with me.

195
00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,520
Speaker 2: And that was probably around.

196
00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 3: Season three or four or something like that, and so

197
00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,199
Speaker 3: she and I started watching it, and I was like,

198
00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,760
Speaker 3: this is dope. This is most men, Like you'd be

199
00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,480
Speaker 3: surprised how many men totally have the fan reaction and

200
00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,000
Speaker 3: then try and play it off like it's because why

201
00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,800
Speaker 3: watch it my girlfriend a wife?

202
00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, honey, try being on One Tree Hill. It's

203
00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:46,120
Speaker 1: the same thing.

204
00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,160
Speaker 3: One hundred percent right, And you're like, bruh, if you

205
00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,559
Speaker 3: knew my character name, you were not just watching, because.

206
00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're invested. My favorite vibe is always, like you know,

207
00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,880
Speaker 1: being on location somewhere, everybody goes out for beers, like

208
00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,760
Speaker 1: Friday night after you wrap, and there's always some guy

209
00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,440
Speaker 1: in a bar that's like, oh, I know you, my

210
00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,679
Speaker 1: girlfriend loves your show. And then I can tell when

211
00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,280
Speaker 1: he's had like three or four beers and he's like

212
00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,920
Speaker 1: when Brooke couldn't have a baby. I was that was

213
00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000
Speaker 1: just like really heavy and it really made me understand

214
00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,400
Speaker 1: what women go through. And I'm like, yeah, your girlfriend

215
00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:15,960
Speaker 1: loves the show.

216
00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,320
Speaker 3: I guess right, get.

217
00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,040
Speaker 2: Just one or two beers. Oh, you know an occasion guy,

218
00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,400
Speaker 2: he'll be like, you know who just owned it? Yeah,

219
00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:24,880
Speaker 2: I kind of thing. But I was out to dinner

220
00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,079
Speaker 2: with a friend the other day and this is.

221
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,800
Speaker 3: Here in Los Angeles, and nobody in Los Angeles cares right,

222
00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,560
Speaker 3: or at least you're supposed to play it off like

223
00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,400
Speaker 3: you don't.

224
00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:32,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to dude.

225
00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,000
Speaker 3: He stopped, but Grace is one of those shows that

226
00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,400
Speaker 3: like will pierce that veil, and like dude was like

227
00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,160
Speaker 3: he was like, came over to the table, just interrupted.

228
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,280
Speaker 3: I don't mean to interrupt, and you know, listen, can't

229
00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,600
Speaker 3: get a photo, you know, and he was like, can

230
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,960
Speaker 3: I get a photo for my wife was a huge

231
00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,920
Speaker 3: fan of the show and everything like that, don't you know.

232
00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,959
Speaker 3: Oh boy got in there right next to me as

233
00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:51,120
Speaker 3: he did the selfie the whole night.

234
00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,800
Speaker 2: And I was like, right right, it's freet we are

235
00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:57,320
Speaker 2: men of action.

236
00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:57,760
Speaker 3: Lies.

237
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,440
Speaker 1: Yes, that's so sweet, but.

238
00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I really wanted to. So I was.

239
00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,480
Speaker 3: I was a big fan of the show before I

240
00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,680
Speaker 3: ever did it, And so I've been in the game

241
00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,640
Speaker 3: for a minute before that. I've done like, you know,

242
00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,040
Speaker 3: a bunch of series, and it'd been a while since

243
00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,640
Speaker 3: i'd been nervous on a set. And that first day,

244
00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,280
Speaker 3: maybe two days, I was like, I'll screw this up.

245
00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,959
Speaker 3: And it was just a guest spot. It was literally

246
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480
Speaker 3: just a guest spot. It was only oh, Ben was

247
00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,440
Speaker 3: supposed to do like three four episodes and then like

248
00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,360
Speaker 3: do Miranda dirty, like you know, cheating her, like be

249
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,640
Speaker 3: a player, and then like be out like break her

250
00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,880
Speaker 3: heart is what I understand the storyline was supposed to be.

251
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,200
Speaker 3: I think they did that storyline with I think they

252
00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,160
Speaker 3: pulled that storyline a little bit later on with with

253
00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,880
Speaker 3: Joe Camilla's character. Okay, I think they did it a

254
00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,400
Speaker 3: little bit later on with her character. And but for

255
00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,240
Speaker 3: whatever reason, Shanda, god bless her, you know, said put.

256
00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:58,960
Speaker 2: That ride for a minute.

257
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:04,320
Speaker 3: Let's not let's not end that just yet, and that

258
00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,400
Speaker 3: was even when like, uh, because I had done a

259
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,360
Speaker 3: pilot for Shonda that that didn't go and that was

260
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,360
Speaker 3: my introduction into shondaaland got a great relationship with and

261
00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,200
Speaker 3: everything like that. And then they offered me the guest

262
00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,920
Speaker 3: spot to come and play Ben and I was like, yeah,

263
00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,880
Speaker 3: I just want to come through the show.

264
00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:20,720
Speaker 2: I just want to hang out.

265
00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,160
Speaker 3: And I was like but I also knew like the

266
00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,120
Speaker 3: show at that point even had a history of like

267
00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,440
Speaker 3: you start as a guest star, maybe you can stick

268
00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,040
Speaker 3: around for a minute, but you know, you assume, you know,

269
00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,000
Speaker 3: we're actors. You know, you're like, this is just gonna

270
00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,480
Speaker 3: this is this is the gate. You show up, you

271
00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:35,880
Speaker 3: join the circus for the day, and then you go

272
00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,840
Speaker 3: home and do your thing well.

273
00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 1: And even when you're supposed to show up, maybe it's

274
00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,360
Speaker 1: not going to happen. Like I was supposed to start

275
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,120
Speaker 1: a new project on Tuesday, and they were like, so

276
00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,800
Speaker 1: we've lost the insurance on our main location and can

277
00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,040
Speaker 1: you just stay in New York for a while. And

278
00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,719
Speaker 1: I'm sit tight, Sit tight, and you're like, gall it,

279
00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,920
Speaker 1: it's the circus. It's an industry, and it's it's technical

280
00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,960
Speaker 1: and it's really well scheduled. And then it's also just

281
00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,120
Speaker 1: like you're at the mercy of nonsense.

282
00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 3: A lot of moving parts we are, Cardiff. I mean like,

283
00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,720
Speaker 3: you know, hey, man, we're not doing the show tonight.

284
00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,120
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not doing the show tonight.

285
00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:13,319
Speaker 1: Man.

286
00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,199
Speaker 3: You know, things get you know, any day, things can

287
00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,320
Speaker 3: get canceled, that sort of thing. You know, So it's, uh,

288
00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,960
Speaker 3: it's it's all that, but uh, but you know, it's stuck.

289
00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,000
Speaker 3: It's even when I was doing other shows, they didn't

290
00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,080
Speaker 3: move me off. I mean I did a because when

291
00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,000
Speaker 3: I guest starred, I then did a pilot, uh another

292
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,040
Speaker 3: pilot for her that took and it was a series

293
00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,520
Speaker 3: that we did for like six months in Hawaii, and

294
00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,440
Speaker 3: and the fact they let me and again the power

295
00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,480
Speaker 3: of having really good people who also happen to be

296
00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,360
Speaker 3: tremendously powerful in the industry, you know, and you know,

297
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,400
Speaker 3: so they didn't eliminate my character, and I kept guest starting.

298
00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,400
Speaker 3: So I would literally fly from Hawaii, fly back to

299
00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,800
Speaker 3: like do a couple of episodes, you do like a

300
00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,240
Speaker 3: couple of days on Grays, and then like go back.

301
00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,680
Speaker 3: So that's amazing.

302
00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,880
Speaker 2: It was real break. It was an absolute blessing.

303
00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,920
Speaker 1: I also love when you've got people in power that

304
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,480
Speaker 1: don't kind of weaponize their ego. You know, so often

305
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,440
Speaker 1: you hear, well, once you're on a show, they're going

306
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,480
Speaker 1: to own you. Like they've got you. They'll never let

307
00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,400
Speaker 1: you work on something else. And I think like the

308
00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,680
Speaker 1: ripple effect of Shanda saying no, you will absolutely be

309
00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,680
Speaker 1: on these two projects for me, and we're not going

310
00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,840
Speaker 1: to give up a storyline just because good things are

311
00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 1: happening for you as a performer. You know. Now you

312
00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,360
Speaker 1: cut to I mean the year that like Reese and

313
00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,920
Speaker 1: Carrie Washington did little fires everywhere while Reese and Nicole

314
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,960
Speaker 1: Kidman and you know, Zoe Kravitz were doing big little lies,

315
00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's like you could actually just go do the

316
00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,600
Speaker 1: good work if you'd be willing to not say, well,

317
00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,440
Speaker 1: if you're on one show, you can't be on this one.

318
00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,280
Speaker 1: It's so dumb.

319
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's so dumb.

320
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,320
Speaker 3: And also the business that you and I have been

321
00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,840
Speaker 3: here for a minute, the business is totally different than

322
00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,120
Speaker 3: it was, and social media changed it. I mean, you

323
00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,120
Speaker 3: know better than anybody, but it's you know, the cross planization.

324
00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,480
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I'll bring the audience from that

325
00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,520
Speaker 3: thing over to this thing and vice versa, like let's

326
00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,400
Speaker 3: rise and tide floats all boats.

327
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:14,480
Speaker 2: So let's float some boats.

328
00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,560
Speaker 3: People, Let's get out there, let's let's go. Let a

329
00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,000
Speaker 3: thoroughbred run. And so that mentality, I suppose, the scarcy,

330
00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,240
Speaker 3: the mentality of uh, you're you're you know, I don't

331
00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,720
Speaker 3: share my toys and you want to buy toys. It's hey,

332
00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,840
Speaker 3: everybody go have fun. I mean, I remember saying with

333
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,200
Speaker 3: Betsy Beers, who's a Shanda's producing partner, if you see Sean,

334
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, produce by Shonda Rhymes, you'll see produce by

335
00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:42,040
Speaker 3: Betsy beersh She's a I joke with you. I jokingly

336
00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,920
Speaker 3: say that, you know, she's the ginger Rogers to Shonda

337
00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,720
Speaker 3: spread as fare makes the whole thing. Where Betsy was like,

338
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,320
Speaker 3: we believe in building a company, an old school theater

339
00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,400
Speaker 3: company and keeping everybody happy. They're like if you're if

340
00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,480
Speaker 3: you're happy, you're gonna work harder and better. And that's

341
00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:00,840
Speaker 3: sort of thing.

342
00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,880
Speaker 2: And that was the truth. Like I flew home, they

343
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,800
Speaker 2: they on off the map.

344
00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,000
Speaker 3: When I was shooting in Hawaii, in addition to coming

345
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,280
Speaker 3: back to occasionally shoot Grace, I tried to turn down

346
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,159
Speaker 3: off the bat, you know, and at the time I

347
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,200
Speaker 3: was just moving into that, like, you know, offer only

348
00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,879
Speaker 3: blah blah blah thah. I wasn't quite there, and so

349
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,840
Speaker 3: like they were like, I've done the pilot for Shonda.

350
00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,680
Speaker 3: I get They'd offer me the guest spot to play

351
00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,000
Speaker 3: Ben and then they were like, so Shanda wants you

352
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,640
Speaker 3: to come in and A well, no, the network wants

353
00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,520
Speaker 3: you to come in an audition for the Shanda's New show.

354
00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:30,879
Speaker 2: And I was like cool.

355
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,880
Speaker 3: I was super excited and then found I had shot

356
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,439
Speaker 3: in Hawaii and my oldest kid was in first grade,

357
00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,960
Speaker 3: twins just started preschool. I was like, Dad needs to me,

358
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,280
Speaker 3: you know, military kid knows. I was like, no, I'm

359
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,960
Speaker 3: gonna big ill. You're not gonna forget my face. I

360
00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,399
Speaker 3: need to be home. I can't do it. So I

361
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,879
Speaker 3: turned down the audition. They said, they want you to

362
00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,320
Speaker 3: come in and test for can't do it, they said,

363
00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,600
Speaker 3: And finally was like, they're straight off me there. I

364
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,920
Speaker 3: was like, I can't do and finally like Shonda called

365
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,040
Speaker 3: me and goes what the hell?

366
00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,120
Speaker 2: And I was like cause I was like, you know.

367
00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,560
Speaker 3: The whole time, I was like, if I go in

368
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,120
Speaker 3: with thelationship, I have now and looking at this role,

369
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,000
Speaker 3: I can do this role, I can kill this role,

370
00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,680
Speaker 3: and it's exactly the kind of thing I want to do.

371
00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,959
Speaker 3: And then they wrote the show so that like I

372
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 3: had three day weekends, at least three day weekends, like

373
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,479
Speaker 3: at least three weekends a month. That's he was like,

374
00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna screw it up once or twice, but we'll

375
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000
Speaker 3: basically get you home three weekends out of the month

376
00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,560
Speaker 3: for like a long weekend you can do the family thing.

377
00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,439
Speaker 3: And I was like, that can work for my family thing.

378
00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,199
Speaker 3: And the whole thing was they were like and by

379
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,000
Speaker 3: the way, if you watch the show, you'll never notice

380
00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 3: that the characters been I didn't even realize that. Like

381
00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,159
Speaker 3: Audie McDonald, they did the same thing for her on

382
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,959
Speaker 3: private practice, which is why they were like, no, that's

383
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,040
Speaker 3: a doable thing. So she could get home there at

384
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:37,960
Speaker 3: the time, her kid was in New York, you know.

385
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,800
Speaker 3: So it was like having powerful people who, like you said,

386
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,480
Speaker 3: don't weaponize your ego. And in fact, just because the

387
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,000
Speaker 3: natural inclination is to say no to anybody in this town,

388
00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,640
Speaker 3: because no means even when yes is obviously the right answer, yes,

389
00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 3: it's creatively right Yes, gets you more money, But yes

390
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,240
Speaker 3: means you got to learn new stuff. Yes means that

391
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,240
Speaker 3: we've got to you know, this thing's a week dip.

392
00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 3: No means things stay exactly the way they are. I

393
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,399
Speaker 3: don't have to rethink. I don't have to learn anything new.

394
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't have to change anything that I've been doing

395
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,879
Speaker 3: all along. But the same is also boring. Is a

396
00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,360
Speaker 3: reason why we're in this business because we didn't want

397
00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,199
Speaker 3: to sit behind the desk. We want to, like, you know,

398
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 3: we want to explore new stuff. We want to get

399
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 3: out there. Even you're doing the same job, every day

400
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 3: is way different. I mean, so today we're going to

401
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 3: blow something up. Today, you're going to reach into a

402
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,199
Speaker 3: woman's something can pull her baby out. You're gonna, you know,

403
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 3: something insane is going to happen today. So uh yeah.

404
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 3: So they when they say trying to find a way

405
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 3: to make Yes work and then trying to went and

406
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,360
Speaker 3: wrote the book, her book.

407
00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 2: You know, Year of Yes, And I was like, so

408
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,040
Speaker 2: she's just you know, she inspired.

409
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,359
Speaker 3: Mese on multiple levels. And I think that she responded

410
00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 3: to the fact that I was actually trying to take

411
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:44,760
Speaker 3: care of my family.

412
00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,160
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, And I think that's one of the things

413
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 2: that like work for her.

414
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 3: So it's that, I mean, she has a thing at

415
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 3: the end of her email that says, uh, if you're

416
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 3: she used to have it, I'm trying to remember if

417
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 3: she still has it. It's that if you were reading

418
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 3: this email after send clock at night, maybe go be

419
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 3: with your people. Yeah, I mean, and like, that's your

420
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,879
Speaker 3: boss having right, but the priorities are straight. I'll do

421
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 3: anything for I'll do That's.

422
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 1: The kind of theater company I want to be in.

423
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 3: Like, and that's I think there are more people in

424
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 3: this business starting to get that, starting to realize's let's

425
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 3: enjoy it. Let's not kill ourselves doing the job. Let's

426
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 3: let the job actually feed our life instead of suck

427
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 3: life out of us.

428
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: Well, because that's the thing. If you turn, if you

429
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: turn the immense good fortune to be creative for a

430
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 1: living into a punishment, it feels like it feels like

431
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: a like a multiplier of x kind of disservice, like

432
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 1: we should be. Yes, the hours are grueling, Yes, it

433
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 1: can be totally insane. Yes, having to be on a

434
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: plane every seventy eight hours can be nuts. But how

435
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: lucky Still, how lucky And like let's let it be fun.

436
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: We make believe for living. It's the most fundamental human

437
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 3: thing that has ever existed, and we get to do

438
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 3: it for a living.

439
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 2: It's an absolute blessing.

440
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 3: So like, you know, you know, tired, sleepless, whatever, whatever,

441
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey man, the dream.

442
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: The dream. Yeah, I love that. You got to also

443
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: do something that you know, it's not as common in

444
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: our business, but I got to do a little bit

445
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: of it working across the network the universe rather of

446
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf shows, and you did it in Shondaland, and

447
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 1: you went from Gray's on to Station nineteen back onto Grays.

448
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 1: Like taking these characters out into bigger worlds, I think

449
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 1: is just so cool. Like the day that I showed

450
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: up for my first day on SVU as my character

451
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: from PD, I just was like, what is happening? Like

452
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm having the best day. It was my most favorite

453
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: part of my job. Was it super exciting for you

454
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: to get to do that, to get to explore this

455
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: new world but under the same umbrella one.

456
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: Hundred I mean in this you know, I mean look

457
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,360
Speaker 3: and I can I can only imagine because I mean

458
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: mine was we had the same experience with slightly different

459
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: you going on SVU, because being a guest star is

460
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: like the hardest job in all of Hollywood, with the

461
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: possible exception of being a guest director, because you got

462
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 3: to like because you're in somebody else's sandbox, but you've

463
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: got to like bring this whole person. And on our show,

464
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 3: I tell the guest stars all the time, I'm like

465
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 3: extra love on the guest stars because they've got a

466
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: boohoo with their like loved one dying on this you know,

467
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, the love of their life dying on the table,

468
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: or their kid big, you know, and they've got to

469
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 3: like carry so much emotional weight and all this crazy

470
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: stuff and then be funny in the middle of it

471
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 3: and all this stuff. And they're like they know they're

472
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 3: on this like show that's been around for twenty one

473
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 3: you know, it's like this juggernaut, and so like they're

474
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: they're really out of their element, and they've got to be.

475
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 3: They got to do this thing that is only done

476
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 3: well when you are most comfortable. I mean act, You've

477
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: got to be You've got to be comfortable in order

478
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: to act properly. So I always feel like I got

479
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: to cheat, you know, you got cheat a little bit.

480
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: You're going into you know, Mariska's territory, but you're playing

481
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: a character that you knew intimately. You know this character

482
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: inside and out down to our DNA, so you still knew, like,

483
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: I know this character. So even though this is not

484
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: my set, this character is my joint. I got this,

485
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: you know. I got to take a character that I

486
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: knew intimately and go to a show that was being created.

487
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: And helped create that atmosphere.

488
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: How cool.

489
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: So to like be on the ground floor of like yo,

490
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: like this is in the greatest compliment. I'm about to

491
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: get tierry for a second, because you know, we just

492
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 3: rapped nineteen only a few months ago. I literally two

493
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 3: nights ago, had had drinks with my my DP and

494
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: first a D on the episodes that I directed. They're

495
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: in there there, my guys, and uh. But Peter Page,

496
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: the showrunner of the show, said to me and we

497
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: were just talking about the other day and they were

498
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: laughing because his compliment to me was, you don't know

499
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: how much grief we escaped because it was understood amongst

500
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: cast and crew.

501
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh, Jason would never like that's fly.

502
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 3: I mean like like, oh, you're about to throw one

503
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 3: at it's like, and I'm all about respect. So if

504
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: you disrespect me, we got a problem.

505
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 2: And I'm going to talk to you in.

506
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: An intellectual like way, like we're gonna like you will

507
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: not disrespect me. But I also do not do diva

508
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: Like diva is not It does not play in my world.

509
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 3: And you know, you know, And so that was the

510
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: thing that like he said that to me, and I

511
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: was like, I've been good with the ending of the

512
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: show up to that point, you know, and like that

513
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 3: was when I was like, you're not gonna make me.

514
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: Correct, go get me, don't do it.

515
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll be back in just minute. But here's

516
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. I also love that that

517
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: was something so well respected in you. I think that

518
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: speaks to the environment. You know. I like to sit

519
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: squarely in that space as well, treat everyone with immense respect.

520
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Especially I like to go out of my way to make,

521
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: as you were saying, guest stars feel really comfortable, especially

522
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: if someone's going to come in for an arc, you know,

523
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: seven years into a show. I was just talking to

524
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: my girlfriend from Wintree Hill, my friend Janna, about this,

525
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: and she was like, I never even told you what

526
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: it meant to me, like when I showed up there

527
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: for three months that you took me to dinner, you

528
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: took me shopping, you showed me around town. I was like, girl,

529
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: I remember what it felt like to show up on

530
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: that set and be terrified.

531
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 2: Like I get it right, that's and that's what is.

532
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: It's remembering it like never forgetting what it is.

533
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 3: I think that's like Shonda's superpower or like Taylor Swift's superpower.

534
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: Is what's like to be a fan?

535
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, me neither. My friend's making fun

536
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: of me all the time. We'll go to you know

537
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: whatever we got to go do, like the SAG Awards,

538
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, you are a famous person. You can't

539
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: behave this way around other famous people.

540
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, but do you know what it is like?

541
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: And I like that it's never I've never gotten jaded

542
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: about it. And what I'm happy to see shifting is

543
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: like that thing you talk about. There's such leadership and strength.

544
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: And I think particularly for you, as you know, a

545
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: charismatic man with a nice voice like you get to

546
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: come in and say this is what respect looks like.

547
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: Years ago for me, I would find that if I

548
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: would talk about where the boundaries were, like respect is

549
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: required and this kind of behavior won't be tolerated in

550
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: this workplace. I got a lot of like, well, you

551
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: can't talk to people about that, that's not your job.

552
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: And I was like why because I'm the girl and

553
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to be nice, sweet and cute. And

554
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: it's a cool experience too. I think see sets with

555
00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: diverse kinds of leadership, whether that's in terms of you know, gender, race,

556
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: whatever diversity qualifier you want to fill in, because the

557
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: more diversity of leadership there is, the more respect there

558
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: is for different kinds of leadership as well. And you

559
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: see how that makes everybody feel more respected and empowered

560
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: to be the best worker. They can be the best leader,

561
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: they can be the best partner, they can be the

562
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: best advocate they can be. And like I got to

563
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: say again, just as a you know, as a fan

564
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: and a peer, watching the way you navigate that in

565
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: the conversations you've been willing to have about what a

566
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: hair and makeup trailer should be capable of. So the

567
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: actors of color don't walk into a set and go, oh,

568
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be taken care of here. What

569
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: the vibe should be on set where everyone feels immensely respected,

570
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: but nobody has the you know, and nobody has the

571
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: space to be difficult. How you have to be professional

572
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: and you deserve to be treated well, but you shouldn't

573
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: have your ego stroked. How you have a platform, you

574
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: have to spend that privilege and do good for the world,

575
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: Like you're out here doing all the things that I

576
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: believe in in the core of my being. And so

577
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hope it doesn't sound like cheesy,

578
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: but I also want to say thank you because we

579
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: are part of a circus and when we go out

580
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: and advocate sometimes people say, well, how dare you And

581
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: it's like, y'all, we're just here because we're like weird

582
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: union workers, so of course we're going to defend unions,

583
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: and of course we're going to defend our people. And

584
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: so I don't know. When I see other people like

585
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: carrying all, you know, putting all of those things in

586
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: their backpack and marching along, I really appreciate it.

587
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: No, I got mad love for you.

588
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: I mean not to turn it into the mutual love fest,

589
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: but but you know, look, my mom would say, you know,

590
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: when you have eyes on you. It's your duty to

591
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: turn that days to what they need to be looking at.

592
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: I mean, don't make it about you.

593
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: Make it about like, look at this thing that's really

594
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: important or like you should be making and you are

595
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: all about that have been since day one, and use

596
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: the platform good and then the whole and then this

597
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: world where people are like, you know, shut up and dribble.

598
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Celebrities should keep their mouths shut, and I'm like, no,

599
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: everybody should be talking, but everybody should be making sure

600
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: they actually really do their research and have their stuff type.

601
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 3: I mean, so you know, like I have friends who

602
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: are like, how do you not get blow Like I

603
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: don't get that much blowback when I advocate for stuff

604
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: on social media. I'm like, how do you not get

605
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: the blowback? And I go, well, part of it is

606
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 3: I say it like I'm sitting with you at the

607
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 3: dinner table. I mean, because I'm from a like I said,

608
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: a military town in Virginia, a very purple state, you know,

609
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 3: Like I have tons of friends that are very conservative,

610
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: very religious, very right, you know that sort of thing.

611
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, but at the end of the day,

612
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: if I talk to you and we're trying to solve

613
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: a problem as opposed to win some theoretical debate. I mean,

614
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: if I talk like a human being, then you can't

615
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: get that. You can't get mad. I mean, we can disagree,

616
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: but you can't, you know, like so like in solving

617
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: the problems on sets, or solving the problems in the industry,

618
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: and I mean like working with SAG after and being

619
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: in rooms.

620
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: I was in the.

621
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: Negotiating room for you when we went on strike, and

622
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: there was are you know, knee deep in that. But

623
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: there have been three times where I was ever where

624
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, I think I just ended my career.

625
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, I was like, I'm gonna go home.

626
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: My wife's going to be really really upset with me.

627
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 3: She was like, maybe you should shut them up. But

628
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: the reality is it doesn't happen. And the reason why

629
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: is because business is business. And when you approach business

630
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: from a take care of your workers. I'm one of

631
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: your workers. Here's what we need to do a better

632
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: job for you and for us, like help us, help you, right,

633
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: you know, And so when you approach it from the

634
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: we're trying to solve problems here, I'm going to show you,

635
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: mister City Executive, mister cdeo, mister whoever it is that's

636
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: in position of power, that's management. I'm going to show

637
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: you problems that are problems for us that will become

638
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: your problem. Yes, Like if I if I don't have

639
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: health care, that's going to become your problem. Very free.

640
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: I mean if I do't have if I can't feed

641
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: my family, if I have to get a second job,

642
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: guess what my productivity at you is going to go

643
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: weigh down, Like, so let's help me help you.

644
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: And when you come in from that.

645
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: Standpoint, it's real hard to get mad at folks. You know,

646
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: they might be annoyed because it's like it's going to

647
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: cost me money. But again, it's a business. You got

648
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: to spend money to make money. Bro, you knew that

649
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: you got in the gate, you knew you know, it's

650
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: what you started up for. So when you approach it

651
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: from that kind of like, let's solve problems, not win

652
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: debates or win fights, Yes, then I think people chill out.

653
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: And I think when you go on social media and

654
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: you're trying to solve problems and you talk to people

655
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: like they're actually instead of looking for the ultimate clap

656
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: back and you know, let me uh, you know, let

657
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: me make sure I get my likes.

658
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: It's like I will take fewer likes and actually have

659
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: people actually.

660
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: Hear my same instead of just preaching to people who

661
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: agree with me and just want to shout down the

662
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: other side and win that absolutely win some philosophical debate.

663
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: What was it like sitting on the board because you know,

664
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: now you're also the chair of the National Union's Diversity

665
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Advisory Committee, so you have stayed in this leadership role

666
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: in SAG since the strike. And one of the things

667
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I found really impressive about it is that it finally

668
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: helped poke holes in this illusion that like all the

669
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Hollywood people are privileged, you know, and that everyone's just

670
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: rolling in money. It's like, no, most of us are

671
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: circus performers and most of the people in our union

672
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: are working paycheck to paycheck, Like, come on, y'all at best,

673
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: and you know, I think people finally, especially I thought

674
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: it was really really powerful when Taraji opened up about

675
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: what it actually looks looks like to be a business

676
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: as an entertainer, and you start to say like, yeah, guys,

677
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: if I make a dollar, my agent makes ten cents,

678
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: my manager makes ten cents. My lawyer takes, you know,

679
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: depending on the job, five to ten cents. A publicist

680
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: takes ten cents. If you have an assistant to help

681
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: you manage your life because you're on set for eighteen

682
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: hours a day, they're taking ten cents. The government's taken

683
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Like, got I got to make a dollar

684
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: to maybe take home ten or fifteen cents? And people go,

685
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: oh shit, and it's like, yeah, I eat. Everybody eats.

686
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of why when we talk about like healthcare,

687
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: we're like, well, there is enough money, Like maybe if

688
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: we didn't charge thirty thousand dollars for an MRI that

689
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, oversees costs a nine hundred bucks, Like, there

690
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: is actually enough money to keep the people healthy. You

691
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: just got to split it up a little bit better.

692
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people went, oh, we

693
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 1: didn't realize this about your industry. We didn't understand what

694
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: your unions did. We didn't totally get that. You know,

695
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: the Actors' union's on set with the construction Union and

696
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: the transportation union. It's like, yeah, we're just a bunch

697
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: of weirdos, like hanging out trying to entertain you. I

698
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: thought it was so powerful to tell more of the

699
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: truth and to really talk about workers' rights from you know,

700
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: these platforms that we have, as you say, you know,

701
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: to I always the way your mom talks about I

702
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: always say like, oh, if you turn the spotlight on me,

703
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab it and turn it back like over here.

704
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: And I guess I just wonder, like, after all these years,

705
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, because you talk about your career, and obviously

706
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: fourteen years in Shondaland is huge, but like you have,

707
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, more than fifty guest starring roles in nine

708
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: series regular roles, and like you have been a working

709
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 1: actor for a long time. What was it like to

710
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: rather than just get behind the camera, like get behind

711
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: the boardroom table and really start to see inside union leadership.

712
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: No, it's funny because actually that's that's that precedes any

713
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: of the what people did describe a success and acting.

714
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Wait, your your work with the union.

715
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: I've been working with the union since like for almost

716
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: my entire time in the industry. Uh, to be dead dead.

717
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: Honestly, do not know that I'm a union kid.

718
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm a super labor guy because unions built the middle

719
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: class in this country. You know, you like having they

720
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: worked with it. They can't you know, they can't work

721
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 3: you seven days a week for four hours a day.

722
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 3: You know your union did that. You're welcome. I mean

723
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: most people get their health insurance through their work because

724
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: unions fought for it.

725
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean unions eight hour work days.

726
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: I could just go on and on and on, workers

727
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: compensation for injury at work, all of it.

728
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: My mom was president of the teachers Union where I

729
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: grew up.

730
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: UH, And my mom was a She taught learning disabled

731
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: kids UH in middle school in Norvil, Virginia.

732
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: Then you know Norfolk, Virginia.

733
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 3: Basically it's all right, there's one city, like you drive

734
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: five minutes here in Norfolk. And she was the president

735
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: of the Novel Education Association, and then when she retired

736
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: from the classroom, she went to work for the Virginia

737
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: Beach Education Association throughout the Virginia Education Association is like,

738
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many when I you know,

739
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: I'll do I'll still do, you know, I'll you know,

740
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: Virginia politics, how many like people who are in an

741
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 3: elected office know my mom and that sort of thing.

742
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: She's just that person, she like is not a quiet woman,

743
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: and she is like this force of nature kind of person.

744
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: Having that as my north star. As I'm thinking about

745
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: becoming an actor, there were two things. I was like,

746
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 3: let me figure out, and this is her thing from

747
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: being an educator, I'm following on this. She would never

748
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 3: say no. She would ask me questions until you either

749
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: realize it was a stupid idea or you had a plan. Right,

750
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: So eventually, unless you're an idiot, you start figuring out

751
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: the questions she's going to ask you and start finding

752
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 3: solutions to those answers, so it sounds like you actually

753
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: had a plan and coming in, so you don't sell

754
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: like the idiot when you realize, oh, that was a

755
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: really dumb idea, you're right and you got answers for

756
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: so as I'm thinking I want to become an actor,

757
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: I was like, actors never work, how do you know?

758
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah blah, And I realized I wanted to

759
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: go to go graduate school only because everybody comes to

760
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: LA takes acting classes. I was like, well, let me

761
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: go do nothing but acting classes, like not have to

762
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: do a day job. So for three years I just

763
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 3: was in eight in the morning to five.

764
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: At night, class, sixth at night to it to a

765
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: ten at night rehearsals for the play you were doing,

766
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 4: and then you woulds the scenes that you had for

767
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: the other part of the day, so like literally, and

768
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: then on Saturdays it was ten in the morning to

769
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: sixth at nine, Right.

770
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: So graduate school was going to get me the ability

771
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: to teach acting, so that could be my day job, right,

772
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: teach acting. And then the second thing was there's this union, right,

773
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: there's this union that protects you. That's where you it

774
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: was an actor. You know, it's like suddenly in my

775
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: mind because of my mother's kid and I knew this

776
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: is the response to her when she asked the question.

777
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: You're an actor, you're on your own. It's you versus

778
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: the entire world. And I'm like, there's a union and

779
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: means you never own your own. That's the whole. So

780
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: you know, unions where you get your health insurance, unions

781
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 3: where you get your pension. Right, I didn't even know about.

782
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 3: I wasn't even think about, but I heard that.

783
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: I just knew my mom.

784
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: Cared about those things. I was like, you know, I

785
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 3: was twenty, you know what I mean. I'm like, I'm

786
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: not thinking about a pension, but I knew she cared

787
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: about a pension.

788
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Being able to say that Union gives.

789
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: Me a pension. She cared, so I started showing up.

790
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 3: But this is where Rammed Home for Me was on

791
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 3: my very first gig. It was this daytime soap that

792
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: I did for Aaron Spelling, Rest of His Soul. He

793
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: also put me my first primetime gig. Somebody called and said,

794
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: we're you know, daytime soaps aren't usually syndicated internationally. It's

795
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 3: Aaron Spelling, so we were. We were like on one

796
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty countries around the world, Like there are

797
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: people I had met people in Zimbabwe who are like, hey,

798
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: you know, And it was funny because it was actually

799
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 3: when I finally went to Zimbabwe, people knew that show

800
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: and they knew greats and that made me laugh hard

801
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: because I got involved with the Union because literally somebody said, hey,

802
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: my friend was traveling in Zimbabwe and apparently we're on

803
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: the aeron Zimbabwe this Aaron Spelling soap opera, and I said,

804
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: that's so cool. Did we get a Zimbabwe check? And

805
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: nobody knew if we got a Zimbabwe check, So I

806
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: contacted the Union and turns out we hadn't gotten our

807
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: Zimbabwe check. Turns out our Zimbabwe check was way overdue,

808
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: and so the union got us our check and got

809
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: us the penalty payment on top of it. I mean,

810
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: for me, how many days late? And I was like

811
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: union got From that point on, I was sticking my

812
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: nose into it because I was like, if we do

813
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 3: need to go out on strike, I want to I

814
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: want to know exactly what it's about, to know that

815
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: it's righteous and we don't need to go out on strike.

816
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that we don't have somebody

817
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 3: taking the trains off the tracks ego or our lives

818
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: kind of thing. You know. It was like I want

819
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: to you know, what's the handle, and then I want

820
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: to be in the room where it happened. I was

821
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: able to do that. So I've been on negotiating committee

822
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: since like two thousand and one, stuff like that, and

823
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: it was cool and even that first one, like I

824
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 3: was able to and then realize that this is what

825
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: I preach about the union is all you need is

826
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: your work experience. You need to know anything about how

827
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: all the rest of this crap works. You don't need

828
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: to speak lawyer. You need to be a lawyer. You

829
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: don't need to speak lawyer. You don't need to speak

830
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 3: contract language. Be an actor and have some experiences and

831
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: as an actor, and we have union leaders and we

832
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: have staff lawyers and staff that will translate your work

833
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: experience into.

834
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: Contract language to help solve problems, you know.

835
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember the first in that very first

836
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: negotiation up there, and they were and we were trying

837
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 3: to pass a thing about what's called paint downs, which

838
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: is where the stunt community.

839
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: It's a problem with the stun community.

840
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 3: Occasionally it's not huge, but when it shows up, it's

841
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: so egregious. It freaks people out because it's literally getting

842
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: me a person of color and a stunt. My stunt

843
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: double will be a Caucasian person and you literally use

844
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: make them to paint them down, to literally put them

845
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 3: in black face, to double me. Oh, it's the equivalent

846
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: where they get a man to double you. And usually

847
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: the reason why is, you know, safety's paramount, and safety

848
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: is always paramount, but the excuse is always well, we

849
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 3: need to do it safely, and we couldn't find a

850
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 3: woman to do it, or we couldn't do it safely

851
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: and we couldn't find a person of color to do it.

852
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: And I'm like you didn't look hard.

853
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: You just didn't look hard enough.

854
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: Because I and I had exactly that experience just three

855
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: months before that negotiation. And in that negotiation, literally I'll

856
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: never forget this, one really curmudgeonly person on the other

857
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: side of the table was like, this is in the

858
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties.

859
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 2: That doesn't happen.

860
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: And I was able to raise my hand and go

861
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: three months to me, and then instantly we were in

862
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: a side room because they just you know, and we

863
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: were getting contract language, you know.

864
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: And the problem is you never solve a problem.

865
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: So I feel like sol often you don't solve the problem,

866
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: you're managing it. Because we had to come back for

867
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: the same problem ten years later and then another seven

868
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: years later and we dealt with it. So this contract,

869
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: but you come forward and it's the work experience that

870
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: means something. So it's yeah, So for me, I understand

871
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: you being a part of the union and how much

872
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: the union protects to me, and how much you showing

873
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: up and using your voice and putting your experience and

874
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: advocating for yourself and for your peers means more than

875
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: I understand what it means to be a you know,

876
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: TV star. Yes, absolutely, that's newer in my world than

877
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: the union piece.

878
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors who make this

879
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: show possible even as a woman. Like in our last

880
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: contract negotiation when we were trying to increase protections for

881
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: women on set, there were we did a side call

882
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: because I was like, listen, I have not been in

883
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: this position, but hypothetical, Okay, let's say we have to

884
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: go do an episode of Westworld on HBO show a

885
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: lot of nudity, especially with women. You know, you get

886
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: into some of those Western towns and like these background

887
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: girls they're essentially shooting like you know what looks to

888
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: be orgies, and they're like, well, now it's going to be.

889
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: If you show up on set and they tell you

890
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: as a background doctor you have to be naked, you

891
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: can say no and leave with no penalty. And I

892
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: was like, do y'all think women trying to get their

893
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: foot in the door who have no power can leave

894
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: and potentially there's supposed to be fifty of them in

895
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: the scene and twenty five of them leave, And you

896
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: think those women aren't going to get blackballed by that

897
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 1: first d a D staff for fucking up their shot. Day

898
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: of said absolutely, not. There has to be language in advance,

899
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: like you should know two days before your set call

900
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: if you are expected to be without your clothing, so

901
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: you can say I'm actually unavailable and they can find

902
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: someone else and nobody needs to know why. Yeah have

903
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: to protect these people. And it was really interesting to

904
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: see some members of the committee go oh, and I

905
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: was like, you've just you've never been a woman on

906
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: a set. You don't know and that's why. Yes, of course,

907
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's why I bring it up

908
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I loved seeing that language make it in.

909
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: But it required people being like, no one will say

910
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: you're going to be black bald, but they'll they'll they'll

911
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: get pretty close. And what we have to do is

912
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: eradicate the circumstance where someone could be black bald in

913
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: the first place. And it's like, that's what I find

914
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: exciting about what you're saying for anyone listening at home. Look,

915
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about our experiences as actors. But your experience

916
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: in the workplace can make your workplace better. You can

917
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: be the aha moment. You can turn on the light

918
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: bulb for people, whether it's you know, inside your own union,

919
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: or you turn around and realize that because of your job,

920
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: you have power in another sector. It's like, it's what

921
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: you're doing with Brady, which is you know so close

922
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: to my heart, Like I got my first rifle when

923
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: I was Oh my dad, you know, he spent his

924
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: summers on a chicken farm in Canada. Like I'm not

925
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: an anti gun person. I am vehemently anti insane gun

926
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: laws like we have in America, but to create healthier circumstance,

927
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, my dad's history is his my mom's

928
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: father was a navy guy, Like you talk about growing

929
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: up in a military family. Like you know, I did

930
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: weapons work in TV. I've done it on films, Like

931
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the sanity conversation that you guys are

932
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: having it Brady, that you know Vice President Harris and

933
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: now Governor Wallaser having with us, Like you know, they

934
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: were like he's coming for the guns, and people like

935
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: put out that cute photo of him and his dog

936
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: like out burning with a rightfle.

937
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, y'all this is it doesn't have.

938
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: To be crazy. We can have sane conversations. How did

939
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: you know in addition to all your advocacy for the

940
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: union and our industry. How did the sane gun ownership

941
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: and reining in the conversation about you know, guns and

942
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: gun violence. How did that get on your radar?

943
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I mean the short answer is, I'm

944
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: a dad.

945
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean, and it gets you paying attention to you know,

946
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 3: because when you're young and single, you're invincible.

947
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: You can you know, I'm indestructible, you can't do anything.

948
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: And then you start thinking about the things that can

949
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: hurt your kids and you realize that they've hurt people.

950
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 3: That sort of thing.

951
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: Now that's it.

952
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: I'd also and does the world start to pay more

953
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: attention to it? And started to think about guns differently.

954
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: I started to realize things. You know, my cousin, Daryl

955
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: Whipman was was shot and killed and his murder never found.

956
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't think of that as gun violence.

957
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: You think of that as like, you know, a senseless killing.

958
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: And they said that, so there's things involved and blah

959
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: blah blah. And then like I have members of my

960
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 3: family who've had crazy domestic abuse issues, guns involved, threatened

961
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: with guns, that sort of thing. But that's domestic but

962
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: that's a whole separate thing that's not gun violence. And

963
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: then you're like, and then I know, we actually have

964
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: a dear family friend who was the flip side of

965
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 3: that domestic violence scenario where he and the mother of

966
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: his daughter made each other insane because they had that

967
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: passionate on again off again, would test each other, proke

968
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: each other's blogs president and then he had too easy

969
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: access of a gun and he will never see the

970
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 3: outside of a prison again. And the testament to how

971
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: much that was not him was that the victim's mother,

972
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 3: his daughter's grandmother, testified that he should not get the

973
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: death penalty.

974
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: But that was not him.

975
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, you've got to

976
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: put it on. Everybody snaps and says things they don't mean.

977
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: Every once in a while, hopefully it's every once in

978
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: a long while, you have a moment where you uncharacteristically

979
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 3: loud or do something out of character. A gun in

980
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 3: close proximity makes that horrible and in ways that you

981
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: can never take back, and that will change everyone's life.

982
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes that regrettable thing you said, a horrifically

983
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: unimaginable thing that no one can believe you did. And

984
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: that's heavy.

985
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: And so all of those things started to coalesce in

986
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 3: the I started realizing gun violence has been affecting my

987
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,479
Speaker 3: life all this time, and I'm looking at my kids

988
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: now having to do you know, active shooter drills, and

989
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 3: how traumatizing that can be because you know, you don't

990
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: want your kid to think about it. I mean, you know,

991
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: we did fire drills and like that was like that

992
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: was annoying, but hey, we got to get outside for

993
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: a little bit. I remember bringing in elementary school, but

994
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 3: the idea that somebody was going to come and try

995
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: and hurt you was a far more threatening, you know.

996
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: And now we're looking and that. You know, then the

997
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: more you start to pay attention, the more you start

998
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: to freak out and realize that, Like there were laws

999
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: that said that we couldn't research gun violence for decades,

1000
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: which was insane, Like we can't research this thing. That's

1001
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 3: how partisan it had become. That's how we'rediculously about people

1002
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 3: trying to win a fight as opposed to solve the problem. Yes,

1003
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: we're going to solve the problem. Let's just research it.

1004
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: Like I'm not even saying we're going to pass a law.

1005
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: I'm saying, let's just let's just get real numbers and

1006
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 3: facts on the table.

1007
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: So we can all talk about it. And when that

1008
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: went away.

1009
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: Now we're having this open floodgates of information where we're realizing,

1010
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 3: you know, the number one cause of death for children

1011
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 3: in America today is guns.

1012
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's nuts. That's that's sugges nuts.

1013
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: And and you know every other country people struggle with depression,

1014
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: people are having a hard time at work, people have anxiety.

1015
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: They all watch the same movies we do and play

1016
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: the same video games we do. It's the guns, It's.

1017
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, we're you know, the idea that you know,

1018
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: you know, the going thing that stops the back guy

1019
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: with the gun is a good guy with the gun

1020
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: or guns making people taper. You're like, we have four

1021
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: times as many guns. We have four times as many

1022
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: uh you know guns, as much gun violence is yeah,

1023
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: as any other country in the world.

1024
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 2: And that's just not an accent.

1025
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: Well, and I think we've we've seen, we have enough

1026
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: proof to know that that adage is just not accurate.

1027
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: You know, women are five times more likely to die

1028
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: in a domestic violence situation if there is a gun

1029
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: in the house. We have seen, I mean we saw

1030
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: it in Uvaldi. What happened at that school in Texas.

1031
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: How many armed, trained, good guys with guns were there

1032
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: and those children were executed, you know, very similarly to

1033
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: your family story. My little cousin was the little girl

1034
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: shot and killed the day Gabby Gifford's was shot in Arizona,

1035
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: and you know, she was an elected official. There were

1036
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: armed police. It's like this idea that more guns helps

1037
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: has been disproven, and I think I think in particular,

1038
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: it's important for folks like us to help have these

1039
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: conversations because it is is you know, the the on

1040
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: screen firefighters or cops. It is the movies about the

1041
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: good guys that make us think like, oh, it's doable.

1042
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: We love a hero story. But data is not a story,

1043
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: and data is not an opinion, and data is not

1044
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: an emotion. It's just fact, and we have the facts.

1045
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: It's inconvenient.

1046
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's why they tried to make it illegal to

1047
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: research gun violence for so long, because it was inconvenient

1048
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: to the profit of the gun industry.

1049
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm so proud of the Brady campaign

1050
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: doing the trigger warning.

1051
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you tell us about that?

1052
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a guy that they literally are going to

1053
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: the media. I mean, you just hit the nail on

1054
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 3: the head that you know, how many people learned, you know,

1055
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: learned to think that smoking was cool because they watched

1056
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: people do it in the movies, and that's sort of thing.

1057
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: Well, we all learned to think that guns are cool

1058
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: because we watched movies and TV.

1059
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 3: Well, Brady campaign is, you know, trigger Warning is about

1060
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 3: let's have conversations with the industry to figure out how

1061
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: to make gun safety cool. Right. Yeah, and again not

1062
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: anti gun. You said, you know you shoot, I'm a

1063
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: good shot. Every I grewup around guns my entire life.

1064
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 3: The reality is when you see the cop shooting at

1065
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: the bad guys, he runs down the street and he

1066
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 3: gets an he's heroic, and everybody pats him on the

1067
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: back for you know, getting the bad guy of all.

1068
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: You know, let's let's roll it back and say, let's

1069
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: have the cop get yelled at you because you know,

1070
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: one we begin to think that all cops are firing

1071
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: at bad guys all the time and that's cool. And

1072
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: then you find out that like something like one in

1073
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: four police officers have ever fired their gun in a

1074
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: line of dude, you suddenly go, oh, that's a completely

1075
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: disproportioned idea. Of what's going on.

1076
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: So let's let's make it a more realistic scenario you can.

1077
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: Let's find another way to make it cool in action

1078
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: without necessarily or let's have the cop get yelled at

1079
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: for firing in a crowd.

1080
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: Yes, out in public where you could have endangered the

1081
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: lives of other people.

1082
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 3: Right, we percussions for the discharge of your weapon and

1083
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and then simple little things like uh,

1084
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 3: like you know, how many movies have you seen where

1085
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: they know they have a gun underneath their pillow, they

1086
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 3: have a gun in their in their side.

1087
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean, we have candidates.

1088
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: Talking about how their grandmother had guns in this drawer

1089
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 3: and that drawer and guns all over the house, and

1090
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: I just thought, that's just begging for somebody to catch

1091
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: a bullet.

1092
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean again, another stat for you.

1093
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 3: One out of every four kids says that they have

1094
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 3: handled a gun without their parents.

1095
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: Knowing about it.

1096
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: Yes, so the kids are and as a mischievous kid,

1097
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: I guarantee you your kid knows where your gun is.

1098
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 3: I guarantee you. You know, if you have multiple kids,

1099
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: at least one of them is figured out where it

1100
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: is and you know, and then it is showing it

1101
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: to friends and seyada YadA YadA. We all know these

1102
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 3: stories and people think about it may be part of

1103
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 3: these stories, and then you know, these are the moments

1104
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: when I go, how did we not die back in

1105
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: the day, Yes, there is you were lucky because there

1106
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: are kids that do you know eight kids die every day,

1107
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: and so it's the so like so if you have

1108
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: in the show, if you see the cop come home

1109
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: from work, they didn't discharge their their weapon. They got

1110
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: the you know, information that they got the bad guy

1111
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 3: in a more responsible, more realistic way. They come home,

1112
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: they take their gun out and they put it into

1113
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: their they then into the secure box.

1114
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: Then that becomes just cool.

1115
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: That becomes the way you handle this as opposed to

1116
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 3: this wild West mens out I mean, and again we

1117
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 3: changed mythology. We think the wild West was so wild

1118
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: there were tons of towns in the wild West where

1119
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: you had to leave your gun at the border of

1120
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: the town, where you couldn't come into town with your guns.

1121
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: Specifically because we've never seen that on screen.

1122
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 3: No I've never seen you know, like, well, who's making

1123
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: that movie? And so putting that out there in a

1124
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: chance to just like with that wild West, example, show

1125
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: something that's cool and interesting and get completely historically accurate.

1126
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: You know, like you know, just.

1127
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: Like you know the tons of black cowboys and like go, oh,

1128
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: that's not the We only know what Hollywood shows us.

1129
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 2: We only know what newsreel show us.

1130
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: That sort of thing.

1131
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: You and so flipping the script and take a little

1132
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 3: look at your script. You don't have to change your

1133
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 3: story fundamentally. You don't have to change how your heroin

1134
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: gets down. You don't have to change that much. But

1135
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: a little touch here and a little touch there will

1136
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: really begin to change the way we all view gun safety.

1137
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, having a secure lockbox is cool, it's smart.

1138
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: Protects my kids. If you show a kid and if

1139
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 3: you show the ramifications of not blocking you know safely,

1140
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: that's a great storyline.

1141
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: That's the thing, you know. I've got the show to do.

1142
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: In this last season an episode about extreme risk protection

1143
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: orders most people known as like red flag laws, and

1144
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: there's basically the laws that we're ad say, if this

1145
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 3: person is demonstrably uh a danger to themselves or others,

1146
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: you can take.

1147
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: A domestic violence situation. You can take their guns away.

1148
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: It is the prime I mean domestic violence and mental

1149
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: uh and and someone who's mentally unhealthy. Mental illness are

1150
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: the two prime examples where you can say, yo, this

1151
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: veteran is in a really bad place, and this is

1152
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 3: the thing where I feel like we've got because the

1153
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 3: whole joke, the whole goal now is to get.

1154
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: Everybody on the same page.

1155
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: Yes, remember we watched the scene, the social media posts

1156
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: of it's the guy who was a he's a self

1157
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 3: proclaimed gun nut.

1158
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 2: That's how he would refer to himself. I'm a gun nut.

1159
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: I want that one. I want that one, I want

1160
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: that one.

1161
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: And it's a funny bit and everything like that, and

1162
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 3: he shoots and it's and that's all great, that's fine.

1163
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 3: But even he would say, if you're a veteran and

1164
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: you're in a dark place, maybe give your guns to

1165
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: your buddy. Yeah, maybe give your guns to your body.

1166
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: Because if a veteran's going to kill themselves, it's going

1167
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: to be with a gun. Yes, no, uh, you know,

1168
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: police officers, they're going to do it.

1169
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: They were.

1170
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: And people forget how much suicide is the bulk of

1171
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: gun violence. Yes, and again it's and again, the more

1172
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: you start to learn, the more you start to it

1173
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 3: starts to reshape what you picture as gun violence. We

1174
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: all think of mass shooters because that is the big,

1175
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: scary what causes that? How do you ever prevent that?

1176
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: And we realize how much of it really is preventable.

1177
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: And again this and this is my argument to the

1178
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 3: whole more guns. I'm like, bounce prevention is worth a

1179
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: pound of cure. Right, So, if we can separate the

1180
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: mentally unhealthy person from their guns just while they're in

1181
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: their dark space, if we're going to separate the abuser

1182
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: from their guns while the person being abused is still

1183
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: vulnerable until they get to a safe place, until things

1184
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: have calmed down in that relationship. If you can separate

1185
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: the mentally unhealthy person who's angry, who's been bullied at school,

1186
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, if you can separate them from

1187
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: the guns or make it difficult to access guns.

1188
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: You know, most school shooters.

1189
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: I think something the number is like something like seventy

1190
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 3: six percent of school shooters that are teens got the

1191
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: gun from their own or a friend's house. Yes, that

1192
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: neck end goes too. If it was in a lock box.

1193
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: They wouldn't add access.

1194
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: I can't get to my you know I can get

1195
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 3: to my friend's house maybe, but I you know, and

1196
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: even if he showed me where his parents keep their gun,

1197
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: I don't know the code. If there's a code, right,

1198
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: it was just in a drawer, came on and nothing

1199
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: and there's nothing to stop me. It's about putting those

1200
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 3: impediments between people and doing damage to themselves up. Bunce

1201
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: of prevention is worth of pound of cure. And when

1202
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: you talk about it in real calm, trying to solve

1203
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 3: the problem, not win some political fight. Right, I don't

1204
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: care about that. I mean over a beer. I have

1205
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: yet to meet a gun owner who, over a beer

1206
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: would acknowledge that. The fact that I can walk.

1207
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: In screaming about how much.

1208
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: My wife pissed me off, and when I get home,

1209
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah, punk down my id, get a

1210
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 3: case of beer and AK forty seven.

1211
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 2: That's a bad.

1212
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: Idea, A bad idea. He's just it's a bad idea.

1213
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: Period, bad idea. And at the end of the day,

1214
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: it's like this because it makes a lot of people

1215
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: a lot of money. The gun lobby has made so

1216
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: much money making the rest of us unsafe. As as

1217
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: a hobbyist, as a gun owner. That pisses me off.

1218
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: The idea that they have sold people on marketing that

1219
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: folks at home need to have weapons of war in

1220
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: their garages. I'm like enough, And I loved what Secretary

1221
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: Buddhacheg said back on the campaign trail leading into the

1222
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. He was like, listen, you want to

1223
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: say we can't infringe on your Second Amendment rights? Enough,

1224
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: He goes, because you can't have a predator drone. I

1225
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: say that as a veteran. You don't get to have one.

1226
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: So there's a line somewhere, and we need to walk

1227
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: the line back to these types of weapons. And I

1228
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: was like, wow, that's the best way I've ever heard

1229
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: a person say, like I can't buy a tank. I

1230
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: can't do that, and I don't and I shouldn't be

1231
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: able to.

1232
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: Well, the reality is, I mean, and I'm the first

1233
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: one to say shooting guns is fun. Shooting is fun,

1234
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: and it is funny. I'm like shows blowing stuff up.

1235
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: There are rules about dynamite.

1236
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: There's rules about dynamite, nitriglitz you, I mean, and that's

1237
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: just and that's that's the thing.

1238
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: And so it's just common sense things and so that's

1239
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 3: why I'm like so proud of like the the you know,

1240
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 3: I mean, look the trigger warning getting Hollywood to start

1241
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: to reframe how we see it in media. I mean

1242
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: it was put together by the Hollywood Health and Society, uh,

1243
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: you know, at the the US's Norman Lear Center, and

1244
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: I give them, I give them, you know, and it

1245
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: makes me laugh because I go, Norman Lear at the

1246
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: heart of so many cool things in America. I mean, yeah,

1247
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: shows that brought black folks into your home every week

1248
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: were from Norman Lear that put women at the front

1249
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 3: of being funny.

1250
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Where Norman Lear uh that.

1251
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: Like got into the controversial stuff and made it funny

1252
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: so we could laugh, chill out and talk about it.

1253
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: Of course, Norman Lear and Hollywood Health and Society at

1254
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: the heart of that because you know, like let's just

1255
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 3: talk about it, like not not argue about it. Like

1256
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,479
Speaker 3: we're gonna show you what, We're going to break it open.

1257
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: We'll make you laugh about it, will make you cry

1258
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 3: about it, and then we're going to make you think

1259
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: about it.

1260
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: Like for ree, it's making space for the entire human

1261
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: experience of problem solving.

1262
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a relief problem. Don't just win the fight

1263
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: and now a.

1264
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Word from our sponsors. So where do people go, Like,

1265
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: if this kind of you know, sane and inclusive dialogue

1266
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: sounds great to people, how do our listeners get involved?

1267
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: Well, you can check you can check out Hollywood Health

1268
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 3: and Society. You can check out Brady Campaign. I do

1269
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 3: work with every Town and Mom's Demand Action. I mean,

1270
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: these are these groups are out there getting it done

1271
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: and uh, and I love them all and they each

1272
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 3: have real special niches. Uh. How the Health Society is

1273
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 3: talking to Hollywood h literally and was on the forefront

1274
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 3: of getting people to realize, you know, the power that

1275
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: we have, ah, and some of the mistakes that we've

1276
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: been making unintentionally, uh, in the kind of messaging that

1277
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: we put out there, and that we can just a

1278
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 3: simple little flip. You don't lose any of the power

1279
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: of the story, but you can make a big difference.

1280
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 3: And then on the other end of the spectrum, you

1281
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: got Mom's Demand Action that I love. That's so they're

1282
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: all greased, but Mom's Man Action. It's like, I mean,

1283
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: I'm I remember when like Mom's against drunk driving changed

1284
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 3: the entire situation, and it wasn't The laws eventually were

1285
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 3: part of it. But really what they did was they

1286
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 3: made it uncool to drive drunk. They made it cool

1287
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: to ask you to tell you to get your friend

1288
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: to give you the keys because I know you've been drinking,

1289
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 3: you know. So now my hope is that we're going

1290
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: to make it cool to ask when your kids go

1291
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: over for play date, ask if there are guns in

1292
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: the home? Yes, and then asking the follow up of

1293
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: properly yes. It makes it cool to have the conversation,

1294
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: get a fight, It makes it It's making it cool

1295
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: for Hollywood to show responsible gun safety and a lot

1296
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: of boxes and that sort of thing. You know, that's

1297
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: all making that stuff cool is the thing, and I

1298
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 3: think that's what Mom's demand action is about. I think

1299
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: when Hollywood Health Society has taking that and really getting people,

1300
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: they're like showing, you know, putting trigger warning in their

1301
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 3: face and making them understand. So you can find them

1302
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 3: on social media, you can find their websites. They're out there.

1303
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's your friends and neighbors. Everybody's

1304
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: in this conversation.

1305
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: And what I want, what I pray is you know,

1306
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: you as a person who's used guns, and me as

1307
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: a person you know, like all the gun owners getting

1308
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: the game. Then the gun owners start getting in the

1309
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: game because that fear of they're going to take the guns.

1310
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: It's like, no, we're going to control gun safety. It's

1311
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: not they're going to do anything. It's we are going

1312
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 3: to make ourselves safer. And it doesn't mean but it's

1313
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: not about taking the guns. It's about let's make sure

1314
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: we're smart. We're just gun safety just be a watch

1315
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: word that we all pay attention to exactly.

1316
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: I love it, I absolutely love it. There's a lot.

1317
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we've covered a lot, from your twenty fifth

1318
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: anniversary to parenthood to you know, career and advocacy and

1319
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: all of these things you have You've done so much,

1320
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: and you've you've also given so much with your career

1321
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: and with your platform. I wonder as you sit here,

1322
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: you got to come to terms of the fact that

1323
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is going to be over before we

1324
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: know it. As you kind of look out ahead over

1325
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: the rest of the year and beyond what what feels

1326
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: like you're work in progress right now?

1327
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: Oh, my work, My work in progress is I've.

1328
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 3: It's funny because I'm I'm staring at empty nester. I mean,

1329
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: I got sixteen olds driving cars. They can get themselves

1330
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 3: to and from where they need to be on their own.

1331
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: They can uber if they need to because they're they're

1332
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 3: older responsible.

1333
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: I think he drive themselves there and so you know,

1334
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: and I've won in college and so.

1335
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm it is that thing right now where I'm starting

1336
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 3: to do more things for me, which, funny enough, some

1337
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: of that's in the business, you know, things that I

1338
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: was like, just notice the Grindstone show up, get the

1339
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: work done, build the acting career. And now I'm like,

1340
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: I want to be a part of creating this thing

1341
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 3: from the jump, from get go and bringing the elements together.

1342
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: And that's exciting and also just enjoying book. We just

1343
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 3: celebrated our twenty fifth wedding anniversary and so for a

1344
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: long time you did that that kids are the most

1345
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 3: important thing in the world. Yeah, and I've told them

1346
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: since they were little. I was like, if you see

1347
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 3: daddy kissing mommy, never interrupt you, never interrupt daddy kissing mommy,

1348
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: because it's just happening before you. This would be going

1349
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: on when you all leave. And it was funny and

1350
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 3: I was serious and it was a joke, and yet

1351
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 3: it's also you know. Now I'm at the spot where

1352
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey you.

1353
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're like, wait, what are you doing?

1354
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: Later was like, you know, and so we've been in

1355
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 3: that space for the last little bit. We're like, you know,

1356
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: hey kids, you know where what do you want for dinner? Oh,

1357
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm out gonna be over here? Or what we're doing?

1358
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: That thing?

1359
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 3: I got practice, I got this, that and the other thing,

1360
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: and everybody spread out to the four winds and we

1361
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 3: just looked at because you and mean. So so we

1362
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 3: rolled to the pub around the corner that we love

1363
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: and you know, pop down and chill with, you know,

1364
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: call a couple of.

1365
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: People to be like, hey, what you're doing?

1366
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: And I love it.

1367
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: I'm with my four year old. I can't make it.

1368
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 3: So like you talk about your friends, we have a

1369
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 3: whole bunch of our friends who are at that stage,

1370
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: and my brother being among them, and I'm like, hey man,

1371
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: he's like, I can't, Ben, I got the kids. So

1372
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: but we're finding So the work in progress now is

1373
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 3: going back to getting your young and sexy on, you know,

1374
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 3: getting your young and sexy and ambitious on and final

1375
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 3: projects that you get to be at the center. That's

1376
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 3: what I'm I'm excited about right now.

1377
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, thank you, I mean truly, you know,

1378
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: from what you do on screen to all the things

1379
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,919
Speaker 1: you choose to do off it, really it means a lot.

1380
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: Appreciate you, and right back at you.

1381
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 3: This is a perfect example, just this podcast and who

1382
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 3: you choose to put on and what you choose to

1383
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: amplify on your podcast again amazing, and and to do

1384
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 3: it all with grace and and eating and and not

1385
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: caught up in all of that.

1386
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I appreciate that very much much love yeah,

1387
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: right back at you, thank you for today, Jason Oh

1388
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: to be appreciate you