WEBVTT - #252 - Phora 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800 All right, here we go Boutlet Cat Podcast. We got 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.680 a special guest in here. My guy Forah is in 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.000 the building. Man, thank you for having me. New album, 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:12.160 Butterfly Effect YEP is out right now. Yes, sir, why 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:17.120 that name because obviously we know the movie, Yeah, some 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.720 of us might know the movie dark movie movie. Yeah. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.120 I just feel like kind of in the dust shill, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.480 like everything happens for a reason, and a lot of 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.000 things happened in my life where I felt like I 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.920 wanted this, I wanted that, and I didn't get those things. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:34.040 But at the end of the day, I kind of accepted, 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.680 like kind of like accepting fate, manifest destiny kind of thing, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:41.080 and you know, everything kind of just works the way 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:42.720 it's supposed to. And I don't feel like I'll be 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.680 here right now if all those good and bad things 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.839 didn't happen. When you say you wanted certain things, are 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:55.360 you talking about like industry type success, industry life, you know, success, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.600 whether it's success, love, family, things, financial, whatever it is. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.040 You know we all want those things, but sometimes we 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:04.640 don't get them. Well, listen, man, I got to give 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.880 your flowers because I know you like have kind of 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.839 been through the ringer in the music industry. You've obviously 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.839 been on major labels, You've had a career that's spanned 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:17.399 over that decade now. But like, dude, you fucking are lit. Bro. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.560 It's fun. I'm having fun with it, man, It's it's 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.039 a fun job. I don't know if you still have 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:24.880 your store on Fairfax do you nah? Just okay? But 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:26.840 you had okay, you had that store for a very 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.160 long time. On facts right, it was fun. Most of 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.479 these rappers couldn't sell a fucking concert tationic let alone 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.640 have a successful clothing line that has a brick and 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.959 mortar store on one of the most expensive streets in 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.960 fucking America. Yeah, it's stressful, man, it's it's a stressful 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.000 thing to maintain big deal while maintaining a you know, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.320 music career, a brand career, a business, you know what 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.760 I mean, all those type of things. It's stressful. But 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:50.720 you know, I just have fun with it and I 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.440 just kind of you know, literally the album you put out, 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:55.520 was it in twenty twenty, your last album? Yeah? Yeah, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.840 I would love to you did some crazy numbers man, Yeah, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.520 fun that phone with it, Independent, Independent, Klin and Jane 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.800 and shout Out to the Hemmies. Hey, all the fucking 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.440 I hate I understand that. Like it's easy to like 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.639 compare yourself to other people with your peers or people 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.720 who you feel like, oh man, I see them on 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.760 you know, performing at award shows. That should fuck all that, bro, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.560 Like you've done a lot of and those are the 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.280 things I'm talking about, Like I want those, you know, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.880 award shows. I want to be at the Grammys here 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.040 and be it you know this and that. But at 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.400 the same time, like I'm kind of just accepting of 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.840 and grateful mostly of what I have and what's been 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.360 given to me and what I worked for. But you know, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.200 I feel like not everybody has a fair chance, and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.680 some people have advantages. But at the end of the day, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.160 you just kind of find you have to find what's 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.960 you know, what you're grateful for. When you're a hardcore 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.480 fan base and a lot of people would die for 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.720 that shit, dog, yeah, Like sometimes you got to like 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.280 and I'm grateful for it for real, because I wouldn't 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.440 be I wouldn't be here still ten years plus after. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.760 You know, you got some like talk weird fans too, Yeah, crazy, 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:03.519 I feel like those are the best ones, most of 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:06.200 the women who I've come in contact with who are 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.280 Big Four fans are psychos. Yeah, been through. The thing 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.160 is they've been through a lot of they're like crazy bitches. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.080 Yeah sure, Yeah, I've been through it, been through a 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.440 lot of ships, been through my personal experience, like you 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:20.160 have love for you, like you had a personal experience, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.880 you had a you had a she set some clothes 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:29.400 on fire, or she's you know, busted some windows. Right, Yeah, 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:31.320 I feel like we all kind of been through that 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.120 for sure. For sure, you might have an extra crazy 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.720 one though. I just I'm not even women I've necessarily 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.480 had any sort of personal relationship, but just that I know, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.200 I'm just like, oh yeah, yeah, you got like my 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:50.040 wife's sister, who's a flaming cunt. She loves you, but 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.920 she sucks, she's but she fucking loves you. But you know, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.120 they might these people, these people like they might need 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:59.640 something or someone. Some of these some of these people 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.800 have not found the one yet, you know what I'm saying, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.400 Like somebody, but they need someone to really be their 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.840 form and change their life. I've seen it happen too. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.360 I've seen someone's life and personality be changed in one day. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.440 That's a beautiful thing. Man. How have you been dealing 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.680 with because you know, I feel like you do live 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:23.560 your life outward online sometimes, right. You know, I feel 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.799 like we've kind of seen you go through like public, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.120 you know, issues when it comes to maybe depression or 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:32.240 you know, maybe some of your previous relationships. Just you 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.400 kind of gone through a lot of stuff and like 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.320 we've seen it. How are you doing today? That's a 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.360 good question. Uh. Today, I'm still like the same person. 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.880 I'm still kind of the same person, but I'm just less. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.719 I try to be less open on social media and 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.359 everything just because I don't feel like it makes anything better. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.520 But the reason why I try to be open on 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.240 social media is because there's a lot of people out 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.520 there going through the same shit. You know, we're all human. 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.600 You could be you get out of ten million followers, 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.120 ten million dollars, like, life's still gonna hit you. You You 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.840 can't get away from life. But at the end of 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.680 the day, I feel like I feel like I'm I'm 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.320 just going through the same thing, but I kind of 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.919 deal with my you know, my thoughts and everything in 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.359 a different way. Now now that I'm getting older, I 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.839 talk to people, I uh you know, just have conversations 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.240 with myself, but I still try to be open. You know, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.599 have you got a therapy? I have done to therapy? 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:29.360 Was it helpful? No? It wasn't. No. How many times 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.159 did you go though? I've been to three different therapists, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.240 and maybe I need to find the right one's that's 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.480 what they say. But I don't know, man, I feel 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:39.320 I know it's supposed to be like a judge free 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.960 zone kind of thing, but I feel like when I'm 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.960 telling my story not judging, but they kind of don't 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.640 get it, you know, and it's hard to talk to 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.400 someone who doesn't get it when you say this, this 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.280 and that and they're like hmm. But you know, I'm 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.279 not sure. Maybe I need to you know what you need? 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:58.360 I don't know what I need. You need a hero's 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:04.800 dose of mushrooms, that is, that's the truth. Yeah, oh, man, 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.400 or you need to hop on a plane with your 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.240 lady go to fucking Costa Rica. Yeah, do some fucking ayahuasca. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.040 But but here's the crazy thing. Here's a crazy thing. Serious. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.839 I know, I hear you and i' and I've heard 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.719 that and I've been told that. But I love life, bro. No, 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.799 you're gonna love life more. No, listen, bro, I promise 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.960 you it's not I'm not telling you something like in 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.679 a negative way, like yeah, everyone, not you, not just yeah, 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.560 anybody in the world should do psychedelics at least at 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:41.000 least once all the time. Yeah. Here's the thing with me, though, 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.080 I feel like I have a great balance, Like I 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.479 love life, but then like I hate life. But having 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.719 having that pain, having that anger, having that internal flame 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.520 inside me, pushes me to do certain things, you know, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.400 push pushes me to make certain music for people, you 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.240 know what I mean. Who So, like Aaron Rodgers. He's 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.919 a football player. So he's fucking back to back NFL 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:07.800 MVP this year. He's been terrible. But two years ago 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.600 he said he went to Costa Rica did ayahuasca and 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:12.040 unlocked something in his brain and he's just like, fucking 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.560 he's an amazing football player. And I mean he's always 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.360 been amazing, but hecuse what what changed? He just said 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.200 that he like understood the world more, he became more 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.200 self aware, he became more like it really kind of 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.679 kills your ego. It kind of like, yeah, you should 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.040 do some shrooms. At least I'm gonna try it. I 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:34.480 got some for you before you leave here, you'll have some. Okay. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.720 What I like? I like the balance between between happy 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.280 and side though I don't want to be happy all 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:42.320 the time. I mean, you don't want to be happy 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.040 all the time, but you also want to like have 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.480 an understanding of why you're Like there's probably a lot 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.680 of like repressed ship that you don't even know is 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.880 there for real? Like I had my homie. Uh I 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.520 would say his name, but he's an industry guy. Uh 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.240 he said that he he Well, I knew this guy 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.480 to be like one of the more degenerate pieces of 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.360 shit of like all time. Gambled, did a bunch of 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.480 fucking cocaine. It's always sniffing blo off hooker's asses. Just 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.640 a psychopath, right, Okay, great guy though I love him. 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.000 But he did ayahuasca and he hasn't touched drugs. He 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.240 hasn't gambled. He got married, had a baby, he got 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.120 fucking Wow, he's like professionally doing better than he's ever done. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.280 Like ayahuasca. So what's the ayahuasca. It's like a it's 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.240 like a drink, like a tea that stems from a 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.680 root that is DMT based, but it's kind of like 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:37.240 Paoti different. I'm not too familiar with paoti, but it's 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.160 it's a lot more intense. You drink it and DMT 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.520 kind of No, DMT is like, yeah, it is DMT, 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.360 but it's a slower version of DMC. Like have you 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.720 smoked DMT? Have you ever smoked MT? No? I haven't. 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:50.800 I can't say I have. Yeah, if you smoked d MT, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.000 you would just go away for like a half hour 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.400 ayahuasca your present in the moment. It's like six hours. Yeah, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.440 of like you, but you do it with a shaman 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.319 to work you through it, you know, and they guide you, 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.600 they guide you, and then you come out the other 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.880 side like a fucking Like my friend who we were 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.959 talking about told me it was like doing thirty years 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.600 of therapy in six hours. Wow. Is there anyone that 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.920 it hasn't worked for? Nobody? I know, no one that 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:19.880 went crazy? Like no, I got a couple of homies, 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:21.439 so like they go to Costa Rica three times a 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.559 year just to get there, like get just to get it, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:29.280 get their fucking their mind right. Fuck hey, because you 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.319 know what, all that fucking all the therapy shit is 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.960 cool and it's helpful. I think everbody should go therapy, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.280 talk to somebody. But like the medicine that they try 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.920 to put you on some bullshit like medication. All this 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.160 is some fun shit like do some mushrooms, bro, Yeah, 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.040 it is that natural kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.960 feel like talking to someone is important, though it isn't 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.319 talking to someone who kind of understands or is willing 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.880 to listen even if they don't understand. Yes. But the 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.720 other thing is is you're in a position where a 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.880 lot of people you probably talk to do they depend 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.720 on you in some way, in some way, So don't 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:02.480 talk anybody who depends on you for anything. Yeah, but 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.079 there's there are also people who depend on that aren't 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.240 like that makes sense selfish, that makes sense, of course, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.160 but you know not everyone is like extremely selfish, and 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.160 some people are willing to, you know, kind of step 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.319 outside of who they are and understand you feel me 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.199 no for sure? Man. So this album? What would you 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:23.840 describe this album as just in terms of like the motivation, 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.839 the message? Yeah, you're at I think it's I think 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.839 it's just a new me. I took a two year 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.800 kind of break, didn't drop a project, and before this. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.720 I've dropped the album every single year, especially as an 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:38.400 independent artist, of course have to do that. But I 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.480 took like a year, two years off, and I kind 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.520 of just like did all the bad shit I had 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.360 to do, did all the you know, did all the 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.800 self reflecting I had to do, and just kind of 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.680 did everything. And I feel like it's a new me. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.160 But at the same time, it's just kind of a 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.680 just a recap of, you know, what I've been through 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:03.000 and everything. Yeah, what's the jew I forget the exact 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.560 day June. What the song about the June six? June six, 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.280 what's the significance of that date? Yeah, that's that. That's 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.040 it's a more of a personal song. I try to 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.720 get real, like in depth and like deep about someone 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.280 who you know, obviously I had a you know something 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:23.360 with but I felt like naming that song that just 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:29.320 because it's a real uh, I don't know that that 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.120 day when it was, yeah, a bad day or a 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.400 good day. A good day, Yeah, a good day. So 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.800 I kind of do that like reflecting on that, and 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.640 when that day passes by, I'm kind of just like, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.160 you know, I don't know. Yeah, but you are pretty 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.520 outward with your relationships online. I feel like, yeah, I 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.720 feel like it's not it's not that out of the box. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.720 It's not normal people do that. But do you always 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.680 like you're a famous guy? Right you people? People? Fucking 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.600 fucking bro you're late. I like it, man, it's lit. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.680 If I'm with someone I like to, I like to 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.200 show him all. Yeah exactly. But is there any like 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.640 downside to that? Because I, I mean, I'm not as 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.280 popping as you, but I fucking feel the downside. Well, 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.200 I mean what can be uh NFL players hopping in 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.719 the d M. I mean what they're like, there's about this? 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.440 How about this? I said? I said Tupac was overrated 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.840 in an interview once ship and I didn't even meet it. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.040 In like, he's overrated, overrated. I just meant he's not 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.360 top five, he's like top ten maybe you know, he's 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.040 like nine to ten two. He's not top two. He's not. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.240 I love and I love Tupac. I'm a Tupac fan, 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:36.120 but dude, there was fucking these maniac motherfucking Tupac fans 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.480 who threatened to murder my wife. They d m her, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.719 Oh wow, yes, yeah, that'll that'll get you that And 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.040 I didn't even say it in a disrespectful way. Yeah. Yeah, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.280 So that's social media. Social media is crazy. Social media 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.840 is crazy. But with me, I feel like I'm just 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.320 I don't I feel like it's better man to not 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.080 really have anything to hide. And of course, like if 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.560 you don't feel like putting your business out there is cool. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.960 But if I'm with someone comfortable with it, I'm comfortable 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.280 with it. And and like and like I said, whatever 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.880 happens happens if someone slides into the you know, NFL 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:17.000 player and that's it for me, and you know, I 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.480 guess I get swooped on. This is kind of has happen. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.040 Say he brought it up, but I'm saying, Aaron Rodgers 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:28.240 take the check. If Aaron if Aaron Rodgers, if Aaron 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.760 Rogers swoops and it was that easy, then it wasn't 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:32.280 meant to be in the first place. If Aaron Rodgers 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.720 DMS my chick, I'm gonna be like, go ahead, go ahead. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.280 You got to leave it up to give you some tickets. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:39.920 You got to leave it up to the girl to 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:42.520 the side. You need some good tickets, that's all I need. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:45.839 Go ahead, handle it. Let me hang out with him 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.160 once a year, we'll go do Ayahwaska together. Like, how's 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.400 my ex wife? She's good, She's a nice lady, right 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:57.400 shot to Aaron Rodgers, that's a different level. So for 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.959 you man, going from starting out in Dependently you're on 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:08.280 RCA right Warner, going through the major label situation where 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.760 it felt like they kind of didn't know what to 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.400 do with you or it just kind of felt like 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.600 obviously it didn't work out how you probably wanted it. 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.400 I'll tell you right now. It was it was just 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.080 I got to do what I wanted to do, but 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.680 they also had to approve certain things and I wasn't 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.320 feeling it. You know. 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You know, what I realized 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.120 is a lot of these people in these buildings and 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.160 these major labels, their number one objective is to not 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:34.080 get fired. That's all I care about. So they're like, 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.160 how can I not get fired? They want to avoid risks, right, 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.840 exactly right, So their whole thought process is, Okay, I 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.760 don't want to get fired because I got a fucking 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.400 mortgage and these fucking kids. I gotta feed in a side, bitch, 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.520 and all this other shit gets done. And artists are Risks, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.200 and I have this, I have this artist I want 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.560 to push him to do a song with. I'm playing 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.440 the numbers game. So and so has got a fucking 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.800 viral hit or it's hot right now. Let me try 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.120 to wish that feature to happen, even if it's not organic. Yeah, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.040 where you might be like, I would rather do this 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.359 because it makes sense and it sounds good, and oh 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:12.080 that's it. I've I've got the credit. They when I 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.399 was in Warner I mean no shade, but I was. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.720 They try to push me to do so many songs 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.080 with these artists whose the most random artists. They try 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:23.320 to have you do I don't know, just random, like E. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.320 D M kind of thing. I don't even remember the name. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.159 It's like, yo, you should do a song with fucking 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.880 crazy Yeah. And then I was, by the way, every 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.480 kind of hard marshmows fire. Yeah. It just it just 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.959 has to it's just bad examples. It has to feel right, 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.480 it has to feel right. But I've been in the 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.640 room and I've sat with like the President and I've 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.120 been like, oh, you know, I want to do this song, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:45.280 or we're thinking about we want to get this song 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:46.760 done with. There was one time, I was like, I 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.320 want to get this song done with Juice World, and 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.880 they're like, oh, Juice World, Like wow, we don't think 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.800 that's like necessary or we don't think that's early to 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.160 you know, it was early, super early, and they're like, oh, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.160 we don't think And I was like it makes sense, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.440 like the sound music kind of things that would have 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.760 been crazy. They're like, oh no, well we think, you know, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.560 we should kind of turn that sad around and we 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.639 should do something more up tempo. You know, they always 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.840 want the up tempo kind of thing. I'm just like, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.600 that's not me. That's not what I'm trying to do. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:15.600 Like I'm trying to you know, I have this vision 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:17.960 and they're like, oh, well this song and these songs 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:22.000 are doing good. It's just too much like like analysis 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:26.199 from people who aren't really like taking in, like well, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.000 they're just worried about losing their job. Yeah, that's what 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.879 it is, and that's what But sometimes they think they 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.280 know just bably want to put numbers on the wall, bro, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.199 but they think they know based off previous numbers, and 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.200 there's always going to be something, everything's always evolving, yeah exactly, Yeah, sure, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.360 they go off the past. So now right now, they're 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.239 going off like TikTok and and you know it has 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:47.560 to be like this, it has to be like this 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.520 because this is doing good. But what's after that? You know, 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.320 what TikTok thing is is the best and worst thing 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.520 that's probably ever happened there oh music, because it's like 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.760 it's dope because you get discovered and if you know, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.000 there's people who've gotten discovered on TikTok that are actually 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.120 really talented and yeah, but then there's other ship where 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.480 it's like these labels are just signing motherfucker's based on 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.680 a five second clip, a twenty five second of a song. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.639 It's like and then you hear the whole song and 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.400 you're like this, what is this? You know, but it's 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.840 giving more power to independent artists. So at the same time, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.160 right because people, you know, you have a hit song 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:21.960 and you're just like, fuck, I don't need no label. 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.960 Well talk, It also is good if you're on it 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:27.639 and you're doing the right shit, you're creating the right content, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.280 you're engaging with your fans. It's like it's a way 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.600 to pop your ship, right, you know, Like someone who 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.280 kind of had a similar career path in terms of 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.399 like dealing with major labels, starting off independent, ending up 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.240 independent again. It's like Snow the product. Yeah, she's on 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.640 Atlantic forever. She's dope, and they fucking fumbled that whole situation. 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.080 Then she got off and then she went and did 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.639 a fucking freestyle that went viral. Yeah, and then it 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.640 got Grammy nominated. I've seen it. I've seen it. I've 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.880 known Snow for a long time years, six plus years. 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.399 She's she's a beast, and she really got that. She 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:01.960 got the Latin side to her too, so she got 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.840 a wild Yeah, yeah, crazy, she's super dope, underrated, under 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.159 super underrated. What is for you having the type of 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.080 fans you have? Has there ever been a situation with 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.119 a fan that like they went a little overboard? We 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.320 talked about them today. I had I've had stalkers. I've 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.760 had stockers. I had people like waiting outside my house 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.360 like kind of thing like, oh no, where you live? 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.960 Be with them? Yeah? Yeah, crazy, fucking weird, like real, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:32.000 like real story, like stalker outside waiting outside, Call the cops, cops, chicker, dude, 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.720 chick Yeah girl, Yeah, I don't know, man, I mean no, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.560 but it's not that it's not it's not the attention 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.000 you want. It sounds like, oh wow, but that sounds terrible. Yeah, 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:44.360 it's bad. You call the cops, cops come and they're 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.840 just like oh and cops leave. You're like, damn, she's 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.800 still here here? Then what do you do? You know? 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.760 And it's just like you gotta get a what's that 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.840 thing called order of protection? Man? But what order of protection? 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.240 It's like where they can't restrain in order. Yeah. I 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.400 don't even know the person's name or who they are 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.520 or anything about them. And I'm like, we're all scared 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.360 to go down there. We don't know if she's there 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.840 with the knife or anything. That's fucking crazy. You can't 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.400 even sleep, you're outside the window. Yes, crazy, it's crazy. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.760 Would you say because you have had some You've had 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.520 some pretty crazy like brushes with almost losing your life 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.520 over the years, MANE was it last year that someone 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.040 tried to shoot at you were going to Vegas? I 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.040 think it was like last year, two years ago. Yeah, 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:27.040 and then something like that also kind of happened in 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:31.520 like twenty fifteen, twenty fifteen. Yeah, I got I got shot, 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.840 got object. Yeah. I mean, you've had some serious brushes 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.720 with death. LA is crazy though, it's fucked for sure, 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:42.280 it's only getting worse. But do you like when that 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:47.720 has happened to you. I had a similar situation. I 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:49.639 didn't have anyone try to kill me almost kill my 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:54.160 fucking cell phone. Not not on purpose, but uh yes, 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:56.560 it like shook me. Man. I'm like, damn, I could 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.920 have fucking like literally died. Like, yeah, you know, I've 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.600 I've had a lot of experiences with that. One thing 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:05.919 I kind of learned is like riding around with you know, 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.119 in the lambos and three corvettes following behind you and 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.080 riding around in these cars and just being kind of loud. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.000 It's not really like the smartest thing to do or 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.640 the safest thing to do, you know. And I used 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.160 to roll around like that a lot, but these days 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.679 I'm kind of like more, I'm just smarter about it. 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.040 I don't really like the all the crazy, loud, bright 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.760 color cars. You seem to be like a pretty peaceful guy. Yeah, 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:32.480 I could get wild at times, No, but I just 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.600 mean in terms of like you put a lot of 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.600 positive energy into the world. Ye. Your music is like 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.480 it's not very negative. It's not like you're talking like 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.840 a bunch of crazy, but I like to have fun though. 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:44.960 You do like to have fun a lot of fun. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.080 You do like to have fun sometimes on Instagram life. Yeah, 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:51.600 sometimes your ig lives fucking starts up, bro, you know. 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.919 But you know, I just the older I get, the 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.000 more I realize, like, Okay, I gotta move smart because 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:02.359 and I've learned from a lot in the past, but 0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:04.320 now I'm just like, Okay, if we go somewhere, if 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:06.920 we do something, we have to be strategic and militant, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.640 and you know, moved the right way, especially with what's 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.080 going on, you know, these days, it's just it's fucked 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.200 right now, It's fuck it's too crazy, yeah, because LA's 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:17.199 kind of always had that element, right, But it's like, 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.440 I feel like the ed D thing was so strong 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.800 here compared to everywhere else. Yea, I had I had 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:28.480 friends that were coming here from out of town, yeah, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.200 to like commit edd fraud and they didn't get it 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:34.960 from here, but they were just getting money money. Yeah, 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.840 And that's what we're talking about that too. And I 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.160 think people are just getting away with shit out here 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:42.040 and they're just like fuck, like not fearing the consequences 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.080 and not knowing, like what's what's going to come back? 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.080 So people are just down to do whatever they were 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.440 just like you could find like a homeless guy and 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.440 just paying for his social and his information and then 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:55.320 collect I fuck I home. He's hitting the ATM for 0:23:55.400 --> 0:24:01.040 like five or six grand every Friday. Just mask yes 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.480 and that's it and that's it. And it was so easy. 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:06.359 I was like, what the fuck is going on? Bro, 0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:08.560 They're trying to convince me to do it. I thought 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.359 about it. I'm like, wow, I'm like, yo, y'all are 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:17.280 getting away with this ship. I'm like what But what 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.200 I feel this is fucked. I feel I've never seen 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.680 that ship happened. Like, I've never seen people get money 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.600 so easily in my life. So it was like scary. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.400 It's almost like the Bitcoin thing, where's like it might 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.040 be a little fucked eventually, Like but what I fear 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.080 is karma though, because it always comes back, you know. Yeah, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:33.560 So I was. I thought about it. So I'm like, 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:39.000 damn that comes it comes back to federal prison. Federal 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:40.920 prison is how it comes back for you. Oh yeah, 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.000 everyone's going to prison right now for sure, especially with 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:47.159 the VPS. Oh my god. Oh man. There was a 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.960 guy later you're going to jail. There's a huge company, 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:56.000 huge company, one might venture. We might be wearing some 0:24:56.040 --> 0:25:00.280 of this brand in this room right now. They're in 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:07.280 Orange County, Okay, the owner imagine starting a business that's 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:12.480 fake and then so you not to put if I 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.000 say too much. This motherfucker did all this ship and 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:17.400 then got a fucking he started a whole new business 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.320 just to fucking get a PPP own with pretty much 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:26.159 fake employees, made everyone work like one hour, and then 0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:30.120 bought a fucking private jet. Crazy, And now the Alphabet 0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.000 boys are on their ass and it's like, Bro, what'd 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.840 you think was gonna yeah? Done? What did you think 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.959 was gonna happen? Yeah? This is I mean, especially you 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.000 do it on a big level like that, they're gonna 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.040 find you. I think that that that that that is 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:45.919 also a big attribution ast to why like LA's kind 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:47.600 of gotten a little more crazier because like people got 0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.080 a little bit of taste of that, you know, and 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:50.840 they want and they want it and they want more. 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.000 So it's like, are you pretty like uh careful about 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.480 like not like if you're gonna go out to eat 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.240 or something, not posting or like I mean even like 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.000 bars leaving the story at home. Oh yeah, well when 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.560 I go anytime I go out anywhere that's not like 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:07.920 down the street or if like I'm in a public 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.520 situation like this is a private situation, so yeah, a podcast. 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:13.040 But if I go out to eat food, like I'm 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:18.879 wearing shorts like dirty shoes in a hoodie and like nothing, no, no, nothing, 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:22.359 and I'm just like, no one's gonna look twice at 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.000 me because I'm just like I have nothing for you, bro, 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.520 you know, yeah, but you can also always I'm trying 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.600 to push this narrative to rappers and start rocking fake jewelry. Yeah, 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:36.120 who gives a fuck? Yeah, who's gonna question I've had 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.159 my share of. You know, if you're a little baby 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:42.160 and you have a fake like fucking Rolex besides fake watchbuster, 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.680 he's gonna call you out for sure. Yeah, but who's 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.199 gonna question you? Fuck? That's what no one, no one, 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:49.560 no one could walk up to a little baby with 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.320 a diamond testing. I'm like, funk off, bro, Yeah like 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.440 what he don't even got to say. He got his security, 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.199 he got his people, yo back up? Yeah you know 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.800 do you? Yeah? I mean, not a bad idea when 0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:02.119 you first got into the game, did you do the 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:06.040 fake jewels? Of course, just because, And it's less about like, oh, 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:09.080 fake dreelry, but more like people kind of give you, 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.320 gift you this and that, and you find out like, oh, 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.840 he's not giving me real diamonds. He's giving me you know, 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.159 and it's cool, like fuck, I'll take it. Whatever. That 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.119 happened to me. And I was living in Tampa and 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.240 shout out to my guy, Jane the jeweler. He does 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.720 all russ Is jewelry. Great guy, but Jane gifted me 0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.960 this giant fucking Jaine and I'm thinking, I'm rocking some 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.840 real shit. It's happened. It's happened to me. For that 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:38.520 ship was played as fuck and the diamonds were not real. 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:40.640 But if it's free, it's free. And if it looks 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:42.879 good on you, fucking why not. And if you and 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.919 if you get robbed, you're kind of just like take it. Yeah. No. 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.000 My boy was like he gave you that, and he 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:49.280 was like, let me see it. He just held it. 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:51.280 He's like, it's not real. I was like, I don't 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.879 know shit about jewelry. How active do you plan on 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.879 being after now? Obviously you were talking earlier. You know, 0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.880 you're used to kind of dropping yearly. Are you gonna 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.720 make fans wait a lot longer this time or no? 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:06.720 I think I really just it was just these kind 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:08.840 of like two years or that year and a half, 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.640 and I needed to take that time off to really 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:13.920 kind of you know, find myself and self reflect, like 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.560 I said, But now I'm on go mode. I have 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.480 one hundred plus songs already already already planned out, ready 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.399 to come out. So I'm ready to go. And with 0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.679 being independent, I kind of look back on it, I'm like, 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.840 why did I wait so long? But it's more of 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.840 a personal reason because now in this day and age especially, 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.520 you have to be consistent. You have to be ten 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:36.480 times more consistent than four years ago, five years ago, 0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.120 six years ago. You're in competition with everyone. Now yeah 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.200 it is everybody. Everybody who has an iPhone, you're in 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.240 competition with them. And you're not only competing with with 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.120 other artists, you're competing with just attention. Yeah, I don't, bro, 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.840 I'm telling you, bro, Like I'm a huge rap fan 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.480 and I listened to I listened to I mean, I 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.160 put in my Spotify recap I think I listened to 0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:59.080 like twenty eight thousand minutes of music or some shit. 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:03.280 But Broby on podcast Dog, Yeah, Like, if I'm riding around, 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.440 I'm usually listening to somebody talk about fucking fantasy football 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.360 or sports, or Joe Rogan talking about ayahuasca and artists 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.360 and musicians. They're in competition with Well with that shit 0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:16.400 for sure, everything because you just need the attention. What 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.440 are you doing in your spare time these days? Like, 0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.840 how do you spend time? It's funny you mention it. 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:23.520 I gamble a lot. I have a lot of fun 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:28.120 doing that. I play everything, poker, black jack, everything kind 0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.800 of you know. I mean, listen, I happen to be 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.920 a degenerate. Yeah, and it's same. You say that in 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.640 a very like playful way, but oh, it's not playful. 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.640 You've probably had some terrible nights where you wanted to 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.520 fuck it. Bro I've been at the casino and I've 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:50.840 genuinely thought about robbing people. Yeah that's not recently, not recently, 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.040 but like ten years ago, like twelve years ago, when 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.160 I was doing radio in Vegas, and I'd be at 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.520 the fucking Mandola Bay across the street from the radio station, 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:00.440 I'd be down like three bands. 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What I learned 0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.640 about gambling is everything it opened my eyes to, like 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:46.480 not even money. But everything is relative, you know, So 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.760 when when someone loses one hundred dollars, it's like I've 0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:52.520 seen rich people lose, you know, at a table in 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.680 an hour. I've seen them lose five hundred thousand dollars. 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.480 But everything is relative. So when you see someone rob 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.920 someone or kill someone over you know that one hundred 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.960 dollars and you're like, oh, it's just one hundred dollars. 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:06.760 It might have been you know everything, yeah, exactly, and 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.800 every It kind of like put everything into perspective for 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.200 me and seeing all these different walks of life, like 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.280 play with all this different type of money, and it's 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:19.200 opened my eyes, you know, to like to how kind 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.840 of fucked up and twisted money is, you know it. 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:26.040 And it made me value money a lot less, you 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.360 know how, because I used to be like, Yo, this 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:31.000 is what money is, what we need to survive. But 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.240 I've just seen so so many things, so many crazy 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.560 gamble there. It almost like desensitizes you to the factor 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.760 giving money. It feels like you're playing a game, yeah, 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.480 because they give you the chips and it's like this 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.040 is little chips and then you walk away, you go 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.000 you go home, and then and you're like, oh, that 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:54.960 shit was real moneys. Yeah. The worst is like I 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.400 have a friend who's made millions of dollars gambling, but 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.440 I've also seen it like he goes to the high 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:05.400 limit slots and he'll do loser. You'll do like thousand, 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.440 two thousand of fucking spin And like I've seen him 0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.720 hit for like nine hundred k yeah, like one point 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:12.560 two million, but I also see him lose. I've also 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.760 seen him been down three hundred thousand dollars on one day, 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.080 and I was like, it's a part of it. My god. 0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:21.400 What is your biggest uh win in gambling and the 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.600 worst night you've ever had in terms of loss of homes. 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:26.720 I've had bad nights, but y'all like just little little nights. 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.040 My biggest win in gambling was about quarter million on 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:33.600 my birthday, And it was like, I was like, what 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.400 the hell like cause I don't really like I believe 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.760 in luck, but I believe in like like reality too, 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:40.400 you know, Like I don't think like you go to 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.719 Vegas and you just you're gonna win because it's your birthday. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.720 But I won quarter million on my birthday and I'm 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:49.880 just like, what were you playing black blackjack? Only? Yeah? 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:53.320 Quarter million? That was like a slow come up now. 0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:55.000 I was like one day, you know what I mean 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.080 in terms of like you know, some some people will 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:58.680 sit down at a slot machine and hit a quarter 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.040 million in fucking life, oh yeah yeah, or they'll play roulette, 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:04.000 and you know roulette you could win fast like black 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:06.480 I was just slow. Yeah, it's not slow. When you're 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.480 betting five thousand, ten thousand, it's pretty fast. You'd be 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.520 there for three four hours. You either lose everything or 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.000 you win up to fifty to fifty. And I'm like, 0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:15.880 that must have been the best birthday of your life. 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.160 I was like, this is so crap. I was telling 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:20.240 my girl. I was like, this is like is this birthday? 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.840 Look like? What's going on? It was? My goodness, it 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.480 was I can't imagine a better birthday. Yeah, ever, yeah, 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.520 but then it also made me realize, like, you know, 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.840 all this money, like, uh, it's it's I don't know. 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.960 I don't have been a fucking problem that night. Bro, 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:37.520 don't let me be up to fifty on my birthday 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.040 in Vegas. Be at the fun. I don't know if 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.600 you know who he is, you know Mickey, Mickey, the 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.919 dude who'll be rolling around Vegas crazy. That's my Homi. 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.479 He's he's like I learned from him, the real degenerate life. 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.520 Like he's he's he's won millions, millions and a weekend stretch. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.760 There is like real like strategy if you really gamble 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.239 the right way, that all it's luck base, But there 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.640 is certain things like roulette. There's certain ways you could 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.360 play exactly where you have like an advantage on the 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.960 house if you got a big enough bank roll. That's 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.800 the only the only advantage you have really in gambling. 0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:13.960 You just have to have the bankroll, you know, don't 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.920 try to to be able to back your losses. Yeah, exactly. 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.800 So if you play, you playlet. Yeah. So have you 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:23.879 ever done the strategy where you bet two thirds at once? So, yeah, 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.080 the second, third, third, third, first second. Yeah, but on 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:28.960 the first song that's one of those two hits you're 0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.239 and then if you lose, you triple each time, and 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.560 then when you eventually hit, that's like a slow, slow strategy. 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.920 You got to sit there. I like to drink, I 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.640 like to have you know. When I was living in Vegas, Yeah, 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.240 that's what I would do. I'd go to like Fremont 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.000 Street where it was like it worked out for you mostly. Yeah, 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.759 but I'd be there for like five or six hours 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.239 and be up like four hundred bucks. But for me 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.319 at the time, I was messing year. It's yeah, it's 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.879 it's all relative. But Roulette's fun. I like to bet 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:56.800 on the numbers because when that shit hits you just 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.319 get high. You're like, no, that's the dopamine hit of 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.759 winning in gam is like nothing else. Yeah, and that's 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.080 why it's a problem. Like when I watch sports and 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:05.720 I have a bunch of money going on a fucking 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.960 game and it's close and I win, bro, it's like 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.319 I have thirty orgasms. Yeah, no, for real, that's what. 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.640 But that's why when I problem, that's why it's addicting. 0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:20.200 I'm fucking sick. Oh, I've been there. I've been there. Yeah, stumbach. 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.319 So my worst gambling stretches always had to do with sports, 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.880 and it was always sports betting from my house. Yeah, 0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.080 I've had some rough run when I gamble, man, I 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.640 really like to just have fun. If I'm there stressing 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.840 or anything like that, it usually never works out for me. 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:37.680 And it's kind of a waste when you lose, because 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.440 it's like, damn, you didn't. So if you were up 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.000 to fifty in a night, the biggest worst night that 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.640 you've walked away, noise, nothing, nothing bad because I don't 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.439 I'm not like doing anything crazy. Maybe you know ten 0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:54.120 twenty thirty, I like that, but you know, everything, it 0:36:54.320 --> 0:37:02.160 kind of all even I'd probably be divorced. Yeah, i'd 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:07.239 be like, sorry, shit's uh, you know, I don't know 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:14.080 what happened. I was James Harden fucked up. Blaming on 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.799 the players. It's literally all I could do, right because 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:21.439 I lost like fifteen Christmas Week ones. Oh no, Christmas Week, 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.240 that's the one. I just blamed it on James Harden 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:28.040 because it was his fucking fault. That's the worst Christmas Week. 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.400 Fuck James Harden. Yeah, I love Vegas. Man. There's a 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.840 guy named Mike White from the Jets who fucking started 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.280 a game last year against the Bengals cost me ten bands. 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:41.120 Fuck Mike White too. Yeah, you got sports gamis fun now? Yeah, 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.800 I'm just not too not too in the sports. I 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:45.759 feel like you have no control. And the other thing, too, 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:47.360 is like you could also bet on like these like 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.719 really zany weird like celebrity boxing matches, yeah, which I 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.279 haven't done yet. I've seen. I have not done that. 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.879 But there's like online sports books that will like take 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.680 your like blue face fight money or whatever whoever's fighting, 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.960 like yeah, and it's like those I feel like you 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.439 can kind of figure out, what do you think about 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:10.800 tanking Garcia? Oh? Who would win? I like Ryan Garcia. Yeah, school, 0:38:10.800 --> 0:38:13.040 I played poker with him before a couple of times. Nice, 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.120 I think once something like that. Who would you take? 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:19.799 Oh man, I don't I don't know tang Man, but 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.640 I feel like he's just the beast. Yeah. He's also 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.080 like the kind of guy that like, I don't know, man, 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:30.000 some of these boxes he's he's like a fucking he's like, 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:31.560 you know, he might as well be part of y 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.560 Sol the way you'd be fucking acting. I like that ship. 0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:36.440 I'm like, bro, you gotta chill out. Bro, you're a 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:40.200 fucking professional athlete. Dog like that. Can't just be threatening. 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.000 People want to be entertained, man, I like that ship. 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.640 I'm like, dog, they gonna put a rico on you. Bro, 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:50.040 chill out. Motherfucker's beefing with every rapper alive for I'm like, no, 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.160 why are you beefing with rappers? Yeah? People want to 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.560 be entertained, man, People like that shit. No, he's dope. 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:57.319 Especially this day and age, you just got to be 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.920 outlandish crazy. That's why I six ' nine had so 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.880 you know, people want to be entertained. And still to 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.839 this day, when someone talks about six ' nine, they'll 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:07.399 be like Yeah, fucking they might hate him, they might 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.600 love him, but they're always gonna say, like, I miss 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.560 him all my timeline. He was entertaining why I say 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:13.920 this about six ' nine. Well, in general, what you 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.359 just said, the outlander shit only lasts so long. Oh, 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:20.920 of course, it's no longevity in that. But at least 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:25.920 six ' nine, who was pretty much mastered the Internet 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.200 at the time, at least he had some good records. 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.600 He did, he had some records that didn't suck. Yeah, yeah, 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.720 I mean, Gamo was a joint in the club, Yeah, bangers. 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.000 Even the Nikki record was fire like that. Uh what 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:42.880 was that shit called Kiki Kiki whatever? The fuck? Y'all know, 0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.920 he'd be having all these fucking weird ass song games. 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:47.480 But at least he had some records to kind of 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:50.319 back it up. Yeah, but because it wouldn't have worked 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.400 if he didn't, he's I mean, it would have worked 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:56.520 momentarily super a lot more gimmicky though. Yeah, it would 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:58.560 have worked in the sense of like Little Pump works, 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:01.960 you know, and I guess they probably had similar careers. 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.080 And by the way, for the second time, and uh, 0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.840 fuck Little Pump he put my number up on his 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:11.040 fucking story. Fuck him, damn because I was it because 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.359 the J cole thing. Yes, you saw that right? Yeah. 0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:16.040 Oh by the way, I love J cole Man, Jacob No, No, 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:17.960 so me and Pump we're cool. Like I've always defended 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.560 him throughout the years. Yeah, a fucking solid question. Ask. 0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.560 I figured this kid might have been humbled from the 0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:28.239 last few years. Let's have like a conversation in which 0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.680 he can actually kind of seem like a dude and 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.560 not like a fucking clout robot. You know that was wrong? Yeah, 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:40.240 hey man, some but sometimes I on that kind of subject, 0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:43.879 like some people don't want to kind of admitt kind 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.920 of like where they're at. You know, well, dude, like 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.160 that's the thing is, like you don't really participate in 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.880 a lot of that, and you're you have a track 0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:54.719 record of like like, dude, you've made more money off 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.520 of rap music than ninety percent of your peers and 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.440 it's not even close. Fuck, these motherfuckers aren't getting woralty check. 0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:03.120 It don't seem like it though. No, but they're not 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:07.640 getting royalty checks. Nobody's getting royalty checks. They're fucking getting 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:10.960 their advance and then they're parlaying that into show money 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.640 or whatever the fuck, but motherfuckers ain't getting woralty checks, right, 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.000 like Meek Mill. I think he just said his whole 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:21.680 career on Atlantic. I think he said, yeah, I've seen that. 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:24.040 It was like a wildly low amount of money for 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.120 as many records, like a million dollars or something something crazy. 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:31.319 I said. He asked how much Going Bad made at 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.080 like twenty five million. He's like, how much did I 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:36.279 make off that song? No one told him anything. I'm like, man, 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.160 so that's the problem, though, Like, that's those are the 0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.400 that's label issues, right, but stay away. 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But if you're if 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:35.799 you're building up and building up and building up and 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.560 you see it's working for you and you have a 0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.040 shot and this shit, bet on yourself, man, gamble on 0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:45.279 yourself and fucking don't take that quick money that you know, 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:49.000 instant gratification, build it up, keep going. It might take 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:52.359 five years, but where you're gonna be like like rest 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:55.080 these days, who like kind of like pamped the label 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.080 for two albums and then got the fuck out and 0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.560 stillings his masters and now he's you know, like he 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.960 just ops a song every week or every two weeks. 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.240 It's like you just do what you want, you feed 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:08.080 your fans. Yeah, and that's a that's another thing. But 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.240 it's also aside from the label thing, it's not following 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.480 the trends, you know. And I don't think I don't 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.239 think he followed like super trendy, like what was going 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:19.600 on in the music when like when Pump was hot, 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.839 Like you know, there was a lot of people trying 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.920 to do that, you know, coloring their dreads doing all that. 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.439 Pump was like, he's like the he's like the Cloud era, 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.760 like mascot for sure, But everybody followed his whole fucking 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.799 those three years or every four years we given like 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:35.680 six nine low. He followed a lot of like the 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.080 Pump ship even like oh yeah, I mean, I mean 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.680 fucking shock, you know what I'm saying. Shot shot, Yeah, value, 0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:44.160 there was the fuck I'm not even gonna say to 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.080 do his name because I was dming with him Chief. 0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:48.719 He set the tone for a lot of ship too. 0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.120 There's there's there's a bunch of people, the Clone guy, 0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:53.359 what's his fucking name? I was just dming with him 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:55.840 because he's mad that I forgot his fucking name. Clone 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.680 kid Boo, kid Boo, Yeah, shots kid Boo. I'm having 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:00.959 on the pop. I guess we're gonna a really honest 0:45:00.960 --> 0:45:06.480 conversation about his whole fucking thing. But that was, like, yeah, 0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:10.960 an egregious era of music. Oh, it was all it was. 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:14.480 I think they call it the SoundCloud era. SoundCloud. I 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.200 want to say Supreme pat everything was Supreme Patty got 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:23.040 a record deal. I think he did know Supreme Patty. 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.960 Supreme Patty the lemon juice in his eyes got put 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.600 out a record that was produced by Scott storchro Wow, 0:45:28.640 --> 0:45:31.080 shout out Scott, that's my guy. Get the bag. Yeah, 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:34.600 but I'm pretty sure somebody gave him a deal. I 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.480 don't want to speculate on which company it was, but 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:42.279 let's just say it's a number. The company is named 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.560 after a number. I'm pretty sure they gave him a bag. 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:47.160 I might be wrong, but the fact that and Supreme 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:49.040 Patty is a nice kid. But the fact those kind 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.120 of people are getting record deals in the cloud era, 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.760 let me let me let me say this man, the industry, 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.719 these labels, it's it's like at first, it was like embarrassing, 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.879 but they tried to hide it. Now they just don't 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.440 have any pride, Like they're like, fuck it, we're already embarrassed. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.840 They just did the fake crypto rapper. Yeah, they're like, 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.319 we're already fucking losing. We're just gonna fucking go all out. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:11.400 You know how when someone just gets super desperate to 0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.160 fucking just start doing ship and they're fucking you're just like, dude, 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:17.160 you don't have no fucking shame. I feel like right now, 0:46:17.320 --> 0:46:19.680 that's where we're at with fucking labels. They're just like, Oh, 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.799 he has a fucking hot TikTok five second slippe, like 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.240 we need him, we need him. It's just it's embarrassing 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:29.520 that fake AI rapper that Capital signed and then dropped 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.440 within five days because of the outrage. What was the 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.680 name of that fucking you know what I'm talking about? 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.280 There was like this meta rapper who was like a 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:44.160 oh my bad, so what I'm but it was like 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.840 a fake rapper right that they made on the metaverse 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.680 and fn Mecca right, so that dude, well, it's not 0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:55.759 a dude. It's a fucking like an avatar that was 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.000 like saying the N word in its music and like 0:46:58.200 --> 0:46:59.879 I never heard it. I'm I'm surprised I never heard 0:46:59.920 --> 0:47:01.520 of bro. It was all over the place for about 0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:06.000 two weeks, but so so Capital announced that they signed 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:10.640 the first ever AI rapper, right. But then once you 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.319 dive into it, you're like, oh, this is just kind 0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:16.800 of like a lot of black stereotypes. And the people 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.879 behind it, from what I understand, you would know more 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.279 than me because she worked with I'm not sure that 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.160 the person who created it was black. Am I tripping 0:47:25.040 --> 0:47:34.640 the guy behind the exactly right, right, So it was 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.359 almost like the Milli Vanilli thing, but with like a cartoon, right, 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.160 and it was just like it was the cringiest ship 0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.800 I seen what I think. What I think is labels 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.799 and all these things they want like instant gratification kind 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:50.600 of thing, like they don't value longevity anymore. They don't 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.800 value good music or just artist development, yeah, or artists development. 0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:56.719 But then I get it, because so much shit's going on, 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.080 they just want to grab, you know, grab whatever's coming 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:01.320 to the numbers game. Man, I'll sign a fifty acts 0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.279 and hope one of them becomes a weekend Yeah, But 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:05.920 the independent artists like me and and you know all 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:07.640 these other artists that are doing it. The right way. 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.880 We're we're playing the real numbers game. We're trying to 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:11.640 make We're trying to be here for twenty years. What's 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:14.239 your distro is? Are you doing like distro caunidation? Oh 0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:16.680 you do for Shout out my guy Lee. Yeah, shout 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.799 out Lee Lee. When I was when I was on 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.399 when I was on Warner, Lee was the radio guy 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.960 at Warner, of course he was. Yeah, shouts to Lee. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.759 He just announced today he's got he's got a big, 0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:27.799 big thing coming. Shout out to my guy Lee. What 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:29.239 is he doing? What is he doing? He just left? 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.719 Oh wow, he announced that today. So he's going to Uh, well, 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:36.319 I can't say he's going. Yeah, my distribution Foundation is done. 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:40.560 I want to say more for me than any well 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:44.440 then Warner than you know, and Warner had my masters 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:46.879 and now I'm just doing Lease great guy man. Yeah. 0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.600 Foundation is a great company. Yeah, amazing. And the one 0:48:49.640 --> 0:48:52.120 thing about Foundations, you could just call Lee and be like, Ao, 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.600 what I'm trying to drop some ship tomorrow, and who's good. 0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.120 Let me call the stories. We'll figure it out. Yeah, 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:01.200 let's do it. Shout out to Hey, that's dope. I 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.239 didn't know you were on the Foundation. That makes sense though. Yeah, 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:04.759 I've been with them for about two years. I did 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:08.279 my last project with them too, it makes sense, and 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.360 that last project was did Numbers Bro. You were on 0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:14.680 hell A Playlist and that's in Foundation helped with that. 0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:16.799 Feel like a couple of years ago you were. I 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.279 felt like I was like Forest kind of hanging out 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.879 with some of these industrydutions a little. I gotta try 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:25.359 to pull them back in a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:29.920 I almost got pulled back into I was like, oh, 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.719 there were certain people mentioning you to me that. I 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:37.360 was like, yeah, you like seven figure deals on the table. 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.960 I bet you did. I might need this right now, 0:49:40.080 --> 0:49:42.840 like I bet you did. But when it comes to 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.960 building catalog, you gotta really, you gotta you got to 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.759 bite the bullet and think long term, right, you know, 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.080 especially for me. For me, if I if I only 0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:52.680 made music for two years and I have a seven 0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.200 figure deal on the table, I'm like, let me take it, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.680 you know. But now I'm kind of like, man, I've 0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:01.960 had this seven figure deal to that include your independent catalog. No, okay, 0:50:02.000 --> 0:50:03.480 well then that's that's different because you know a lot 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:04.759 of that's what they're doing now. They're like, we want 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.279 to roll up your whole ship. Everyone wants catalogs now, 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.520 everyone for sure. But but yeah, I was like, I 0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.319 have songs that are already making second seven figures. I 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:16.840 have songs that are you know, not albums, just singles 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.440 that already did seven figures. Like I just need to 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.879 push another one or two of those out. I don't 0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:24.080 need to sign for four albums, sign for three albums 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.640 with you for saying like you have like a lot 0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:31.240 of dude, I mean fucking you got songs with people 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.000 that the fact that you were able to have a 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:37.080 Kailani and Janet feature on an independent project and like, 0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.719 you know, that's a big deal man. That says a 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.400 lot about your relationships that you built over the years. Yeah, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.480 and it takes, it takes grind, it takes hard working, 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.120 especially artists of that statue. Well, those are also the 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:51.719 type of artists that have high artistic integrities going to 0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:53.399 don't want to work with someone and you can make 0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:55.880 the greatest music, but they don't want to work with 0:50:55.960 --> 0:51:00.080 you if you have any you know, they also like 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.759 art the time. I'm assuming like you just can't pay 0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.839 for like features from some of these artists oh no, 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:09.080 you know, they gotta love this song, got to be great. 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.800 It has to be something that's like, yeah, I'm gonna 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:14.359 do it. And most of the time, you know, those 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.279 are artists that will really just get in there and 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.719 just do it and create because they love music. It's 0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:21.520 way I'm in. It's weird because I'm in both industries. 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.239 You know, I'm in the R and B and I'm 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.719 in the rap, and I see the difference. I feel 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:28.880 like the R and B side they really appreciate music 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:30.799 a lot more and they're less of like trying to 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:32.759 bang out a bunch of songs and just get in 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.400 the studio and I'll put the shit out. There's a 0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.440 lot more integrity behind it, you know. In the rap world, 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:42.080 it's a little more aggressive, like fuck it, We'll just 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.040 do this shit. It's a lot it's a lot more 0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:47.960 like fake and toxic and twisted for sure. Well, I mean, 0:51:48.000 --> 0:51:52.880 like I think like you. I mean, nowadays, you know, 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:56.040 guys like Road Waiver considered hip hop. I mean I'm sure, 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.200 like sure he's got like you know, but it's like 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:00.560 you guys are and be hippy. You guys are really 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.440 just doing like kind of like your own thing, Like 0:52:03.560 --> 0:52:05.360 you know, it's almost like when like people would consider 0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:07.200 post Malone a rapper, I'd get like sick when I 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.600 would hear that out loud. I'm like, he's just an artist. Yeah, 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.600 he's an artist, dude, Like you're one of the to me, 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.680 you're an artist, like you could rap, you could do 0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:18.439 this seeing melodic ship, but you're like an artist. Yeah 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.839 you know what I'm saying. So but you know, but 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:24.200 there's those worlds like rap world, where it's like like 0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.160 these are rappers, Like Doja Cat is a rapper technically 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.319 she raps. She's also like too though, yeah she's a 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:33.480 pop star bro like she's a fucking yeah. When I 0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:35.480 see like, yo, she's the hardest female rapper, I'm like, 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:39.320 but then you'll get really look at her in that lens. Yeah. Yeah, 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.399 But you'll get into those industries where it's like this 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.960 is this is R and B. 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Let's get back to the interview. 0:55:05.480 --> 0:55:09.480 So the album is out, not a lot of features you, 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:14.360 No Sky and garyn Yeah, Garan Sky my girl she 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.759 did amazing. That's your girl, that's her girl. Yeah, just 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:22.000 in the studio vibing or artists first, did you like 0:55:22.040 --> 0:55:24.720 say hey try this? Yeah? No, she she she showed 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.480 me stuff like when we met. She showed me, like, 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:28.880 you know, singing stuff, and I was like, wow, like 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.319 you're really good. She's like like I just did a 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:33.920 fun type thing. I'm like, but you know, just get 0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:35.759 drunk in the studio and just vibe and have a 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:39.160 good time and whatever happens, whatever we create and feel 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.359 good about. We just kind of put together like that. 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:46.600 But yeah, she's she's amazing and talented, and yeah, I 0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:48.200 don't want to make it work. Man, if you put 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.799 her on your album, I know, right, that's what One 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.160 of the songs with her goes like double platinum, right, 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.040 and then you have to perform it and you guys 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.680 break up. Like, I feel so bad for our good 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:01.480 friend Gezy because I me, man, that's my god, not 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:03.279 me myself, and I the fucking him and I and 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:06.839 that record is a smash. He has to perform the song, 0:56:06.960 --> 0:56:08.879 but it's him and his axe talking about each other. 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.000 But you know record, I think, I think, and this 0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:13.040 is kind of how I see it too, like like 0:56:13.160 --> 0:56:16.560 once again, like whatever happens happens, and life can lead 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.319 you in a million different ways. But I've seen him. 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.399 I've seen him perform it without her after the whole 0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:25.399 thing too. And and I think, you know, as when 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.279 you grow, when you get older as adults, you kind 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.120 of just accept certain things and you realize, like, you 0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.279 know what, this was a beautiful thing at the time. 0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:34.440 This was a beautiful moment at the time, and I'm 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.200 still going to respect that instead of letting that eat 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:40.000 away at me or become bitter about it. What was 0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:45.320 it like touring with him? Oh, man maniac ship Right, Yeah, 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:48.600 let's let's just say it was fun. They set up 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.000 like the little pre party and after party, little section 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:54.160 still house. Yeah, Vibes. Trippy was on that tour too 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:58.239 with us Me Me Gazy and Trippy. Yeah, We're had 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:02.560 it a lot of real debauch. Yeah, yeah, I think 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:04.680 I might have signed a contract. I cannot say. I 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.799 can't say anything. I didn't sign ship, but some of 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.520 the fast nights of my life for that crazy white man. Yeah, 0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.080 it was fun. Man. Jeez is an amazing dude. Man, 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.440 Tippy has fucking seen a lot of success bringing that 0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:20.400 fucking Cinnamon Apple, fucking Still House House and the Mint Stillhouse. 0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:23.240 By the way, he's not with Steel House anymore from 0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.480 what I hear from what he told me actually, so 0:57:26.040 --> 0:57:28.200 uh yeah, Well look, man, I appreciate you pulling up 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:31.720 Go Sport the new album Butterfly Effect. It's out, yes, sir, 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:33.280 more than music on the way anything else. Is the 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:37.480 clothing line still booming obviously, Yeah, man, we're re rebranding 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:41.400 the clothing line. I had some I just had some 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.840 internal kind of things, conflicts and stuff like that where 0:57:43.840 --> 0:57:46.120 I had with you know, people I trusted and people 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:51.080 that didn't really you know, suit what I was going 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:56.360 through and you know, my views on things. But I 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:59.560 stepped I had to step in and kind of control 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:03.320 everything and rebuild it the way I wanted it to be. 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.720 But just so much shit. I spent so much time 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:12.320 on the brand, and I think, uh yeah, just bringing 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.000 in people that you know, weren't really good for me 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:18.400 or whatever, and you know, being able to trust people. 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:20.600 I trusted people that maybe I shouldn't have or put 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:22.560 too much trust into people. I'm gonna be honest, bro, 0:58:22.720 --> 0:58:25.480 I've met two or three random dudes that they were 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.360 your manager of the last like three years for sure, 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.000 and I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if 0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:35.720 I'm the problem. I don't know if like very random dudes, yeah, 0:58:36.040 --> 0:58:39.760 R'd be like, oh yeah, that's the homie hit me yeah, 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:41.400 and then I give them my number and then they 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:44.640 just keep hitting me on some like hey, yo, it's 0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:48.720 for as manager. And I'm like, bro, the industry, I mean, 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:50.600 you know, but it's it's crazy. You just got to 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:53.280 be careful. We keep around you, bro, right. And I'm 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.800 learning that because I usually because I move with good 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.440 intentions and I expect the same of others and I 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.920 think the same of others. But it's not always like that. 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.640 You know how many people have like for or Yours 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.920 Truly tattoos? Too many? We're looking at pictures the other 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:12.240 day it's straight like my face, you know, my whole 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:16.520 like from Upper Torso just tattooed, Like it's crazy. It's crazy. 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:20.120 The Yours Truly logo too, like it's it's insane, man. 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:23.440 Every time I see it. If someone gets your face 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:30.200 tattooed on them, is there a benefit that comes? That's 0:59:30.240 --> 0:59:32.800 that's a good question. I mean, you're not a direct benefit, 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.600 but if I see it, I'm just like, I'm gonna 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:38.320 remember them forever, right, you know, if I like to 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:42.080 get into the show, not like that. If you know, 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:45.120 and even people that don't have you know, my face 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:48.680 or my name tattooed, like I connect with my fans 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:53.000 group chats, you know, Instagram. If someone's like, yo, I 0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:54.840 got your name tattooed. Me and my sister and me 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:56.640 and my cousin want to get in, Like, I'm like, yo, 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:58.360 I'll put you on the guest list easier. I want 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:01.200 everyone at my shows. I don't. I'm not like, oh, 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:03.560 fucking you have to pay the fifteen. If it gets 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:04.880 out of hand and you end up like you know, 1:00:04.920 --> 1:00:06.880 like Tech nine and Strange Music, where like all their 1:00:06.880 --> 1:00:09.360 fans have like some sort of tattoo, You're not fucking 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.040 making any money on the road. But that's where you 1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.439 want to get man, because it's not about ticket sales 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:16.520 or album sales. It's about people. You want to touch 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:21.000 the people yeah, and that someone tattooed forever. You know, 1:00:21.160 --> 1:00:23.960 they're they're a fan of you forever, you know. Yeah, 1:00:23.960 --> 1:00:27.720 I've seen that work the bad way too, with ICP tattoos. 1:00:28.120 --> 1:00:30.920 Oh yeah, the hatchet Man. Yeah, they're crazy. Yeah, Juggalo 1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:34.240 Juggolo vibes. Yeah, there's like fifty year old dudes teaching 1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:38.400 fucking seventh grade that were ex Juggalos. Nice and they'll 1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:39.600 never be able to get rid of it. I have 1:00:39.600 --> 1:00:43.600 you've been to the Gathering of the Juggalos. I actually was. 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.080 I've never been, but they tried to book me to 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:50.520 do something there in like twenty fifteen, and I was like, 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:53.360 once you go Juggalo, you never go. Yeah, I want 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.480 to go. I would love to. I think they get 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:58.200 a I think they get a bad, bad rap because 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:00.600 I think they're really like good people. I've seen a 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:03.160 lot of like videos and stuff on like Gathering of 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:06.320 the Juggalos, and they're really their whole model and their 1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:08.880 whole thing is like family for sure, you know. And 1:01:08.920 --> 1:01:10.920 I love that it's like a cult kind of thing. 1:01:11.120 --> 1:01:15.400 And it looks fun. Yeah, it looks like white Latino. 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.480 There's a fun hut there. Yeah, it's crazy and people 1:01:18.680 --> 1:01:21.240 it's like a it's an open, free environment. There's a 1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:24.080 drug bridge. Have you heard about the drug bridge? No, 1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:26.920 but so they got a bridge, sounds like, and you 1:01:26.960 --> 1:01:31.000 go to the bridge. Yeah, and it's anything you want, man, 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.080 but it's I I gotta give my respects to those 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.240 people because for sure, for sure, you know, shout out 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:38.040 to the Juggalos. I'm for Phoenix. We got none but 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:41.800 Juggalos there, but they got it. I heard. I mean, 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:44.080 this is my boy, jelly Roll told me. Jelly rolls 1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:46.160 like jelly Roll. Yeah, He's like, bro, they got a 1:01:46.200 --> 1:01:48.560 fucking tent there. That's just you just go in and 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:50.800 everyone's fucking and he's like, bro, but it's like the 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:54.000 type of people you don't want to see fucking He's like, bro, 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:58.200 they look like me, broy, Man, everyone needs someone. The 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:02.880 stench in that motherfucker is crazy. Everyone needs someone. Can 1:02:02.920 --> 1:02:07.400 you imagine? Like Juggalos don't have the highest personal hygiene. 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.840 Based on my experience with them over the years, and 1:02:09.840 --> 1:02:12.800 I've had vast experience with them, I've been to some 1:02:12.960 --> 1:02:18.040 ICP shows that whole c P, cotton Mouth Kings, Strange Music, 1:02:18.320 --> 1:02:24.919 fucking yeah, yeah, shout out. There were guys yeah, good people. 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:28.640 They just misunderstood. Let's call them misunderstood. Did you grow 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:30.320 up like you grew up in Cali? Where the cotton 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:31.960 Mouth Kings popping? I mean, I don't know. They might 1:02:32.000 --> 1:02:35.240 have been done from Anaheim. They're from Riverside? Are they from? 1:02:35.400 --> 1:02:38.840 They were OC guys. I mean maybe some might have 1:02:38.840 --> 1:02:41.480 came from OC. 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