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Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by Netflix. Netflix is

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Speaker 2: basically Santa this year. Two NFL games on Christmas Day,

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Speaker 2: streaming live at one eastern Cowboys Commanders Dallas is suddenly

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Speaker 2: must win for Detroit. So watching holiday football is a tradition.

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Speaker 2: The whole family can get into, settle in, watch it.

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Speaker 2: The NFL Christmas Day games live on Netflix starting at

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Speaker 2: one pm Eastern time. Watching holiday football is a tradition.

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Speaker 2: The whole family can enjoy, open some gifts, grab some food,

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Speaker 2: settle in and watch NFL live on Netflix Christmas Day

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Speaker 2: starting at one pm Eastern time. All right, it's time

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Speaker 2: for sit down for about forty five minutes to an

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Speaker 2: hour of Danny Parkins. We have a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: to address in the media, so let's get right to this.

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Speaker 2: So there was an announcement today. iHeart Netflix. Netflix is

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Speaker 2: buying all sorts of podcasts and I was scrolling around

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Speaker 2: right before this. I stay off the phone mostly prep

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I try to be intentional with my phone viewing, but

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Speaker 2: I was dinking around here, so it's off the top

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Speaker 2: of my head here barstool. Dave Portnoy was getting crap.

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Speaker 2: He was being called a sellout, you know, for doing

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Speaker 2: the Netflix deal, and it was really interesting. I know

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Speaker 2: you'll appreciate this. Dave owned a company. Iheart's company. I

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Speaker 2: own a company. Podcasting is audio. I listen to podcasts,

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Speaker 2: I don't watch them. I may try it Netflix absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I've done before. I've watched some some Joe Rogan before

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Speaker 2: the visual version, but they're podcasts were built for audio.

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Speaker 2: So now YouTube kind of control the universe. It is

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Speaker 2: a win for anybody that owns a company and a

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Speaker 2: podcaster if the dominating position is challenged. Like when FS

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Speaker 2: one was created and people criticized it, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: are you idiots? This gives you leverage and negotiation the

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Speaker 2: people at ESPN ripping it. I'm like, do you want

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Speaker 2: no competition for ESPN? So to me, YouTube dominated in

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Speaker 2: iHeart and Dave Portnoy and me and the volume. Eventually

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Speaker 2: and my example is this baseball was on radio only

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Speaker 2: Baseball wasn't selling out to go to television. It was

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Speaker 2: expanding first of all, expanded TV, and then eventually multiple

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Speaker 2: selling out. That is that is the space expanding and

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Speaker 2: barstool volume. Anybody there's my rant.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a good rant.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that I think you left out and

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Speaker 1: this I won't. I'll take a position on what you

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Speaker 1: said in a second. Of course, it's good for like

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Speaker 1: you and me, like contents creators, more people who would

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's good for you and me.

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's good for the companies, and you own one,

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Speaker 1: and that's amazing and all that.

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Speaker 3: I think the question, I assume.

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Speaker 1: The people that were calling him a sellout, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't see that, but I assume that that wasn't like

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Speaker 1: Like if you watch these podcasts on video and you

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Speaker 1: your preferred method of viewing it is YouTube and that

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Speaker 1: Coughs podcasts, that's like whatever, whatever one you watch, now

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Speaker 1: you have to watch it in a different place exclusively.

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Speaker 1: If you don't subscribe to that place, you are now

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Speaker 1: faced with a choice to either stop watching listen only

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Speaker 1: then these NFL games are in a million different places.

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Speaker 1: like I got an idea, let's bundle it all together

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Speaker 1: and it's going to continue to I do watch a

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Speaker 1: it was amazing will Arnt on Conan O'Brien's podcast talking

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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to that. I saw a video clip,

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Speaker 1: just I'm interested in it. From Netflix's standpoint of do

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Speaker 2: That's That's my take is that Netflix is going to

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Speaker 2: these companies taking another reason to stick. You go for

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Speaker 2: another half hour and watch this pod. It has a

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Speaker 2: NBC will hemorrhage money, but they'll find an audience streaming

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Speaker 2: that thing. ESPN's the incumbent. The incumbent doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: The owners absolutely love it, but I do wonder how

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Speaker 2: many people are gonna go to Amazon to watch NBA.

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Speaker 2: I think the number is going to be small.

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Speaker 1: You know, like like the there's how do we know

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Speaker 1: It's not like it's out there available for everyone or

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Speaker 1: And the reason they did Black Friday. Why do they

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Speaker 2: The yeah. I mean it's I know it's not easy

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Speaker 2: He's the media guy, and Lucas Shaw said for the

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Speaker 2: the opposite direction. It added Cable added subscribers. Again, doesn't

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Speaker 2: mean the end of cord cutting, no, but what it

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Speaker 2: what it shows is the demand has been so relentless

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Speaker 2: Some people have said, the hell with it, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go back to cable. I'm not paying three hundred,

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Speaker 2: I'll pay one point eighty and I won't watch most

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Speaker 2: The record, I did a rant today to lead my show,

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Speaker 2: And it's it's like rural guy in Kentucky ripping California.

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Speaker 3: Let's do something else and let's try it, and so

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Speaker 1: How much should a fan care about something new? Reasonable

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Speaker 3: You know, you feel like who won it?

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Speaker 2: When I was in local radio, I didn't get paid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said I had a better contract.

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Speaker 3: Little extra five K, a little extra ten k a quarter.

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Speaker 1: The banner shouldn't be as big as a championship banner.

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Speaker 3: It's just up and it's just NBA.

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Speaker 1: It's just NBA the banner at the top, says NBA

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Speaker 3: That's it. Don't need to make it. You don't need

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Speaker 1: You black it out, call back your legends, like it's

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Speaker 1: That's a good that is a that is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: And I've been to Allen Field House. Those people will

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Speaker 2: when I can't figure out something and then you have

441
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: an Aha moment, And I kind of had one over

442
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: the last two weeks. So for years, the last several years,

443
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: I could not figure out how Russell Wilson went from

444
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: elite to maybe just a really good backup with no

445
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: major injury and he wasn't that old. And I kept

446
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 2: saying it made I mean, it was like literally a

447
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: two year topic. I don't understand it. I what great,

448
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: really good? Is he a backup? But and then I

449
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: watched Tua the last two weeks and I went, wait,

450
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: two is about his size?

451
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: Oh?

452
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: Wait? And then I watched Kyler Murray Arizona doesn't want

453
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: to play him. And I've come to the conclusion that

454
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: smaller quarterbacks could not withstand Justin Herbert's career and that

455
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: those hits are more punitive. And if you watch TUA

456
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 2: last on Monday Night, he is afraid to get hit.

457
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: That's not disputable, Like that's been said by Gruden, multiple

458
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: people out there. Bruce Arians like he didn't want to

459
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: get hit. Kyler Murray, I was told by an NFL

460
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: guy his rookie year who sacked him. He's like, bro,

461
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: he I know when somebody scared when I hit them.

462
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: And Russell Wilson didn't get hit a lot, but he

463
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: got hit enough. And so I watched Tua go from

464
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl to good too. Can't play a lick, and

465
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: it sort of unraveled the mystery of Russell Wilson, which

466
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: is size matters at quarterback. Smaller quarterbacks age overnight, if

467
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: they lose elusiveness, if they get hit too many times,

468
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: they don't withstand the punishment. And frankly, I mean, ask

469
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: yourself if you got hit by football players who could

470
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: bench twice your weight, and you how many hits with

471
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Speaker 2: you like Justin Herbert sixty six. I had dinner with

472
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Speaker 2: their GM, the Chargers last week. He goes, I think

473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: he's six seven. Actually, you guys are short changing him.

474
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: Six seven's an NBA small forward, right, and he's two

475
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: thirty eight, So I guess I guess My point was.

476
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: I feel like the Tua story is the reality of

477
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: small quarterbacks, the age overnight.

478
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Speaker 1: First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows

479
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: how tall Justin Herbert is.

480
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Speaker 3: I think he's definitely. You should know.

481
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Speaker 1: If anyone in the world you know exactly how tall

482
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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert is, it's the Chargers general manager. Yeah. I

483
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: saw you ask Brady on the show about the hype

484
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a great answer.

485
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule.

486
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: Right.

487
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: It's like Kurt Warner succeeded and he was a grocery

488
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: store backer. That doesn't mean you should go to your shop, right,

489
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: that finds the next great quarterback. Right, Like Drew Brees

490
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: was six feet tall. He's six feet tall, and he

491
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: got better as his career went on, and he was unbelievable.

492
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Speaker 1: But he's also like one of the best throwers of

493
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: the football ever. You know, like he's just crazy accurate,

494
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: crazy smart. His highlights don't really make any sense, like

495
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Speaker 1: is he throwing from his tiptoe? Yeah he is, as

496
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: long has he done that for a decade, Like it's

497
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: like it's like a week, but it's like, well, but

498
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that. If I was a general manager,

499
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I want to find the next Drew Brees.

500
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't there's one, you know, there's not there's

501
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: not many guys that you would like. Yeah, long sustained

502
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: career at that size, and so yeah, I think it's

503
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua

504
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: is man, it's sad, but it's just true. Like he's

505
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: concussion prone and he played in an era where we

506
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: know as much as we do about concussions that he's

507
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: clearly been told you can't get concussions man, Like I

508
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: because it had happened, like when they when he had

509
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: the multiple concussions quick and he was having the fencing

510
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: response and it was really like tough to watch. He

511
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: got he got a concussion and I don't remember the

512
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: exact sequence of what happened, but they put him on

513
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: IR immediately and it. Maybe he came out of the

514
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: protocol sooner than that, but it got to the point

515
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: where Mike McDaniel was like, well, I can't.

516
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Speaker 3: You can't have a concussion and then play two of

517
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Speaker 3: the next week.

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Speaker 1: It felt cruel and reckless and like, you know, like,

519
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: but then they can't win without Tua. Apparently no one

520
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: else can run his offense, and so what do you

521
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: do with that guy? You probably tell him, hey man,

522
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: priority number one, don't get a concussion, don't get hit well.

523
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: So then you combine small quarterback, not the strongest arm

524
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: playing to not get hit, and you get what we

525
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: saw the other night.

526
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: More it's like, what is your career over?

527
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: Yes, right, Like it's it's over.

528
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: His career is over because he's.

529
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Speaker 1: Way too expensive and too accomplished and he's made too

530
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: much money and he's like too young. Is he gonna

531
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: play for six million bucks to be someone's to be?

532
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: To be Patrick Mahomes's backup next year? Like that would

533
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: shock me.

534
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: A in a strange way.

535
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Not that it would be next year because of what

536
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: his contract, but two years from now is to a

537
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: five to ten million dollar a year backup for a

538
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: great quarterback.

539
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: That that would shock me in a weird way. He

540
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: got paid, he got his guaranteed money, he sent for life,

541
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: and he's probably best served to not play anymore because

542
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: of the concussions. In a sense, it played out not beautifully,

543
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: but it played out or ironically the way it should have.

544
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: He made a Pro Bowl, he got paid, there were concussions,

545
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: he got better, he got bad quickly, and it's probably

546
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: time to leave now, not stay for four years like

547
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: most guys could drag it on. In a way, it

548
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: all played out. Won a Natty, drafted first round, made

549
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 2: a Pro Bowl, got paid, concussion stuff, really bad, comes

550
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: back not the same player that was always probably going

551
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: to be his career, right Like like once he had

552
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: the first couple concussions, you're like, okay, it's like a

553
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: big man in the NBA getting injured. They'll go eleven

554
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: years not getting injured. That's just your body's not meant

555
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: to be seven to three, right, just not.

556
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine, just because you mentioned the dinner with

557
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: the Chargers GM, I would have loved to know next

558
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out because

559
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non Caleb Williams player, in football,

560
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: like I love watching Justin Herbert play football, have for forever.

561
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, god,

562
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I hope the Dolphins take two over Herbert.

563
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: Like what an insane decision.

564
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Speaker 1: When you're talking, you're talking about like height, Like one

565
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: guy looks like Tua, the other guy looks like Justin Herbert.

566
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: And you're like, I'm going Tua.

567
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: I just think it's a mind So I have insight

568
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: to that. Tom Telesco's a friend.

569
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: I would love to I would love to hear as

570
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: much about that as you're willing to share.

571
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: Okay, Tom liked both. Tom was leaning Tua because he

572
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: thought he thought Herbert was mechanical. He was a little stiff. Yeah, Tom,

573
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: Tom goes, I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking

574
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: on Wisconsin, and Wisconsin had, if you recall, a great

575
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: defense for about a two year stretch they had the

576
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: former NFL player came back and was their decordinator. Okay,

577
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: so he went and watched him, and I said, what

578
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: did you think? And he's like, yeah, you got to

579
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: see Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger

580
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: in person than on TV. And Tom said, secondly, he

581
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: is really really athletic, he said. Tom came to the

582
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: conclusion that Mario Christobal did not have a backup he

583
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: believed in, so they played a very super conservative offense.

584
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State did this with c J. Stroud. They never

585
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: let him run and then he played Georgie in his

586
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: final game and they let c J. Stroud run and

587
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: he was running all over and you're like, oh what CJ.

588
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: Stroud's athletic. Justin Herbert was a very protect justin we

589
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: don't have a backup. We love let's and Mario knew

590
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: it was a really good team that could get to

591
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: a Rose Bowl. And then then you get to play

592
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Wisconsin and you're like, okay, kid, do your magic. And

593
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay, this

594
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: is a different version of the guy. And by the way,

595
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: John Snyder feels this way to Seahawk GM. You got

596
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: to go to the games. You just there's certain things

597
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: you gotta see. You got to be on the sideline

598
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 2: before the game. You gotta look at their confidence. You

599
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: gotta see you gotta hear the ball when they throw

600
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: it past you can you hear it? Like there's a

601
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: lot of things that you want to.

602
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: They interact with teammates. Do they hang their head?

603
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: I watched Boone Nick, so I went. I had a

604
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: place for a while in Utah and the Ducks were

605
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: in town, and I had seen Washington, Oregon. I'd seen

606
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: bone Nicks and Michael Pennix. I went to the game

607
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: because I was a Husky fan and a Duck fan,

608
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: but I wanted to see these two quarterbacks. I thought,

609
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: I can kill two birds one stone. Go to Husky

610
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: Stadium and a few weeks later they played Utah. I

611
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: was literally at my house. I'm like, it's just down

612
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: the road. I want to go watch the game. And

613
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: I got, strangely a great seat two rows in.

614
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Speaker 1: And I was right behind bone Nix. It wasn't so strange.

615
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowherd. I didn't think you

616
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: were gonna be in section three forty six. Like, go ahead, sorry, okay.

617
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: So I don't know how, but I got a sideline

618
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: pass and then my ticket was on the forty yard

619
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Speaker 1: line in the second round.

620
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Speaker 3: I don't know how it happened. I have an idea,

621
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: but go ahead.

622
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: So he's cut, Bow's cut when you see him like

623
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: he is like it reminded me of d Wade's body.

624
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second

625
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: thing was he was on the sideline and they were

626
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: winning comfortably. I mean, he was a coach park turn player,

627
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, holy shit, that is a frickin' inte.

628
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: He was intense and they were up by three touchdowns early.

629
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: Bon Mix is and I was just like, oh wow, okay,

630
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: that's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at

631
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: the time, and I said, Sean, let me tell you

632
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: a story about Bonix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person.

633
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he

634
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: even saw him on film, and you know his personality.

635
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: The dad was a coach. But I guess the whole

636
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: point being is when you see Herbert in person, or

637
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: you see some of these quarterbacks in person, to hear

638
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: the ball, to see the interaction, it's different than you

639
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: and I. That's why I go to two or three

640
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: college games a year. I want to see people in person.

641
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's I mean, that's that's what

642
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: scouting is, right. You can't just watch the film. There's

643
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: all sorts of soft factors. It's interesting that the Herbert

644
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: mechanical thing, I think that's totally fair. Like he's the

645
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: last couple of years, I think it translated to the pros.

646
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: I think he was very you know, make the right read.

647
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you would throw short of the sticks a little

648
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Speaker 1: bit too much, but you know what I mean. I

649
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: think I think that that was a fair criticism of him.

650
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: But for me, I also was just like there was

651
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: always like, man, you know what, that guy's not the problem.

652
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: Like his rookie his rookie year, he's not even supposed

653
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: to start. Tyrod Taylor has the mis state and the

654
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: middle the.

655
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: Mistake punctured lunk thing.

656
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: He comes in and he plays in Week two and

657
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, yes my homes, yeah right,

658
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: exactly the end of the year, he's got thirty one

659
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, which is still a record for rookie players.

660
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, unbelievable, he said.

661
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: Three head coaches, he said, I think four play callers.

662
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: He's had disastrous injuries around him. Always they just have

663
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: terrible luck, terrible special teams. Until this year. Finally, Dicker

664
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: is an unbelievable kicker. Like he's obviously got a coach

665
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: who knows how to win. Still horrifying injury luck most

666
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: offensive line combinations in the NFL, Like, I just I

667
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: want to see one year and I know everybody gets hurt,

668
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: just like one year where Justin Herbert has just like

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00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: above average luck around him. Because I'm just to me,

670
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: it's like, you watch the NFL, well, you can't have

671
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: him in your top five because he has zero playoff wins.

672
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, watch me like Mahomes Alan this year. You

673
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: want to say Stafford, fine, but if you think there

674
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: are five five quarterbacks in the world better than Justin Herbert,

675
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: I just think you're insane. I think it's an I

676
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: think it's an insane thought.

677
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: But it's just got zero wins.

678
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: And people will say interceptions, but right now seven of

679
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: the leading eleven interception leaders in the NFL are Josh Allen, Mahomes, Herbert,

680
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, dak Bo Nicks. It's like, guys, for of

681
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: the last six Super Bowls, the winning quarterback through an

682
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: interception into Super Bowl, Like, you got to get over that.

683
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they and listen, he had four interceptions in that

684
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 1: game against Houston last year. Obvious sleep in the playoff

685
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: game obviously not good. Two of them were off his

686
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: guy's hands, and his offensive line was decimated in the interior.

687
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: And Houston is a great defense, and he had he

688
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: was a bad game to have the worst game of

689
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: his career, undeniable blew a twenty seven point lead to Jacksonville.

690
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: I don't tend to think that's on the quarterback, missed kick,

691
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: other team defense, all those things. But you know, again,

692
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: oh and two, you got to live with it. But

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00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: I've just he's going to hoist the Lombardi Trophy. He's

694
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: going to be an MVP. Like I just I think

695
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: he's too good not to.

696
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: One of the things that it's one of the things

697
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: I always feel bad for athletes. I know they're rich,

698
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: yeah sure, but I always feel bad for athletes that

699
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: the harder you train in college, the greater you are

700
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: the worst franchise you go to. And I have some

701
00:37:55,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: I've thought about this Joe Burrow situation so many times.

702
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: So in his is it six or seven years in

703
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 2: the NFL, he's never had an O line rated higher

704
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: than twenty third best in the NFL. They don't make

705
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: any big trades. Even their star players are almost forced

706
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: to hold out Zach Tator by any estimation is okay.

707
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: And even if he wasn't, they don't fire and payoff

708
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: coaches early. Cincinnati is a small I mean, people don't

709
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: understand Los Angeles doesn't have a bigger economy than Cincinnati.

710
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: It's hundreds of times bigger. The game day revenue Stan

711
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: Cronk makes it. SOFI in a Sunday is probably almost

712
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: a season worth of game day revenue. Maybe two SOFI

713
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: games is an entire season worth of home games for Cincinnati.

714
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: So I really I and I feel Joe Burrow and

715
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer already ditch this organization. What do you do?

716
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Because I think what we're seeing is Overah knowing he's

717
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: trapped and there's been now counting three press conferences when

718
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: he's been asked about this by SIAT, by Cincinnati media. Danny,

719
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: they are a therapist, he's on the couch. He's like,

720
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: I think about a lot of things. I think we

721
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 2: are watching the greatest American football player who's in an

722
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: awful situation in Cincinnati. And I feel absolutely I know

723
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: he's rich. I feel horrible for him.

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00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, so he was you know, obviously

725
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: he was asked about that this week and he said

726
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Cincinnati. Hard to believe him.

727
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: Because somebody said, do you think about leaving or something?

728
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Do you think and he said I think about a

729
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: lot of things, And I thought that was the best answer.

730
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: Where I hate it here, but I don't want to

731
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: throw my teammates or my coaches under the bus.

732
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: So I think it's hard.

733
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: We do it all the time, and so like sometimes

734
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: like when these things get clipped, I try, I'm like,

735
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: is the is the player going to see it? Who

736
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: the hell does this guy think he is to psychoanalyze me?

737
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: So like, I know your people won't do that, but

738
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: just we're having a good conversation. I think people will

739
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: listen to it in its entirety and take it there.

740
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: I Joe Burrow strikes me as someone and he has

741
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: said things around this. He strikes me as someone who

742
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: loves football but does not love the things that come

743
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: with football, Like you don't see Joe Burrow in a

744
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: lot of commercials. I don't think Joe Burrow likes fame,

745
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: which is totally understandable. You just said rich and famous.

746
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: Try rich.

747
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: It's probably enough for you, right, But like Patrick Mahomes

748
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: clearly is okay with being famous. Clearly he's in a

749
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: ton of commercials. He sits courtside at games, he shows

750
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: up at celebrity golf tournaments like he's very comfortable being famous.

751
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: Josh Allen, same thing. Caleb Williams, same thing.

752
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, a very introverted guy, does not like it

753
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: is dating a model, influencer, singer, song or whatever. Madison

754
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: Beer is, and she's all of those things according to

755
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: her Wikipedia page.

756
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: He's clearly like getting used to it or trying to

757
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 3: because of the woman that he.

758
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: When I had Justin Herbert on this year, the Charger

759
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: said they got calls from even their own employees going

760
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 2: Justin's on television just hides from the media. And he's like,

761
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: well he's listened to Colin when he was a kid.

762
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. But the point being is Justin literally

763
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: it's not anti media. He just he's embarrassed by being

764
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: front and center above his teammates. He's that kind of guy.

765
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: Sure, okay, And so that's like a football thing.

766
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: But like you know, Joe Burrow, he loves he did

767
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: that the Netflix quarterback thing, and I and I watched it,

768
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: and he's he's interesting, he's thoughtful, he's very close with

769
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: his parents. He's genuinely into fashion.

770
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: He you know, he.

771
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Tried to buy the Batmobile then he had to return it.

772
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: He likes I think he liked Pokemon cards.

773
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 3: And video games.

774
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: He seems like a kid, like a big kid who

775
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: got rich and he's having to be really good at football.

776
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: And then you remember the story about his home invasion.

777
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: He was he's one of those athletes who they were

778
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: on the yes on the road house got broken into,

779
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: what got stolen kind of got reported, who was there,

780
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, got reported, And he talked about it being

781
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: like a felt very violated, huge invasion of privacy and

782
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: like both like the literal invasion of his home, but

783
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: then also the reporting around it and what was revealed

784
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: about his personal life and who he was dating that he.

785
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: Didn't want revealed.

786
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: I again, literally no insight into it, but just how

787
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: he handled that press conference after the burglary at his house.

788
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: I wonder how much that's sticking with him of just like, man,

789
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: is this I'm injured. I've been injured multiple times, so

790
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: I'm spending a lot more time rehabbing than playing.

791
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 3: Football.

792
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm losing, we are we are losing, and the cost

793
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: of this is coming at like a real expense.

794
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: To like, especially he's in Ohio. You can't you can

795
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: hide in LA. You can't hide when you're an Ohio

796
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: boy playing for the Bengals.

797
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Right, Because I've seen some people think, oh, he doesn't

798
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: like fame, looking how he dresses, I'm like, I don't know.

799
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: The Netflix thing made it seem like he is just

800
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: like genuinely interested in fashion, which is a totally reasonable

801
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: thing for people to be interested in, and you have

802
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: money and access to whatever.

803
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: So like, I just I think he hates fame. He

804
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: hates being injured. Obviously, he hates losing.

805
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: And so where I my guess is where that time

806
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't just like Cincinnati. I've been in

807
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, I've played for I've been I've played

808
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: for another super Bowl. I've won here. But is Cincinnati

809
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: doing all the things on the margins to allow him

810
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: to win? You know, like, if if they, if they,

811
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: if they were a small market team operated like the

812
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers or the Kansas City Chiefs or whatever,

813
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: like I think he would be totally fine with it.

814
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: And so Tom Tom Brady was like this in New England.

815
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: Tom was taking pay cuts and going where all my receivers?

816
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: Right? Right?

817
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: So Joe Burrows like, I'm doing all these rehabs because

818
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: you can't protect me.

819
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: Right.

820
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: So I think Brady felt like at the end he

821
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: chose Tampa because of Mike Evans Chris Godwin. I'll bring

822
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: Gronk like they had. They had three tight ends. I

823
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: think Joe and Tom are like and Tom won all

824
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: the Super Bowls, but at the end, Tom was frustrated,

825
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can

826
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: get open. I'm taking pay cuts. Where are the playmakers

827
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: around me? And I think Joe's like, you won't protect me.

828
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: I'm I'm the car. That's the insurance policy. You won't pay,

829
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: the policy known as the old line.

830
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I just wonder. I obviously hope Joe

831
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't retire like he you know, I and Diana

832
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: Rossini reported that people are taking that too far with

833
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: the Andrew Luck comparisons.

834
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 3: I hope she's I hope she's right. But if he's.

835
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: Fallen out of love with football because of the physical

836
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: toll it's taken on his body, and the toll it's

837
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: taken on his like mental health and like the price

838
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: of fame, then anything's possible, you know. But I would

839
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: say also, just like so like that's one thought. Other thought.

840
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: If you're right and it's man, he's tired of the Bengals,

841
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: what do you think twenty two to twenty six teams

842
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: should call Cincinnati this offseason and say our quarterback plus two.

843
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 3: First round picks for Joe Burrow.

844
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: Right, Like, he's unbelievable, He's in his prime, his contract

845
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: is relatively reasonable. Like basically every team in the league

846
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: should at least make that phone call.

847
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 3: If he loves football and hates Cincinnati.

848
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: Everyone should try to get Joe Burrow to demand to trade.

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Speaker 2: the number one pick. You trade Jackson Dart, you take

885
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 2: the six, five and a half Fernando Mendoza absolutely.

886
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh oh, okay, I think you were saying Joe Burrow.

887
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: Okay, we're saying no shit, And that's a college quarterback

888
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: that's unproven Burrow Here, if Burull had no injuries, three

889
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: first round picks two two's one to three and all

890
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: I need back is a backup. All I need back

891
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: is a player. I mean again, what I think Nick

892
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: Wright once said this, like, we have undervalued how much

893
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: a great quarterback is worth. If Mendoza is as good

894
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: as I think he's going to be, Yeah, okay, is

895
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: four first round picks unreasonable?

896
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: No?

897
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: You you mentioned Nick again?

898
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Uh? And obviously he's a connective tissue between the two

899
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: of us. But maybe my favorite Nick take ever was

900
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: he says is that he said, I would trade for

901
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. And I know it's against league rules because

902
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: it's capped on the number of picks you could say,

903
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: but I would trade Aaron Rodgers, and the trade would be,

904
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: you can have all of my first round picks for

905
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: as long as he's on the tape him right, if

906
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: he's if he's on my team for nine years, it's

907
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: nine first round picks. If he's on my team for

908
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: six years, it's six first round That is a great take.

909
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's beautifully constructed.

910
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: Well, and it's like, what's funny is so the Packers

911
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: have lost Tucker Craft great, Micah Parson's great, Kenny Clark

912
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: run stopper, and Christian Watson their deep ball specialist.

913
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: Well this Zach Tom their right tackle he had the

914
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: knee injury.

915
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really good too.

916
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: And yet this weekend they're favored over Chicago. If all

917
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: of those players were still there and Jordan Love was out,

918
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: you'd be like Bears in a blowout. Like yeah, So

919
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: so when you nick nick Wright's take is that there

920
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 2: is no there is no the value is it's it's

921
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: the old commercial. It's priceless. Is that if Jordan Love

922
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: got hurt and you still had Micah and Kraft and

923
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: Watson and Kenny Clarke att, season's over.

924
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean right, we see it and listen, you

925
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: and I gamble enough. You see it in the point spread.

926
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes when Kyler's out and Jacoby Brissett's him, there's no

927
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: movement in the point spread. Other times when all the

928
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: times when Lamar Jackson's out, it's.

929
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's ten points like on the point spread.

930
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: Like, oh, okay, now I know the difference between Lamar

931
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: Jackson and Kyler Murray.

932
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 3: It's significant, you know what I mean?

933
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: Like, and so there are there are, there are some

934
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: of those guys that are true, crazy difference making level players,

935
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: and you do anything to get him.

936
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Mendoza is about as good a prospect

937
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: as you're gonna get. I mean, humble, Oh, I think

938
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: he's so. And the other thing is I talked to

939
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: an NFL coach about him. I said this, this person

940
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: may need a quarterback, but won't be able to get Mendoza,

941
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: who will go number one. He won't have. He won't

942
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: be able to move up, and he said he's also

943
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: such an easy player to scout because Indiana runs pro concepts,

944
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: so you will know watching his college film, the throws

945
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 2: he canon cannot make. He goes, he's such an easy

946
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: and this is a very good coach who may draft

947
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 2: a quarterback in the next two or three years, may not.

948
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: It's not urgent, but his take was easy guy to camp.

949
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: He said, these big twelve guys like Mahomes, you knew

950
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: he was talented, but you're like, what in the hell

951
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: is that offense?

952
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: Yes, he goes.

953
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: Mendoza is like, they run pro concepts. You will know.

954
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: He goes, it's it's one day I watch in film.

955
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, you can make that throw, that throw,

956
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: that throw, that throw the audible out of that throw.

957
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 2: He goes, he's the easiest guy to scout.

958
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: Ever, what.

959
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: So, I haven't done the full deep dive on him.

960
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: You've watched more of them, so I'll defer to you

961
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: for now on it. But what how would you comp

962
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: that to JJ McCarthy.

963
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: Well, you say, bigger athlete what I'm saying.

964
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: But it wasn't the thing on McCarthy, like, yeah, he

965
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have the most pass attempts, but pro style, winner,

966
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: great leader, people love him, all those things.

967
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: Well, he also had Jim Harbaugh, the best offensive line

968
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: in the country, the best defense in the country, and

969
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: they ran a half with no throws. He was never

970
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 2: really asked. They won almost every game in a blowout. Now,

971
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: Indiana this year has been blowing people out like Illinois.

972
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 2: But you know, I think remember Mendoza was at cal

973
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: and then Mendoza goes to Indiana, and so I think

974
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: the feeling on Mendoza is compared to JJ McCarthy, better traits,

975
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: better arm, bigger guy, incredibly humble, neat story, his parents, neat,

976
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: easy to embrace story. And I think Michigan was not

977
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: as pro as you think. It was very run heavy Indiana.

978
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean that Ohio State and that Penn State. Those games, like, guys,

979
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: we need to score, we need to sling it. This

980
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 2: last drive means everything. And you're going up against the

981
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State secondary. They got Caleb Downs is going to

982
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: be the first seven players taken.

983
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's ridiculous.

984
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: So you're watching pro concepts, pro guy. Indiana's got some

985
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: pro players. Ohio State secondaries all pro players. It's like

986
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: that's easy film to digest and go, that's a great player.

987
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: I felt like in the JJ McCarthy when people asked

988
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: about JJ McCarthy, they gave my least favorite answer. He's

989
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: a winner, Right, Well, what does that mean? I mean

990
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: every Florida quarterback Spurrier had was a winner because it

991
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: was Steve Spurrier and he was eight years ahead of everybody.

992
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: Everybody else in the SEZ offensively, So I think Mendoza

993
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: is one of the better easier guys to preview we've seen.

994
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's really interesting. I'm trying to think, like.

995
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: The Trevor Lawrence as a prospect was like, okay, make

996
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: all the throws when.

997
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: But Clemson didn't run. Clemson's a very it's more college

998
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: than pro Dabbo is very much a college coach, whereas Signetti,

999
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 2: if he was ten years younger, could get an NFL job.

1000
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: But he's a college guy. He loves college, and he's

1001
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: in his sixties. If Signetti was fifty two, he'd get

1002
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: Jim you know, he'd get NFL calls. Absolutely, I think

1003
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: you know what I think he is. He's a much

1004
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: better version of Brian Kelly.

1005
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm just trying.

1006
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm going back through my in my head of like

1007
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: the best college prospects that you know, like Burrow at

1008
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: LSU the year before before Trevor.

1009
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: I mean part thing for him Burrow was average as

1010
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: a junior, and the LSU team may have been the

1011
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 2: most talented college team in the history of the sport.

1012
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: So you're like, I was, Yeah, everybody liked him, but

1013
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, his receivers are better than the

1014
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: Patriots now in college right right?

1015
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: I uh So, my wife went to Clemson and so

1016
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: she got me into Clemson football, like starting in Deshaun

1017
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: Watson's freshman year and for like a basically for the

1018
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson Trevor Lawrence era. That the best era of

1019
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: Clemson football ever. We watched basically every game, and I'd

1020
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: say the worst sports bet I've ever made is is

1021
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: Clemson LSU in the title game. It's like, yeah, I'm

1022
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: just gonna bet against Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson,

1023
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: and Clyde Edwards Hilaire in a dome in Louisiana.

1024
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 3: This was a mistake. It was a mistake.

1025
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: They scored on like every possession.

1026
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 3: It was like against Clemson for the title it's like, oh,

1027
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: do you ever they're really good? Like I was maybe

1028
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: a little bit of a homer on that one.

1029
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: When I lose last week. I was two and three,

1030
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: but I really felt I was on the right side

1031
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: of Carolina. I thought I had a tips down lead

1032
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: two minutes left. I thought it was bad coaching by

1033
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: Dave Canalis. Let's give on a fourth down the ball

1034
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 2: to the least skilled offensive player we have, the full

1035
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: back jesus, I mean, Bryce Young runs well, he's clever,

1036
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: he's creative, he's slippery. Giving the ball, let him try

1037
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: to get a yard. So but do you ever make

1038
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 2: a bet, You'd say it's a worse bet. About three

1039
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: or four times a year, I'll make a bet and

1040
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: I know instantly I didn't think about that. Like, for instance,

1041
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: Miami beat the Jets and the thing was over in

1042
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: four minutes, and I'm like, oh, wait a minute. Mike

1043
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: McDaniel is coaching for his job. His staff is coaching

1044
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: for their jobs. You could tell their game plan was clever,

1045
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: they were into it. They had huge juice and energy.

1046
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: It's like they look like they were in a playoff game,

1047
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: and the Jets are like, we need a better draft pick.

1048
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: Nobody's getting fired here, So yeah, that's a game I

1049
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: knew eight minutes. I'm like, I just picked up. I

1050
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: didn't think about that.

1051
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah all the of course, all the time, I thought

1052
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: you were gonna go the other way, because this is

1053
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: the one that I do all the time that Nick hates.

1054
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, well, I lost that bet, but I

1055
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 1: was on the right side.

1056
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: All the time. I'm like, I'm happy. I'm fine.

1057
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm not not happy, but I'm fine to lose that

1058
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: bet because I know I was.

1059
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: I handicapped it correct.

1060
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: Bad line was the pick Revenge Spot Extra Rest. They

1061
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: were the pick last week.

1062
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other thing that I do with

1063
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: gambling that I need to get over, but I just

1064
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I hold grudges. I love Survivor contests. I've never won one.

1065
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: I could probably buy like a BMW with every dollar

1066
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I've lost the Survivor over my career doing it, I

1067
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: could probably have a much nicer car.

1068
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: Than I do right now, or at least least one.

1069
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: But this year, me and a couple of buddies who

1070
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: gambled together, we did an entry in like a Super

1071
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: Survivor where it's it's a five thousand dollars entry into

1072
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: a Survivor Yeah, massive, massive, massive, massive size, like you know,

1073
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: literally seven figure payout type thing, not a ton of entrants.

1074
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: And so like me and a couple of guys, real

1075
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: sharp people, huge NFL guys, gamblers, money people, numbers all

1076
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: the thing, and I obviously have a percentage of it.

1077
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: And we got eliminated on the Falcons against the Panthers.

1078
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: This is taking Atlanta.

1079
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: This was earlier early in the year, before we knew

1080
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: that Carolina was actually legit this year. And Carolina won

1081
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: thirty to zero, and we're we're and we're on Atlanta,

1082
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I made a pledge, just like I'll

1083
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: never bet Atlanta the rest of the year.

1084
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: Like I won't do it. I'm like, I refuse.

1085
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: They haven't been in a show pick, they haven't been

1086
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: in other Survivor contests. I will bet against them, and

1087
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: then when I bet against them, they cover. I'm like,

1088
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons this year are my least favorite team

1089
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: in football by so far because of that Survivor pick.

1090
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: And I know that I shouldn't be admitting that bias,

1091
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I hold a grudge against you.

1092
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: This has been I don't like them. There's been a

1093
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: running joke in my show for years. They the Atlanta

1094
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: Falcons are an ATM machine, the opposite I only give

1095
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: money to it. It's they're the Bermuda Triangle.

1096
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 3: Of the irls.

1097
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, all I do is get audited and pay

1098
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: write checks. I don't think I could not tell you

1099
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: the last time I won on the Atlanta Falcons. They're

1100
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: the weirdest franchise in the league.

1101
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 3: Weird, it's just it's just it's insane.

1102
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: But then they go on Thursday and beat Baker Mayfield

1103
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: in Tampa.

1104
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course they did.

1105
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: And Kyle Pitts had the best game as a pro,

1106
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: best game, best game as a pro by far in

1107
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: Week one of the Fantasy Playoffs, three weeks before its

1108
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: contract time for Kyle Pitts like, well, what do you

1109
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: do with that? Because he looked he looked like a

1110
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: combination of like Ozzie Newsome and Tony Gonzalez, And he's like, oh, okay, well,

1111
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: I guess you're awesome, but maybe you're not.

1112
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: I have no idea what the hell's going on?

1113
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, all I will say, though Bijeon is great, Jean's

1114
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: not tough to scout. He is.

1115
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 3: He is Falcons proof. It's like, oh, that guy is

1116
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: one of the best players in the NFL.

1117
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: Like, I know, the NFL Top one hundred list is

1118
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: super flawed and biased and all that. I'm like, but

1119
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: that guy, if he showed up to the top ten

1120
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: on next year's list, I'd be like, yeah, I got

1121
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: no problem with it.

1122
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: He is.

1123
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a GM tell me it was. He

1124
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: said he's the cleanest running back he's taken since Ladanian Tomlinson.

1125
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: He said, doesn't fumble, great kid, great locker room, can catch,

1126
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: can block, can run. It seemed like he got into

1127
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: a pissing match with Arthur Smith his rookie year, like

1128
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: he just stopped using him. But no, it's yeah, Bjean's great.

1129
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: And for a long time there was don't take a

1130
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: running back in the first round, and there's been some misses.

1131
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: But Christian McCaffrey and Bijean and Saquon and Zeke, it's

1132
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: like this kid for Notre Dame, Jeremiah Love. Yeah, that

1133
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: he's that's a first round player.

1134
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I think think, like I think

1135
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: it's gone a little bit. The names that we just mentioned,

1136
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs, included like are our reasons to do it,

1137
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: but also like because the rookie, when you know it's

1138
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: not the number one pick, is not getting sixty million

1139
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: dollars anymore, like JaMarcus Russell, like it got slotted down

1140
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: that if it that any player who hits on a

1141
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: first round contract is a huge value. Now, a quarterback

1142
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: that hits is more valuable. A left tackle who hits

1143
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: is more valuable relative to like what they get paid.

1144
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: But it's you get the fifth year option on first

1145
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: round picks, and you don't want running backs in their

1146
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: late twenties early thirties traditionally some guys are starting to

1147
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: break that mold, but running backs a young man's game,

1148
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: so especially at the end of the first round when

1149
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: the contract's really cheap. Like we saw the Chiefs do

1150
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: it with Clyde Edwards Hilayer. It didn't work out, but

1151
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: I totally supported the logical. I think the Patriots did

1152
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: it with Sony Michelle one year. Again it didn't really

1153
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: work out, but like end of the first round, talented

1154
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: running back who you can execute the fifth year option

1155
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: on if he works out, and so you have him

1156
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: for his age like twenty three through twenty eight season.

1157
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: I actually think that's like a really sharp franchise move.

1158
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: To make I agree.

1159
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: Danny Parkins is always buddy, great chatting.

1160
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was fin Our Hours, fly by Man. We'll

1161
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 3: do it again.

1162
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: The volume