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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Truman Podcast. It's the off season,

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Speaker 1: which means news is flying every day, so we gotta

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Speaker 1: so much going on, Mitchell, thank god your Detroit Lions.

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Speaker 3: For James, I was gonna say, Man, I mean, right

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Speaker 3: in and you see Tyler Lockey gets cut. You see

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Speaker 3: This is the off season. News free flows throughout it,

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Speaker 3: big news is DK Metcalf allegedly wants out of town.

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Speaker 3: You know they have JSN there, They had Tyler Lockett

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Speaker 3: last year. It looked like a position of strength. But

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Speaker 3: now DK requested trade Richard. Where is your head at

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Speaker 3: with this? Because it seems like it's gonna release some ripples.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen it with other teams. Tyreek Hill

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna take it back a few layers. Peel

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Speaker 1: could see the focus was on JSN and getting him

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Speaker 2: To run the ball more, you want to feature JSN.

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Speaker 1: How now I'm in the prime of my career and

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Speaker 1: Guys hold in now, you know, showing up to training camp,

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Speaker 1: what's best for this organization, this team. Nobody's bigger than

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Speaker 1: a team. And then you trade him away and do

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Speaker 1: It seems like that will create distractions in the locker room,

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Speaker 1: Bote five number one receiver for you right now, and

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Speaker 1: people can argue maybe JSN is starting to transcend that,

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Speaker 3: Well that's just it. And we look at some comps.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's always a slippery slope, But

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Speaker 1: I think at most you get two thirds for him,

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Speaker 3: But if Seattle is able to swing a deal for

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Speaker 3: on to cut one of your very good friends. I

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Speaker 3: know you have a lot of respect for Tyler Lockett

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Speaker 2: Did you see this coming?

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Speaker 1: You know, I guess you see it coming eventually, especially

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Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter. You know about Seattle and they're great players,

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Speaker 1: You know, they always cut or trade. They're great players,

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Speaker 1: and this is just another example of that. It's unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: these other franchises have got away with guys playing twenty years,

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Speaker 1: to him. But unfortunately that's not the way it is

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Speaker 1: with a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for all the success that he had in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: I just wish, you know, they did better by their

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Speaker 2: Know, Bobby Wagner, what happened to him?

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Speaker 1: He comes, he gets shipped off, they don't resign him,

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Speaker 1: He goes somewhere else, has an all Pro Pro Bowl season,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's happened a lot of times, and

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Speaker 1: that's what's happened again right now. You know, with the

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sure if there was a chance at to reduce salary

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Speaker 1: But you know, something to be said when they don't

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Speaker 1: give him the opportunity to take a reduced salary and say,

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Speaker 1: hey man, just give me the veteran minimum, let me

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Speaker 1: him get beat out. You know, if it's obvious, hey

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Speaker 1: he's gotten beat out, like you don't have You don't

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Speaker 1: and if you trade DK, you're gonna be wishing you

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard, He's got the type of game that just

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Speaker 3: He's just a locker room guy that's in the right

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Speaker 3: He's a safety blanket, the ultimate safety blanket for the

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Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks offense. And it doesn't make a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of sense to me why you would move on off

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Speaker 3: also as a realtor in the Seattle market. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the guy is so involved in the community. You just

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Speaker 3: very interested and bring him in into his ball club

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's looking to build a culture there in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Would Tyler Locke could be that perfect partner out there

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be great on the Raiders side,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense for them. I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: would make sense for Tyler to do that, because you know,

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Speaker 1: he's at the end of his career. He wants to

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Speaker 1: you know, that's probably where you want him to look

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be bad. They had a winning season

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Speaker 1: They're pretty full over there, and he does a lot

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Speaker 1: that's what he's going to be looking for, an opportunity

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised the Dallas Cowboys called.

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Speaker 1: Him, and but again, ceedee Lamb is in a slot

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Speaker 1: Tyler Locke could help that team, He could help a

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Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know what it would take to

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Speaker 1: resigned by this franchise, you know. I mean, Bobby's been

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Speaker 2: And he's gotten cut before.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's hard for me to understand that,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't know what they

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Speaker 2: But it's a weird deal. It's a really weird deal.

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Speaker 1: Let's go on to Joey Bosa, you know, Nicholas John

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Speaker 2: I think there's a chance it happens. Now.

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Speaker 1: It has to make sense. Joey Bosa has been a

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Speaker 1: Obviously this would be incentive based deal, you know, because

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Speaker 2: And I think it'd make his brother really happy.

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Speaker 1: It's them trying to make a decision early. It hurts

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Speaker 1: But you can't keep him alling for that salary for

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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about another ed rusher, and that's Max Crosby.

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Speaker 3: He just signed a record deal three year, one hundred

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Speaker 2: It's great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's been a really great player in this

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Speaker 1: a stretch. Another person who just got paid Saquon Barkley,

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Speaker 1: except the you know, we were talking about running backs

435
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Speaker 1: not being important, running backs not getting the money they deserve,

436
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Speaker 1: and here comes Saquon Barkley getting twenty million dollars a

437
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Speaker 1: year extension from the Philadelphia Eagles. That's really great. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to him, Congratulations to the running back market. Hopefully this

439
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Speaker 1: pushes the rest of them forward. You could see James

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Speaker 1: Cook with the eyes looking at this deal, thinking he's

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Speaker 1: going to get something in that ballpark. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the Buffalo Bills will do that.

443
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Speaker 1: You know, I think it'll be seventeen sixteen, seventeen million dollars.

444
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Speaker 1: But still that's better than we were talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: last season, just last off season, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry getting what eight million dollars in Saquon getting

447
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Speaker 1: twelve and a half or whatever it was from the

448
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, and like man, like every other market is

449
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Speaker 1: going up substantially, and a running back market is twelve

450
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Speaker 1: and a half and so now it's starting to increase

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Speaker 1: at the pace that it needs to increase. And I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to see that. I'm happy for the running backs,

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Speaker 1: happy for Saquon and his family he deserves.

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Speaker 2: It's a good day to be a running back.

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Speaker 3: I will say that, I mean, does this how much

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Speaker 3: does this go on to affect the rest of the market,

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Speaker 3: because Saquon was so dominant, I mean, he was in

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Speaker 3: the MVP conversation. You don't see that very often at

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Speaker 3: that position. Kudos to the Philadelphia Eagles for taking care

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Speaker 3: of them. Another stray shot to the New York Giants

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Speaker 3: and their mismanagement of that situation. I mean, here's a

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Speaker 3: guy that deserved the money. He's still athletically in his prime,

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Speaker 3: and he's being taken care of by the franchise he's

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Speaker 3: playing with now after bringing home the Lombardi. How does

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Speaker 3: affect the rest of the market though, because do you

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Speaker 3: see a trend where we're going to see running backs

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Speaker 3: getting paid twenty million dollars plus going forward? I specifically

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Speaker 3: want to ask because we got some big names coming up.

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Speaker 3: Vijon Robinson. You know my guy here in Detroit, Jamiir Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: These guys are going to be up for extension here

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Speaker 3: in a couple of years and it could be a

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Speaker 3: position that they deserve to make twenty million dollars at

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Speaker 3: at that time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is This is the way of

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Speaker 1: the world, you know, this is capitalism. Everything goes up.

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Speaker 1: I think the receiver market is going to go stagnant

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Speaker 1: at some point because they have grown too much over

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Speaker 1: the years for the amount of impact they have. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's happened because of how much TV time

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Speaker 1: they get to, all the dances, all the TikTok all

481
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Speaker 1: the viral moments, which is great. But I think that

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Speaker 1: will come down to earth and it'll bring back up

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Speaker 1: the rest of the market.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think the corners will catch up, the tackles will

486
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Speaker 1: catch up, the dns will catch up. Because it used

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Speaker 1: to be a time where DNS receivers owners used to

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Speaker 1: you know, it used to all be pretty evened out.

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Speaker 1: You know, you catch one guy getting the high, then

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Speaker 1: the receiver's.

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Speaker 2: Got the high.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in terms of non quarterbacks, it used

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Speaker 1: to be a number of different positions. Now the receivers

494
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Speaker 1: have a jump, leaps and bounds above everybody. And now

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby obviously caught up with the thirty five and

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Speaker 1: a half. But I think that the running back this

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Speaker 1: is the natural trajectory of the running back market. Everything

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Speaker 1: else was going like this, and the running back market

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Speaker 1: wasn't growing as the salary cap was, and I think

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Speaker 1: this was a natural correction. I don't know if many

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Speaker 1: running backs can ask for what sa Kwon did because

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Speaker 1: he had once in a lifetime kind of season, but

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Speaker 1: I think seventeen eighteen million dollars for those running backs

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Speaker 1: is going to be a reasonable ask and a reasonable

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Speaker 1: number that they'll receive.

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Speaker 3: Let's turn our attention to the Chicago Bears. They've made

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Speaker 3: a couple of big moves in the trenches here this week. Richard,

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Speaker 3: You've always emphasized strength in the trenches, and Ben Johnson

509
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Speaker 3: came from the Detroit Lions organization that was known for

510
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Speaker 3: having a top five offensive line for the last few years,

511
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Speaker 3: and you can see he's making this a point of

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Speaker 3: emphasis there in Chicago. Trying to protect Caleb Williams, they

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Speaker 3: go out and trade for Jonah Jackson, who was a

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Speaker 3: starter for the Detroit Lions for a number of years

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Speaker 3: before signing with the Rams last offseason. He's familiar with

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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson and his scheme. And then they go out

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Speaker 3: and get Joe Thuney from from the Kansas City Chiefs, who, frankly,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even know he was available. You know, I

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Speaker 3: thought he was going to be a stalwart on that

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Speaker 3: old line for the Chiefs for the next few years

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Speaker 3: to come. They go out and trade Kansas City a

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Speaker 3: fourth round pick for him. What do you make of

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Speaker 3: these upgrades to the old line for Ben Johnson? Do

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Speaker 3: you expect Caleb Williams to have, you know, the year

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Speaker 3: he should have here in his sophomore season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I expect him to be setting up right a

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Speaker 2: lot more.

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Speaker 1: Joe Tony did a heck of a job for the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, moved out to tackle late in the

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Speaker 1: season through the playoffs, did an excellent job at that

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Speaker 1: after having an all Pro season at left guard. I think,

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Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be really great for Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: I think the interior offensive line is important, you know,

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Speaker 1: allowing him to feel comfortable and take his drop and

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Speaker 1: be able to step up and feel comfortable. I think

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Speaker 1: this is a great job out of Chicago Bears. This

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Speaker 1: is what they should have done last year when you

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Speaker 1: when you first get this quarterback, but you know better

539
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Speaker 1: late than never. And I think they're going to continue

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Speaker 1: to strengthen this offensive line, strengthen that defense, and and

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Speaker 1: really really take a leap next year. I think into

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Speaker 1: being into at least a playoff team with these moves.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Ben Johnson is is gonna study

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and what he does well this offseason and

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Speaker 1: give him an opportunity to do the things he does

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Speaker 1: well consistently. He's gonna support him with a great run game.

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Speaker 1: They have really good receiving, core dynamic, three different dynamic receivers.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a fun year to be a Chicago

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Speaker 1: Bears fan.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to say Ben Johnson's going to

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Speaker 3: bring some new energy in the building there. We've seen

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Speaker 3: him a little bit catch some headlines. He called out

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Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur in his introductory press conference that he can't

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Speaker 3: wait to be in the same division again as he

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Speaker 3: was in Detroit because he specifically wants to beat Matt

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Speaker 3: Lafleur twice a season.

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Speaker 2: And then we see him.

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Speaker 3: At the combine talking about how this is the first

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Speaker 3: time that he's going to have a mobile quarterback and

560
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Speaker 3: almost you know, and then Jered Golf catches astray. What

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Speaker 3: do you make of some of these comments that Ben

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Speaker 3: Johnson has made? Is it is it something as as

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Speaker 3: a team, you know, if you're playing under this guy,

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Speaker 3: are you applauding this or is it something that it's

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Speaker 3: negative attention that you want away from your organization.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's too early to know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you got to wait and see it's I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's too negative attention. You know, there's rivalries

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Speaker 1: in NFL that you know. I mean, I'm okay with

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a stirring the pot. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: look at you talking to Man so well, starting the

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Speaker 1: pot is okay with me. If you want to stirn

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Speaker 1: the pot and you want to bring back the rivalries

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Speaker 1: and you want the coach to be part of the rivalry, okay,

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. But players got to back it up.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think any player in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League is afraid of a challenge. And you know, afraid,

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Speaker 1: oh man, don't don't don't don't say too much, coach.

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Speaker 1: We don't want him to be upset. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna run into a locker room and find a

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Speaker 1: guy like that. If you do, he's getting run out

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Speaker 1: of that locker room very sooner and he won't be

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Speaker 1: putting pats on for much longer.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's fine.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if Jared catching strays is

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Speaker 1: the best, but I don't know if he sees it

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Speaker 1: as him catching straights because he's not mobile. Jared Golf,

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Speaker 1: Jared Golf couldn't Jared Golf A he not running Metell.

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Speaker 1: He's not Jared Golf is executing from that pocket. Anything

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Speaker 1: outside of that is is is extra, you know, icing

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Speaker 1: on the cake. And I think, you know, be careful

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Speaker 1: what you wish for. Because mobile quarterbacks, there's there's positives

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Speaker 1: and negative to everything. You know, there's positives to a

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Speaker 1: pocket pass or quick decision maker, and there's positive to

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Speaker 1: a to a guy who's mobile and can get out

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Speaker 1: of the pocket and get out of arm's way. But

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Speaker 1: there are also other things you're gonna have to coach.

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Speaker 1: Once you get out of the pocket and decision thrown

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Speaker 1: across your body, certain mistakes that are made that he

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Speaker 1: may not have run into, so be careful what you

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Speaker 1: wish for. I think Kayleb Williams is going to be

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Speaker 1: a good quarterback in this league, but there's other factors

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Speaker 1: associated to mobile quarterbacks that Ben Johnson has not had

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Speaker 1: to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is our second podcast of the offseason. I

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Speaker 3: know we got more to come. Free agency starts next week.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a very active week.

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Speaker 2: Richard.

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Speaker 3: We will have another one next week. I'm sure I

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Speaker 3: will let you sign us off.

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Speaker 2: My friend.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you guys again for joining us. We're trying

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Speaker 1: to make this one quicker than the last one, trying

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Speaker 1: to keep up with all the news that's going on

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Speaker 1: out there. We appreciate you joining us, appreciate you sticking

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Speaker 1: with us. You could be anywhere in the world, but

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Speaker 1: you're here with us, and we sure sure do appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Have a beautiful, blessed day. The volume